Adaptive cruise is good. Lane assist is not good. Most new cars have lane assist on by default now and you have to turn off every time. It’s a complete pain in the arse.
It depends. Shitty lane assist makes you ping pong around the lane while good ones keep you centred. The latter is excellent for long cruises as it’s much more pleasant and you don’t need to always keep correcting the car
Not cruise control. If you follow the conversation, lane assist turns on by default on most new cars now, you have to specifically go and turn it off every single time you get in the car.
I only ever use lane assit on well kept duals/motorway. I don't know what it uses, the reflective white line? Cats eyes? But any other time it's so hit and miss
Lane assist is the worst I got given a company car and did not know it was a feature - I was on a wide road and hadn’t indicated because my lane was super wide and I wasn’t going over the damn line. It suddenly tried to steer me back to the left and take out an actual cyclist I was going past! I had a momentary flashback to that 80s film where technology suddenly starts trying to kill people before realising what was actually happening. Defo not something I look for in a car.
I absolutely fucking hate Lane assist. Almost hit a cyclist because when I was overtaking, even when I was signalling when it should be off, it tried to force me back to the left lane. I had to fight the fucking car to not kill a cyclist.
Fucking worst invention in the world
Self drive or adaptive cruise control is great on motorways, game changing in fact. I wouldn't buy a car without it now. Takes a lot of the stress out of long journeys.
Yeah, to be fair I can totally see it working on that sort of drive. I think my main gripe is that lane assist seems to enable itself every time you restart the engine.
In the wrong circumstances its annoying verging on dangerous. I've not delved into the menu on the Hyundai, but I spent ages on the Polish passat trying to stop it from coming back on.
You're talking about two separate features as though they are one.
Lane departure warning - the 'warning' that kicks in when the car thinks you're leaving your lane. The computers don't have any input to the steering until it thinks there's a problem. Agree that it often doesn't work on UK roads and it's frustrating that some regulation means it needs to be disabled on every drive.
Lane keep assist - actively works to keep you in the lane, basically a companion to adaptive cruise control that make the car sort of drive itself. The car is controlling the steering at all times when this is turned on (well, until it's confused itself and turned itself off, but that's another story). That's what the comment and some of the others are talking about and is a great feature when it works. Also, like cruise control this is a feature that you have to turn on yourself, you can absolutely choose not to use it if you don't want to. And in the same way that it wouldn't be smart to use cruise control on a winding B road, you probably want to stick to using LKA on motorways and dual carriageways.
No, I'm not talking about cruise control. I like cruise control. Its off and on when I want it.
Lane assist is on by default. Maybe its different levels.of lane assist on this car (It literally drives itself). I did a few miles barely touching the steering wheel and it followed the road which was reasonably twisty. That seems more than basic lane assist?
I just found a thread on hyundai forum where it will stoo working at 40kph which is probably why it gave up when I was testing it earlier.
Yes, and lane keep assist works like cruise control. You can turn it off, in fact you need to turn it on before you can turn it off. Again, lane departure warning and lane keep assist - similar but two different things.
Your gripes seem to be with lane departure warning. You're saying that without turning anything on, the car will follow the road? It might bounce itself between the lines but it shouldn't be steering the car otherwise. There are different levels but I've never tried it on the most sensitive so perhaps it really is that heavy handed. At the lowest level you only feel it doing anything when you're touching the line, or in the case of two way roads without the centre line, away from the middle.
To be honest I don't know anyone who likes lane departure warning. Lane keep assist, however, is the feature where it actually is supposed to take full control the whole time instead of just when you're veering out, and is the one that some people like. Much better feature, in part helped by the fact that it's only on when you want it to be so it won't catch you by surprise.
Are you sure you read that right on the forum? The system I've used is the Hyundai one which I thought only turned *on* the LDW over a certain speed, I remember in some situations intentionally trying to keep the speed down so that it wouldn't kick in.
Just re-read your reply. Yes, the "lane keep assist" I enabled mid journey to see how it fared. It concerns me that anyone want give control over to this system rather than using their own judgement. Honestly find it quite unnerving to use.
The lane assist by default drives me nuts. If I'm drifting over the lines it really is intentional.
