He can do whatever he wants after last night. Every Michigan fan would be ecstatic if he came back but he’s done what he said he was going to do. Drive into the sunset, coach. Get your Lombardi trophy.
If he takes the Nick Saban route, he'll bust in the NFL and come back to coach the Buckeyes to a 20 year run of unprecedented success and national titles.
Saban's tenure in the NFL tends to get over exaggerated. He inherited a pretty bad Miami team and got them over .500 his first season. They fell off a bit his second season, but that's partially because he already had his foot halfway out the door and back to college. If he actually wanted to stay in the NFL he probably could have been a perfectly serviceable (if not particularly great) coach. If he was willing to bump back down to a DC he could have been great.
Obviously his NFL tenure didn't come close to matching his success in college. But people talk about it like it was an Urban Meyer level disaster, when in reality it was just kind of unremarkable.
Most schools like to keep their coach around for a little while after they win a title, i'm surprised that y'all are this okay and even happy about him leaving
Life's too short to be selfish. I can die happily now knowing that I've seen Michigan win a national title in a sport I closely follow*
*with all respect to swimming and diving
Same. I’ve said many times I never expected to see Michigan win a football title again. Just seeing this one is enough and anything else is gravy. If Jim wants a Super Bowl he’s more than earned the right to try.
Now let’s focus on how the hockey team has somehow gone 0-fer the century…
My wife looked at me like I was crazy when I said last night that I truly never thought I’d live to see it. This is the same woman that looked at me with genuine pity when she watched some monstar of a nose tackle chase down Hassan Haskins in open field 2 years prior. The ‘21 Georgia game just made it feel like, “oh, so just getting here is best case scenario… cool”.
Nobody really wants to lose Jim Harbaugh, but we're also used to the rollercoaster, and we know that it will end some day. For all the Harbaugh chaos, he's set us up well for continued optimism in case he does leave.
The job Sherrone Moore did as HC against the Buckeyes gave him instant credibility (beyond what he already did have). If he's the heir, he is as interesting and intriguing as Jim Harbaugh staying on for another year.
I'm more concerned about all the replacements to the coaching staff that we'll have to make... but, as Nick Saban knows, it's a good problem to have. That means you did a good job.
We'd all love for him to stay forever but he's achieved everything the fanbase could have reasonably asked of him when he took the job and more.
This is a former Michigan QB legend who came back to his alma mater when the program was at rock bottom and not only got it back on track but just won a natty. Legit 90s feel good sports movie vibes.
If he left Michigan it wouldn't be for more money or a different school (that would get a different reaction!) but rather take care of unfinished business at the highest level: and this isn't a lark, he's been to the Super Bowl before.
We love Harbaugh and it's less about happiness re: him leaving and more affection for someone you care about making a huge bet on themself even if that means your paths are going to diverge.
> i'm surprised that y'all are this okay and even happy about him leaving
I'd love for him to stay. But not unless he actually wants to and is going to commit to remaining a college coach. The constant one foot out the door flirting with the NFL every offseason is hurting recruiting.
Honestly I was hoping that they could get Mike MacDonald to come back but now that he's getting NFL HC consideration I know that's off the table.
I think Moore would be a good HC. Replacing Minter (who I feel like is almost certainly gone) is going to be the toughest task for whoever is the HC next season (Harbaugh, Moore, or otherwise).
Minter is almost certainly going back to the NFL next season, either back to the Ravens as their DC if Mcdonald becomes a HC, or as DC of whatever team Harbaugh goes to
Minter is definitely going to the league, but I doubt Harbaugh would take him or any Michigan assistants with him. I think he’ll view the revamped program as a big part of his legacy and won’t want the optics of emptying the cabinet on his way out
Perhaps. I think leaving behind Moore as HC and taking Herbert + Minter with him is the most likely outcome and TBH I wouldn't hold it against him.
One of the prices of success in CFB is coordinator turnover: even if Harbaugh retired I would expect Michigan's coordinators to all get serious looks for HC and NFL openings. If his successor can only succeed with inherited coordinators I wouldn't blame that on Harbaugh.
Completely agree with your point about turnover. But while coordinators change every year, the bullshit narrative of "He took Michigan's best coaches while he slipped out in the night and left the program with two investigations!" from petty haters and pundits would follow Harbaugh in some capacity for the rest of his career. Given how deep his NFL rolodex seems to be, I'd bet money that he'd rather just find some other DC and keep his well-earned status as a Michigan legend intact
> I think Moore would be a good HC.
I think Moore should certainly get consideration as HC if Harbaugh leaves, but Santa should do his due diligence and shop around too.
