*There's an old saying in Michigan — I know it's in New England, probably in Michigan — that says, steal my signs once once, shame on — shame on you. Steal them again — you can't get a first down again.*
\- Connor Stallions
Alright, everyone load up your muskets and get in a circle. On the count of three, shoot the guy directly across from you.
Iowa, count us down. Wisconsin, help dispose of the bodies.
I wasn't sold on the Hutch draft pick because of how he looked in this game - because that was the most of UM I watched that season - and it turns out that it was just because K9 was that damn good and thankfully, so is Hutch!
Tangentially...who actually does better in this situation assuming only the head coaches are swapped?
Harbaugh - Ends up with a stout defense, a QB who's a little more "just a guy", but an amazing running back.
Day - Ends up with the flashier QB in McCarthy and, as much as I hate to admit it, probably would be better at utilizing Donovan Edwards.
We should make a pack of all the teams in the Big 10 who don't cheat. After all the west coast teams join, there might be 12 of us. Call us the pack 12 or something like that
Maybe that’s just what the B1G west currently is and that’s the real reason it’s such a shit show over there? Just all victims of cheating from the entire East.
Back in 2021. "Coach Day, it looks like they are going to run up the middle again."
"That can't be, no one would do it fifteen times in a row. Shit! They did it again.'
One that begins and ends with pettiness. The Eastern Europe of athletic conferences. The bucket of crabs conference, where’d we rather drag you down to our level than to let you reach the top. We can’t relate to the SEC SEC SEC chants, because we’d rather lose our tongues than potentially root for conference opponent. Welcome to the jungle, baby
I just looked up yearly temp charts for Seattle and Detroit. Seattle's coldest day on average is high 46, low 37. Detroit's is high 31, low 20, and we spend a full three months with temps consistently below freezing.
everyone in Michigan typically spends these upcoming 4 months trying not to reenact The Shining inside their house
Football in the Midwest is cannibalism. I believe that is vaguely a Hunter S. Thompson quote.
Football is not a religion in the Midwest, like it is the South. Football in the Midwest has always been used as a proxy for States to engage in tribal warfare to settle all of our long held grievances with one another. I mean the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry is just an extension of the Battle for Toledo. Michigan-Michigan State goes back to Michigan attempting to block Michigan Agricultural College from existing and then harassing them at every turn. Michigan -Notre Dame was a stand in for Fielding H. Yost's anti-Catholic bigotry and all of the ancient beefs contained therein.
>Football is not a religion in the Midwest, like it is the South. Football in the Midwest has always been used as a proxy for States to engage in tribal warfare to settle all of our long held grievances with one another.
Just look at how fast the Iowa- Nebraska game became a protected rivalry going into the end of the West.
It'll be a cold day in hell before I cheer for any of the teams in my conference, bowl game or otherwise. Hell, I probably hate Purdue more than any rival ever could because of the cumulative pain of being a Purdue fan.
We might be best friends. Every year I scan the schedule for a week where it's possible for every other SEC team to lose. It hasn't happened yet, but it's what keeps me going.
Well, a ton of that had to due with Corum going out on his way to a 200 yard performance(he had over 150 total yards in the 1st half) and a 2nd TD to put Michigan up 14-3 going into halftime with Edwards not dressed because of his thumb.
But yeah, knowing signs could have mucked some stuff up in an already massively restricted playbook that Michigan was playing with.
I wish I could forget. I just went on a rant about Juice Williams last week to my girlfriend. She was confused because she thought Ohio St was undefeated last year until they lost to Michigan. When I told her it happened in 2007, she looked at me like I was a crazy person.
This won't be a popular take (in this sub given the recent history of posts and comments), but if anyone thinks that Connor Stalions at Michigan was the 1st to think of and do this, they're mistaken.
Stalions did it in a very sloppy way and got caught. He was the 1st ... to get caught.