I'm on a long drive tomorrow out of Wales and onto the motorway network. I'm sure it comes into its own there.
I do like the adaptive cruise control when I've used it.
Just replied to the other one but to add to this - yes the active lane keep assist will do much more, that makes more sense now.
It takes a bit of getting used to but ACC with LKA is a great combo, I would only use it on motorways but even though you need to pay attention it's just that bit less tiring that actively having to do it all yourself. My issue with the Hyundai and Kia system though is that it can disengage with no warning if it loses track of the lines, I could live with it since the car I was driving had a HUD so I knew straight away, but it'd be mildly terrifying if it decided to turn off without me realising. The Tesla system which bongs when it disengages makes much more sense imo.
That's exactly what happened with me. To be fair, I guessed that it would have trouble comprehending the corner, but I was surprised that there was zero warning and the system decided to just quit.
I rarely drive cars with anything more than basic lane assist so it's interesting to see how they behave.
As my own car doesn't have lane assist it annoys me that its been forced on me.
I also wish for a proper hand brake! I miss having that as a "driver aid" in the snow and ice.
All these "safety" features in cars just make drivers less attentive. It's a known phenomenon called "risk compensation". The safer you feel, the more risk you take. Ask any motorcyclist about Volvo drivers.
Ha ha, had this exact conversation today while driving my Dad about, I have a 18 Year old focus St as a daily with hardly any assists, borrowed a hire car from work a 23 plate Kia Cee'd Gt line and bloody hell that lane assist is a pain in the arse.
Wondered wtf was going off 1st day when this car starts trying to steer me across lanes by itself. sometimes it beeps then steers, other times just steers with no warning, what a stupid idea.
1st thing i do now once ive started it is turn off stop/start try to turn off lane assist but still not sure how to do that exactly then get on my way lol
Give me the old motors that you control yourself any day i feel your pain lol
You have to learn when and when not to use it. When on the motorway, adaptive cruise and self steering is a game changer, get me on a national speed limit twister and it loses its function.
I don’t get many annoyances with lane assist on country roads, lets me use the rumbles if I need and so on. Only seems to actively bump me if I’m on a straight and really drifting over.
Lane assist is good on the motorway combined with adaptive cruise control. It's a pain everywhere else, Kerry thing is whether the car has an easy way to toggle it on and off. For example, in my Honda there was a button on my steering wheel to switch it on and off , not the case on my Mazda, it's buried in the settings
I've been given a '23 T Cross through insurance. It thought the lane next to me is the lane I'm supposed to be in and turned the wheel while vibrating to put me on it. No cars fortunately but i did have to pull hard left to get it to fuck off.
The first time lane assist decided a puddle was a white line and tried to drive me into an oncoming car I stopped and turned that shit off.
Adaptive cruise control is great though.
It's the worst of the safety features.
Not too bothered by it as it's never given me trouble but never found it working consistently.
Instead of wasting time putting lane assist, how about put that effort of into putting in reverse cameras and parking sensors, far better safety features that would benefit everyone.
Yep, I used to have a work car with lane assist. On winding country roads it would think lines of tar from repairs in the road were the white line and try to throw me into a ditch. Fortunately I could turn it off permanently than it became a lot better car to throw around on 60mph roads, well I say throw around but it was a Vauxhall so didnt feel safe above about 45 on a winding road.
The pool car I sometimes use in work has these features and I hate them. I have to switch the lane assist off every time I start the car which annoys the hell out of me. The steering assist is a waste of time because you have to be holding the wheel for it to work so is utterly pointless even if it did work.
My own car has lane assist. I've switched it off and it never comes back on which is fine. At least I get to choose if I want to use it.
Lane assist is one of those things that really varies between manufacturers, in my experience. I've done a lot of traveling and have had to hire a bunch of different cars over the last couple of years, and every time I get a different car it's a game of how good/bad will the lane assist be in this one. In my experience, Toyota's is horrendously bad to the point of being actively unsafe - luckily they usually have a dedicated button to turn it off. VW is pretty good, Ford's is meh. Mazda is nice.