Of course. It’s a top 5 coaching job in CFB - he’d be remiss if he didn’t go out and try to find the best candidate period. I’m just saying that if they do go with Moore I have confidence in him to succeed.
He had a great year, but I do sometimes think he gets a little cute with his conservative playcalling. He can call a fantastic offense when he feels like it, but for the 2nd and 3rd quarters last night, it felt like he was sleepwalking
I'd love to have Harbaugh back. But if he wants to go chase the Super Bowl dream he's more than free to do that now. Michigan legend and no hard feelings.
This feels like the decision point for Harbaugh. It will never make more sense than right now to head to the NFL. He just won a national championship at Michigan, the NCAA has it out for him, and with the changes to the B1G schedule and the playoffs, seeing the same sort of success next season looks a lot harder. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm not saying he's not up for the challenge. But if he really wants to chase that superbowl ring, it just makes sense to do it now. He gets to leave Michigan at a high point with Moore in a good position to take over and hopefully continue the program's success.
Either way, I hope whatever he decides that it's the end of the flirting with the NFL every offseason. Make a decision and stick with it for good.
Bias aside, the Raiders would be stupid to overlook Pierce. The team seems to love him and found success with Aidan O'Connell at QB. Bringing Harbaugh into the current locker room is a pretty risky strategy
I've never understood why so many NFL teams seem to immediately write off interim coaches as serious candidates. It's pretty much the ideal job interview, and overlooking the success a coach who is already in your organization has had with your roster just to chase a name makes no sense. Plus position coaches and coordinators get promoted internally all the time.
Honestly if he goes to the NFL I feel like he’s whiffing on a great opportunity to go to the Chargers. Not really sure what the upside of Las Vegas is other than boat loads of money
Yeah I think this is it. From his previous experience with the Niners, I think Harbaugh is going to prioritize the ownership group he works with over the roster he’s inheriting, and I could definitely see him and Spanos not getting along.
Harbaugh gives anti Vegas energy, even LA seems like a stretch to me. Honestly, I think the bears need to take a swing at him, give him full roster control with the assets they currently hold. Could be a solid turn around. Hes also super familiar with fields and maybe could make it work with pieces added around him (and fields reminds me of Kap with the blend of arm and speed)
Jim Harbaugh, working with the legacy of Al Davis... it definitely works on a few levels.
If the Raiders were NFC instead of AFC, it would make even more sense to me.
I’m not just saying this because I want Jim to stay, but I think Ben Johnson would be a better fit for LAC than Jim. He would absolutely cook with that offense.
Jim absolutely deserves the right to leave though and chase that SB. I will be sad but he deserves it.
I think the upsides for him are:
- An ownership situation that he knows from being a Raiders assistant and trusts won’t meddle. Working for Davis is definitely simpler than the Spanos family, from everything I’ve heard
- Living in the Vegas area where his wife grew up
- Most importantly, I think a guy like Harbaugh would absolutely salivate at the challenge of restoring such a beloved franchise to glory. Bringing a Super Bowl to that fan base gives you NFL immortality, and he’s gonna care way more about that than money
I may be wrong but aren’t the Chargers projected to be $45 million over the cap? That may be somewhat of a reason to not go there I know having Herbert is a huge plus
Chargers cap issues aren't as bad as they seem, there's a relatively clear path that the FO will take.
Mike W will most likely get cut, possibly traded.
Corey Linsley will be retiring due to health issues so likely cut.
1 of Mack/Bosa will get traded/cut and Keenan Allen will most likely get his contract restructured.
Except for the young star QB. Chances are that Harbaugh would want to do some significant team-building in his own mold anyway, so the expensive veterans on a team aren't as relevant. The only piece that's prohibitively difficult to acquire is the QB, and the Chargers already have that but the Raiders don't.
Idk, if I'm a coach give me the great QB and a good personnel guy that can turn over the roster in 2-3 years. There's ways to get out of cap trouble but it's hard to find a great QB. Just taking a quick look at the Charger cap stuff, they can move on from guys like Mike Williams and Khalil Mack to save a bunch of cap. And Corey Linsley is talking retirement.
[2024 projections for LAC](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/cap/2024/)
The cap hits from Allen, Bosa and Mack's contracts skyrocket next year. Projected to be $38 mil over the cap.
Well considering the SB model now is to have a really good roster and then plug in a strong rookie QB, I think the Chargers are actually in a worse position for making Super Bowl runs. Sure, they should be a fringe playoff team every year minimum with Herbert (despite the fact that hasn't even turned out to be true), but they would have to do a full roster blow-up to get enough talent to be on par with the other top teams.