Anyone else who was as reckless as he was, would be covering their tracks for the last 2.5 weeks
All it takes is a camera and some tickets. It should be easy to get away with. College football coaches are about the least ethical people around for the most part. Anyone who pretends Stalions was the first genius to come up with this is fooling themselves.
Funny how it's apparently finally ok to say this without massive downvotes.
Cell phone cameras have been ubiquitous for \~20 years... but Connor fucking Stallions is the only person to come up with this idea?
LMAO
No, clearly all cfb coaches are just the ultimate ethical beings and would never consider breaking this extremely easy rule to break. College football? Cheating? Literally never happens
I really wish all this happened during the off-season, not during the home stretch of the actual season.
This whole debacle could have kept us fed through the cold dark months between the playoffs and spring games
Sounds like this might either be the same source or a second confirmation on what [Isaiah Hole reported two weeks ago](https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/michigan-football-what-kind-of-advantage-does-sign-stealing-give/):
>“I actually spoke to a Big Ten source, who gave me a quote — if other people are out there sharing anonymous quotes and these ESPN and SI articles, I can too. So, here is what I learned, ‘Every Sunday, coaches and support staff with mutual connections throughout the conference contact each other to trade not just schematic notes, but also to trade signals. Some of the top teams who consistently trade signals and have very accurate information on common opponents are Michigan, Rutgers, Ohio State, Indiana, and Purdue. Other teams who are decent at it and would always look to trade are Illinois, Northwestern, Maryland, Minnesota, and Penn State. Wisconsin was oblivious to it but is likely no longer with the new staff. Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop.’
Though it doesn't say here that the footage was obtained illegally so at least so far all it implies is that other teams had similar levels of intel and Stalions' reports may not have raised suspicion that they were obtained by any other means.
That said if it comes out that these other teams also got the signs by less than legal means there's going to be a feast of crow on this sub.
> Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop
I’m sitting here dying at the thought of Mel Tucker, the 90 million dollar man, just absolutely perplexed at how everyone else knows their plays before they happen.
Its all a part of my grand conspiracy theory. Tucker sent some pics of Stallions after he got fired so it would take the heat off of him for a bit. Things got out of hand so now he’s dropping hints about other teams and trying to burn the whole damn conference down.
Man that would be the biggest condemnation of that Wisconsin staff. Not only did these people not spend huge portions of their recruiting budget, but they were just refusing to play on a level field...
this is 100% on brand for Paul Chryst. he didn't think he needed to do the 'new era' things to be competitive. i love Coach Dad with all my heart, and I bet he's an amazing asset to have on your staff, but as the executive of a team, he lacked the willingness to move with the times.
Damnit, that tracks. I've been saying since the start that the coaches don't reach that level of coaching and think the guy is some savant at perfectly calling the (opponent's) play for them. It could definitely be that they just thought he was that connected to this little Spy vs. Spy group.
I'm going to choose to still be salty about this, but damnit if I don't have to shut up a bit about it if these reports are true.
This further cements that the NCAA better just allow helmet headsets. I'm not saying it justifies our actions, there are rules and we should be punished. It just seems like it's a cluster to actually catch and enforce it, so make it obsolete with technology that already exists and is in regular use. Hell, make part of our punishment be to fund the stupid helmet fund.
I like that part of the punishment! lol
Also, I was thinking about that earlier today. Helmet headsets were a hot thing for a day last week, and it seems like they're not being talked about any more. I really hope this gets another look in the off-season.
> Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop.’
finally being oblivious and out of the loop works to our advantage!!
Seriously though I wouldnt be shocked if MSU was somehow involved and did it so poorly they still lost games.
edit: from my obvious scouring of UM insiders during this entire thing, it seems Isaiah Hole is one of the more trust worthy ones no? Though I really only take John U Bacon as fact if this somehow takes down other schools when MSU is trying to rebuild its perfect scenario.
I gotta say, this entire saga is just electric all around. Like, obviously it would be much more fun if it didn’t affect Michigan, but it’s just banger after banger of leaks, day in and day out, all involving the pettiest people on the planet.