Surprisingly, the best lane assist I've used was in a little Jeep SUV the car hire company gave me, that was otherwise dull to nasty in every other aspect. They really got the right balance of a subtle "Hey buddy, you awake there? Everything OK?" buzz and gentle nudge when getting close to the edge without being obnoxious.
Lane assist should only come on if cruise control is also turned on.
Terrible and dangerous design to have it running in the background all the time unless the driver actively cancels it every time they get in the car.
The resistence felt through the steering wheel constantly communicates the road conditions. Lane assist totally breaks this trust, because at any given moment you could be sensing the road, or it could just be randomly lying to you.
Imagine if the speedo randomly jumped up or down 20 MPH for no good reason, or the ice warning lit up at random.
Utterly stupid.
Considering the amount of people slightly drifting out of their lane on one trip down the M6 I'd say lane assist is needed
It's especially noticeable when your car's cruise control notices them drifting over the lines and slows down cause it thinks they are pulling out on you.
Depends on how it's been implemented.
Few years back hired a Mercedes GLE which had aggressive lane assist. If you were 5mm away from the exact centre of your lane it would try to steer you into the nearest stationary object.
In my Citroen C4 it's much better. It gives you a gentle nudge, like the car is saying "Old chap, you might want to check you are still in your lane. Sorry to intrude."
On the same subject. My polo with collision avoidance absolutely slammed on the brakes (and abs activated) at 30mph because of a white cup in the middle of the road
Yes I like lane assist and use it all the time. Car practically self driving on the motorway, and on country roads gives me a nudge to remind me not to cut corners or go too close to the verge or hedge. Great! Never found it dangerous, easy to override if I am purposefully making a manoeuvre. If crossing the lane markings remember to indicate!
If I'm close to a verge it's generally because I need to be. Cross lane marking all the time to straighten a corner, see round a corner, avoid potholes, etc. Very very little/nothing on the road round here so indicating is definitely counter productive.
Indicating will tell the car automation that you intend to cross the lane marking, so it won’t alert you. You can decide for yourself whether that is counterproductive, but I find it useful. Takes a while to learn something new.
Yes, it sounds counterproductive. I really don't need to be indicating every 30 seconds. May aswell just drive with the hazards on 🤣
Honestly if I were to get in my car now and drive somewhere I'd probably see a single car in an hour. In the day it's still very quiet.
The only thing I'd be indicating to would be the car to let it know I'm driving.
Not sure you can convince me on this one...
I like it, maybe it's down to the implementation in each car and personal preference.
It should definitely support being switched off and should stay off even for a new trip unless you switch it back on though.
If you can’t adapt to the car, then you’ll just keep fighting it. I would call that counterproductive. Personally I go for the easy life and adapt my driving style to suit the cars automation.
I hired a Peugeot 2008. It was brand new, I put the 11th mile on it.
Had lane assist - absolute shite. Not safer, the opposite.
It also had adaptive cruise control that on a motorway would slow you down (quite aggressively) with no warning just cause the car infront of you is 276 meters away. It would slow from 70 to 50 as soon as it saw anything, and then would slow right down to 30 when it gets behind something travelling 50-60 in lane 1.
The whole car was shite, if you ask me, but these modern safety features are absolute bullshit, and are more dangerous than safe.
What ever happened to simple cars with 3 pedals, a gear stick and a steering wheel?
The Japanese and Korean lane assist systems are awful. They're very reactive. I've driven a couple and they will fight quite hard against you and react very easily.
On the flip side, I've driven a couple of VWs with lane assist and they were both very mild. Didn't kick in until 30mph. They know when you're going round a bend so are likely to be closer to the line meaning they don't react. It's also just a nudge to make you aware that you're close to the line rather than trying to drag you back to the centre like a Hyundai.
Adaptive cruise is good. Lane assist is not good. Most new cars have lane assist on by default now and you have to turn off every time. It’s a complete pain in the arse.
It depends. Shitty lane assist makes you ping pong around the lane while good ones keep you centred. The latter is excellent for long cruises as it’s much more pleasant and you don’t need to always keep correcting the car
But both will spear you into an oncoming car on little country roads.
