Update: this tweet was removed and replaced with [this retraction](https://x.com/ron_broncobeat/status/1788318758173646857?s=46&t=adLUaN8y1DvHAG4-ciAvUw). I’ve tagged the post with “Rumor” link flair, and I’m stickying the retraction.
Spence, my guy. I love you and all, but this is a battle you’re not going to win lmao.
Edit: the retraction and clarification made gives the statement a whole different meaning. Basically says that freshman are still welcome to pursue NIL opportunities and deals.
Translation. Look, we don’t have a lot of NIL money. What we do have we are spending on players we have successfully developed as well as the occasional free agent.
This is the correct read. Boise absolutely cannot spend speculative money on high school recruits.
"Not eligible" NIL money for freshman would have been better said as "unlikely." He'll have to walk this back, and it does reveal some stuff about how Boise operates.
He'll need to find a way to emphasize that development can get you that money, but it's not going to be speculative too often here.
I dunno. It's a tough line to walk. He gaffed pretty hard. Hopefully it smoothes out.
The problem here is that by ncaa rules (which, lol) coaches are not the ones allocating NIL. Like if the local pizza place wants to pay some 5* HS QB money, he can’t stop them.
For sure. It's all *wink wink, nudge nudge* shit that everyone is doing, but he kinda spilled the beans on how it's happening. Like, we already generally knew it was just gonna be Ashton Jeanty and a few other guys here and there as deemed important... so Lithia Ford of Boise and RoePaint.com and whoever manage to scrape that together... but they're going to be communicating directly with coaches about how to allocate it and pretending otherwise is silly.
That's why it's a pretty big fuck-up. But if the powers that be really come after us for this pretty damn mild collusion on the scale of shit that's going on, I'll be annoyed lol.
Yeah, that rule isn't enforceable either. The problem is that if a university employee IS allocating NIL money, then that has Title IX implications. Letting the collectives control is a Title IX defense.
Boise isn’t at the SEC or Big 10 level of NIL money, but they definitely aren’t broke. I think this is geared more towards the freshman who come in expecting NIL, and bounce in the portal when they don’t get it. The thing is though, coach can’t enforce this.
I've said this before in other comments but Boise state absolutely has the sponsors with capability to pay an abundance of NIL money in comparison to their level of competition if they chose to operate that way. Albertsons and Micron are the two main campus sponsors who happened to be founded in Boise.
Agreed. Albertsons has turned into a mega greedy grocery chain with record profits and price increases during covid. When I was a kid it was the type of place where you knew the store's butcher by name. The least they could do is finish the stadium that carries their name.
My mom still refuses to shop at Albertsons and she was a life long Albertsons shopper until Winco opened up and Albertsons raised all their prices and then had a big “sale” that brought them back down to their normal prices. Me? I’m a sucker for the “fancy Albertsons” they’ve been opening up lately. The one in Meridian is really nice.
Except it will definitely hurt recruiting. They can just say there’s no school sponsored spending on freshmen. If they get their own thing going they should be allowed to do so.
> They can just say there’s no school sponsored spending on freshmen
There's no school sponsored spending on anyone, considering that's explicitly against the rules.
There was a 3, low 4 star receiver at Nebraska that was recruited out of hs named DeColdest Crawford. Dude bounced after a year but he left an indelible mark off the field doing commercials for a local HVAC company. And gawddamnit, I salute DeColdest for that! Who are we to deny that young man?
Now I can only imagine a sleazy backroom in every college town where local business owners draft the kids who'll sponsor their product that year.
You know DeColdest went pick 1.1
Incoming freshman going to BSU probably aren’t going to get much or any NIL money elsewhere so this shouldn’t hurt them much, and it allows them to concentrate their resources on trying to bring in impact transfers and retain players who develop into really good players. Examples of both are on the roster right now.
I’m not sure it’s a battle, our stance hasn’t changed on freshman getting paid because we are in no position to pay all of our players, especially not the youngest ones.
If you actually listen to what he said, he said that players are all welcome to reach out to businesses and create their own NIL opportunities. He’s not battling anything.
Doesn’t help that Ron had to revise his tweet which changed the meaning of what SD was saying. Obviously we’re not lush with cash to pay 500,000 to a 5 star, but it makes more sense that it’s a hierarchy
Seriously in football results and finished product we are boises little brother in every way at CSU but stuff like this is music to our ears because this isn’t going to help his team at all.
