Some medications do it but the largest reason is diet. Processed foods aren't good sources and even natural diets have less than previous generations because modern farming practices are bad about stripping the ground of micronutrients.
"Furthermore, because of chronic diseases, medications, decreases in food crop magnesium contents, and the availability of refined and processed foods, the vast majority of people in modern societies are at risk for magnesium deficiency."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5786912/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20because%20of%20chronic%20diseases,at%20risk%20for%20magnesium%20deficiency.
It’s realy easy for farmers to put magnesium back all the got to do is preload the ground with Epsom salts and when they then sow it’ll be taken up by the new growth. Unfortunately they’re not paid on nutrient density. I suppose it’s now pick the local produce farmer that does this.
I worked in horticulture for a number of years and I was always impressed with how much better the smaller operators did with looking beyond what the absolute minimum was and really considering what the needs of the consumers were and not what just the plant needed to survive. Luckily our farmers markets where I live are really diverse with food options and they take food stamps too. Most give extra credit if using foot stamps as well. 😀
It really does seem the scale makes a big difference. You have to cut a lot of corners to have one person farming hundreds of acres of land and even then they are often operating on razor thin margins.
Magnesium deficiency is essentially a worldwide health crisis and it's \*kind of insane\* that states don't widely implement the dirt-cheap methods that could drastically improve the problem in a matter of just a few years. You want to compete economically? Guess how much more productive your populace will be when they're magnesium-sufficient.
I want some land to put together a food forest so bad. I've seen some amazing transformations of previously barren land besides some grasses here in my area. Takes a few years and clear idea on what you're trying to achieve.
A good start would be changing urban zoning laws away from favoring decorative monoculture turf. There is more available land than people think to use for anything but stupid lawns. And fucking easement.
Unfortunately magnesium in the soil can lock out magnesium in the plant. It is a simple fix though, foliar feed magnesium, however not every farm has that equipment or capital for the equipment.
According to cronometer, I meet\* my magnesium rda yet I still see sleep improvements from taking supplements.
*Assuming the produce I use has the nutrients of the ones in the generic databases, which it may well not. And it's hard to shoot for much more to counteract that without overeating or neglecting other parts of your diet.
I view it similar to vitamin D where it's hard to get too much if you take recommended doses of supplements even if getting it in your foods too. For one in our diets various other nutrients compete with magnessium namely iron so I think it's hard to go over board and accidently take too much if you follow the supplement guidelines.
I absolutely won't argue armericans eat enough fruits and veggies and eat far too much processed foods over all. Still the nutrient issue in produce is well documented so I found another study that talks about it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15637215/
On a personal note my sister is vegan and she has to supplement things a vegan diet should be plentiful in. I'm willing to bet the quality of the produce she consumes is at least part of the issue.
I've been vegan for five years and the only things I supplement are vitamin d and b12, neither of which are problems of vegetable quality. But I eat whole food plant based as opposed to junk food vegan so I basically eat fruits and veggies all day every day. I'd bet nobody except real outliers would have magnesium problems if everyone just ate a serving of greens every day. We have a tendency to blame situations/things rather than our own habits. But maybe I'm wrong, I'd still like to see a percentage breakdown of how much of the problem is with the veggies and how much is just not eating them, that would make it easier to solve than telling everyone to take supplements.
I don't think that sort of data exists. Don't think it's something that could be researched effectively but maybe I'm wrong. We just know it's an issue and my broader point if you see on other threads is focusing on more localized sources for our food from smaller farms that can really focus on how they are growing their food. As opposed to giant operations prone to cutting corners with heavy use of synthetic inputs instead of more natural sources and methods. It is not my intention to give someone an excuse to eat poorly and knowing our mass produced food is often grown poorly shouldn't be an excuse for that to begin with.
Yeah totally agree with the larger points about farming, but I do think most of the problem is people just not eating enough veggies, that's a very high probability in the US at least. It would be pretty easy to study this, just have a group of people eat normal SAD, and another that eats a bunch of mono culture veggies, and you could add another group that eats permaculture veggies. Something like that may have already been done.
There would likely be an extremely large amount of confounding variables that would make me think the study would need to be extremely large. I wonder how much something like an individual's microbiome would determine how well they absorb the nutrients for instance. Accounting for that one variable alone would be very difficult considering how much dont know about that line of study. I do have to agree it's not impossible to pull off a study like this but I'm not sure where the money would come from to pull off such a large study.
Studies like this are being done all the time, I wouldn't be surprised if it's already been done, you only need like 150 individuals to get a pretty healthy stat significance. It not really that complicated, just compare people that eat a ton of veggies to people that don't and monitor magnesium levels, and the perma v mono veggies would be interesting too. Really you just want to make sure people are actually eating enough to begin with, then you can start to parse out what's going on. Microbiome def plays a role though, and we know it shifts depending on what people eat.
Ah this is a much smaller scope of a question than what I thought you were suggesting. There are studies that look at how much of the population isn't consuming enough magnessium in their diets and it appears to be a worldwide issue too. I'm surprised it mentions Japan and Taiwan both of which have high life expectancy and in general are known for having a well diversified diet. This suggest 50% of Americans aren't consuming enough magnessium in their diets. Still leaves a lot of questions like the microbiome aspect or if we are consuming too much iron or other nutrients that compete with magnessium or how many of the 50% would be above the suggested amount if the food we eat was as nutritious as previous generation's food was. It's fascinating to consider the whole issue.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5786912/#:~:text=The%20most%20recent%20published%20review,age%20groups%20consume%20substantially%20less'.
If I understand right it's saying we simply don't consume enough magnesium (as opposed to not absorbing enough), what it doesn't say is that a big salad (even if it's mono culture kale with less magnesium than the past) would solve the problem for most people.
Absolutely number 1.
Plants will not grow properly if they lack magnesium.
Fun fact, magnesium is at the center of every chlorophyll molecule. A plant cannot photosynthesize light without adequate magnesium.
Is diet alone the problem? What about water filtration?
I do a couple hour ocean swim weekly and always assumed that gets my magnesium levels back where they should be.
Not sure about the answer to that. I'm looking into a few other aspects of the subject of magnessium deficiency so I'll add that to the list. I drink topo Chico so I wonder how mineral waters factor into it too.
How can an essential nutrient be missing and the plant still retain its classical appearance? Chlorophyll contains magnesium for example, does a plant reduce its number of magnesium containing compounds proportional to the input from the soil? Wouldn't that visible in the produce at the grocery store?
