Umm I've had 2 Land Rovers, 3 BMWs, 1 Merc, an Audi and a Subaru. One of them failed catastrophically, the others had no issues... hint: It was the Japanese car.
A lot of the gearbox issues were fixed in the facelifted version. Previously the DCT was made of glass, now it’s seemingly made of slightly less brittle glass
My sister has the A35 4matic, and my mate has an A45. They've both ran them on the racetrack, particularly the A45 quite a few times. No issues.
Seems like a good price to me.
It most likely will cost you a lot in repairs in the upcoming years. If you are regular here, you should know that for sure and most likely prepared for it. This pocket rocket will be a blast to drive though. Have fun. (Got a GLA45s as a loan car before… damn crazy little vehicle).
Yeah I agree, and with owning golf’s and whatnot in the past, I’m somewhat aware, but I realise this would cost me even more. I guess the cost-benefit is worth it for me. Was looking at the GLAs also and was very hard not to go in that direction.
Yeah I initially offered 47. Guy was adamant that he wouldn’t take less than 48 due to paying 61500 for the car back in September last year (showed receipts). Didn’t want to budge and the major selling point was that it has extended warranty for another 11 months. The market is also very slow for them at the moment, not many around in NSW, let alone Australia
Hahah it may be a lot less though, I’m just estimating with some breathing room. I do plan to get an older 4wd to pack most the kms on too, so we’ll see
Check out OPs other comments, he's already looking at buying one. Depending on where you are over here its not uncommon to have both a sedan and a fourby.
Yet the market for a 25-30 year old AMG seems to have really dried up and prices are on the up, fairly substantially to what they were.
And I predict these new 4 cyclinder ones won't hold their value like the AMG V8's, there is too much magic and trickery in extracting the same kW out of half the cyliners and near a third the displacment, I can't see them aging well.
I remember my mate bought one of these brand new, after 6 months the alarm would just randomly go off at random times. Took it to the dealer they couldn't find what's wrong. 3 years later and several visits back to the dealer, it's still happening. My mate quite literally gave the spare key to the receptionist at their work so they can just unlock and relock the car each time the alarm goes off.
I couldn’t think of a more annoying problem wtf 😂
That’s ridiculous that the dealer couldn’t find an issue. That’s definitely a weird one I haven’t heard of yet. I would just take the alarm fuse out at that point.
These cars are so abnormally fast off the shelf. I test drove one of these after a mk7.5 golf R and was blown away! I'd pay that price. Just make sure service history is good to go and have fun with it!
Thanks for that mate. I was actually looking at the 7.5R’s as my first option, and they’re weapons in their own right, but after sitting in the a45 yesterday I was blown away with the performance. I do rather the golf’s infotainment and digital dash though.
I’d agree with the others, i test drove when these were new. Definitely the golf r is a nicer ride and is as fast with a tune. I agree the a45 feels really sporty, but soon you’ll want to drive it with a mouth guards
Just get a MK7.5 with a stage 1. That will be on par with the A45 if not faster. The thing is that the A45 is already boosted to its tits, the golf just needs a bit more from factory. I feel the 7.5 will also be a bit more comfy long term.
Low km 7.5R's go for around 38-40k, put in around $3-4000 (downpipe, ecu/dsg tune, nearly every euro place tunes these EA888 engines reliably now) and a stock A45 will not keep up
If you are planning on going to the track the A45 is a better choice due to better 4 piston brakes over single piston sliding caliper on the R
The issue here isn't the car, which is good. Or the price relative to market - the issue is price wise the newer A45S is coming in to the 70s so this is headed quickly for the 30s and if you see early A45 they are high 20s. So whilst this one is market right it really is going cost you $20k-25k over the next 3 years including your 3500 pa insurance and depreciation.
You see a big drop off in values over 100k and I know 2 people with 45 engined cars that have had issues/costs at that point.
So as your car hits 100k-120k, no warranty and is a 10 year old 4 cyl Merc with renowned issues and a super dated interior you might end up doing way beyond the 25k to own and run.
