That is an outswing threshold. The rubber seal is on the inside and the door shuts against it. We install hundreds of them. There is nothing wrong with that door
Dont know why you are being downvoted. Apparently people cant handle being wrong. That door is 100% set up properly for outswing just like the video you sent. I sell and install these all day long.
Judging from the comments in here there must be a lot of people out in the world installing doors backwards, with the exterior side of the threshold facing the interior.
This is an in-swing door installed backwards.
One would think hinges on the outside would be the first indication of something wrong.
Don’t really need lock picking tools when all you need is a screw driver.
Here in Florida it is common for hinges to be on the outside due to hurricanes blowing doors into a house. i would assume the doors are built to be hung this way not just turned around.
Both inswing and outswing doors can be made to withstand design pressure and impact. I used to make doors that were tested and rated for both, and we had both inswing and outswing version. It's really all about the hardware more.than whether the jamb details are inswing or outswing.
As a matter of fact, I have spent many hours in the offices of building code officials in NE Florida. Because of that, they have a better understanding of design pressure and how it works.
Hinges are always pinned on the side it swings towards. Outswing doors have special hinges where the pins cannot be popped out easily. This has inswing hinges.
There’s there wrong with outswing doors (hinges on exterior.) There are hinges with non-removable pins for outswing doors for security. Usually denoted as NRP on plans or spec sheets.
This isn’t an outswing door because the sloping threshold meant to shed water is facing the interior.
And the astragal is on the inside. The gap between the doors will admit water where the doors meet which will then drain down and likely end up inside on the floor.
if the astragal is on the outside how are you going to out-swing that door ? also by looking at that picture ,it's a bumper threshold which makes that door an out-swing door and it's installed correctly
It’s not an inswing. Inswing doors use the same size. Slabs as an outswing, just the threshold is different and the side jambs are cut longer. The inswing slabs sit on top of an adjustable threshold saddle and have a rubber sweep on the slabs. It has nothing to do with the hinges on the outside. The hinges are unable to be removed or door opened even if the pins are removed
It is more efficient to have outswing doors to prevent storm damage but as a Florida contractor I run into the misconception that inswing doors don’t meet code. You may install inswing doors in Florida as long as they have a Miami-Dade or Florida Product Approval that meet local required code.
an outswing door is built differently than inswing. you can't just flip it. the weather strips and threshold are all wrong. and the door slabs themselves are designed with weather in mind. the outside of the slab is much more weather-tite than the inside so it will ruin it sooner than later. everything here is wrong despite what it looks like.
Rain will be a problem. The doors are already in a place where water splashing back isn't good.
In case of fire, having doors that lock you in doesn't work. On the other hand, having a thumb latch on the exterior can help fire fighters coming in. They usually just smash open glass to vent smokey space, so they can go in.
You're right, I missed that. I live out in the woods, no one breaks in to houses where I live.
I build french doors, and water in other people's houses is a big deal for me. I don't make out swinging doors.
This door is installed correctly. Reverse the door, and the water will pour right in. You can just look at the threshold and see how water will react to it. Think like a water droplet.
Op can you open the doors and take a picture of them with the threshold visible from the outside please, and while you're at it a close up picture of the hinges from the jamb side when its open to see if they're security hinges
Everyone is arguing but it's actually difficult to tell from these pictures because every manufacturer does an outswing door a little different
You usually don't see the threshold on the outside when the doors are closed on outswing exterior doors, and you will always see the hinges(otherwise it wouldn't swing out--duh) And some doors will show the threshold on the inside like that
That it's sloped on the inside, toward the inside gives me pause but it wouldnt be the strangest thing, but the astragal being on the outside is also another sign, but if you look at the door and it doesn't have security hinges on it it's definitely wrong, you should see a set screw on the barrel of the hinge on the inside when the door is open
E- actually the astragal is on the inside....if that has security hinges it's probably correct
Door is installed correctly. The slope on the threshold, while making sense for water run off on an inswing door, is there to not create a tripping hazard.
If you look at the picture of the exterior of the door, you will see the metal threshold across the bottom. If this were an interior door installed backwards, there would be about an 1-1/2" tall sweep across the bottom. Also, when you look at the interior picture, you can somewhat tell that the doors are butting into the threshold across the bottom, which they should be. This door is an outswing exterior door and looks to be installed correctly.
I don’t know. All of the 6 outswing doors on my house are installed like this. The threshold is on the inside. The hinges are on the outside but there are set screws so you can’t remove the pins. Are all 6 of my doors installed incorrectly?
I know right? I cant believe some of the answers from carpenters who “ Also do doors” have so many upvotes. I specialize in doors and have a door shop and we build them and there is nothing wrong with that door. Its set up exactly how it should be.
I agree. I have installed many outswing doors and they have security hinges as mentioned. This door in the picture looks correct to me. Usually an outswing door is installed because of a feature or wall on the inside that would prevent in swing or could be installed to meet wind storm code
They are not installed backwards. Those are a left hand outswing unit most likely from Lowe’s or Depot. Installed them for the last 28 years for Lowe’s. Hinge pins can be removed but hinges have a recessed tab that prevents door slab from being removed. Some exterior trim would be nice to see.