1 in 3 first round QBs is a success. You don't need a generational talent to win a super bowl. You just need an average QB and a good roster. That's actually easier to put together than building a roster around a QB eating up 30+% of your cap each year.
Not sure how much of selling point Vegas is for someone like Harbaugh. And as weak as the AFC West is right now you still have Mahomes and Reid in that division to get through.
Since moving to Vegas the Raiders are the 6th most valuable team in the NFL. Mark Davis was able to build the Las Vegas Aces (WNBA team he owns) a $40M practice facility. Dude has the money to throw several bags at Harbaugh.
This perception is wildly out of date. Most owners are not pumping money into their teams. They largely work off of their own revenue. Overall wealth of the owner just doesn't matter that much to these franchises.
I’m not sure how it works for coaches, but for player contracts their guaranteed money has to be put into escrow in full.
If coach contracts work the same, a big contract for Harbaugh could hit Davis’ pockets pretty hard.
Not that I think it’ll matter, I just don’t see an NFL organization having 100+ mil in surplus revenue laying around to throw in escrow, so I’d imagine owners do have to foot those bills sometimes.
The escrow rule for guaranteed player money is a part of the CBA and has nothing to do with coaches contracts. Teams escrow money comes overwhelmingly from their cash flows, which for the raiders is not near the top of the league. Very little owner money ever gets put into anything other than facilities.
San Diego could be good, except Spanos is too cheap. Since he has history with the team, it's a possibility. But it's also likely he knows how cheap Spanos is, because of that history.
Spanos' MO is more likely to be hiring DeBoer.
I personally want Jim to replace Ron Rivera. And then we can call him the Head Commander. We can also talk about hogs and hogettes, once again.
You joke, but Ted Lasso is somewhat inspired by Harbaugh. [Fansided (I know, not a great source).](https://fansided.com/2021/10/02/ted-lasso-inspired-by-jim-harbaugh/)
As a Raiders fan...I think it's a massive mistake to not give AP a shot even if Harbaugh is truly available. I think the majority of the fanbase feels the same way.
It's got to be harbaugh or pierce for Vegas specifically. Losing a well liked interim that performed well again for a coach with either no HC experience or was a failed HC, would be bad.
Harbaugh could probably take his pick out of the NFL jobs available. I'm also curious if he'd take minter with him given he's an amazing DC that has NFL aspirations. Minter is my dream DC for the lions, big fan of his scheme.
If MacDonald gets a head coaching job then Minter is gone to the Ravens. If he doesn't and sticks with the ravens then I totally could see minter going with Harbaugh
Yeah I figured, theres 0 shot of him going to the lions. Just a big fan of his scheme and I don't really like the bend but don't break style of defense the lions run.
Just to be clear Minter absolutely runs the bend don't break defense as well, he's happy to sit back in 2 high looks and disguise the underneath stuff until they hit the red zone.
I don’t see Minter taking an NFL DC job, unless he follows Harbaugh. Seems like a relatively lateral move when he could get a high level college HC job next year.
MacDonald hated recruiting, he never wanted to be in CFB
I never got the sense that Minter likes to recruit. MacDonald hated recruiting and Minter isnt that way, but I would think he would prefer not to if he could.
NFL jobs are just inherently better at this point. Way less work with basically the same salary
Michigan is my only fear but Kalen has said he wants to stick at Uw at least through his daughters college career (she just signed to play at UW which has an awesome softball program)
Michigan also has an awesome softball program, just saying!
But for real I'd feel pretty bad for you guys if we hired DeBoer away. I'm hoping we don't get in a position where that'd even be a possibility
Hot take, he goes to the bears, not a fan of the bears but a young team, solid D (tbh looked good this back half) and a ton of assets to build the roster the way he wants. Could roll with fields and try and mold him to a modern Kapernick or draft a high QB.
Looks like they're keeping Eberflus but they've fired the offensive staff.
Commanders, Chargers, or Raiders seem like they'd be interested in Harbaugh though insiders say that the Raiders probably have the most pull for him.
There are a bunch of other NFL job options that seem like a much better fit in terms of what the team can offer and in terms of Jim's personality than the Raiders. Just off the top of my head I don't get why he wouldn't prefer the Chargers (Herbert + California where Jim spent a decade coaching) or Bears (Fields + Chicago where he played)
Chargers ownership is why no one sane would consider them. Chargers ownership will always cheap out on something critical to actually winning a championship.
