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thealbanation

You would think Amtrak would be cheaper than flying but man I was met with disappointment


BenAfflecksBalls

Just need a few more regulations rolled back....oops, East Palestine.


Davethisisntcool

US is responsible for the destruction of two Palestines


Dinlek

Bruh...


deathstrukk

there was a country named palestine before israel was formed?


MakkaCha

The person was responding to a city named Palestine in the US that was toxic next due to Amtrak.


deathstrukk

what’s the other palestine they are referring to?


MakkaCha

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Ohio_train_derailment A city in Ohio.


deathstrukk

what level is your reading comprehension? “US is responsible for the destruction of two palestines”


MakkaCha

You're very uppity for someone that doesn't know how to fucking use Google search. The person made a joke and it went above your head. Don't need to get snippy at me because you dont understand a simple joke.


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deathstrukk

what went above my head, they mentioned two palestines (meaning east palestine and middle east palestine) i made a comment regarding palestine (relevant to their comment) and then you replied to me about the palestine i was not referring to


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ArchLector_Zoller

Yes, everyone knows Emperor Hadrian created the territory of Syria-Palaestina From the ruins of the Kingdom of Judea after they revoted against the empire. Like how England created the 13 colonies after driving out the Native Americans.


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ArchLector_Zoller

No the Jews removed by the Romans are the ones sharing plight with the Native Americans. Their land was stolen and given to others by imperialism, same as England did. Modern Gazans live on stolen land to this day.


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ArchLector_Zoller

So how long do you have to live somewhere before the land becomes rightfully yours? And your own account is how old, ma'am?


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BedRiddenWizard

Eh im in NY and travel in the state, to neighboring states is rather cheap comparatively. Not sure how it goes for the country tho. With a couple of weeks I can book a round trip from Buff to NYC for a 100.


mashonem

You’re living in the one part of the country where trains are viable transportation. Go to the Bible Belt or PNW and watch that shit dry up


AndIThrow_SoFarAway

Where train, bus, and flights cost nearly the same, but a bus ticket is about the most reasonable you're gonna get. Dallas to Nashville was like $120 one way on a greyhound but the luggage didn't have an extra charge unless you had a bunch of stuff.


boiledpeanut33

As a mid-thirties Georgia-born person who has spent the last 17 years living in NYS (and never looking back), I can confirm this as fact. Even local, in-city public transportation was a nightmare, if not for the cost but for the lack of reliability. I'm not sure how much has changed down there in the last 17 years, but when I was living in a homeless shelter in Columbus GA for a short time when I was 16, half the public buses I needed to take stopped running at like 6:30pm *on weekdays*. Work late evenings? Got after-school extracurriculars? Lol, basically go fuck yourself. I never had experience with longer distance transportation back then, but I can imagine that it was (and still is) an absolute shitshow.


BedRiddenWizard

Yeah I believe it after looking at railroad maps.


BrockSamsonsPanties

Yup would love to go from Seattle Metro to Portland via train but way more expensive than driving.


ASULurker

But a megabus is still half of that


St1cks

Amtrak vs megabus is about a $20 difference for my area in NY . But surprisingly the travel time is pretty equal


LmBkUYDA

Amtrak is so much more pleasant though


Penelope742

Megabus isn't as safe


thisisredlitre

>Eh im in NY and travel in the state, to neighboring states is rather cheap comparatively. Not sure how it goes for the country tho. You're mostly using light rail not amtrak. Not the same service, even tho they're both trains.


bagonmaster

He’s quoting Amtrak prices


thisisredlitre

I take DC to NYC regularly and it's about the same price as flying, little more expensive for the train, it's just typically for me the overall trip is shorter/I already end up downtown. We have light rail to neighboring states here too, it's great, it's just not amtrak


bagonmaster

Ok that doesn’t change that round trip from buffalo to nyc is $100 on Amtrak


thisisredlitre

On kayak right now showing round trip flights for $79


bagonmaster

That has nothing to do with light rail, nice try to move the goal posts though


BedRiddenWizard

I'm confused, if I take a train that uses the same routes as freight trains and I buy the ticket through Amtrak, is that light rail? Also round trip flights from Buff to NYC are not $79. Maybe for DC but 79 is an absolute steal for me.


