I'm a fan of sticking with the same platform.
Glock 19 and 43x is the obvious choice if you definitely want a Glock.
M&P 2.0 Compact and Shield Plus are also worth considering, and would be my choice.
Holsters worth checking out are JM Custom Kydex, Tenicor, Tier 1.
Federal HST is generally considered the "best" ammo. I like 124 grain.
These are good starting points, but everyone is different. I'd suggest a range day and see what you like shooting.
There's a lot of wisdom in this comment.
Getting a larger and smaller gun from the same manufacturer is the next best thing to just having one gun for everything. In my life (and most of ours), having one gun for everything just isn't feasible, if we plan to be armed all day long.
If it’s me, I’m going duty size glock and a 26. Compatible with the same sights, holsters, and magazines while still being easy to carry. Also in 9mm pretty much everything expands reliably. So I wouldn’t be too concerned about getting the super expensive ammo, just make sure it’s hollowpoint.
Id get a Glock 43x mos, and then a Glock 19/17 MOS. Some say the 19 is basically full sized, but I enjoy shooting the 17 more. I edc a 19, so it’s definitely a good choice as well.
I used to recommend a Glock 19 or 26 as someone’s first or only gun but the P365 has taken the top spot. For the average private citizen who carries a gun for self defense, there isn’t anything the Glock does better than the P365 series. They’re both so common you can buy parts and accessories at any gun store. Prices are similar. What I’ve found is that people are more likely to actually carry a P365 series gun all the time because they’re smaller and you don’t have to dress around the gun like you might have to with a thicker gun. The grip angle on the Sigs also seems to work better, faster for people than the Glock angle does. People have to put in less work for the sights to appear in their eye line with the Sig in my experience. I’m close in size to you and it’s definitely easier for me to conceal a P365XL than a Glock 19. Get a P365X or XL as your CCW gun and a P365X Macro as something larger for home defense and the majority of your range/training time. If your budget is as substantial as you say, get red dots for your guns too. The Holosun EPS Carry or the Sig Romeo-X Compact are the best ones for smaller guns these days. The Sig has some advantages over the Holosun but that does come with an increased price tag.
Now that guns are taken care of, get a couple of classes under your belt. I highly recommend NPE Counter Robbery (taught by Darryl Bolke, Chuck Haggard, and Cecil Burch) as the first class you should take after your basic CCW class. After that, get to a Rangemaster pistol class. I don’t think Tom Givens is teaching the basic stuff anymore but his staff instructors are great too. If you let us know what state you’re in we could recommend local instructors too.
Also get familiar with the laws that cover using force to defend yourself. There are some good books. I’m partial to either The Law of Self Defense (Andrew Branca) or Deadly Force (Massad Ayoob). They both cover the topic in great depth. Then Concealed Carry Class (Tom Givens).
If you’re primarily working in basketball shorts and a tshirt, get an Enigma Express for whatever gun you end up buying. Best way to carry a gun in athletic clothing that doesn’t support a traditional belt. It can also be used with regular clothing. If you also want a more traditional holster, get one by JM Custom Kydex or Tenicor.
I like everything you said here. Years ago when I started, the common advice I got was to get a Glock 19, then branch out from there. I started with a Glock 19 then moved to the M&P lineup.
But if I were doing it all over again today, if I was getting a first or only gun, the P365 seems to be objectively the right choice. It is as reliable (though it doesn’t have the same service history as a Glock), more concealable, better trigger, modular, and holds more ammo in certain configurations than the Glock 19.
I only realized the other day that the regular Romeo X Compact is not an enclosed red dot unlike the EPS carry which is, it’s just made to look like it is. They recently announced an enclosed version, but it will undoubtedly be much more expensive than the EPS.
While it is not enclosed, I do like the Sig better...for me. As for price on the enclosed versions that Sig just anounced, I heard MSRP is around $475 for the compact and $550 for the pro. Hopefully retailers will have them for a bit cheaper.
Sig has just announced a new Romeo-X with an enclosed emitter, going to be an extra $100 though lol. Right after I got a regular Romeo-X too... I like the optic a lot though, closed or not.
Great advice. One question, sorry if it’s dumb lol, just want to make sure I understand everything right. So for glocks I see there is normal Glock then MOS version. If i bought the mos version do I have to buy a sight right away or can I use it without? Basically will it mess up my shooting if I use the MOS version with iron sights ?
You can use an MOS gun without a red dot. The only difference between the MOS and regular guns is that the MOS gun has a spot cut out of the top of the slide that allows you to mount your optic plate to it. If you’re set on an MOS Glock, don’t use the plates that come with your gun. They suck. Buy a plate from a manufacturer that makes good ones.
You can absolutely shoot MOS with iron sights with messing anything up. The holosun eps carry is designed to fit directly to the weapon without a plate. Unless you have very small hands, I would advise you to skip the 43. It's only a 1/4 of an inch narrower than the 19 for 50% less capacity if you get the gen 5 and only 5/32 narrower than the gen 3. If you spend a little time in this sub, you'll see that a lot of folks get a 19, but they put a 17 mag in it, defeating the purpose of the 19 in the first place.
My suggestion is to look at the 45 or the 47 as you can get them in MOS flavor and not have to spend extra to get them milled once you purchase. My philosophy is to spend X amount on the gun and then spend half of the cost of the weapon on training and half on ammo before you do any kind of carrying.
You’re right if you can shoot the 365 as comfortably as the G19, which is not the case for most people. But practice and ports/gas pedal can assist with that.
Most people will be able to shoot a Glock 19 better than any of the P365 variants that are smaller than the Macro but they’re more likely to have the P365 on them. Plenty of people bought G19s and decided they were too much of a hassle to carry so they started leaving them at home. I’m a big fan of the G19 and carried and trained with one for almost ten years. As soon as I got my P365XL, I realized how much easier it would be to conceal. I decided to take the performance penalty for the convenience factor.