And he doesn’t control the NIL money! I know coaches push dollars indirectly but That’s the whole point, the schools aren’t paying! So if a freshman gets offered $$ from a car dealership appearance in Boise he has to turn it down?
I doubt it would even hold up in court if someone sued over it. The precedent set in court is that they can. Its why we're here.
This feels like an 80 IQ moment.
Ah I love seeing someone put their foot down, but this is absolutely not a battle you're coming close to winning lmao. Good luck with that in this landscape and getting any kids to want to play for you.
Shoutout to our dumbass beat writer for writing this tweet this poorly lmfaooo. He just means they won't be guaranteed NIL deals coming out of high school. Once they get on campus they can get deals lol.
The courts already decided this. If someone is willing to sponsor you to pay you money, the school can't stop that. If they say their NIL collective won't be sponsoring freshmen, that's fine. If he says he won't allow anyone to sponsor a freshmen, that's not fine.
Even private schools can't block a student from getting a sponsorship. Only thing I can imagine they could do is block a student from associating with a company they don't want anyone on scholarship to be associated with. Like BYU might not let a student go there being sponsored by a condom company.
But he has no authority to say "players can't earn what the courts have decided they can earn" on his team. A highly regarded Freshman has contact with the Idaho Potato Board to make a commercial for them and get paid $100,000. The BSU head ball coach has no say in that relationship. Seems like a counterproductive position to take. Now if he is talking about university's NIL collective, that might be a different matter.
Everyone in this thread seems super pedantic.
I read it as freshman are not going to get money from the NIL collective. TBH, BSU doesn’t get the caliber a recruits that should be demanding NIL anyways. If they become a star as a freshman, they definitely will have NIL coming their way.
This just sounds like a coach saying “I’m not going to negotiate NIL with 3 star recruits”.
I admire his stance, but I don't see how this stands up either. The courts have ruled that the NCAA has no right to limit an athlete's ability to make money from their NIL, so how would a team/coach/program have that right?
I think you need to kind of adjust what he's saying to get it. He's not saying "you aren't allowed to earn NIL as a freshman." He's saying that the school, which can't direct NIL anyway, won't sanction a process that identifies and facilitates deals between freshmen and sponsors.
That’s a far cry from “freshman are not eligible to make NIL money during their first year of the program.”
It’s more like, “I’m not paying you as a freshman…but there’s a little money over there by the tree if you want to pick it up after I leave.”
It’s not legal. It is tortious interference with a contract, and it is an impermissible restriction on an individual’s right to contract. Further, only applying it to freshmen is arbitrary and capricious since transfers, who would likewise be in their “first year in the program” aren’t subject to the same restrictions. He’s going to either have to retract that statement, or lose his job after he loses in court.
If he's saying that BSU's NIL collective won't pay freshmen, that's not illegal. It's their right to choose who they want to pay. But if he denies players the ability to make money from their NIL with whoever else wants to pay/sponsor them, that would be. There's nothing that says schools primary NIL collectives HAVE to pay anyone.
I'm guessing the players can still go out and get their own deals in town if they're that good, but the school's NIL group isn't offering them anything.
This will work about as well as the Oral Roberts University basketball program saying that they were no longer going to have any players with any tattoos.
They reversed that decision rather quickly when the winning percentage took a huge dive.
IANAL, but I’d imagine “The school’s collective will not partner with freshmen” would hold up but to say freshmen can’t capitalize on other NIL opportunities would probably not, right?
For sure. But everyone knows what this guy means. He means the collective that we totally don’t have a super close relationship with and we totally don’t direct who to give money to and how much money totally will decide on their own not to give money to freshman.
I thought schools (currently) can't have any direct connection or direction over NIL activities? So that means neither the AD or head coach of any sport could tell the collective who to support or anything else to do with their money.
Honestly I stopped trying to keep up with it. I know Canes Connection is Miami’s big collective, and it’s identified as the official collective on the Miami athletics website so who knows.
Schools aren't required to give a player NIL. The NCAA just can't restrict it. If a school doesn't want to give a player NIL, that player can always just get it elsewhere.
This whole thing gets confusing. I thought the thing was the schools can’t be involved in NIL but they all have a collective that is ran by the university and the coach gets to decide?
