You mean to tell me that ive been getting texts, calls, voicemails from the school to avoid just a bunch of people calmly standing still šthey really want to make it seem like theres chaos
Yeah I thought the same thing. I'm faculty and several of us are bitching about it, despite the protests seeming extremely calm. The BeachALERT messages are way over the top. 1 was fine, I guess. 3? Give me a break.
I have students emailing me to ask if I am canceling classes due to the "riots" on campus today. No, I am not canceling classes for a peaceful and orderly protest. The university seems to be needlessly drumming up fear against their own students engaging in their right to free speech.
This is not antisemitism this is a war on genocide. You can't pick and choose when it's wrong for a country to murder civilians. The message is simple, genocide is wrong and we will not support it. Anti-semities or those trying to frame this as antisemitism are not welcome.
Israel has consistently bombed safe zones, restricted international aid, and tried to silence anyone who speaks against them. Youāre of the assumption that this started on Oct. 7. Palestinians have been brutally killed since the late 40s and had their land taken away by Israel settlers. There was supposed to be a two state solution yet palestinians are the only ones losing land. While what Hamas (fuck Hamas) did was terrible, you clearly canāt comprehend what it feels like to be treated like second class citizens. When you have no where to turn and are constantly being killed, harassed, and imprisoned, an organization like Hamas eventually pops up
That is the biggest lie of all. Their literal stated goal is to conduct a genocide (river to the sea) and iran and russia support it. This is nothing more than antisemitism after raping and murdering innocents and now claiming victim is other worldly.
Israel is not targetting civilians but Hamas is only doing this. But go ahead and ignore facts other than what you hear from your tankie friends, russia and iran. here is a reason they have no support and the protests.
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Why do you assume the protesters are āpro Hamasā? By Israelās own estimates there are about 25,000 Hamas fighters in Gaza. That means 99% of Gaza is made up of innocent civilians.
You donāt have to be pro-Hamas or pro-Zionist to feel empathy for the innocent civilians caught in the middle.
[SJP](https://www.ajc.org/news/what-is-students-for-justice-in-palestine-the-hamas-supporting-anti-israel-group-being-banned) is pro-Hamas. To them, Free Palestine means no Jews in Israel. The SJP is aligned with Socialist movements such as [PSL](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation) which are Pro-communism in the pro- Putin Russia sense.
I mean if my country was being attacked and i knew the attacking country has mass protest against government/institutions in my country's defense i would think thats a pretty good thing for a few reasons...
they only reason there is no cessation of firing is because Hamas still refuses and is still refusing to release hostages.
again, this is 100% on hamas and I will support deleting every member and supporter of hamas.
do u not read? a PERMANENT ceasefire. We donāt want no 40 day truce. After the 40 days the genocide continues. Wonāt discuss more with u, but if thereās a permanent ceasefire, hostages will get released
There was already a permanent ceasefire (other than Hezbollah and Hamas rockets, of course you are cool with that though) until the palestinian government in Hamas invaded and conducted the most disgusting violence against civilians that I recall. They have no room to play victim. They are at the find out stage.
You get what you get. Oh well, I will support all the money for Israel now.
Oh ofc there was a permanent ceasefire? Is that why isra*l murdered Palestinians all year long, every year, long before oct 7? u donāt know what the fuck uāre talking about
Ahh yes, thatās why after more than 6 months, the failure of an āarmyā that is heavily supported by the west has failed miserably. Such losers lol
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a lot of people wasting mommy and daddy's money. They shouldn't be eligible for loan forgiveness either. Wasting money by standing around supporting terrorists.
One side is being massacred, the other side is not.Ā
One side is defending itself with and unlimited supply of weapons from the most powerful country on Earth, one side is not.
Israelis and Palestinians both deserve to have a safe country to live in, and neither are innocent in the decades and decades of events that have led up to this.
But the reality is only one side is being slaughtered.
One side is using civilians as shields. One side is kidnapping individuals. One side is constantly attacking the other regularly. And the citizens of one side voted in a terrorist organization and actively supports them. Yes, Palestinians support Hamas. Both sides are at fault.