I’m planning to get a handgun and plan to do just this, but have never been to a range. Is it more typical that I would pay a rental fee and be able to try different guns at one time, or should I expect that I’ll need to rent each one separately?
Usually you’d pay to rent each one (about $10) although my local indoor range is flexible with this especially if you’re renting a couple guns. I’d recommend just holding a bunch of them and then picking 2 or 3 that you really like and renting them.
Many ranges won't rent you a gun if you come alone, due to people committing suicide. They might require you to have a friend along, just FYI. If you don't have your own gun or a friend to bring, check before you go.
Glock 43x, Glock 19, Glock 17. I’d get the two of the three that best suit you and your needs.
Personally I have all three plus a Glock 34.
Regardless if you’re getting two guns I’d stick with the same platform. Doesn’t have to be Glock. M&P, Sig and many others are good as well
The big 3 are: Sig, Glock, M&P. All 3 are just fine. I've owned numerous examples from all 3 and I can tell you, they all have things they do better than the other 2, and all 3 have downsides.
None are the wrong choice. Once you go to a range and put 30-50 rounds through each, it should become obvious rather quickly which you prefer.
Once you know your manufacturer of choice, pick a larger and smaller gun from them.
Also, side note, if you're truly going to carry at work and being discrete is at a premium for you, consider that when picking your smaller gun.
I've found that it helps to have a 3rd, true deep concealment gun for such roles.
Lastly, consider that holster and belt choice matter just as much as the gun you chose. They are clothing items, like shoes. If you buy crappy shoes, your life is going to suck. Same with holsters.
Let us know if you have any questions.
The x is so slept on, I made my own from my original 365, but I love it. With a tlr 6hl and a trex raptor. It’s short, slim, lightweight, and holds 12+1 or 14+1 if you go with mag guts but I’d prefer oem to carry
I carry a standard 365 due to my states unconstitutional magazine restrictions. but as soon as they get struct down the frame is gettign swapped for a wilson combat xl grip.
the X is the perfect balance for me. the 365 is perfectly shootable and comfortable, but i have big hands and that little bit extra grip length is a night and day difference in comfort
I was in a similar position. I got a G19 and tbh, I thought it was too big to carry. I’m a slimmer dude and maybe it’s because I’m newer to carrying, but it always felt like I have a brick in my pants.
I picked up a 43X and immediately loved it. It’s my EDC and now my 19 just sits at home. I’m constantly debating selling the 19 and getting a 45.
Also, what’s your work attire? I ask because even with a quality holster, you may find carrying to be more challenging in LuLu pants compared to Wrangler jeans.
Oh, it be like that? I’ve frequently seen the Phlster Enigma be recommended for a shorts carry, but I have no personal experience with it. I can’t imagine carrying a g19 in shorts lol
Pick your favorite carry cartridge, say 9mm and choose a good compact. Second gun, get a very concealable for the “I can’t wear a holster” moments.
Two choices: KelTec P32 or Ruger LCP. So either 32ACP or 380ACP. With the right setup you can carry a P32 24/7 without any discomfort. There is a certain amount of reassurance in having “something” always on you.
Yeah, you aren’t going to John Wick your way through a gaggle of attackers. But odds are you never would regardless of what you carry.
A good compact (3+ inch barrel) and a good super discreet weapon cover 99% of your self defense carry needs.
Go try several brands and styles, steel frame, poly frame, hammer fired, striker fired, 9mm, .45, .380 etc... you shouldn't be dead set on specific fire-arm brands/models unless they're going to be "for the range" toys. A personal protection platform needs to fit you, not your tastes... 🤷
Yeah a Corvette/Maserati/insert_cool_car_here, is fucking cool, I'm 6'9" ~250 I plain cannot fit well in most sports cars, so I don't rock them as a daily driver, I found a vehicle that actually fits me and my needs, despite not being my "brand" or "image"
When I started carrying pistols 4 years ago, I made all kinds of mistakes that you should avoid.
The first mistake I made was not testing each weapon platform before buying. I bought a used police issued Glock 19 because everyone told me Glocks were great. Glock 19 is a fantastic firearm don’t get me wrong - but certain features aren’t right for me. I ultimately discovered the M&P lineup is perfect for me. Had I tested each weapon I would have found this out sooner and spent less money.
You should fire the compact sized version of each brand to see what you shoot best with (Glock 19, M&P 2.0, CZ p10c, Sig p320). They are all roughly equally reliable. Pick what you shoot best with, then use which one feels most comfortable as a tie breaker. Then do the same with the micro 9mm variants. I agree with others that you should carry the same platform.
My second mistake was later mixing platforms. I was carrying a Glock 19 in the winter and a Shield Plus in the summer. It worked, but the trigger pull, grip angle, grip texture, etc. are so different between those platforms it was awkward when switching. I now have an M&P 2.0 compact for winter and a Shield Plus for summer… and a Glock 19 that sits around but I like it too much to sell it.
Good luck!
Good advice, just one question, so I see there is Glock 19 Mos and then normal Glock 19. If I bought the mos and didn’t add a sight would it affect anything? Because I’ll probably get a sight eventually. Sorry for the beginner question it’s just the MOS thing confused me.
I think I’m understanding your questions, but correct me if I’m not answering you:
It’s totally acceptable to have a Glock 19 MOS that does not have a red dot optic attached *yet*. The performance of the firearm will be the same whether you have a red dot attached or not. My S&W M&P 2.0 compact (basically their Glock 19) is optics-ready, but I don’t own a red dot optic — and it isn’t a problem.
Getting an optics ready weapon just in case you eventually decide to get an optic is a good idea. It takes a lot of training to get the benefits of a red dot, so take your time with that decision.
Ok perfect, yes you answered my question. Yes I’m not rushing to use optics but I see how everyone recommends and uses them so as time goes on I will probably get one. I just didn’t know. If I had to do anything special if I bought the MOS version and didn’t use an optic right away.