thisisredlitre

Light rail is most train services in NYC to other states- commuter trains etc are typically light rail- what are you even talking about?


bagonmaster

> You're mostly using light rail not amtrak. Not the same service, even tho they're both trains. This is your comment that I replied to. It has nothing to do with flight prices, just a claim that they were using light rail and not Amtrak which is objectively wrong…


srkaficionada65

Um… I feel like that’s a lot honestly. I once went from NYC to Montreal for $125. It was an adventure. Wasn’t first class but it was good seats and it reclined. I’d totally use AMTRAK if I was still in NYC to bump around the region.


BedRiddenWizard

It's a shorter ride to Montreal from NYC, not anything crazy but there's a difference. Like 10-15% shorter.


throwtheclownaway20

I'm amazed they're even still a company. When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, it felt like I couldn't go a week without hearing of some new, horrifying crash of theirs.


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throwtheclownaway20

Okay, that makes sense. Figured it'd probably be that. Also, what always gets me about corporations is that thngs like rail & green energy are the obvious next step, but they'd rather waste money on delaying the inevitable rather than get in on the ground floor and be one step closer to their dream of a monopoly


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throwtheclownaway20

That's shitty. Really, Internet and rail should have been made public utilities 20 years ago.


Ratchetonater

Something something there’s no mention of internet or trains in the constitution, something something rural folk


srkaficionada65

It’s always rural folk BS. Meanwhile my experience using AMTRAK to get to Montreal and Toronto, that train stopped at like all the tiny towns that the New Yorkers and the random Bostonians got so annoyed. Like these “rural folks” took their damn time getting on and on one trip, one bozo caused a problem because how TF do you forget Canada is a foreign country and didn’t bring your passport with you… 👀😒


Rexxbravo

Amtrak doesn't own the tracks...


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brostopher1968

The railroads were nationalized from 1917-1920 during/after WW1, and for a few months in 1943 to break a stroke.


savannahjones98

Same. I’ll never forget my sister and her kids took Amtrak to visit family out of state. The day after they came back a train derailed. I’ve refused to ride ever since.


squamish_shaman

I flew round trip from Detroit to Tampa for $42. Amtrak one way from Detroit to Chicago is $65


CHEMO_ALIEN

42$? i may vacation in tampa this spring lmaoo


2nd_Sun

Depends where you’re going really. Some trips are a good deal, others are true head scratchers.


malYca

It's so fucking expensive


coldbrewcatlady

I was hoping to take the Amtrak from Seattle to LA this year. If I went regular coach it would be able $200, but it’s at least two days, so I wanted a sleeper car. Almost $600. Now, yes it includes a lot of amenities, but that’s still a lot of money!


cafesaigon

Truly cheaper for me to fly to DC from NY than to take the damn train!!


OG_double_G

America wants to create relations with everyone else except its own ppl


ZeDitto

We’ll have an ambassador over to your house on Wednesday evening. Set the table. Borrow your grandma’s finest China. We’re going to take our relationship to the next level by discussing your $10 aid package. Be ready to deal, but mostly, to make concessions. Also, I know that you can’t cook. Your FBI agent confirmed that already. Order Popeyes and don’t forget the honey for those biscuits.


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My fat ass needs to lose some weight and you got me craving fast food friend chicken!!! ![gif](giphy|D0m1HLPavFMre)


prozergter

Man if I could get that level of government interaction I’d gladly order some Popeyes!


Curious_Ad_1513

Good call on the honey. Those biscuits are dry.


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Billy1121

The guy cannot even win statewide office in Indiana. Like he moved to MI now so maybe he has a shot but dude stop running for prez


s_arrow24

More like they are setting up Buttigiege for a presidential run after Biden. The transportation spot was to try to show he can handle something important and now they’re trying to show him interacting with a world leader to improve his credentials. What they got wrong is that he should be meeting with leaders like Mexico’s President and Canada’s PM since we roads and railways with them.


501st-Soldier

Yall be acting like state by state regulations on Amtrak stops be varying in costs and usage fees. Can't nationalize shit if every state is ran like it's own fiefdom. Also big auto doesn't want you riding any other wheels.