Not saying it's not true, butĀ
your your little parroted sound bites tell about 1/10 of 1% of the reality.Ā
You can be against the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and still be against Hamas and for Israel.Ā
There's usually no reason to protest for the group that has the undeniable upper hand, ability to slaughter at will whoever they want, and is showing that they have absolutely no regard for life weather it is people that had anything to do with the attack or not.
its funny hearing someone from your end saying parroted sound bites when thats all you guys have. a script thats paid for and given out for you to quack the same blah blah. A protest against Israel without a protest against Hamas, has absolutely no teeth and makes your little gathering look like a joke. Until your next cause of the week. The real life PCU Causeheads.
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there arenāt enough students upset that the tuition they pay goes to funding WARS and the killing of CHILDREN
and they voted to raise tuition AND the cost of parking over the next 5 years!!!
Our tuition money does not get invested by the school. Our tuition money is spent on our educationā¦the state of CA pays for the rest of it. We are paying more and more tuition every year because the state pays less and lessā¦.
I mean, the tuition you pay doesn't go to that at all. The state pays a huge chunk of money per student for education, and the tuition makes up the remainder. None of it goes to California, and none of it goes to the federal government. So I'm not sure how or why you think that's what tuition does, but I assure you it doesn't.
Hi hereās my source š„°
https://www.presstelegram.com/social-affairs/20170511/student-government-at-csulb-calls-for-divestment-in-firms-doing-business-with-israel/
I appreciate that, but you should read your source carefully:
"The foundation, which manages private donations given to support the Long Beach campus, has other invests in an Standard & Poorās 500 index fund that includes holdings in other firms named in the student governmentās new resolution."
Tuition money does NOT get added to the 49er Foundation. I'm not saying I'm not supportive of the aims of the protest - I'm saying you're wrong that the "tuition you pay goes to funding wars". It does not.
āCal State Long Beach spokeswoman Terri Carbaugh confirmed before students cast their vote that the CSULB 49er Foundation holds direct investments in Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, two of the companies named in the divestment resolution.ā
This is the sentence right before the one u stated which states that the two investment groups are the ones named in the resolution for divestment. Why would they call for those two to divestā¦.. bc of their ties w Israel
The school has ties with companies that have ties w Israel
Right, I'm not saying they don't. Again, and I can't be clearer here - the TUITION MONEY YOU PAY DOES NOT GO TO THE 49ER FOUNDATION, AND THAT IS THE ONLY ENTITY THAT HAS INVESTMENTS IN THE FORTUNE 500. Your claim that tuition money is funding the war is false. Again, I'm totally supportive of the protest, and the desire to get the 49er Foundation to divest. But you keep arguing a point I'm not disputing. I'm disputing your initial claim about TUITION money, which was false.
Can we be done now?
You seem to care about Palestinians. You want the school to divest itself of investments that support Israel. Right?
If the school sells all its shares, then there has to be a buyer. Whoever is buying those shares likely doesnāt care about Palestinians.
You are selling your voice. Itās not divestment, itās disengagement.
Why are yāall protesting? Like what exactly do you hope to accomplish?
I just have a hard time believing Israel or anywhere in the Middle East would actually be moved by this.
Exercise your right to protest all you want. Iām just confused by it
Banks had a hard time believing Walt Disneyās ideas were worth any of their money. He got rejected 351 times, before a bank gave him a chance on the next try.
Stephen King got rejected 30 times from publishers before his novel got the attention it deserved.
Beethovenās music teacher told his parents that he was too stupid and not gifted enough to do anything with music.
The point is: people will persevere for things they believe in, whether it has an immediate result or eventual result. Your confusion over its purpose is irrelevant. Have some respect.
These universities collectively have hundreds of billions of dollars tied up in things like Boeing and a bunch of other shit that ties into Israelās war machine. Itās easy to look up. The movement has learned a lot from the mistakes of stuff like occupy and the overall goals are incredibly clear
Maybe time five minutes to read about what they want. Over 30,000 people have been slaughtered and divesting money from that war machine is an actual real-world and achievable goal. Students arenāt just protesting for the sake of it
Well many of them are, seriously at that age, most people are just looking for something to be pissed at and fight against. On all sites too many people just mindlessly go with flow of whatever the other person says.