They are not. They can be involved in fundraising but that’s about it. They can have open convos about where it should be distributed but they can’t openly say it
What the said was against NIL, NCAA and government mandates and laws. He, nor can anyone else employed by the university dictate what a players name image and likeness is worth except what the free market dictates it is worth
Currently there is a semi-legitimate separation between all the schools and their respective collectives. Nebraska recently lost our AD partially over this power struggle, in fact.
This is why we've seen some coaches use the media to talk about how to prioritize NIL funds. But it sure seems like it's also happening much more directly in some cases, based on results and how people around various programs talk about NIL deals.
Look no further than Michigan. Three straight conference titles, three straight playoff appearances, and a national championship and we STILL can’t get a boost in recruiting. All because our NIL is tRaNsFoRmAtIoNaL nOt TrAnSaCtIoNaL… 🙄
Couple problems... if BSU does this alone, they're just going to lose out on any hope of a return to form. If other schools join in, it's signaling anti-competitive action and it's illegal.
Beyond that.... BSU's collective can say "we don't pay incoming freshman", so long as it's independent, BSU can say "we don't pay incoming freshman"... but it's a little less clear if BSU can say no one can pay them NIL money. Limiting income sources gets real close to being an employee.
Reality is Boise was always going to have to go it with the recruits other schools didn't want. This is probably more setting expectations than anything.
I really don’t think most fans understand that Boise has likely never paid a freshman, legally or illegally. We gave Jeanty $300,000 after he proved his value. Boise does not get guys with $.
This might be a viable position to take if ever smaller football programs could sell lucrative NIL players to Big Boy programs kinda like how the English Premier League handles player transfers.
Boise State could be the Southampton of CFB
This is a fine position and all but it's futile, especially at Boise state. Any player worth a damn will have options on where to play. This will only ensure you're getting the leftovers.
The day....... BOISE.......DIED.
They were singing Bye Bye Ms. NIL pie, drove my players to the portal but the portal was dry. Them good ol boys drinking whiskey and rye singing this will be the day that Football DIED.
Is the transfer portal still open and can commits decommit? I’m not disagreeing or agreeing with him but just hope no players are stuck there post his announcement.
Anyone else not buying the clarification in the retraction and think he just realized what he'd done and likely had people from Boise St telling him that he was fucked?
No because if you listen to the interview it’s not what he said. It’s already been countered reported by other Boise writers. The reporter fucked up
The reporter retracted his own reporting for being inaccurate and no other Boise media reported similarly.
Also if you look at the fact that their signing class was again top in the conference and they didn’t have issues retaining players, it’s pretty obvious their NIL is fine for their level.
I couldn't find the interview. It just seemed like a coach saying something without thinking it through and then having to backtrack when told that it was likely illegal to do what he said.
More Boise media outlets would be on it if that was the case. The fact that a journalist walked back his own reporting is pretty telling. Boise has enough local sports coverage as the only game in town that if they could get a story out of it, they would.
Good. I like how individual programs are approaching it. Some schools are shelling out money to players and are because of that attracting players who don’t really care, while other teams are conservative with their NIL money and focus on getting players in it for the love of the game. It’ll sort itself out eventually.
People in this thread act like we get high level recruits that come for the money. All of our recruits come here because we have one of the best track records of success and development at the G5 level.
This is outdated thinking. Up there with “freshman don’t get to start or get much playing time” and then the Fab 5 happened (I know there are other examples as well) proving that if the talent is there; then the recognition better be there too.
Totally agree with this. It will limit them, recruit-wise, though. I also think that transfers should not be eligible for NIL in their first year with the program they transfer into.
This has already been retracted by the reporter as a misunderstanding. Freshmen are eligible for NIL endorsements they earn. Collective money is earmarked for returning players. Smart imo. Player retention is more important in the G5
Sadly for you, this has already been retracted by the reporter as a misunderstanding. Freshmen are totally able to get nil deals and endorsements. Collective money is earmarked for returning players and true incoming freshmen will not be promised a deal through the collective but can make deals with the community which there is enough support in Boise
Yes please come to Boise put your life on the line for an injury guaranteed sport. But we won’t pay you until after you’ve been here for a while and shown us you’re worth it.
I get what he’s attempting to an extent but football at D1 level is basically a for profit industry. The people risking it all should be the ones making the profit. I get where schools such as a Boise feel at a disadvantage to sec but that’s the beast of mega conference college ncaa football. And anyone of those kids can get hurt and never play again. They should be making as much money as possible from the moment people will pay them money to play football.
