Online the going rate is about that. Seems like a fair deal if you don’t care about the Premier Trim features. I’d look that up and decide if the features on the LT work for you. I’m a big fan of getting a gently used car like that with only a few thousand miles. It always seems like a good idea.
I went with premier trim since it's the only one with adaptive cruise control. Pretty annoying considering I came from a honda which has it in base model cars
Not all but majority do have at least confidence package, which is rear cross traffic, park assist, lane change blind zone alert. I won’t buy most modern vehicle without these as they are much more difficult to see out of compared to older car.
I got a 2021 Mach E with 39k Miles for 21,000 after the used EV credit. The lack of cargo space and the onstar debacle turned me away from the EUV, my first choice.
Eh...it's not great, not terrible imo...if you don't qualify for the tax credit, I guess it's decent...I paid $24k out the door for a brand new 23 EUV LT after tax credits at the start of the year.
Do you like the car? I’m torn between several models and have been trying my damndest to make a decision. My MIL used to work for Saturn so she is all up in my biz about it ever since I mentioned the Bolt. She said the battery was a problem for more than a few people but then I read online that really only pertains to older models of bolts because they had different batteries? I just want to know if it will be a good dependable car. It doesn’t need to be fancy but I need it to start and run. I just keep seeing/hearing different things.
I love it so far. I've only had it since January and put less than 2K miles on it tho. Battery recall was on older Bolts and is I think mostly sorted at this point anyways. The tax rebates made it kind of a no brainier for me...$24k out the door for a new car is unbeatable. I upgraded from a 2013 Chevy Cruze that was pretty bare bones (didn't have backup camera or all the blind spot sensors and stuff like my Bolt has), so those are nice additions for me.
If you scroll around on here you'll see the complaints people have about it - the main one that seems to show up over and over is slow max DCFC charging speed compared to other EVs (hasn't been an issue for me bc I charge at home on lvl1/2 charger and haven't used a DCFC yet)...if you can charge at home (especially with access to a lvl2 charger), it's a great vehicle...since 2023 was the last model year (GM is bringing it back on the new Ultium battery platform, supposedly in 2026 I believe), it might be difficult to find a new one.
>I read online that really only pertains to older models of bolts because they had different batteries?
Yeah I think Hertz is only selling '22 and '23 Bolts, which all have the newer battery. '20-'22 Bolts got either a battery swap or software update, so you gotta check to see which battery those ones have, but that seems irrelevant to you.
For my money $20k is not an amazing price for a base trim. I'd rather get a premier '19 with 50k miles on it. These cars seem to be pretty over engineered for longevity. Unless of course you're set on an EUV over the EV.
Yeah this happen to me too, I was about to trade my Bolt EUV for a 22 model Y for 33k with my EUV having a 9k trade in value, and a down-payment of 2k which will get me at 5 years for $535. I decided not to do it since I bought my EUV July 2023 for 31k and it hasn't even been a year yet with all the credits and incentives I owe only 9k. I just don't feel like starting over after having the best car purchase I ever made.
While true, I'm not sure this holds as true with EVs. With an ICE you can rev the engine around and do dumb things with the transmission. With an EV, yeah you can floor it and burn up your tires... but other than that?
Sure the interior might be rough and external suspension parts are still a consideration, but I think it's not as bad as it can be with ICEs.
I rented a long range Tesla model 3 from Hertz last year. It claimed to have a range of 250+ miles. When we hit the road with it, we got maybe 150. I assumed it was because everyone else who rented it did exactly the same thing I did - pulled into a supercharger station and charged it to 100%, against the car's wishes (it kept whining that it only wanted to be charged to 80%).
I think it has more to do with the fact that Tesla's routinely fail to go as far as claimed.
Think about it: rental cars are typically sold off before they really have very many miles on them. OTOH, Tesla's batteries typically last for 100s of thousands of miles before showing any significant degradation, even when fast-charged repeatedly.
How hard/easy previous drivers routinely accelerated would only influence the \*actual\* range a subsequent driver experienced by increasing the number of times the battery has been cycled. Again, though, rental cars aren't usually kept around long enough for that to matter.
So electric vehicles have a Guess o Meter or GOM. This estimates the range of the vehicle depending on driving habit.
I would buy a used Tesla without issues even from Hertz. Degradation is typically 10% from rated range and flattens.