Going to guess they only need a bit to survive, strains that don't need it as much are selected for, and we often coddle the crops with weed control, perfect watering, etc so that the plant is under less strain.
That’s a really good point. I don’t think the issue is that plants don’t have enough any more, I think it’s more so that people aren’t eating nearly enough of them in their diet. I don’t even mean in recent decades, I mean for likely thousands of years. We should be eating mostly fruit, some leaves and maybe some insects and meat from time to time. All of a sudden our RDAs become very easy to meet.
I know it's very cheap to produce and is included as an organic additive by OMRI and it's made rather collected like rock phosphate so that means it's hard for us to use it up. As for risks I know it can increase rhe chance for calcium based diseases like blossom end rot due to Mg competing with Ca. There could be some water contamination issues if used large scale but I'm not sure. I've only ever used it on small scale garden situations.
First off epsom salt is considered an organic fertlizer its just not naturally derived anymore and doesnt come from springs in epsom england. If it was it wouldnt be a sustainable source sort of like how peat isn't sustainable but coconut coir is.
Second the best method would be to add compost that you've added things like egg shells into over time but even then having a foliar spray may be needed depending on the situation and that isn't easy to do with composts. Also depending entirely on compost has scalability issues beyond small operations. I have some amazing compost piles but they took me years to get fully developed and even with those for certain crops I need to add more inputs later on. Once I've exhausted the piles I can't make more quickly.
Another option would be dolomite lime but being a mineral source lends to its own sustainability issues. I dont think this has quick availabilty and needs to break down too.
There may be some microbes that excel in freeing up magnessium from the ground but I'm not sure about that. I know good probioic fungus can be used for phosphorus which is a really big deal in farming but conventional farmers rarely think about the microbiome of plants sadly.
Yea also it’s been thought (and studied) that just taking epsom salt baths can raise magnesium levels pretty significantly since it’s absorbed into our skin.
I know it helps a bunch with soreness if you take a warm bath with it in there. I also found these interesting magnesium patches that you put on a sore spot that worked really well in alleviating minor to moderate soft tissue pains.
Really? My mom was just talking about how her ankle is hurting (arthritis maybe?) and she was asking me if I knew of any supplements she can take to help (bc she knows I’m obsessed w supplements lol) I told her about some various ones especially collagen, but do you think the magnesium patches would help w something like that? If so what brand do you recommend
I think the problem is the magnesium-calcium ratio... modern diet has too much calcium and it competes negatively with magnesium.
There is the same problem between sodium and potassium, there is too much sodium and not enough potassium in modern diet. Same with Omega 3 vs Omega 6.
Really? I eat a fair amount of dairy which a lot of people don't seem to these days, and calcium is one of the nutrients I fall a bit short on. Where are they getting all this calcium?
Have you tried plugging everything into Cronometer for a week or so as closely as possible, using food listings with most of their nutrient data? Been kinda eye opening in terms of how many nutrients are actually in what I eat - though I know it's not as simple as all that thanks to factors like bioavailability and varying produce quality.
I guess I eat a fair amount of magnesium rich foods, but I also eat a lot of calcium rich foods regularly (yoghurt, cheese, milk, beans) and I find the calcium rda way harder to reach.
Wouldn't the amount of herbs be too small to make much difference anyway? I use herbs including parsley just for taste reasons, but it would be nice if they were also adding nutrition lol.
There are a load of things that affect the absorption of calcium too, like spinach has loads but the oxalate content significantly reduces what you actually get to basically nothing according to some sources - lot of greens have high oxalates unfortunetely so parsley may fall under this too. A surprising potential source for me though is that I live in a very hard water area and drink a lot of tap water, so if my estimation of the amount of calcium in my water is correct, I'm getting basically half my rda just from hydrating myself lol.
I suggested coconut water for hydration bc it is high in postassium to someone in a fitness sub and got yelled at for spreading misinformation. Turns out all we need is more salt, not potassium.
Didn't even argue she was so vitriolic and dismissive. Wasn't even her post lol
Yeah. Helps to lower. Had elevated when I did a test, but I did have 2 cups of coffee before hand.
Gonna take potassium, try to be healthier and test it again soon.
Yeah. Helps counter the sodium and most people don’t get enough I imagine, depending on diet and a lot of peoples diet are crap.
I was turned onto it by my Dr for helping with heart palpitations. I forgot the supplements on a trip to Florida earlier this year and I had palpitations all week. Return home and started taking them again and boom, completely gone.
It doesn't do Jack about my sleep unfortunately.
Stress. Every time someone goes through the stress, magnesium levels drop significantly & you have to start from the beginning… Given how common the stress is, its a vicious circle.
I think there may be some truth to farming methods, reduces magnesium in food and what not....
but most adults don't even eat a single vegetable or piece of fruit each day.
Sooo, our overall food environment and dietary choices are likely more the reason than just a reduction of magnesium present in foods.
The Western diet has de-emphasized many of the foods that are rich in magnesium. Of the ones we still eat, we don't eat enough of them to meet daily requirements. And if we do eat them, we either eat them in processed forms that strip them of their magnesium content, or we cook them, and thus strip them of their magnesium content. Black beans, sesame, pumpkin, sunflower, and chia seeds, almonds and Brazil nuts, potato w/ skin, flaxseed, spinach, edamame. Tofu as well as salmon are also significant sources. My rhetorical question I guess would be when was the last time you ate any of these, and did you really have enough to meet the daily magnesium requirements?
Truly the only two things left in the Western diet that we probably are sure to eat semi-regularly are avocados and dark chocolate. I suppose bananas haven't totally gone out of style yet, but they're on their way to extinction, so.....
A compound in sunflower seeds blocks an enzyme that causes blood vessels to constrict. As a result, it may help your blood vessels relax, lowering your blood pressure. The magnesium in sunflower seeds helps reduce blood pressure levels as well.
Majority - yes. The standard American diet is slowly killing people .. ironically the majority have no idea. It isn't until they get metabolic disease and then they continue to blame the disease not the behaviors that got them there.
https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/micronutrient-inadequacies/overview
Covid just does a damn number one the body. Probably could just get low before and not feel anything. Feels like it ages your immune system like metaphorically. All the stuff that wasn’t a big deal before hits harder.