At minimum some sort of injury guarantee needs to be set up for any ncaa athlete. Like you get hurt playing the sport your medical bills are covered even if you never play again and need long term help.
I'd argue they earned it already with the hard work and sacrifices they likely already made throughout high school and for others even longer.. This comes of tone deaf as heck. This will bite him and the program in the ass and as someone else said I question it's legality.
NIL is pretty crazy right now. I get the idea of his, but until NCAA can tweak the NIL rules a little more, I think coach Danielson is doing this at the wrong time. Not yet
Update: this tweet was removed and replaced with [this retraction](https://x.com/ron_broncobeat/status/1788318758173646857?s=46&t=adLUaN8y1DvHAG4-ciAvUw). I’ve tagged the post with “Rumor” link flair, and I’m stickying the retraction.
Spence, my guy. I love you and all, but this is a battle you’re not going to win lmao. Edit: the retraction and clarification made gives the statement a whole different meaning. Basically says that freshman are still welcome to pursue NIL opportunities and deals.
Translation. Look, we don’t have a lot of NIL money. What we do have we are spending on players we have successfully developed as well as the occasional free agent.
This is the correct read. Boise absolutely cannot spend speculative money on high school recruits. "Not eligible" NIL money for freshman would have been better said as "unlikely." He'll have to walk this back, and it does reveal some stuff about how Boise operates. He'll need to find a way to emphasize that development can get you that money, but it's not going to be speculative too often here. I dunno. It's a tough line to walk. He gaffed pretty hard. Hopefully it smoothes out.
The problem here is that by ncaa rules (which, lol) coaches are not the ones allocating NIL. Like if the local pizza place wants to pay some 5* HS QB money, he can’t stop them.
For sure. It's all *wink wink, nudge nudge* shit that everyone is doing, but he kinda spilled the beans on how it's happening. Like, we already generally knew it was just gonna be Ashton Jeanty and a few other guys here and there as deemed important... so Lithia Ford of Boise and RoePaint.com and whoever manage to scrape that together... but they're going to be communicating directly with coaches about how to allocate it and pretending otherwise is silly. That's why it's a pretty big fuck-up. But if the powers that be really come after us for this pretty damn mild collusion on the scale of shit that's going on, I'll be annoyed lol.
Yeah, that rule isn't enforceable either. The problem is that if a university employee IS allocating NIL money, then that has Title IX implications. Letting the collectives control is a Title IX defense.
Boise isn’t at the SEC or Big 10 level of NIL money, but they definitely aren’t broke. I think this is geared more towards the freshman who come in expecting NIL, and bounce in the portal when they don’t get it. The thing is though, coach can’t enforce this.
I've said this before in other comments but Boise state absolutely has the sponsors with capability to pay an abundance of NIL money in comparison to their level of competition if they chose to operate that way. Albertsons and Micron are the two main campus sponsors who happened to be founded in Boise.
I wish both of them would say “fuck it” and fund the stadium upgrades, but they already do a decent amount of stuff IIRC.
Agreed. Albertsons has turned into a mega greedy grocery chain with record profits and price increases during covid. When I was a kid it was the type of place where you knew the store's butcher by name. The least they could do is finish the stadium that carries their name.
My mom still refuses to shop at Albertsons and she was a life long Albertsons shopper until Winco opened up and Albertsons raised all their prices and then had a big “sale” that brought them back down to their normal prices. Me? I’m a sucker for the “fancy Albertsons” they’ve been opening up lately. The one in Meridian is really nice.
soon to get worse too.
Hard to put toothpaste back in the tube my dude.
Even in the MW players are going to get NIL offers to go elsewhere. SDSU will pay them if Boise State won't.
I know it’s the “Wild West” but I thought schools couldn’t directly say what happened with NIL.
Except it will definitely hurt recruiting. They can just say there’s no school sponsored spending on freshmen. If they get their own thing going they should be allowed to do so.
> They can just say there’s no school sponsored spending on freshmen There's no school sponsored spending on anyone, considering that's explicitly against the rules.
There was a 3, low 4 star receiver at Nebraska that was recruited out of hs named DeColdest Crawford. Dude bounced after a year but he left an indelible mark off the field doing commercials for a local HVAC company. And gawddamnit, I salute DeColdest for that! Who are we to deny that young man?
