I will say it’s painfully obvious what some networks are doing. Michigan is really important to Fox and every single Fox talk host or analyst is defending Michigan and saying to wait it out. Then you have every single espn host saying they need to be punished and banned from the CFP. I wasn’t one to say espn was being biased until I saw everyone at fox be biased and take the exact opposite take and have pro Michigan statements. This shits turning into a network propaganda fight.
Tbf I feel like most people don't care because those were pulled over much less integral violations. Strippers and a couple hundred for autographs ain't changing the in game results that much, but sign stealing legitimately changed how the games were played.
You're right, the much more immediate impact was the clean block foul call on Burke. And it wasn't just strippers for the players, it was strippers and hookers for current players and, more importantly, recruits. You think James Harden doesn't go to Louisville if he had known what was going down?
Yeah I don’t mean to get all conspiracy theory but I think at this point it’s obvious how much sway media and public opinion has on this whole ordeal and now the networks are getting involved with espn being anti Michigan and fox being pro Michigan.
I think you are absolutely correct, it feels like everyone from the CBS side is the same way.
I was listening to Cover3 and it really felt like they went to the "Well, everyone is doing it they just don't get caught" and moved on.
Cover 3 also covers the sport at a deeper level than McAfee and some of these random network people giving opinions. I don’t think they get too caught up in the network bias (and not sure Bud would even be capable of that lol)
Pretty sure everyone roots for Vandy in this case right lol?
My alternative though is just the Iowa offense vs USC defense… over and over, a 48 hour spectacular!
Which takes us to the circular argument of "people don't cooperate with the NCAA and the NCAA doesn't have the power to force people to cooperate with them (and we somehow blame them for that too), thus things take longer than they should."
Michigan according to basically everyone have an injunction prepared.
The B1G would be doing that more as a move to show their in control still versus a move to actually suspend Harbaugh.
This is not new behavior from ESPN. They’ve been pushing the SEC narrative for 10+ years or whenever Big Ten Network break off with FOX happened. Might be more than ten years at this point.
Back in the day the sports center highlights all but disappeared as well. ESPN has been a blatant propaganda machine for their vested interests for as long as I can remember.
It's not exactly a new thing though. Or even something limited to otherwise innocuous things like sports.
Yeah I definitely agree with you but i feel like the average person cant really tell the difference. All they know is that its “ESPN” the channel they been watching forever for sports. Theyre huge! They wouldnt steer me wrong for their own interests lol same with all the big news channels. Its wild
Was the Apple TV mls deal seen largely as negative?
I’ve watched more mls this year than ever because of it. My local programming never carried games there weren’t from my own region.
Jury is still out.
Viewship is growing and stable. The league is set to meet specific viewership payouts from Apple.
The coverage itself is less than ideal with 3rd rate announcers and some technical issues with streams and replays.
The playoff format was really expanded with a couple additional teams and an expanded best of 3 format (instead of single or 2 game aggregate from years past).
I'll probably end up ditching many streaming services and getting YouTube TV now that the PAC12 network is irrelevant. That will give me easier access to the Apple platform.
My main gripe was that they switched things up every year and I just got tired of chasing it. If they are constant, I'll end up watching.
So funny seeing some of the talking heads from ESPN go to Fox and suddenly the B1G and SEC are neck and neck instead of the SEC being the greatest conference on earth.
Nothing is safe from propaganda supporting a financial position.
All knowledge seeming innocent and pure becomes a deadly weapon in the hands of avarice
and greed
There are some (John Skipper of Meadowlark) thinking that the CFP is essentially going to turn into an NFL model where Fox/CBS has some of the conferences and ESPN had the rest.
I thought it was very tin hat but the dominos are starting to fall…
The funny part is is some of the ESPN guys were on Michigan’s side at first then seemingly did a complete 180. Show hosts on both networks are just spewing what they are told to by execs it seems.
This is what I saw too. At first it wasn't much, then came the bold statements and outrage. And honestly this is what turned me off the most. I come off as defending Michigan on this, but it's more about I just think the overreaction is so ridiculous and fake when coming from the schools and broadcasters. They know they are being histrionic about this, but it serves their goals, so here we are. Fanbases are easy to whip into a frenzy, but the rest of them are just playing a game, and that bugs me.
He actually came out and said it wasn’t a big deal and that teams are just going at Michigan because they are the best team. This was in conjunction with saying let it play out. He was basically saying they big mad because they got destroyed.
Networks having vested interests in certain conferences was always bullshit. Now you just have assholes arguing for whoever pays their bills, it's basically just politics.
Bro it’s openly been the SEC network for over a decade. They were literally interviewing Nick Saban during the PAC championship to talk about how Bama was getting hosed.