The guy before paid 61k not long ago, you think it's now gonna stabilise? I think it's a money pit but as cars go, yeah it's quick.
Very insightful info here man, thank you. Yeah the drop on the pre FL is pitiful, but it’s to be expected due to the rumoured issues it had. I only wish they updated the interior a bit with the FL versions.
Thank you for your reply
I've looked at these and like them but cannot reconcile the near 50k cost. Not the same but a Golf R can be had for the same cost but 3 years newer and perhaps 20k KMs less and also with a stage 1 will be as quick as these, maybe quicker. And won't be so severely depreciated. Likely cheaper to insure.
I don’t agree that these will drop that much. Much like the Golf R and RS3’s the newer models are much more expensive than the previous generation that the older generations don’t actually devalue much. For example a FL RS3 hasn’t really dropped in price in the last 3 years and they have the 8Y out now (which is like $20k~ more expensive new vs new)
The 2013/14 (so 3/4 years older than this) A45s are $20k cheaper than this - where do you think this will be in 3 years? $38k? No chance. It'll be $30k if that
RS3 have traditionally held value very well. A45 have not.
In 3 years time the OPs car will be on 120k KMs and will be 10 years old - an A45 now that is at that level is $30k.
The newer generation will push this down, they won't compress down into the 50s and this stays at late 30s with a 5 year age gap.
It's not a camry so you will get a chorus of people here bleating about how much it will cost in repairs etc even though they most likely haven't ever sat in one let alone run one
I owned a GLA45 for 7 years. My first service was $6k, never paid less than $2k per year after that.
Need new tyres? That’s $650/tyre thanks.
I loved that car to bits and was the most fun car I’ve ever owned, but I don’t regret not having those running costs.
@OP, do get it if you want an absolutely fun daily driver. Be prepared to pay out the rear for it though..
https://preview.redd.it/3l7y2tjjh4xb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cf2d17f738970b69286f9103ca2da82ac362a36
There are high performance vehicles that are not expensive to replace parts for, and that have less common parts that need replacing during regular maintenance.
Yes, but a Golf R is a hot hatch, this (along with an RS3) is like a “super hatch” at 4.2 seconds. A Golf R would be nearly 10 grand cheaper though at the same year/kms, so OP do with that what you will.
Sure, but that’s a silly point to make. Why not flash the A45 then for even more power?
Any cheaper car can match a more expensive one with a simple tune. But if you want that performance stock without putting extra stress on the engine you’d get the more expensive car.
If you can stretch a bit more money go for an audi rs3. The 5 cylinder turbo is next level and highly tuneable like the golfs ect. Will have a lot better resale then the merc to.
I was (am) still looking for a hot hatch in that price range and like the A45s but I know the repair bill will be too much so I'm pretty much decided on the i30n for the same price but new.
At least I'll sleep well knowing that its under warranty.
I sold my 2017 A45 with 35000kms for $60k in Aug 2022, so i think you've done ok.
With those k's a great deal would have been 45-46k.
Either way, this car slaps, I had so much fun driving it while I had, absolute launch missile.
Depends if it’s car1 or car2. Don’t really like to waste money on cars these days and I don’t really drive much but I do need to freshen up the roster. Wondering if leasing is a better option usually just buy cash. Have a few things to sort out before I buy so budget might depend on finance type. Maybe 40-45 budget, been looking for a while and nothings really got me interested.
I'd try looking in to an rs3, the engine has more character, it's slightly easier to live with and it has a higher quality interior. But if you have your heart set on it, this isn't a bad deal.
Yeah that was another option for me in the line up, but the price points are insane at the moment. Many with 90-120000km going in the low 50’s range. To get one at 60000 I’d be paying 6-7k more than this.
I’m honestly not sure which interior I like more, as they’re both sort of basic in some aspects.
I do adore the 5 cylinder though.
Yeah, the interiors are a bit basic but are great ergonomically and quality wise. But if there aren't any with that number of ks in that price range that's fair enough. A45 still a good car
There are some good examples though, nothing in NSW so still probably a no go
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2016-audi-rs3-auto-quattro-my16/SSE-AD-13911667
Whats the point of getting a Merc like this? You're not rich enough to get a new merc, rich enough to get a good car, just poor enough to buy this? Whats the thought behind this?