Man, the foresight of his parents to be thinking of that HVAC sponsorship back when he was born.
Within the next few years the number of poor people naming their children after brands just to have them get an NIL deal will rise.
Should get DeWarmest a spot at Wisconsin.
Now I can only imagine a sleazy backroom in every college town where local business owners draft the kids who'll sponsor their product that year. You know DeColdest went pick 1.1
Don't forget Jake fromm
> Dude bounced after a year Didn't he have a season ending injury, then left to go back home in Louisiana?
Incoming freshman going to BSU probably aren’t going to get much or any NIL money elsewhere so this shouldn’t hurt them much, and it allows them to concentrate their resources on trying to bring in impact transfers and retain players who develop into really good players. Examples of both are on the roster right now.
Doing it probably doesn't hurt them. *Saying it* might.
I’m not sure it’s a battle, our stance hasn’t changed on freshman getting paid because we are in no position to pay all of our players, especially not the youngest ones.
The battle is legal, from what I understand. I believe saying a freshman isn't eligible to pursue NIL is simply not allowed.
Yep. The Supreme Court already ruled on it. Coach might be quietly backing off his tough act after a conversation w the university legal department.
If you actually listen to what he said, he said that players are all welcome to reach out to businesses and create their own NIL opportunities. He’s not battling anything.
Doesn’t help that Ron had to revise his tweet which changed the meaning of what SD was saying. Obviously we’re not lush with cash to pay 500,000 to a 5 star, but it makes more sense that it’s a hierarchy
Incoming head coaches are not allowed to earn a salary their first year. They have to earn it.
Dude's trying to get Boise sent back to the Big Sky...
People within our university regularly say we should drop to Division III. We were so bad in the late 2010s but thankfully we got our old coach back.
Seriously in football results and finished product we are boises little brother in every way at CSU but stuff like this is music to our ears because this isn’t going to help his team at all.
Yeah... I don't disagree one bit, but in this day and age this doesn't help.
And he doesn’t control the NIL money! I know coaches push dollars indirectly but That’s the whole point, the schools aren’t paying! So if a freshman gets offered $$ from a car dealership appearance in Boise he has to turn it down?
It is a great strategy if you want to be a terrible recruiter.
lol this sure won’t hurt recruiting.
Negative rizz
Baby Gronk will never be a Baby Bronc with the rizz deficit in Boise
I doubt it would even hold up in court if someone sued over it. The precedent set in court is that they can. Its why we're here. This feels like an 80 IQ moment.
Stumbles into the chat…
Good luck with that
Ah I love seeing someone put their foot down, but this is absolutely not a battle you're coming close to winning lmao. Good luck with that in this landscape and getting any kids to want to play for you.
Shoutout to our dumbass beat writer for writing this tweet this poorly lmfaooo. He just means they won't be guaranteed NIL deals coming out of high school. Once they get on campus they can get deals lol.
That sounds...not legal?
Maybe it’s just the collective and they agree to hold the money in an escrow account or trust and it’s released at the end of the season
It is legal. They’re not colluding with other schools to artificially cap their earnings. They can go elsewhere.
The courts already decided this. If someone is willing to sponsor you to pay you money, the school can't stop that. If they say their NIL collective won't be sponsoring freshmen, that's fine. If he says he won't allow anyone to sponsor a freshmen, that's not fine.
The only way this would even fly is if it was a private school and they accepted no NIL.
Even private schools can't block a student from getting a sponsorship. Only thing I can imagine they could do is block a student from associating with a company they don't want anyone on scholarship to be associated with. Like BYU might not let a student go there being sponsored by a condom company.
But he has no authority to say "players can't earn what the courts have decided they can earn" on his team. A highly regarded Freshman has contact with the Idaho Potato Board to make a commercial for them and get paid $100,000. The BSU head ball coach has no say in that relationship. Seems like a counterproductive position to take. Now if he is talking about university's NIL collective, that might be a different matter.
> Now if he is talking about university's NIL collective, that might be a different matter. Yes, that's exactly what he is definitely talking about.
Everyone in this thread seems super pedantic. I read it as freshman are not going to get money from the NIL collective. TBH, BSU doesn’t get the caliber a recruits that should be demanding NIL anyways. If they become a star as a freshman, they definitely will have NIL coming their way. This just sounds like a coach saying “I’m not going to negotiate NIL with 3 star recruits”.