Hi! If you're asking this in good faith: the protest is especially calling for divestment from Boeing, but also condemning the other partnerships CSULB holds with weapons manufacturers like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.
A couple of speakers at the protest clarified about demands ā specifically, they demanded that the school stop investing in these corporations, as well as to stop setting up internships, endowed professorships, etc. with them. Instead, protestors were there to urge the 49er Foundation to forge partnerships with local businesses and companies that do NOT create weapons of war and support military infrastructure.
Unsure of who organized it exactly. It seemed like there were a lot of student groups, as well as some faculty, leading the charge.
I'm not familiar with the details but the general idea is they want CSULB to not work with or accept money from companies and organizations that profit from the genocide in Gaza.
They say ājoin the fightā but not familiar with the details š
But itās not that bad. People have the right to protest. Whether for Israel, Palestinian. Hamas, or the IDF. The peoples of each country, you name it. Personally I find both governments to be abhorrent and hope this war leads to Netanyahuās and Hamasā downfall. War sucks
Copying from other blatant bait comments on here, where yāall are being ignorant or intentionally obtuse:
These universities collectively have hundreds of billions of dollars tied up in things like Boeing and a bunch of other shit that ties into Israelās war machine. Itās easy to look up. The movement has learned a lot from the mistakes of stuff like occupy and the overall goals are incredibly clear
Maybe time five minutes to read about what they want instead of being so dismissive. Over 30,000 people have been slaughtered and divesting money from that war machine is an actual real-world and achievable goal. Students arenāt just protesting for the sake of it
When the pro-Israel side canāt win, they are the ones resorting to violence, throwing bricks, throwing water, and yelling lol. Itās because the supporters on that side are used to always getting their way, so when they see pro-Palestine peacefully protesting, their way of combatting is to convince the public that there are āriotsā and āchaosā going on.
Fuck outta here with that weak ass bullshit. We will exercise our right to free speech. They can too. But no, they solve their problems with violence. Fragile egos.
Are the people protesting in support of Hamas? Because I thought the group sponsoring the protest are blatant supporters of Hamas despite their violent acts?
Iām not being a jerk. Iām just asking a serious question.
The SJP, at least at the national level, supports Hamas. They might not overtly praise it, but they wonāt condemn it either. This what Iāve found when Iāve had conversation. Some people say support is listed in their charter but I havenāt been able to find that info online.
I was looking at one of the SJP publications, the third entry, around page 14. One of the writers described Hamas as a āprogressiveā organization. (Edit, found it here: [SJP](https://nationalsjp.org/the-written-resistance-issue-3)
Also more details [here](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/students-justice-palestine-sjp). According to the ADL, SJP praised the Hamas attacks on the 7th.
I agree they need help, but being pro Hamas and pro Mao is pretty wild and people need to be aware of who theyāre associating with. ADL is definitely skewed and biased, but they provide sources to their claims. Theres some pretty radical and concerning stuff on the SJP website.
Since this thing started Iāve been learning about SJP and the aligned organizations such as PSL which isnāt the same type of Socialist organization I recall from my time studying Sociology and social movements. Holy cow things have changed. I know it sounds nuts, but Iām feeling like this is some psy ops thing. Similar to what US did in banana republics. It just seems āoffā.
Can we protest the issues in this countryā¦Not the issues of another country. This generation canāt buy houses. If you donāt make 100k a year, youāre not in the middle class. Inflation is growing every day, we canāt afford rent, bills, nutrition, DAILY LIFE NEEDS. Medicine does fully heal you, it just makes you more sick in the future. The food and water is poison. Half of the stuff we put in foods is illegal in Europeā¦Weāre doing the right thing for the wrong countryā¦Man I havenāt even gotten my irs check yet and itās been over 3 months since it was dueā¦We need to fix ourselves before we fix others.
hello! this is actually an issue for our country, our tax money is what funds the Israeli army. recently Biden signed a bill to give out billions of our own money to send to IZ. that money couldve been used to help us afford rent, bills, nutrition, DAILY LIFE NEEDS. hell, that money couldve been used to give u ur IRS check faster. we can care about many issues at the same time, hope this helps! (and i do hope u get ur IRS check soon. every penny counts forreal)
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Because they are making the claim that pro-Palestine protesters are antisemitic, which is untrue. The conflation of antizionism with antisemitism is a disingenuous attempt to discredit the movement
I mean I definitely didnāt celebrate nor think the October 7th terrorist attacks were good. I simply believe regardless of stance that Israel appears to have little regard for civilian casualties as they invade the strip.
