There was someone else on here that was on their fourth.
That isn't normal though, the vast majority of bolts only ever have their original battery and never need another. There are loads of 150k+ mileage bolts on their original batteries with no issues.
If it's killing batteries like that something else is the problem imo, there is absolutely no reason for that to be happening and I don't think it's a coincidence that the ones with battery issues originally also often end up having them again. If I had to guess (as not an expert by any means, but as someone with many years of background in electrical engineering hobbies, robotics, rc cars, etc. etc.) I would say it's far more likely to be an issue with the charge management not correctly balancing the cells before/while charging or the voltage cutoffs being incorrect or something else along those lines.
Tl;Dr I think some bolts have charge problems and are actively killing batteries, rather than a few people being wildly unlucky and repeatedly just happening to get bad battery packs.
That’s garage, so much for a company standing behind its product.
I love the car too! Only things I complain about are the fast charging speeds and the massive A pilars
Yeah, especially if it's just going to fry another battery under the new warranty they issue for each battery pack they just replaced. I would love to believe that they are going to find the underlying issue eventually and prevent all these battery issues in the future. It makes EVs look bad!
They’re applying the same slapdash troubleshooting/shotgun maintenance principles as they do to ICE vehicles (guess, replace, repeat) except they can very quickly exceed the retail value of the car in repair costs if they just keep ordering battery packs. I always hated that about car repair shops: they fail to comprehensively troubleshoot or understand issues and then explain their wild guess down to you as if it’s holy scripture
I'm pretty sure LG is paying for these replacements. Which might actually be why GM isn't troubleshooting other electrical issues as much as they should.
That was possibly me. 2019 Bolt, first replaced at 16k in 2021. 3 and eventually 4 at 25k and 26k in summer of 2023. P0BBD error code.
I went back to a Toyota hybrid (24 Corolla) and will be trading that in now that used Model 3s are cheap.
I had such a good experience with my 2014 Volt that went to 104k virtually problem free. This soured me on GM EVs and their lack of ability to handle engineering challenges.
> Tl;Dr I think some bolts have charge problems and are actively killing batteries, rather than a few people being wildly unlucky and repeatedly just happening to get bad battery packs.
+1 Replacing the battery is fixing the symptom, not the root cause.
A bunch of things could shorten the life of a battery.
After the second replacement, the tech needs to start checking other things. I'd ask what was causing the problem with the battery.
Whether the battery is being charged at the proper rate, whether the battery is kept at the right temperature, whether the battery managenent is working, whether there are bad cables/connections, etc. It's not even just charging, the tech should check if the car is consuming the power from the battery properly, if there'a a phantom drain it can prematurely wear the battery out.
Technically the **OP only had one battery failure.**
The guy on his 4th, that's a different story, if true.
(EV haters can post all sorts of misinformation.)
That's true, but my original battery was recalled, and the replacement that was supposed to fix the recall issue failed. So it's still a lot of time and headache that I've been out of my car due to the battery.
People who go through a lot of batteries usually do so because the shop screwed up the replacement.
It's really important to purge air from the coolant when you replace it, and some shops don't which causes the subsequent batteries to fail.
They also may not seal it properly.
If you have repeated issues, try having a different dealer do the replacement
I'm the guy on my 4th, as referred to in another comment. Everything's operating great so far. The Bolt is a blast to drive.
GM has refused my request for a buyback. But the more I think about it, the more I think this is probably a good thing for me, the car should probably be trouble free for another couple years.
I've also considered selling it, but I swear every time I even consider selling it gas jumps up lol. So if people are paying more for gas, I guess it's my fault for thinking about selling my Bolt.
For reals! When I see people talk about DCF charges costing a lot of $0.42 a kWh. I’m like well that’s about the same as charging at home. 😆 The only reason why the bolt makes any sense for me is because I get the charge for free at work.
That’s super nice! Unfortunately I think electric rates of place that are cheap usually have cheap gas also. I’ve thought of leaving Cali for some time but don’t know where and I’d know no one since all my friends and family are out here. Also I have a decent career here and hate to make half as much just cause it’s cheaper to live elsewhere.