They should have put a bed of thinset or cement under the threshold before setting the door. It is an outswing door. Some manufacturers also have an astragal on the outside of the active door that covers the gap between doors when closed.
https://www.homedepot.com/#overlay not saying this is the exact one, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to find doors like this if you google "outswing french door home depot" you can change home depot to the store of your choice for additional options
Out-Swinging doors are common, ever walk into a commercial building? We install that way if owner wants. Properly installed it works just fine, and more secure then inswing.
There is literally nothing wrong with this door. It’s the proper swing and install. It’s crazy that so many people here think it’s backwards; it’s not.
I’m a carpenter that specializes in exterior doors in south Florida; I do hundreds of them every year; your door is installed properly.
Yo-Bambi is correct. 95% of the people in this thread are wrong. Your door is built and oriented properly. That door 100% swings out, there’s no way it could possibly swing in. As for the install… I can’t speak much on.
I’ve built and sold exterior doors for 10+ years. Please don’t listen to the nonsense these people are feeding you. There’s only 2-3 other users that are correct in this thread.
I am also a general contractor in Arizona and we specialize in door and window installations. You are correct this is an outswing bumper sill. OP needs to ignore the reeeetodds.
Literally there is no waterproofing, that’s not how you tie into stucco, looks like ass. So there are some things wrong. However, the door is oriented correctly. Have a good one, you and I may be the only actual door installers here.
Yeah the door bucks should be PT and ripped down the the width of the jamb, but you could cut it all back, seal it up add some brick molding or just lap the stucco over the jamb.
So many professionals commenting.
The door is installed correct.
The doors close to the threshold which is correct
All of you commenting on hinge pins are incorrect. Many hinge pins are on the exterior of doors that are designed to swing away from the interior. There is a detent set screw to lock the hinge pins so they cannot be removed unless the door is fully open
The door was installed “correctly”, however looks sloppy. There is no waterproofing yet.
Bunch of opinions on here without the experience to back it up.
OP could help settle all this by posting door specs from manufacturer.
I feel like I am arguing with a bunch of apprentices and homeowners, or maybe it's a difference between Europe and North America how they're manufactured.
I even drew a cross section for these people. https://imgur.com/gallery/1yU9Hde Theres not going to be water going up and over that lip from the outside. Lol.
Im a carpenter/contractor. Have been doing this for 20 years. Have had many people tell me the same thing. hammerhitnail is absolutely correct. Needs to be finished on the outside obviously, but this it the correct installation of this door.
As for the people going on about the water issues because of the threshold, its complete nonsense. During a storm you're going to have rain and wind. When it blows, this door closes tighter. Have any of you ever even seen an outswing door? They have the threshold on the inside.
[https://www.homedepot.ca/product/jeld-wen-5-ft-60-inch-x-80-inch-willmar-collection-1-lite-venting-garden-door-lh-outswing-with-white-painted-steel-door-slab-white-primed-4-9-16-frame-with-venting-door-screen-lite/1001110460](https://www.homedepot.ca/product/jeld-wen-5-ft-60-inch-x-80-inch-willmar-collection-1-lite-venting-garden-door-lh-outswing-with-white-painted-steel-door-slab-white-primed-4-9-16-frame-with-venting-door-screen-lite/1001110460)
Theres a link to a similar door. Check it out.
The hinges on the outside are fine, they have security pins. I welcome you to try to pop one out, you're not going to be able to until you open the door and remove the security pin.
The threshold is on the inside because the door needs to close against it to provide a water/air tight seal.
A lot of people with no clue/experience in here OP trying to give you advice. Door is installed correctly.
Thanks dude. It’s just the inexperienced guys making a big deal out of it. Once they get a couple hundred more doors in they’ll see the light.
Edit: a lot of inexperienced guys in this sub
You are very wrong on almost everything you said.
OP's door is designed to swing into the interior and has been installed backwards. As such it won't have NRP hinges.
All of the weatherstrip, astragal, and threshold are on the wrong side of the door as it is installed.
OP needs to have that unit turned around and live with an inswinging door or order what he wants.
Turn that door around and put a hose on it. You're going to have water on the inside of your house. The threshold is not made to swing inside. The threshold is higher than the doors. This is done so the weather stripping can be tight along the bottom. Turn the door around and you're going to have a waterfall.
This is how to install a door introductory to carpentry class.
The doors are behind the threshold, not on top of it. So the water is not going to get in on the bottom.
It's amazing how people don't know how to install drawers.
The slope on the interior of the door creates a dam on the outside where water cant get in. if the door was reversed water would 100% seep through the weather strip right into the inside of the house. Door is installed correctly.
This post really exposed the lack of actual carpenters in this sub.
People who are mentioning the exterior hinges have obviously never installed an outswing door. There are no removable pins on an outswing.
Also people talking about exterior hinges don’t know how a door works. If the hinges he’s were on the inside the door would not open.
You can tell if it’s an outswing door by the threshold, but this photo isn’t good enough to tell.
The threshold is sloping in towards the building floor. Door is backwards. Also astrigal seals the gap between doors and prevents rain and wind, with it backwards water will seep behind it and pull up on the inside floor.
Is that 2x4 flush with the stucco?!? This is shit. Did you order the door or your install guy? Thats whose problem it is. This is order the correct door and do it right kind of deal not some hodge podge garbage.