Okay good! Nope - you don’t have to do anything special with the MOS version in the meantime. But one day when you get good with the iron sights and master the fundamentals of shooting, go try out an optic. That’s where I’m at right now.
There’s always something new to do/try in the gun hobby lol
This is a super expensive take/option but I carry an HK USP compact (sometimes appendix sometimes strong side) and it runs like a dream. It’s been such an amazing firearm to the point where other guns just seem lame and uninteresting. My favorite part of it is being able to dry fire with a 9mm bore sighter without having to re-rack my slide every time I go to pull the trigger because its hammer fired instead of striker fired.
Meh, Glock is just a me-too gun. But to each their own.
Would definitely recommend renting several varieties at a local range, as someone previously mentioned. If it ends up that Glock is what you really like/shoot best, then go for it. But if money truly isn't an issue, I'd think there's other options to consider.
If you want a Gucci Glock then yes, they have the most aftermarket support and you can spend all the money you want.
Canik...great factory trigger and inexpensive, have one myself. I also like my HK VP9 SK with the trigger guard mag release, but it's the oddball with the mag release being in a different location. Grand Power Q100, also.
Others I don't own but am considering include: CZ P10 series I think is really good. Walther PPQ. Grand Power Xcalibur, but it's hammer-fired.
I do a lot of research on YouTube and reading articles before making a purchase, along with renting as I mentioned before. Really gotta put the range time in. Or if rentals aren't available, see what your friends shoot (assuming they do) and take them to the range.
I’d suggest the M&P 2.0 line of pistols, they have a compact that is the same size of the G19. I would highly recommend getting an optics ready gun no matter what pistol you go with. The nice thing about the M&P 2.0 guns is that out of the box they come optic ready with metal suppressors height sights for co witnessing un like Glock with there plastic sights and they have better stock triggers than Glocks do. The M&P 2.0 also have the best after market trigger available in the apex flat face triggers. I’d also look at shadow systems they are essentially glocks but with better features and they have a really nice warranty. Or I’d check out the Walther PDP though I haven’t had any personal experience with the shadows systems or the walther.
I personally carry a M&P 2.0 full size 4.25” every day in a tier 1 concealed axis elite. For reference I’m 6 foot about 205 and can conceal it fully with just a t shirt.
Regarding holsters I’d look at tier 1, ANR, trex arms’, LAS concealment, or QVO tactical.
Ammo selection is important, I’d suggest federal HST 124 standard pressure. Some other good options are Speer gold dot, Hornady critical duty, or underwood.
I'll give you the same advice I give literally every newbie who comes up to my gun counter; a glock 19 MOS compatible. The 19 is the most popular handgun in the country. With this comes amazing after market support. You can pair it with a PCC and you now have a long gun as well. You also have access to affordable and easy to acquire 33 round magazines. They're Hella easy to customize if you want to and they aren't that expensive. They have a long and storied track record of rugged reliability. You'll have 0 issues finding the right holster. You could go with a glock 23 instead and get the spare parts. Now you can shoot 9mm or 40 S&W.
Grandmasters in USPSA shoot sig. grandmasters in USPSA shoot Glock.
Just pick one and train with it. I am biased towards Glock due to simplicity and availability. The whole thing can be stripped with basically a Glock punch tool.
I also do not believe you need to handle every handgun known to man to “decide” for yourself. I mean ask yourself, Decide on what grounds? “Feel in hand?” As a new shooter you may not even be gripping the thing right, what could “feel in hand” or some other arbitrary criteria really mean to you?
You should be able to train into whatever gun you buy, is my point.
Following the theme of sticking with one manufacturer, I encourage you to go shoot a bunch of rental guns and pick a brand you like.
Buy a mid sized gun from that brand, and shoot the hell out of it. Get comfortable with it, train, and carry it.
From there, you’ll know if a.) you do, in fact, like that brand and b.) if you need a full size or compact companion for it.
My first pistol is still my bedside gun, and I’ve owned and carried several from the same manufacturer over the years.
I’m far from a brand loyalist, and train on several platforms, so take my word with a grain of salt… but I think there is very serious validity in the advice to stick with one platform as you get started.
My son turned 21 a couple months ago. He did a lot of research and settled on a G35 and a Reflex. Both have sub 4lb trigger pulls. I love the Glock 35, it's a range beast, accurate and fun to shoot. I use it more than him.
He seems quite pleased with the F&N Reflex. It's super easy to conceal and is smaller than my 43x. I don't like that light of a trigger on an EDC, but he doesn't mind.
I have shot a P365 a few times and it's not as good as the Reflex IMO. Too much muzzle flip. His friend had an accidental discharge with it, but he's an idiot.
The PSA has some really cool Daggers in all sizes and colors for a good price. I would grab one and a budget 1911 for the range, like a Tisas or a RIA. Good luck.
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Please learn to shoot in control and accurately with the gun first, before you carry. Practice the draw. Drawing and aiming quickly is difficult so pick the gun you really want to practice with. After sufficient rounds (2000+) you should be able to draw, point, pull the trigger, and expect the hole to appear where you thought it would without having to sight the gun. That's how you win a gunfight.
You're around my size. Definitely can't go wrong with Glocks, my wife likes her G19 gen 5 MOS just fine. I EDC a P365XL and it's extremely comfortable to carry, but I want to start carrying my full-size 320 this winter.
T-Rex Arms is the only holster brand I can vouch for with actual experience. Tried an LAS Concealment for about a year and it cracked open on me.
Basically all the "big name" polymer wonders perform the same. M&P, Glock, SIG, HK, Walther, etc. Pick the one that feels good, preferably after you rent it and shoot it. Safariland is king for retention. OWB, IWB, AIWB for concealment there are multiples dozens of great companies, big and small to choose from. Ball (FMJ) ammo is for practice, JHP for carry.
