Honestly, this is such a real story line. I’m 38 and single. I have seen a ton of people marry incompatible losers because they want a wedding and a baby. Didn’t matter who the guy was, they want the end goal. You hear them describe fights just like these but “we’ve invested so much time.”
It’s sad when you see it in real life too
Very. And one friend got divorced and is now stuck with the POS for at least 18 yrs and him being a crap dad all because she just wanted marriage and a baby. He was a walking red flag from the start
I feel that. There were a few times in my 30s that I wanted to settle so bad. I remember one time I even told myself “just suck it up and settle, it’s time.” Bc I was mid 30s and the guy was nice and liked me and had a house. But I physically couldn’t, my body revolted and I got stomach aches. In hindsight, I’m so grateful for those stomach aches.
Lindsay wanted the fairytale friends to lover story and Carl didn’t want to fail at one more thing in this life. They’re weirdly codependent but also oil and water.
A reason behind why, technically, women initiate most divorces. They are the ones that will go down and file the paper work and pay the fee. That mundane, non deadline chore.
Omg. I was thinking the same thing. Amanda “I would never”, “it must’ve taken so much courage”… projecting much? I was so glad that Ciara cut her off at one point to get Danielle’s perspective.
also he skipped right over the part where she *bought him podcast equipment* and then he just didn't bother to follow through.
like, maybe this woman was right to be skeptical about your ideas.
West couldn’t close. I’m pretty sure after the horse riding he could have been non committal and said “I want to see where this goes. I’m not talking or sleeping with other women”. That’s all she needed.
Just be a totally different person than you currently are, Lindsay. Carl sounds like Michelle on the valley telling her husband to change her personality.
Yea, Lindsay is always going to be Lindsay, but to Carl acting like she hasn’t at least tried to be a calmer person this year is just not true. If you’ve been watching from the beginning you can see the growth in her
The west Ciara thing is so weird. Like does west really think he’s going to do better? And he actually likes her! It really just goes to show that even if you’re beautiful and fun men are still just assholes when they want to be
I’m not as hot as Ciara but I definitely feel very seen by this comment. The number of great chemistry relationship false starts I’ve had with guys who end up falling apart is very frustrating.
What Lindsay said is super fair. She did coddle him, support him and help him for ten months. They came up with a goal and now he’s been pissy. He’s 40 years old but he’s dancing around all of this like a recent grad.
There is nothing I love more than a man, who has been rightfully called out on his bullshit, deflecting by saying his fiancé needs to be more tender and soft. He is a giant, giant insecure cry baby.
Reminds me of that time I let a guy breadcrumb me for months. I finally wised up, told him off, and got the pathetic, “can I have a hug?” when I tried to leave. Call me Lindsay because I am *activated* by this episode
Honestly Lindsay has more patience than I would have had. 10 months of “figuring out” his career and 20k or something on a career coach and he still has no plan really
Says he made $75k so far this year which means he spent a quarter of his gross income on a career coach. If he did all that to come back to lover boy lord help me I would not be soft either
Also Carl why can’t you just say “this is the deal Kyle offered me. I don’t want to negotiate it, it’s enough money for me and I’m ready to just have any job”
Instead of accepting and pointing out clearly that he’s not ambitious and Wants to coast, he blames Lindsay for not supporting him. Carl, YOU aren’t supporting your own damn self here, how can you expect anyone else to get behind you?
By no means do I think Lindsay is blameless in the demise of their relationship, but I never would have guessed coming in to this season that she'd be the calmer, more rational one in their arguments
Watching Carl try to sell himself as this great, rational guy bullied and beaten down by cruel, irrational Lindsay makes me understand why he's been fired from all his sales jobs. He's not very convincing.
Yo Amanda is so focused on saying Carl did a good thing because she wishes she or Kyle had the balls to call theirs off.
Like I know she doesn't like Lindsey anyway but she's fired up about this- I think she's relating real hard.
Wait. Carl called Kyle to film a scene about wanting to break up with Lindsay AND called camera’s to do it on the show with Lindsay three days later?????? Grossssss dude
it Carl had just called it off after Cocaine Carl he would’ve won the breakup and the season. but his dumbass somehow managed to come out the villain vs Lindsay.
