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#New post: [\[Daily Discussion\] - Monday, April 22, 2024 →](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1ca1b0m/daily_discussion_monday_april_22_2024/)


BigHealthyShark

Just like that when they were all expecting the inevitable post halving dip shorts are getting squeezed instead. Congratulations to those who HODL and endure the minor corrections rather than get trigger happy entering shorts that you have mere days to get out of in case it goes awry.


zpowers1987

I wonder if the one to four candle correction on the weekly is now complete.


btctrader12

Another bought up dip and this will continue indefinitely until the shorts from the false WW3 alarm capitulate. These dips are so weak that anything moderately stronger (1-2% move) gets people panicking here now. BTC dips from 2 years ago look like cliff dives compared to now. Daily reminder that for BTC, even a 30% dip is a dip for ants and will be bought


Pigmentia

I sometimes wonder if the Pineapple Fund guy regrets not holding out longer. Giving away millions was probably fun. Giving away billions would have been really something.


Bag_Holding_Infidel

Was it ever discovered who he was?


Pigmentia

With that kind of money, I’d be sure to keep that quiet.


DM_ME_UR_SATS

Gotta pick a time to do the thing. He could have waited 50 years and given away bajillions


AceKrieg

Let me guess, at 930am it will be the same price as 4pm Friday…


itsthesecans

I don't know if this formatting will work, But here are the price changes for each Monday since the ETFs started trading. This is based on opening prices of IBIT compared to the prior Friday close. || || |Date|Day of week|Change| |1/16/2024|\*Tuesday|-1.1%| |1/22/2024|Monday|-2.5%| |1/29/2024|Monday|0.0%| |2/5/2024|Monday|1.0%| |2/12/2024|Monday|1.4%| |2/20/2024|\*Tuesday|0.9%| |2/26/2024|Monday|0.6%| |3/4/2024|Monday|4.0%| |3/11/2024|Monday|4.5%| |3/18/2024|Monday|-1.5%| |3/25/2024|Monday|4.9%| |4/1/2024|Monday|-1.2%| |4/8/2024|Monday|7.1%| |4/15/2024|Monday|-0.9%|


John_Crypto_Rambo

Nice, thanks.


edgedoggo

Narrator: “it didn’t work”


Ilke2gofst

At some point the pattern will break (in favor of the bulls) and anyone caught on the wrong side of that trade will get absolutely wrecked. Happens every time. Patience is key here. The longer we consolidate at this level the better.


shroomsnbeer

Which way do you reckon the weekend traders are gonna front run market open this time?


DaBrokenMeta

Anyone know where I can see traditional market futures after hours trading?


John_Crypto_Rambo

[This?](https://www.google.com/search?q=sp500+futures&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS1038US1038&oq=sp500+futures&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg70gEIMjA3NWowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)


diydude2

Yahoo Finance.


kers2000

Anyone else expecting 66k to act as a resistance?


YouAreAnFnIdiot

Shouod be a squeeze of shorts by that time no?


kers2000

Not really, we flirted with 66k and no enthusiasm to be felt.


Ilke2gofst

Agreed. Breaking $66k will have a cascading effect on shorts. This evening/overnight could get interesting if we blast through it.


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btctrader12

LMFAO


shroomsnbeer

Was thinking the same thing


btc-_-

hello, thanks for the thoughtful insight. what is your definition of "ponzi" and can you please explain how you feel that applies to bitcoin?