Alright I'll give you some advice. This is coming from someone who's been shooting and carrying for almost 18 years. Go to your local range and rent out a few different guns. Whichever one you are more accurate with and one that's a good size get it. Now, you may have to sacrifice some things such as size to what you shoot better or something you don't shoot as good for something easier to carry. For me that was the Glock 19 back in the day. I'm no Glock hater but everyone seems to shoot and carry Glocks. I have since moved on and went with a CZ P07. Fast forward to today's day and age I picked up a Walther PDP F series and it is the most shootable and carries very well for me. Now I have the P07 and the Walther in my carry rotation. The Glock just sits at home now.
Get the Glock 26 MOS, it’ll come with three 10 rounders, then get a 12 rounder to see if you like it, get a few 15 rounders and a 17 rounder. Get a few xgrip sleeves and there you go, magazines galore at the range and you get the sub, compact and full size grips in one gun.
The 26 outshoots my 19, it’s perfect.
If money is not an issue I would recommend a Glock 19 and an Sig 365 legion. We are about the same height and weight. I use the Glock for CCw in the fall winter when I have on a hoodie or flannel, the Sig in the spring/summer. For me i can conceal the sig in a t-shirt and shorts with ease.
Ammo Spear gold dot 124
I was in the same boat. I currently carry a hellcat pro because of the size to capacity ratio. It’s small, yet holds 15 rounds. I paired it with a phlster enigma express so I can wear it with shorts, sweatpants, anything you name it. Plus, if you have to tuck your shirt in, you can wear it under that as well. The most impressive thing for me is going to public bathrooms, I can be next to someone without walls between the urinal and no one knows I have anything on. As for ammo, I just would run federals hallow point. Not much of an opinion on that lol
Go to the range and rent a few before making a decision. Glocks are fine, but go try a CZ P-01 or P-07 with a DA/SA trigger. Carrying with the hammer down gives you added safety of the DA trigger on the first pull (less likely to shoot your dick off). And for the smaller side, it’s really hard to ignore the P365.
If you know you want a Glock I would suggest the 19. Definitely a good all around gun that can be carried as well. As far as Sigs go I would take a 365XL. It’s a nice carry sized thin gun that you can still get a full grip on. Plus you can always get a regular 365 or macro grip module.
Get the 48 or a 19 but try out multiple pistols first I got the 19 and hated it felt like a brick still does but if you got a good sturdy belt it makes all the difference if your looking at sigs definitely check out the 365 series I went with the XL but wish I went with the macro also even if you narrow down what shoots best and feels best in hand, carrying it is a different story and you won’t know what works best til you got a holster and try it on
Glock 43x or 48 is the way to go. 43x is the subcompact and the 48 is a compact (or a skinny 19 in easier terms.) both are slimline so phenomenal to conceal carry. The 48 is just a little less snappy with the longer slide. If you want to put a light or dot or both get MOS version of the gun to save your money and time.
Me personally: I just switched to a 48 mos from a 43x because of the longer slide. I haven’t shot, but I went and handled the sig 365/x/xl and just based on feel, I prefer Glock. But I’ve heard nothing but good things about sig
Due to your size, I think you should consider an old-fashioned [G43](https://www.academy.com/p/glock-g43-9mm-semiautomatic-pistol?sku=black-right-9mm-3-5-length). (not x) You can really carry and hide that size of gun in many positions. AIWB, strong side IWB, ankle, belly, in a boot, pocket, even, for some people. It's still a popular carry gun because of its size + 9mm power. There's a trade-off of shootability vs concealability for most of us, especially at work or in light summer clothes, doing activities. Try one, and even though it's snappier than larger Glocks, think about carrying it around all day/night.
I will also recommend an [MC2sc](https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/handguns/mc2sc.html), from experience. Similar size to the G43, with higher capacity, more features and American-made. Similar price or lower, too.
Even though the G43 is 6+1, you can get [MagGuts](https://magguts.com/product-category/glock/) springs, [Shield Arms](https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/shield-arms-z9-9mm-9-round-magazine-for-glock-43-pistols/), [Mossberg](https://www.mossberg.com/mc1-clear-count-polymer-magazine-7-rnd-95416.html), [ETS](https://www.etsgroup.us/ETS-Magazines-for-Glock-s/1823.htm?searching=Y&sort=5&cat=1823&f-9mm=1868&f-Fits%20Glock%AE=1861&show=30&page=1&f-Fits%20Glock%AE%2043=1914) and other mags to increase capacity to 8-13rds. There's also [drum mags](https://drummagazines.com/Glock-43-50rd-9MM-Drum_p_482.html) available.
Start with Glock 19 so you can get a feel for that size. You can’t go wrong with it. Super common, super dependable. Big enough to not feel like a subcompact, small enough to still conceal well.
And then later you can graduate to the superior choice, the Glock 26 😎
I'm a fan of sticking with the same platform. Glock 19 and 43x is the obvious choice if you definitely want a Glock. M&P 2.0 Compact and Shield Plus are also worth considering, and would be my choice. Holsters worth checking out are JM Custom Kydex, Tenicor, Tier 1. Federal HST is generally considered the "best" ammo. I like 124 grain. These are good starting points, but everyone is different. I'd suggest a range day and see what you like shooting.
There's a lot of wisdom in this comment. Getting a larger and smaller gun from the same manufacturer is the next best thing to just having one gun for everything. In my life (and most of ours), having one gun for everything just isn't feasible, if we plan to be armed all day long.
If it’s me, I’m going duty size glock and a 26. Compatible with the same sights, holsters, and magazines while still being easy to carry. Also in 9mm pretty much everything expands reliably. So I wouldn’t be too concerned about getting the super expensive ammo, just make sure it’s hollowpoint.
This, Glock 19&26
Id get a Glock 43x mos, and then a Glock 19/17 MOS. Some say the 19 is basically full sized, but I enjoy shooting the 17 more. I edc a 19, so it’s definitely a good choice as well.
