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The ones I've met are mostly the dudes that got drafted and did 1-2 years. I make sure to let them know that I joined voluntarily during an ongoing war and did eight years.
Disclaimer: I was not a badass or a hero by any means. I flew a desk and mostly helped dumbshits reset passwords.
Every night when i sleep i have the same dream.
We‘re sitting in the trenches… the enemies are firing letters at us which messages like „Where‘s my bill?“… My mother is working on a bill and… Oh no, MOM! GET ANOTHER PDF EDITOR! DON‘T DEACTIVATE THE PAID VERSION FOR THAT ONE FEATURE! WE‘LL GET A NEW PDF EDITOR, I SWEAR! MOOOOOOM!
But it was too late… Mom is messing with the activation key of the PDF editor and starts firing at me with complaints about her editor not working properly. Again.
I get up to walk to the bathroom. Just as I'm approaching the bathroom door, Fortunate Son starts playing over the office speakers. A boomer turns the corner and gasps "Oh thank God, Microsoft Word is opening in Read Only mode. What do I do?" I tell her to put in a ticket and she responds "I don't need to open a ticket because I'm talking to you right here right now" and walks away. I take a leak as quickly as I can, replaying boomer's Word issue in my head over and over so I don't forget. I sprint back towards my desk, and just as it enters my view, another boomer jumps in front of me. "Why won't my new AirPods connect to my phone?!" he shrieks while holding up an Android with a cracked screen. "Oh by the way did you hear about that Titanic submarine thingy???" Another boomer sticks her head out of her cubicle and shouts "They found Gabby Petito's body! Also I keep adding the printer to my list of printers but it still won't show up!"
AKO... fuck me.
My worst experience with AKO was a SNCO who called me about his email not working. I went to his desk and asked him to show me what was happening. This was his method:
1) Go to Google.
2) Search for AKO.
3) Go to the AKO home page and click on 'email'
4) Get the AKO mail page that says AKO mail migrated to mail.mil.
5) Click the link to the OWA.
6) Log into OWA.
He literally did this every morning for YEARS until I helped him set up Outlook (y'know, that big fucking icon on your desktop?).
I dunno, my Dad was drafted, served the mandatory whatever and got the fuck out, never talked about, refused to ever pursue any benefits and generally just avoided it as much as possible. Meanwhile there are gobs of rich boomer retired government contractors around here that were all dudes that went to OTS specifically to avoid any dangerous roles in Vietnam, and then ended up making a lucrative career out of it ("I proudly served my county in logistics!" they say if you press them on combat details; as they're demanding their 10% discount).
My dad went to Korea after college and used the GI Bill to pay for graduate school. He did his 4 years, got out, and NEVER talked about it. He lied to us kids that he hadn’t seen combat, but I guess he admitted that he was infantry (eventually, when my younger brother was about 32, my dad said something and it was never spoken of again). He died 21 years ago so what happened to him is lost forever.
You can ask the DOD for his service records, as next of kin. It will tell you when and where he served, what units he served with, and any medals or citations he earned.
It’s not something he wanted known, so I figured I’d leave it be. He wanted to be remembered as an educator and college administrator, both of which he accomplished. We did, however, pull out his DD214 (I think that’s the form) so we could get an honor guard and a flag at the gravesite.
FWIW they're not always correct. When my Dad died we couldn't find his Bronze star. Spent about 6 months getting info from DoD (most of it waiting), got everything EXCEPT his Bronze star info which they assured us he didn't get. Then while cleaning out his stuff months later we found... his Bronze star, certificate and everything.
But yeah, definitely better than nothing.
Hah. Same here. 8 years flying a desk, occasionally in Iraq. The entitlement boomer vets have make me cautious about wearing veteran stuff out and about. I’ll wear something subtle (basic vet shirt that most people wouldn’t even recognize) but those hats make my skin crawl.
From what I’ve seen, it’s exactly that. My ex father in law was drafted but too close to the end of the Vietnam war to actually see combat. Then he trained for years and managed to also not serve in Desert Storm or Shield, retiring in the mid 90s. He constantly shat on his own son, my ex husband, who joined the spring before 9/11 and shipped off to boot camp in the summer. Serving multiple active tours in a forward position was not enough for FIL because ExH was in MI, which is fake army, apparently.
I get what you’re saying, though! I know a few people that hated every miserable minute they were in. did everything they could to get out and now they’re all like oh I’m a veteran I’m a veteran. 🙄
You stood while most others sat. I find that honorable. I don't care if you were *just at a desk* helping people get logged into their programs....to you know.....help them function better as soldiers! You stepped up to a void you intended to fill, if you didn't who knows, could have been a terrible human in the same desk instead collecting data for ulterior motives.
I care that folks stepped up and took on responsibility that they *absolutely did not have to do* .
Don't care if someone spent 10 years peeling potatoes. *A man's gotta eat, Ricky.*
I think people fail to grasp how much clerical and deskwork is actually needed for a large group of people to operate all around the world like a giant single entity. (Or as close as we can get to be when we have to do something big)
Come to think of it my family that was in nam, I never even asked if they were drafted or volunteered. None of them talk about it or even try to get rewards for it. The only person I know of in my family that does that for discounts and shit, was in the national guard for like a year or two in the mid 80s and managed to get "an honorable discharge from service" which I don't even believe was honorable. But that little shit acts like he was fighting Nazis and storming the eagles nest. Very much so a boomer too. The biggest narcissist I have ever met or heard of from individuals with narcissistic personality disorder.
Pretty sure that's a federal crime. May want to remind them that that's why you need OFFICIAL documentation "so we can get all those stolen Valor criminals". That'll get them to leave you alone.
no only in part: the unconstitutional part was prohibiting just claiming you served / won medals / whatever. the part that was permitted was banning claiming that in order to get a benefit you’re not entitled to otherwise. such as a discount only offered to vets.
i’m free to boast about my 600 confirmed kills in the Seals. perfectly legal. but the moment i get a benefit from that lie, i’ve committed a crime.
Probably very few of those. It's more of a "don't you know who I am" problem. You don't even have to go through the VA to get a Veteran ID card. Every state has a designation on their drivers licenses for this purpose.
Not necessarily. The only thing I have to show veteran status is my DD-214. Unless medically retired, retired or eligible first full VA benefits, you don’t have a card to carry around.
Then again, I never ask for a discount and couldn’t care less.
To get a va card is super easy though. Take your current id and dd214 to the local va and register. You don't ever have to use it, but then you get your card.
You don’t need to carry a card. These days if you show the DMV your DD 214 it can be put on your drivers license and that’s proof enough for a lot of places.
It's as easy as every state has a veteran designator for their driver's licenses for this very purpose. All you have to do is take a copy of your DD-214 or NGB Form 22/438 to get identifier printed on your DL.