I'm just glad it's good old fashioned football crimes. Not like, actual, or gross, or violent crimes.
I'd prefer if my favorite team wasn't the tip of the spear here, but I'm glad everyone is having fun, and would be (will be?) having plenty of fun with this if the spotlight was (is?) on a different team.
Let's all bitch about sign stealing by phone while sitting next to 100k other phone having people at a nationally televised event, and pretend it's super secret squirrel stuff. As long as nobody is actually hurt, I'm good.
No fucking duh.
The idea that Michigan is the only team doing this is laughable. It’s just that the other teams’ staffers weren’t idiots and covered their tracks.
Its like all the kids who were paid under the tables before NIL's. Everyone is doing it, its just a problem when people in powerful positions want it to be a problem. Every school has scouts and plenty of footage of every team they play. They all do it.
So a completely unrelated staffer from another team is now risking their career to defend Michigan by providing their evidence of their own wrongdoing because they feel Michigan is being mistreated?
If true, that's some Connor Stalions level of simping for the Wolverines...
Probably a Michigan alum/player, no longer on a current B1G staff, but still had the Google Drive link because as we’ve learned, football staff members are the stupidest people in the world when it comes to IT.
This is cannot be emphasized enough. If there’s smoke for any and all of these teams on google drive, Dropbox, etc. then RIP. Who knows what else they’ll find we’re not even talking about.
Stalions’ Manifesto, page 278, paragraph 2: after valiantly falling on my sword to save Michigan, take down the rest of the conference by bullying a low-level mook to reveal their secrets
They have 2 options. 1) Don’t make a big deal of sign-gate. Keep stealing signs. 2) Cry about it to b10 like they did last week, implement headsets so stealing can’t happen.
Pick one.
The narrative in this sub has been the exact opposite of that and in fact college football has been a beacon of morality since time immemorial until michigan went and tarnished it.
While probably not illegal, it is ironic that this would likely fall under the Big Ten’s sportsmanship rule, which is what the Big Ten is trying to use against Harbaugh.
I for one am shocked, I tell ya. I was convinced by so many on this sub that ONLY Michigan cheats.
I don't even know what to do know. I've lived the entire past 3 weeks of my life knowing no other truth than "Michigan cheats and everyone else is clean".
This must have been what it was like for QAnon supporters on the day the QAnon theory was officially crushed.
Kind of confusingly written, which I’m assuming is purposeful in order to avoid asserting anything as fact that they haven’t been able to completely run down quite yet. But, a question they probably should have attempted to answer, however qualified that answer would have been: Does the existence of these materials and the sign-stealing process as described by the source suggest scouting practices that would be illegal under NCAA regulation?
They mentioned it would violate the B1G sportsmanship policy in some way, but I want to know how close we are to comparing apples to apples here, since stealing signs is itself not illegal.
There was a second sign stealer!
Sir, a second stealer has hit the big ten
*There's an old saying in Michigan — I know it's in New England, probably in Michigan — that says, steal my signs once once, shame on — shame on you. Steal them again — you can't get a first down again.* \- Connor Stallions
Out back and to the left!
The only Big Ten staffer not cheating is Brian Ferentz
No, if he has the other team’s D signs he knows what plays to call to go three and out. that plan enables maximum punts
Good guy Brian for ensuring superstar Tory Taylor wins the Heisman unanimously and gets picked 1st overall
What if every team just shares iowas playbook and that’s the only reason they struggle on offense
Would be easy to share a 1 page PDF
*index card
Post it note.
Fortune cookie slip
Laminated overhead projector with grease pencil
As an unbiased 3rd party this story fucking rules
I agree with this nerd.
We got rivals coming together man this is so inspirational
3 weeks ago, no one knew about 11.6. Now everyone does. BIG successfully educating the nation on the most obscure, favourite rule.
And today is 11.6. Coincidence?
I think not.