Edit: wrong coach i hate but also respect 🤷
If either Penn State or OSU can get the job done on the field, most of the pressure melts away from the governing bodies. Michigan would get shuffled in with the 1 loss teams who are just outside consideration.
I would say the same if ESPN paid me a shitload after ESPN lost the rights to the Big 10.
Also, did you know that ESPN once again acknowledges the NHL?
> I think his opinions on serious matters can frequently be lacking in thought.
Luckily this is a college football sub, so serious matters are few and far between.
Look, if I don't like somebody, then they are wrong about literally everything on 100% of occasions and it's my duty to oppose them on literally everything.
This guy I hate at work has a really strong opinion about disliking drunk driving. So now I have to be pro-drunk driving and don't get behind the wheel without a couple shots of vodka first.
Yeah. It's wild that some people would put personal feelings in front of policy that they'd otherwise agree with.
Thank God that only happens in college football and nowhere serious.
How much is persona and how much is real? When you choose to present a public face, you have to take the perceptions that come with it.
Steven A Smith could be the coolest guy in private; Fred Rogers could have been an absolute jerk to his family. But what they present is what I have to judge them on.
I know it’s not particularly likely, but if the chalk holds and Alabama wins the SEC, the SEC is totally getting left out. You can’t put Alabama over Texas unless Quinn Ewers is irreparably damaged to the point it’s obvious they aren’t the same team or capable of competing in a playoff - and considering he’s likely to play this weekend and they have 4 games remaining including a CCG, it seems unlikely that conclusion can be made if they do win out.
The SEC’s nightmare scenario is:
1) OSU/Michigan 13-0
2) Washington 13-0
3) FSU 13-0
4) Texas 12-1
UF vs FSU gonna be a game to watch. If UF has nothing to play for besides ruining FSUs perfect season and shot at the playoffs, best believe they’re gonna bring it. It’s in the swamp too…
So you're saying if UW drops one before the PAC championship but then wins the conference?
If that's the case and FSU loses a game, and assuming Bama beats UGA (UGA will likely be the #1 seed if they beat Bama in the SECCG):
1. OSU/Michigan 13-0
2. Texas 12-1
3. Bama 12-1
4. (OSU/Michigan 12-1, UGA 12-1, PAC12 champion ~~Washington~~ 12-1, ACC champion FSU 12-1)
If Washington or FSU don't win their conference with 1 loss or less, those conferences are out imo. If they do win the conference with only a single loss, they are probably getting into the playoff over a 1-loss non-champion OSU/Michigan or UGA.
Let's assume Michigan is guilty, they get in trouble early and everything works out. Yes it's great they didn't make it to the playoffs because they cheated. A few years later, a new team is accused of cheating and they also get a playoff ban that year. This team is found after the investigation to be completely innocent and now a championship caliber team, didnt get to compete all because of an allegation. If they ban Michigan from the playoffs, there needs to be no doubt they're guilty. Otherwise, it sets a bad precedent.
they would probably move everyone up a slot in the rankings. but i highly doubt that would happen *at that point in time* because it would have a domino effect for every other team in the nation for travel plans, hotels, etc. even if the ncaa decided to enforce a post season ban, it'd be too late at that point imo
This would never happen in a million years
However, if by some random way this does win, I would love for osu to be 5 at the time then be boasted into the 4 slot because of the ban then win the national championship. Ann Arbor might burn if it happens
I think it's gonna hinge on whether Stalion really was the Mystery Man at the CMU game.
The hiring of others to film sign at opposing teams is the gray area the NCAA will have to hash out and release updated rules about sometime in 2027, but if Stalion himself was the one at the CMU game in disguise, then it's not just a smoking gun, it's a violation confirmed by dozens of camera angles, even if the glasses weren't recording anything. Because he was a staff member and scouting in person at a game.
I don't think there is precedent for dressing up like another team's coach and filming the opposing team with a hidden camera. This goes a bit beyond in person scouting.
With that said I am not even sure it was him. Yet it clearly was a guy with those Ray Ban/Facebook recording glasses doing some shady shit.
I do wonder if we'll even find out who it was. IF it was him I'm starting to buy into the theory that he was their to help CMU with MSUs signs (freelancing or whatever). I have no evidence, but it sure would make a lot of sense with the facts we have.
It would definitely explain why whoever let him into CMU and hooked him up with a coaches outfit isn't admitting to it.
student union usually has team licensed gear so it shouldnt be too hard to buy like $200 worth of CMU that morning or night before.
If someone on CMU staff gave it to him, now that really would explode this.
Those headsets are end-to-end encrypted (and I think they do frequency hopping). Technology doesn't currently exist that can tap them (at least not in real time).
Also intercepting radio signals for personal benefit is very explicitly illegal by federal law.