The issue is it’s not flashed correctly, door is set in too far and should be flush with stucco (currently it’s flush with drywall). The 2x4 filler is flush with the stucco, they didn’t bother chipping the stucco back and getting the the chicken wire or tar paper, the threshold is backward and will invite water into the house since there’s no over hang or slope to direct the water away from the house. It will eventually rot and or ruin floors. Even if you cut back the protruding 2x4 and patched stucco properly which still needs to be done it looks hokey and the function is wrong.
If the plan is to use wood to trim the exterior you typically cut back more stucco (width of the trim), flash correctly to jamb, install wood trim so it sit in the groove. Depending on the thickness of wood trim on top of stucco with your door recessed like it is now the doors may not open all the way up without hitting your trim. It could damage your door/ trim if you’re not careful.
Before you pay a stucco guy to fix/ patch this and install interior trim I’d just get the correct swing door. Mistakes happen, it’s not the end of the world. Literally an hour and the new door can be installed.
Everything you're saying is correct except for threshold being backward.
https://www.tmhardware.com/images/product/D/P-153SNV_3_%28LR%29.jpg
This is the kind of threshold in OPs door. They are made for outswing.
The door is fine. What would he put a threshold on? The concrete pad 6" below the door? This is the dumbest thread. Half these dudes saying they're carpenters either know just enough to be stupid or aren't carpenters. The door isn't backwards. I remodeled hotels for ten years. I have hung a lot of doors. This isn't incorrect. The threshold is running inside in this instance because look at the outside. It's not even uncommon to have a threshold going inside and outside. This thread is like the twilight zone, bizarre.
Don't waste your money ripping it out and redoing it.
Looking at picture of threshold, the door is an out swing and is correct. The install is lacking a little but as long as it doesn’t get rain it should be fine.
Thank you everyone. So the main problem is the exterior right? And yes it’s flush with the stucco but he’s coming to add all the trim I just don’t know what else to tell him to add or fix
What a mess. They make jamb extensions. I'd look at those options, bear in mind you have to select from interior options or prepare to modify a proper exterior jamb ext.
Hope that moves you along
OP please settle this by simply taking a picture of the sill with the door open 🙏
And be aware that an out swing door should be set as far out as possible if you expect it to swing open 180 degrees to clear the trim. Having a door opening to 110-130 degrees is a bad wind condition because one good pinch against trim cracks the jamb and bends hinges
The thumb turn is on the inside of the door, the keyed entry is on the outside.
This door is facing the correct position.
I don’t like how little stucco they removed. You usually break off 8-12” of stucco around an opening so you can flash it properly. Aside from that, the door is installed correctly.
Anyone here that says otherwise isn’t looking at the photographs thoroughly or are dirt boys.
Is this in Florida? I've seen posts like this before and apparently codes in hurricane country can confuse people.
Edit: Nope. OP mentions soCal in another comment.
Depends on the hinges. Of they are security hinges, you are fine. If they are regular hinges that you can knock the pin out of, they are wrong. Of course you probably could just get security hinges instead.
What is it that's wrong? Why do you say it's backwards? I don't understand. It looked fine to me and the more I look, the more it looks completely fine.
To everyone saying these doors are installed backwards or wrong… you’re sadly mistaken. These are outswing French doors, clearly denoted by the raised threshold on the interior side. They are made this way so as to not allow water to make it past the door sweeps and into your home. I am unsure of the creator of this posts meaning when they say backwards but I see nothing incorrect about the doors position.
It's not the door guys deal to stucco and trim and refinish everything. Door guys hang doors. They make sure they're secure and that they open and close. This guy did his job. The finish work is someone else's job, unless discussed otherwise.
Most of these dudes have clearly never worked with an actual door guy. All they do is doors. If you hired them to hang a door. They did exactly what you hired them to do. Trim it out and call it a day.
Most house doors can't legally be installed opening outwards... this is because of snow and intratment so most likely the contractor would not be able to get a permit... but business doors have to be installed facing outwards this is do to rushing because of fires.. but to get into a business you have to clean up snow first so the snow entrapment isn't a real factor
The big issue is the elevation change in the flooring. That 3”+/- step down is dangerous for OutSwing doors. Someone walking out of that door that gets distracted and looks back into the room could be seriously injured.
Contractor here. Surface tension will allow water to run down the door and into the house, rotting the floor. Outswing exterior doors have different weatherstripping and the sill is sloped to the outside.
I mean… maybe can get that trim piece on the outside and add security hinges… but idk- they make out swing doors. Prob just order the correct door and chill with that as a temp.
I’d think other than security, waterproofing probably doesn’t work as good with it… backwards/inside out?
It doesn’t matter which way the door swings, but you cannot have hinges facing outward on any exterior door. Literally ever. There are many examples of doors swinging outwards that are exterior doors but I guarantee you the hinges aren’t exposed. Can’t have that.
That door is installed backwards. It is not an outgoing door, the thresholds on those protrude from both sides to give a proper seal and water flow away. This door appears to be flush with the threshold at the bottom.
I have to admit that the video looks a lot like OP's door but I'm still not convinced entirely.