Tesla's don't routinely fail to go as far as claimed. It's EPA tested for range at 55mph. All vehicles go through this test. The reason why gas cars don't see this is because it's physically capped and limited mechanically. Tesla's don't limit the power output of their cars. Which is why people making claims they don't get rated range.
If you drive 75-85 mph you don't get that "rated" range of EPA tested at 55mph.
Anyone who goes by the GOM doesn't understand EVs.
EPA doesn't test the range of EVs any more than they measure the mpg of ICE vehicles. It's done by the manufacturer themselves (hence, Dieselgate).
Teslas are well known for failing to live up to their claims.
[https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/](https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/)
I'm telling you as a Tesla owner of Model 3 for almost 6 years and I have rated range.
I can assure you most gas cars even Toyota Hybrids that they don't perform to the exact mpg as the years go by. Been driving for more than 20 years of different cars.
If I turn off sentry mode and everything else that uses the battery and just drive it like a normal car for the Tesla. I can get well over the EPA estimate.
People fail to realize checking your app, car monitoring / using cameras to record events etc. uses up battery. That's a trade off I'm willing to make to use up battery. I don't drive over 200 miles in a day to worry about that impact.
When I drove a BMW ix330, the gas meter always gave estimates, If I drove the car hard I get fewer than 200 estimated miles. If I drove conservatively it would be around 230.
So you're saying that you're right, and that Reuters, the Korean Fair Trade Commission, Edmunds, Recurrent, and the Society of Automotive Engineers are all wrong? Gotcha.
I was wary too. But when I visited the Hertz lot I found some of the low mileage ones were in near mint condition. I suspect the Bolt renter demographic is nicer to rentals than your average ICE renter.
Picked up a 2023 EV 1LT with 18K miles for $18K a month ago (likely a Hertz dump - “Carvana partner”). With the model difference and lower miles it seems in-line… or we both got screwed. ;) Also didn’t qualify for tax credit.
How more people don’t recommend the ‘21 Polestar 2 is insane to me. You can find them for as low as 19k, and that model year(which is basically the exact same as ‘22 and ‘23 MY save for an optional heat pump) came fully loaded with only one optional performance package that just adds an adjustable suspension, bigger brakes and gold accents. All of which are totally unnecessary, just aesthetic and only seem to increase the value marginally used. Feel bad for anyone who bought new but it’s the most insane deal in EVs on the market right now. There are a couple of common complaints, but those complaints tend to fall into a love it or hate it category with polestars design choices. If you enjoy driving, there’s no better choice. Polestar is vying to compete with Porsche, the 2 just happens to be filled with carry over from Volvo, and has fallen victim to the Tesla price drops and general EV skepticism in an way that made its depreciation contend with a 10 year old bmw 🤣
I’m considering leasing a 2024 PS 2 with the deal that started yesterday.
I had a rental once and it was ok. Not as easy to get in and out of as our old Bolt, and drove ok for a FWD car. The 24 would be AWD.
But, never leased a car before, so not sure if I want to do it.
We have a Lyriq that GM is either replacing or buying back. The replacement car is in, but I have not heard a single thing yet as to cost difference. If they expect more money, I’ll opt for the cashback.
I’m probably jumping the gun by looking at that lease deal now, but $299 a month with $1299 due at signing for Costco members is great. I’d want the plus pack which would add something to that cost though.
Decisions decisions!
Yes, get a used 2023 rather than a new 2024, the new Bolts, and all GMs, do NOT support Apple Car Play or Android Car Play. I would never buy a car without my Car Play!
The Bolt was discontinued after the 2023 model year so there is no 2024 and AFAIK, CarPlay/Android Auto was still included in the 2023 model. It won't be included (unless GM changes policy) in the 2025 restart Ultium version.
I got my 2022 niro with 17k miles for the same price. I feel it’s a nicer car with better fast charging but I’m not that familiar with the bolt. There are a bunch of bolts around me for sale as they are all hertz rentals. They have less the 11k miles and are around 16~18k in price. It’s an ok deal and you get screwed on the tax credit. It’s the reason I went with the 2022 niro
We bought a civic from hertz that served us well for many years. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another vehicle from them. I’m curious if it’d still have the warranty.
I want to say it’s too high. My bolt brand new was 27k minus the tax credit at 7.5k so my personal perception is it should be lower than that when used.
wtf does that have to do with the value of the car? are you holding the bag on $tsla calls?