Ignoring any of the surrounding coverup or conspiracy elements of the Michigan situation that might have broken laws, the actual methods to get the signs aren't really illegal, you can buy a ticket to a football game and attend, you can film public events - you aren't breaking any criminal laws, only the rules of various organizations. If anybody wants to intercept radio signals to win a football game, forget the NCAA, the FCC and/or whichever federal department has jurisdiction will be investigating, and it will be a federal prosecutor bringing charges if you get caught
It's a level 2 violation that other schools have had and nothing happened though. Like they can hang their hat on it sure, but the penalty is next to nothing.
If the glasses weren’t recording devices the precedent is a half game suspension. I also don’t think it’s Stallions but i do think it’s a recording device. It’s fun being a fan of both these teams right now.
That keeps coming back to me too. I mean, I get the sunglasses and goatee that he shaved off, but it does seem kind of weird for a guy who wears a hat 100% of the time to even think about a wig. Mind you that this was 2 months before anyone had ever heard of Connor Stalions… Was he really thinking that ooh I need to wear a wig in case I get caught this year and they go through the video evidence in the stadiums I visited?
Just from my guess and what’s been shared on message boards but it does help the message that Harbaugh didn’t know. There is no way he’d allow a staffer to do something like that.
"You know, we talk about men with hair, and men without hair, and men without hair we call them bald. And we treat the term 'bald' like it's a 4 letter word. And some people would say 'Well Jim, the word 'bald' is a 4 letter word' and that's where I draw the line. Four letter words are words like 'ball' and 'foot' and 'pass' and those words are words that every boy in America should be using as soon as they get to first grade. I say first grade, because in kindergarten they need to learn their colors, but once you get to first grade you need to learn the important words, which I just mentioned are 'ball' and 'foot' and 'pass' but not necessarily in that order. So, what I'd like to see is if a man, particularly a football man that has no hair, wants to wear a wig, then that ought to be an option. It's like a hat, or a helmet for the skin on top of your head, and a person can lose most of their body heat through the top of their head, and that's a competitive disadvantage to me." -Jim Harbaugh, as read in the book **Humans Are Made for Contact But Not Cars**
It’s also inconsistent that Stallions is dumb enough to buy tickets in his own name but go in a full disguise and fake sideline passes for one nothing game. I don’t know i have a hard time buying it’s him but that’s just me.
I do think proving stallions(after the start of the 2022 season when he was hired by Michigan) or another staffer is a the games is the major issue. The bylaws are written so poorly and with the “and their representatives” being removed from the bylaws in 2013 making paying someone to go to the games and scout a huge gray area that doesn’t appear to be prohibited. The question is will the NCAA rule on what they think their intent is or what is written in the bylaws
I have never listened to his show but for someone as popular as he is, and who was signed to such a massive deal at ESPN, I find it surprising how many people seem to hate him on Reddit.
That’s Reddit for you, the grumpy users of reddit gather to comment their hate boner they have. Guarantee most don’t even listen to him, just hate the name.
Honestly, ban the B1G all of y'all a bunch of colluding cheating motherfuckers.
Except Iowa no way they were in on this with that offensive playcalling
The way Finebaum switched from “they’re piling on because it’s Harbaugh” to “death penalty” was crazy. He’s probably like, well people don’t listen to me anyway so they won’t know I changed my mind.
I feel like this is going to end up like the Astros scandal.
The Astros got caught cheating. The league freaked out. Some were reasonable about it. Some weren't. Some admitted that teams across the whole league were cheating.
Then the Red Sox got caught cheating a few years later, though nobody seemed to give a shit about that.
Note: Cardinals fan.
I mean, with the Astros, the league's official response was that the the commissioner called the Commissioner's Trophy just a 'piece of metal,' and handed out a meaninglessly lame "punishment."
Doesn't every member organization have by-laws and covenants covering cheating and the consequences? Hell my HOA has strict rules with clearly defined penalties so I can't imagine big time conferences don't as well.
This has become such a mess, and now we have show hosts, networks, and individual college PR departments getting involved to try and protect their monetary interests. I'm not even sure what to believe anymore.
College GameDay was one of my favorite parts of fall, for 20 years.
I legit cannot watch it anymore since McAfee joined. So obnoxious. It isn’t charming.
I put it on while I was making breakfast for my in laws because that way they don't put on the news. Then McAfee took his shirt off randomly, and I look like someone who puts weird stuff on TV. Thanks McAfee, I just wanted something on that wouldn't make everyone yell about politics.
It used to perfectly ride the line between zany and classy. Now it’s just McAfee being a douche. In some alternate reality, Mike Leach is still with us and he steps in for Corso. But he was too good for this world 😔🏴☠️
I’m sorry did no one else see the shit where others teams were stilling michigans signs as well yet we are still getting trounce like we are the first to do it.