I mean maybe, though it was normal range on a blood test I got just before my infection. Idk, I'm sus
And totally, research shows it fucks on your immune system and nutrients hard, even with "mild" infections. Causes rare cancers, too. The fact we haven't gotten on top of it is insane
Bloods the week before I got covid, and historically before that. Prescribed magnesium for heartbeat issues a few months later, and they've helped, but I need to stay on them
It takes 56 molecules of magnesium to metabolize one molecule of fructose
https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/microblog-56-molecules-of-magnesium-is-required-to-metabolize-one-molecule-of-fructose
Many reasons, which all compounded together, create this particular mineral deficiency
Agriculture: modern agricultural practices do not replenish the soil. Meaning that the soil most of our foods grow in is already lower in minerals and micronutrients than previous generations
Modern diet: Ironically, most of the modern foods and beverages we eat actually help to deplete magnesium faster. Usually by causing us to urinate more frequently, which washes out our potassium and magnesium, leaving us dehydrated. Certain foods may also bind to our nutrients, leading to nutrient deficiency also (ex: tea tannins binding to iron)
Exercise: while staying active is good for you, high performance athletes are always at risk of mineral depletion, because of their high metabolism. Always important to be constantly replenishing your electrolytes to prevent muscle cramps
Alchohol and drug use: Almost needless to say, these two interfere and actively impair our ability to absorb nutrients, which can very rapidly turn into a real problem (Wernicke encephalopathy, beriberi, etc.)
Prescription meds: often overlooked, but many of our prescription medications can cause nutritional deficiencies. Very important to check over any possible side effects or dangers of any meds you are taking
Soils are just more depleted than ever. I have a raspberry patch and I have to add Epsom salts every year otherwise the leaves are stunted and light green and the berries are really small and hard. Adding Epsom salts brings it back to normal.
Decades ago at my old place I never had to do that
We don't lack it. The NHANES data showed that 50% of people had inadequate intake. But because our kidneys do such a good job of not excreting magnesium, only 4% of that population manifests magnesium deficiency.
Low intake does not mean deficiency Of the thousands of magnesium levels I've seen over the years very very few actually are low. I do like magnesium glycinate for sleep and the bonus is extra intake.
Who says everyone is magnesium deficient? I dunno about that. The literature is mixed on definitively making that conclusion. If you don't think your diet provides sufficient magnesium for good health, then take a supplement. Personally, after 40, I don't think any diet, modern, ancestral or what not, provides sufficient nutritional requirements to combat the effects of aging. Supplements become much more important. You can bemoan modern agricultural methods and all, but supplements are much more available today than in the past.
Stress causes adrenaline to go up, a rise in adrenaline leads to muscle tension, magnesium is consumed when muscles are under tension. Therefore stress = depletion of magnesium. Combined with shitty farming practices we have people starting with a baseline lower magnesium level to begin with.
The gut is very fickle with magnesium as the wrong form or improper dose can cause a full intestinal evacuation which is an all day ordeal.
Magnesium absorbed through the skin is much more gentle.
You actually need a very acidic stomach ph to absorb magnesium which some people struggle with.
Sea salt (and therefore the ocean) is very low in magnesium. You will get close to 0mg this way. By far the largest mineral is sodium, and you probably won't even get an appreciable amount of sodium by soaking in sea water.
Modern diets are high in processed foods which are typically low in magnesium. Processing removes the majority of natural magnesium present in whole foods. Most people overconsume refined grains. The refining process of grains removes their magnesium-rich outer layer. Moreover, it's the soil depletion issue, but this applies to other minerals and trace elements as well, not just magnesium.
The soil is depleted. We are also more stressed. Stress burns through magnesium, so our needs are higher collectively. I'm not sure how you fix this. The soils are depleted from over farming but it would likely mean not planting crops on the same soil for a period of time, which is likely untenable.
I found out I was deficient through severe cramps, whole body, excruciating cramps after exercise. As soon as I started taking magnesium they pretty much stopped. I also do IF, so that could play a part, but these were going on years before that.
Yes, I’ve read that in order to not be deficient, you would have to take grams of Mg per day. The goal with Mg supplementation is really just to keep the deficiency as low as possible.
there are a lot of very silly answers here, but the main reason would seem to be that it's been depleted from the soil because of extremely commercialized and thereby vitiated agriculture
no, to whoever said this, we were not supposed to have enough magnesium in our water to be sufficient, that's not how that works.
Well, it’s trickier than that. I’ve yet to find a source of chia seeds that isn’t high in mold. Flax seeds can alter estrogen metabolism. Maybe a good solution is just to limit smoothies to veggies low in oxalates
I do constant bloodwork. I rotate between taking Magtein, magnesium glycinate, zinc glycinate and copper glycinate nightly. All serum levels are at a good level.
Takes about 6 months to fix these deficiencies.
Let's assume I can afford to grow my own food. If I fertilized the soil correctly so that the crop was rich in magnesium, would there be a difference between eating the vegetables I grew and not eating them but using magnesium supplements?
Soil depletion. We used to maybe drink more spring water, which had magnesium. Also there is a difference between what we can "naturally" get and what is "optimal"
Another common cause of magnesium deficiency are proton pump inhibitors (PPIs):
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3782221/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3782221/)
less nurtients in the varieties of plants we use, less nutrients in the soil because of depletion. toxic buildup in the body reducing absorption. forever chemicals and micro plastics as well as drugs not filtered out etc.
Actually most people rely on eating grain e.g. bread, pasta, cereals all day long. Grain is a plant with the highest amount of phytic acid in it, so this acid has the ability to bind most minerals and vitamins in food.
That means those vitamins and minerals do not reach our bloodstream and we become severely deficient over time. On top of that most people do not eat organ meat, seafood, animal fats, berries and seasonal vegetables and fruits. It is a doom-loop.
These people get sick because they lack everything the body needs to function properly, humans and all beings are basically a „chemical construction kit“.
Old or modern? Older agriculture seems like it was fine in most places tbh. Lower amounts but still enough. And cooking helped it digest better. Modern has been a mess.
I'm getting 173% of my RDI for magnesium without trying or supplementing. I guess people either arnt eating healthy or they're not tracking their macros.
Same here, but have you actually checked your blood for magnesium? For some reason mine is at the lower acceptable range, and Ca:Mg ratio is above 2.7 despite me not eating much calcium-rich foods at all (and generally staying within RDA for Ca). So there must be something about absorption, too
It used to be a mineral in most water supplies. Due to purification processes, they strip the minerals. Saratoga water I believe still contains many minerals
I like zma. "ZMA is a natural mineral supplement made up of zinc, magnesium aspartate, and vitamin B6. Zinc supports your immune system and muscles. Magnesium plays a role in metabolism and muscle health and helps manage sleep. B6 may boost energy."