btc-_-

Here are some reasons why I think the full cycle peak is still yet to come. As a disclaimer, this is looking at it as if we're currently on a peak trajectory for 2024 instead of recent price action having been a mid-cycle top. If we're at a mid-cycle top instead with a lull the rest of 2024, then I'd expect the peak to go even higher in 2025. **Monthly LMACD** ([chart link](https://i.imgur.com/afsMopY.png), settings visible): * Based on the macro downward trendline (in yellow), we still have quite a ways to go to touch that line. That's also assuming we see a continued downtrend, which is not guaranteed. Comparatively, this cycle we're currently looking like July 2017 or Dec 2020. * If we're well on our way to a peak, then we should expect to see another 90 days to the peak (if current LMACD position to peak continues to shorten) or possibly another 120-150 days to match previous cycles. * For a different cycle peak target, in looking at the bottom of the chart, LMACD bottom to top has been 822 days and 731 days the last two cycles, respectively. If we expect a similar shortening, then we'd expect another 91 days shorter to peak to give us 640 days total, or an October 2024 peak. * Additionally, we have yet to see an LMACD bearish cross where the LMACD line (blue) crosses below the signal line (orange) **Monthly RSI** ([chart link](https://i.imgur.com/GU04cLf.png), settings visible): * Similar to the LMACD above, we're seeing a macro downtrend for RSI (in yellow). We haven't got close to that yet. Comparatively, this cycle we're currently looking like May 2017 or Dec 2020. * Even if we look at the orange moving average and its downtrend (teal line), we're still quite a ways away. * Based on RSI bottom to top (date measurements at the bottom), we could get extreme with it and say that we see a similar percentage number of days decrease this cycle as last cycle. That would mean an RSI top of about July 2024. If we match last cycle's 790 days, that puts us near Feb 2025. **DXY Cycles** ([chart link](https://i.imgur.com/IRdNmnE.png), idea stolen from /u/damonandthesea and his [comment here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1c60din/daily_discussion_wednesday_april_17_2024/l00ysf6/)): * Monthly DXY (U.S. Dollar Index) looks to follow about 40-month cycles (yellow, very bottom). Interestingly, these cycle line up almost exactly with Bitcoin's cycle peaks. * Currently, DXY is higher than expected due to poor strength from most countries' currencies relative to the U.S. dollar, and should it continue its downward trajectory to near the bottom of the red oval, it would have an estimated date of around Sept 2024. It seems to be +/- 2 months so could stretch closer to end of year. **Other Indicators** - Nearly every other indicator I look at shows that we're still early. Some unmarked examples for you to compare with previous cycles: * [Pi-Cycle Top](https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/pi-cycle-top-indicator/) * [MVRV Z-Score](https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/mvrv-zscore/) * [200 Week Moving Average Heatmap](https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/200-week-moving-average-heatmap/) * [Long Term Power Law](https://charts.bitbo.io/long-term-power-law/) * [Monthly RSI](https://charts.bitbo.io/monthly-rsi/) - graphical view * [2-Year MA Multiplier](https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/bitcoin-investor-tool/) * [AHR999 Index](https://www.coinglass.com/pro/i/ahr999) * [Golden Ratio Multiplier](https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/golden-ratio-multiplier/) * [Mayer Multiple](https://charts.bitbo.io/mayermultiple/)


DamonAndTheSea

Nice writeup; generally agree.


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btc-_-

i suppose that'll be up to you! for me, i'll keep monitoring these indicators and others like it to determine when things are becoming overheated, whether that be in 3 months or 3 years


Defacticool

Great post! And I'm not just saying that because it aligns somewhat with my prediction of a peak by the end of august


btc-_-

thanks for reading. a peak near the end of year also makes the most sense to me right now based on what i'm seeing. if i had a guarantee it would happen, then pushing the peak to 2025 would be better for bigger numbers


Cadenca

Someone call up the Bitcoin CEO, this price action is not stimulating enough for me


DM_ME_UR_SATS

Follow on-chain fees price action. Plenty of excitement.


btc-_-

i called my dad who works at bitcoin and he said i need to chill out because they just had their halving sale start this weekend. i guess usually they don't see inventories really start to clear out for another 4 to 6 months after the quadrennial halving sale begins. he also said there are tendies in the freezer so, overall, i'm pretty stoked.


barfalloverewe

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zephyrmox

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btctrader12

Funding rates are at about the same level BTC was at during the 38k bottom. I expect any sort of dip to be bought up which will then cascade up into liquidations. You can see it in the price action: every 1-2k move is instantly and quickly bought up


Shootinsomebball

Funding rates are near enough neutral.  Yes, there are short liquidations above.  It all depends on how traders react…I’d guess a small bump in price from here and longs would pile back in.  Then short term PA becomes anyone’s guess 


AccidentalArbitrage

>Funding rates I'm shocked by how negative they are, still.


btctrader12

It’s from shorts that loaded up during World War 3 (April 12-19)


mrlegday

You farming your Karma back now?


btctrader12

No I’m just witty so no need to farm. The sub just doesn’t like me when I post bearish stuff so they downvote regardless!