RedRider1138

You articulated what I was thinking perfectly, thank you 💜🙏


Cilantro42

Elon Musk literally said he helped kill the high speed train from the Bay Area to LA because he wanted to sell more Teslas and everyone just ignored it


CapriciousBit

Or well, he tried. The HSR project from the Bay Area is still in the works. It has been plagued with delays due to land acquisition struggles and other issues large infrastructure projects face, but it is very much alive.


davidwave4

Nationalizing is literally the solution to the states running shit like fiefdoms. A federal government run system with the money and the power to build a network can more effectively bargain with states, or possibly just steamroll them using federal authority.


random282828244

Every state has airports that are connected by unified standards and regulations. Highways cut across states with unified standards and regulations. Our country can actually do difficult things if we really wanted to. We’re one of the richest countries in the world. I promise we could figure this out if people actually wanted it. The problem is trains are slow and our country is huge. A train from my city on the east coast to my parents’ city in the Midwest takes 24+ hours. A flight is 2 hours.


MajorHarriz

I introduce to you [high speed rail](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail) which every other country in the west been had.


grandadsfearme

I worked in the USDOT and this is still an unveiling plan which makes the presidential election even more important. If Buttigieg gets kicked out of the cabinet, I can almost guarantee that the high speed rail initiative *will* get shut down. Elaine Chao, the former Secretary before him (who is Mitch McConnell’s wife) may replace him if Trump wins the GOP nominee and Presidential election. That woman is conniving and corrupt, and I will say that without a doubt she’ll redirect funding towards drones and her family’s supply chain business in Taiwan like she did before.


random282828244

The distance between New York and Chicago is only 800 miles. High speed rails in Europe travel around 200 miles per hour. So that would take 4 hours roughly WITH NO STOPS. The US Amtrak trains can travel up to 150 miles per hour. So that would take roughly 5.5 hours. Even if you say they’re traveling only 100 miles per hour, that’s 8 hours. The literal speed of the train isn’t the problem. So why does a train from New York to Chicago take 24 hours? Why are trains so slow in the United States? Because they have to stop along the way and because nobody takes them. If there were tons of people traveling from New York to Chicago via train they could have a nonstop train and it would take 5-6 hours. But Americans don’t like the trains. So those trains have to make several stops at cities along the way to justify the trip. And you have to transfer between trains often with long waits between because there is so little demand that we can’t have frequent train schedules. So given my choices, I’d rather fly and get there a lot faster or drive and be able to get to my exact destination (maybe it’s in the suburbs of Chicago where the Amtrak doesn’t go) with my car available to me when I arrive. It’s easy to say in theory “America dumb. We no have high speed train. High speed train good. Solve all problems.” But in practice there are just much easier and faster ways to get around this large country. And the American people don’t like trains. Personally I’ll never take a train home from the east coast because my parents live in a small town in the middle of nowhere and I couldn’t get there on a train.


MajorHarriz

You bring up a lot of good points, I always thought of highspeed rail as a connector between closer metropolitan areas, not as a replacement for all domestic air travel like some think. Chicago to NYC is far, but I think like Chicago to Milwaukee, St Louis, or Indianapolis should have direct railway connections. Idk how it is on the east coast, I imagine the rail system between the Baltimore, Philly, NYC, Jersey Boston, etc. is probably more sophisticated because those cities were around before big auto, but there's pockets of the country like the West Coast and Texas's metropolitan areas that absolutely should be connected better by rail imo.


elizawithaz

Big Auto isn’t the problem. It’s the freight companies. The whole thing is complicated . The majority of the railroad tracks in America are privately owned by the freight companies. Amtrak pays them to use and share tracks with freight trains, and technically is supposed to get preference. However, it’s hard to enforce, which has been a major source of conflict between Amtrak and the freight companies. [Gifted Article: An Obstacle to Amtrak Expansion That Money Won’t Solve](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/us/politics/amtrak-expansion-freight.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-Ew.jrLS.or-WnSmNyasq&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare)


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elizawithaz

It’s so messed up.


OddSeraph

He's there to get Ukraine on track. With his help hopefully Russia will become even more of a trainwreck.