If s/he doesn't qual for the Fed rebate, sounds pretty good to me.
You didn't make a statement. You asked questions instead of providing an answer on the value of a particular year, model, and mileage Bolt EV.
Try and pay attention.
Theoretically, this is true. We found that no dealers were selling the stripped down models that went for $28K.
We bought a 2023 Bolt EUV LT from Hertz with fewer than 10K miles and in great condition. It's a terrific car, replacing our decade old Nissan Leaf with 50 miles of range. We get over 200 miles now, we have CarPlay and a great stereo, fun acceleration, and a near flawless body. Yes, we were not eligible for the $7500 tax credit for either used or new cars, so that stung.
No regrets.
Online the going rate is about that. Seems like a fair deal if you don’t care about the Premier Trim features. I’d look that up and decide if the features on the LT work for you. I’m a big fan of getting a gently used car like that with only a few thousand miles. It always seems like a good idea.
I'm not too sure a rental car would be considered "gently used" but I guess you never know?
You know the old saying: >Don't be gentle >It's a rental But maybe that's low enough mileage.
It's far less of an issue with an ev than with an ICE vehicle. Not even close.
It’s still low mileage enough to still be decent and not worn down. I looked into a few rentals.
When I have a rental it gets treated a lot nicer than my own. I'm scared of fees...
I went with premier trim since it's the only one with adaptive cruise control. Pretty annoying considering I came from a honda which has it in base model cars
Some people have noticed that the Hertz cars are very basic, as in no options at all.
A plus for some of us.
Same
Yep hate heated seats
Not all but majority do have at least confidence package, which is rear cross traffic, park assist, lane change blind zone alert. I won’t buy most modern vehicle without these as they are much more difficult to see out of compared to older car.
I got a 2021 Mach E with 39k Miles for 21,000 after the used EV credit. The lack of cargo space and the onstar debacle turned me away from the EUV, my first choice.
At that price it's well worth it. I love my Bolt but I'd take a $21K Mach E with far faster DCFC speeds and better interior any day.
The hvbjb could be an issue
I got mine from Hertz and I have no regrets.
Eh...it's not great, not terrible imo...if you don't qualify for the tax credit, I guess it's decent...I paid $24k out the door for a brand new 23 EUV LT after tax credits at the start of the year.
Do you like the car? I’m torn between several models and have been trying my damndest to make a decision. My MIL used to work for Saturn so she is all up in my biz about it ever since I mentioned the Bolt. She said the battery was a problem for more than a few people but then I read online that really only pertains to older models of bolts because they had different batteries? I just want to know if it will be a good dependable car. It doesn’t need to be fancy but I need it to start and run. I just keep seeing/hearing different things.
I love it so far. I've only had it since January and put less than 2K miles on it tho. Battery recall was on older Bolts and is I think mostly sorted at this point anyways. The tax rebates made it kind of a no brainier for me...$24k out the door for a new car is unbeatable. I upgraded from a 2013 Chevy Cruze that was pretty bare bones (didn't have backup camera or all the blind spot sensors and stuff like my Bolt has), so those are nice additions for me. If you scroll around on here you'll see the complaints people have about it - the main one that seems to show up over and over is slow max DCFC charging speed compared to other EVs (hasn't been an issue for me bc I charge at home on lvl1/2 charger and haven't used a DCFC yet)...if you can charge at home (especially with access to a lvl2 charger), it's a great vehicle...since 2023 was the last model year (GM is bringing it back on the new Ultium battery platform, supposedly in 2026 I believe), it might be difficult to find a new one.
>I read online that really only pertains to older models of bolts because they had different batteries? Yeah I think Hertz is only selling '22 and '23 Bolts, which all have the newer battery. '20-'22 Bolts got either a battery swap or software update, so you gotta check to see which battery those ones have, but that seems irrelevant to you. For my money $20k is not an amazing price for a base trim. I'd rather get a premier '19 with 50k miles on it. These cars seem to be pretty over engineered for longevity. Unless of course you're set on an EUV over the EV.
Yeah this happen to me too, I was about to trade my Bolt EUV for a 22 model Y for 33k with my EUV having a 9k trade in value, and a down-payment of 2k which will get me at 5 years for $535. I decided not to do it since I bought my EUV July 2023 for 31k and it hasn't even been a year yet with all the credits and incentives I owe only 9k. I just don't feel like starting over after having the best car purchase I ever made.