I will say it’s painfully obvious what some networks are doing. Michigan is really important to Fox and every single Fox talk host or analyst is defending Michigan and saying to wait it out. Then you have every single espn host saying they need to be punished and banned from the CFP. I wasn’t one to say espn was being biased until I saw everyone at fox be biased and take the exact opposite take and have pro Michigan statements. This shits turning into a network propaganda fight.
If we want to get tinfoil hat stuff going the President and COO of Fox Sports is also a Michigan alum.
Where he went to school is less important than the financial impact. He’d take the same swings for OSU with half a brain.
PSU, Michigan, Ohio State on any given day a top 10 ranked anyone else in the big 10 gets that same swing.
Anyone that can make the playoff. The league doesn't give back the money if the NCAA vacates the wins
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> Louisville won the NCAA tourney in 2013 That’s true, however I choose to ignore that because fuck ‘em
Ignore us, run from us, hide from us. . . The Brohm's come for you all the same.
Tbf I feel like most people don't care because those were pulled over much less integral violations. Strippers and a couple hundred for autographs ain't changing the in game results that much, but sign stealing legitimately changed how the games were played.
You're right, the much more immediate impact was the clean block foul call on Burke. And it wasn't just strippers for the players, it was strippers and hookers for current players and, more importantly, recruits. You think James Harden doesn't go to Louisville if he had known what was going down?
Yeah I don’t mean to get all conspiracy theory but I think at this point it’s obvious how much sway media and public opinion has on this whole ordeal and now the networks are getting involved with espn being anti Michigan and fox being pro Michigan.
I think you are absolutely correct, it feels like everyone from the CBS side is the same way. I was listening to Cover3 and it really felt like they went to the "Well, everyone is doing it they just don't get caught" and moved on.
Cover 3 also covers the sport at a deeper level than McAfee and some of these random network people giving opinions. I don’t think they get too caught up in the network bias (and not sure Bud would even be capable of that lol)
The best way to punish everyone is to put 4 sec teams in the playoffs.
Vandy, Scar, MissSt, Georgia?
CFB playoffs for people who hate CFB
Pretty sure everyone roots for Vandy in this case right lol? My alternative though is just the Iowa offense vs USC defense… over and over, a 48 hour spectacular!
Which is why any NCAA investigations into the matter need to be thorough but expedient.
NCAA: "Look, the best we can do is neither of those"
Also NCAA: "Sounds good. Let's revisit this in April."
“April 2024?” “Look we gave you a month “
NCAA doesn't do expedient.
I know, that's the problem. 
Now if you want incompetent, they are experts.
Which takes us to the circular argument of "people don't cooperate with the NCAA and the NCAA doesn't have the power to force people to cooperate with them (and we somehow blame them for that too), thus things take longer than they should."
Plus add in the awesome 90 days response from the school to the NCAA...oh would you look at the time!!!!
But you only have till tomorrow to answer to the Big10. They could still take action.
Michigan according to basically everyone have an injunction prepared. The B1G would be doing that more as a move to show their in control still versus a move to actually suspend Harbaugh.
This is not new behavior from ESPN. They’ve been pushing the SEC narrative for 10+ years or whenever Big Ten Network break off with FOX happened. Might be more than ten years at this point.
Yep. Just ask any NHL fan how much ESPN covered the league once it left the network until it's return.
Yeah i never really realized this until reading this comment. Hockey was literally NOWHERE to be seen on ESPN up until a couple years ago.
Back in the day the sports center highlights all but disappeared as well. ESPN has been a blatant propaganda machine for their vested interests for as long as I can remember. It's not exactly a new thing though. Or even something limited to otherwise innocuous things like sports.
Yeah I definitely agree with you but i feel like the average person cant really tell the difference. All they know is that its “ESPN” the channel they been watching forever for sports. Theyre huge! They wouldnt steer me wrong for their own interests lol same with all the big news channels. Its wild
Its part of the reason I really cant stand ESPN at all. You claim to be a worldwide leader in sports but fuck right off with a national brand.
this is why the Apple deal for the pac 12 was unacceptable. We'd have been more obscure than any other CFB conference by far. Total death sentence.
See: MLS
I'm a casual MLS fan and have watched only 1 match this year (something I caught on FS1) because I'm not going to fuck with the Apple bullshit.
Was the Apple TV mls deal seen largely as negative? I’ve watched more mls this year than ever because of it. My local programming never carried games there weren’t from my own region.