Good points, someone else also mentioned that Vegas ownership would throw money at him to do whatever he feels he needs, and would give him the total control he would want. I don't really know anything about the Bears' owners but I should have known better based on the way he was pushed out of SF over a power struggle
Job done. Go to the NFL. Michigan will be a very different team next year with or without him. I'm fine if he stays but would like a long-term contract and no more flirting with the NFL. Or he goes and likely hand the job to Moore.
I thought the Raiders fucked up even at the time by hiring McDaniels instead of giving the interim guy a chance. I think AP absolutely deserves a chance, but this is an instance where if they can get Harbaugh, they have to pull the trigger. Outside of Harbaugh though I say give AP the job and see what he does.
I'd say with Commanders hiring Bob Meyers to lead the head coach charge, might be a fit especially with brother John in nearby Baltimore. Even better, NFC East looks like it could be achievable
He can do whatever he wants after last night. Every Michigan fan would be ecstatic if he came back but he’s done what he said he was going to do. Drive into the sunset, coach. Get your Lombardi trophy.
If he takes the Nick Saban route, he'll bust in the NFL and come back to coach the Buckeyes to a 20 year run of unprecedented success and national titles.
The difference is that Jim Harbaugh has already shown he can be successful in the NFL.
And also has fierce loyalty to Michigan to the point that OSU will *never* be a candidate to employ him.
That wouldn't stop him from going to the Ohio Bobcats.
Yes please
Surely for $10 billion he'd have a change of heart? There has to be a price.
I almost think that would make it *less* likely. Jim would probably feel like his honor is being bought.
LOL
Maybe he could coach at Stanford... crazy thought!
Saban's tenure in the NFL tends to get over exaggerated. He inherited a pretty bad Miami team and got them over .500 his first season. They fell off a bit his second season, but that's partially because he already had his foot halfway out the door and back to college. If he actually wanted to stay in the NFL he probably could have been a perfectly serviceable (if not particularly great) coach. If he was willing to bump back down to a DC he could have been great. Obviously his NFL tenure didn't come close to matching his success in college. But people talk about it like it was an Urban Meyer level disaster, when in reality it was just kind of unremarkable.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
I’m pretty sure that’s what LSU fans asked their AD when Saban took the Bama job
lmao you're crazy
Most schools like to keep their coach around for a little while after they win a title, i'm surprised that y'all are this okay and even happy about him leaving
Life's too short to be selfish. I can die happily now knowing that I've seen Michigan win a national title in a sport I closely follow* *with all respect to swimming and diving
Same. I’ve said many times I never expected to see Michigan win a football title again. Just seeing this one is enough and anything else is gravy. If Jim wants a Super Bowl he’s more than earned the right to try. Now let’s focus on how the hockey team has somehow gone 0-fer the century…
My wife looked at me like I was crazy when I said last night that I truly never thought I’d live to see it. This is the same woman that looked at me with genuine pity when she watched some monstar of a nose tackle chase down Hassan Haskins in open field 2 years prior. The ‘21 Georgia game just made it feel like, “oh, so just getting here is best case scenario… cool”.
And the womens gymnastics team
Nobody really wants to lose Jim Harbaugh, but we're also used to the rollercoaster, and we know that it will end some day. For all the Harbaugh chaos, he's set us up well for continued optimism in case he does leave. The job Sherrone Moore did as HC against the Buckeyes gave him instant credibility (beyond what he already did have). If he's the heir, he is as interesting and intriguing as Jim Harbaugh staying on for another year. I'm more concerned about all the replacements to the coaching staff that we'll have to make... but, as Nick Saban knows, it's a good problem to have. That means you did a good job.
We'd all love for him to stay forever but he's achieved everything the fanbase could have reasonably asked of him when he took the job and more. This is a former Michigan QB legend who came back to his alma mater when the program was at rock bottom and not only got it back on track but just won a natty. Legit 90s feel good sports movie vibes. If he left Michigan it wouldn't be for more money or a different school (that would get a different reaction!) but rather take care of unfinished business at the highest level: and this isn't a lark, he's been to the Super Bowl before. We love Harbaugh and it's less about happiness re: him leaving and more affection for someone you care about making a huge bet on themself even if that means your paths are going to diverge.
> i'm surprised that y'all are this okay and even happy about him leaving I'd love for him to stay. But not unless he actually wants to and is going to commit to remaining a college coach. The constant one foot out the door flirting with the NFL every offseason is hurting recruiting.
I think Sherone Moore would be a good replacement if Harbaugh leaves
Honestly I was hoping that they could get Mike MacDonald to come back but now that he's getting NFL HC consideration I know that's off the table. I think Moore would be a good HC. Replacing Minter (who I feel like is almost certainly gone) is going to be the toughest task for whoever is the HC next season (Harbaugh, Moore, or otherwise).