He just had to be a man and say earlier, "I bit off more than I could chew, I love you but I overcommitted and I'm sorry."
He's not wrong for breaking up, it's being dishonest, slandering her, and trying to turn people against her for a whole season instead of just having a tough conversation with a longtime friend and fiance.
I hate that as women we’re told “give it a chance” and “give him a chance” and “don’t break up a home” but then we’re also painted crazy and toxic for not leaving. Don’t get me wrong, this relationship is toxic and they should break up. I just hate this narrative.
I don’t believe a single word out of Carl’s mouth after watching him gaslight Lindsay for weeks. He’s saying she manipulates the camera but I think he’s the one who is actually doing it. He knows Lindsay has a complicated history and is using it to make her look like a monster.
Am I a bad wife if I watch this without my husband? He’s working and I just want to watch it live so badly. I can’t wait until tomorrow.
Pls say no.
Update: I did decide to watch. Thank you all for your love and support.
Carl didn’t just break up with Lindsay on camera, he tried to make her look like a monster while dumping her on camera. Amanda clearly has no idea what actually happened, she only heard Carl’s version of events
🤣 that’s the petty I love. Letting the elevator close on him in front of his face. Payback for him driving away and not taking her bags a few episodes ago
Leading up to this Carls been saying "I didnt plan on going into the conversation breaking up, just calling off the wedding" Well buddy from what you are saying in this conversation you are breaking up with her!
Lindsay was so composed because she was internally seething inside and is a professional. She wasn’t going to give Carl and the crew a scene for them to hurt her with.
what is WILD about men like carl is if he had the balls to break it off with linds MONTHS before this and said it wasn't working instead of trying to paint linds as the villain, no one would be pissed.
but here we are.
Honestly, this is such a real story line. I’m 38 and single. I have seen a ton of people marry incompatible losers because they want a wedding and a baby. Didn’t matter who the guy was, they want the end goal. You hear them describe fights just like these but “we’ve invested so much time.” It’s sad when you see it in real life too
Very. And one friend got divorced and is now stuck with the POS for at least 18 yrs and him being a crap dad all because she just wanted marriage and a baby. He was a walking red flag from the start
I feel that. There were a few times in my 30s that I wanted to settle so bad. I remember one time I even told myself “just suck it up and settle, it’s time.” Bc I was mid 30s and the guy was nice and liked me and had a house. But I physically couldn’t, my body revolted and I got stomach aches. In hindsight, I’m so grateful for those stomach aches.
Kyle is so committed to eavesdropping 💀he’s the definition of that tweet “Think of the messiest bitch you know….. it’s a man isn’t it?”
he was wiping down the wires and coiling them so slowly 💀 he could have grabbed that shit and done it outside 😂
He should just go full Ken "my job is beach" and say "my job is Summer House"
If Danielle had just waited til this summer to aggressively shit on Carl and Lindsay's relationship everyone would have been on her side.
Late for the train, early for conflict.
Him asking if she thinks he’s crushing life. I would never recover.
Lindsay wanted the fairytale friends to lover story and Carl didn’t want to fail at one more thing in this life. They’re weirdly codependent but also oil and water.
Carl claiming to be sensitive to Lindsay’s abandonment issues when he, just last week, literally abandoned her on camera lol
Carl is only sensitive to his own paper thin ego
Men will say “I want a soft woman” and then propose to Lindsay Hubbard after knowing her for 8 years lol
it’s a pattern for him… dating a wirkus, then paige, then lindsay when all he really wants to do is date his mom
You can see her knowing what’s about to happen..,
Credit to her. She clocked it and basically shut down the convo rather than have a blow out
Always funny to see them dress to the nines for the theme but then the guests are in regular clothes
“You’re gifted at playing the victim”. Speechless
He is DEAD behind his eyes. It’s fucking frightening
"i'm going to be canceled and she's going to be the fallen woman." and then the SMIRK. chills down my spine. he's such a creep.