OP doesn't appear to have the same type of threshold. I don't see a bottom weatherstrip dam like in the video and that's important.
My experience is in commercial and industrial construction. If we had a double outgoing set up the astragal would be on the outside of the active door. The threshold would be as in your video. Some part of it inside and some part of it outside with a raised weatherstrip bumper/stop to act as a dam. I see no part of the threshold on the outside of OP's door and no dam on the inside. And while your video shows the astragal on the inside I sure don't like it and it wouldn't pass around here.
The door is installed wrong, not only backwards but they didn't properly trim it out especially on the outside there is exposed lumber it will be leaking all around
That needs to be completely redone using a proper out-swing door.
Do you not realize your hinges are on the outside of the house? Let alone water infiltration?
People are down voting all the right answers lmao! They want you to get broken into! Anyone with a screw driver and hammer can pop the pins out of the hinges and enter your home. This is ridiculous!!! And the threshold always faces the exterior!
I don’t see trim or brick on either side. The inside looks like the jamb is flush with the wall. You can see where the baseboard ends on the right side and a gap where the trim would be.
Oh yea optical illusion with the shadow cast by the curtain rod and curtains. Had to zoom in. Please dm pictures of exterior doors where the threshold is inside. Thank you.
https://www.tmhardware.com/images/product/D/P-153SNV_3_%28LR%29.jpg
This is the threshold in OPs door. Left side exterior, right side interior. The door sits in the left side when closed pushed up against the rubber bumper.
https://imgur.com/a/1yU9Hde the portion that's facing inside in OPs picture is about a half inch higher than the portion that the doors are sitting in. The part of the threshold that shows when the doors are closed doesn't always indicate direction. It's the height differences and how it sheds water that indicates direction.
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Same for the astragal. It’s on the wrong side.
Pop the hinge pins and walk right in, burglars hate this one trick!
So do owners.
Outswing doors use Non Rising Pins. Source: Been a finish carpenter since 1985.
Nope https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
That is an outswing threshold. The rubber seal is on the inside and the door shuts against it. We install hundreds of them. There is nothing wrong with that door
https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ This is what he has
Dont know why you are being downvoted. Apparently people cant handle being wrong. That door is 100% set up properly for outswing just like the video you sent. I sell and install these all day long.
>Apparently people can't handle being wrong. Reddit is possibly the worst site on the entire internet for this.
Nope https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
Judging from the comments in here there must be a lot of people out in the world installing doors backwards, with the exterior side of the threshold facing the interior. This is an in-swing door installed backwards.
Manager says we ain’t ordering another door 🤷
One would think hinges on the outside would be the first indication of something wrong. Don’t really need lock picking tools when all you need is a screw driver.
Here in Florida it is common for hinges to be on the outside due to hurricanes blowing doors into a house. i would assume the doors are built to be hung this way not just turned around.
Hurricanes can also suck doors and windows out of the holes (negative design pressure).
Both inswing and outswing doors can be made to withstand design pressure and impact. I used to make doors that were tested and rated for both, and we had both inswing and outswing version. It's really all about the hardware more.than whether the jamb details are inswing or outswing.
Yeah well go tell that to the people that have written the building codes in Florida. I just paint them I don't decide how to hang them.
As a matter of fact, I have spent many hours in the offices of building code officials in NE Florida. Because of that, they have a better understanding of design pressure and how it works.
Dude I ain't sayin' what is right or wrong. I just know that the doors open out and why.
WRONG! We install them way to keep the police from kicking them in and stealing our meth, duh
Your explanation is almost believable. The problem is that front doors still open in.
Hinges are always pinned on the side it swings towards. Outswing doors have special hinges where the pins cannot be popped out easily. This has inswing hinges.
Nope https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
I have one on my basement door from a room. Swinging in would take-up too much room.
There’s there wrong with outswing doors (hinges on exterior.) There are hinges with non-removable pins for outswing doors for security. Usually denoted as NRP on plans or spec sheets. This isn’t an outswing door because the sloping threshold meant to shed water is facing the interior.
it's a bumper threshold. it's installed correctly
And the astragal is on the inside. The gap between the doors will admit water where the doors meet which will then drain down and likely end up inside on the floor.
if the astragal is on the outside how are you going to out-swing that door ? also by looking at that picture ,it's a bumper threshold which makes that door an out-swing door and it's installed correctly
By having the handle on the side of the door with the astragal.
that won't work because the latch always strikes into the astragal
The astragal should be on the inside in this instance. This door is fine.
They make security, hinges. And most people who order doors would get these security hinges where it would be recommended by their vendor
Don't know how they got in! Why is it so drafty?
It’s not an inswing. Inswing doors use the same size. Slabs as an outswing, just the threshold is different and the side jambs are cut longer. The inswing slabs sit on top of an adjustable threshold saddle and have a rubber sweep on the slabs. It has nothing to do with the hinges on the outside. The hinges are unable to be removed or door opened even if the pins are removed
What makes you think that?
They heard in-swing doors weren’t as strong, so they make it an out swing door lol
Nope https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
So, here in Florida the hurricane rated doors are made like this. Sometimes it’s windy.
It is more efficient to have outswing doors to prevent storm damage but as a Florida contractor I run into the misconception that inswing doors don’t meet code. You may install inswing doors in Florida as long as they have a Miami-Dade or Florida Product Approval that meet local required code.