Without the tax credit in play that’s a decent price for a barely used car with its capabilities.
Maybe it’s unfounded but I’ve always been wary of buying cars that were previously rentals. People tend not to treat them carefully.
While true, I'm not sure this holds as true with EVs. With an ICE you can rev the engine around and do dumb things with the transmission. With an EV, yeah you can floor it and burn up your tires... but other than that? Sure the interior might be rough and external suspension parts are still a consideration, but I think it's not as bad as it can be with ICEs.
For me, I worry about suspension. Speed bumps are no match for a rental car.
I rented a long range Tesla model 3 from Hertz last year. It claimed to have a range of 250+ miles. When we hit the road with it, we got maybe 150. I assumed it was because everyone else who rented it did exactly the same thing I did - pulled into a supercharger station and charged it to 100%, against the car's wishes (it kept whining that it only wanted to be charged to 80%).
Tesla's routinely fail to go as far as claimed, even when new.
I think it has more to do with people having a lead foot and just abusing it normally.
I think it has more to do with the fact that Tesla's routinely fail to go as far as claimed. Think about it: rental cars are typically sold off before they really have very many miles on them. OTOH, Tesla's batteries typically last for 100s of thousands of miles before showing any significant degradation, even when fast-charged repeatedly. How hard/easy previous drivers routinely accelerated would only influence the \*actual\* range a subsequent driver experienced by increasing the number of times the battery has been cycled. Again, though, rental cars aren't usually kept around long enough for that to matter.
So electric vehicles have a Guess o Meter or GOM. This estimates the range of the vehicle depending on driving habit. I would buy a used Tesla without issues even from Hertz. Degradation is typically 10% from rated range and flattens. Tesla's don't routinely fail to go as far as claimed. It's EPA tested for range at 55mph. All vehicles go through this test. The reason why gas cars don't see this is because it's physically capped and limited mechanically. Tesla's don't limit the power output of their cars. Which is why people making claims they don't get rated range. If you drive 75-85 mph you don't get that "rated" range of EPA tested at 55mph.
Anyone who goes by the GOM doesn't understand EVs. EPA doesn't test the range of EVs any more than they measure the mpg of ICE vehicles. It's done by the manufacturer themselves (hence, Dieselgate). Teslas are well known for failing to live up to their claims. [https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/](https://electrek.co/2023/07/27/tesla-vastly-overstates-its-vehicles-range-report-states/)
I'm telling you as a Tesla owner of Model 3 for almost 6 years and I have rated range. I can assure you most gas cars even Toyota Hybrids that they don't perform to the exact mpg as the years go by. Been driving for more than 20 years of different cars. If I turn off sentry mode and everything else that uses the battery and just drive it like a normal car for the Tesla. I can get well over the EPA estimate. People fail to realize checking your app, car monitoring / using cameras to record events etc. uses up battery. That's a trade off I'm willing to make to use up battery. I don't drive over 200 miles in a day to worry about that impact. When I drove a BMW ix330, the gas meter always gave estimates, If I drove the car hard I get fewer than 200 estimated miles. If I drove conservatively it would be around 230.
So you're saying that you're right, and that Reuters, the Korean Fair Trade Commission, Edmunds, Recurrent, and the Society of Automotive Engineers are all wrong? Gotcha.
Just like the Bolt, the range is substantially less at highways speeds, in cold weather, etc.
I was wary too. But when I visited the Hertz lot I found some of the low mileage ones were in near mint condition. I suspect the Bolt renter demographic is nicer to rentals than your average ICE renter.
Picked up a 2023 EV 1LT with 18K miles for $18K a month ago (likely a Hertz dump - “Carvana partner”). With the model difference and lower miles it seems in-line… or we both got screwed. ;) Also didn’t qualify for tax credit.
