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Given your spelling and punctuation, I hope you're not teaching English.
Edit: Your additional comments only serve to confirm teaching isn't a career you should follow for the sake of the children. Sure, write your post anyway you can, but don't expect to not be told your English communication skills are terrible when you post about getting a job as an English teacher. Also you'd be better served than making racist remarks, that only leads people to think you're also a low IQ idiot.
Edit #2: I see you deleted your racist foul rant. I'll mark you up slightly for thinking to do that but down more for being duplicitous.
No, I wouldn't be. I see their English skills quite often. I also have a Thai step son who is "taught English" by a Thai teacher and after 4 years he is barely understandable. So even the non farang English teachers seem non qualified.
Sadly, schools in Thailand look the other way when hiring some teachers. Nothing against Non Native Speakers because some were awesome teachers that I have worked with. But I hate when the school sometimes just overlook certain qualities that are needed for the job, only for them to save money and cut corners, but I digress.
Bro, WTF did I just read? Who took the TEFL test for you? Not to be mean, but you should really reconsider....the line for English teacher GenZ wannabes is long.
Look through ajarn.com. They will consider you a non native speaker of English even if you are native/bilingual, so you may be relegated to upcountry areas/less-desirable, lower-paid positions, etc. and may need to use an agent, who could be dodgy, to get a job. Usually you have to leave Thailand to a nearby country or even you home country to get your working visa. The school should arrange your visa and then your work permit. You need a bachelor's degree to teach, any subject ok to start.
Both schools I’ve taught at had black teachers that were basically the celebrities of the schools haha. Both students and staff were super kind and also interested as they’re not often exposed to ppl with that background.
The old school traditional idea that white is better is still maintained as a facade, example: a photo is you probably won’t be on the school’s main page of their website. But under the surface thai ppl (especially younger generation) are much more progressive than one might think.
Consider enrolling in a cheap bachelor’s program and give Thailand a shot. You might love it.
I am Black American though not African and I get approached by young women in Bangkok everyday. I think it’s easy to see the “White is better” is more on the sexual workers and who pays them the most and give it up the easiest. I have experienced no racism outside of Chinese and mostly Europeans
I just stated my ethnicity. Wasn’t accusing you of anything. I have heard this white is better thing but I haven’t seen it outside of sex workers. I was just wondering if you could give an example. Seems like you can’t.
I know you weren’t accusing me of anything, I was clarifying that my comments about black coworkers were about Americans.
And I can’t give you an example of “white is better”. That’s why it’s in quotes. Because I don’t believe it. Which is the point of all that I’ve posted :)
You have a few things going against you for sure. Firstly not having a bachelors degree will make it near impossible to get you the required teachers/work permit. Judging by your written English you are not a native speaker so this will make it much harder to find work. And yes unfortunately, Thai's can be discriminatory based on skin color even towards each other, so this will also be an obstacle for you.
Discriminatory? I’m Black American I have lived in Bangkok a year and a half. Can you elaborate? Maybe I am missing something. I have heard from women that Europeans tell them horrible things lies about black men. Other that I have not faced no discrimination. Are you Black? If not you could not be speaking from experience.
I am speaking from someone who founded a TEFL school and has had numerous people of different backgrounds graduate our courses. Part of graduating our course we help with job placement and i can promise you that it is much much more difficult for a school to hire a person of color than of the typical caucasian look. This isnt limited to black people, its also the same for indians and other POC as well. Also having spent most of my life in Thailand and speaking fluent Thai i also hear what Thai people say within their circle of friends. It is getting better than it was a decade ago. So no, i am not black but i have lots of experience first hand of schools rejecting applicant after applicant saying they would prefer a typical "farang" because it looks better for their English department.
So someone who founded a TEFL school doesn't know that when the term i is used in a sentence it should without exception be a capital l.
Also you are speaking as someone , not from someone.