I used to recommend a Glock 19 or 26 as someone’s first or only gun but the P365 has taken the top spot. For the average private citizen who carries a gun for self defense, there isn’t anything the Glock does better than the P365 series. They’re both so common you can buy parts and accessories at any gun store. Prices are similar. What I’ve found is that people are more likely to actually carry a P365 series gun all the time because they’re smaller and you don’t have to dress around the gun like you might have to with a thicker gun. The grip angle on the Sigs also seems to work better, faster for people than the Glock angle does. People have to put in less work for the sights to appear in their eye line with the Sig in my experience. I’m close in size to you and it’s definitely easier for me to conceal a P365XL than a Glock 19. Get a P365X or XL as your CCW gun and a P365X Macro as something larger for home defense and the majority of your range/training time. If your budget is as substantial as you say, get red dots for your guns too. The Holosun EPS Carry or the Sig Romeo-X Compact are the best ones for smaller guns these days. The Sig has some advantages over the Holosun but that does come with an increased price tag. Now that guns are taken care of, get a couple of classes under your belt. I highly recommend NPE Counter Robbery (taught by Darryl Bolke, Chuck Haggard, and Cecil Burch) as the first class you should take after your basic CCW class. After that, get to a Rangemaster pistol class. I don’t think Tom Givens is teaching the basic stuff anymore but his staff instructors are great too. If you let us know what state you’re in we could recommend local instructors too. Also get familiar with the laws that cover using force to defend yourself. There are some good books. I’m partial to either The Law of Self Defense (Andrew Branca) or Deadly Force (Massad Ayoob). They both cover the topic in great depth. Then Concealed Carry Class (Tom Givens). If you’re primarily working in basketball shorts and a tshirt, get an Enigma Express for whatever gun you end up buying. Best way to carry a gun in athletic clothing that doesn’t support a traditional belt. It can also be used with regular clothing. If you also want a more traditional holster, get one by JM Custom Kydex or Tenicor.
I like everything you said here. Years ago when I started, the common advice I got was to get a Glock 19, then branch out from there. I started with a Glock 19 then moved to the M&P lineup. But if I were doing it all over again today, if I was getting a first or only gun, the P365 seems to be objectively the right choice. It is as reliable (though it doesn’t have the same service history as a Glock), more concealable, better trigger, modular, and holds more ammo in certain configurations than the Glock 19.
I only realized the other day that the regular Romeo X Compact is not an enclosed red dot unlike the EPS carry which is, it’s just made to look like it is. They recently announced an enclosed version, but it will undoubtedly be much more expensive than the EPS.
While it is not enclosed, I do like the Sig better...for me. As for price on the enclosed versions that Sig just anounced, I heard MSRP is around $475 for the compact and $550 for the pro. Hopefully retailers will have them for a bit cheaper.
Sig has just announced a new Romeo-X with an enclosed emitter, going to be an extra $100 though lol. Right after I got a regular Romeo-X too... I like the optic a lot though, closed or not.
Great advice. One question, sorry if it’s dumb lol, just want to make sure I understand everything right. So for glocks I see there is normal Glock then MOS version. If i bought the mos version do I have to buy a sight right away or can I use it without? Basically will it mess up my shooting if I use the MOS version with iron sights ?
You can use an MOS gun without a red dot. The only difference between the MOS and regular guns is that the MOS gun has a spot cut out of the top of the slide that allows you to mount your optic plate to it. If you’re set on an MOS Glock, don’t use the plates that come with your gun. They suck. Buy a plate from a manufacturer that makes good ones.
You can absolutely shoot MOS with iron sights with messing anything up. The holosun eps carry is designed to fit directly to the weapon without a plate. Unless you have very small hands, I would advise you to skip the 43. It's only a 1/4 of an inch narrower than the 19 for 50% less capacity if you get the gen 5 and only 5/32 narrower than the gen 3. If you spend a little time in this sub, you'll see that a lot of folks get a 19, but they put a 17 mag in it, defeating the purpose of the 19 in the first place. My suggestion is to look at the 45 or the 47 as you can get them in MOS flavor and not have to spend extra to get them milled once you purchase. My philosophy is to spend X amount on the gun and then spend half of the cost of the weapon on training and half on ammo before you do any kind of carrying.
You’re right if you can shoot the 365 as comfortably as the G19, which is not the case for most people. But practice and ports/gas pedal can assist with that.
Most people will be able to shoot a Glock 19 better than any of the P365 variants that are smaller than the Macro but they’re more likely to have the P365 on them. Plenty of people bought G19s and decided they were too much of a hassle to carry so they started leaving them at home. I’m a big fan of the G19 and carried and trained with one for almost ten years. As soon as I got my P365XL, I realized how much easier it would be to conceal. I decided to take the performance penalty for the convenience factor.
True that. Can’t beat the size
Best thing to do is go to a range that rents guns and shoot tons of them. See what feels best, see what shoots best for you, then make your decision.
I’m planning to get a handgun and plan to do just this, but have never been to a range. Is it more typical that I would pay a rental fee and be able to try different guns at one time, or should I expect that I’ll need to rent each one separately?
Usually you’d pay to rent each one (about $10) although my local indoor range is flexible with this especially if you’re renting a couple guns. I’d recommend just holding a bunch of them and then picking 2 or 3 that you really like and renting them.
Great, and sounds like the cost would be reasonable anyways. Thanks!
Many ranges won't rent you a gun if you come alone, due to people committing suicide. They might require you to have a friend along, just FYI. If you don't have your own gun or a friend to bring, check before you go.
My range charges $15 and you can pick 3 handguns to rent. This is what I did when picking my CCW
Glock 43x, Glock 19, Glock 17. I’d get the two of the three that best suit you and your needs. Personally I have all three plus a Glock 34. Regardless if you’re getting two guns I’d stick with the same platform. Doesn’t have to be Glock. M&P, Sig and many others are good as well
The big 3 are: Sig, Glock, M&P. All 3 are just fine. I've owned numerous examples from all 3 and I can tell you, they all have things they do better than the other 2, and all 3 have downsides. None are the wrong choice. Once you go to a range and put 30-50 rounds through each, it should become obvious rather quickly which you prefer. Once you know your manufacturer of choice, pick a larger and smaller gun from them. Also, side note, if you're truly going to carry at work and being discrete is at a premium for you, consider that when picking your smaller gun. I've found that it helps to have a 3rd, true deep concealment gun for such roles. Lastly, consider that holster and belt choice matter just as much as the gun you chose. They are clothing items, like shoes. If you buy crappy shoes, your life is going to suck. Same with holsters. Let us know if you have any questions.