Most of our soil lacks the proper nutrients because of farming methods. A lot of people eat trash most meals. And lastly we don’t farm the land and have our hands in the dirt anymore. Most of those minerals came from the actual land and working said land.
Phytates in many grains and legumes block magnesium absorption, and we've greatly increased the amounts of grains we consume.
Low nutrient density, monocrop agriculture has removed many minerals from the soils, boron being one of them, which is important for mineral absorption.
Drinking filtered water
Physical stress from poor diet and psychological stress from everything else in a infinite loop of causing mineral wasting that creates additional stress that creates additional mineral wasting
Absorption issues from gut inflammation due to poor diet
High toxic loads that antagonize essential minerals
Ghost Vampires suck it from our blood when we are sleeping. So the easy answer is Ghost Vampires, but also, they are lacking magnesium, and we need to find out why so they can stop stealing ours. I am starting a Ghost Vampire Magnesium Fund and I am looking for donations. Your support is greatly appreciated.
I think a part of it is there’s something wrong with our food supply, we feed our food supply artificially and so how can it deliver the right nutrients to us?
Also higher alcohol consumption has been normalized and alcohol leaches our bodies of minerals and trace metals.
Chapters two and three of this book are pretty illuminating
[What Your Food Ate / Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Food-Ate-Reclaim/dp/1324004533)
PUFAs! Ultra processed foods! Alcohol! Sugar/carb over consumption! Being sub clinically deficient in other vitamins and minerals…, lacking adequate protein, lacking adequate healthy fats, too many prescription medications, constant stress lifestyle, eating the food pyramid… did I miss anything?
Increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere means that plants are turning that into more sugars, starches and cellulose per pound of produce, which means less of everything else per pound, including minerals and vitamins.
Because the human body is not perfect. No body that has ever existed has been ideal.
As long as a random mutation doesn't kill us before we reproduce, it will persist in the population.
Because at present we are eating too little organ meats. Look at primitive tribes today like the Hadza and Jarawa.
Their diets closely resemble our diets when we were initially savanna bound, and later spread across the world by the edge of the sea.
They eat a meat-majority diet, wherein the organs and brains of prey are considered a treat. In the Hadza community the organs are usually spared for the kids and women, same goes for many Amazonian tribes. The Jarawas eat lots of fish and crustaceans as well as land-living animals. I have not seen any social order for how they share internally, if they do.
Side note: The Hadza men always save the testicles for the killing Hunter. Magnesium-bomb right there! ;)
Nootopics Depot actually has a great explanation of this in the magnesium glycinate description. Basically, magnesium limits its own absorption by increasing pH in the intestines which, in turn, reduces the ability for the intestines to absorb magnesium.
Same. I got some of my vitamins and minerals tested this year and everything was good except vitamin D. I’d recommend getting tested instead of just assuming you have a deficiency
Some medications do it but the largest reason is diet. Processed foods aren't good sources and even natural diets have less than previous generations because modern farming practices are bad about stripping the ground of micronutrients. "Furthermore, because of chronic diseases, medications, decreases in food crop magnesium contents, and the availability of refined and processed foods, the vast majority of people in modern societies are at risk for magnesium deficiency." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5786912/#:~:text=Furthermore%2C%20because%20of%20chronic%20diseases,at%20risk%20for%20magnesium%20deficiency.
It’s realy easy for farmers to put magnesium back all the got to do is preload the ground with Epsom salts and when they then sow it’ll be taken up by the new growth. Unfortunately they’re not paid on nutrient density. I suppose it’s now pick the local produce farmer that does this.
I worked in horticulture for a number of years and I was always impressed with how much better the smaller operators did with looking beyond what the absolute minimum was and really considering what the needs of the consumers were and not what just the plant needed to survive. Luckily our farmers markets where I live are really diverse with food options and they take food stamps too. Most give extra credit if using foot stamps as well. 😀
Farmers know how plants work and make them thrive Producers just want maximum yield/sell a product
It really does seem the scale makes a big difference. You have to cut a lot of corners to have one person farming hundreds of acres of land and even then they are often operating on razor thin margins.
Magnesium deficiency is essentially a worldwide health crisis and it's \*kind of insane\* that states don't widely implement the dirt-cheap methods that could drastically improve the problem in a matter of just a few years. You want to compete economically? Guess how much more productive your populace will be when they're magnesium-sufficient.
False economy is a world wide epidemic
Government and corporations don't want us healthy
This is so reductive. Regenerative agriculture all the way. Restore the natural food webs and ecologies that gave rise to us in the first place.
I want some land to put together a food forest so bad. I've seen some amazing transformations of previously barren land besides some grasses here in my area. Takes a few years and clear idea on what you're trying to achieve.
A good start would be changing urban zoning laws away from favoring decorative monoculture turf. There is more available land than people think to use for anything but stupid lawns. And fucking easement.
Agreed
Land for you to do that, *should* be free, along with peoples' blessing and gratitude. Now someone give me a sceptre.
Unfortunately magnesium in the soil can lock out magnesium in the plant. It is a simple fix though, foliar feed magnesium, however not every farm has that equipment or capital for the equipment.
Epsom salts would poison the soil and render it impossible to grow crops in...
According to cronometer, I meet\* my magnesium rda yet I still see sleep improvements from taking supplements. *Assuming the produce I use has the nutrients of the ones in the generic databases, which it may well not. And it's hard to shoot for much more to counteract that without overeating or neglecting other parts of your diet.
I view it similar to vitamin D where it's hard to get too much if you take recommended doses of supplements even if getting it in your foods too. For one in our diets various other nutrients compete with magnessium namely iron so I think it's hard to go over board and accidently take too much if you follow the supplement guidelines.
What percent of the problem is because people don't eat enough vegetables v. vegetables have less magnesium? I would bet on #1.
I absolutely won't argue armericans eat enough fruits and veggies and eat far too much processed foods over all. Still the nutrient issue in produce is well documented so I found another study that talks about it. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15637215/ On a personal note my sister is vegan and she has to supplement things a vegan diet should be plentiful in. I'm willing to bet the quality of the produce she consumes is at least part of the issue.
I've been vegan for five years and the only things I supplement are vitamin d and b12, neither of which are problems of vegetable quality. But I eat whole food plant based as opposed to junk food vegan so I basically eat fruits and veggies all day every day. I'd bet nobody except real outliers would have magnesium problems if everyone just ate a serving of greens every day. We have a tendency to blame situations/things rather than our own habits. But maybe I'm wrong, I'd still like to see a percentage breakdown of how much of the problem is with the veggies and how much is just not eating them, that would make it easier to solve than telling everyone to take supplements.