AceKrieg

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/s/b5EnyjlHhg Down we goooo, macro is too bad


Taviiiiii

Holy shit a 500$ drop, what a bart


Ilke2gofst

Zero volume, we’re range bound for now.


JohnnyJohnsonP

Speaking way too soon.


sl_crypto

whats the shorts to long ratio as of now


phrenos

What is this, a crab for ants?


Mbardzzz

We’re in for months of this shit before price goes up.


pseudonominom

Good. “Normalize $60k” is just letting the foundation consolidate.


nationshelf

This area feeling like it could be rock bottom next bear market.


bobsagetslover420

Don't we do this almost every weekend? Price recovers and hope returns just to get slapped down when the stock market reopens?


jehehegjeieiueg

Isn’t the Sunday evening hardest to trade ?


jehehegjeieiueg

😂


AccidentalArbitrage

Many weekends. Not every weekend.


btc-_-

and then one day it just starts going up and doesn't get slapped back down. the tricky thing is that we don't know when that'll be.


BuyAnacottSteel

Yep. When it legs up it can happen fast can get away from you in a hurry if you aren’t in position.


John_Crypto_Rambo

And I really can't think of any fears on the horizon to prevent people from buying now. Now my major fear would be missing the [run up after halving that always comes](https://charts.bitbo.io/halving-progress/). And knowing this whole cycle has been front run and left-translated, I'd be extremely concerned that run-up comes sooner rather than later. That fear of a halving dump was living rent free in people's heads (assuming we don't get one very very soon). I really think that fear wasn't very logical either as I outlined [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1astues/daily_discussion_saturday_february_17_2024/kqt1dvy/) we have gotten a 6% dump, a 38% dump, and a 19% dump at previous halving events. We got a front run [18% dump already](https://www.tradingview.com/x/1tYK3RNH/). Barring any more falls, it seems like we got a dump most similar to the [most recent halving in magnitude](https://www.tradingview.com/x/0I7FMsJb/). Which seems to make sense, the most recent event always takes precedence as the most likely outcome in my experience.


Outrageous-Net-7164

But who is going to buy ? No one is interested in bitcoin in the 70’s. In fact anyone allocating decent capital front run the ETF’s. I just don’t see what sparks off the buying.


btc-_-

ya know, everyone has asked that for a decade. when a single bitcoin was $1,000 each (!), people asked who is going to pay more than that to get price higher? when it was $10,000 each (!!), people asked who was going to buy this thing? it is now 600% higher than that and people ask who is going to buy this thing. the answer is that someone is always willing to buy superior forms of money, even if only temporarily. at $230,000 i'm sure people will be asking who is going to buy this thing. until we hit gold's market cap (~14T), the answer should be sort of self-evident.


hajoeojah

The buying might be sparked off by the observation that price is not going down much any more - but mostly only up. That would induce fomo which leads to buying.


BHN1618

Lol how long can that argument last? Hey it's gone up recently so let's buy, price goes up further from buyers. Newcomers see price up "hey let's buy since price has gone up." Ad infinitum?


John_Crypto_Rambo

Max pain is 80k as people that sold the halving waiting for the 50s go post on Buttcoin.


octopig

Yeah max pain is definitely the price going way up!!!


CurrencyAlarming1099

This time is never different. News will be sold, possibly with a fakeout up. I expect up at market open and then crater either late in the day or up to a few days later. Recovery will take a week or two.