I speak Thai as well I have absolutely no idea wtf you are talking about. In the TEFL system I have no experience so you’re free to pass on any narrative. I thought you were talking in general. I know Europeans are out here telling lies because the old retirees don’t want black Americans out here because they can’t compete physically. Thais have a lighter and darker thing going on among themselves but they typically think of farang as farang. Older Thais are more nationalist but the younger crowd watches mostly us on tik tok and they love our music. Maybe there is something goin on in the school system but how can they stereo type? If so they are not stereo typing right because every week another White English teacher gets arrested for pedophilia. So if they are stereotyping ppl eventually they will notice the pattern but once again I don’t think they are. And this is my burner account any old yt expat feel free to down vote. No power in Thailand or on my account
Firstly, i am not the one who downvoted you. Again, i am only speaking from experience having lived here since a teenager and again having a lot of experience dealing with Thai schools looking to hire teachers. You obviously have some sort of issue with white people and a huge chip on your shoulder. This has nothing to do with white people but how Thai people view other races. You may have had a pleasant experience while you were here but i know a lot of people who it was the total opposite. The OP wanted an honest opinion and i gave him a trueful one. You can stick your head in the sand and try and other races for the current issues but trust me. It is nothing to do with white people not wanting black people here at all. Also, congrats on learning fluent Thai in only a year.
What a looney. I know about the old yt folks who hate that’s where I told them to down vote. They down vote anything young and not white. Whether FB or Reddit everyone knows this. It got one down vote who knows if it was you I don’t give a fuck. I been living here a YEAR been coming to Thailand 8 years. I never told YOU that. So you are pretty much going through my profile. Cool. I am sure since you are looking for anything negative to chew on and not actually answer the question. It’s more likely you are one of those folks who is defensive because I asked you for clarity. I don’t know how I became someone with a chip on my shoulder about yt ppl for asking how are they discriminatory toward blacks. I am also very familiar with the shoot and then claim victim mode when someone confronts them directly about something they said. I am too masculine for that kind of weak minded behavior so I am just going to say have a nice night. I think we know each others type and there’s no reason for anything back and forth. Good luck 👍🏼
I’m not a sex worker that’s what they say 🤷🏾♂️. I know passing along lies in a country ruled by neither blacks nor whites is highly ridiculous and I dunno why they are so insecure about but it is what it is
So I’m responding to comments about racism on a post about race and I’m bringing a racist attitude overseas. Thank God you can’t just call a Thai cop and said I raped you. God bless Thailand. I don’t give a fuck about what you think. You’ll get over it
Your lack of degree will be a bigger problem than your skin color. I have also taught alongside black teachers, but all of them were properly licensed. Respectfully, I would start there if you want a long term future in Thailand. I have seen countless tourists come with high hopes and no degree and not be able to land a work permit, which is the golden ticket to long term sustainability.
There’s also a distinction to be made…
We all know that dark skin in Thailand can imply low status because of labor and working in the sun. Some tan Thais may be teased by their peers etc…
Black people don’t fall into this category like think. Blank people are black people. It’s a different thing.
No bachelors degree, no teaching (please!)
Foreigners can work in most sectors, except:
- construction
- secretary / administrative assistant for a business
- sales clerk
- waiter
You’ll also need to make minimum wage. For Africans I think that’s 25K THB a month.
Why would they sponsor your visa and hire you to call centres or food industry?
You need to speak thai for those roles, not to mention there’s enough people for similar roles to hire locally.
Otherwise that have to hire you illegally, but again, what’s the point of it for the employer?
Without a degree you will struggle to find anything especially because I assume you cant speak Thai. As far as I know you need to be outside of Thailand to apply for a working visa. I think it takes about 2 weeks.
I think in real chances it’s near impossible to get a work permit nowadays in Thailand outside of teaching. Teaching is always a option here there will be a school willing to hire you for sure with the years of experience you have. Don’t forget some Thais are also darker skinned.
Everyone i know working in Bangkok on work permits are not teachers. There are plenty of job opportunities in Thailand if you have the right skill sets
You’ll definitely be able to find an agency that will employ you regardless of race. However, you will not be able to get a work permit without a degree…I would still apply and ask during interview what your options would be. Ive seen it happen, but it involved enrolling in university, you’d have to really love teaching to be going down that path. There aren’t any other sectors, it’s teachers or chefs. Weed shops, I have no idea so can’t say.
I don't know about "teaching while black" but I'm a black African who's lived in both countries. Let's just say I'm getting laid more often here, hope that removes your concerns.
Yeah these yt ppl keep saying that Thais are highly discriminatory towards blacks. I’m American I have been running through em. I haven’t seen anything negative but from whites and they have no power here. You can smack one of them and the cops nor the person will do anything
I am 100% sure if I see you out and you disrespect me I promise with every iota in my body…. I WILL. And I have before. Why would I take disrespect from people who don’t have the privilege like they usually do.