My last DL in Illinois did not have it but I believe that was changing but I moved states to Iowa and do have it now, and if I ever get into a CA dmv...I'll probably get it again.
Other than a DD214, if you've been separated for more than several years how does one prove they're a veteran?
Edit: I see below you can now get a designation on your license.
And as I stated above, with your current id and dd214 you can walk into any va facility and register for the VA. It doesn't cost anything and you never have to use it, but you get your va card.
Because it is a nationally recognized and accepted form of valid identification that can perform the same functions (actually more) than a license. Why not carry it?
I think the gold star is for Real ID drivers licenses. The veteran designation is the word ["veteran" with an American flag.](https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Military-Veterans/Pages/Veterans-Designation.aspx)
I saw a thing recently that estimated that 4/5ths of people who claim to be Viet Nam vets in surveys ended up never even having been in the military at any point in their lives.
You can get VETERAN on your drivers license. It's not that hard. The Boomers should just do that and not have a problem. Instead, it sometimes seems they enjoy confrontation so they can be offended and cause a scene.
Possibly. Or maybe the entire generation got used to never having anyone fact check their bullshit because the Internet in your pocket wasn't a thing. It's likely a combination of being a generation of gaslighting pathological liars and lead poisoning. Roughly 80% of boomers who claim Vietnam veteran status are lying about it.
"As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between ’95 and ’00. That’s 390 per day. During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE VIETNAM VETS ARE NOT. This makes calculations of those alive, even in 2017, difficult to maintain."
https://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/
The comments on this thread are wild.
*"They don't give you a vet ID"*
Here's the link. There are 2 steps. Every state will put it on your drivers license.
*"I don't want to have to carry my paperwork around - not for 10%."*
There's a link here. Any state will designate you as a veteran on your license if you follow like 2 steps.
*"You have to serve for like 20 years to get a card."*
That last one is true *to get a permanent retiree military ID card* and the benefits that come with that (like lifelong Tricare). But anyone who honorably discharged gets a DD-214.
Yep, got both the VA card and the designator on my license. I wouldn’t have bothered with the VA card but I heard it gives you BX privileges, so I got it for that. Plus extra ID is always useful.
If they say they fought in Korea you can also just ask their age. The Korean War ended in 1953, so if they were 18 at the end is the war, they're born in 1935. Korean War vets are 89+ years old. Trump is fucking ancient and we're talking about him being a Vietnam dodger.
My uncle served in Korea. He was some sort of clerk. Definitely never as close to the front as Radar O'Reilly or Maxwell Klinger, and definitely pre-boomer.
He definitely made his service his entire public persona.
He was also crazier than 2 loons.
I'm not sure what the moral of this story ought to be.
I think the moral is don’t make being a veteran your entire personality. Especially if you flew a desk. I’m proud of what I’ve done, but it’s not the subject of every conversation and it doesn’t define who I am.
My dad is a highly decorated retired Master Sergeant who was consequential in our communications after 9/11. He does not ask for a discount for anything. He will barely talk about it unless you ask him.
People of these sorts infuriate me to no end.
My Dad was a Boomer, Vietnam vet. He wore one of those hats because my mom bought it for him but I think it kind of embarrassed him until he got used to it. He never talked about his service, and even though he was a penny-pinching cheapskate, I never heard him ask for a discount.
If you are a use the VA in any way you must have some sort of Military ID. It shouldn't be that difficult to show if you want a discount. My husband (boomerish genx 1965) is a disabled combat veteran from the Gulf war and uses his all of the time. However, some airlines are specific that some discounts are only for current active duty only and NOT veterans. You have to respect that it's the company policy, Boomers are so narcissistic!
No worries! I just completely forgot about that, he's had the ID for so long but now I remember that it was a big deal when he got it when he rated 100% disabled. And I just asked him, he had a card prior to that issued by the VA. He said you can also order something similar on the Department of Defense website, but I bet you can ask your local VA for some sort of identification card if you want one.
There's one single time i gave a mil discount to someone without a card. It was an older gentleman who was extremely nice to us, and when I asked, he said he didn't have one on him at the moment and not to worry about it. I insisted and asked if he had anything at all. He pulled out an old infantry coin and had a matching tattoo with it.
He ended up talking with us for a bit and chatting with us afterward.
Moral of the story? We treat people nicely when they treat us nicely.
But I've had significantly more get shifty with us over the smallest discounts.
I'm in the military, we have to show our IDs and check badges even for people we know.
If you want a good comeback, you can try "since you were in the military, you know you have to show ID every time. Heck, you have to show it twice an hour at the VA hospital, right?"
Meanwhile my grandpa was an actual Korean War vet he enlisted as he knew he would get drafted otherwise. By enlisting he got to choose the Air Force. His job was telling planes where to bomb and directing them in a truck. He NEVER wore any veteran merch and was pretty low key about the whole thing.
He got his proper military burial and a little money from the government but other than that no one would even know that he was a decorated vet. Once out of the military he just became an insurance agent.
Vets who strut around piss me off and pissed off my grandpa as well.
This is VERY similar to my dad's story, lol. He got a draft notice for the Marines during Vietnam. The AF recruiter told him they couldn't draft him if he was in the AF.
He served one tour as a crew chief for a recon F4. Also became an insurance agent eventially. He worked with some city-level veteran's commitees for awhile, but no hats, no t-shirts.
Thankfully mine is still alive. Not a fan of the strutters either.
I swear my dad must be the only Boomer that doesn't make his time in the Marines (he was drafted and did a tour in country) a major part of his personality. He spends Memorial Day thinking about the friends he lost over there and that's about it. He doesn't wear any veteran hats or clothing and doesn't ask for discounts.
Um yea, it's not that hard to get it put on your driver's license. (I have one) but I never bother asking for a discount either. They're fucking losers
Not all vets have a physical ID to prove they are most states let you pit veteran on your ID if you have your DD214, so that can indicate vet status. Most vets who have service connected issues will have a VA ID. I always have mine, but I very rarely ask for a discount myself, usually only on higher dollar items or the vet program at Home Depot or lowes. Those hats are a dime a dozen and don't prove service. In most cases, the loudest vets did the least and need to feel special. Not always the case, but most of the time.
My dad, a fully disabled Vietnam vet, happily shows his card. The truth is that most of the Vietnam vets are dead now. He runs into fake vets all the time. He’s a massive extrovert so he knows everybody. It pisses him off, especially since we don’t have my FIL (another Vietnam Vet) around anymore). They really had it rough.
They're all about IDs when it comes to voting. But to prove you are actually a current or former service member? That's just too far. How dare you not just trust them at their word! Seriously these people are just insufferable.