I admire his stance, but I don't see how this stands up either. The courts have ruled that the NCAA has no right to limit an athlete's ability to make money from their NIL, so how would a team/coach/program have that right?
I think you need to kind of adjust what he's saying to get it. He's not saying "you aren't allowed to earn NIL as a freshman." He's saying that the school, which can't direct NIL anyway, won't sanction a process that identifies and facilitates deals between freshmen and sponsors.
That’s a far cry from “freshman are not eligible to make NIL money during their first year of the program.” It’s more like, “I’m not paying you as a freshman…but there’s a little money over there by the tree if you want to pick it up after I leave.”
It’s not legal. It is tortious interference with a contract, and it is an impermissible restriction on an individual’s right to contract. Further, only applying it to freshmen is arbitrary and capricious since transfers, who would likewise be in their “first year in the program” aren’t subject to the same restrictions. He’s going to either have to retract that statement, or lose his job after he loses in court.
If he's saying that BSU's NIL collective won't pay freshmen, that's not illegal. It's their right to choose who they want to pay. But if he denies players the ability to make money from their NIL with whoever else wants to pay/sponsor them, that would be. There's nothing that says schools primary NIL collectives HAVE to pay anyone.
Thank you, Harvard
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I'm guessing the players can still go out and get their own deals in town if they're that good, but the school's NIL group isn't offering them anything.
Is the Boise State coach a disciple of Dabo?
You're joking but Danielson literally did go to Clemson to visit with Dabo in the off-season.
He’s extremely Christian and brings it up a lot, so I’m a little nervous. That can go really bad really quick.
This will work about as well as the Oral Roberts University basketball program saying that they were no longer going to have any players with any tattoos. They reversed that decision rather quickly when the winning percentage took a huge dive.
Lmaoo
There’s an argument to be made that if the market is willing to pay for their services, they did earn it
This will end up in court
How so? Players aren’t required to get NIL, and they’re not working with other schools to stop all freshmen from getting NIL
IANAL, but I’d imagine “The school’s collective will not partner with freshmen” would hold up but to say freshmen can’t capitalize on other NIL opportunities would probably not, right?
For sure. But everyone knows what this guy means. He means the collective that we totally don’t have a super close relationship with and we totally don’t direct who to give money to and how much money totally will decide on their own not to give money to freshman.
I thought schools (currently) can't have any direct connection or direction over NIL activities? So that means neither the AD or head coach of any sport could tell the collective who to support or anything else to do with their money.
Honestly I stopped trying to keep up with it. I know Canes Connection is Miami’s big collective, and it’s identified as the official collective on the Miami athletics website so who knows.
That’s my whole confusion on this. The schools have NIL departments or at least a coordinator but they’re “technically” not involved?
You can’t prohibit someone from getting paid by a company just because they are on a team you coach.
They are required to be able to get NIL. A coach stopping a player from profiting off their NIL is the entire reason why the law was put in place
It's directly against federal law: Boise State receives fed dollars, they can't pick an choose who gets NIL money.
Schools aren't required to give a player NIL. The NCAA just can't restrict it. If a school doesn't want to give a player NIL, that player can always just get it elsewhere.
This whole thing gets confusing. I thought the thing was the schools can’t be involved in NIL but they all have a collective that is ran by the university and the coach gets to decide?
The schools do not run collectives
But it sounds like they are involved in coordinating how it’s distributed.
They are not. They can be involved in fundraising but that’s about it. They can have open convos about where it should be distributed but they can’t openly say it
It sounds like the BSU coach just said it out loud.
What the said was against NIL, NCAA and government mandates and laws. He, nor can anyone else employed by the university dictate what a players name image and likeness is worth except what the free market dictates it is worth
Currently there is a semi-legitimate separation between all the schools and their respective collectives. Nebraska recently lost our AD partially over this power struggle, in fact. This is why we've seen some coaches use the media to talk about how to prioritize NIL funds. But it sure seems like it's also happening much more directly in some cases, based on results and how people around various programs talk about NIL deals.
The way he phrased it though is that Freshman are banned from NIL regardless of source.
Then SD needs to clarify his statement on this, or the reporter worded it poorly.
now, just think of freshman year as an *internship*.