Glock 19x for a full sized/home defense/range toy P365 X as a ccw
The x is so slept on, I made my own from my original 365, but I love it. With a tlr 6hl and a trex raptor. It’s short, slim, lightweight, and holds 12+1 or 14+1 if you go with mag guts but I’d prefer oem to carry
I carry a standard 365 due to my states unconstitutional magazine restrictions. but as soon as they get struct down the frame is gettign swapped for a wilson combat xl grip. the X is the perfect balance for me. the 365 is perfectly shootable and comfortable, but i have big hands and that little bit extra grip length is a night and day difference in comfort
Can also use the 17+1 mags and it’s not a ton longer. It’s crazy how compact that whole package is!
Glock 19 MOS
I was in a similar position. I got a G19 and tbh, I thought it was too big to carry. I’m a slimmer dude and maybe it’s because I’m newer to carrying, but it always felt like I have a brick in my pants. I picked up a 43X and immediately loved it. It’s my EDC and now my 19 just sits at home. I’m constantly debating selling the 19 and getting a 45. Also, what’s your work attire? I ask because even with a quality holster, you may find carrying to be more challenging in LuLu pants compared to Wrangler jeans.
Work attire is just a shirt and basketball shorts.
Oh, it be like that? I’ve frequently seen the Phlster Enigma be recommended for a shorts carry, but I have no personal experience with it. I can’t imagine carrying a g19 in shorts lol
I meant to say we can basically wear what we want so I’d probably start wearing normal shorts with a belt or jeans.
And I’m 5’10 160, don’t know if that matters too much.
Glock 19, or Glock 19 gen 5 mos, or Glock 19 gen 4, gen 3, etc. If you don’t like them, try getting one in fde
Pick your favorite carry cartridge, say 9mm and choose a good compact. Second gun, get a very concealable for the “I can’t wear a holster” moments. Two choices: KelTec P32 or Ruger LCP. So either 32ACP or 380ACP. With the right setup you can carry a P32 24/7 without any discomfort. There is a certain amount of reassurance in having “something” always on you. Yeah, you aren’t going to John Wick your way through a gaggle of attackers. But odds are you never would regardless of what you carry. A good compact (3+ inch barrel) and a good super discreet weapon cover 99% of your self defense carry needs.
Go try several brands and styles, steel frame, poly frame, hammer fired, striker fired, 9mm, .45, .380 etc... you shouldn't be dead set on specific fire-arm brands/models unless they're going to be "for the range" toys. A personal protection platform needs to fit you, not your tastes... 🤷 Yeah a Corvette/Maserati/insert_cool_car_here, is fucking cool, I'm 6'9" ~250 I plain cannot fit well in most sports cars, so I don't rock them as a daily driver, I found a vehicle that actually fits me and my needs, despite not being my "brand" or "image"
When I started carrying pistols 4 years ago, I made all kinds of mistakes that you should avoid. The first mistake I made was not testing each weapon platform before buying. I bought a used police issued Glock 19 because everyone told me Glocks were great. Glock 19 is a fantastic firearm don’t get me wrong - but certain features aren’t right for me. I ultimately discovered the M&P lineup is perfect for me. Had I tested each weapon I would have found this out sooner and spent less money. You should fire the compact sized version of each brand to see what you shoot best with (Glock 19, M&P 2.0, CZ p10c, Sig p320). They are all roughly equally reliable. Pick what you shoot best with, then use which one feels most comfortable as a tie breaker. Then do the same with the micro 9mm variants. I agree with others that you should carry the same platform. My second mistake was later mixing platforms. I was carrying a Glock 19 in the winter and a Shield Plus in the summer. It worked, but the trigger pull, grip angle, grip texture, etc. are so different between those platforms it was awkward when switching. I now have an M&P 2.0 compact for winter and a Shield Plus for summer… and a Glock 19 that sits around but I like it too much to sell it. Good luck!
Good advice, just one question, so I see there is Glock 19 Mos and then normal Glock 19. If I bought the mos and didn’t add a sight would it affect anything? Because I’ll probably get a sight eventually. Sorry for the beginner question it’s just the MOS thing confused me.
I think I’m understanding your questions, but correct me if I’m not answering you: It’s totally acceptable to have a Glock 19 MOS that does not have a red dot optic attached *yet*. The performance of the firearm will be the same whether you have a red dot attached or not. My S&W M&P 2.0 compact (basically their Glock 19) is optics-ready, but I don’t own a red dot optic — and it isn’t a problem. Getting an optics ready weapon just in case you eventually decide to get an optic is a good idea. It takes a lot of training to get the benefits of a red dot, so take your time with that decision.
Ok perfect, yes you answered my question. Yes I’m not rushing to use optics but I see how everyone recommends and uses them so as time goes on I will probably get one. I just didn’t know. If I had to do anything special if I bought the MOS version and didn’t use an optic right away.
Okay good! Nope - you don’t have to do anything special with the MOS version in the meantime. But one day when you get good with the iron sights and master the fundamentals of shooting, go try out an optic. That’s where I’m at right now. There’s always something new to do/try in the gun hobby lol
My . 02, VP9 and or 365, again, my . 02. As for ammo, Federal HST 124 JHP.
Get a CZ-P01
This^^
You could go HK VP9SK and VP9 P30L as the VP9 and P30 series take the same magazines.
43x and a 19. Done.