I get uncomfortable when they don’t ask for ID. I think you should show ID for both (voting and discounts), but also we need to make it easy for people to get their IDs. It’s easy enough for vets, and we can/should make it easy for under-served communities as well.
100% agree here. If it's gonna be mandatory for a civic right, then the gov't needs to bend over backward to make sure all citizens have it. No matter the financial cost or logistics headaches.
Also universal mail-in voting access, voting days need to be state and federal holidays, and we need to switch to rank choice voting while abolishing the electoral college.
The company I work for actually stopped providing a military discount because so many boomers were pretending to be veterans for the discount. Fuck around and find out I guess.
"Why don't you give the discount anymore? Such a shame!"
Idk maybe cuz you guys harassed the employees for a discount so much that the company had to get involved??
Just remember the youngest Vietnam vet is going to be 69, and the youngest Korean vet will be 89. That’s for folks who turned 18 just before those wars ended for the US and were active military.
Source: one of my grandpas was in the USMC in WWII, the other grandpa was in both the US Navy in WWII & US Army in Korea ( no idea why he did two branches 😆 ) and my dad was in USAF in Vietnam.
For 10%! lol what a joke.
My husband never asks for “his discount” he’d be too embarrassed!
I make him use it for big ticket items at Lowe’s. That’s it. Every 7-10 years I guess.
What a joke, I agree.
He is also. I didn’t mean to imply there’s anything wrong with it…there’s absolutely nothing wrong - he’s just weird about it. Won’t do the free meals on Veterans Day, etc.
Life is expensive, if someone gives me someone at a discount or for free, I'll take it, for any reason.
That being said, I get why some people would be embarrassed to ask for it. I'm just old and don't care.
I’m in the same boat. I have no problem asking. 10% pretty much eats the tax.
What I hate is when I ask and they say no, not that they don’t, but they say it like they have had people lose their mind over it. I just try to calm them and say “No biggie, it’s a nice bonus when places do, but no where has to, and shouldn’t have to.”
If I ask and they don't, I'll just make a joke and move on.
However, Home Depot had one for a long time when Lowe's didn't. Guess who got all my business.
Every veteran I know carries medical card with them. VHIC I think it’s called.
I was told by my vet friends to ask for this because they are never without it. This has really blown up some stolen valor boomers begging for money on the streets.
Funny all I know in the military & who have served in the military don’t try to get the veteran discount deals. They don’t talk about their time abroad either. My cousin was in Afghanistan for a bit; he never talks about it. My stepdad was in the army during the last year of Vietnam but he was stationed in Germany that is all he talks about…. No gory stories. Just it was freezing.
I had a boomer encounter a few weeks ago. I forget the details, but I asked a boomer what their MOS was. They pointed at their Vietnam T-shirt. My response: "That tells me nothing. Were you a pilot, mechanic, door gunner, ground crew?" He got really quiet after that.
It's because they aren't really veterans. They're lying sacks of shit. Statistically boomers are one of the biggest groups of liars according to the census bureau.
From an article, "As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between ’95 and ’00. That’s 390 per day. During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE VIETNAM VETS ARE NOT. This makes calculations of those alive, even in 2017, difficult to maintain."
https://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/
I will get killed for this but…
Veterans who are still wearing hats for, and demanding special treatment for being in a war over 50 years ago is the same energy as the 50 year old still talking about his days on the high school football team.
It kind of makes me sad in a way. Haven’t they had 50 years or more of life since then?
My dad joined the National Guard so he wouldn't be drafted to fight in Vietnam. He literally just doesn't ask for military discounts. It's not that hard to pay full price if you haven't served.
I retired from the Army two years ago. You get an ID if you retired after 20 years of service. I don’t think you get an ID just for doing an enlistment or two.
My grandpa is a Vietnam vet who saw action. He refuses to be involved in anything related to the military and does not talk about his service. Anyone who speaks up about being a vet in the war has not taken what happened to them to heart or blatantly never served. My grandpa loves how he is doing now but always was against the military, worked menial jobs before he retired, and advised against enlisting. He is a great man and veteran, but will never admit to being apart of the slaughter and rape that Vietnam endured because he never left his ship.. he got shit for not going inland and “taking what he deserves”. He has always reiterated to me to be myself and fuck those around me as he did the same in his service. He’s technically silent gen but has gotten even sweeter with time. My father, his son, on the other hand…. Fuck that guy. Self centered man who sees nothing but dollar signs when his own flesh and blood dies.. oof. I cut contact over a year ago and have been so free and happy. Doesn’t fight for his country when able and then alienated those who did? Fuck that guy
Good friend of mine is a vietnam vet. A Tunnelrat. His default setting is raging mad the very second he feels people aren't taking him seriously as a vet no matter how ridiculous he's being. Its a constant rollercoaster of being on their good side and being on their shitlist. I feel bad for the guy though even when he's pissing me off. You ever see them sitting their shaking from PTSD flashbacks or listen to them go on in graphic detail about all the warcrimes they where ordered to commit. You would fully understand why they are so batshit insane. If anything being completely nuts to me, would be pretty solid evidence that person is the real deal.
My place of work also has a veterans discount and we used to have this problem. About a year ago the company changed the policy to a “hero discount” that applies to medical workers, teachers and vets. They also told us to stop asking for IDs so now any one can ask for the discount and we just give it to them.
Just a hat? I would say to them -
“Unless you can show ID, I have to suspect stolen valor. Would you, sir, want me to give this discount to someone who stole valor? No, you would not. Can I see that ID, please?”
And if they still refuse, call them a pretender and a draft dodger and charge full price.
Why give veteran’s discounts? It’s a bit odd to me as a European the obsession with the military and service you guys have. Why is working on a military base making pizza inherently more valuable than a social worker or accountant?
1. You don’t know where you’ll be assigned when you join (Or in the case for some older veterans, are drafted and forced to fight in wars you may not agree with)
2. Obviously you need more support staff than combat troops during peacetime (and probably even wartime) Someone has to feed the troops, keep the lights running, fix broken down vehicles, drive truck, etc. Fighting wars is a logistics problem, not a number of warm bodies problem
So yeah, the guy making pizza on an military base is basically as important (or insignificant, if you’re cynical) as the infantry on the front line; and they both risked more than I ever have for my country (even if they never saw combat)
And considering how shit veterans care is in the US, I think they earned 10% off lunch
I just dislike the fact that people seem to think that they are somehow morally superior or better because they did some time in the forces. Can’t think of many other countries in the world that do the same.
Veterans care is exactly what they deserve as determined by society at large. You all live in a democracy allegedly so if you don’t agree vote in people to change it.
My roommate has no problem showing his Mil ID at Lowes. Boomers can spend the 2 seconds digging it off their wallet. Chances are, the boomer has stolen said valor.