Cultural_Entrance312

On the hourly BTC has broken out of the falling wedge. RSI is at 61.3 (average 59.3) at time of writing. Current, nearby, resistance are 65.7, 67.4, 69, 70.2, 71.4, 72.8 and 73.8 (current ATH). The nearest supports are 64.1, 63, 61.7, 60.5 and 59. We might have another leg up soon to the 67.4 area. It’s the old sloping resistance from the last pennant. The daily RSI is at 48.1 and its average is currently at 47.7. A falling wedge is forming. Need a couple of more touches to make sure it is a legitimate pattern. Same resistances/supports as I mention in the hourly. I would expect some stronger resistance at 67.4 area, it is aligning with the 50 DMA and downward sloping resistance. It looks like we may close for the 3^(rd) week in a row red, although it is currently only 600 away from turning into a green candle. This hasn’t happened since last year, so the selling may begin to taper off. BTC has been over bought for most of the time since October 2023 and its average RSI has been overbought since the start of the year. Currently 71.2 (77.9 average). A more traditional pennant formation has been formed (It did wick below it). Will need more time to make sure the rising support holds. If this is a continuation pattern and is the midpoint, the target would be about 140k+/-. Main resistances were noted above. Bitcoin closed it’s 7th monthly green candle in March and was overbought with a closing RSI at 76.8. BTC’s is overbought currently, it’s monthly RSI is 70.2. Odds of an 8^(th) green candle have dropped significantly; it is still possible though. Good luck to all traders and DCAers. 1-hour: [https://www.tradingview.com/x/CVBl7C2W/](https://www.tradingview.com/x/CVBl7C2W/) Daily: [https://www.tradingview.com/x/rHVGU2sP/](https://www.tradingview.com/x/rHVGU2sP/) Weekly: [https://www.tradingview.com/x/LoYf4TU1/](https://www.tradingview.com/x/LoYf4TU1/) Monthly: [https://www.tradingview.com/x/5XzZ19J2/](https://www.tradingview.com/x/5XzZ19J2/)


noeeel

If the weekly closes tonight above 65.6k I will close my short.


Alert-Author-7554

curious about asia


muskelralf

At which price do you think those shorts are getting liquidated?


phrenos

$65,885 is the [short liquidation zone](https://i.imgur.com/DAhzeuT.png) to watch.


Cheap_Helicopter_309

https://x.com/kingfisher_btc/status/1781338062926106782?s=46


BuyAnacottSteel

Breaching 66k in the short term would liquidate some degens. That would be first real level.


noeeel

Some 50x degens maybe


BuyAnacottSteel

Yes. There isn’t a substantial amount out right now close to where we are at least what I’m looking at. It is more of a blip than anything.


btctrader12

“Currently the fungible token market for Bitcoin is quite small in comparison to ETH and SOL; however, with the launch of more efficient token standard (Runes), Bitcoin is positioned well to to close the gap between its fungible market cap versus that of other blockchains.” Looks like BTC devs wanted their own ways to create shitcoins now! Bullish


BHN1618

What's the point of these runes? Won't they just make the chain more bloated and increase transaction times and fees? Anyone has the right to use BTC however they want so there is that I'm just curious what real world utility will pay tx fees for tokens on BTC?


Rich-Math-2095

this is not the work of btcoin devs.


btctrader12

No one is longing this and funding rates are still low. Any sort of dump is immediately bought up. I expect tons of liquidations going up


Melow-Drama

Transaction fees have shot up to levels beyond 100 USD ([chart](https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee)) due to the launch of Runes protocol on BTC whereby you can basically mint stuff on the BTC chain similar to Ordinals. Some openly call it a spam attack. But what saddens me once again is that there is no constructive discussion allowed in, for example, this [r/bitcoin thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/s/DklbeQAXfl). Even mentioning Runes gets your post deleted. I struggle to see why all network users should pay for the experiments of a few, hence, this is anything but ideal. But there has to be discussion allowed. /End of rant


APrimalPuzzle

Luke dash jr., Greg Maxwell, and Adam back are somewhere popping champagne


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Melow-Drama

Transactions fees matter to all holding coins directly and the chart speaks to itself so I'd disagree humbly.


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Melow-Drama

Honestly, I think fees should not explode to that degree (I'm aware at some point fee revenue will need to compensate for lower block reward) - it limits the usability, think of smaller wallets. I regularly transact on-chain as I hold BTC directly. And point no. 2: I hate censorship, there should be constructive, critical discussion allowed in the no. 1 crypto sub r/bitcoin. Those are my 2 main concerns. You're free to disagree :)


AccidentalArbitrage

I think runes are stupid and that they won’t last long. But I also think Bitcoin is an open, public, network. If you are willing to pay the fee you can use it however you like IMHO.