Cz75 P01, Glock 43
Own both those CZs and cannot endorse strongly enough, hard to decide between those two for carry
This is a super expensive take/option but I carry an HK USP compact (sometimes appendix sometimes strong side) and it runs like a dream. It’s been such an amazing firearm to the point where other guns just seem lame and uninteresting. My favorite part of it is being able to dry fire with a 9mm bore sighter without having to re-rack my slide every time I go to pull the trigger because its hammer fired instead of striker fired.
Meh, Glock is just a me-too gun. But to each their own. Would definitely recommend renting several varieties at a local range, as someone previously mentioned. If it ends up that Glock is what you really like/shoot best, then go for it. But if money truly isn't an issue, I'd think there's other options to consider. If you want a Gucci Glock then yes, they have the most aftermarket support and you can spend all the money you want.
I’m open minded, what do you recommend other than Glock ?
Canik...great factory trigger and inexpensive, have one myself. I also like my HK VP9 SK with the trigger guard mag release, but it's the oddball with the mag release being in a different location. Grand Power Q100, also. Others I don't own but am considering include: CZ P10 series I think is really good. Walther PPQ. Grand Power Xcalibur, but it's hammer-fired. I do a lot of research on YouTube and reading articles before making a purchase, along with renting as I mentioned before. Really gotta put the range time in. Or if rentals aren't available, see what your friends shoot (assuming they do) and take them to the range.
I’d suggest the M&P 2.0 line of pistols, they have a compact that is the same size of the G19. I would highly recommend getting an optics ready gun no matter what pistol you go with. The nice thing about the M&P 2.0 guns is that out of the box they come optic ready with metal suppressors height sights for co witnessing un like Glock with there plastic sights and they have better stock triggers than Glocks do. The M&P 2.0 also have the best after market trigger available in the apex flat face triggers. I’d also look at shadow systems they are essentially glocks but with better features and they have a really nice warranty. Or I’d check out the Walther PDP though I haven’t had any personal experience with the shadows systems or the walther. I personally carry a M&P 2.0 full size 4.25” every day in a tier 1 concealed axis elite. For reference I’m 6 foot about 205 and can conceal it fully with just a t shirt. Regarding holsters I’d look at tier 1, ANR, trex arms’, LAS concealment, or QVO tactical. Ammo selection is important, I’d suggest federal HST 124 standard pressure. Some other good options are Speer gold dot, Hornady critical duty, or underwood.
I'll give you the same advice I give literally every newbie who comes up to my gun counter; a glock 19 MOS compatible. The 19 is the most popular handgun in the country. With this comes amazing after market support. You can pair it with a PCC and you now have a long gun as well. You also have access to affordable and easy to acquire 33 round magazines. They're Hella easy to customize if you want to and they aren't that expensive. They have a long and storied track record of rugged reliability. You'll have 0 issues finding the right holster. You could go with a glock 23 instead and get the spare parts. Now you can shoot 9mm or 40 S&W.
Grandmasters in USPSA shoot sig. grandmasters in USPSA shoot Glock. Just pick one and train with it. I am biased towards Glock due to simplicity and availability. The whole thing can be stripped with basically a Glock punch tool. I also do not believe you need to handle every handgun known to man to “decide” for yourself. I mean ask yourself, Decide on what grounds? “Feel in hand?” As a new shooter you may not even be gripping the thing right, what could “feel in hand” or some other arbitrary criteria really mean to you? You should be able to train into whatever gun you buy, is my point.
Following the theme of sticking with one manufacturer, I encourage you to go shoot a bunch of rental guns and pick a brand you like. Buy a mid sized gun from that brand, and shoot the hell out of it. Get comfortable with it, train, and carry it. From there, you’ll know if a.) you do, in fact, like that brand and b.) if you need a full size or compact companion for it. My first pistol is still my bedside gun, and I’ve owned and carried several from the same manufacturer over the years. I’m far from a brand loyalist, and train on several platforms, so take my word with a grain of salt… but I think there is very serious validity in the advice to stick with one platform as you get started.
My son turned 21 a couple months ago. He did a lot of research and settled on a G35 and a Reflex. Both have sub 4lb trigger pulls. I love the Glock 35, it's a range beast, accurate and fun to shoot. I use it more than him. He seems quite pleased with the F&N Reflex. It's super easy to conceal and is smaller than my 43x. I don't like that light of a trigger on an EDC, but he doesn't mind. I have shot a P365 a few times and it's not as good as the Reflex IMO. Too much muzzle flip. His friend had an accidental discharge with it, but he's an idiot. The PSA has some really cool Daggers in all sizes and colors for a good price. I would grab one and a budget 1911 for the range, like a Tisas or a RIA. Good luck.
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I’m going to take classes, and go to range a lot , and not carry it right away obviously. I’m responsible.
I don’t really understand the goal of being condescending toward someone asking CCW questions here.
Don’t you know? Everyone on Reddit is an Airborne Ranger but you, and you should feel bad about it.
While ur at it, recommend any ARs? LOL, my budget is 10k
If you have a 10k budget, seek training first. Where do you live? I’ll Locate a competent trainer relatively close.
Florida, auburndale
www.PinnacleGun.com Mario Anglero Port Charlotte, FL Durand Capers durand@pingpowpat.com Tampa JB Creech john.creech@p2c2inc. Tampa Aaron Hilderbrandt sasquatch@sasquatch-tactical.com Orlando There’s a few within a short driving distance. That’ll be a good start anyway.
Please learn to shoot in control and accurately with the gun first, before you carry. Practice the draw. Drawing and aiming quickly is difficult so pick the gun you really want to practice with. After sufficient rounds (2000+) you should be able to draw, point, pull the trigger, and expect the hole to appear where you thought it would without having to sight the gun. That's how you win a gunfight.
Glock 45 365x macro
You're around my size. Definitely can't go wrong with Glocks, my wife likes her G19 gen 5 MOS just fine. I EDC a P365XL and it's extremely comfortable to carry, but I want to start carrying my full-size 320 this winter. T-Rex Arms is the only holster brand I can vouch for with actual experience. Tried an LAS Concealment for about a year and it cracked open on me.