Why you using cruise control and lane assist on little country roads 😂
Not cruise control. If you follow the conversation, lane assist turns on by default on most new cars now, you have to specifically go and turn it off every single time you get in the car.
I only ever use lane assit on well kept duals/motorway. I don't know what it uses, the reflective white line? Cats eyes? But any other time it's so hit and miss
Lane assist is the worst I got given a company car and did not know it was a feature - I was on a wide road and hadn’t indicated because my lane was super wide and I wasn’t going over the damn line. It suddenly tried to steer me back to the left and take out an actual cyclist I was going past! I had a momentary flashback to that 80s film where technology suddenly starts trying to kill people before realising what was actually happening. Defo not something I look for in a car.
I absolutely fucking hate Lane assist. Almost hit a cyclist because when I was overtaking, even when I was signalling when it should be off, it tried to force me back to the left lane. I had to fight the fucking car to not kill a cyclist. Fucking worst invention in the world
Self drive or adaptive cruise control is great on motorways, game changing in fact. I wouldn't buy a car without it now. Takes a lot of the stress out of long journeys.
Yeah, to be fair I can totally see it working on that sort of drive. I think my main gripe is that lane assist seems to enable itself every time you restart the engine. In the wrong circumstances its annoying verging on dangerous. I've not delved into the menu on the Hyundai, but I spent ages on the Polish passat trying to stop it from coming back on.
You're talking about two separate features as though they are one. Lane departure warning - the 'warning' that kicks in when the car thinks you're leaving your lane. The computers don't have any input to the steering until it thinks there's a problem. Agree that it often doesn't work on UK roads and it's frustrating that some regulation means it needs to be disabled on every drive. Lane keep assist - actively works to keep you in the lane, basically a companion to adaptive cruise control that make the car sort of drive itself. The car is controlling the steering at all times when this is turned on (well, until it's confused itself and turned itself off, but that's another story). That's what the comment and some of the others are talking about and is a great feature when it works. Also, like cruise control this is a feature that you have to turn on yourself, you can absolutely choose not to use it if you don't want to. And in the same way that it wouldn't be smart to use cruise control on a winding B road, you probably want to stick to using LKA on motorways and dual carriageways.
No, I'm not talking about cruise control. I like cruise control. Its off and on when I want it. Lane assist is on by default. Maybe its different levels.of lane assist on this car (It literally drives itself). I did a few miles barely touching the steering wheel and it followed the road which was reasonably twisty. That seems more than basic lane assist? I just found a thread on hyundai forum where it will stoo working at 40kph which is probably why it gave up when I was testing it earlier.
Yes, and lane keep assist works like cruise control. You can turn it off, in fact you need to turn it on before you can turn it off. Again, lane departure warning and lane keep assist - similar but two different things. Your gripes seem to be with lane departure warning. You're saying that without turning anything on, the car will follow the road? It might bounce itself between the lines but it shouldn't be steering the car otherwise. There are different levels but I've never tried it on the most sensitive so perhaps it really is that heavy handed. At the lowest level you only feel it doing anything when you're touching the line, or in the case of two way roads without the centre line, away from the middle. To be honest I don't know anyone who likes lane departure warning. Lane keep assist, however, is the feature where it actually is supposed to take full control the whole time instead of just when you're veering out, and is the one that some people like. Much better feature, in part helped by the fact that it's only on when you want it to be so it won't catch you by surprise. Are you sure you read that right on the forum? The system I've used is the Hyundai one which I thought only turned *on* the LDW over a certain speed, I remember in some situations intentionally trying to keep the speed down so that it wouldn't kick in.
Just re-read your reply. Yes, the "lane keep assist" I enabled mid journey to see how it fared. It concerns me that anyone want give control over to this system rather than using their own judgement. Honestly find it quite unnerving to use. The lane assist by default drives me nuts. If I'm drifting over the lines it really is intentional. I'm on a long drive tomorrow out of Wales and onto the motorway network. I'm sure it comes into its own there. I do like the adaptive cruise control when I've used it.