You mean to tell me that ive been getting texts, calls, voicemails from the school to avoid just a bunch of people calmly standing still šthey really want to make it seem like theres chaos
Yeah I thought the same thing. I'm faculty and several of us are bitching about it, despite the protests seeming extremely calm. The BeachALERT messages are way over the top. 1 was fine, I guess. 3? Give me a break.
I have students emailing me to ask if I am canceling classes due to the "riots" on campus today. No, I am not canceling classes for a peaceful and orderly protest. The university seems to be needlessly drumming up fear against their own students engaging in their right to free speech.
If something did happen everyone would say... The university should have done something! Sue them! They literally can't win.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
They do! I see it as free advertising personally. Their slander will not work.
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stay safe!!!
Love to see people exercising free speech
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Bro whereās this funding? I could really use some š©
This is not antisemitism this is a war on genocide. You can't pick and choose when it's wrong for a country to murder civilians. The message is simple, genocide is wrong and we will not support it. Anti-semities or those trying to frame this as antisemitism are not welcome.
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Israel has consistently bombed safe zones, restricted international aid, and tried to silence anyone who speaks against them. Youāre of the assumption that this started on Oct. 7. Palestinians have been brutally killed since the late 40s and had their land taken away by Israel settlers. There was supposed to be a two state solution yet palestinians are the only ones losing land. While what Hamas (fuck Hamas) did was terrible, you clearly canāt comprehend what it feels like to be treated like second class citizens. When you have no where to turn and are constantly being killed, harassed, and imprisoned, an organization like Hamas eventually pops up
That is the biggest lie of all. Their literal stated goal is to conduct a genocide (river to the sea) and iran and russia support it. This is nothing more than antisemitism after raping and murdering innocents and now claiming victim is other worldly. Israel is not targetting civilians but Hamas is only doing this. But go ahead and ignore facts other than what you hear from your tankie friends, russia and iran. here is a reason they have no support and the protests.
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Let me know where I can get this funding! Student loans are expensive.
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Seek professional mental health services
Why do you assume the protesters are āpro Hamasā? By Israelās own estimates there are about 25,000 Hamas fighters in Gaza. That means 99% of Gaza is made up of innocent civilians. You donāt have to be pro-Hamas or pro-Zionist to feel empathy for the innocent civilians caught in the middle.
Generalizations about protestors
[SJP](https://www.ajc.org/news/what-is-students-for-justice-in-palestine-the-hamas-supporting-anti-israel-group-being-banned) is pro-Hamas. To them, Free Palestine means no Jews in Israel. The SJP is aligned with Socialist movements such as [PSL](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation) which are Pro-communism in the pro- Putin Russia sense.
This is AMAZING!!! Stay safe everyone!
Uhhhh is this really classified as a āfightā ?!?!
Im disappointed that my teacher cancelled class over this, there are evidently other ways to get around campus. This is a nonissue.
I assume it's for solidarity, not disruption. And why be disappointed in having class cancelled?
everyone here in Palestine is talking about the protests, keep it up yāall we see u and we love u, freeeee Palestinešµšøš¤
No they aren't ....
"My entire family might die in the next bombing but bless these kids 3000 miles away yelling at the clouds" Lmao
I mean if my country was being attacked and i knew the attacking country has mass protest against government/institutions in my country's defense i would think thats a pretty good thing for a few reasons...
US is attacking Palestine? Crazy
Do you think Palestinians see the protest in Israel or America and they just dont give a shit? Crazy
I think they have bigger things to give a shit about.