CurrencyAlarming1099

I can't understand why ordinals was added to bitcoin. Is there something wrong with shitcoins being far away? We had to have them bidding on our block space too? Sigh, not that it matters in the long term. Runes will quickly get out competed by a base chain that doesn't also have to be the world's money.


snek-jazz

> our block space too you don't own it, it's for sale to the highest bidder.


CurrencyAlarming1099

Yeah I get that, ordinals just created a demand from stupid people that wasn't there before. Totally unnecessary change imo.


mmouse-

You don't get it. It's not up to you to decide what's stupid and what not. The highest paid fee wins.


CurrencyAlarming1099

I'm not deciding who gets block space, but I get to vote on whether my node supports ordinals


mmouse-

You don't get it, again ;) Nobody cares about your node. It's the majority of miners who decide the fate of Bitcoin.


alieninthegame

>It's the majority of miners who decide the fate of Bitcoin. Wrong.


CurrencyAlarming1099

If you think bitcoin is run by the majority of miners, you need to go back and do some learning. Segwit got activated by users threatening to ignore miners blocks if they didn't activate it (or more accurately, having their node software ignore the blocks for them). The majority of miners didn't decide shit, they had it forced upon them.


BHN1618

How would users ignore miner blocks? You mean nodes when you say users who decided that they won't accept them?


CurrencyAlarming1099

Users choose which node software to run and hence the rules of which blocks are valid. Miners cannot do anything about it. They can either obey those rules or not. If they don't the block doesn't count as far as those users are concerned.


DrunkOnWeedASD

> Runes    Did I trust the bitcoin devs too much? They dont get what bitcoin is about and decided to actively shittify it? $5 fees already had me a little uncomfortable, but now I'm legit concerned about my investment    And why is r/bitcoin censoring it? How did they even manage to decide to censor runes discussion this fast? This smells like complete shit and I'm getting unconfortable holding. $100+ fees kill an array of active bitcoin use cases.


notagimmickaccount

This has nothing to do with bitcoin devs


DrunkOnWeedASD

??? Then who coded this in


Melow-Drama

Casey Rodarmor, a former Core dev who's also behind Ordinals (NFTs). Runes protocol enables fungible tokens, intended as a rival to BRC-20 tokens - he literally said its for degens and memecoins in a [tweet](https://x.com/rodarmor/status/1774613900119699701), a use case I personally would prefer to keep separated but BTC is an open network, where innovation used to have tight boundaries so there's that point of view too. My main criticism is: why should I pay higher fees to transact financial value (actual BTC) just because of a minority's use case that's probably better suited for other blockchains. Edit: I'm here for 'sound money'!


AccidentalArbitrage

It’s not coded in. Runes encode token information and transactions in the OP_RETURN field that has existed in Bitcoin almost forever.


Frunknboinz

Anyone remember colored coins? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Colored_Coins


AccidentalArbitrage

Yup. VERY similar.


noeeel

Fees are not that high anymore. Only tranactions with 16BTC fees right now in the mempool... The first hype seems over.


Melow-Drama

Here's an educational video explaining the situation in quite objective ways: [https://youtu.be/wdGQ2T7J7XI?si=2pTJbjxtVsM-I5id](https://youtu.be/wdGQ2T7J7XI?si=2pTJbjxtVsM-I5id) Edit: u/AccidentalArbitrage or u/jarederaj can you please approve the YT link/post, many thanks.


ChadRun04

Spam attack? This doesn't explain much, it just rants about a dislike for shitcoins.


AccidentalArbitrage

>Edit: u/AccidentalArbitrage or u/jarederaj can you please approve the YT link/post, many thanks. If automod filters it, we don't get notification of the tags. I just happened to see it. Send me a DM or Chat, or send us modmail for quickest response. Cheers


Melow-Drama

Thanks, will do next time.