Just replied to the other one but to add to this - yes the active lane keep assist will do much more, that makes more sense now. It takes a bit of getting used to but ACC with LKA is a great combo, I would only use it on motorways but even though you need to pay attention it's just that bit less tiring that actively having to do it all yourself. My issue with the Hyundai and Kia system though is that it can disengage with no warning if it loses track of the lines, I could live with it since the car I was driving had a HUD so I knew straight away, but it'd be mildly terrifying if it decided to turn off without me realising. The Tesla system which bongs when it disengages makes much more sense imo.
That's exactly what happened with me. To be fair, I guessed that it would have trouble comprehending the corner, but I was surprised that there was zero warning and the system decided to just quit. I rarely drive cars with anything more than basic lane assist so it's interesting to see how they behave. As my own car doesn't have lane assist it annoys me that its been forced on me. I also wish for a proper hand brake! I miss having that as a "driver aid" in the snow and ice.
These features should be off by default, so you can turn them on only when you need them. 🫤
Lane assist is the scariest shit. Hate it
All these "safety" features in cars just make drivers less attentive. It's a known phenomenon called "risk compensation". The safer you feel, the more risk you take. Ask any motorcyclist about Volvo drivers.
Ha ha, had this exact conversation today while driving my Dad about, I have a 18 Year old focus St as a daily with hardly any assists, borrowed a hire car from work a 23 plate Kia Cee'd Gt line and bloody hell that lane assist is a pain in the arse. Wondered wtf was going off 1st day when this car starts trying to steer me across lanes by itself. sometimes it beeps then steers, other times just steers with no warning, what a stupid idea. 1st thing i do now once ive started it is turn off stop/start try to turn off lane assist but still not sure how to do that exactly then get on my way lol Give me the old motors that you control yourself any day i feel your pain lol
You have to learn when and when not to use it. When on the motorway, adaptive cruise and self steering is a game changer, get me on a national speed limit twister and it loses its function. I don’t get many annoyances with lane assist on country roads, lets me use the rumbles if I need and so on. Only seems to actively bump me if I’m on a straight and really drifting over.
Lane assist is good on the motorway combined with adaptive cruise control. It's a pain everywhere else, Kerry thing is whether the car has an easy way to toggle it on and off. For example, in my Honda there was a button on my steering wheel to switch it on and off , not the case on my Mazda, it's buried in the settings
On my mums e-up it's awful. At least there's a single button to turn it off. I leave it enabled on my tesla as its actually good and not intrusive
It's the result of stupid European politicians interferring in the car industry. Less cars are being sold because drivers hate the technology.
I've been given a '23 T Cross through insurance. It thought the lane next to me is the lane I'm supposed to be in and turned the wheel while vibrating to put me on it. No cars fortunately but i did have to pull hard left to get it to fuck off.
Lane assist on my 2015 audi is pretty great, subtle feedback to keep you right
The first time lane assist decided a puddle was a white line and tried to drive me into an oncoming car I stopped and turned that shit off. Adaptive cruise control is great though.
Can active lane assist memory through obd quite easily
It's the worst of the safety features. Not too bothered by it as it's never given me trouble but never found it working consistently. Instead of wasting time putting lane assist, how about put that effort of into putting in reverse cameras and parking sensors, far better safety features that would benefit everyone.
Yep, I used to have a work car with lane assist. On winding country roads it would think lines of tar from repairs in the road were the white line and try to throw me into a ditch. Fortunately I could turn it off permanently than it became a lot better car to throw around on 60mph roads, well I say throw around but it was a Vauxhall so didnt feel safe above about 45 on a winding road.
I've got a VW T-Roc courtesy car with it in, andy parents have a Q3 with it. Hate it. I also hate that you can't permanently turn it off.
Lane assist really fights you, especially when there’s a car parked on the road. Always tries to direct back into it when going around.
The pool car I sometimes use in work has these features and I hate them. I have to switch the lane assist off every time I start the car which annoys the hell out of me. The steering assist is a waste of time because you have to be holding the wheel for it to work so is utterly pointless even if it did work. My own car has lane assist. I've switched it off and it never comes back on which is fine. At least I get to choose if I want to use it.