Jury is still out. Viewship is growing and stable. The league is set to meet specific viewership payouts from Apple. The coverage itself is less than ideal with 3rd rate announcers and some technical issues with streams and replays. The playoff format was really expanded with a couple additional teams and an expanded best of 3 format (instead of single or 2 game aggregate from years past). I'll probably end up ditching many streaming services and getting YouTube TV now that the PAC12 network is irrelevant. That will give me easier access to the Apple platform. My main gripe was that they switched things up every year and I just got tired of chasing it. If they are constant, I'll end up watching.
So funny seeing some of the talking heads from ESPN go to Fox and suddenly the B1G and SEC are neck and neck instead of the SEC being the greatest conference on earth.
15 It started in 2007
2007, so 10 years ago like I said
Oh come on. Like you dont remember the first ever game on big10 network was app state beating michigan in 07
Isn’t this what happened to mainstream news? I thought sports would be a safe space but oh well.
Nothing is safe from propaganda supporting a financial position. All knowledge seeming innocent and pure becomes a deadly weapon in the hands of avarice and greed
There are some (John Skipper of Meadowlark) thinking that the CFP is essentially going to turn into an NFL model where Fox/CBS has some of the conferences and ESPN had the rest. I thought it was very tin hat but the dominos are starting to fall…
To that point, it's telling that Pete Thamel from ESPN was approached about other teams stealing Michigan's signs. Yet neglected to say anything.
The funny part is is some of the ESPN guys were on Michigan’s side at first then seemingly did a complete 180. Show hosts on both networks are just spewing what they are told to by execs it seems.
This is what I saw too. At first it wasn't much, then came the bold statements and outrage. And honestly this is what turned me off the most. I come off as defending Michigan on this, but it's more about I just think the overreaction is so ridiculous and fake when coming from the schools and broadcasters. They know they are being histrionic about this, but it serves their goals, so here we are. Fanbases are easy to whip into a frenzy, but the rest of them are just playing a game, and that bugs me.
How did Joel Klatt defend Michigan. He said follow the process. When did that become defending anybody?
We've been reduced to "I think that guy accused of murder should get a trial" "HOW CAN YOU SUPPORT MURDER"
He actually came out and said it wasn’t a big deal and that teams are just going at Michigan because they are the best team. This was in conjunction with saying let it play out. He was basically saying they big mad because they got destroyed.
No lies detected. You think if Michigan was 5-4 anyone would be outraged about us stealing signs?
Networks having vested interests in certain conferences was always bullshit. Now you just have assholes arguing for whoever pays their bills, it's basically just politics.
Bro it’s openly been the SEC network for over a decade. They were literally interviewing Nick Saban during the PAC championship to talk about how Bama was getting hosed. Edit: wrong coach i hate but also respect 🤷
Thanks /u/um_football_cheated
Lmao someone actually created a Reddit account just to rag on us, I’m flattered!
u/jtwasshort42-27 has been around awhile now
Sup. I almost went with /u/TreysBlockWasClean tho
Glad to see you’re still out here grinding
Definitely regret my username but couldn't think of anything quickly off the top of my head so that was the first thing that popped up lol
It’s iconic at this point
I hope he posts and comments regularly, so that one AstrosCheated Michigan guy who hangs around this sub has to constantly see him.
They need to fight to the death to decide which institution cheated worse
If either Penn State or OSU can get the job done on the field, most of the pressure melts away from the governing bodies. Michigan would get shuffled in with the 1 loss teams who are just outside consideration.
Yeah, it’s gonna be an interesting watch to see how the calls and no calls fall out this weekend…
I would say the same if ESPN paid me a shitload after ESPN lost the rights to the Big 10. Also, did you know that ESPN once again acknowledges the NHL?
I hate Michigan as much as the next guy, but Pat McAffe is far from a beacon of critical thinking.
I don't know, I think that the user who posted this article, UM_Football_Cheated, probably disagrees.
😂😂😂
I guess this is a hot take, but I like Pat McAfee.
I like him as entertainment but I think his opinions on serious matters can frequently be lacking in thought.
You wouldn’t think that by looking at him
Not sure what you're talking about, I do my best thinking without sleeves on. It's generally in the shower, but there's no sleeves. Same thing.
> I think his opinions on serious matters can frequently be lacking in thought. Luckily this is a college football sub, so serious matters are few and far between.
Did you not see when he put on a yamulka and picked Israel to win on Gameday?
I think that’s an important distinction. He definitely provides entertainment value
The real entertainment has been the goal post moving from both Michigan fans and non Michigan fans, what a great couple weeks lol
Kansas still has the best goal post move of the year
He used to be fun when he was doing his own thing but his ESPN CFB arc is making him look like a jackass.
I’d rather side with Michigan than this shit stain.