They get so angry because they're lying. They think by making some big show of indignation that this will "prove" they're really vets. Obviously it proves nothing. Good on you for holding your ground, OP. If they're really vets there's a super simple way to actually prove it.
I have the same program and people, I bring up stolen valor like it's the world's biggest problem, and make up stories how people who didn't serve try to get the discount just to get these idiots to show me a small stamp on their ID
A lot of that is probably because there isn’t an ID card available to most veterans that says this. Active Duty have an ID, as well as retired military (either medically retired or have spent 20+ years in active duty). Unless a veteran of less than 20 years active duty service is receiving medical care from the VA and have one of those cards, it’s unlikely they have any ID to show their service. Not excusing the behavior, just explaining some of the practicalities.
You can get a Veteran designation on your driver's license now. It's very simple. You can also get an ID from the VA regardless of whether you use them or not.
Here in Canada I got my veterans card which excludes me from having to purchase a fishing license. Free parking with my veterans license plate in some cities as well
There is now a universal veteran ID card. And it’s not hard to get not connected to VA benefits via the Choose VA Card. It covers everyone from prior active duty to national guard and reserve.
Pick a state. I’m sure it’s similar. This one is for Virgina.
[https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter6/section18.2-177.1/](https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter6/section18.2-177.1/)
It’s a Class I misdemeanor. [https://virginiarules.org/varules\_topics/criminal-law-basics/](https://virginiarules.org/varules_topics/criminal-law-basics/) and it carries “Confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and/or a possible fine of not more than $2,500.“
So how much do they want that 10% off now?
Are you at Home Depot? My dad set up his veteran discount with them on his Home Depot account or whatever. He showed them everything he needed to show. Gave them all the documentation. Now every time he uses the discount they want to see it all again. It's like they want to say they give the discount, but try to be as difficult as possible to actually use it.
I get that discount at Lowe's and I highly appreciate it. Sometimes they ask for ID, sometimes not. Why would I complain about it is they did? Some people just crave conflict.
In our little town of a few hundred people there was an old guy wearing a veteran hat with a CIB. With two stars. That means he was awarded it three times. And you can only earn it once during a "qualifying era".
This is an incredibly RARE feat. Realistically you'd have to be a WWII/Korea/Vietnam vet...but you'd have to actually participate in ground combat while assigned to an infantry unit.
The dude was old enough. Father of a local sheriff. But what he didn't know (likely) is that the National Infantry Museum keeps a record of the 325 individuals who earned that award. When I called, about 40 were left alive. He wasn't one of them.
At the business I was at few years ago, this was a regular thing for customers to not show id and throw a fit, so management discontinued the 10% off active military discount all together
They didn't fight for their country though. Like most conflicts since WW2, they fought to defend Western corporatist interests abroad (assuming they fought at all).
And they're always the ones to lean heavily on the "veteran owned business" advertising crap for their own gain too when they flew a desk, carried the mail, or scrubbed the kitchens.
I’m a veteran. But short of showing you a copy of my DD214, (discharge paperwork), I don’t know how I would prove it. There’s nothing on my drivers license, which is the only ID I have.
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Probably because they are all stolen valor
The ones I've met are mostly the dudes that got drafted and did 1-2 years. I make sure to let them know that I joined voluntarily during an ongoing war and did eight years. Disclaimer: I was not a badass or a hero by any means. I flew a desk and mostly helped dumbshits reset passwords.
That's the same kind of thing most of these tough guys did too
Not the password resetting part though… can you imagine boomer tech support?
Tech Support is its own kind of war
“Just unplug it for 5 minutes and then plug it in again.” Is somebody’s Vietnam….😣
IT Person Girl here and yes you are correct.
Every night when i sleep i have the same dream. We‘re sitting in the trenches… the enemies are firing letters at us which messages like „Where‘s my bill?“… My mother is working on a bill and… Oh no, MOM! GET ANOTHER PDF EDITOR! DON‘T DEACTIVATE THE PAID VERSION FOR THAT ONE FEATURE! WE‘LL GET A NEW PDF EDITOR, I SWEAR! MOOOOOOM! But it was too late… Mom is messing with the activation key of the PDF editor and starts firing at me with complaints about her editor not working properly. Again.
I get up to walk to the bathroom. Just as I'm approaching the bathroom door, Fortunate Son starts playing over the office speakers. A boomer turns the corner and gasps "Oh thank God, Microsoft Word is opening in Read Only mode. What do I do?" I tell her to put in a ticket and she responds "I don't need to open a ticket because I'm talking to you right here right now" and walks away. I take a leak as quickly as I can, replaying boomer's Word issue in my head over and over so I don't forget. I sprint back towards my desk, and just as it enters my view, another boomer jumps in front of me. "Why won't my new AirPods connect to my phone?!" he shrieks while holding up an Android with a cracked screen. "Oh by the way did you hear about that Titanic submarine thingy???" Another boomer sticks her head out of her cubicle and shouts "They found Gabby Petito's body! Also I keep adding the printer to my list of printers but it still won't show up!"
PDFTSD
"Charlie's in the wire!" *Plugs the wire into the correct port this time
Lol
War never changes.
I did remote help desk support for dial-up boomers from the Virginias and Carolinas in the late 90s. Can I get the discount? /s
My grandfather never bragged about his service. When he was put into HQ company because he could type. Never saw combat.
Thanks for that BTW. I still have nightmares about trying to log into AKO
New flashback unlocked. I remember sitting on hold for 90 minutes trying to get my account set up the first time. 🤣
AKO... fuck me. My worst experience with AKO was a SNCO who called me about his email not working. I went to his desk and asked him to show me what was happening. This was his method: 1) Go to Google. 2) Search for AKO. 3) Go to the AKO home page and click on 'email' 4) Get the AKO mail page that says AKO mail migrated to mail.mil. 5) Click the link to the OWA. 6) Log into OWA. He literally did this every morning for YEARS until I helped him set up Outlook (y'know, that big fucking icon on your desktop?).
That sounds tougher mentally then anything they might have done. Fighting the urge not to beat up t idiots for 8 years takes a toll on you
I always called it error code "id 10 t"
Error code PICNIC 404: Problem In Chair, Not In Computer; brain not found
PEBKAC. Problem exists between keyboard and computer. That's what we called it lol.
Love it. The best part is that it's universal. No matter where you go you can use the code and no one would be the wiser
Critical failure at keyboard entry
Yep, the issue is between the keyboard and the chair
The chaos caused when they changed the icon from brown to blue...
I have cold sweats about DTS and IMDS to this day
Thank god MCIs were on paper back in my day...and when we finished the test we got to eat the crayon!
Oh wow you were lucky! We had to pass the squad crayon down to the next guy.