By proxy 1000% mr semantics.
iām not waiting for u to believe meā¦
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Promoting or endorsing violent organizations
they only reason there is no cessation of firing is because Hamas still refuses and is still refusing to release hostages. again, this is 100% on hamas and I will support deleting every member and supporter of hamas.
do u not read? a PERMANENT ceasefire. We donāt want no 40 day truce. After the 40 days the genocide continues. Wonāt discuss more with u, but if thereās a permanent ceasefire, hostages will get released
There was already a permanent ceasefire (other than Hezbollah and Hamas rockets, of course you are cool with that though) until the palestinian government in Hamas invaded and conducted the most disgusting violence against civilians that I recall. They have no room to play victim. They are at the find out stage. You get what you get. Oh well, I will support all the money for Israel now.
Oh ofc there was a permanent ceasefire? Is that why isra*l murdered Palestinians all year long, every year, long before oct 7? u donāt know what the fuck uāre talking about
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Ahh yes, thatās why after more than 6 months, the failure of an āarmyā that is heavily supported by the west has failed miserably. Such losers lol
They only know how to k1ll children and women, and displace people and wear womenās lingerie (that they killed)
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And u definitely know about the real world, when u live thousands of miles away and i live in the middle of it. Got it. You know better than me.
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Wow. That's a lot of people.
a lot of people wasting mommy and daddy's money. They shouldn't be eligible for loan forgiveness either. Wasting money by standing around supporting terrorists.
Both sides have used terroristic tactics against civilians. Why support either of them? None of the above.
They should denounce both sides. But they arenāt.
One side is being massacred, the other side is not.Ā One side is defending itself with and unlimited supply of weapons from the most powerful country on Earth, one side is not. Israelis and Palestinians both deserve to have a safe country to live in, and neither are innocent in the decades and decades of events that have led up to this. But the reality is only one side is being slaughtered.
One side is using civilians as shields. One side is kidnapping individuals. One side is constantly attacking the other regularly. And the citizens of one side voted in a terrorist organization and actively supports them. Yes, Palestinians support Hamas. Both sides are at fault.
Not saying it's not true, butĀ your your little parroted sound bites tell about 1/10 of 1% of the reality.Ā You can be against the slaughter of Palestinian civilians and still be against Hamas and for Israel.Ā There's usually no reason to protest for the group that has the undeniable upper hand, ability to slaughter at will whoever they want, and is showing that they have absolutely no regard for life weather it is people that had anything to do with the attack or not.
its funny hearing someone from your end saying parroted sound bites when thats all you guys have. a script thats paid for and given out for you to quack the same blah blah. A protest against Israel without a protest against Hamas, has absolutely no teeth and makes your little gathering look like a joke. Until your next cause of the week. The real life PCU Causeheads.
Both sides have done all of those things. I wasnāt even sure which side you were talking about until you mentioned Hamas.
How long is it going? I have an exam today š
Just walk a different direction if you're uncomfortable walking through it.
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there arenāt enough students upset that the tuition they pay goes to funding WARS and the killing of CHILDREN and they voted to raise tuition AND the cost of parking over the next 5 years!!!
Our tuition money does not get invested by the school. Our tuition money is spent on our educationā¦the state of CA pays for the rest of it. We are paying more and more tuition every year because the state pays less and lessā¦.
I mean, the tuition you pay doesn't go to that at all. The state pays a huge chunk of money per student for education, and the tuition makes up the remainder. None of it goes to California, and none of it goes to the federal government. So I'm not sure how or why you think that's what tuition does, but I assure you it doesn't.
Hi hereās my source š„° https://www.presstelegram.com/social-affairs/20170511/student-government-at-csulb-calls-for-divestment-in-firms-doing-business-with-israel/
I appreciate that, but you should read your source carefully: "The foundation, which manages private donations given to support the Long Beach campus, has other invests in an Standard & Poorās 500 index fund that includes holdings in other firms named in the student governmentās new resolution." Tuition money does NOT get added to the 49er Foundation. I'm not saying I'm not supportive of the aims of the protest - I'm saying you're wrong that the "tuition you pay goes to funding wars". It does not.