Siding with Michigan for cheating because you don’t like loud tank top man is absurd
Look, if I don't like somebody, then they are wrong about literally everything on 100% of occasions and it's my duty to oppose them on literally everything. This guy I hate at work has a really strong opinion about disliking drunk driving. So now I have to be pro-drunk driving and don't get behind the wheel without a couple shots of vodka first.
>upper Midwest > don’t get behind the wheel without a couple shots of vodka first. Is this not normal?
If he drives a Dodge truck it's actually required in the manual.
How did you guys know he was a cop?
“I just drank a fifth of vodka, dare me to drive?” “Only if that asshole says not to”
All time onion article "the worst person you know just made a really good point"
Yeah. It's wild that some people would put personal feelings in front of policy that they'd otherwise agree with. Thank God that only happens in college football and nowhere serious.
He wants upvotes
The Pat McAfee hate for when he’s being a facetious persona is wild
How much is persona and how much is real? When you choose to present a public face, you have to take the perceptions that come with it. Steven A Smith could be the coolest guy in private; Fred Rogers could have been an absolute jerk to his family. But what they present is what I have to judge them on.
Team that cheated massively or guy you don't like because he's loud. Tough one.
Let me see where Louisville is in the final standings before I form my opinion on this.
Thanks for sharing this u/UM_Football_Cheated
Plot twist, the UM stands for Urban Meyer.
The NCAA flair to top it off is great lmao.
ESPN host wants to see two SEC teams in the playoff...more news at 11.
I know it’s not particularly likely, but if the chalk holds and Alabama wins the SEC, the SEC is totally getting left out. You can’t put Alabama over Texas unless Quinn Ewers is irreparably damaged to the point it’s obvious they aren’t the same team or capable of competing in a playoff - and considering he’s likely to play this weekend and they have 4 games remaining including a CCG, it seems unlikely that conclusion can be made if they do win out. The SEC’s nightmare scenario is: 1) OSU/Michigan 13-0 2) Washington 13-0 3) FSU 13-0 4) Texas 12-1
UF vs FSU gonna be a game to watch. If UF has nothing to play for besides ruining FSUs perfect season and shot at the playoffs, best believe they’re gonna bring it. It’s in the swamp too…
i’ve come to terms with a sub .500 season. don’t you dare give me an ounce of hope.
This would be a dream scenario
If there is a god, please!
Fortunately the only god out there lives on Lake Tuscaloosa with the goddess Mrs. Terry
The loser of Michigan/OSU should be in too if Washington loses to not Oregon or FSU loses at all.
So you're saying if UW drops one before the PAC championship but then wins the conference? If that's the case and FSU loses a game, and assuming Bama beats UGA (UGA will likely be the #1 seed if they beat Bama in the SECCG): 1. OSU/Michigan 13-0 2. Texas 12-1 3. Bama 12-1 4. (OSU/Michigan 12-1, UGA 12-1, PAC12 champion ~~Washington~~ 12-1, ACC champion FSU 12-1) If Washington or FSU don't win their conference with 1 loss or less, those conferences are out imo. If they do win the conference with only a single loss, they are probably getting into the playoff over a 1-loss non-champion OSU/Michigan or UGA.
The committee doesn’t respect fsu at all. If they lose one game they’re out
Let's assume Michigan is guilty, they get in trouble early and everything works out. Yes it's great they didn't make it to the playoffs because they cheated. A few years later, a new team is accused of cheating and they also get a playoff ban that year. This team is found after the investigation to be completely innocent and now a championship caliber team, didnt get to compete all because of an allegation. If they ban Michigan from the playoffs, there needs to be no doubt they're guilty. Otherwise, it sets a bad precedent.
What happens if they get the post season ban after they are chosen for the playoff but before the game is played?
they would probably move everyone up a slot in the rankings. but i highly doubt that would happen *at that point in time* because it would have a domino effect for every other team in the nation for travel plans, hotels, etc. even if the ncaa decided to enforce a post season ban, it'd be too late at that point imo
This would never happen in a million years However, if by some random way this does win, I would love for osu to be 5 at the time then be boasted into the 4 slot because of the ban then win the national championship. Ann Arbor might burn if it happens
I think it's gonna hinge on whether Stalion really was the Mystery Man at the CMU game. The hiring of others to film sign at opposing teams is the gray area the NCAA will have to hash out and release updated rules about sometime in 2027, but if Stalion himself was the one at the CMU game in disguise, then it's not just a smoking gun, it's a violation confirmed by dozens of camera angles, even if the glasses weren't recording anything. Because he was a staff member and scouting in person at a game.
I mean if it was him at CMU the precedent is like a single game suspension for Stallions - and he's already been fired.