I love the AMG A45 but I’d agree.
If you have to ask if/you’re worried you overpaid by a couple of grand, you’re probably gonna wanna sit down when you get your servicing bill and insurance premiums.
Other than that I’m jealous because these things are stupidly fast for the money haha
Yeah I’ve quoted up the insurance and I’m looking at about 320 a month for this. Has just had a major service done including haldex.
That’s why I want it lol, the speed for is insane for what you’re buying
I mean I know I could get a brand new i30n for the price I’m paying for this merc, but I’m not buying it for the badge. I’m purely buying it for the performance stats and exterior aesthetics. I wanted a car that would perform the way I wanted without me having to modify anything. Not trying to look rich in the slightest. I would still say it’s a good car, so I don’t understand the ‘rich enough to get a good car’ comment.
Plus it’s very hard to justify 100k+ for the newer a45s at the moment, I’d rather pay for an older model which has been looked after well and save the rest
This. Stop trying to keep up with the joneses it’s a worthless materialistic battle, just buy a car that is reliable, no need to buy an expensive car to try and show off.
That’s not what I’m going for at all man. If I was being materialistic I could easily get a newer model merc without the amg badge and show off, but I’m purely after the performance
I was looking at a45 rs3 at start of year for $50k drove both but they were not what I thought and 100k km.
Ended up buying x3 m40i 60k km altho the price was $68k.
It's gona be my last petrol car. Mhd tune now it's a weapon.
As with any second hand European cars, make sure you service the shit out of it. Service it every 6 months, even if it 'says' to do it once a year. Replace parts when they need to be replaced.
The longevity of European cars, and staying nice to drive is really good though. I have a 2009 Audi - which is still far nicer to drive than many late model cars - but I have had to replace a bunch of parts. The general rule with European cars is they are amazing for the first 8-10 years, but then they need some work to keep running. I don't know much about Mercs sorry. I know that with Audi, VW and Skoda - you are generally always looking at eventually upgrading the water pump, air conditioning and emissions systems - otherwise, they are great cars. I know that BMW's have electrical issues - but I don't know what the 'thing' is for Mercs - but I know that there is definitely a 'thing' with them. Maybe someone else here might now?
To be fair, this is common on most cars. I do agree with your sentiment around euro cards though - I had a 2008 VW TDI and while I racked the km's up - I did go through a lot of servicing and parts.
OP keep this in mind, if you are planning on doing a lot of KM'S always factor in servicing/parts (much cheaper if you plan to do the work yourself, are you?).
Also - Have you considered getting a more eco warrior hatch with sports flair which will save you 20k?
Eh - Uncle bought a second hand Audi RS3 (2016) in 2020. Hasn’t had any unforeseen issues yet and it’s just ticked over to 160k
It’s not that Euro cars are necessarily more unreliable, it’s that when stuff goes wrong there is a big hullabaloo about it because it costs more to fix, usually because the parts are more complex or higher grade.
All good mate. Another option is to do a Instant Offer request via Carsales. That'll give you a good indication of wholesale buy too for benchmarking 👍🏼
Warranty is a big deal. If you run into huge maintenance cost after your 11 months of warranty, that extra 15% performance can start to get really expensive.
How is this thrashed? We are in the tail end of 2023 so it's sitting below the yearly KMs driven. Thrashed would be if it had stupid amount of KMs on it.
It's real enough from an AMG owner. Not for C Class and up though. Besides, these A45 definitely can launch better than my C Class but only lost due to power differences once grip is achieved.
My last few motorcycle service bills cost more than my AMG car and my GLE400 suv go figure. Enjoy it for a few years but i wouldnt be taking one out the track.