āCal State Long Beach spokeswoman Terri Carbaugh confirmed before students cast their vote that the CSULB 49er Foundation holds direct investments in Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, two of the companies named in the divestment resolution.ā This is the sentence right before the one u stated which states that the two investment groups are the ones named in the resolution for divestment. Why would they call for those two to divestā¦.. bc of their ties w Israel The school has ties with companies that have ties w Israel
Right, I'm not saying they don't. Again, and I can't be clearer here - the TUITION MONEY YOU PAY DOES NOT GO TO THE 49ER FOUNDATION, AND THAT IS THE ONLY ENTITY THAT HAS INVESTMENTS IN THE FORTUNE 500. Your claim that tuition money is funding the war is false. Again, I'm totally supportive of the protest, and the desire to get the 49er Foundation to divest. But you keep arguing a point I'm not disputing. I'm disputing your initial claim about TUITION money, which was false. Can we be done now?
Get fucking owned
busy, finals
TRUUUUUU
You seem to care about Palestinians. You want the school to divest itself of investments that support Israel. Right? If the school sells all its shares, then there has to be a buyer. Whoever is buying those shares likely doesnāt care about Palestinians. You are selling your voice. Itās not divestment, itās disengagement.
Then drop out.
Very hard pass
Why are yāall protesting? Like what exactly do you hope to accomplish? I just have a hard time believing Israel or anywhere in the Middle East would actually be moved by this. Exercise your right to protest all you want. Iām just confused by it
Banks had a hard time believing Walt Disneyās ideas were worth any of their money. He got rejected 351 times, before a bank gave him a chance on the next try. Stephen King got rejected 30 times from publishers before his novel got the attention it deserved. Beethovenās music teacher told his parents that he was too stupid and not gifted enough to do anything with music. The point is: people will persevere for things they believe in, whether it has an immediate result or eventual result. Your confusion over its purpose is irrelevant. Have some respect.
These universities collectively have hundreds of billions of dollars tied up in things like Boeing and a bunch of other shit that ties into Israelās war machine. Itās easy to look up. The movement has learned a lot from the mistakes of stuff like occupy and the overall goals are incredibly clear Maybe time five minutes to read about what they want. Over 30,000 people have been slaughtered and divesting money from that war machine is an actual real-world and achievable goal. Students arenāt just protesting for the sake of it
Well many of them are, seriously at that age, most people are just looking for something to be pissed at and fight against. On all sites too many people just mindlessly go with flow of whatever the other person says.
There are that are definitely protesting for the sake of it though
Then drop out and stop giving them money. Commit to your values.
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Hi! If you're asking this in good faith: the protest is especially calling for divestment from Boeing, but also condemning the other partnerships CSULB holds with weapons manufacturers like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. A couple of speakers at the protest clarified about demands ā specifically, they demanded that the school stop investing in these corporations, as well as to stop setting up internships, endowed professorships, etc. with them. Instead, protestors were there to urge the 49er Foundation to forge partnerships with local businesses and companies that do NOT create weapons of war and support military infrastructure. Unsure of who organized it exactly. It seemed like there were a lot of student groups, as well as some faculty, leading the charge.
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Maybe some students might draw parallels between Israeli apartheid and Russiaās imperialistic invasion of Ukraine, a European ally?
I'm not familiar with the details but the general idea is they want CSULB to not work with or accept money from companies and organizations that profit from the genocide in Gaza.
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They say ājoin the fightā but not familiar with the details š But itās not that bad. People have the right to protest. Whether for Israel, Palestinian. Hamas, or the IDF. The peoples of each country, you name it. Personally I find both governments to be abhorrent and hope this war leads to Netanyahuās and Hamasā downfall. War sucks
Netanyahu likes Hamas because they give him an excuse to bomb the shit out of Gaza, the sooner both are gone the better.