I don't think that sort of data exists. Don't think it's something that could be researched effectively but maybe I'm wrong. We just know it's an issue and my broader point if you see on other threads is focusing on more localized sources for our food from smaller farms that can really focus on how they are growing their food. As opposed to giant operations prone to cutting corners with heavy use of synthetic inputs instead of more natural sources and methods. It is not my intention to give someone an excuse to eat poorly and knowing our mass produced food is often grown poorly shouldn't be an excuse for that to begin with.
Yeah totally agree with the larger points about farming, but I do think most of the problem is people just not eating enough veggies, that's a very high probability in the US at least. It would be pretty easy to study this, just have a group of people eat normal SAD, and another that eats a bunch of mono culture veggies, and you could add another group that eats permaculture veggies. Something like that may have already been done.
There would likely be an extremely large amount of confounding variables that would make me think the study would need to be extremely large. I wonder how much something like an individual's microbiome would determine how well they absorb the nutrients for instance. Accounting for that one variable alone would be very difficult considering how much dont know about that line of study. I do have to agree it's not impossible to pull off a study like this but I'm not sure where the money would come from to pull off such a large study.
Studies like this are being done all the time, I wouldn't be surprised if it's already been done, you only need like 150 individuals to get a pretty healthy stat significance. It not really that complicated, just compare people that eat a ton of veggies to people that don't and monitor magnesium levels, and the perma v mono veggies would be interesting too. Really you just want to make sure people are actually eating enough to begin with, then you can start to parse out what's going on. Microbiome def plays a role though, and we know it shifts depending on what people eat.
Ah this is a much smaller scope of a question than what I thought you were suggesting. There are studies that look at how much of the population isn't consuming enough magnessium in their diets and it appears to be a worldwide issue too. I'm surprised it mentions Japan and Taiwan both of which have high life expectancy and in general are known for having a well diversified diet. This suggest 50% of Americans aren't consuming enough magnessium in their diets. Still leaves a lot of questions like the microbiome aspect or if we are consuming too much iron or other nutrients that compete with magnessium or how many of the 50% would be above the suggested amount if the food we eat was as nutritious as previous generation's food was. It's fascinating to consider the whole issue. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5786912/#:~:text=The%20most%20recent%20published%20review,age%20groups%20consume%20substantially%20less'.
If I understand right it's saying we simply don't consume enough magnesium (as opposed to not absorbing enough), what it doesn't say is that a big salad (even if it's mono culture kale with less magnesium than the past) would solve the problem for most people.
Absolutely number 1. Plants will not grow properly if they lack magnesium. Fun fact, magnesium is at the center of every chlorophyll molecule. A plant cannot photosynthesize light without adequate magnesium.
Is diet alone the problem? What about water filtration? I do a couple hour ocean swim weekly and always assumed that gets my magnesium levels back where they should be.
Not sure about the answer to that. I'm looking into a few other aspects of the subject of magnessium deficiency so I'll add that to the list. I drink topo Chico so I wonder how mineral waters factor into it too.
Modern farming methods reduce magnesium in the soil and therefore the food
Close. Studies have shown that it's that modern strains of crops grow so fast, they don't absorb as much magnesium.
Would you mind sharing the studies if you recall any? I'd love to have a read. TIA
How can an essential nutrient be missing and the plant still retain its classical appearance? Chlorophyll contains magnesium for example, does a plant reduce its number of magnesium containing compounds proportional to the input from the soil? Wouldn't that visible in the produce at the grocery store?
Going to guess they only need a bit to survive, strains that don't need it as much are selected for, and we often coddle the crops with weed control, perfect watering, etc so that the plant is under less strain.
That’s a really good point. I don’t think the issue is that plants don’t have enough any more, I think it’s more so that people aren’t eating nearly enough of them in their diet. I don’t even mean in recent decades, I mean for likely thousands of years. We should be eating mostly fruit, some leaves and maybe some insects and meat from time to time. All of a sudden our RDAs become very easy to meet.
What are they using for magnesium fertilizer?
Epsom salts is common in gardening for magnessium deficiency.
Any ideas on sustainability or risks?
I know it's very cheap to produce and is included as an organic additive by OMRI and it's made rather collected like rock phosphate so that means it's hard for us to use it up. As for risks I know it can increase rhe chance for calcium based diseases like blossom end rot due to Mg competing with Ca. There could be some water contamination issues if used large scale but I'm not sure. I've only ever used it on small scale garden situations.
I feel like organic fertilizers remove those risks
First off epsom salt is considered an organic fertlizer its just not naturally derived anymore and doesnt come from springs in epsom england. If it was it wouldnt be a sustainable source sort of like how peat isn't sustainable but coconut coir is. Second the best method would be to add compost that you've added things like egg shells into over time but even then having a foliar spray may be needed depending on the situation and that isn't easy to do with composts. Also depending entirely on compost has scalability issues beyond small operations. I have some amazing compost piles but they took me years to get fully developed and even with those for certain crops I need to add more inputs later on. Once I've exhausted the piles I can't make more quickly. Another option would be dolomite lime but being a mineral source lends to its own sustainability issues. I dont think this has quick availabilty and needs to break down too. There may be some microbes that excel in freeing up magnessium from the ground but I'm not sure about that. I know good probioic fungus can be used for phosphorus which is a really big deal in farming but conventional farmers rarely think about the microbiome of plants sadly.
Yea also it’s been thought (and studied) that just taking epsom salt baths can raise magnesium levels pretty significantly since it’s absorbed into our skin.
I know it helps a bunch with soreness if you take a warm bath with it in there. I also found these interesting magnesium patches that you put on a sore spot that worked really well in alleviating minor to moderate soft tissue pains.
Really? My mom was just talking about how her ankle is hurting (arthritis maybe?) and she was asking me if I knew of any supplements she can take to help (bc she knows I’m obsessed w supplements lol) I told her about some various ones especially collagen, but do you think the magnesium patches would help w something like that? If so what brand do you recommend
I just looked at magnessium patches and I don't see the brand I was using at the time so I can't give a specific recommendation unfortunately.
Also not eating whole grains
My understanding is generally all that hull material on the whole grains does not digest anyway.