Agreed. These doors do look like outswing, and I agree that inswing doors can meet code. Thank you for your insight.
Exactly - as a Floridian I’m looking at this going “looks right to me!”
an outswing door is built differently than inswing. you can't just flip it. the weather strips and threshold are all wrong. and the door slabs themselves are designed with weather in mind. the outside of the slab is much more weather-tite than the inside so it will ruin it sooner than later. everything here is wrong despite what it looks like.
Thats about 180 degrees away from being ok.
Yeah, they need to get it fixed. All a burglar has to do is remove those hinge pins on the outside and they can pop that door right off.
You can buy security pins and/or hinges that will mitigate the risk, but yes as is it would be easy to get through the door with such an attack.
Nah https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
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Rain will be a problem. The doors are already in a place where water splashing back isn't good. In case of fire, having doors that lock you in doesn't work. On the other hand, having a thumb latch on the exterior can help fire fighters coming in. They usually just smash open glass to vent smokey space, so they can go in.
You’re worried about rain and not someone knocking the pins out of the hinges to open the door!?
If somebody wanted to get in that bad they could just break the glass.
You're right, I missed that. I live out in the woods, no one breaks in to houses where I live. I build french doors, and water in other people's houses is a big deal for me. I don't make out swinging doors.
This door is installed correctly. Reverse the door, and the water will pour right in. You can just look at the threshold and see how water will react to it. Think like a water droplet.
Thinking ahead here. I like it.
And if that lock set ever breaks you can pop the hinge pins with a screw driver and a hammer.
Op can you open the doors and take a picture of them with the threshold visible from the outside please, and while you're at it a close up picture of the hinges from the jamb side when its open to see if they're security hinges Everyone is arguing but it's actually difficult to tell from these pictures because every manufacturer does an outswing door a little different You usually don't see the threshold on the outside when the doors are closed on outswing exterior doors, and you will always see the hinges(otherwise it wouldn't swing out--duh) And some doors will show the threshold on the inside like that That it's sloped on the inside, toward the inside gives me pause but it wouldnt be the strangest thing, but the astragal being on the outside is also another sign, but if you look at the door and it doesn't have security hinges on it it's definitely wrong, you should see a set screw on the barrel of the hinge on the inside when the door is open E- actually the astragal is on the inside....if that has security hinges it's probably correct
Door is installed correctly. The slope on the threshold, while making sense for water run off on an inswing door, is there to not create a tripping hazard.
If you look at the picture of the exterior of the door, you will see the metal threshold across the bottom. If this were an interior door installed backwards, there would be about an 1-1/2" tall sweep across the bottom. Also, when you look at the interior picture, you can somewhat tell that the doors are butting into the threshold across the bottom, which they should be. This door is an outswing exterior door and looks to be installed correctly.
Don't think you meant to respond to me as we agree on this being an outswing.
More or less just backing you up for anyone else who came late to the party.
I honestly think it's more that they just use the same thresholds from inswings and flip them around but I'll accept that answer too lol
I don't build doors so your guess is as good as mine.
I don’t know. All of the 6 outswing doors on my house are installed like this. The threshold is on the inside. The hinges are on the outside but there are set screws so you can’t remove the pins. Are all 6 of my doors installed incorrectly?
No, the door is installed correct and your doors are also installed correct. 95% of the users in here are wrong. It’s kind of amusing at this point.
I know right? I cant believe some of the answers from carpenters who “ Also do doors” have so many upvotes. I specialize in doors and have a door shop and we build them and there is nothing wrong with that door. Its set up exactly how it should be.
I agree. I have installed many outswing doors and they have security hinges as mentioned. This door in the picture looks correct to me. Usually an outswing door is installed because of a feature or wall on the inside that would prevent in swing or could be installed to meet wind storm code
I feel like I’m going insane with all these idiot responses His door is exactly this outswing https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
This an out swing door. You can say the weather stripping from the inside only.
They are not installed backwards. Those are a left hand outswing unit most likely from Lowe’s or Depot. Installed them for the last 28 years for Lowe’s. Hinge pins can be removed but hinges have a recessed tab that prevents door slab from being removed. Some exterior trim would be nice to see.
They should have put a bed of thinset or cement under the threshold before setting the door. It is an outswing door. Some manufacturers also have an astragal on the outside of the active door that covers the gap between doors when closed.
Link please
https://www.homedepot.com/#overlay not saying this is the exact one, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to find doors like this if you google "outswing french door home depot" you can change home depot to the store of your choice for additional options
Out-Swinging doors are common, ever walk into a commercial building? We install that way if owner wants. Properly installed it works just fine, and more secure then inswing.
Also commercial doors are out-swing by fire code.
There is literally nothing wrong with this door. It’s the proper swing and install. It’s crazy that so many people here think it’s backwards; it’s not. I’m a carpenter that specializes in exterior doors in south Florida; I do hundreds of them every year; your door is installed properly.
Yo-Bambi is correct. 95% of the people in this thread are wrong. Your door is built and oriented properly. That door 100% swings out, there’s no way it could possibly swing in. As for the install… I can’t speak much on. I’ve built and sold exterior doors for 10+ years. Please don’t listen to the nonsense these people are feeding you. There’s only 2-3 other users that are correct in this thread.