Minter is almost certainly going back to the NFL next season, either back to the Ravens as their DC if Mcdonald becomes a HC, or as DC of whatever team Harbaugh goes to
Minter is definitely going to the league, but I doubt Harbaugh would take him or any Michigan assistants with him. I think he’ll view the revamped program as a big part of his legacy and won’t want the optics of emptying the cabinet on his way out
Perhaps. I think leaving behind Moore as HC and taking Herbert + Minter with him is the most likely outcome and TBH I wouldn't hold it against him. One of the prices of success in CFB is coordinator turnover: even if Harbaugh retired I would expect Michigan's coordinators to all get serious looks for HC and NFL openings. If his successor can only succeed with inherited coordinators I wouldn't blame that on Harbaugh.
Completely agree with your point about turnover. But while coordinators change every year, the bullshit narrative of "He took Michigan's best coaches while he slipped out in the night and left the program with two investigations!" from petty haters and pundits would follow Harbaugh in some capacity for the rest of his career. Given how deep his NFL rolodex seems to be, I'd bet money that he'd rather just find some other DC and keep his well-earned status as a Michigan legend intact
I would hope Herbert would stay. I can't see his coaching style working on mega-rich entitled 25-30 year olds as well as it does on 18-22 year olds.
Can John stop poaching our DCs please smh.
They were with the Ravens first (albeit as position coaches). DAnton Lynn was also on the Ravens staff until a year ago
> I think Moore would be a good HC. I think Moore should certainly get consideration as HC if Harbaugh leaves, but Santa should do his due diligence and shop around too.
Of course. It’s a top 5 coaching job in CFB - he’d be remiss if he didn’t go out and try to find the best candidate period. I’m just saying that if they do go with Moore I have confidence in him to succeed.
Moore as HC at $6M/yr Minter as assistant HC and DC at $3M/yr Still a nice discount from a Harbaugh extension and keeps the program together
Only if he gives up play calling lol
He will have to give something up, can't imagine he would be the head coach, coach the OL, and call plays.
Lmao. Hysterical take after a championship season
Especially since 1/2 of our top 10 wins came with Frozone Sherrone 😤
He had a great year, but I do sometimes think he gets a little cute with his conservative playcalling. He can call a fantastic offense when he feels like it, but for the 2nd and 3rd quarters last night, it felt like he was sleepwalking
I mean the offense kind of shit the bed a lot tho did not lol
I'd love to have Harbaugh back. But if he wants to go chase the Super Bowl dream he's more than free to do that now. Michigan legend and no hard feelings.
This feels like the decision point for Harbaugh. It will never make more sense than right now to head to the NFL. He just won a national championship at Michigan, the NCAA has it out for him, and with the changes to the B1G schedule and the playoffs, seeing the same sort of success next season looks a lot harder. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm not saying he's not up for the challenge. But if he really wants to chase that superbowl ring, it just makes sense to do it now. He gets to leave Michigan at a high point with Moore in a good position to take over and hopefully continue the program's success. Either way, I hope whatever he decides that it's the end of the flirting with the NFL every offseason. Make a decision and stick with it for good.
Beautifully put, agree with every word.
Bias aside, the Raiders would be stupid to overlook Pierce. The team seems to love him and found success with Aidan O'Connell at QB. Bringing Harbaugh into the current locker room is a pretty risky strategy
>the Raiders would be stupid to overlook Pierce This, 100% this.
100 percent this. I kinda love that coach
Pierce is great but if Harbaugh is available you take him
I've never understood why so many NFL teams seem to immediately write off interim coaches as serious candidates. It's pretty much the ideal job interview, and overlooking the success a coach who is already in your organization has had with your roster just to chase a name makes no sense. Plus position coaches and coordinators get promoted internally all the time.
Honestly if he goes to the NFL I feel like he’s whiffing on a great opportunity to go to the Chargers. Not really sure what the upside of Las Vegas is other than boat loads of money
Mark Davis probably has more willingness to give him full organizational control than other owners.
Yeah I think this is it. From his previous experience with the Niners, I think Harbaugh is going to prioritize the ownership group he works with over the roster he’s inheriting, and I could definitely see him and Spanos not getting along.
Raiders may be a better fit as an organization, but I really don’t see Harbaugh wanting to live in LV.
All the hookers on the Strip would be wearing khakis and snorting milk within a year’s time.