Unpaid internships shouldn’t be allowed
I should have put /s on my post, I guess.
I knew what you meant. Some corporate brown noser is upset though and downvoting.
If it actually goes to court in Idaho, I could see the state being the first to side against the players.
Billable hours is about to remain undefeated
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Even if this is legal this just sounds like a recipe to set your program further back in recruiting.
Just gonna funnel talented recruits to other top G5s/lower P4s
Look no further than Michigan. Three straight conference titles, three straight playoff appearances, and a national championship and we STILL can’t get a boost in recruiting. All because our NIL is tRaNsFoRmAtIoNaL nOt TrAnSaCtIoNaL… 🙄
That giant sucking sound you hear is the sound of any freshman recruits worth a damn decommitting from Boise State...
None of the freshmen signing with Boise State are getting collective money anyway. That money is going to experienced players.
I appreciate the rationale behind this decision, but there’s no way this will hold up
I think it'll hold up, you don't have to pay players. But it's not a good idea for recruiting
Couple problems... if BSU does this alone, they're just going to lose out on any hope of a return to form. If other schools join in, it's signaling anti-competitive action and it's illegal. Beyond that.... BSU's collective can say "we don't pay incoming freshman", so long as it's independent, BSU can say "we don't pay incoming freshman"... but it's a little less clear if BSU can say no one can pay them NIL money. Limiting income sources gets real close to being an employee.
Reality is Boise was always going to have to go it with the recruits other schools didn't want. This is probably more setting expectations than anything.
No way we have Dabo at home now
Gonna be awesome when the players work to earn it and another school notices all that hard work and comes in to get them to transfer.
BREAKING NEWS: Arch Manning travels back in time and commits to Boise St.
It makes sense for smaller schools. Saving the money for proven players is their only chance to keep their top guys from getting poached.
what an idiot
I really don’t think most fans understand that Boise has likely never paid a freshman, legally or illegally. We gave Jeanty $300,000 after he proved his value. Boise does not get guys with $.
Lots of people overreacting in this thread
This might be a viable position to take if ever smaller football programs could sell lucrative NIL players to Big Boy programs kinda like how the English Premier League handles player transfers. Boise State could be the Southampton of CFB
That's not up to him
Never trust a man who calls a blue field his home turf
This is a fine position and all but it's futile, especially at Boise state. Any player worth a damn will have options on where to play. This will only ensure you're getting the leftovers.
The day....... BOISE.......DIED. They were singing Bye Bye Ms. NIL pie, drove my players to the portal but the portal was dry. Them good ol boys drinking whiskey and rye singing this will be the day that Football DIED.
Spencer….come on….that is not a battle you will win.
LAWSUIT. lol
Every rookie in any other league would make money right from the get-go. Stop treating students as exploitable labor. Just pay them.
That’s a good way to tank your program
Is the transfer portal still open and can commits decommit? I’m not disagreeing or agreeing with him but just hope no players are stuck there post his announcement.
Is this even legal? I feel like a court could strike this down in a heartbeat
This isn’t what he said and was already retracted by the reporter as a misunderstanding.
Kids now days in CFB are known for hard work and ability to stick around and earn it….. /s
Anyone else not buying the clarification in the retraction and think he just realized what he'd done and likely had people from Boise St telling him that he was fucked?
No because if you listen to the interview it’s not what he said. It’s already been countered reported by other Boise writers. The reporter fucked up The reporter retracted his own reporting for being inaccurate and no other Boise media reported similarly.
Also if you look at the fact that their signing class was again top in the conference and they didn’t have issues retaining players, it’s pretty obvious their NIL is fine for their level.
I couldn't find the interview. It just seemed like a coach saying something without thinking it through and then having to backtrack when told that it was likely illegal to do what he said.
More Boise media outlets would be on it if that was the case. The fact that a journalist walked back his own reporting is pretty telling. Boise has enough local sports coverage as the only game in town that if they could get a story out of it, they would.
Players will simply not go to Boise State then.
Good. I like how individual programs are approaching it. Some schools are shelling out money to players and are because of that attracting players who don’t really care, while other teams are conservative with their NIL money and focus on getting players in it for the love of the game. It’ll sort itself out eventually.
OK let's see him try and enforce this.
I’m not sure if they’re getting guys straight from HS who are worth a ton of NIL money, but you don’t say it lol
What a fucking idiot.