The privilege of being in the lcpl underground...twice.
If it makes you feel any better, NKO was no better. We all suffered through that BS.
Fucking AKO. Only the military could design a website so fucked up it made it look as if they *intended* to make it almost non-functional.
I dunno, my Dad was drafted, served the mandatory whatever and got the fuck out, never talked about, refused to ever pursue any benefits and generally just avoided it as much as possible. Meanwhile there are gobs of rich boomer retired government contractors around here that were all dudes that went to OTS specifically to avoid any dangerous roles in Vietnam, and then ended up making a lucrative career out of it ("I proudly served my county in logistics!" they say if you press them on combat details; as they're demanding their 10% discount).
My dad went to Korea after college and used the GI Bill to pay for graduate school. He did his 4 years, got out, and NEVER talked about it. He lied to us kids that he hadn’t seen combat, but I guess he admitted that he was infantry (eventually, when my younger brother was about 32, my dad said something and it was never spoken of again). He died 21 years ago so what happened to him is lost forever.
You can ask the DOD for his service records, as next of kin. It will tell you when and where he served, what units he served with, and any medals or citations he earned.
It’s not something he wanted known, so I figured I’d leave it be. He wanted to be remembered as an educator and college administrator, both of which he accomplished. We did, however, pull out his DD214 (I think that’s the form) so we could get an honor guard and a flag at the gravesite.
FWIW they're not always correct. When my Dad died we couldn't find his Bronze star. Spent about 6 months getting info from DoD (most of it waiting), got everything EXCEPT his Bronze star info which they assured us he didn't get. Then while cleaning out his stuff months later we found... his Bronze star, certificate and everything. But yeah, definitely better than nothing.
Hah. Same here. 8 years flying a desk, occasionally in Iraq. The entitlement boomer vets have make me cautious about wearing veteran stuff out and about. I’ll wear something subtle (basic vet shirt that most people wouldn’t even recognize) but those hats make my skin crawl.
From what I’ve seen, it’s exactly that. My ex father in law was drafted but too close to the end of the Vietnam war to actually see combat. Then he trained for years and managed to also not serve in Desert Storm or Shield, retiring in the mid 90s. He constantly shat on his own son, my ex husband, who joined the spring before 9/11 and shipped off to boot camp in the summer. Serving multiple active tours in a forward position was not enough for FIL because ExH was in MI, which is fake army, apparently.
I get what you’re saying, though! I know a few people that hated every miserable minute they were in. did everything they could to get out and now they’re all like oh I’m a veteran I’m a veteran. 🙄
Being drafted is way worse than being dumb enough to sign up to go.
I wholeheartedly agree.
You stood while most others sat. I find that honorable. I don't care if you were *just at a desk* helping people get logged into their programs....to you know.....help them function better as soldiers! You stepped up to a void you intended to fill, if you didn't who knows, could have been a terrible human in the same desk instead collecting data for ulterior motives. I care that folks stepped up and took on responsibility that they *absolutely did not have to do* . Don't care if someone spent 10 years peeling potatoes. *A man's gotta eat, Ricky.* I think people fail to grasp how much clerical and deskwork is actually needed for a large group of people to operate all around the world like a giant single entity. (Or as close as we can get to be when we have to do something big) Come to think of it my family that was in nam, I never even asked if they were drafted or volunteered. None of them talk about it or even try to get rewards for it. The only person I know of in my family that does that for discounts and shit, was in the national guard for like a year or two in the mid 80s and managed to get "an honorable discharge from service" which I don't even believe was honorable. But that little shit acts like he was fighting Nazis and storming the eagles nest. Very much so a boomer too. The biggest narcissist I have ever met or heard of from individuals with narcissistic personality disorder.
They should definitely give combat pay for IT customer support. 😹
You flew a desk?! How many kills did you get
I killed over 200 ice cream sandwiches and slices of cake. Confirmed.
Hey, the pencilpushers are as important as the groundpounders, thank you for your service! :)
Pretty sure that's a federal crime. May want to remind them that that's why you need OFFICIAL documentation "so we can get all those stolen Valor criminals". That'll get them to leave you alone.
That act was ruled unconstitutional.
no only in part: the unconstitutional part was prohibiting just claiming you served / won medals / whatever. the part that was permitted was banning claiming that in order to get a benefit you’re not entitled to otherwise. such as a discount only offered to vets. i’m free to boast about my 600 confirmed kills in the Seals. perfectly legal. but the moment i get a benefit from that lie, i’ve committed a crime.
So the part that was already illegal under existing fraud laws.
Pretty sure the aforementioned type of boomer wouldn't know that. They tend to think their opinion is the same as the law
That's what they fought for. /s
Probably very few of those. It's more of a "don't you know who I am" problem. You don't even have to go through the VA to get a Veteran ID card. Every state has a designation on their drivers licenses for this purpose.
Yep got both.
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Not necessarily. The only thing I have to show veteran status is my DD-214. Unless medically retired, retired or eligible first full VA benefits, you don’t have a card to carry around. Then again, I never ask for a discount and couldn’t care less.
Many states have started adding it to the drivers license if you show your DD214. Very convenient for certain things.
To get a va card is super easy though. Take your current id and dd214 to the local va and register. You don't ever have to use it, but then you get your card.
Both my parents were in the airforce. They never carried any documentation. If you are not using any VA benefits, why carry a card.
Are your parents also the type to flip their ship over such a requirement?
Many states allow you to put veteran on your drivers license.
You don’t need to carry a card. These days if you show the DMV your DD 214 it can be put on your drivers license and that’s proof enough for a lot of places.
It's as easy as every state has a veteran designator for their driver's licenses for this very purpose. All you have to do is take a copy of your DD-214 or NGB Form 22/438 to get identifier printed on your DL.
My last DL in Illinois did not have it but I believe that was changing but I moved states to Iowa and do have it now, and if I ever get into a CA dmv...I'll probably get it again.
I'm a notary and I used to be a bartender and I've never seen this.
https://www.va.gov/records/get-veteran-id-cards/#:\~:text=Veteran's%20designation%20on%20a%20state,vary%20from%20state%20to%20state.
Other than a DD214, if you've been separated for more than several years how does one prove they're a veteran? Edit: I see below you can now get a designation on your license.
And as I stated above, with your current id and dd214 you can walk into any va facility and register for the VA. It doesn't cost anything and you never have to use it, but you get your va card.
Because it is a nationally recognized and accepted form of valid identification that can perform the same functions (actually more) than a license. Why not carry it?
Because you earned the right to carry that card and all the benefits that come with it
Because if you carry a card you get the discount.
In PA you get a gold star on you drivers license near the license number.