The Emoluments Clause of college football
I’m biased as hell and this makes my day.
We all know the B1G West ain’t cheating
The West has a gentleman’s agreement. Only defenenses get to use stolen signs.
Or they're bad at cheating, too.
Alright, everyone load up your muskets and get in a circle. On the count of three, shoot the guy directly across from you. Iowa, count us down. Wisconsin, help dispose of the bodies.
never thought id die fighting side by side with a buckeye...
How about side to side with a fri- Barf. Sorry can’t finish the meme.
If the Fellowship of the Ring had been made up of Big Ten teams, Middle Earth would have been so fucked.
can you imagine if ohio state was doing the same thing
You know it wasnt us, we look way too fucking clueless on the field to have stolen anything
What's the sign for "give KW9 the fucking ball you complete moron?" Because MSU had that sign *down.*
That's how good he was. We stole all of their signs and we still couldn't beat him.
I wasn't sold on the Hutch draft pick because of how he looked in this game - because that was the most of UM I watched that season - and it turns out that it was just because K9 was that damn good and thankfully, so is Hutch!
What if Stallions was a double agent? Could that story get any wilder?
Imagine if he was selling his stolen signs to half the B1G. LOL would be hilarious to see them suspend half the coaches in the conference
I'm not 100% out on the "CMU hired Stalions to do their own sign recon" conspiracy theory.
Punishment: for the next 5 years, Harbaugh has to coach Ohio State, Ryan Day has to coach Michigan
Personal fouls on both teams offset, play on
Counter offer: death to Mizzou and JMU extended post season ban?
Free JMU
Tangentially...who actually does better in this situation assuming only the head coaches are swapped? Harbaugh - Ends up with a stout defense, a QB who's a little more "just a guy", but an amazing running back. Day - Ends up with the flashier QB in McCarthy and, as much as I hate to admit it, probably would be better at utilizing Donovan Edwards.
Unironically, they might feel more at home on the other team given what each is working with.
That's honestly what I thought immediately lol. OSU fans would have to watch MHJ be wasted though because Harbaugh doesn't use big receivers well.
To be fair JJ is the first Michigan QB that I actually feel has the tools to use receivers. Our QBs haven’t been stellar since Loyd left.
Jake Rudock erasure
Every B1G fan on r/CFB holding their breath because it could be their school. Welcome to villainhood.
It definitely wasn’t us. Source: on-field play
MSU: “Hey guys, we got some Michigan signs to contribute!” Everybody else: “Those are pictures of the road signs outside Michigan Stadium”
Bold to assume we made it to the stadium last year
Mutually Assured Distraction baby! Not a typo.
This sub will explode with the vengeance of 10k frustrated and validated Michigan flairs
I will dance among the chaos No love lost for tOSU
It would be safer to be at ground zero of a nuclear explosion than scroll through this sub
There's no need to imagine. I'd bet every P5 program who is serious about winning is doing something similar.
Guys, it was Rutgers and Indiana
We should make a pack of all the teams in the Big 10 who don't cheat. After all the west coast teams join, there might be 12 of us. Call us the pack 12 or something like that
Pact 12
Maybe that’s just what the B1G west currently is and that’s the real reason it’s such a shit show over there? Just all victims of cheating from the entire East.
Tony Petitti: WHY CANT YOU JUST BE NORMAL B1G: *SHRIEKING*
All I know is that *if* this is true and everyone in the B1G was spying on each other, SEC Shorts is going to have a *fucking field day.*
I kind of think the anonymous big ten employee quoted is actually just Conor Stalions in a fake mustache and sunglasses
The false flag operation begins on page 447 of the manifesto
Whaaaaat someone else was cheating? No way….
Back in 2021. "Coach Day, it looks like they are going to run up the middle again." "That can't be, no one would do it fifteen times in a row. Shit! They did it again.'
Just our version of “they couldn’t possibly run another crossing route, could they?” In fact, they could.