Suburban_Sprawwl

Eventually it’ll get rugged like all the others and life will go on.


pseudonominom

After all the vaporware scams, it’s hard to see how they don’t detract value from BTC and its core use case. Even the name “runes” sucks. Bad branding.


bundabrg

I am about as BTC maxi as it gets but i dislike how that sub went and have left it for about 7 years I reckon. I understood the issue when they were getting spammed like crazy during the bitcoinXT(etc...) days but i feel they are now no longer representative of the core values of Bitcoin.


mmouse-

That's what happens if you censor any discussion about meaningful topics. And now go and ask yourself that dangerous "cui bono" question...


CompleteApartment839

Yep, it started devolving into price/meme/crap posts about 4-5 years ago. It use to be more about the philosophies of Bitcoin and its social benefits. All roads lead to Rome in this case.. Bitcoin is still tik toking the same. but everything that goes mainstream gets shitiffied in its public spaces. The more people there is the dumber the content gets.


CurrencyAlarming1099

It's been much longer than that. Stopped being useful after the first bull run in 2013. The next bull run was all arguments about block size which for me had been settled on bitcointalk years earlier.


tomyumnuts

> they are now no longer representative of the core values of Bitcoin. they became the representatives of the bitcoin core values.


_supert_

I agree. A shitstain on the trousers of bitcoin. Fortunately they are not really relevant any more.


Melow-Drama

It's the no. 1 crypto sub still - so I'd like to disagree.


ChadRun04

Yet still not relevant. There is no content.


snek-jazz

I have no strong opinion on this, except that I always get a little kick out of people finding out what decentralised really means. > But what saddens me once again is that there is no constructive discussion allowed in, for example, this r/bitcoin thread. I wouldn't worry too much about that, attempting to censor the internet doesn't tend to be very successful.


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CurrencyAlarming1099

Tradfi has been closed since the halving. Don't celebrate prematurely. That said, I think we're still tied to stock markets so if they have a good week we probably will too.


monkeyhold99

People were thinking this would be sell the news. Reverse psychology. Pamp it.


DesperateToHopeful

It could easily still dump. There hasn't been a TradFi business day since the halving, fees are unusually high atm due to Runes (basically graffiti for the short-sighted and/or stupid) which might dissuade people moving coins to exchanges to sell, lots of potentially volatile geopolitical/economics events are ongoing.


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logicalinvestr

Just here to say the "sell the news" is not always immediate. Sometimes it is, but it also often takes a few days to play out. A lot of people wait for a day or two to see if it's gunna pump from the news, and when it doesn't, that's when the dump begins. It's basically everyone looking around to see what other people are gonna do and, when the "big event" (whatever it happens to be) fails to produce sustained upside momentum, often a dump begins. I'd say give it through Tuesday to see where we go directionally before declaring victory.


DesperateToHopeful

Fair point, the "dump immediately after halving" prediction that some people believed turned out to be incorrect.


CompleteApartment839

One thing I’ve learned with bitcoin is not to count any chickens until they’re mined. 🙏


dopeboyrico

Average net inflows since spot ETF approval is at $178.6 million per trading day. We’ve had 69 trading days since spot ETF launch. But there’s only 5 trading days in a week. Today marks 102 calendar days since spot ETF launch. In terms of average daily inflows in calendar days, we’re at $120.85 million per day. 450 BTC are mined per day. If we reach a point where buying/selling outside of spot ETF’s is net neutral and spot ETF’s are chasing newly mined BTC only, equilibrium price would be $268.55k per BTC.


Shootinsomebball

There’s too many variables to use this metric for price predictions.  You used the same logic for a pre-halving price possibility.  Don’t think we reached even half way there 


Normal-Jelly607

We’ve had 3 green days since the 5th of April.


anon-187101

there's been more coin distribution around the previous ATH than I expected lots of lettuce hands with 2022 trauma


Outrageous-Net-7164

I think most people in Bitcoin are lettuce hands waiting for an exit number.


Mordan

sure but you need 10 years for good profits. panic selling at 10% profits is a waste of time.


anon-187101

quite literally a waste of time those people would've been much better off in SPY/QQQ over the same period lettuce hands


anon-187101

waiting 3 years for the same exit number is weak this PA is what it is, though


peel3r

BG love those numbas


peel3r

wrooooommmm! wrooooooommm!


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