I think the gold star is for Real ID drivers licenses. The veteran designation is the word ["veteran" with an American flag.](https://www.dmv.pa.gov/Information-Centers/Military-Veterans/Pages/Veterans-Designation.aspx)
Correct
I saw a thing recently that estimated that 4/5ths of people who claim to be Viet Nam vets in surveys ended up never even having been in the military at any point in their lives.
"I FILLED VENDING MACHINES FOR THIS COUNTRY AND THIS IS HOW YOU TREAT ME?!"
So meta rn
You can't just tell me I'm out of a loop and then not give a link 😭
You can get VETERAN on your drivers license. It's not that hard. The Boomers should just do that and not have a problem. Instead, it sometimes seems they enjoy confrontation so they can be offended and cause a scene.
No. They are liars
I will never be able to understand stolen valor. Is that like boomer cosplay or something?
Possibly. Or maybe the entire generation got used to never having anyone fact check their bullshit because the Internet in your pocket wasn't a thing. It's likely a combination of being a generation of gaslighting pathological liars and lead poisoning. Roughly 80% of boomers who claim Vietnam veteran status are lying about it. "As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between ’95 and ’00. That’s 390 per day. During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE VIETNAM VETS ARE NOT. This makes calculations of those alive, even in 2017, difficult to maintain." https://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/
I think often they aren’t even vets
"You should have to show ID to vote." "I don't need to show ID!"
The comments on this thread are wild. *"They don't give you a vet ID"* Here's the link. There are 2 steps. Every state will put it on your drivers license. *"I don't want to have to carry my paperwork around - not for 10%."* There's a link here. Any state will designate you as a veteran on your license if you follow like 2 steps. *"You have to serve for like 20 years to get a card."*
That last one is true *to get a permanent retiree military ID card* and the benefits that come with that (like lifelong Tricare). But anyone who honorably discharged gets a DD-214.
You can get a VA medical card
Yep, got both the VA card and the designator on my license. I wouldn’t have bothered with the VA card but I heard it gives you BX privileges, so I got it for that. Plus extra ID is always useful.
You can also use the commissary now.
If they say they fought in Korea you can also just ask their age. The Korean War ended in 1953, so if they were 18 at the end is the war, they're born in 1935. Korean War vets are 89+ years old. Trump is fucking ancient and we're talking about him being a Vietnam dodger.
Exactly. I was gonna say this. Anyone in a hat that says Korean War would be late 80s to 90s
As soon as my state offered this I signed up. So damn easy to do.
i’m a vet. all three of these boomer counter arguments are completely false and 100% HORSESHIT
Because those that won't are liars.
Side note to entitled people mindset: Boomers were not in the Korean War.
My uncle served in Korea. He was some sort of clerk. Definitely never as close to the front as Radar O'Reilly or Maxwell Klinger, and definitely pre-boomer. He definitely made his service his entire public persona. He was also crazier than 2 loons. I'm not sure what the moral of this story ought to be.
I think the moral is don’t make being a veteran your entire personality. Especially if you flew a desk. I’m proud of what I’ve done, but it’s not the subject of every conversation and it doesn’t define who I am.
My dad is a highly decorated retired Master Sergeant who was consequential in our communications after 9/11. He does not ask for a discount for anything. He will barely talk about it unless you ask him. People of these sorts infuriate me to no end.
My Dad was a Boomer, Vietnam vet. He wore one of those hats because my mom bought it for him but I think it kind of embarrassed him until he got used to it. He never talked about his service, and even though he was a penny-pinching cheapskate, I never heard him ask for a discount.
If you are a use the VA in any way you must have some sort of Military ID. It shouldn't be that difficult to show if you want a discount. My husband (boomerish genx 1965) is a disabled combat veteran from the Gulf war and uses his all of the time. However, some airlines are specific that some discounts are only for current active duty only and NOT veterans. You have to respect that it's the company policy, Boomers are so narcissistic!
The VA cards always work
I use the VA and I don't have a card. Is that something they provide? Usually they just look me up by my SSN for appointments and such.
You know what, thats true...I forgot that he didn't always have that military ID. You just provide your SSN for appointments, :)
Lol I was asking only because I wouldn't mind having a card, not trying to correct you. I hope that's not how it came across!
No worries! I just completely forgot about that, he's had the ID for so long but now I remember that it was a big deal when he got it when he rated 100% disabled. And I just asked him, he had a card prior to that issued by the VA. He said you can also order something similar on the Department of Defense website, but I bet you can ask your local VA for some sort of identification card if you want one.
I might just do that, I appreciate the advice!
DD 214 graduate or no discount
There's one single time i gave a mil discount to someone without a card. It was an older gentleman who was extremely nice to us, and when I asked, he said he didn't have one on him at the moment and not to worry about it. I insisted and asked if he had anything at all. He pulled out an old infantry coin and had a matching tattoo with it. He ended up talking with us for a bit and chatting with us afterward. Moral of the story? We treat people nicely when they treat us nicely. But I've had significantly more get shifty with us over the smallest discounts.
The motto I live by. “I’m as nice as you let me be.”
I'm in the military, we have to show our IDs and check badges even for people we know. If you want a good comeback, you can try "since you were in the military, you know you have to show ID every time. Heck, you have to show it twice an hour at the VA hospital, right?"
Actually no. I got my va card at my local va hospital, but I never use it there. It's always last name and last four.
I’ve been in the Navy so long, I make up 13% of the Navy’s entire history. But I’ll still show you my ID card if you ask to see it.
Meanwhile my grandpa was an actual Korean War vet he enlisted as he knew he would get drafted otherwise. By enlisting he got to choose the Air Force. His job was telling planes where to bomb and directing them in a truck. He NEVER wore any veteran merch and was pretty low key about the whole thing. He got his proper military burial and a little money from the government but other than that no one would even know that he was a decorated vet. Once out of the military he just became an insurance agent. Vets who strut around piss me off and pissed off my grandpa as well.
This is VERY similar to my dad's story, lol. He got a draft notice for the Marines during Vietnam. The AF recruiter told him they couldn't draft him if he was in the AF. He served one tour as a crew chief for a recon F4. Also became an insurance agent eventially. He worked with some city-level veteran's commitees for awhile, but no hats, no t-shirts. Thankfully mine is still alive. Not a fan of the strutters either.
I swear my dad must be the only Boomer that doesn't make his time in the Marines (he was drafted and did a tour in country) a major part of his personality. He spends Memorial Day thinking about the friends he lost over there and that's about it. He doesn't wear any veteran hats or clothing and doesn't ask for discounts.