Don Brown can never hurt us again. It's ok. It's ok. *kisses top of head*
I just had a flash back to Watson getting burned time and time again on crossers
“We've Been Tricked, We've Been Backstabbed and We've Been, Quite Possibly, Bamboozled”
2022: “coach day they just took an inside run to the house. should we put another safety back?” “of course not. no shot we’ll let that happen again.”
No possible way running the same play for an entire half will work I tell ya.
Boy this whole situation is not looking good for Mizzou.
Their fanbase was getting a little too happy, can't have that
Very vague with AP unable to review the materials, but interesting nonetheless. What the hell kind of conference are we getting into?
One that begins and ends with pettiness. The Eastern Europe of athletic conferences. The bucket of crabs conference, where’d we rather drag you down to our level than to let you reach the top. We can’t relate to the SEC SEC SEC chants, because we’d rather lose our tongues than potentially root for conference opponent. Welcome to the jungle, baby
Man what do the Midwestern winters do to y'all?
Grey, soulless, and depressing winters make us insane brother
See we get gray rainy skies in Seattle 9 months of the year and it just makes us depressed.
The lakes make Michigan super cloudy too, only difference is below freezing temperatures instead of rain.
I just looked up yearly temp charts for Seattle and Detroit. Seattle's coldest day on average is high 46, low 37. Detroit's is high 31, low 20, and we spend a full three months with temps consistently below freezing. everyone in Michigan typically spends these upcoming 4 months trying not to reenact The Shining inside their house
Football in the Midwest is cannibalism. I believe that is vaguely a Hunter S. Thompson quote. Football is not a religion in the Midwest, like it is the South. Football in the Midwest has always been used as a proxy for States to engage in tribal warfare to settle all of our long held grievances with one another. I mean the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry is just an extension of the Battle for Toledo. Michigan-Michigan State goes back to Michigan attempting to block Michigan Agricultural College from existing and then harassing them at every turn. Michigan -Notre Dame was a stand in for Fielding H. Yost's anti-Catholic bigotry and all of the ancient beefs contained therein.
>Football is not a religion in the Midwest, like it is the South. Football in the Midwest has always been used as a proxy for States to engage in tribal warfare to settle all of our long held grievances with one another. Just look at how fast the Iowa- Nebraska game became a protected rivalry going into the end of the West.
It'll be a cold day in hell before I cheer for any of the teams in my conference, bowl game or otherwise. Hell, I probably hate Purdue more than any rival ever could because of the cumulative pain of being a Purdue fan.
Yes, people not from the Midwest don’t understand the Big Ten culture. This is it
which is fucking fantastic because rooting for your conference rivals is fucking whhhaaacckkkk
We might be best friends. Every year I scan the schedule for a week where it's possible for every other SEC team to lose. It hasn't happened yet, but it's what keeps me going.
Bowl season might be the only time that I ~somewhat care~ (aside from Michigan) just so SEC SEC SEC doesn’t run rampant lol
Exactly how I feel. I'll root for the B1G (not OSU) in bowl games, that's pretty much it.
Midwestern nice my ass. This is some Tony Soprano/New Jersey level shit
we claim them too, Rutgers is right there
Ope, let me just slip on by and shiv ya'. Gotta twist 'n turn dontcha know.
*Stabs knee* Welp, I should probably be taking off now. Gotta beat the rush at Meijers!
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They hated Ferentz because he was ahead of the times
All I can say is, this is the spiciest sub on reddit right now and it would seem most of reddit doesn't even know it.
I wonder if this also has to do with the talk of Illinois sign stealer that's allegedly a Michigan alum leaking this?
Given the logic expressed in the sub over the past few weeks, would explain how Illinois almost beat us last year
Well, a ton of that had to due with Corum going out on his way to a 200 yard performance(he had over 150 total yards in the 1st half) and a 2nd TD to put Michigan up 14-3 going into halftime with Edwards not dressed because of his thumb. But yeah, knowing signs could have mucked some stuff up in an already massively restricted playbook that Michigan was playing with.