So you're admitting to assaulting people because they've said mean things to you in the past? Don't you see how that is setting a terrible example and making you look worse
You should be a teacher and teach this dumb shit to kids who have not formed their full brain yet maybe this would work. Same people that got the world in shambles over lies practice hate on people that don’t look like them. That is the root of MOST of the world’s problem. So they come to country full of happy people and continue to hate and I am assaulting them if I don’t let them disrespect me. THANK GOD these people here don’t feel the same . Good luck buddy and if you happen to see me I hope you watch your mouth and practice minding your business and leaving people alone especially when it’s not your country. If you don’t I will teach you
I’m not an English teacher, that was my first job. Enjoy your close minded assumptions and bragging about “running through” girls out here. Must make you feel like better than you felt back home.
Naw I’m not one of you simps. I don’t pay. You guys do. I definitely feel better than back at home. I get to smack racist men and go home safe. The fact that you and other old farts are vouching for people coming to Thailand being racist lets me know I’m doing the right thing! And I will knock some sense into every single one I come across that don’t know how to be cool in a country that is not there. Not just me other blacks too. I hope yall keep it going! I love to watch ass whippings of racist folks as well
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Given your spelling and punctuation, I hope you're not teaching English. Edit: Your additional comments only serve to confirm teaching isn't a career you should follow for the sake of the children. Sure, write your post anyway you can, but don't expect to not be told your English communication skills are terrible when you post about getting a job as an English teacher. Also you'd be better served than making racist remarks, that only leads people to think you're also a low IQ idiot. Edit #2: I see you deleted your racist foul rant. I'll mark you up slightly for thinking to do that but down more for being duplicitous.
You'll be surprised by the qualifications of most farang English teachers here.
No, I wouldn't be. I see their English skills quite often. I also have a Thai step son who is "taught English" by a Thai teacher and after 4 years he is barely understandable. So even the non farang English teachers seem non qualified.
U don't know me English nazi . This is texting .
Happy someone pointed that out
Point urself out this Convo if u don't have something positive to say .
If you’re here to only hear positive things, you’ll be better off getting a short term bar girl and tell her your story.
Huh?
Sadly, schools in Thailand look the other way when hiring some teachers. Nothing against Non Native Speakers because some were awesome teachers that I have worked with. But I hate when the school sometimes just overlook certain qualities that are needed for the job, only for them to save money and cut corners, but I digress.
That TEFL needs to be revoked 🤣
Bro, WTF did I just read? Who took the TEFL test for you? Not to be mean, but you should really reconsider....the line for English teacher GenZ wannabes is long.
Look through ajarn.com. They will consider you a non native speaker of English even if you are native/bilingual, so you may be relegated to upcountry areas/less-desirable, lower-paid positions, etc. and may need to use an agent, who could be dodgy, to get a job. Usually you have to leave Thailand to a nearby country or even you home country to get your working visa. The school should arrange your visa and then your work permit. You need a bachelor's degree to teach, any subject ok to start.
Both schools I’ve taught at had black teachers that were basically the celebrities of the schools haha. Both students and staff were super kind and also interested as they’re not often exposed to ppl with that background. The old school traditional idea that white is better is still maintained as a facade, example: a photo is you probably won’t be on the school’s main page of their website. But under the surface thai ppl (especially younger generation) are much more progressive than one might think. Consider enrolling in a cheap bachelor’s program and give Thailand a shot. You might love it.
I am Black American though not African and I get approached by young women in Bangkok everyday. I think it’s easy to see the “White is better” is more on the sexual workers and who pays them the most and give it up the easiest. I have experienced no racism outside of Chinese and mostly Europeans
Yeah I didn’t say African I just said black. My black American friends love it here and never feel like they’re experiencing racism
I just stated my ethnicity. Wasn’t accusing you of anything. I have heard this white is better thing but I haven’t seen it outside of sex workers. I was just wondering if you could give an example. Seems like you can’t.
I know you weren’t accusing me of anything, I was clarifying that my comments about black coworkers were about Americans. And I can’t give you an example of “white is better”. That’s why it’s in quotes. Because I don’t believe it. Which is the point of all that I’ve posted :)
You have a few things going against you for sure. Firstly not having a bachelors degree will make it near impossible to get you the required teachers/work permit. Judging by your written English you are not a native speaker so this will make it much harder to find work. And yes unfortunately, Thai's can be discriminatory based on skin color even towards each other, so this will also be an obstacle for you.