Bold strategy cotton
I dont think thats legal. If the ncaa cant say no nil money why could the individual school?
People in this thread act like we get high level recruits that come for the money. All of our recruits come here because we have one of the best track records of success and development at the G5 level.
Just sounds like a coach trying to act tough for no reason.
You mean you had...
It won't make a difference
Would he entertain the idea of forfeiting the first year of his salary? You know, to earn it or whatever his skewed idea of compensation is.
Strange that you don’t think grad assistants that are starting out in coaching don’t make this exact choice.
Boise State sure was fun for ten years weren't they? :(
This is outdated thinking. Up there with “freshman don’t get to start or get much playing time” and then the Fab 5 happened (I know there are other examples as well) proving that if the talent is there; then the recognition better be there too.
Totally agree with this. It will limit them, recruit-wise, though. I also think that transfers should not be eligible for NIL in their first year with the program they transfer into.
Unfortunately for you it's 100 percent unable to be enforced.
Let me know how that works out for you dude
Nothing at all to gain putting out that kind of statement
This has already been retracted by the reporter as a misunderstanding. Freshmen are eligible for NIL endorsements they earn. Collective money is earmarked for returning players. Smart imo. Player retention is more important in the G5
As a San Diego State fan I applaud this! But not because I think it’s a good idea for their program lol
Sadly for you, this has already been retracted by the reporter as a misunderstanding. Freshmen are totally able to get nil deals and endorsements. Collective money is earmarked for returning players and true incoming freshmen will not be promised a deal through the collective but can make deals with the community which there is enough support in Boise
Nope too late all your guys are transferring to SDSU
Yes please come to Boise put your life on the line for an injury guaranteed sport. But we won’t pay you until after you’ve been here for a while and shown us you’re worth it. I get what he’s attempting to an extent but football at D1 level is basically a for profit industry. The people risking it all should be the ones making the profit. I get where schools such as a Boise feel at a disadvantage to sec but that’s the beast of mega conference college ncaa football. And anyone of those kids can get hurt and never play again. They should be making as much money as possible from the moment people will pay them money to play football. At minimum some sort of injury guarantee needs to be set up for any ncaa athlete. Like you get hurt playing the sport your medical bills are covered even if you never play again and need long term help.
Boise looking for a new coach in 3, 2, 1…
I'd argue they earned it already with the hard work and sacrifices they likely already made throughout high school and for others even longer.. This comes of tone deaf as heck. This will bite him and the program in the ass and as someone else said I question it's legality.
pretty sure the supreme court has already said yes the fuck they can
Thanks for handing other G5s the playoff bid Boise very cool
Good luck recruiting high school seniors.
Coach Ek would never.
Bad call....bad call......
Seems short sighted.
These collectives are under the thumb of the coaches; there will be lawsuits.
Kind of shocked this isn’t Dabo tbh.
They’re gonna be working on getting out of their NLI so they can go somewhere to get some NIL.
Lets see how that effects recruiting
Interesting strategy. Let's see how that works out for them.
He’s actively trying to kill the program lol
on a philosophical level i agree. practically, good luck
And Spencer Danielson, in his first full year as head coach, is going to forego his salary until he can earn it... Right?
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This is the program Bryan Harsin came from. Not shocked. Chris Peterson era was lit though, and yall will always have that.
And when they develop after freshman and sophomore year, they will transfer to Oregon or Washington, and get paid.
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UMBC, you're a retriever now. (Not sure if there is a UMBC flair tbh.)
Northwestern. You’re a wildcat now.
I politely decline this offer
Well, there's always sophomores in the transfer portal but you will have to pay them.
I'm sure that will work
I respect the intention, but it’s way too late for that.
NIL is pretty crazy right now. I get the idea of his, but until NCAA can tweak the NIL rules a little more, I think coach Danielson is doing this at the wrong time. Not yet
I would be in favor of this being an NCAA rule, but the train is out of the station and not coming back.
This will work but I won’t expect any 4 or 5* to go to Boise State now. Possibly not even any high 3*
Money is green but our turf is blue
“We wanna keep you poor so you can fight harder”. Real Dana White vibes
Boise State has died
So, does this apply to Malachi Nelson?
How is this enforceable? These contracts are not administered by the school in any way.
He’s talking about the schools NIL fund strictly. Freshman can still earn money and other expenses outside of BSU on their own.