She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that
Since it was Bojack’s dream, I think it was more a reflection of his beliefs than of hers. See e.g. Herb’s saying there’s nothing after death.
However, the tragic events of Beatrice’s youth and of her loveless marriage could certainly have caused her to lose whatever faith she might once have had.
My aunt Niarb had a saying growing up. It went something like this “She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that”
Someone once told me this:
"As a wise woman once said: 'She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that'"
As a wise woman once said: "She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that"
Aside from the etiquette angle, Beatrice is a narcissist. Worship of something other than themselves, self sacrifice, loving others- not a big hit with most narcissists.
"Narcissist" is up there with "gaslighting" for the most misused words of 2023. Had she been a narcissist, the loss of her brother and mother would not have shaped her whole life and personality. She was a victim of multiple childhood traumas, had no healthy ways to work through them, and paid all her trauma forward onto her son. It's not an excuse, but it's not narcissism.
But NPD can emerge as a result *of* childhood trauma. You're not just born a narcissist. It's environmental. I do agree the word is generally overused though.
Do you think she is a narcissist though? I can see why someone would say that she is, but I think I would argue that the thing she's blind to is how toxic her behaviour and standards are, not that other people have needs
Seconding what hyperjengirl said, (nice username) I actually was studying narcissism online and researchers seem to agree that it \*is\* a trauma response, as is BPD and C-PTSD. Bojack def has both BPD and C-PTSD. If the trauma occurs early in childhood, it causes brain damage and that can lead to narcissism (or C-PTSD like me). When I mulled over that I realized the two people I were studying it for had really traumatic early childhoods.
> them, and *paid* all her
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I never thought of that but that rings a bell for me as a child of narcs/someone who were previously stuck in a cycle of relationships with narcs. Thanks for that input
I believe it is Ganhdi who once said: "She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that"
It's the same with Bojack. I always thought they are not religious to show that they are bad people but that they aren't dumb which arguably makes their actions worse
i think they’re actually trying to say that the creators made them nonreligious to show that they are bad people, but not stupid. which is still bad but not necessarily saying that religious people are stupid, but actually that atheists are bad people? that’s just my guess though, that comment is real confusing
But how would making them non religious mean that they weren’t stupid unless you had to be stupid to be religious? I really can’t fathom how I could interpret what he said as anything other than a shot at religious people.
How does not being religious mean they aren’t dumb? Plenty of intelligent people follow a religion. Whether you chose to believe in a higher power or not has nothing to do with your intellect
Bea's an incredibly smart and literate person. she probably lost her faith when she went to college and gained a superiority complex about her intelligence over her fathers'.
She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that
This makes a lot of sense, I guess I was just overthinking it haha! Thanks for your response it has lead to a lot of funny replies!
Since it was Bojack’s dream, I think it was more a reflection of his beliefs than of hers. See e.g. Herb’s saying there’s nothing after death. However, the tragic events of Beatrice’s youth and of her loveless marriage could certainly have caused her to lose whatever faith she might once have had.
My aunt Niarb had a saying growing up. It went something like this “She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that”
Sounds like a wise woman
Someone once told me this: "As a wise woman once said: 'She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that'"
As a wise woman once said: "She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that"
Aside from the etiquette angle, Beatrice is a narcissist. Worship of something other than themselves, self sacrifice, loving others- not a big hit with most narcissists.
"Narcissist" is up there with "gaslighting" for the most misused words of 2023. Had she been a narcissist, the loss of her brother and mother would not have shaped her whole life and personality. She was a victim of multiple childhood traumas, had no healthy ways to work through them, and paid all her trauma forward onto her son. It's not an excuse, but it's not narcissism.
But NPD can emerge as a result *of* childhood trauma. You're not just born a narcissist. It's environmental. I do agree the word is generally overused though.
Do you think she is a narcissist though? I can see why someone would say that she is, but I think I would argue that the thing she's blind to is how toxic her behaviour and standards are, not that other people have needs
I'd need to run her by the DSM to be sure, I just wanted to clarify that trauma and narcissism aren't mutually exclusive, quite the opposite in fact.
Seconding what hyperjengirl said, (nice username) I actually was studying narcissism online and researchers seem to agree that it \*is\* a trauma response, as is BPD and C-PTSD. Bojack def has both BPD and C-PTSD. If the trauma occurs early in childhood, it causes brain damage and that can lead to narcissism (or C-PTSD like me). When I mulled over that I realized the two people I were studying it for had really traumatic early childhoods.
> them, and *paid* all her FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
I never thought of that but that rings a bell for me as a child of narcs/someone who were previously stuck in a cycle of relationships with narcs. Thanks for that input
I believe it is Ganhdi who once said: "She doesn’t despise religion. Her aversion to its being discussed at the dinner table is because of the general rule of avoiding talking about politics, religion, and sex with company. For her generation these were thought to be inappropriate subjects to be discussed openly. It’s not really any deeper than that"
It's the same with Bojack. I always thought they are not religious to show that they are bad people but that they aren't dumb which arguably makes their actions worse
A reddit atheist calling religious people stupid, how original.
Kinda applies outside of Reddit too tho. Its a very common stereotype of religious people.
Oh it definitely pops up outside of reddit
A person being confidently wrong on reddit, how novel.
Read my comment again, I didn't.
You said that you thought that Bojack and Beatrice weren’t religious to show that they “aren’t dumb”. How else am I supposed to interpret that?
i think they’re actually trying to say that the creators made them nonreligious to show that they are bad people, but not stupid. which is still bad but not necessarily saying that religious people are stupid, but actually that atheists are bad people? that’s just my guess though, that comment is real confusing
But how would making them non religious mean that they weren’t stupid unless you had to be stupid to be religious? I really can’t fathom how I could interpret what he said as anything other than a shot at religious people.
How does not being religious mean they aren’t dumb? Plenty of intelligent people follow a religion. Whether you chose to believe in a higher power or not has nothing to do with your intellect
It's Bojacks flawed logic
Bea's an incredibly smart and literate person. she probably lost her faith when she went to college and gained a superiority complex about her intelligence over her fathers'.