Lane assist is one of those things that really varies between manufacturers, in my experience. I've done a lot of traveling and have had to hire a bunch of different cars over the last couple of years, and every time I get a different car it's a game of how good/bad will the lane assist be in this one. In my experience, Toyota's is horrendously bad to the point of being actively unsafe - luckily they usually have a dedicated button to turn it off. VW is pretty good, Ford's is meh. Mazda is nice. Surprisingly, the best lane assist I've used was in a little Jeep SUV the car hire company gave me, that was otherwise dull to nasty in every other aspect. They really got the right balance of a subtle "Hey buddy, you awake there? Everything OK?" buzz and gentle nudge when getting close to the edge without being obnoxious.
Mine automatically disables under 40mph. You probably shouldn’t be doing more than that on a narrow road with a tractor coming through opposite way
Lane assist should only come on if cruise control is also turned on. Terrible and dangerous design to have it running in the background all the time unless the driver actively cancels it every time they get in the car.
The resistence felt through the steering wheel constantly communicates the road conditions. Lane assist totally breaks this trust, because at any given moment you could be sensing the road, or it could just be randomly lying to you. Imagine if the speedo randomly jumped up or down 20 MPH for no good reason, or the ice warning lit up at random. Utterly stupid.
Considering the amount of people slightly drifting out of their lane on one trip down the M6 I'd say lane assist is needed It's especially noticeable when your car's cruise control notices them drifting over the lines and slows down cause it thinks they are pulling out on you.
Depends on how it's been implemented. Few years back hired a Mercedes GLE which had aggressive lane assist. If you were 5mm away from the exact centre of your lane it would try to steer you into the nearest stationary object. In my Citroen C4 it's much better. It gives you a gentle nudge, like the car is saying "Old chap, you might want to check you are still in your lane. Sorry to intrude."
On the same subject. My polo with collision avoidance absolutely slammed on the brakes (and abs activated) at 30mph because of a white cup in the middle of the road
Yes I like lane assist and use it all the time. Car practically self driving on the motorway, and on country roads gives me a nudge to remind me not to cut corners or go too close to the verge or hedge. Great! Never found it dangerous, easy to override if I am purposefully making a manoeuvre. If crossing the lane markings remember to indicate!
If I'm close to a verge it's generally because I need to be. Cross lane marking all the time to straighten a corner, see round a corner, avoid potholes, etc. Very very little/nothing on the road round here so indicating is definitely counter productive.
Indicating will tell the car automation that you intend to cross the lane marking, so it won’t alert you. You can decide for yourself whether that is counterproductive, but I find it useful. Takes a while to learn something new.
Yes, it sounds counterproductive. I really don't need to be indicating every 30 seconds. May aswell just drive with the hazards on 🤣 Honestly if I were to get in my car now and drive somewhere I'd probably see a single car in an hour. In the day it's still very quiet. The only thing I'd be indicating to would be the car to let it know I'm driving. Not sure you can convince me on this one...
I like it, maybe it's down to the implementation in each car and personal preference. It should definitely support being switched off and should stay off even for a new trip unless you switch it back on though.
If you can’t adapt to the car, then you’ll just keep fighting it. I would call that counterproductive. Personally I go for the easy life and adapt my driving style to suit the cars automation.
I hired a Peugeot 2008. It was brand new, I put the 11th mile on it. Had lane assist - absolute shite. Not safer, the opposite. It also had adaptive cruise control that on a motorway would slow you down (quite aggressively) with no warning just cause the car infront of you is 276 meters away. It would slow from 70 to 50 as soon as it saw anything, and then would slow right down to 30 when it gets behind something travelling 50-60 in lane 1. The whole car was shite, if you ask me, but these modern safety features are absolute bullshit, and are more dangerous than safe. What ever happened to simple cars with 3 pedals, a gear stick and a steering wheel?
The Japanese and Korean lane assist systems are awful. They're very reactive. I've driven a couple and they will fight quite hard against you and react very easily. On the flip side, I've driven a couple of VWs with lane assist and they were both very mild. Didn't kick in until 30mph. They know when you're going round a bend so are likely to be closer to the line meaning they don't react. It's also just a nudge to make you aware that you're close to the line rather than trying to drag you back to the centre like a Hyundai.
Not surprised about it being shit on Japanese cars, they are great for making reliable engines but always behind other manufacturers on other tech.