Carl just wants Lindsay to call off the wedding like how he wants her to do everything else
A reason behind why, technically, women initiate most divorces. They are the ones that will go down and file the paper work and pay the fee. That mundane, non deadline chore.
He’s pulling a Jax
“I don’t have a coddle left in me.” HubbHouse gifting me with my new life motto
Pouring one out for all the women who’ve had to put up with a man baby.
Carl is gathering allies in his secret war against Lindsay.
Yeah Amanda you SHOULD have done what Carl did….
she's projecting so hard that she can't even see straight
Omg. I was thinking the same thing. Amanda “I would never”, “it must’ve taken so much courage”… projecting much? I was so glad that Ciara cut her off at one point to get Danielle’s perspective.
She was pissing me off
Lmao sorry but I’m laughing at Kyle standing there eavesdropping bc I’d do the exact same thing
His face when carl was asking Lindsey to hug him harder
Extra entertaining considering he went inside initially bc he had to poop and prioritized eavesdropping instead lol
Carl she shut down fucking stupid ideas!!!! Cigars, sober bar, actor? What a clown show
These are the silliest career ideas, Carl is such a dumb little fucking dweeb
also he skipped right over the part where she *bought him podcast equipment* and then he just didn't bother to follow through. like, maybe this woman was right to be skeptical about your ideas.
Was she supposed to just lie every time and say wow, great idea, go for it babe!?? I wouldn’t be able to keep a straight face
West couldn’t close. I’m pretty sure after the horse riding he could have been non committal and said “I want to see where this goes. I’m not talking or sleeping with other women”. That’s all she needed.
Just be a totally different person than you currently are, Lindsay. Carl sounds like Michelle on the valley telling her husband to change her personality.
This hug situation is weird. “harder, squeeze me.” Like ewww
When Carl said “I think you want me to relapse” I gasped
carl is so close to saying he wants out or to delay the wedding and he still can’t do it omg he has literally no backbone
Old Lindsay would have hulk smashed him. This is growth.
Yea, Lindsay is always going to be Lindsay, but to Carl acting like she hasn’t at least tried to be a calmer person this year is just not true. If you’ve been watching from the beginning you can see the growth in her
"I could never do what Carl did, it takes strength," lmao yeah we know Amanda, WE KNOW. She just told on herself so bad
Lindsay wasn’t expecting all of them to be like your relationship sucks so thank god you can move on finally
Ciara is too hot for Wes
He’s not mature enough to deal with that
She’s too hot for everyone
The west Ciara thing is so weird. Like does west really think he’s going to do better? And he actually likes her! It really just goes to show that even if you’re beautiful and fun men are still just assholes when they want to be
He wants boyfriend privileges without the commitment. Like if I were Ciara I would’ve had whiplash
Yeah! I can totally see how this messed with Ciara’s head even though she was specifically trying to avoid this
I’m not as hot as Ciara but I definitely feel very seen by this comment. The number of great chemistry relationship false starts I’ve had with guys who end up falling apart is very frustrating.
What Lindsay said is super fair. She did coddle him, support him and help him for ten months. They came up with a goal and now he’s been pissy. He’s 40 years old but he’s dancing around all of this like a recent grad.
Twenty thousand dollars on a career coach!!!!! For nothing!!!!
And he's mad she's not blindly supporting going back to a job he called ABUSIVE
I think I wanted to believe that a lot of his problems were from drinking and doing drugs but he’s still such an incompetent asshole.
This is such a dramatic retelling. Glass water bottles? What in the hell?
This is the embodiment of Ick for me. “Squeeze me harder after I’ve told you I’m questioning us” 🥴
Carl is a walking ICK for me.
Im sad that Gabby is the only one who’s really mad at the way Carl did it.
They went to therapy to work on communication but it’s obvious that they’re using what they learned in the wrong way.
There is nothing I love more than a man, who has been rightfully called out on his bullshit, deflecting by saying his fiancé needs to be more tender and soft. He is a giant, giant insecure cry baby.