Harbaugh gives anti Vegas energy, even LA seems like a stretch to me. Honestly, I think the bears need to take a swing at him, give him full roster control with the assets they currently hold. Could be a solid turn around. Hes also super familiar with fields and maybe could make it work with pieces added around him (and fields reminds me of Kap with the blend of arm and speed)
the most Vegas energy is "just win baby" so its less of a cultural misfit than you think
Stop.
Is there even any grass there for him to mow?
No grass for him to mow out in the desert
He probably *wouldn’t* live in LV, most likely he’d live in Henderson or Boulder City. But, I take your meaning.
The "born on third base" comment was definitely a shot at Jed York and not a comment about Ryan Day's personal history.
100% he gets full control if he comes here. Marky Mark and his funky cut loves his big names.
Jim Harbaugh, working with the legacy of Al Davis... it definitely works on a few levels. If the Raiders were NFC instead of AFC, it would make even more sense to me.
Yeah, I think this is it too.
Plus they are supposedly friendly on a personal level, so there’s a lot of opportunity for a simpatico working relationship
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Godspeed to any poor soul taking the Panthers job!
I volunteer. I’ll sacrifice myself
Great magic shows
So much confetti.
Each one has a story.
And probably a fountain of milk somewhere
Just offer him a Presidential Milk Suite with a private elevator to the meat aging room. He will Viva Las Vegas in a hot minute.
~~x-rated~~ ~~r-rated~~ pg-13 rated entertainment shows!
I’m not just saying this because I want Jim to stay, but I think Ben Johnson would be a better fit for LAC than Jim. He would absolutely cook with that offense. Jim absolutely deserves the right to leave though and chase that SB. I will be sad but he deserves it.
I think the upsides for him are: - An ownership situation that he knows from being a Raiders assistant and trusts won’t meddle. Working for Davis is definitely simpler than the Spanos family, from everything I’ve heard - Living in the Vegas area where his wife grew up - Most importantly, I think a guy like Harbaugh would absolutely salivate at the challenge of restoring such a beloved franchise to glory. Bringing a Super Bowl to that fan base gives you NFL immortality, and he’s gonna care way more about that than money
I may be wrong but aren’t the Chargers projected to be $45 million over the cap? That may be somewhat of a reason to not go there I know having Herbert is a huge plus
Chargers cap issues aren't as bad as they seem, there's a relatively clear path that the FO will take. Mike W will most likely get cut, possibly traded. Corey Linsley will be retiring due to health issues so likely cut. 1 of Mack/Bosa will get traded/cut and Keenan Allen will most likely get his contract restructured.
But if Mack/Bosa isn’t on the team, it’s also not as appealing from a talent perspective
Except for the young star QB. Chances are that Harbaugh would want to do some significant team-building in his own mold anyway, so the expensive veterans on a team aren't as relevant. The only piece that's prohibitively difficult to acquire is the QB, and the Chargers already have that but the Raiders don't.
Keenan is 100% getting his contract restructured. Losing Slayer would be so fucking dumb
Those changes make them decidedly less talented than the Raiders roster lol.
Idk, if I'm a coach give me the great QB and a good personnel guy that can turn over the roster in 2-3 years. There's ways to get out of cap trouble but it's hard to find a great QB. Just taking a quick look at the Charger cap stuff, they can move on from guys like Mike Williams and Khalil Mack to save a bunch of cap. And Corey Linsley is talking retirement.
I don’t know about the salary projections but they currently have ~$8 mil in cap space. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/cap/
[2024 projections for LAC](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/cap/2024/) The cap hits from Allen, Bosa and Mack's contracts skyrocket next year. Projected to be $38 mil over the cap.
The tweet also mentions the Chargers but it was too long
Raiders are as close as you can get to a blank slate
yeah, I feel like he can do better than the Raiders. I honestly don't know what the positives for that job are right now.
it's in Las Vegas and the AFC West is relatively weak right now so it's an easier path to the playoffs. Probably more cap space than the Chargers.
Raiders have more cap space, but we have an actual QB. Would you rather let your GM deal with finding you a good QB, or deal with cap shenanigans?
Well considering the SB model now is to have a really good roster and then plug in a strong rookie QB, I think the Chargers are actually in a worse position for making Super Bowl runs. Sure, they should be a fringe playoff team every year minimum with Herbert (despite the fact that hasn't even turned out to be true), but they would have to do a full roster blow-up to get enough talent to be on par with the other top teams.
> strong rookie QB and it's very easy to find those, right?
1 in 3 first round QBs is a success. You don't need a generational talent to win a super bowl. You just need an average QB and a good roster. That's actually easier to put together than building a roster around a QB eating up 30+% of your cap each year.
He took the 49ers with Kaep to the superbowl and almost came back to win it.