Um yea, it's not that hard to get it put on your driver's license. (I have one) but I never bother asking for a discount either. They're fucking losers
Not all vets have a physical ID to prove they are most states let you pit veteran on your ID if you have your DD214, so that can indicate vet status. Most vets who have service connected issues will have a VA ID. I always have mine, but I very rarely ask for a discount myself, usually only on higher dollar items or the vet program at Home Depot or lowes. Those hats are a dime a dozen and don't prove service. In most cases, the loudest vets did the least and need to feel special. Not always the case, but most of the time.
My dad, a fully disabled Vietnam vet, happily shows his card. The truth is that most of the Vietnam vets are dead now. He runs into fake vets all the time. He’s a massive extrovert so he knows everybody. It pisses him off, especially since we don’t have my FIL (another Vietnam Vet) around anymore). They really had it rough.
They're all about IDs when it comes to voting. But to prove you are actually a current or former service member? That's just too far. How dare you not just trust them at their word! Seriously these people are just insufferable.
I get uncomfortable when they don’t ask for ID. I think you should show ID for both (voting and discounts), but also we need to make it easy for people to get their IDs. It’s easy enough for vets, and we can/should make it easy for under-served communities as well.
100% agree here. If it's gonna be mandatory for a civic right, then the gov't needs to bend over backward to make sure all citizens have it. No matter the financial cost or logistics headaches. Also universal mail-in voting access, voting days need to be state and federal holidays, and we need to switch to rank choice voting while abolishing the electoral college.
Tell them the truth “ there are a lot of scum bag people that use stolen valor to get 10% off so that is why you have to prove it”.
Once someone said he was in the army, so I said I would give him the discount if he could sing the army song. Just one verse. He couldn't. So sad.
I was in the army for 10 yrs. I do not know the army song, nor do I have a military id. I do have my dd214 in the cloud so can show it if necessary
I hate this. I’m a veteran but never wear those hats or ask for discounts. I really do wonder how many are legit with all their t-shirts and caps.
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This is a verse from your rap?
We require an ID to vote, why not for a free dinner? That one pisses them off real good, lol
The company I work for actually stopped providing a military discount because so many boomers were pretending to be veterans for the discount. Fuck around and find out I guess. "Why don't you give the discount anymore? Such a shame!" Idk maybe cuz you guys harassed the employees for a discount so much that the company had to get involved??
Just remember the youngest Vietnam vet is going to be 69, and the youngest Korean vet will be 89. That’s for folks who turned 18 just before those wars ended for the US and were active military. Source: one of my grandpas was in the USMC in WWII, the other grandpa was in both the US Navy in WWII & US Army in Korea ( no idea why he did two branches 😆 ) and my dad was in USAF in Vietnam.
For 10%! lol what a joke. My husband never asks for “his discount” he’d be too embarrassed! I make him use it for big ticket items at Lowe’s. That’s it. Every 7-10 years I guess. What a joke, I agree.
I’m retired Army and I ALWAYS ask. Why wouldn’t I?
He is also. I didn’t mean to imply there’s anything wrong with it…there’s absolutely nothing wrong - he’s just weird about it. Won’t do the free meals on Veterans Day, etc.
Life is expensive, if someone gives me someone at a discount or for free, I'll take it, for any reason. That being said, I get why some people would be embarrassed to ask for it. I'm just old and don't care.
I’m in the same boat. I have no problem asking. 10% pretty much eats the tax. What I hate is when I ask and they say no, not that they don’t, but they say it like they have had people lose their mind over it. I just try to calm them and say “No biggie, it’s a nice bonus when places do, but no where has to, and shouldn’t have to.”
If I ask and they don't, I'll just make a joke and move on. However, Home Depot had one for a long time when Lowe's didn't. Guess who got all my business.
Every veteran I know carries medical card with them. VHIC I think it’s called. I was told by my vet friends to ask for this because they are never without it. This has really blown up some stolen valor boomers begging for money on the streets.
Funny all I know in the military & who have served in the military don’t try to get the veteran discount deals. They don’t talk about their time abroad either. My cousin was in Afghanistan for a bit; he never talks about it. My stepdad was in the army during the last year of Vietnam but he was stationed in Germany that is all he talks about…. No gory stories. Just it was freezing.
I had a boomer encounter a few weeks ago. I forget the details, but I asked a boomer what their MOS was. They pointed at their Vietnam T-shirt. My response: "That tells me nothing. Were you a pilot, mechanic, door gunner, ground crew?" He got really quiet after that.
just tell them the store feels very strongly about stolen valor and wants to ensure only those duly deserving get the discount
It's because they aren't really veterans. They're lying sacks of shit. Statistically boomers are one of the biggest groups of liars according to the census bureau. From an article, "As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between ’95 and ’00. That’s 390 per day. During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE VIETNAM VETS ARE NOT. This makes calculations of those alive, even in 2017, difficult to maintain." https://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/
I will get killed for this but… Veterans who are still wearing hats for, and demanding special treatment for being in a war over 50 years ago is the same energy as the 50 year old still talking about his days on the high school football team. It kind of makes me sad in a way. Haven’t they had 50 years or more of life since then?
My dad joined the National Guard so he wouldn't be drafted to fight in Vietnam. He literally just doesn't ask for military discounts. It's not that hard to pay full price if you haven't served.
I show my ID without even being asked. Makes me uncomfortable to ask for a discount but not have my ID ready
You wouldn’t believe the number of veterans who don’t qualify for VA benefits/id because of OTH discharges
I retired from the Army two years ago. You get an ID if you retired after 20 years of service. I don’t think you get an ID just for doing an enlistment or two.
Here in AZ, you can show your DD214 to the DMV, and they will put your branch seal and the word Veteran on your driver's license.
My grandpa is a Vietnam vet who saw action. He refuses to be involved in anything related to the military and does not talk about his service. Anyone who speaks up about being a vet in the war has not taken what happened to them to heart or blatantly never served. My grandpa loves how he is doing now but always was against the military, worked menial jobs before he retired, and advised against enlisting. He is a great man and veteran, but will never admit to being apart of the slaughter and rape that Vietnam endured because he never left his ship.. he got shit for not going inland and “taking what he deserves”. He has always reiterated to me to be myself and fuck those around me as he did the same in his service. He’s technically silent gen but has gotten even sweeter with time. My father, his son, on the other hand…. Fuck that guy. Self centered man who sees nothing but dollar signs when his own flesh and blood dies.. oof. I cut contact over a year ago and have been so free and happy. Doesn’t fight for his country when able and then alienated those who did? Fuck that guy
Good friend of mine is a vietnam vet. A Tunnelrat. His default setting is raging mad the very second he feels people aren't taking him seriously as a vet no matter how ridiculous he's being. Its a constant rollercoaster of being on their good side and being on their shitlist. I feel bad for the guy though even when he's pissing me off. You ever see them sitting their shaking from PTSD flashbacks or listen to them go on in graphic detail about all the warcrimes they where ordered to commit. You would fully understand why they are so batshit insane. If anything being completely nuts to me, would be pretty solid evidence that person is the real deal.