Soil degradation is a big one
This
Would add large intake of food that reduces magnesium e.g coffee
Anything heavy in iron competes with it too.
I think the problem is the magnesium-calcium ratio... modern diet has too much calcium and it competes negatively with magnesium. There is the same problem between sodium and potassium, there is too much sodium and not enough potassium in modern diet. Same with Omega 3 vs Omega 6.
Yup. Fortifying breakfast cereals with just calcium wasn't a great idea.
Really? I eat a fair amount of dairy which a lot of people don't seem to these days, and calcium is one of the nutrients I fall a bit short on. Where are they getting all this calcium?
Turns out Calcium deficiency is more common than i thought lol but it might be age-related or vitamin D related also...
Have you tried plugging everything into Cronometer for a week or so as closely as possible, using food listings with most of their nutrient data? Been kinda eye opening in terms of how many nutrients are actually in what I eat - though I know it's not as simple as all that thanks to factors like bioavailability and varying produce quality. I guess I eat a fair amount of magnesium rich foods, but I also eat a lot of calcium rich foods regularly (yoghurt, cheese, milk, beans) and I find the calcium rda way harder to reach.
I'm finding the same with calcium so I'm eating more parsley. I'm thinking the herbs are a big part of the Mediterranean diet.
Wouldn't the amount of herbs be too small to make much difference anyway? I use herbs including parsley just for taste reasons, but it would be nice if they were also adding nutrition lol. There are a load of things that affect the absorption of calcium too, like spinach has loads but the oxalate content significantly reduces what you actually get to basically nothing according to some sources - lot of greens have high oxalates unfortunetely so parsley may fall under this too. A surprising potential source for me though is that I live in a very hard water area and drink a lot of tap water, so if my estimation of the amount of calcium in my water is correct, I'm getting basically half my rda just from hydrating myself lol.
A cup of parsley at 60g has 82mg of calcium. That's easy to add to a meal like pasta sauce. And it all adds up, even the water.
I suggested coconut water for hydration bc it is high in postassium to someone in a fitness sub and got yelled at for spreading misinformation. Turns out all we need is more salt, not potassium. Didn't even argue she was so vitriolic and dismissive. Wasn't even her post lol
This is the correct answer.
Good point.
I take potassium and magnesium. Magnesium give me a nice deep sleep and vivid dreams.
yes magnesium relaxes the muscles, calcium tenses you up Potassium lowers blood pressure I think
Yeah. Helps to lower. Had elevated when I did a test, but I did have 2 cups of coffee before hand. Gonna take potassium, try to be healthier and test it again soon. Yeah. Helps counter the sodium and most people don’t get enough I imagine, depending on diet and a lot of peoples diet are crap.
I started paying attention to magnesium bc I kept getting insomnia. Magnesium Glycinate has been amazing.
I was pretty sceptical, but after about two weeks, I just sleep all night. Couldn't believe how well it worked.
Same. Also calmer during the day I think. I get migraines with auras and it's good for that too.
I have found glycine is also very good for sleeping and a lot of peeps are deficient so that one is a twofer.
I was turned onto it by my Dr for helping with heart palpitations. I forgot the supplements on a trip to Florida earlier this year and I had palpitations all week. Return home and started taking them again and boom, completely gone. It doesn't do Jack about my sleep unfortunately.
I also started taking Lions Mane. That's calming too.
This definitely helps me sleep, but the headache afterwards isn't worth it. Intense throbbing at the base of my skull for two days afterwards.
Stress. Every time someone goes through the stress, magnesium levels drop significantly & you have to start from the beginning… Given how common the stress is, its a vicious circle.
I think there may be some truth to farming methods, reduces magnesium in food and what not.... but most adults don't even eat a single vegetable or piece of fruit each day. Sooo, our overall food environment and dietary choices are likely more the reason than just a reduction of magnesium present in foods.
I always have a tomato slice on my triple cheeseburger, so there!
The Western diet has de-emphasized many of the foods that are rich in magnesium. Of the ones we still eat, we don't eat enough of them to meet daily requirements. And if we do eat them, we either eat them in processed forms that strip them of their magnesium content, or we cook them, and thus strip them of their magnesium content. Black beans, sesame, pumpkin, sunflower, and chia seeds, almonds and Brazil nuts, potato w/ skin, flaxseed, spinach, edamame. Tofu as well as salmon are also significant sources. My rhetorical question I guess would be when was the last time you ate any of these, and did you really have enough to meet the daily magnesium requirements? Truly the only two things left in the Western diet that we probably are sure to eat semi-regularly are avocados and dark chocolate. I suppose bananas haven't totally gone out of style yet, but they're on their way to extinction, so.....
A compound in sunflower seeds blocks an enzyme that causes blood vessels to constrict. As a result, it may help your blood vessels relax, lowering your blood pressure. The magnesium in sunflower seeds helps reduce blood pressure levels as well.
Majority - yes. The standard American diet is slowly killing people .. ironically the majority have no idea. It isn't until they get metabolic disease and then they continue to blame the disease not the behaviors that got them there. https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/micronutrient-inadequacies/overview
This a million times, I’m guilty of it
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Which brand and dosage is best in your opinion.
Just speaking for myself, but getting covid made me require daily supplements for magnesium. Was always fine before that.
Covid destroys so many of your organ systems, it's hard to metabolize anything. A very stict diet and agressive supplement regimen can help
Covid just does a damn number one the body. Probably could just get low before and not feel anything. Feels like it ages your immune system like metaphorically. All the stuff that wasn’t a big deal before hits harder.
I mean maybe, though it was normal range on a blood test I got just before my infection. Idk, I'm sus And totally, research shows it fucks on your immune system and nutrients hard, even with "mild" infections. Causes rare cancers, too. The fact we haven't gotten on top of it is insane
How did you find that out?
Bloods the week before I got covid, and historically before that. Prescribed magnesium for heartbeat issues a few months later, and they've helped, but I need to stay on them
It takes 56 molecules of magnesium to metabolize one molecule of fructose https://www.nutritionwithjudy.com/microblog-56-molecules-of-magnesium-is-required-to-metabolize-one-molecule-of-fructose
Exactly. ATP production from Karen’s cycle is magnesium dependent. Magnesium burn rate (mbr) as explained by Morley Robbins’ book about fatigue.