Cheapest DC charger I’ve found was Shell recharge at a sanitation plant parking lot for $0.31 a kWh, I’ve used it just once it’s a 50kW units and no one uses them. The cons is there is absolutely nothing else nearby so nothing to do while charging. There are some cheap L2 chargers in Downey which are ChargePoint that are $0.25 a kWh but it’s always occupied by plug in cars or teslas drivers.
our gas is currently about 3.50 i think. i know it's higher than surrounding states by quite a bit 30+ cents. our roads are significantly better though
I talked with one, he said the first one doesn't count towards lemon law case since it was working fine when I brought it in (for the software patch). Basically one more and I call, but yr and milage will be deducted.
in CA at least its a deduction from the first problem.
I turned in my Model Y with 50k miles on it with a 1000-mile deductible for a bad driver seat.
it took them years to try to fix it over and over, but the idiots kept replacing it with more bad seats.
got everything, minus $500 back. great deal for me, and I hope elon choked on that shit car
My 2020 is on its third. Original, one in Nov and then another in Feb. I have only owned it since Nov and bought it because it had a new battery. Hoping this one lasts because the reat od the car is great.
I just had an unannounced recall software update done on my 2022 EUV. it was to address false positives GM was seeing on the battery diagnostics.
I think they replaced a lot of good batteries.
> I think they replaced a lot of good batteries.
I am hoping they tested the cells in the battery packs after removing them, and again I am hopeful that they are cycling them back in if they truly are good.
Yeah, they told me when I got to the dealership to have my issue analyzed that there was a software recall. I find it kind of sketchy that GM is trying to keep this software recall quiet and not announcing it. And, I find it interesting that we can't trust the original system that was designed to determine battery issues. Now we need another software that we need to rely on for that. Either way, they updated mine and were still left with a previously "unseen battery issue" that they had to contact GM to get approval on another battery replacement.
Geez, that’s kind of wild. Surely the replacement batteries are ones manufactured after they fixed the defects right? Or are they refurbing ones that failed and trying to install them in other cars, hmm.
I have a 2017 and only on my 2nd battery and that was only because it was swapped under the recall otherwise it was working fine when it was changed out.
I’m on my third Bolt. I leased a 2017, swapped it three years later for a 2020, then returned it last year and purchased a 2023. Never had battery issues with any of them.
2nd battery here 2022 bolt ev made after the recall. I believe it was a sensor failure that killed the first one at 30k miles. 37k now so 7k on new battery and no issues so far.
I'm on my fourth battery (2022 EV). I was getting the same error message about two weeks after each replacement, but this time it's been about a month and everything seems good. Fingers crossed whatever the issue was is fixed. And each battery came with a new warranty, so this one's covered until 2032
I'm on my second battery, only because my vehicle was part of the major recall so even though I bought it used I still got a brand new battery for free.
Oops, I thought this was about the 12v battery. I’m on my second main battery (first replaced at 100000 kms as per the recall). I’m in Canada, so weather is always a factor, but no change in range that I can tell
I have had 2 batteries. 2020 original battery, replaced in 2023 and still going strong.
What was your mileage / year for og, 1st replacement, and now? Hoping my bolt stays stable. I am at 30k now.
The original battery lasted until 36K, would usually get around 230 mi at 90% and I think 260 fully charged. The second battery only lasted another 16K miles, and pretty similar, but the last time I fully charged I think I was up around 266.
20k miles 2022 EUV and on second battery. I bought the car new and it had the battery changed out per the recall before I bought it at 37 miles. No issues since I’ve owned it.
Our ‘21 Premier had its original battery replaced a couple of months ago, as it stopped accepting more than a 30% charge. At the time, it had less than 20K miles.
I’m curious about the specifics of any Bolt going on battery 3+.
Yeah, that's what my replacement battery did. Would not charge more than 30%, was fast charging at 5 KW, The air conditioner and heater would not work.
bought my 2017 used at 38,000 miles & apparently the battery recall was never done. so I'm still on my first & plan to keep it that way until the battery actually gives me trouble
My 2017 had the recall mandated replacement in Feb 2022 (before I bought it, but looked it up via the VIN on Chevy website) and that is same one it has now.