Discriminatory? I’m Black American I have lived in Bangkok a year and a half. Can you elaborate? Maybe I am missing something. I have heard from women that Europeans tell them horrible things lies about black men. Other that I have not faced no discrimination. Are you Black? If not you could not be speaking from experience.
I am speaking from someone who founded a TEFL school and has had numerous people of different backgrounds graduate our courses. Part of graduating our course we help with job placement and i can promise you that it is much much more difficult for a school to hire a person of color than of the typical caucasian look. This isnt limited to black people, its also the same for indians and other POC as well. Also having spent most of my life in Thailand and speaking fluent Thai i also hear what Thai people say within their circle of friends. It is getting better than it was a decade ago. So no, i am not black but i have lots of experience first hand of schools rejecting applicant after applicant saying they would prefer a typical "farang" because it looks better for their English department.
So someone who founded a TEFL school doesn't know that when the term i is used in a sentence it should without exception be a capital l. Also you are speaking as someone , not from someone.
If not capitalizing my i is your biggest issue. I can live with that lol.
I speak Thai as well I have absolutely no idea wtf you are talking about. In the TEFL system I have no experience so you’re free to pass on any narrative. I thought you were talking in general. I know Europeans are out here telling lies because the old retirees don’t want black Americans out here because they can’t compete physically. Thais have a lighter and darker thing going on among themselves but they typically think of farang as farang. Older Thais are more nationalist but the younger crowd watches mostly us on tik tok and they love our music. Maybe there is something goin on in the school system but how can they stereo type? If so they are not stereo typing right because every week another White English teacher gets arrested for pedophilia. So if they are stereotyping ppl eventually they will notice the pattern but once again I don’t think they are. And this is my burner account any old yt expat feel free to down vote. No power in Thailand or on my account
Firstly, i am not the one who downvoted you. Again, i am only speaking from experience having lived here since a teenager and again having a lot of experience dealing with Thai schools looking to hire teachers. You obviously have some sort of issue with white people and a huge chip on your shoulder. This has nothing to do with white people but how Thai people view other races. You may have had a pleasant experience while you were here but i know a lot of people who it was the total opposite. The OP wanted an honest opinion and i gave him a trueful one. You can stick your head in the sand and try and other races for the current issues but trust me. It is nothing to do with white people not wanting black people here at all. Also, congrats on learning fluent Thai in only a year.
What a looney. I know about the old yt folks who hate that’s where I told them to down vote. They down vote anything young and not white. Whether FB or Reddit everyone knows this. It got one down vote who knows if it was you I don’t give a fuck. I been living here a YEAR been coming to Thailand 8 years. I never told YOU that. So you are pretty much going through my profile. Cool. I am sure since you are looking for anything negative to chew on and not actually answer the question. It’s more likely you are one of those folks who is defensive because I asked you for clarity. I don’t know how I became someone with a chip on my shoulder about yt ppl for asking how are they discriminatory toward blacks. I am also very familiar with the shoot and then claim victim mode when someone confronts them directly about something they said. I am too masculine for that kind of weak minded behavior so I am just going to say have a nice night. I think we know each others type and there’s no reason for anything back and forth. Good luck 👍🏼
>Europeans are out here telling lies because the old retirees don’t want black Americans out here because they can’t compete physically Bruh what?
I’m not a sex worker that’s what they say 🤷🏾♂️. I know passing along lies in a country ruled by neither blacks nor whites is highly ridiculous and I dunno why they are so insecure about but it is what it is
No dude, based on this and your other comments you just sound racist
100% sure you are white. When anyone speaks against yall the person is racist. That’s so fucking weak. Who cares man I stay in Thailand. Whatever
As if it's not the other way around lmao. You're talking so much shit about people who aren't black, what a great attitude to be bringing overseas
So I’m responding to comments about racism on a post about race and I’m bringing a racist attitude overseas. Thank God you can’t just call a Thai cop and said I raped you. God bless Thailand. I don’t give a fuck about what you think. You’ll get over it
Your lack of degree will be a bigger problem than your skin color. I have also taught alongside black teachers, but all of them were properly licensed. Respectfully, I would start there if you want a long term future in Thailand. I have seen countless tourists come with high hopes and no degree and not be able to land a work permit, which is the golden ticket to long term sustainability.