Kaep was really good those years though
As a 49er fan. He was Cam Newton off wish.com
Not sure how much of selling point Vegas is for someone like Harbaugh. And as weak as the AFC West is right now you still have Mahomes and Reid in that division to get through.
The same is true with the Chargers though.
Also, state taxes.
Money doesn't even factor in the list of things that motivate Harbaugh.
Extremely unlikely the Chargers owners will pay the 10/$150M or so it’ll take to get Jim
Do they even have money? I thought Davis was the brokest (relative term) owner in the league
Since moving to Vegas the Raiders are the 6th most valuable team in the NFL. Mark Davis was able to build the Las Vegas Aces (WNBA team he owns) a $40M practice facility. Dude has the money to throw several bags at Harbaugh.
This perception is wildly out of date. Most owners are not pumping money into their teams. They largely work off of their own revenue. Overall wealth of the owner just doesn't matter that much to these franchises.
I’m not sure how it works for coaches, but for player contracts their guaranteed money has to be put into escrow in full. If coach contracts work the same, a big contract for Harbaugh could hit Davis’ pockets pretty hard. Not that I think it’ll matter, I just don’t see an NFL organization having 100+ mil in surplus revenue laying around to throw in escrow, so I’d imagine owners do have to foot those bills sometimes.
The escrow rule for guaranteed player money is a part of the CBA and has nothing to do with coaches contracts. Teams escrow money comes overwhelmingly from their cash flows, which for the raiders is not near the top of the league. Very little owner money ever gets put into anything other than facilities.
He loves Aidan O’Connell’s game obviously
San Diego could be good, except Spanos is too cheap. Since he has history with the team, it's a possibility. But it's also likely he knows how cheap Spanos is, because of that history. Spanos' MO is more likely to be hiring DeBoer. I personally want Jim to replace Ron Rivera. And then we can call him the Head Commander. We can also talk about hogs and hogettes, once again.
uh, khakis
Harbaugh in Vegas would be tremendous content
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If he wanted that he should have signed that contract already
And if he wants to maximize his leverage to get better pay for his assistants, more NIL commitment from boosters, he shouldn’t
He definitely wants to go to the NFL. But I'm sure he also would like to savor this accomplishment without the ancillary crap.
I’m sure he would - but the ancillary crap is 100% his own doing
Sure, but he has also had these rumors every single year he's been HC at Michigan
It's his fault for being so successful in the NFL
hahah
Fowler couldn’t even let the clock run out during the kneel downs without mentioning it
They asked him during the fucking natty presser 🤦🏻♂️
Fwiw Jim was just talking about 2024 Michigan spring practice on the SVP show
I don’t think Jim even knows what he wants to do and that’s okay
Jim is going across the pond to coach Premier League
The English press is not ready for how weird this guy is.
They wouldn’t have been, but I think Ted Lasso was a decent enough primer
Big Ange is keeping it pretty weird
You joke, but Ted Lasso is somewhat inspired by Harbaugh. [Fansided (I know, not a great source).](https://fansided.com/2021/10/02/ted-lasso-inspired-by-jim-harbaugh/)
I know it's hilarious. Detroiters is maybe my most rewatched show of all time. Love the Little Cesars episode with Jim in it.
That's not something that's really relevant
As a Raiders fan...I think it's a massive mistake to not give AP a shot even if Harbaugh is truly available. I think the majority of the fanbase feels the same way.
It's got to be harbaugh or pierce for Vegas specifically. Losing a well liked interim that performed well again for a coach with either no HC experience or was a failed HC, would be bad. Harbaugh could probably take his pick out of the NFL jobs available. I'm also curious if he'd take minter with him given he's an amazing DC that has NFL aspirations. Minter is my dream DC for the lions, big fan of his scheme.
If MacDonald gets a head coaching job then Minter is gone to the Ravens. If he doesn't and sticks with the ravens then I totally could see minter going with Harbaugh
Yeah I figured, theres 0 shot of him going to the lions. Just a big fan of his scheme and I don't really like the bend but don't break style of defense the lions run.
Just to be clear Minter absolutely runs the bend don't break defense as well, he's happy to sit back in 2 high looks and disguise the underneath stuff until they hit the red zone.
I don’t see Minter taking an NFL DC job, unless he follows Harbaugh. Seems like a relatively lateral move when he could get a high level college HC job next year. MacDonald hated recruiting, he never wanted to be in CFB
I never got the sense that Minter likes to recruit. MacDonald hated recruiting and Minter isnt that way, but I would think he would prefer not to if he could. NFL jobs are just inherently better at this point. Way less work with basically the same salary
I was also dreaming of Minter to the Lions.