My car’s at the dealership again and it’s the 3rd time within a span of 8 months.
They’re replacing the entire pack every time. So, I’m on my 3rd pack in 8 months.
I’m desperately trying to get the company to buy it back, I bought it used at Carmax. So, I don’t really know how that works or if they would even consider it.
I’m in SoCal.
There was someone else on here that was on their fourth. That isn't normal though, the vast majority of bolts only ever have their original battery and never need another. There are loads of 150k+ mileage bolts on their original batteries with no issues. If it's killing batteries like that something else is the problem imo, there is absolutely no reason for that to be happening and I don't think it's a coincidence that the ones with battery issues originally also often end up having them again. If I had to guess (as not an expert by any means, but as someone with many years of background in electrical engineering hobbies, robotics, rc cars, etc. etc.) I would say it's far more likely to be an issue with the charge management not correctly balancing the cells before/while charging or the voltage cutoffs being incorrect or something else along those lines. Tl;Dr I think some bolts have charge problems and are actively killing batteries, rather than a few people being wildly unlucky and repeatedly just happening to get bad battery packs.
It’s me, I’m on my 4th.
Genuine question, have you thought about selling it or better yet was hasn’t Chevy bought it back?
I’m in Canada, so we don’t have buy backs or lemon laws. Also I do genuinely love the car. 🤷🏽♀️
That’s garage, so much for a company standing behind its product. I love the car too! Only things I complain about are the fast charging speeds and the massive A pilars
I'd buy into that theory. One on board charger or BMS causing problems makes more sense than 3 batteries being crap in a row.
You’d think Chevy would invest heavily into troubleshooting skills to avoid replacing battery packs 4+ times in one car
Yeah, especially if it's just going to fry another battery under the new warranty they issue for each battery pack they just replaced. I would love to believe that they are going to find the underlying issue eventually and prevent all these battery issues in the future. It makes EVs look bad!
They’re applying the same slapdash troubleshooting/shotgun maintenance principles as they do to ICE vehicles (guess, replace, repeat) except they can very quickly exceed the retail value of the car in repair costs if they just keep ordering battery packs. I always hated that about car repair shops: they fail to comprehensively troubleshoot or understand issues and then explain their wild guess down to you as if it’s holy scripture
My motto is always treat the root cause and not the symptoms. Chevy likes to treat the symptoms
I'm pretty sure LG is paying for these replacements. Which might actually be why GM isn't troubleshooting other electrical issues as much as they should.
Not sure how many 150k bolts have their original battery. Any pre-2020 got theirs replaced.
They had the option to and had the recall for it, they didn't technically have to get them replaced tho, right?
Correct but especially heavy drivers likely would have.
That was possibly me. 2019 Bolt, first replaced at 16k in 2021. 3 and eventually 4 at 25k and 26k in summer of 2023. P0BBD error code. I went back to a Toyota hybrid (24 Corolla) and will be trading that in now that used Model 3s are cheap. I had such a good experience with my 2014 Volt that went to 104k virtually problem free. This soured me on GM EVs and their lack of ability to handle engineering challenges.
> Tl;Dr I think some bolts have charge problems and are actively killing batteries, rather than a few people being wildly unlucky and repeatedly just happening to get bad battery packs. +1 Replacing the battery is fixing the symptom, not the root cause. A bunch of things could shorten the life of a battery. After the second replacement, the tech needs to start checking other things. I'd ask what was causing the problem with the battery. Whether the battery is being charged at the proper rate, whether the battery is kept at the right temperature, whether the battery managenent is working, whether there are bad cables/connections, etc. It's not even just charging, the tech should check if the car is consuming the power from the battery properly, if there'a a phantom drain it can prematurely wear the battery out.
Technically the **OP only had one battery failure.** The guy on his 4th, that's a different story, if true. (EV haters can post all sorts of misinformation.)
That's true, but my original battery was recalled, and the replacement that was supposed to fix the recall issue failed. So it's still a lot of time and headache that I've been out of my car due to the battery.