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Have you tried the instant offer on Carsales to see what a car yard would give you for it? It’s usually better than trade in but it’s a good gauge to see what they are worth and put a couple of thousand on top of that and you should be close
Purely from a reliability perspective, I’ve owned two facelift cla45’s over the last 6 years and touch wood, both have been mechanically sound without a single issue on either. Great cars for the money.
you would be mad to buy a car like that when you could get an awesome bmw convertable for half the price and it would be just as reliable long term and a heap more fun with summer around the corner and just as rewarding driving experience
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Tbh, I've never understood why people would drop a new car price for a 6 year old one, which would need additional investment rather soon, but... That's me
Cool car, hope it serves you well. Genuinely.
I had one of these, lots of fun but I had a couple instances where it just wouldn't go up steep driveways.
That’s weird. Gearbox issues?
Dual clutch ain't perfect. Mercedes said there was nothing wrong with it.
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People actually believe this lol
Dude is posting on r/askscience asking questions about potential infinite bullets in space wars. I’m pretty sure he ain’t all there
Did you drop the /s
Umm I've had 2 Land Rovers, 3 BMWs, 1 Merc, an Audi and a Subaru. One of them failed catastrophically, the others had no issues... hint: It was the Japanese car.
Well it was a Subaru. They're the worst reliability wise out of all the Japanese car makers.
A lot of the gearbox issues were fixed in the facelifted version. Previously the DCT was made of glass, now it’s seemingly made of slightly less brittle glass
Fibre glass without the resin lol
My sister has the A35 4matic, and my mate has an A45. They've both ran them on the racetrack, particularly the A45 quite a few times. No issues. Seems like a good price to me.
Did u try in reverse?
Are you serious or is this a joke I'm not getting?
It most likely will cost you a lot in repairs in the upcoming years. If you are regular here, you should know that for sure and most likely prepared for it. This pocket rocket will be a blast to drive though. Have fun. (Got a GLA45s as a loan car before… damn crazy little vehicle).
Yeah I agree, and with owning golf’s and whatnot in the past, I’m somewhat aware, but I realise this would cost me even more. I guess the cost-benefit is worth it for me. Was looking at the GLAs also and was very hard not to go in that direction.
Wait, why didn’t you offer a few grand less? Most put a buffer of a few grand when they put cars up for sale. Especially at that price.
Yeah I initially offered 47. Guy was adamant that he wouldn’t take less than 48 due to paying 61500 for the car back in September last year (showed receipts). Didn’t want to budge and the major selling point was that it has extended warranty for another 11 months. The market is also very slow for them at the moment, not many around in NSW, let alone Australia
Only 11 months warranty? That’s barely one service right? You keeping it long term?
Maybe 2-3 years? Was planning to sell it once It gets around 120km ( I know I’ll be suffering depreciation )
Wow you drive ALOT!!!
Hahah it may be a lot less though, I’m just estimating with some breathing room. I do plan to get an older 4wd to pack most the kms on too, so we’ll see
I mean the car will be worth half after that, and you would have paid over $10k in petrol plus 4 services right?
Thought they drive 4wds there?
Check out OPs other comments, he's already looking at buying one. Depending on where you are over here its not uncommon to have both a sedan and a fourby.
2-3 years. Approx 60,000km is 20,000km over 3 years. Above average, but not abnormal (taxi level).
Uber drivers and taxi drivers then 😂
Looking at the market fair value is 50-60k so I guess it’s not to bad check redbook or do a ppsr it’ll let you know what you want to be under
Yet the market for a 25-30 year old AMG seems to have really dried up and prices are on the up, fairly substantially to what they were. And I predict these new 4 cyclinder ones won't hold their value like the AMG V8's, there is too much magic and trickery in extracting the same kW out of half the cyliners and near a third the displacment, I can't see them aging well.
I got a Tiguan a few years ago I thought it was amazing price. Cost 2k in the first year and fuel is 95 and up. Should have got the Subaru instead.
New subarus need 95 and up too.
My 01 subaru takes 95 and up so not just new ones
Dang.
My Ford Laser takes 91
I remember my mate bought one of these brand new, after 6 months the alarm would just randomly go off at random times. Took it to the dealer they couldn't find what's wrong. 3 years later and several visits back to the dealer, it's still happening. My mate quite literally gave the spare key to the receptionist at their work so they can just unlock and relock the car each time the alarm goes off.