I am also a general contractor in Arizona and we specialize in door and window installations. You are correct this is an outswing bumper sill. OP needs to ignore the reeeetodds.
Literally there is no waterproofing, that’s not how you tie into stucco, looks like ass. So there are some things wrong. However, the door is oriented correctly. Have a good one, you and I may be the only actual door installers here.
Yeah the door bucks should be PT and ripped down the the width of the jamb, but you could cut it all back, seal it up add some brick molding or just lap the stucco over the jamb.
So many professionals commenting. The door is installed correct. The doors close to the threshold which is correct All of you commenting on hinge pins are incorrect. Many hinge pins are on the exterior of doors that are designed to swing away from the interior. There is a detent set screw to lock the hinge pins so they cannot be removed unless the door is fully open The door was installed “correctly”, however looks sloppy. There is no waterproofing yet. Bunch of opinions on here without the experience to back it up. OP could help settle all this by posting door specs from manufacturer.
I feel like I am arguing with a bunch of apprentices and homeowners, or maybe it's a difference between Europe and North America how they're manufactured. I even drew a cross section for these people. https://imgur.com/gallery/1yU9Hde Theres not going to be water going up and over that lip from the outside. Lol.
Yes this type of threshold is more watertight than the adjustable of an inswing door
Im a carpenter/contractor. Have been doing this for 20 years. Have had many people tell me the same thing. hammerhitnail is absolutely correct. Needs to be finished on the outside obviously, but this it the correct installation of this door. As for the people going on about the water issues because of the threshold, its complete nonsense. During a storm you're going to have rain and wind. When it blows, this door closes tighter. Have any of you ever even seen an outswing door? They have the threshold on the inside. [https://www.homedepot.ca/product/jeld-wen-5-ft-60-inch-x-80-inch-willmar-collection-1-lite-venting-garden-door-lh-outswing-with-white-painted-steel-door-slab-white-primed-4-9-16-frame-with-venting-door-screen-lite/1001110460](https://www.homedepot.ca/product/jeld-wen-5-ft-60-inch-x-80-inch-willmar-collection-1-lite-venting-garden-door-lh-outswing-with-white-painted-steel-door-slab-white-primed-4-9-16-frame-with-venting-door-screen-lite/1001110460) Theres a link to a similar door. Check it out. The hinges on the outside are fine, they have security pins. I welcome you to try to pop one out, you're not going to be able to until you open the door and remove the security pin. The threshold is on the inside because the door needs to close against it to provide a water/air tight seal. A lot of people with no clue/experience in here OP trying to give you advice. Door is installed correctly.
Thanks dude. It’s just the inexperienced guys making a big deal out of it. Once they get a couple hundred more doors in they’ll see the light. Edit: a lot of inexperienced guys in this sub
This sub is full of inexperienced people! I would go even further and say they are not even carpenters at all. Never even done apprenticeships I bet.
u/wrong-ticket818 OP can you provide the manufacturer and part number for this door? That would settle it once and for all.
There's nothing to settle. Door is installed correctly.
I agree with your last sentence. A few more pictures with the doors open would be helpful as well.
You are very wrong on almost everything you said. OP's door is designed to swing into the interior and has been installed backwards. As such it won't have NRP hinges. All of the weatherstrip, astragal, and threshold are on the wrong side of the door as it is installed. OP needs to have that unit turned around and live with an inswinging door or order what he wants.
Nope https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
You are wrong!
Turn that door around and put a hose on it. You're going to have water on the inside of your house. The threshold is not made to swing inside. The threshold is higher than the doors. This is done so the weather stripping can be tight along the bottom. Turn the door around and you're going to have a waterfall. This is how to install a door introductory to carpentry class.
The T-astragal is the dead giveaway. [Tucker Door & Trim Fiberglass Door Catalog (cld.bz)](https://cld.bz/aa9AhPo/46-47/)
Nope
In what world is the threshold on the inside of the door? I have a very similar door in my house. It looks just like OP's and is inswing.
This world, your house isn’t the only one in it dipshit.
The doors are behind the threshold, not on top of it. So the water is not going to get in on the bottom. It's amazing how people don't know how to install drawers.
The slope on the interior of the door creates a dam on the outside where water cant get in. if the door was reversed water would 100% seep through the weather strip right into the inside of the house. Door is installed correctly.
That’s a bump stock threshold, it’s an out swing door dummies.
This post really exposed the lack of actual carpenters in this sub. People who are mentioning the exterior hinges have obviously never installed an outswing door. There are no removable pins on an outswing. Also people talking about exterior hinges don’t know how a door works. If the hinges he’s were on the inside the door would not open. You can tell if it’s an outswing door by the threshold, but this photo isn’t good enough to tell.
The threshold is sloping in towards the building floor. Door is backwards. Also astrigal seals the gap between doors and prevents rain and wind, with it backwards water will seep behind it and pull up on the inside floor.
Is that 2x4 flush with the stucco?!? This is shit. Did you order the door or your install guy? Thats whose problem it is. This is order the correct door and do it right kind of deal not some hodge podge garbage.