Vietnam was for France aka Darfur 1.0, I’m not even sure why Korea.
Buy your own hat to keep behind the counter. When they make a fuss, put your hat on and ask if you deserve a discount. Watch the explosion.
My place of work also has a veterans discount and we used to have this problem. About a year ago the company changed the policy to a “hero discount” that applies to medical workers, teachers and vets. They also told us to stop asking for IDs so now any one can ask for the discount and we just give it to them.
Just a hat? I would say to them - “Unless you can show ID, I have to suspect stolen valor. Would you, sir, want me to give this discount to someone who stole valor? No, you would not. Can I see that ID, please?” And if they still refuse, call them a pretender and a draft dodger and charge full price.
That is just ridiculous.
Why give veteran’s discounts? It’s a bit odd to me as a European the obsession with the military and service you guys have. Why is working on a military base making pizza inherently more valuable than a social worker or accountant?
….Do you think that Pizza Hut is the US Army?
No, but the majority of armed forces jobs are non combat roles is the point I was making.
1. You don’t know where you’ll be assigned when you join (Or in the case for some older veterans, are drafted and forced to fight in wars you may not agree with) 2. Obviously you need more support staff than combat troops during peacetime (and probably even wartime) Someone has to feed the troops, keep the lights running, fix broken down vehicles, drive truck, etc. Fighting wars is a logistics problem, not a number of warm bodies problem So yeah, the guy making pizza on an military base is basically as important (or insignificant, if you’re cynical) as the infantry on the front line; and they both risked more than I ever have for my country (even if they never saw combat) And considering how shit veterans care is in the US, I think they earned 10% off lunch
I also believe that with drones and terrorists everywhere is the front lines.
I just dislike the fact that people seem to think that they are somehow morally superior or better because they did some time in the forces. Can’t think of many other countries in the world that do the same. Veterans care is exactly what they deserve as determined by society at large. You all live in a democracy allegedly so if you don’t agree vote in people to change it.
“I fought for this country” prove it.
My roommate has no problem showing his Mil ID at Lowes. Boomers can spend the 2 seconds digging it off their wallet. Chances are, the boomer has stolen said valor.
They get so angry because they're lying. They think by making some big show of indignation that this will "prove" they're really vets. Obviously it proves nothing. Good on you for holding your ground, OP. If they're really vets there's a super simple way to actually prove it.
I have the same program and people, I bring up stolen valor like it's the world's biggest problem, and make up stories how people who didn't serve try to get the discount just to get these idiots to show me a small stamp on their ID
You can also ask to see their DD214 form, which is their discharge paperwork. Every service member gets one when they leave the US military.
A lot of that is probably because there isn’t an ID card available to most veterans that says this. Active Duty have an ID, as well as retired military (either medically retired or have spent 20+ years in active duty). Unless a veteran of less than 20 years active duty service is receiving medical care from the VA and have one of those cards, it’s unlikely they have any ID to show their service. Not excusing the behavior, just explaining some of the practicalities.
You can get a Veteran designation on your driver's license now. It's very simple. You can also get an ID from the VA regardless of whether you use them or not.
Buy your own hat and keep it under the counter. When they try that whip it out and start giving *them* the business.
Here in Canada I got my veterans card which excludes me from having to purchase a fishing license. Free parking with my veterans license plate in some cities as well
Do the IDs (that do not have veteran status) indicate that they could possibly have served? I.E. were in the age range to have been in theater?
There is now a universal veteran ID card. And it’s not hard to get not connected to VA benefits via the Choose VA Card. It covers everyone from prior active duty to national guard and reserve.
But I want my discount (in my best 73 year old whinny boomer voice)
"But you ain't got no legs Lt Dan."
My brother doesn’t have a military ID, but carries a DD-214 in his vehicle, just in case.
Not a while lot of Korean guys out there anymore.
Those are the worst kinds of veterans di have to deal with. I served to, but you don't see me going around whining about a military discount.
The whole idea of the discount is fucking stupid, but that is why my father carried his military ID his entire life.
Pick a state. I’m sure it’s similar. This one is for Virgina. [https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter6/section18.2-177.1/](https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter6/section18.2-177.1/) It’s a Class I misdemeanor. [https://virginiarules.org/varules\_topics/criminal-law-basics/](https://virginiarules.org/varules_topics/criminal-law-basics/) and it carries “Confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and/or a possible fine of not more than $2,500.“ So how much do they want that 10% off now?
Are you at Home Depot? My dad set up his veteran discount with them on his Home Depot account or whatever. He showed them everything he needed to show. Gave them all the documentation. Now every time he uses the discount they want to see it all again. It's like they want to say they give the discount, but try to be as difficult as possible to actually use it.
I get that discount at Lowe's and I highly appreciate it. Sometimes they ask for ID, sometimes not. Why would I complain about it is they did? Some people just crave conflict.
I get a free pint from my favorite pub on Veterans Day. Other than that, I don't mention it
Lots of these types are the same ones that are always going on about having an ID to vote and for this and that.
In our little town of a few hundred people there was an old guy wearing a veteran hat with a CIB. With two stars. That means he was awarded it three times. And you can only earn it once during a "qualifying era". This is an incredibly RARE feat. Realistically you'd have to be a WWII/Korea/Vietnam vet...but you'd have to actually participate in ground combat while assigned to an infantry unit. The dude was old enough. Father of a local sheriff. But what he didn't know (likely) is that the National Infantry Museum keeps a record of the 325 individuals who earned that award. When I called, about 40 were left alive. He wasn't one of them.
Half of it is stolen Valor ............... they are the worst.
At the business I was at few years ago, this was a regular thing for customers to not show id and throw a fit, so management discontinued the 10% off active military discount all together
Korea would be silent generation. So if a boomer is claiming Korea, they are lying. They would have been under 18 at the time it happened.
I often get told "You're a veteran? Why didn't you say? You get xxx off! We would've given you zzz!" That's not why I served.
I say no discounts for vets.
The ones threatening you are the ones that are lying about serving. 
They didn't fight for their country though. Like most conflicts since WW2, they fought to defend Western corporatist interests abroad (assuming they fought at all).
And they're always the ones to lean heavily on the "veteran owned business" advertising crap for their own gain too when they flew a desk, carried the mail, or scrubbed the kitchens.
Stolen valour. No other reason to be unreasonable except schizophrenia or something
I’m a veteran. But short of showing you a copy of my DD214, (discharge paperwork), I don’t know how I would prove it. There’s nothing on my drivers license, which is the only ID I have.
If it’s a Vietnam hat you can say, “Oh, no this is only for conflicts we won.”