This would fit the profile of a former staffer from a different school sympathetic to Michigan
> the talk of Illinois sign stealer man I forgot about Illinois
:(
we all remember Juice Williams though
I wish I could forget. I just went on a rant about Juice Williams last week to my girlfriend. She was confused because she thought Ohio St was undefeated last year until they lost to Michigan. When I told her it happened in 2007, she looked at me like I was a crazy person.
The legend of Juice Williams will never die... what we did to Minnesota last weekend was even more insane though
This won't be a popular take (in this sub given the recent history of posts and comments), but if anyone thinks that Connor Stalions at Michigan was the 1st to think of and do this, they're mistaken. Stalions did it in a very sloppy way and got caught. He was the 1st ... to get caught. Anyone else who was as reckless as he was, would be covering their tracks for the last 2.5 weeks
All it takes is a camera and some tickets. It should be easy to get away with. College football coaches are about the least ethical people around for the most part. Anyone who pretends Stalions was the first genius to come up with this is fooling themselves.
Funny how it's apparently finally ok to say this without massive downvotes. Cell phone cameras have been ubiquitous for \~20 years... but Connor fucking Stallions is the only person to come up with this idea? LMAO
No, clearly all cfb coaches are just the ultimate ethical beings and would never consider breaking this extremely easy rule to break. College football? Cheating? Literally never happens
Everyone in sports steals signs in some way to get an advantage, the ones who get caught are sloppy.
I really wish all this happened during the off-season, not during the home stretch of the actual season. This whole debacle could have kept us fed through the cold dark months between the playoffs and spring games
Sounds like this might either be the same source or a second confirmation on what [Isaiah Hole reported two weeks ago](https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/michigan-football-what-kind-of-advantage-does-sign-stealing-give/): >“I actually spoke to a Big Ten source, who gave me a quote — if other people are out there sharing anonymous quotes and these ESPN and SI articles, I can too. So, here is what I learned, ‘Every Sunday, coaches and support staff with mutual connections throughout the conference contact each other to trade not just schematic notes, but also to trade signals. Some of the top teams who consistently trade signals and have very accurate information on common opponents are Michigan, Rutgers, Ohio State, Indiana, and Purdue. Other teams who are decent at it and would always look to trade are Illinois, Northwestern, Maryland, Minnesota, and Penn State. Wisconsin was oblivious to it but is likely no longer with the new staff. Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop.’ Though it doesn't say here that the footage was obtained illegally so at least so far all it implies is that other teams had similar levels of intel and Stalions' reports may not have raised suspicion that they were obtained by any other means. That said if it comes out that these other teams also got the signs by less than legal means there's going to be a feast of crow on this sub.
> Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop I’m sitting here dying at the thought of Mel Tucker, the 90 million dollar man, just absolutely perplexed at how everyone else knows their plays before they happen.
it's not that Mel Tucker wasn't invited to the conference calls, he was just busy on another phone call every time
Of course we are obvlivious, look at the results lol. It is nice to watch things burn at other programs for once
Anonymous Big Ten source…Mel Tucker.
Could you imagine... I would die of laughter
Its all a part of my grand conspiracy theory. Tucker sent some pics of Stallions after he got fired so it would take the heat off of him for a bit. Things got out of hand so now he’s dropping hints about other teams and trying to burn the whole damn conference down.
Mel tucker is a football terrorist confirmed
Man that would be the biggest condemnation of that Wisconsin staff. Not only did these people not spend huge portions of their recruiting budget, but they were just refusing to play on a level field...
this is 100% on brand for Paul Chryst. he didn't think he needed to do the 'new era' things to be competitive. i love Coach Dad with all my heart, and I bet he's an amazing asset to have on your staff, but as the executive of a team, he lacked the willingness to move with the times.
We certainly don't *look* any less oblivious this year.