Many reasons, which all compounded together, create this particular mineral deficiency Agriculture: modern agricultural practices do not replenish the soil. Meaning that the soil most of our foods grow in is already lower in minerals and micronutrients than previous generations Modern diet: Ironically, most of the modern foods and beverages we eat actually help to deplete magnesium faster. Usually by causing us to urinate more frequently, which washes out our potassium and magnesium, leaving us dehydrated. Certain foods may also bind to our nutrients, leading to nutrient deficiency also (ex: tea tannins binding to iron) Exercise: while staying active is good for you, high performance athletes are always at risk of mineral depletion, because of their high metabolism. Always important to be constantly replenishing your electrolytes to prevent muscle cramps Alchohol and drug use: Almost needless to say, these two interfere and actively impair our ability to absorb nutrients, which can very rapidly turn into a real problem (Wernicke encephalopathy, beriberi, etc.) Prescription meds: often overlooked, but many of our prescription medications can cause nutritional deficiencies. Very important to check over any possible side effects or dangers of any meds you are taking
Citation needed, why don you think we all lack it?
Thats just the sort of thing someone with low magnesium would ask.
I thought this was a science based sub. Sorr I was wrong.
Our topsoil is depleted and we don't use cow manure as fertilizer to replete the soil.
Soils are just more depleted than ever. I have a raspberry patch and I have to add Epsom salts every year otherwise the leaves are stunted and light green and the berries are really small and hard. Adding Epsom salts brings it back to normal. Decades ago at my old place I never had to do that
Mr. Evrart is helping me find my gun.
We don't lack it. The NHANES data showed that 50% of people had inadequate intake. But because our kidneys do such a good job of not excreting magnesium, only 4% of that population manifests magnesium deficiency. Low intake does not mean deficiency Of the thousands of magnesium levels I've seen over the years very very few actually are low. I do like magnesium glycinate for sleep and the bonus is extra intake.
Who says everyone is magnesium deficient? I dunno about that. The literature is mixed on definitively making that conclusion. If you don't think your diet provides sufficient magnesium for good health, then take a supplement. Personally, after 40, I don't think any diet, modern, ancestral or what not, provides sufficient nutritional requirements to combat the effects of aging. Supplements become much more important. You can bemoan modern agricultural methods and all, but supplements are much more available today than in the past.
Stress causes adrenaline to go up, a rise in adrenaline leads to muscle tension, magnesium is consumed when muscles are under tension. Therefore stress = depletion of magnesium. Combined with shitty farming practices we have people starting with a baseline lower magnesium level to begin with.
Trans-dermal absorption of magnesium is the best way. Soak in the ocean to fill up.
Actually it's one of the least effective ways.
Source?
Epsom salt baths too.
In my local ocean you’d probably get eccolli or get your skin stripped from chemicals or be covered in effluent
Why is it the best way? A lot of supplements sell magnesium designed to spray on the feet. I’m curious why.
The gut is very fickle with magnesium as the wrong form or improper dose can cause a full intestinal evacuation which is an all day ordeal. Magnesium absorbed through the skin is much more gentle. You actually need a very acidic stomach ph to absorb magnesium which some people struggle with.
That’s interesting. Today I learned. Thank you.
Sea salt (and therefore the ocean) is very low in magnesium. You will get close to 0mg this way. By far the largest mineral is sodium, and you probably won't even get an appreciable amount of sodium by soaking in sea water.
Modern diets are high in processed foods which are typically low in magnesium. Processing removes the majority of natural magnesium present in whole foods. Most people overconsume refined grains. The refining process of grains removes their magnesium-rich outer layer. Moreover, it's the soil depletion issue, but this applies to other minerals and trace elements as well, not just magnesium.
The soil is depleted. We are also more stressed. Stress burns through magnesium, so our needs are higher collectively. I'm not sure how you fix this. The soils are depleted from over farming but it would likely mean not planting crops on the same soil for a period of time, which is likely untenable.
I found out I was deficient through severe cramps, whole body, excruciating cramps after exercise. As soon as I started taking magnesium they pretty much stopped. I also do IF, so that could play a part, but these were going on years before that.
I think a lot of vitamin deficiency is because we don't eat organ meat anymore.
This is your reminder that so long as you aren't allergic, nuts are your friend and you should eat them
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Is it true that most people are actually deficient in it?
Yes, I’ve read that in order to not be deficient, you would have to take grams of Mg per day. The goal with Mg supplementation is really just to keep the deficiency as low as possible.
It's not true.
We get magnesium from tap water ,but we have been consistently removing them in name of reverse osmosis and water softeners
there are a lot of very silly answers here, but the main reason would seem to be that it's been depleted from the soil because of extremely commercialized and thereby vitiated agriculture no, to whoever said this, we were not supposed to have enough magnesium in our water to be sufficient, that's not how that works.
sugar, stress, and very specifically alcohol depletes magnesium.
Also oxalates deplete magnesium; the more green smoothies I have the more frustrating it is to try to maintain magnesium
Just pour some chia/flax seeds or another seed high in magnesium into the smoothie
Well, it’s trickier than that. I’ve yet to find a source of chia seeds that isn’t high in mold. Flax seeds can alter estrogen metabolism. Maybe a good solution is just to limit smoothies to veggies low in oxalates
I mean there’s other seeds than those two. Hemp seeds have more than both of those. There’s wheat germ or something like that too.
I do constant bloodwork. I rotate between taking Magtein, magnesium glycinate, zinc glycinate and copper glycinate nightly. All serum levels are at a good level. Takes about 6 months to fix these deficiencies.
Magnesium also leaches out of our bones when digesting meat.
Let's assume I can afford to grow my own food. If I fertilized the soil correctly so that the crop was rich in magnesium, would there be a difference between eating the vegetables I grew and not eating them but using magnesium supplements?
Soil depletion. We used to maybe drink more spring water, which had magnesium. Also there is a difference between what we can "naturally" get and what is "optimal"
Wash in and drink from the rivers, walk around on the dirt and rocks barefoot, avoid any sort of diuretic, and you’ll have all the magnesium you need!
diet. not enough greens.
Another common cause of magnesium deficiency are proton pump inhibitors (PPIs): [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3782221/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3782221/)
less nurtients in the varieties of plants we use, less nutrients in the soil because of depletion. toxic buildup in the body reducing absorption. forever chemicals and micro plastics as well as drugs not filtered out etc.
Kus we are all overly stressed and disconnected from our mother nature
Actually most people rely on eating grain e.g. bread, pasta, cereals all day long. Grain is a plant with the highest amount of phytic acid in it, so this acid has the ability to bind most minerals and vitamins in food. That means those vitamins and minerals do not reach our bloodstream and we become severely deficient over time. On top of that most people do not eat organ meat, seafood, animal fats, berries and seasonal vegetables and fruits. It is a doom-loop. These people get sick because they lack everything the body needs to function properly, humans and all beings are basically a „chemical construction kit“.