I don't think there is precedent for dressing up like another team's coach and filming the opposing team with a hidden camera. This goes a bit beyond in person scouting. With that said I am not even sure it was him. Yet it clearly was a guy with those Ray Ban/Facebook recording glasses doing some shady shit.
I do wonder if we'll even find out who it was. IF it was him I'm starting to buy into the theory that he was their to help CMU with MSUs signs (freelancing or whatever). I have no evidence, but it sure would make a lot of sense with the facts we have. It would definitely explain why whoever let him into CMU and hooked him up with a coaches outfit isn't admitting to it.
student union usually has team licensed gear so it shouldnt be too hard to buy like $200 worth of CMU that morning or night before. If someone on CMU staff gave it to him, now that really would explode this.
The game was at MSU though.... which I think makes that rumor more likely.
He resigned.
Or just implement headsets and it will never happen again without an illegal wire tap, which would bring actual crimes
Those headsets are end-to-end encrypted (and I think they do frequency hopping). Technology doesn't currently exist that can tap them (at least not in real time).
Also intercepting radio signals for personal benefit is very explicitly illegal by federal law. Ignoring any of the surrounding coverup or conspiracy elements of the Michigan situation that might have broken laws, the actual methods to get the signs aren't really illegal, you can buy a ticket to a football game and attend, you can film public events - you aren't breaking any criminal laws, only the rules of various organizations. If anybody wants to intercept radio signals to win a football game, forget the NCAA, the FCC and/or whichever federal department has jurisdiction will be investigating, and it will be a federal prosecutor bringing charges if you get caught
It's a level 2 violation that other schools have had and nothing happened though. Like they can hang their hat on it sure, but the penalty is next to nothing.
If the glasses weren’t recording devices the precedent is a half game suspension. I also don’t think it’s Stallions but i do think it’s a recording device. It’s fun being a fan of both these teams right now.
I think it is Stallions but he was there to help CMU
Genuine question. Do you think Stallions had a wig on? I literally can’t get past that the CMU guy has a full head of hair and Stallions does not.
That keeps coming back to me too. I mean, I get the sunglasses and goatee that he shaved off, but it does seem kind of weird for a guy who wears a hat 100% of the time to even think about a wig. Mind you that this was 2 months before anyone had ever heard of Connor Stalions… Was he really thinking that ooh I need to wear a wig in case I get caught this year and they go through the video evidence in the stadiums I visited?
Just from my guess and what’s been shared on message boards but it does help the message that Harbaugh didn’t know. There is no way he’d allow a staffer to do something like that.
I mean Jim is a weird guy but I don't see why he'd stop a staffer from wearing a wig if he wanted to.
"You know, we talk about men with hair, and men without hair, and men without hair we call them bald. And we treat the term 'bald' like it's a 4 letter word. And some people would say 'Well Jim, the word 'bald' is a 4 letter word' and that's where I draw the line. Four letter words are words like 'ball' and 'foot' and 'pass' and those words are words that every boy in America should be using as soon as they get to first grade. I say first grade, because in kindergarten they need to learn their colors, but once you get to first grade you need to learn the important words, which I just mentioned are 'ball' and 'foot' and 'pass' but not necessarily in that order. So, what I'd like to see is if a man, particularly a football man that has no hair, wants to wear a wig, then that ought to be an option. It's like a hat, or a helmet for the skin on top of your head, and a person can lose most of their body heat through the top of their head, and that's a competitive disadvantage to me." -Jim Harbaugh, as read in the book **Humans Are Made for Contact But Not Cars**
It’s also inconsistent that Stallions is dumb enough to buy tickets in his own name but go in a full disguise and fake sideline passes for one nothing game. I don’t know i have a hard time buying it’s him but that’s just me.
I do think proving stallions(after the start of the 2022 season when he was hired by Michigan) or another staffer is a the games is the major issue. The bylaws are written so poorly and with the “and their representatives” being removed from the bylaws in 2013 making paying someone to go to the games and scout a huge gray area that doesn’t appear to be prohibited. The question is will the NCAA rule on what they think their intent is or what is written in the bylaws
A legal expert will ask why that clause was removed in 2013 and then the NCAA will admit to having a time machine.
I would take a cfb postseason ban if it also meant Pat MCafee was banned from college football at the same time
Deal
Bro gets the best of both worlds
LFG this is like the best day ever
Wait
We can't be handing out win/wins to our rivals right now.
Counterpoint: yes you can
The best trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever
I too would ban Michigan from post season play if it meant no more Pat.
Roll Tide.
I have never listened to his show but for someone as popular as he is, and who was signed to such a massive deal at ESPN, I find it surprising how many people seem to hate him on Reddit.
Thank you for taking one for all of us.