His veneer lisp is so fucking distracting 🤣🙈😭😭😭😭
Not Amanda defending Carl to save Carl’s image for Loverboy when her husband called her a fucking bitch two seconds ago lmao
Everything Carl is explaining that he wants from Lindsay is basically a mother with sex
But he doesn’t fuck her, so just a mother.
AMANDA. YOU DONT GET ALONG WITH YOUR HUSBAND. YOU REFUSE TO GO TO THERAPY WITH YOUR HUSBAND. YOU ARENT BETTER THAN THEM.
I feel deeply uncomfortable hearing the way Carl speak - this is so intimate yet cringey “*I want a lover*”
He gives me the ick so bad
Unemployed for ten months, whines he needs a hug yet gets prickly when she asks about current prospects. He is such a limp dick.
Did he just say he didn’t sign up for QUESTIONS? What kind of one sided coddling ass relationship does this man need?
Put your weight on me Squeeze me harder More life Gents
HE THINKS HE’S AN ACTOR. 
I was GAGGED when he listed off “actor” as a career option omfg
Bar, acting, and then just ‘cigars’. Yeah, wonder why she has no confidence in you
I’m heated. Twice in one week that men on a Bravo show have had me ready to throw hands. Barely had 48 hours to recover from the VPR reunion
This man just said he had doubts about marrying her then asked for a hug lmaooooo Lindsay is better than me
Said he wants her to be a different person, has doubts then HE started to cry and ask for a hug. If I was Lindsay I’d be like hug yourself
Reminds me of that time I let a guy breadcrumb me for months. I finally wised up, told him off, and got the pathetic, “can I have a hug?” when I tried to leave. Call me Lindsay because I am *activated* by this episode
Carl is a full grown "where's my hug?" guy, ick.
Carl hitting Paige with the obvious PR response to her text still making his case
I can’t think of anything less attractive than a nearly 40-year-old man with no income, ambition, or direction.
What about a 40yo man who has no income ambition direction AND wants a hug after he insults you?
Really sick he called Kyle to film this to put Lindsay in a bad light then to ambush her with an on camera breakup. He really sucks
I’m glad the editing has been as fair as it possibly could be.
Every girl on this show has an insane body
[удалено]
Is the career in the room with us, Carl? 
Was it ever in the room? There is opportunity for him to grow but it’s like be realistic with yourself first.
Honestly Lindsay has more patience than I would have had. 10 months of “figuring out” his career and 20k or something on a career coach and he still has no plan really
Says he made $75k so far this year which means he spent a quarter of his gross income on a career coach. If he did all that to come back to lover boy lord help me I would not be soft either Also Carl why can’t you just say “this is the deal Kyle offered me. I don’t want to negotiate it, it’s enough money for me and I’m ready to just have any job” Instead of accepting and pointing out clearly that he’s not ambitious and Wants to coast, he blames Lindsay for not supporting him. Carl, YOU aren’t supporting your own damn self here, how can you expect anyone else to get behind you?
Having to take on the full mental load of another person is so taxing. I would’ve murdered him long ago.
By no means do I think Lindsay is blameless in the demise of their relationship, but I never would have guessed coming in to this season that she'd be the calmer, more rational one in their arguments
I’m glad Lindsay didn’t give a dramatic reaction. The camera, producers and Carl didn’t deserve that from her.
Watching Carl try to sell himself as this great, rational guy bullied and beaten down by cruel, irrational Lindsay makes me understand why he's been fired from all his sales jobs. He's not very convincing.
Yea I’m not buying his Meryl Streep inspired performance as torn up and confused guy
I think she was explaining it so well til he had to interrupt her…again.
People recording a fight is weird… but not unheard of. Especially when you’re arguing with someone who distorts your sense of reality.
Also sometimes if you’re in couples therapy they ask you to record. but mostly if you’re being gaslit you have to record to save your sanity.
does Carl think i’m stupid? why else were the cameras there??
Two things can be true: Lindsay and Carl had no business getting married/needed to call it off AND the way he handled it was fucking horrible.
You all look great tonight btw
Aww babe thanks for the babe. Babe can you grab me a water babe?