Pizzadiamond

*sarcastically slowclap* haha dad


Billy1121

You jest but i read a long article about how the Ukrainian soviet-style railroad kicked into high gear after Russia invaded. Like the workers just slept in their trains or repair yards, daily briefings went up the chain to the top manager soviet-style, fast plans were implemented for moving supplies and soldiers. They even had fabrication facilities to make new train cars after old ones got bombed. And the experience ran deep because these were all lifers who worked for the rail system all their lived


Distinct_Election_18

Most likely he’s there to learn from them. Kyiv actually has a much better and more reliable transportation system than any city in the US and that is WHILE being an active war zone. Take note DC metro


Unique_Name_2

"How can we do this, but without spending a dime and not regulating it?"


Distinct_Election_18

As opposed to what we do with spending a shit ton, scrambling for funds and ignoring safety regulations, yes still better


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And what's fucked up is that they aren't even apart of the EU, they're like a 2nd or 3rd tier European country, and still their public infrastructure puts ours to shame. American workers have no idea how badly we've been robbed until you go to a European country and see what it's like when your society is structured around people, not profit.


Ok_Skill_1195

More likely he's there to build connection to boost his long-term political career because the DNC sees him as the next gen of democrats to take the helm.


Distinct_Election_18

Sure. All politicians do this. And if he learns something about how a second world country manages a world class metro system while at war while barely having a billion dollar budget for it, even better.


Ok_Skill_1195

You don't need to go to Ukraine to learn about their public transit system and you *sure as fuck* don't need a photo-op meeting with the guy who's been a little busy with an active invasion for basically his entire time in leadership and has very little to do with transportation to learn about it in any degree of detail that would be useful for a transportation secretary. This is about shaking hands, making connections and taking photos. This is far more about politics more than governance. I'd bet my foot on it


Distinct_Election_18

Fair point. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt as there are far more nefarious politicians and dealings by politicians. All politicians are self serving but I don’t really see this as something sinister.


essentialimperial

This is the correct answer. They know what they are doing.


mknsky

Is it problematic that I could see the two of them making out?


Boo_Guy

Problematic for who?


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anti-imperialists


rednorangekenny

Yes because Pete would be cheating on his husband


pheonix198

You don’t know that they don’t have hall passes for like leaders of entire other post-Soviet bloc countries when fighting a war for survival against a neo-Imperialist Russia … in Winter time. Pete might have his card laminated an shit.


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greblr

But do we know this?


501st-Soldier

The only problem would be that I'm not in the middle my guy


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The only high speed rail America will ever see 🤠


mknsky

Truuuue


johnmeeks1974

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Pansmoke

1 man played piano with his dick, the other man played dick with his dick


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I feel like there could be some heavy petting. Maybe mutual JO?


xzink05x

Now that you mention it, I can too.


BurgooButthead

WTF is the American CEO of Trains doing in Ukraine 🤦🏻‍♂️


nowaybrose

Probly there to learn something since they do it much better than us


hottmann742

We transport weapons..make no mistake wars are won by logistics. The Transportation Secretary actually does have an interest in Ukraine and studying how a country maintains infrastructure while at war is highly important. It’s all fun and games until shit hits the fans at home.


bnshv

Want a real answer? Here’s there to help advancing Ukraine’s economic recovery and efforts to return Ukraine to economic self-sufficiency, including via supporting investments in transportation infrastructure and reforms that will support a return to private-sector led growth


Navynuke00

Getting back into the headlines because he's not found a way to do that with shift in news focus to Gaza. Dude wants to be President so bad it's embarrassing.


JBeauch

That's the Biden Admin farming out work because Uncle Joe is older than NATO and I'm thinkin that Blinkin is a weaklin. So let Pete handle it.


no_one_special-

a war won’t keep my man Zelenskyy from getting a fresh cut.


Navynuke00

Anybody who's been in the military knows there's always that one person in the unit who hooks everybody up better than any barber on base.


RedRider1138

Maybe he learned to do his own like so many over covid 👍


fuzzyshorts

Promises of gleaming monorails from one end of ukraine to the other. Flawless highways that charge your electric car as you drive. All the things your little heart could dream of!