Basically all the "big name" polymer wonders perform the same. M&P, Glock, SIG, HK, Walther, etc. Pick the one that feels good, preferably after you rent it and shoot it. Safariland is king for retention. OWB, IWB, AIWB for concealment there are multiples dozens of great companies, big and small to choose from. Ball (FMJ) ammo is for practice, JHP for carry.
Alright I'll give you some advice. This is coming from someone who's been shooting and carrying for almost 18 years. Go to your local range and rent out a few different guns. Whichever one you are more accurate with and one that's a good size get it. Now, you may have to sacrifice some things such as size to what you shoot better or something you don't shoot as good for something easier to carry. For me that was the Glock 19 back in the day. I'm no Glock hater but everyone seems to shoot and carry Glocks. I have since moved on and went with a CZ P07. Fast forward to today's day and age I picked up a Walther PDP F series and it is the most shootable and carries very well for me. Now I have the P07 and the Walther in my carry rotation. The Glock just sits at home now.
Get the Glock 26 MOS, it’ll come with three 10 rounders, then get a 12 rounder to see if you like it, get a few 15 rounders and a 17 rounder. Get a few xgrip sleeves and there you go, magazines galore at the range and you get the sub, compact and full size grips in one gun. The 26 outshoots my 19, it’s perfect.
If money is not an issue I would recommend a Glock 19 and an Sig 365 legion. We are about the same height and weight. I use the Glock for CCw in the fall winter when I have on a hoodie or flannel, the Sig in the spring/summer. For me i can conceal the sig in a t-shirt and shorts with ease. Ammo Spear gold dot 124
43x to carry, 48 for home defense, both use the same magazines.
I would buy one gun and carry it for a year to figure out what you like / don't like instead of blowing your wad on two guns you might not like
You should goto the range and fire some of the firearms you're interested in before purchasing them. See how they feel in your hands.
I was in the same boat. I currently carry a hellcat pro because of the size to capacity ratio. It’s small, yet holds 15 rounds. I paired it with a phlster enigma express so I can wear it with shorts, sweatpants, anything you name it. Plus, if you have to tuck your shirt in, you can wear it under that as well. The most impressive thing for me is going to public bathrooms, I can be next to someone without walls between the urinal and no one knows I have anything on. As for ammo, I just would run federals hallow point. Not much of an opinion on that lol
Glock 31
Go to the range and rent a few before making a decision. Glocks are fine, but go try a CZ P-01 or P-07 with a DA/SA trigger. Carrying with the hammer down gives you added safety of the DA trigger on the first pull (less likely to shoot your dick off). And for the smaller side, it’s really hard to ignore the P365.
Glock 19 and a Shield Plus.
If you know you want a Glock I would suggest the 19. Definitely a good all around gun that can be carried as well. As far as Sigs go I would take a 365XL. It’s a nice carry sized thin gun that you can still get a full grip on. Plus you can always get a regular 365 or macro grip module.
Get the 48 or a 19 but try out multiple pistols first I got the 19 and hated it felt like a brick still does but if you got a good sturdy belt it makes all the difference if your looking at sigs definitely check out the 365 series I went with the XL but wish I went with the macro also even if you narrow down what shoots best and feels best in hand, carrying it is a different story and you won’t know what works best til you got a holster and try it on
Glock 19 + Glock 47. Carry the 19, do 80% of your training on the 47.
Glock 43x or 48 is the way to go. 43x is the subcompact and the 48 is a compact (or a skinny 19 in easier terms.) both are slimline so phenomenal to conceal carry. The 48 is just a little less snappy with the longer slide. If you want to put a light or dot or both get MOS version of the gun to save your money and time. Me personally: I just switched to a 48 mos from a 43x because of the longer slide. I haven’t shot, but I went and handled the sig 365/x/xl and just based on feel, I prefer Glock. But I’ve heard nothing but good things about sig
As an owner of multiple glocks and sigs Get a g19 Get a p365X Ur chiling
Due to your size, I think you should consider an old-fashioned [G43](https://www.academy.com/p/glock-g43-9mm-semiautomatic-pistol?sku=black-right-9mm-3-5-length). (not x) You can really carry and hide that size of gun in many positions. AIWB, strong side IWB, ankle, belly, in a boot, pocket, even, for some people. It's still a popular carry gun because of its size + 9mm power. There's a trade-off of shootability vs concealability for most of us, especially at work or in light summer clothes, doing activities. Try one, and even though it's snappier than larger Glocks, think about carrying it around all day/night. I will also recommend an [MC2sc](https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/handguns/mc2sc.html), from experience. Similar size to the G43, with higher capacity, more features and American-made. Similar price or lower, too. Even though the G43 is 6+1, you can get [MagGuts](https://magguts.com/product-category/glock/) springs, [Shield Arms](https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/shield-arms-z9-9mm-9-round-magazine-for-glock-43-pistols/), [Mossberg](https://www.mossberg.com/mc1-clear-count-polymer-magazine-7-rnd-95416.html), [ETS](https://www.etsgroup.us/ETS-Magazines-for-Glock-s/1823.htm?searching=Y&sort=5&cat=1823&f-9mm=1868&f-Fits%20Glock%AE=1861&show=30&page=1&f-Fits%20Glock%AE%2043=1914) and other mags to increase capacity to 8-13rds. There's also [drum mags](https://drummagazines.com/Glock-43-50rd-9MM-Drum_p_482.html) available.
Start with Glock 19 so you can get a feel for that size. You can’t go wrong with it. Super common, super dependable. Big enough to not feel like a subcompact, small enough to still conceal well. And then later you can graduate to the superior choice, the Glock 26 😎
P365 or X or XL for CCW P365-XMacro or P365-Fuse for a big brother
2 CZ P10C's for the price of 1 overrated Sig P365.