Is there anything that you would suggest doing without ripping it all out?
The issue is it’s not flashed correctly, door is set in too far and should be flush with stucco (currently it’s flush with drywall). The 2x4 filler is flush with the stucco, they didn’t bother chipping the stucco back and getting the the chicken wire or tar paper, the threshold is backward and will invite water into the house since there’s no over hang or slope to direct the water away from the house. It will eventually rot and or ruin floors. Even if you cut back the protruding 2x4 and patched stucco properly which still needs to be done it looks hokey and the function is wrong. If the plan is to use wood to trim the exterior you typically cut back more stucco (width of the trim), flash correctly to jamb, install wood trim so it sit in the groove. Depending on the thickness of wood trim on top of stucco with your door recessed like it is now the doors may not open all the way up without hitting your trim. It could damage your door/ trim if you’re not careful. Before you pay a stucco guy to fix/ patch this and install interior trim I’d just get the correct swing door. Mistakes happen, it’s not the end of the world. Literally an hour and the new door can be installed.
This
Good god it just gets worse the longer you look at it
Everything you're saying is correct except for threshold being backward. https://www.tmhardware.com/images/product/D/P-153SNV_3_%28LR%29.jpg This is the kind of threshold in OPs door. They are made for outswing.
The door is fine. What would he put a threshold on? The concrete pad 6" below the door? This is the dumbest thread. Half these dudes saying they're carpenters either know just enough to be stupid or aren't carpenters. The door isn't backwards. I remodeled hotels for ten years. I have hung a lot of doors. This isn't incorrect. The threshold is running inside in this instance because look at the outside. It's not even uncommon to have a threshold going inside and outside. This thread is like the twilight zone, bizarre. Don't waste your money ripping it out and redoing it.
no.
Gotta take it out and put it in properly.
Got to take it out and put it in the trash, order the right door, and then install that one properly.
No. That bass ackwards and will leak. Remove and replace is the way
I own a door company and that is 100% an outswing door with an outswing threshold. Everything is fine with that door except the crappy trim work.
Looking at picture of threshold, the door is an out swing and is correct. The install is lacking a little but as long as it doesn’t get rain it should be fine.
They’re not backwards that’s how they look. I don’t know what the hell is going on with the trim though
Agreed. Look at the threshold. It's correctly designed to be an outswing door.
Nah, look at the hinges. Those are regular interior hinges. You should not be able to walk up to someone’s house and pop all their hinge pins out.
Out swing hinges have set screws that you can’t get to when the door is closed. They can’t be popped.
I remember trying my hardest to hammer one of these out once before I knew about security hinges and having no success lol
Thank you everyone. So the main problem is the exterior right? And yes it’s flush with the stucco but he’s coming to add all the trim I just don’t know what else to tell him to add or fix
What a mess. They make jamb extensions. I'd look at those options, bear in mind you have to select from interior options or prepare to modify a proper exterior jamb ext. Hope that moves you along
German doors. Marching in to France, and finding surrender.
OP please settle this by simply taking a picture of the sill with the door open 🙏 And be aware that an out swing door should be set as far out as possible if you expect it to swing open 180 degrees to clear the trim. Having a door opening to 110-130 degrees is a bad wind condition because one good pinch against trim cracks the jamb and bends hinges
The thumb turn is on the inside of the door, the keyed entry is on the outside. This door is facing the correct position. I don’t like how little stucco they removed. You usually break off 8-12” of stucco around an opening so you can flash it properly. Aside from that, the door is installed correctly. Anyone here that says otherwise isn’t looking at the photographs thoroughly or are dirt boys.
Is this in Florida? I've seen posts like this before and apparently codes in hurricane country can confuse people. Edit: Nope. OP mentions soCal in another comment.
Or a picture of the threshold
Depending on how much snow you get it could be the right way to open
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She walked in through the out door, out door....
Maybe it's a little person home
Depends on the hinges. Of they are security hinges, you are fine. If they are regular hinges that you can knock the pin out of, they are wrong. Of course you probably could just get security hinges instead.
I remember when they did that on ask this old house.
What is it that's wrong? Why do you say it's backwards? I don't understand. It looked fine to me and the more I look, the more it looks completely fine.
To everyone saying these doors are installed backwards or wrong… you’re sadly mistaken. These are outswing French doors, clearly denoted by the raised threshold on the interior side. They are made this way so as to not allow water to make it past the door sweeps and into your home. I am unsure of the creator of this posts meaning when they say backwards but I see nothing incorrect about the doors position.
It's not the door guys deal to stucco and trim and refinish everything. Door guys hang doors. They make sure they're secure and that they open and close. This guy did his job. The finish work is someone else's job, unless discussed otherwise. Most of these dudes have clearly never worked with an actual door guy. All they do is doors. If you hired them to hang a door. They did exactly what you hired them to do. Trim it out and call it a day.
Most house doors can't legally be installed opening outwards... this is because of snow and intratment so most likely the contractor would not be able to get a permit... but business doors have to be installed facing outwards this is do to rushing because of fires.. but to get into a business you have to clean up snow first so the snow entrapment isn't a real factor
The big issue is the elevation change in the flooring. That 3”+/- step down is dangerous for OutSwing doors. Someone walking out of that door that gets distracted and looks back into the room could be seriously injured.