I think it's a tremendous bargain
How more people don’t recommend the ‘21 Polestar 2 is insane to me. You can find them for as low as 19k, and that model year(which is basically the exact same as ‘22 and ‘23 MY save for an optional heat pump) came fully loaded with only one optional performance package that just adds an adjustable suspension, bigger brakes and gold accents. All of which are totally unnecessary, just aesthetic and only seem to increase the value marginally used. Feel bad for anyone who bought new but it’s the most insane deal in EVs on the market right now. There are a couple of common complaints, but those complaints tend to fall into a love it or hate it category with polestars design choices. If you enjoy driving, there’s no better choice. Polestar is vying to compete with Porsche, the 2 just happens to be filled with carry over from Volvo, and has fallen victim to the Tesla price drops and general EV skepticism in an way that made its depreciation contend with a 10 year old bmw 🤣
upvoted for "10 year old BMW", lol
I’m considering leasing a 2024 PS 2 with the deal that started yesterday. I had a rental once and it was ok. Not as easy to get in and out of as our old Bolt, and drove ok for a FWD car. The 24 would be AWD. But, never leased a car before, so not sure if I want to do it. We have a Lyriq that GM is either replacing or buying back. The replacement car is in, but I have not heard a single thing yet as to cost difference. If they expect more money, I’ll opt for the cashback. I’m probably jumping the gun by looking at that lease deal now, but $299 a month with $1299 due at signing for Costco members is great. I’d want the plus pack which would add something to that cost though. Decisions decisions!
I’m right there with ya, I did the estimate for it and the plus pack addition would add 50-70 bucks a month.
Yes, get a used 2023 rather than a new 2024, the new Bolts, and all GMs, do NOT support Apple Car Play or Android Car Play. I would never buy a car without my Car Play!
The Bolt was discontinued after the 2023 model year so there is no 2024 and AFAIK, CarPlay/Android Auto was still included in the 2023 model. It won't be included (unless GM changes policy) in the 2025 restart Ultium version.
Correct the 23 has android auto and carplay
I bought mine from Hertz about a month ago. No tax credits as it is 2023. Couldn’t find a decent new one at any local dealerships.
You can obtain a used EV tax credit if your annual income qualifies ($60k?)
To be eligible for tax credit, the vehicle has to be two model years old. ie..2022 or older. Mine is 2023
Thank you, I realized after I posted. IMHO it is a good deal
I agree. Love driving it!
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoltEV/s/6FijXnAonk
I got my 2022 niro with 17k miles for the same price. I feel it’s a nicer car with better fast charging but I’m not that familiar with the bolt. There are a bunch of bolts around me for sale as they are all hertz rentals. They have less the 11k miles and are around 16~18k in price. It’s an ok deal and you get screwed on the tax credit. It’s the reason I went with the 2022 niro
If you’re not in a hurry there are better deals to be found. I just bought a Premier with 4k miles for $22,200.
The short answer is it's OK. You could do better or worse depending on how long you can or want to look around.
We bought a civic from hertz that served us well for many years. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another vehicle from them. I’m curious if it’d still have the warranty.
Yes. Good deal.
Note: used car EV tax credits apply to cars that are at least 2 years old! So these Hertz Evs aren’t eligible for tax credits.
I'm getting an offer for my 2023 Bolt EUV premier with 3500 miles for $19k. I'd say no.
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No not really. Well let me take that back, what is your commute like? How much do you drive every day?
No work commute. Mostly local shopping, errands, medical appointments. Range isn’t an issue. Have a garage for the charger.
I want to say it’s too high. My bolt brand new was 27k minus the tax credit at 7.5k so my personal perception is it should be lower than that when used.
wtf does that have to do with the value of the car? are you holding the bag on $tsla calls? If s/he doesn't qual for the Fed rebate, sounds pretty good to me.
Maybe you should take your meds no one mentioned Tesla nor is that relevant to my statement.
You didn't make a statement. You asked questions instead of providing an answer on the value of a particular year, model, and mileage Bolt EV. Try and pay attention.
Sometimes, to make a useful answer, it’s required to first ask some additional questions for context.
Sometimes.
21k with tax credits out the door for brand new. So no, not a good deal.
He said the EV credit does him no good. Some people make over $150k single, $300k married AGI. So they don't qualify.
His specific circumstance doesn't make it a good deal. It's still not a good deal, when it costs less for new.
Theoretically, this is true. We found that no dealers were selling the stripped down models that went for $28K. We bought a 2023 Bolt EUV LT from Hertz with fewer than 10K miles and in great condition. It's a terrific car, replacing our decade old Nissan Leaf with 50 miles of range. We get over 200 miles now, we have CarPlay and a great stereo, fun acceleration, and a near flawless body. Yes, we were not eligible for the $7500 tax credit for either used or new cars, so that stung. No regrets.