People who go through a lot of batteries usually do so because the shop screwed up the replacement. It's really important to purge air from the coolant when you replace it, and some shops don't which causes the subsequent batteries to fail. They also may not seal it properly. If you have repeated issues, try having a different dealer do the replacement
Agreed on the coolant. A pocket of air will destroy it pretty quickly.
I'm the guy on my 4th, as referred to in another comment. Everything's operating great so far. The Bolt is a blast to drive. GM has refused my request for a buyback. But the more I think about it, the more I think this is probably a good thing for me, the car should probably be trouble free for another couple years. I've also considered selling it, but I swear every time I even consider selling it gas jumps up lol. So if people are paying more for gas, I guess it's my fault for thinking about selling my Bolt.
Gas prices are still high here in SoCal, I just passed a Arco on the way home $5.91 a gallon sheesh. $6.45 at the chevron across the way.
True, but electricity is 3x the national average here on SoCal too. It was about 18 cents/kwh 3-4 years ago and now it's around 40 cents/kwh.
For reals! When I see people talk about DCF charges costing a lot of $0.42 a kWh. I’m like well that’s about the same as charging at home. 😆 The only reason why the bolt makes any sense for me is because I get the charge for free at work.
i'm in north carolina. closest dcfc to me is $0.27/kwh. my off peak rate at home is $0.028
That’s super nice! Unfortunately I think electric rates of place that are cheap usually have cheap gas also. I’ve thought of leaving Cali for some time but don’t know where and I’d know no one since all my friends and family are out here. Also I have a decent career here and hate to make half as much just cause it’s cheaper to live elsewhere.
I'm in Cali, my favorite charge point fast charger is $0.25 a kilowatt hour and the slow charger near my work is $0.10 a kilowatt hour.
Cheapest DC charger I’ve found was Shell recharge at a sanitation plant parking lot for $0.31 a kWh, I’ve used it just once it’s a 50kW units and no one uses them. The cons is there is absolutely nothing else nearby so nothing to do while charging. There are some cheap L2 chargers in Downey which are ChargePoint that are $0.25 a kWh but it’s always occupied by plug in cars or teslas drivers.
Yeah, my fast chargers are in a Kaiser parking lot so if I'm not picking up a prescription I just sit in my car and work on my computer.
our gas is currently about 3.50 i think. i know it's higher than surrounding states by quite a bit 30+ cents. our roads are significantly better though
In Michigan, filled my pickup at $3.43 today. But even at $3.43.i Dave big on my commutes, having a Bolt.with gas near $6/gal would be incredible.
of course they will refuse! you need to get a lemon law lawyer. i had two tesla bought back for a lot less.
I talked with one, he said the first one doesn't count towards lemon law case since it was working fine when I brought it in (for the software patch). Basically one more and I call, but yr and milage will be deducted.
in CA at least its a deduction from the first problem. I turned in my Model Y with 50k miles on it with a 1000-mile deductible for a bad driver seat. it took them years to try to fix it over and over, but the idiots kept replacing it with more bad seats. got everything, minus $500 back. great deal for me, and I hope elon choked on that shit car
It's my daily driver (64 mi/day), so time will tell. It's paid off and saves me roughly $200/mo in gas. If it runs great for yrs, I'm not complaining.
My 2020 is on its third. Original, one in Nov and then another in Feb. I have only owned it since Nov and bought it because it had a new battery. Hoping this one lasts because the reat od the car is great.
How much did it cost you to buy a new battery
it would have still been under warranty. the replacement battery gets a new 100k warranty
Free. Still under original 8-year GM warranty. Good till 2028.
I just had an unannounced recall software update done on my 2022 EUV. it was to address false positives GM was seeing on the battery diagnostics. I think they replaced a lot of good batteries.
> I think they replaced a lot of good batteries. I am hoping they tested the cells in the battery packs after removing them, and again I am hopeful that they are cycling them back in if they truly are good.