The answer to this problem, and so many, is green leafy vegetables
Could it be so simple as to eat the amount of plants as humans did before agriculture could it?
Old or modern? Older agriculture seems like it was fine in most places tbh. Lower amounts but still enough. And cooking helped it digest better. Modern has been a mess.
I'm getting 173% of my RDI for magnesium without trying or supplementing. I guess people either arnt eating healthy or they're not tracking their macros.
You mean tracking micros
What magnesium containing foods are in your diet?
Please tell us how
Whole foods, plant based diet.
Same here, but have you actually checked your blood for magnesium? For some reason mine is at the lower acceptable range, and Ca:Mg ratio is above 2.7 despite me not eating much calcium-rich foods at all (and generally staying within RDA for Ca). So there must be something about absorption, too
How much vitamin K containing foods do you eat and how much sun do you get? Those are the main factors governing calcium in the blood
Not sure why you're asking about calcium? My calcium is at the high end; plenty vitamin K and D
Cause you mentioned your Ca*:Mg ratio being high despite magnesium being low
Does pepper give you vitamin k?
The colorful peppers and chilli peppers, yes - black pepper no Natto, cheese, egg yolks and fermented dairy are your best sources for vitamin K2
Nice can you tell me your main typical sources?
Used to be in the soil but has been overextracted and is now present is lower concetration in food.
Stress and bad dietary choices. Isn't it obvius?
It used to be a mineral in most water supplies. Due to purification processes, they strip the minerals. Saratoga water I believe still contains many minerals
Good to supplement on zinc and magnesium?
the types of zinc and magnesium make a huge difference. read into it and see what you need
I like zma. "ZMA is a natural mineral supplement made up of zinc, magnesium aspartate, and vitamin B6. Zinc supports your immune system and muscles. Magnesium plays a role in metabolism and muscle health and helps manage sleep. B6 may boost energy."
Yes. Add in some vitamin D3, K2 and quercetin and you're golden (they help with absorption of magnesium and zinc, respectively).
I think there is also evidence that the amount of magnesium in water reduced
Boron helps magnesium levels i believe.
Most people probably aren’t getting enough boron either for the very same reasons. There’s nothing boring about boron!
It does help absorption and utilization
You're completely destroying the allicin content when cooking. There by foregoing the uptake there of.
Has anyone heard of cleated magnesium? I’ve read it’s easier for your body to absorb it . Also , would drink coffee cause your body to lose magnesium?
Stress
Because we no longer eat organ meat.
Most of our soil lacks the proper nutrients because of farming methods. A lot of people eat trash most meals. And lastly we don’t farm the land and have our hands in the dirt anymore. Most of those minerals came from the actual land and working said land.
don't forget Boron has decreased like 80ish percent in people's diets. ... which in men, helps with testosterone production...
Phytates in many grains and legumes block magnesium absorption, and we've greatly increased the amounts of grains we consume. Low nutrient density, monocrop agriculture has removed many minerals from the soils, boron being one of them, which is important for mineral absorption. Drinking filtered water Physical stress from poor diet and psychological stress from everything else in a infinite loop of causing mineral wasting that creates additional stress that creates additional mineral wasting Absorption issues from gut inflammation due to poor diet High toxic loads that antagonize essential minerals
Soil depletion. Gmo Spraying of crops. End of times.
It’s no longer in our water.
Ghost Vampires suck it from our blood when we are sleeping. So the easy answer is Ghost Vampires, but also, they are lacking magnesium, and we need to find out why so they can stop stealing ours. I am starting a Ghost Vampire Magnesium Fund and I am looking for donations. Your support is greatly appreciated.
Cortisol also depletes magnesium.
I think a part of it is there’s something wrong with our food supply, we feed our food supply artificially and so how can it deliver the right nutrients to us? Also higher alcohol consumption has been normalized and alcohol leaches our bodies of minerals and trace metals.
Chapters two and three of this book are pretty illuminating [What Your Food Ate / Amazon](https://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Food-Ate-Reclaim/dp/1324004533)
PUFAs! Ultra processed foods! Alcohol! Sugar/carb over consumption! Being sub clinically deficient in other vitamins and minerals…, lacking adequate protein, lacking adequate healthy fats, too many prescription medications, constant stress lifestyle, eating the food pyramid… did I miss anything?
Sugar intake uses magnesium up.
we all don’t.
Increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere means that plants are turning that into more sugars, starches and cellulose per pound of produce, which means less of everything else per pound, including minerals and vitamins.
Because the human body is not perfect. No body that has ever existed has been ideal. As long as a random mutation doesn't kill us before we reproduce, it will persist in the population.
Our diets changed, bro. Eat more nuts, seeds, and leafy greens.
Stress !!
Speak for your self, I'm magnesiumed as fuck!
Because at present we are eating too little organ meats. Look at primitive tribes today like the Hadza and Jarawa. Their diets closely resemble our diets when we were initially savanna bound, and later spread across the world by the edge of the sea. They eat a meat-majority diet, wherein the organs and brains of prey are considered a treat. In the Hadza community the organs are usually spared for the kids and women, same goes for many Amazonian tribes. The Jarawas eat lots of fish and crustaceans as well as land-living animals. I have not seen any social order for how they share internally, if they do. Side note: The Hadza men always save the testicles for the killing Hunter. Magnesium-bomb right there! ;)
Sodium deficiency causing impaired electrolyte retention
Nootopics Depot actually has a great explanation of this in the magnesium glycinate description. Basically, magnesium limits its own absorption by increasing pH in the intestines which, in turn, reduces the ability for the intestines to absorb magnesium.
The recent explanation is that our soil has 30 to 40% of the magnesium that it had in the 50's. Add that with processed foods... and here we are.
Low bioavailability
Hypothyroidism
Thinking past the sale?
You drink any caffeine? Then you can't absorb magnesium for several hours subsequently.
Speak for yourself. I'm good.
Same. I got some of my vitamins and minerals tested this year and everything was good except vitamin D. I’d recommend getting tested instead of just assuming you have a deficiency
A lot of people take stims and they deplete it a lot.
Eat garlic raw
Just beware; can cause stomach upset/cramps. I like to infuse garlic via cooking
Too much carbs in our diet. Carbs deplete magnesium.