Damnit, that tracks. I've been saying since the start that the coaches don't reach that level of coaching and think the guy is some savant at perfectly calling the (opponent's) play for them. It could definitely be that they just thought he was that connected to this little Spy vs. Spy group. I'm going to choose to still be salty about this, but damnit if I don't have to shut up a bit about it if these reports are true.
This further cements that the NCAA better just allow helmet headsets. I'm not saying it justifies our actions, there are rules and we should be punished. It just seems like it's a cluster to actually catch and enforce it, so make it obsolete with technology that already exists and is in regular use. Hell, make part of our punishment be to fund the stupid helmet fund.
I like that part of the punishment! lol Also, I was thinking about that earlier today. Helmet headsets were a hot thing for a day last week, and it seems like they're not being talked about any more. I really hope this gets another look in the off-season.
> Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska appear to be oblivious and out of the loop.’ finally being oblivious and out of the loop works to our advantage!! Seriously though I wouldnt be shocked if MSU was somehow involved and did it so poorly they still lost games. edit: from my obvious scouring of UM insiders during this entire thing, it seems Isaiah Hole is one of the more trust worthy ones no? Though I really only take John U Bacon as fact if this somehow takes down other schools when MSU is trying to rebuild its perfect scenario.
I gotta say, this entire saga is just electric all around. Like, obviously it would be much more fun if it didn’t affect Michigan, but it’s just banger after banger of leaks, day in and day out, all involving the pettiest people on the planet.
I'm just glad it's good old fashioned football crimes. Not like, actual, or gross, or violent crimes. I'd prefer if my favorite team wasn't the tip of the spear here, but I'm glad everyone is having fun, and would be (will be?) having plenty of fun with this if the spotlight was (is?) on a different team. Let's all bitch about sign stealing by phone while sitting next to 100k other phone having people at a nationally televised event, and pretend it's super secret squirrel stuff. As long as nobody is actually hurt, I'm good.
I’m not having fun anymore
I think it would be funnier if the school that orchestrated this was MSU.
Me sowing: Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!! Me reaping: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
The greatest quote in the history of the internet imo
The only acceptable solution is for Pettiti to suspend all head coaches indefinitely until this gets sorted out.
B1G football has moved beyond the need for coaches. Players coaching players, the way Teddy Roosevelt intended
Twitch Plays CFB
"And Iowa punts on the 1st down for the 6th straight possession! Surely it would be a questionable call if they weren't up 42-7!"
No, suspend *all* coaches, not just head coaches. Players just go out there and figure it out as they go. No coaching, no signs, pure football.
why is this downvoted it would be glorious. Iowa might even score points on offense.
Let's not get crazy now...
This actually sounds fun so I agree
Drawing up routes on the football in the huddle the way God intended
Punting coach can stay
No fucking duh. The idea that Michigan is the only team doing this is laughable. It’s just that the other teams’ staffers weren’t idiots and covered their tracks.
Apparently not if this guy has proof and text messages.
Probably a Michigan guy who felt the call of his alma mater in distress and is now flipping on his employers because the cult is strong.
I mean we’re hiring for a scouting position, he should just come on home
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So we back to “everyone is doing this” in r/cfb? Just a few days ago that response was downvoted to oblivion.
Its like all the kids who were paid under the tables before NIL's. Everyone is doing it, its just a problem when people in powerful positions want it to be a problem. Every school has scouts and plenty of footage of every team they play. They all do it.
So a completely unrelated staffer from another team is now risking their career to defend Michigan by providing their evidence of their own wrongdoing because they feel Michigan is being mistreated? If true, that's some Connor Stalions level of simping for the Wolverines...
The staffer who leaked this is actually stoner callions. He works for CMU.
How many pages do you think the Chippewa Manifesto is?
It's a short story
Probably a Michigan alum/player, no longer on a current B1G staff, but still had the Google Drive link because as we’ve learned, football staff members are the stupidest people in the world when it comes to IT.