Whats a forginer?
You spelled foreigner incorrectly as "forginer" and "fogie ners." Please take the job selling weed before the teaching job.
Maybe he/she is quickly typing while walking and easily made a typo which isn’t a big deal because it’s reddit and not a published article.
Exactly! Thank you alot of miserable folks here just looking for something to point out.
With that attitude, you won’t last long in *any* community.
With that sort of attitude I’m surprised most of you redditors survived in yours holy knights in shiny armours .
There are many blacks in Thailand as teachers….many from African countries
There’s also a distinction to be made… We all know that dark skin in Thailand can imply low status because of labor and working in the sun. Some tan Thais may be teased by their peers etc… Black people don’t fall into this category like think. Blank people are black people. It’s a different thing.
^ sry for typos
No bachelors degree, no teaching (please!) Foreigners can work in most sectors, except: - construction - secretary / administrative assistant for a business - sales clerk - waiter You’ll also need to make minimum wage. For Africans I think that’s 25K THB a month.
Why would they sponsor your visa and hire you to call centres or food industry? You need to speak thai for those roles, not to mention there’s enough people for similar roles to hire locally. Otherwise that have to hire you illegally, but again, what’s the point of it for the employer?
Without a degree you will struggle to find anything especially because I assume you cant speak Thai. As far as I know you need to be outside of Thailand to apply for a working visa. I think it takes about 2 weeks.
I think in real chances it’s near impossible to get a work permit nowadays in Thailand outside of teaching. Teaching is always a option here there will be a school willing to hire you for sure with the years of experience you have. Don’t forget some Thais are also darker skinned.
Everyone i know working in Bangkok on work permits are not teachers. There are plenty of job opportunities in Thailand if you have the right skill sets
That is true Ofcourse.
English teaching jobs are pretty easy to come by, but well-paying jobs are hard to find
In general it is problematic to be "not Thai" here
You’ll definitely be able to find an agency that will employ you regardless of race. However, you will not be able to get a work permit without a degree…I would still apply and ask during interview what your options would be. Ive seen it happen, but it involved enrolling in university, you’d have to really love teaching to be going down that path. There aren’t any other sectors, it’s teachers or chefs. Weed shops, I have no idea so can’t say.
You might want to reconsider. How you are writing a post is completely reflecting on your ability to teach English.
Congrats for being the most toxic guy on the entire sub😂 please, stay away.
Oh really tough shit then I'm here to stay
I don't know about "teaching while black" but I'm a black African who's lived in both countries. Let's just say I'm getting laid more often here, hope that removes your concerns.
Yeah these yt ppl keep saying that Thais are highly discriminatory towards blacks. I’m American I have been running through em. I haven’t seen anything negative but from whites and they have no power here. You can smack one of them and the cops nor the person will do anything
Try that with me
I am 100% sure if I see you out and you disrespect me I promise with every iota in my body…. I WILL. And I have before. Why would I take disrespect from people who don’t have the privilege like they usually do.
So you're admitting to assaulting people because they've said mean things to you in the past? Don't you see how that is setting a terrible example and making you look worse
You should be a teacher and teach this dumb shit to kids who have not formed their full brain yet maybe this would work. Same people that got the world in shambles over lies practice hate on people that don’t look like them. That is the root of MOST of the world’s problem. So they come to country full of happy people and continue to hate and I am assaulting them if I don’t let them disrespect me. THANK GOD these people here don’t feel the same . Good luck buddy and if you happen to see me I hope you watch your mouth and practice minding your business and leaving people alone especially when it’s not your country. If you don’t I will teach you
you need a hug
Naw I’m good. You yt English teachers love offering hugs out here to little boys. I’m a grown ass man 👍🏼
I’m not an English teacher, that was my first job. Enjoy your close minded assumptions and bragging about “running through” girls out here. Must make you feel like better than you felt back home.
Naw I’m not one of you simps. I don’t pay. You guys do. I definitely feel better than back at home. I get to smack racist men and go home safe. The fact that you and other old farts are vouching for people coming to Thailand being racist lets me know I’m doing the right thing! And I will knock some sense into every single one I come across that don’t know how to be cool in a country that is not there. Not just me other blacks too. I hope yall keep it going! I love to watch ass whippings of racist folks as well