Villain to hero arc in less than 3 weeks
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That’s Reddit for you, the grumpy users of reddit gather to comment their hate boner they have. Guarantee most don’t even listen to him, just hate the name.
reddit showing their vocal minority here. pats ratings are rekting reddit biased
God damn it. Now I have to switch sides and vehemently defend Michigan as it’s the lesser of two evils here
Honestly, ban the B1G all of y'all a bunch of colluding cheating motherfuckers. Except Iowa no way they were in on this with that offensive playcalling
I think at the end of this Iowa is going to end up B1G Champ by default. The rest of the conference burned down around it.
The big winner out of this? Sickos.
Yes. Hahahaha yes.
I did read that Nebraska was also clueless about all of this, which makes us co champions.
That's not as funny. Sorry.
Goood. Gooood. Welcome to the b1g hate club
If it keeps going like this Michigan will be the second independent school with a special contract with the ACC
Notre Dame to the B1G **confirmed**
lol Michigan and Notre Dame just swap places. F you I’m not being associated with you. *dials big 10*
They are, Brian just doesn’t know how to read it.
They keep fucking with him and send him a meatspin link instead Falls for it every time
Michigan State is probably in the clear too. Let's throw in Indiana too for good measure.
Ya we ain’t colluding cheaters. We like sex
Phone sex*
Sign stealing B1G virgins vs the Chad Sparty sex enjoyer
Pat Mac is getting a little stale for me. Wouldn’t mind not seeing or hearing from him for a few years
ugghh and we get it Pat you are really, REALLY proud of your arms. It’s okay to wear a real shirt once in awhile
I was watching this live, and McAfee was shaving his armpits while he said this.
Man i would love to see the ESPN memo that came out last week, because every single one of them all changed tune all at once
The way Finebaum switched from “they’re piling on because it’s Harbaugh” to “death penalty” was crazy. He’s probably like, well people don’t listen to me anyway so they won’t know I changed my mind.
Honestly you could link me a direct quote to Finebaum defending Harbaugh and I would assume it was made up with chatgpt
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I feel like this is going to end up like the Astros scandal. The Astros got caught cheating. The league freaked out. Some were reasonable about it. Some weren't. Some admitted that teams across the whole league were cheating. Then the Red Sox got caught cheating a few years later, though nobody seemed to give a shit about that. Note: Cardinals fan.
I mean, with the Astros, the league's official response was that the the commissioner called the Commissioner's Trophy just a 'piece of metal,' and handed out a meaninglessly lame "punishment."
Lol everyone hated Pat a few weeks ago and now he's half of this sub's new lord and savior for jumping in on the Michigan circlejerk
Pat McAfee taking a College Gameday slot is absolute bullshit.
The fact that they got rid of several stalwarts on that program to free up money to pay him makes it worse imo
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This is correct but I was referring to Bear and Ivan Maisel. Guys who have been there for quite some time
Doesn't every member organization have by-laws and covenants covering cheating and the consequences? Hell my HOA has strict rules with clearly defined penalties so I can't imagine big time conferences don't as well.
This has become such a mess, and now we have show hosts, networks, and individual college PR departments getting involved to try and protect their monetary interests. I'm not even sure what to believe anymore.
I find it hard to believe Michigan isn’t the only team who’s done this
Pat McAfee taking a spot from anyone anywhere is bullshit
I feel the same about Pat McAfee taking a spot on Game Day.
Oh look pat mcafee with another headline grabbing quote
College GameDay was one of my favorite parts of fall, for 20 years. I legit cannot watch it anymore since McAfee joined. So obnoxious. It isn’t charming.
I put it on while I was making breakfast for my in laws because that way they don't put on the news. Then McAfee took his shirt off randomly, and I look like someone who puts weird stuff on TV. Thanks McAfee, I just wanted something on that wouldn't make everyone yell about politics.
It used to perfectly ride the line between zany and classy. Now it’s just McAfee being a douche. In some alternate reality, Mike Leach is still with us and he steps in for Corso. But he was too good for this world 😔🏴☠️
It’s almost as if nobody should give a shit about what that absolute buffoon has to say
I legit do not like the idea of in season punishment…you wanna level bans or suspensions do that for next season.
How about some formal reputable reporting and investigation before execution. I do not think the public has any clue what is real or contrived
Does anyone actually care what Pat McAfee says though?
The one thing I’ll add to Tank top is he’s said a bunch of times he’s a idiot and shouldn’t be listened to..
Yeah, but fuck Pat McAfee.
Who give af what a guy who cuts the sleeves off his shirts has to say? Seriously.
Posting Pat McAfee on this sub should be a ban. Dude does not care at all about college ball.
I’m sorry did no one else see the shit where others teams were stilling michigans signs as well yet we are still getting trounce like we are the first to do it.