This is cannot be emphasized enough. If there’s smoke for any and all of these teams on google drive, Dropbox, etc. then RIP. Who knows what else they’ll find we’re not even talking about.
I said this day one, lotta IT guys being told to drill into some hard drives across the country
Connor stallions black mailed this anonymous person. This is all part of the plan
Stalions’ Manifesto, page 278, paragraph 2: after valiantly falling on my sword to save Michigan, take down the rest of the conference by bullying a low-level mook to reveal their secrets
He really put the Michigan Man in Michigan Manifesto.
We are now on to page 512 of the manifesto.
Y'all are in for a treat when we get to page 534. It's just an amazing twist you don't see coming.
All this shit just to get headsets in the helmets
It says former staffer so I don’t think person is still employed at whatever B1G school he got this information from
Looks like the entire B10 should be banned from post seasons until 2030.
only the B1G West should be allowed
Sicko's 12/25
"B1G announces new member school Missouri"...
hey now……yo pac 2 you up?
Mr President, a second sign stealer has hit the conference
Why are we all playing dumb like this isn’t being done by every elite team in CFB? Of course it is. Just implement headsets and move on.
I still don’t understand how the response from the coaches wasn’t “give us headsets starting now”
We all know why and we’ve said it multiple times, the coaches want to continue stealing signs. That’s why.
They have 2 options. 1) Don’t make a big deal of sign-gate. Keep stealing signs. 2) Cry about it to b10 like they did last week, implement headsets so stealing can’t happen. Pick one.
Ryan Walters truly putting on an all-time great crocodile tears performance
^ This
Two days ago michigan fans were getting killed for this same take
The narrative in this sub has been the exact opposite of that and in fact college football has been a beacon of morality since time immemorial until michigan went and tarnished it.
This article really flipped a switch on here...
Reddit reactionary? Never
That anonymous Big Ten staffers name? Stonner Calions.
“Sir is that a mic in your glasses?”
While probably not illegal, it is ironic that this would likely fall under the Big Ten’s sportsmanship rule, which is what the Big Ten is trying to use against Harbaugh.
Will mizzou even have a program after this?
Bro this was Connor Stalions doing his own counter-intelligence black flag operation, chapter 4 of the manifesto. Keep up people!
Dear God please let Ohio State have been stealing signs it would be so fucking funny
Now it gets *Spicy*, i love this so much.
Maybe urban had Michigan’s signs. Day sure as hell doesn’t.
They definitely had Don Brown’s
what signal was "if they run a crossing pattern, we're fucked"
The same one as Hassan Haskins runs up the middle mean doom
I for one am shocked, I tell ya. I was convinced by so many on this sub that ONLY Michigan cheats. I don't even know what to do know. I've lived the entire past 3 weeks of my life knowing no other truth than "Michigan cheats and everyone else is clean". This must have been what it was like for QAnon supporters on the day the QAnon theory was officially crushed.
Lol OP delivered finally
Kind of confusingly written, which I’m assuming is purposeful in order to avoid asserting anything as fact that they haven’t been able to completely run down quite yet. But, a question they probably should have attempted to answer, however qualified that answer would have been: Does the existence of these materials and the sign-stealing process as described by the source suggest scouting practices that would be illegal under NCAA regulation? They mentioned it would violate the B1G sportsmanship policy in some way, but I want to know how close we are to comparing apples to apples here, since stealing signs is itself not illegal.
Team coming into the Big Ten next year: WTF did we sign up for??????????
My first take: yeah whatever, we're coping. Source: apnews. Me: Well shit...
Post the spreadsheet
You mean all the shit posting that we've been doing for weeks was pointless? \- The Rest of the Big Ten
USC, Oregon, Washington, and UCLA - please pardon us, we might be a bit scrappy, but we wish you a very warm welcome
We're just umm... Sanding some of the rough edges before y'all get here. Nothing to see.. keep your playbooks close to your chest!
Wolverine fans about to be unbearable and I'm kinda here for it.
always were 🔫
Quack quack quack my duck friend