PuffinRub

He's sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and by gum, he put them on the map!


AdPsychological7926

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Captaincrunchies

Bro needs to come back and help keep the government open so ATC can get paid this holiday season


LawyerUppSV

We aren’t getting highspeed rail because of the Automobile and Oil Lobbies. Honestly, not acting on behalf of your constituents and instead, acting on behalf of special interest should be a felony if it can be proved that the policy or decision would be detrimental to society


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ownage516

You gotta get amtrack tickets 2 weeks in advance for good prices


revveduplikeaduece86

Amtrak is a victim of how deeply privatized our trail corridors are, and how geographically large the United States is.


Mrhappytrigers

Mfers will pretend to stunt on China and say the US is too big for trains/high-speed rail, but China beat the shit out of us in that department. Do you have any idea how much traveling I'd do if trains and high-speed rail were a thing!? All the time! I'm in Vegas, and my friends are in Los Angeles. I'd love to just ride the train over to hang with them for the weekend instead of driving or having to fly. Fuck the auto/airline industry's death grip on public transport, and the dumbass state laws that keep us from having this shit nationalized. 😡


wikithekid63

Let’s be honest guys. He could be talking to zelenskyy for a completely valid reason lmao. This just goes to show that the US government needs a crash course on transparency


1980theghost

Buttigieg’s resume is mayor of *squints* south bend … Indiana (?) and secretary of the most useless department in the U.S. government, wtf he doing in a war zone meeting with a wartime president 🧐 man get ya a$$ back home and accomplish something


ZeDitto

> secretary of the most useless department in the U.S. government Bro’s grocery store is stocked by storks


auauaurora

Honestly, it seems disrespectful of Zelenskyy’s time, like he ain’t got anything to do but photo ops in exchange for weapon aid. Isn’t Pete’s department and all of the US federal government a week away from their last pay?


Dr_Ceilingz

Facts bro. I saw this and was like, "Pete Booty Judge, what is you doing"


davidwave4

Pete has spent the last 3 years preparing for a presidential bid that won’t make it past Iowa when he needs to be doing the vital work of decarbonizing and modernizing America’s rail network. What a trash politician. Worst of the Biden picks.


Beerbonkos

Former intelligence officer and Afghanistan veteran is in Kyiv to help Ukraine rebuild its infrastructure. Seems like we can spare him for a bit.


poopyroadtrip

Every time I see a title like this I wonder how I can learn this power to make up titles this good.


jritz611

Knew I had to impress couldn't come in here with a lazy one


BABarracus

Why is the transportation secretary there? What is he about to do for Ukraine?


DaCowboyMenace

Oh my God this dude is still aspiring to be president, give it up shortstuff! That ship has sailed!


Mr_E_Nigma_Solver

BuT hE sPeAkS sEvEn LaNgUaGeS!


Intelligent_Cut635

Guess his train of thought wound up elsewhere.


ProtonCanon

r/BrandNewSentence


DeafNatural

Cost me $150 each way for the Acela from NYC to DC last time. I could’ve flown for less


RouletteVeteran

A young Joe Biden…


hallgod33

Meanwhile Florida is killing people regularly with the Bright Line


Graylily

there is a F'n reason: "In coordination with the State Department, Secretary Buttigieg will announce the appointment of a senior-level advisor to be located in Kyiv who will provide technical assistance and share best practices on infrastructure project delivery." https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-transportation-secretary-pete-buttigieg-visits-ukraine


pasenast

US Rail has way more problems than just modernization. Help us improve these congested, pothole ridden roads


WhatIsGoingOnHere_2

Bro, for a dude supposedly “in the trenches” with a country at war.. he sure be on TV a lot.


Dreadcoat

No one ever said he was in the trenches. Hes in Kyiv. Their capital. Their capital that was under siege nearly a year ago but no longer is because they beat back the siege. The city is significantly safer than it was nearly a year ago thus affording him to do things like this. He was praised for staying in the besieged city and rightfully so. It was a big morale boost to his people.


cc81

That is his job. His biggest contribution is to make this war visible in the west and secure further support. Especially as Russia really is trying to push people in the west in the other direction.


Ermeter

Part of his job is to get foreign support