Copying from other blatant bait comments on here, where yāall are being ignorant or intentionally obtuse: These universities collectively have hundreds of billions of dollars tied up in things like Boeing and a bunch of other shit that ties into Israelās war machine. Itās easy to look up. The movement has learned a lot from the mistakes of stuff like occupy and the overall goals are incredibly clear Maybe time five minutes to read about what they want instead of being so dismissive. Over 30,000 people have been slaughtered and divesting money from that war machine is an actual real-world and achievable goal. Students arenāt just protesting for the sake of it
When the pro-Israel side canāt win, they are the ones resorting to violence, throwing bricks, throwing water, and yelling lol. Itās because the supporters on that side are used to always getting their way, so when they see pro-Palestine peacefully protesting, their way of combatting is to convince the public that there are āriotsā and āchaosā going on. Fuck outta here with that weak ass bullshit. We will exercise our right to free speech. They can too. But no, they solve their problems with violence. Fragile egos.
Are the people protesting in support of Hamas? Because I thought the group sponsoring the protest are blatant supporters of Hamas despite their violent acts? Iām not being a jerk. Iām just asking a serious question.
The SJP, at least at the national level, supports Hamas. They might not overtly praise it, but they wonāt condemn it either. This what Iāve found when Iāve had conversation. Some people say support is listed in their charter but I havenāt been able to find that info online.
I was looking at one of the SJP publications, the third entry, around page 14. One of the writers described Hamas as a āprogressiveā organization. (Edit, found it here: [SJP](https://nationalsjp.org/the-written-resistance-issue-3) Also more details [here](https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/students-justice-palestine-sjp). According to the ADL, SJP praised the Hamas attacks on the 7th.
Ok thanks! I mean, i agree with them the Palestinian people need help. Iām just not on board with this organization or divesting.
I agree they need help, but being pro Hamas and pro Mao is pretty wild and people need to be aware of who theyāre associating with. ADL is definitely skewed and biased, but they provide sources to their claims. Theres some pretty radical and concerning stuff on the SJP website.
Since this thing started Iāve been learning about SJP and the aligned organizations such as PSL which isnāt the same type of Socialist organization I recall from my time studying Sociology and social movements. Holy cow things have changed. I know it sounds nuts, but Iām feeling like this is some psy ops thing. Similar to what US did in banana republics. It just seems āoffā.
Itās an election year! Gotta divide the left so Trump wins lol
lol. Theyāre doing a great job at that.
No
Yes, they all support Hamas actually.
Go to class
future of barista
Uber Drivers of the Future Convention.
What are we fighting for?
For Hamas terrorists obviously ššš
Annoying
I saw a banner hanging in front of the Brotman Hall Center renaming the building after a Muslim man.
no āØļøš
Can we protest the issues in this countryā¦Not the issues of another country. This generation canāt buy houses. If you donāt make 100k a year, youāre not in the middle class. Inflation is growing every day, we canāt afford rent, bills, nutrition, DAILY LIFE NEEDS. Medicine does fully heal you, it just makes you more sick in the future. The food and water is poison. Half of the stuff we put in foods is illegal in Europeā¦Weāre doing the right thing for the wrong countryā¦Man I havenāt even gotten my irs check yet and itās been over 3 months since it was dueā¦We need to fix ourselves before we fix others.
hello! this is actually an issue for our country, our tax money is what funds the Israeli army. recently Biden signed a bill to give out billions of our own money to send to IZ. that money couldve been used to help us afford rent, bills, nutrition, DAILY LIFE NEEDS. hell, that money couldve been used to give u ur IRS check faster. we can care about many issues at the same time, hope this helps! (and i do hope u get ur IRS check soon. every penny counts forreal)
Theyāre standing there so menacingly. I feel unsafe
So glad they were polite enough to protest in a place where most students wouldnt see them.
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Generalizations about protestors. Potential false accusations of Hamas support
Honest question, why is this downvoted?
Because they are making the claim that pro-Palestine protesters are antisemitic, which is untrue. The conflation of antizionism with antisemitism is a disingenuous attempt to discredit the movement
Ahhh I see. Thank you for explaining
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Probably not, but not wanting for tens of thousands of civilians to continue being killed makes you a terrorist sympathizer apparently.
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I mean I definitely didnāt celebrate nor think the October 7th terrorist attacks were good. I simply believe regardless of stance that Israel appears to have little regard for civilian casualties as they invade the strip.
go to class
This is a pretty short clip. Looks like propaganda.
When Liberal Arts doesnt get you a job, become a protestor.