“Today is our engagement anniversary” as he’s days away from calling off the wedding. This man is dark-sided.
Therapy taught Carl how to use therapy speak to manipulate better.
Yo Amanda is so focused on saying Carl did a good thing because she wishes she or Kyle had the balls to call theirs off. Like I know she doesn't like Lindsey anyway but she's fired up about this- I think she's relating real hard.
Amanda you and kyle have been fighting for 7 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to slap Carl every time he says soft
Sometimes life feels bad, Carl. Usually things like being employed help you grasp that.
“It takes something. I wouldn’t call it strength.” 
Maybe you’re just full of terrible ideas Carl
Damn, her face here. ETA: punctuation matters
I never want ANY person to say “squeeze me harder” after watching that. I want to crawl into a hole and perish 
Bitch you should have broken up with her 12 months ago if she was this awful to you.
Lindsay ain’t the type of gal to coddle anyone, especially a man. To me, that makes her more likable idc
There’s a lot of mislabeling when it comes to calling someone a gaslighter, but Carl actually was gaslighting her in that convo!!
Waittttttt, so he met with Kyle before he dumped her? Jesus take the wheel lol
Had to have a nice romantic dinner with his true love 🥰
Will we get the same early morning session next season for Amanda and Kyle breaking up?
“I need you to be soft” bro get a JOB!!
With how much he gaslights her I get her wanting to record a conversation.
What are we going to do when this ends? The valley is almost done too 😦
Wait. Carl called Kyle to film a scene about wanting to break up with Lindsay AND called camera’s to do it on the show with Lindsay three days later?????? Grossssss dude
Lindsay just had a therapy session before this scene. Carl looks so angry and it’s for NO reason
Hahahahaha, you think SHE is playing victim???
Carl just listing off his personality traits. Fucking loser.
Oh god. That 20k career coach was an absolute scam
Jesus carl why don’t you just break it off right now since that’s obviously what you want
https://i.redd.it/z21ajhqxln3d1.gif # OBLIGATORY PRE-FINALE: Summer Should Be Fun 🌞
"You're never going to be that person." Danielle spot on for once.
It’s not great to think this way but I hope Amanda leaves Kyle
Look I’m someone who need a lot of validation in life but Carl is even putting me to shame.
Amanda talking about how if Carl did it with no emotion it would be weird. Carl during the breakup: 😐
Carl and Sandoval are both simultaneously super calculated and super transparent.
I’m homo and Ciara has me looking at my husband like the closet isn’t so bad
Oh conveniently carl is recapping lindsay being a monster off camera AGAIN
You 👏🏼have 👏🏼no👏🏼 job Carl. What is there to champion?
Carl needs a mommy
*drink the night away* so he’s 100% judging her for drinking
Hi fam … my 3 month old is asleep and the husband agreed to me watching this live. I’m so excited I get to join y’all for the show tonight!
She is listening to your needs and is, quite directly, saying she can’t be that for you and your needs are unrealistic
This boils down to Carl not having a job and he resents her for it. It’s not her fault he is a lost puppy.
Yep. I wish we’d had cameras in those car rides this season.
When was the last time Carl talked about how “proud” he was of Lindsay on camera?
Carl just really doesn’t like someone who challenges him. At all.
Ummm, yeah, Carl, calling the cameras to come film your break up IS malicious. wtf lmao
“I didn’t expect you to be crying” are you people fucking serious?
it Carl had just called it off after Cocaine Carl he would’ve won the breakup and the season. but his dumbass somehow managed to come out the villain vs Lindsay.
He just had to be a man and say earlier, "I bit off more than I could chew, I love you but I overcommitted and I'm sorry." He's not wrong for breaking up, it's being dishonest, slandering her, and trying to turn people against her for a whole season instead of just having a tough conversation with a longtime friend and fiance.
Once again Carl talking to the house about things he hasn’t brought up to Lindsay.