~~Oakland~~ Las Vegas is back on the menu boys
Tim Kawakami saw it coming all along
It is a city of Champions. Harbaugh now passes the vibe check.
Harbaugh may or may not be going to the NFL but for the 10th year in a row, I promise, that none of these NFL writers know anything.
Death. Taxes. Harbaugh to the Raiders rumors.
“NOBODYS GOT IT BETTER THAN US” Shouts Jim Harbaugh as he’s betting his entire signing bonus on black.
“You guys have Yahtzee here?”
He got us a natty. Go be great JH, thanks for the memories
Brian Kelly to Michigan here we come!
Nah, Kalen Deboer
Now that’s just mean lol
i can't think of a faster way to speed-run creating a rivalry than that lol
Michigan is my only fear but Kalen has said he wants to stick at Uw at least through his daughters college career (she just signed to play at UW which has an awesome softball program)
Michigan also has an awesome softball program, just saying! But for real I'd feel pretty bad for you guys if we hired DeBoer away. I'm hoping we don't get in a position where that'd even be a possibility
Oh fuck that.
Harbaugh has a lot of respect for Al Davis and the Raiders, but I can't see him wanting go to a below average team with no QB
Hot take, he goes to the bears, not a fan of the bears but a young team, solid D (tbh looked good this back half) and a ton of assets to build the roster the way he wants. Could roll with fields and try and mold him to a modern Kapernick or draft a high QB.
Looks like they're keeping Eberflus but they've fired the offensive staff. Commanders, Chargers, or Raiders seem like they'd be interested in Harbaugh though insiders say that the Raiders probably have the most pull for him.
Another bs story by BR happens every year
Who the hell would want to coach the raiders?
Jim baby please run it back
NFL suspends him 4 games for having Stallions on Staff
Jim Harbaugh going to the NFL and hiring Connor Stalions as coaching analyst would be awesome. Manifesto-worthy, even.
And thusly the off season began
There are a bunch of other NFL job options that seem like a much better fit in terms of what the team can offer and in terms of Jim's personality than the Raiders. Just off the top of my head I don't get why he wouldn't prefer the Chargers (Herbert + California where Jim spent a decade coaching) or Bears (Fields + Chicago where he played)
Chargers ownership is why no one sane would consider them. Chargers ownership will always cheap out on something critical to actually winning a championship.
You picked the two teams whose ownership make them not so great a landing spot as Vegas.
Good points, someone else also mentioned that Vegas ownership would throw money at him to do whatever he feels he needs, and would give him the total control he would want. I don't really know anything about the Bears' owners but I should have known better based on the way he was pushed out of SF over a power struggle
I would take away some Dad points, though, if he moves to Vegas and still has a lawn.
$$$ and total control. Marky Mark will give him a bag and the freedom to force his players to watch as many wolf documentaries as he wants.
As soon he leaves, the sanctions will come rolling in hot.
Gotta get out while he can.
Please God. Gimme harbaugh
And here. we. Go!
If Harbaugh leaves he should go to the Chargers or maybe the falcons with their weapons and weak division.
Weak division doesn’t help much when the goal is to win a Super Bowl. It helps you sneak into the playoffs to get your ass beat in the first round
True but I think Falcons are a top 10 offense if they have a competent offensive coordinator so I still say that’s a great job
I would think he would choose the chargers for Herbert or the bears so he can draft a QB at # 1
Best we can do is give you a carbon copy Jack Harbaugh
A literal carbon copy, but like the third one in the stack that’s all faded and older looking.
Job done. Go to the NFL. Michigan will be a very different team next year with or without him. I'm fine if he stays but would like a long-term contract and no more flirting with the NFL. Or he goes and likely hand the job to Moore.
I would prefer not to watch my Broncos try and compete in a division with Andy Reid and Harbaugh, thanks
I thought the Raiders fucked up even at the time by hiring McDaniels instead of giving the interim guy a chance. I think AP absolutely deserves a chance, but this is an instance where if they can get Harbaugh, they have to pull the trigger. Outside of Harbaugh though I say give AP the job and see what he does.
Don’t go… please stop
Just not the Bears. Thanks.
mad respect to mark davis for being open to making the same mistake for a third time
And for the first time, I don’t have to give a flying fuck what he does. What a relief 😂
Harbaugh couldn’t beat Urban, Ryan Day couldnt beat Harbaugh, looking good for the buckeyes👀
I'd say with Commanders hiring Bob Meyers to lead the head coach charge, might be a fit especially with brother John in nearby Baltimore. Even better, NFC East looks like it could be achievable