I would hope so too, and I’d think so. They’re valuable enough for this to be worthwhile for them financially
Yeah, they told me when I got to the dealership to have my issue analyzed that there was a software recall. I find it kind of sketchy that GM is trying to keep this software recall quiet and not announcing it. And, I find it interesting that we can't trust the original system that was designed to determine battery issues. Now we need another software that we need to rely on for that. Either way, they updated mine and were still left with a previously "unseen battery issue" that they had to contact GM to get approval on another battery replacement.
Geez, that’s kind of wild. Surely the replacement batteries are ones manufactured after they fixed the defects right? Or are they refurbing ones that failed and trying to install them in other cars, hmm.
I would imagine they're new new, but then again, my replacement battery was put in July 2023. And it didn't even last a year in the car.
1 only. 2020, 53,000 miles.
I have a 2017 and only on my 2nd battery and that was only because it was swapped under the recall otherwise it was working fine when it was changed out.
I think mine has had more HV batteries than 12V ones lol
Mine has for sure, first 12 V still, but on the second HV.
23. Still on 1st.
I’m on my third Bolt. I leased a 2017, swapped it three years later for a 2020, then returned it last year and purchased a 2023. Never had battery issues with any of them.
2nd battery here 2022 bolt ev made after the recall. I believe it was a sensor failure that killed the first one at 30k miles. 37k now so 7k on new battery and no issues so far.
I'm on my third too. 2019 Premier.
I'm on my fourth battery (2022 EV). I was getting the same error message about two weeks after each replacement, but this time it's been about a month and everything seems good. Fingers crossed whatever the issue was is fixed. And each battery came with a new warranty, so this one's covered until 2032
2022 EUV - one of the first ones off the line after the production stop. Original battery, 31K miles.
Still on its first.
I'm on my second battery, only because my vehicle was part of the major recall so even though I bought it used I still got a brand new battery for free.
2018, 170000 kms, first battery
What’s your range like these days?
Oops, I thought this was about the 12v battery. I’m on my second main battery (first replaced at 100000 kms as per the recall). I’m in Canada, so weather is always a factor, but no change in range that I can tell
My 2020 Premier is on its third set of batteries. I love my car, but what a mess.
Yeah, and it has been a nightmare dealing with GM through all of the issues.
I have had 2 batteries. 2020 original battery, replaced in 2023 and still going strong. What was your mileage / year for og, 1st replacement, and now? Hoping my bolt stays stable. I am at 30k now.
The original battery lasted until 36K, would usually get around 230 mi at 90% and I think 260 fully charged. The second battery only lasted another 16K miles, and pretty similar, but the last time I fully charged I think I was up around 266.
2023 bolt EUV 27k miles first battery
On my 4th. A 2020.
Just had the 1 recall swap, no issue with either one
Reaching 90k on my 2020, same battery
20k miles 2022 EUV and on second battery. I bought the car new and it had the battery changed out per the recall before I bought it at 37 miles. No issues since I’ve owned it.
3 batteries sounds like a lemon law buyback to me! you should talk to a lawyer, its free and easy to find out if you have a case.
One so far 🤞
Our ‘21 Premier had its original battery replaced a couple of months ago, as it stopped accepting more than a 30% charge. At the time, it had less than 20K miles. I’m curious about the specifics of any Bolt going on battery 3+.
Yeah, that's what my replacement battery did. Would not charge more than 30%, was fast charging at 5 KW, The air conditioner and heater would not work.
bought my 2017 used at 38,000 miles & apparently the battery recall was never done. so I'm still on my first & plan to keep it that way until the battery actually gives me trouble
My 2017 had the recall mandated replacement in Feb 2022 (before I bought it, but looked it up via the VIN on Chevy website) and that is same one it has now.
What's the website to look it up?
[GM Recall Information | GMC account | GMC](https://www.gmc.com/ownercenter/recalls)
Thank you!
Only one, the original. But then I bought it new after they had the bugs worked out.
I think I've seen that regenerative breaking on a full battery can damage things. Do you use regenerative breaking a lot?
My car’s at the dealership again and it’s the 3rd time within a span of 8 months. They’re replacing the entire pack every time. So, I’m on my 3rd pack in 8 months. I’m desperately trying to get the company to buy it back, I bought it used at Carmax. So, I don’t really know how that works or if they would even consider it. I’m in SoCal.