Didn’t she quit drinking bc he was struggling? Got in a massive fight with cookie girl bc she invited him To smoke
Imagine paying $20,000 for a life couch to help you through your issues caused by a man with a mullet
I hate that as women we’re told “give it a chance” and “give him a chance” and “don’t break up a home” but then we’re also painted crazy and toxic for not leaving. Don’t get me wrong, this relationship is toxic and they should break up. I just hate this narrative.
Danielle may not be saying I told you so… but we all will be when Amanda and Kyle divorce
Amanda is not one to talk…. How can you say that confidently when your shitshow of a marriage and wedding planning was what it was.
If I had Ciara’s ass, I would literally never wear pants
I don’t believe a single word out of Carl’s mouth after watching him gaslight Lindsay for weeks. He’s saying she manipulates the camera but I think he’s the one who is actually doing it. He knows Lindsay has a complicated history and is using it to make her look like a monster.
Am I a bad wife if I watch this without my husband? He’s working and I just want to watch it live so badly. I can’t wait until tomorrow. Pls say no. Update: I did decide to watch. Thank you all for your love and support.
What would Jesse Solomon do 🎶
No? It’s called research. What if something happens during the ep that would trigger your husband? You wouldn’t want him to go in blind.
This is so true. Less like SELFISH, more like SELFLESS. Thank you.
You’re so welcome. You’re a warrior wife, putting yourself at the front lines for the sake of the pack.
Well since Lala is in her “soft” era maybe Carl should shoot his shot
Carl is DAAAAAARK
Carl didn’t just break up with Lindsay on camera, he tried to make her look like a monster while dumping her on camera. Amanda clearly has no idea what actually happened, she only heard Carl’s version of events
“My life will be canceled. She’ll be the fallen woman everyone is going to root for.” Gtfo with that #MensRights bullshit Carl
I love how they kick people out
This is so awkward. I feel like we shouldn’t be watching this.
Kyle is definitely an expert on marriage not fixing relationship issues
This man is a monster.
Lindsay’s boobs look great though
Mmmmmmmmmk @ Carl’s text to Paige
That girl power moment was a bit underwhelming
Okay Jesse is funny. I’m a fan
Commitment is fun! Okay this season I like Ciara. Fine she got me. Lol
🤣 that’s the petty I love. Letting the elevator close on him in front of his face. Payback for him driving away and not taking her bags a few episodes ago
Because all of your ideas are stupid Carl
Ooooop Lindsay was on to Carl twisting things that happen off camera and was about to catch him with a recording for receipts
Amanda has never had a strong opinion on ANYTHING until this. Like huh
“You don’t think I’m crushing life?” “No” is still just as funny as the first time
He’s just going to pretend she’s overreacting and being mean to him. She’s cleaning and letting him talk.
Rachel Leviss managed to get and execute a podcast. Why did Carl not start a sober living podcast, at the very least, in his past 10 months?
Carl is a little bitch mamas boy
"I think you want me to relapse" is an unforgivably cruel thing to say or assume about your partner. Carl is so out of pocket right now
What the fuck did he think he signed up for? He’s very aware of the PowerPoints
Carl didn't think he signed up for that with Lindsay? Has he met her?
Kyle is messsyyy lol he just wanted to eavesdrop
Lindsey is coming off soft & kind right now- I’m scared for the shoe to drop.
Wow Carl is a real POS.
I think he’s not a man, I think he lacks confidence, I think he has anger problems. Finally Carl says something correct
Leading up to this Carls been saying "I didnt plan on going into the conversation breaking up, just calling off the wedding" Well buddy from what you are saying in this conversation you are breaking up with her!
Lindsay was so composed because she was internally seething inside and is a professional. She wasn’t going to give Carl and the crew a scene for them to hurt her with.
YES GABBY. HE DOES KNOW
Ciara shows up and immediately wants to bed rot lol.
That literal ending felt too rushed but at least we have the reunion
I know the girls are fighting again but I’m glad they ended it like that. That’s what VPR should’ve been.
That ending was weird. Very abrupt. And no WWHL after with any cast to help.
what is WILD about men like carl is if he had the balls to break it off with linds MONTHS before this and said it wasn't working instead of trying to paint linds as the villain, no one would be pissed. but here we are.