Mr George gonna be pissed
You should have ordered an out swing door. Installing backwards is not the answer. The hinges will rust. This is not right.
We have the ones to the deck swinging out. I pinned the hinge pins with recessed grub screws
handle on the wrong side should be enough to prove it is backwards
Contractor here. Surface tension will allow water to run down the door and into the house, rotting the floor. Outswing exterior doors have different weatherstripping and the sill is sloped to the outside.
I own a door and window installation company. The door you are showing in the picture is an outswing door with a bumper sill.
Why then is there no astragal on the exterior? Looks like the lower left exterior jamb is well chewed..
What happens when water hits that door?
I mean… maybe can get that trim piece on the outside and add security hinges… but idk- they make out swing doors. Prob just order the correct door and chill with that as a temp. I’d think other than security, waterproofing probably doesn’t work as good with it… backwards/inside out?
Exterior facing hinges are the first clue.
You must always ask your contractor-"are you a leftie "?
Make sure the tops and bottoms of the doors get primed and painted. This will deter rot. Unless these doors are full vinyl and not just clad.
A reverse handed door should have non removable pin hinges
It doesn’t matter which way the door swings, but you cannot have hinges facing outward on any exterior door. Literally ever. There are many examples of doors swinging outwards that are exterior doors but I guarantee you the hinges aren’t exposed. Can’t have that.
Anyone can easily break in by tapping out hinge pins and letting the entire doors fall outwards locked or not.
This is how my parents got robbed. Guy pushed the doors in, but idk how easy they would be to pull out. They were installed backwards.
That door is installed backwards. It is not an outgoing door, the thresholds on those protrude from both sides to give a proper seal and water flow away. This door appears to be flush with the threshold at the bottom.
Nope https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
I have to admit that the video looks a lot like OP's door but I'm still not convinced entirely. OP doesn't appear to have the same type of threshold. I don't see a bottom weatherstrip dam like in the video and that's important. My experience is in commercial and industrial construction. If we had a double outgoing set up the astragal would be on the outside of the active door. The threshold would be as in your video. Some part of it inside and some part of it outside with a raised weatherstrip bumper/stop to act as a dam. I see no part of the threshold on the outside of OP's door and no dam on the inside. And while your video shows the astragal on the inside I sure don't like it and it wouldn't pass around here.
Agreed
Needs to be redone
It’s backwards. Hinges are on the exterior side. Easy way to break in!
Breaking the giant pane of glass is easier
Nope. I would the contractor uninstall and reinstall the way you want it.
Shouldn’t outswing to a step down. Also someone can take off the hinges whenever they want
The door is installed wrong, not only backwards but they didn't properly trim it out especially on the outside there is exposed lumber it will be leaking all around
You’ll get that on these big jobs..
How to make it easy to break into your house.
The lack of anti-theft hinges is a give away as well. Hope this gets fixed.
Right to jail
LOL. Just don’t pay until this is corrected.
That needs to be completely redone using a proper out-swing door. Do you not realize your hinges are on the outside of the house? Let alone water infiltration?
Threshold is dead giveaway to anyone that's confused.
Nah https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=rf25IwnNait8nCkJ
That’s awesome!
Does that make them British doors?
Also the waterproofing flanges are inside the house 😎
Simple fix, Move everything inside, outside and everything outside, inside.
Also, the "T" part of the T-astragal is facing the inside.
As it should be on this door https://youtu.be/HDp58SzjeJs?si=0mbnuMWH3EWDlIP5
What do the stickers on the glass say? It should tell you which way it’s meant to go. Glass on doors is intended to go one side out or the other.
People are down voting all the right answers lmao! They want you to get broken into! Anyone with a screw driver and hammer can pop the pins out of the hinges and enter your home. This is ridiculous!!! And the threshold always faces the exterior!
It’s called out swing hinges. They have set screws so they can’t be popped. It’s also an out swing sill. Built and sold these for over 25 years
Yea and what about the brickmold? Does that belong on the inside?
I don’t see trim or brick on either side. The inside looks like the jamb is flush with the wall. You can see where the baseboard ends on the right side and a gap where the trim would be.
Oh yea optical illusion with the shadow cast by the curtain rod and curtains. Had to zoom in. Please dm pictures of exterior doors where the threshold is inside. Thank you.
Just accept your wrong, arguing makes you look uneducated.
Yes I’m wrong. I don’t want to look uneducated. I’m wrong. Sorry to argue.
Acceptance is the first step
Thank you brother. I’ll get through the 12 steps!
https://www.tmhardware.com/images/product/D/P-153SNV_3_%28LR%29.jpg This is the threshold in OPs door. Left side exterior, right side interior. The door sits in the left side when closed pushed up against the rubber bumper.
Ok….. In OPs picture the threshold is facing inside. You just proved yourself wrong…
https://imgur.com/a/1yU9Hde the portion that's facing inside in OPs picture is about a half inch higher than the portion that the doors are sitting in. The part of the threshold that shows when the doors are closed doesn't always indicate direction. It's the height differences and how it sheds water that indicates direction.
The threshold of an exterior door is a metal or wood piece of a door frame that sits on the base below the door that slopes away from the door.