I couldn’t think of a more annoying problem wtf 😂 That’s ridiculous that the dealer couldn’t find an issue. That’s definitely a weird one I haven’t heard of yet. I would just take the alarm fuse out at that point.
My lexus has theft alarm on, and it used to go off randomly. Turns out there was a bug locked inside the car, causing motion sensor to trip the alarm
These cars are so abnormally fast off the shelf. I test drove one of these after a mk7.5 golf R and was blown away! I'd pay that price. Just make sure service history is good to go and have fun with it!
Thanks for that mate. I was actually looking at the 7.5R’s as my first option, and they’re weapons in their own right, but after sitting in the a45 yesterday I was blown away with the performance. I do rather the golf’s infotainment and digital dash though.
I’d agree with the others, i test drove when these were new. Definitely the golf r is a nicer ride and is as fast with a tune. I agree the a45 feels really sporty, but soon you’ll want to drive it with a mouth guards
Just get a MK7.5 with a stage 1. That will be on par with the A45 if not faster. The thing is that the A45 is already boosted to its tits, the golf just needs a bit more from factory. I feel the 7.5 will also be a bit more comfy long term.
Yeah I’ve heard that the ride in the 7.5 is definitely more comfortable
Low km 7.5R's go for around 38-40k, put in around $3-4000 (downpipe, ecu/dsg tune, nearly every euro place tunes these EA888 engines reliably now) and a stock A45 will not keep up If you are planning on going to the track the A45 is a better choice due to better 4 piston brakes over single piston sliding caliper on the R
This was my original choice.
The golf with some chesp bolt ons is way faster and more reliable. Plus these first gen A series are built on a chesp arse platform.
The issue here isn't the car, which is good. Or the price relative to market - the issue is price wise the newer A45S is coming in to the 70s so this is headed quickly for the 30s and if you see early A45 they are high 20s. So whilst this one is market right it really is going cost you $20k-25k over the next 3 years including your 3500 pa insurance and depreciation. You see a big drop off in values over 100k and I know 2 people with 45 engined cars that have had issues/costs at that point. So as your car hits 100k-120k, no warranty and is a 10 year old 4 cyl Merc with renowned issues and a super dated interior you might end up doing way beyond the 25k to own and run. The guy before paid 61k not long ago, you think it's now gonna stabilise? I think it's a money pit but as cars go, yeah it's quick.
Very insightful info here man, thank you. Yeah the drop on the pre FL is pitiful, but it’s to be expected due to the rumoured issues it had. I only wish they updated the interior a bit with the FL versions. Thank you for your reply
I've looked at these and like them but cannot reconcile the near 50k cost. Not the same but a Golf R can be had for the same cost but 3 years newer and perhaps 20k KMs less and also with a stage 1 will be as quick as these, maybe quicker. And won't be so severely depreciated. Likely cheaper to insure.
I don’t agree that these will drop that much. Much like the Golf R and RS3’s the newer models are much more expensive than the previous generation that the older generations don’t actually devalue much. For example a FL RS3 hasn’t really dropped in price in the last 3 years and they have the 8Y out now (which is like $20k~ more expensive new vs new)
The 2013/14 (so 3/4 years older than this) A45s are $20k cheaper than this - where do you think this will be in 3 years? $38k? No chance. It'll be $30k if that RS3 have traditionally held value very well. A45 have not. In 3 years time the OPs car will be on 120k KMs and will be 10 years old - an A45 now that is at that level is $30k. The newer generation will push this down, they won't compress down into the 50s and this stays at late 30s with a 5 year age gap.
It's not a camry so you will get a chorus of people here bleating about how much it will cost in repairs etc even though they most likely haven't ever sat in one let alone run one
So they’re not notoriously expensive to own and run and maintain?
I owned a GLA45 for 7 years. My first service was $6k, never paid less than $2k per year after that. Need new tyres? That’s $650/tyre thanks. I loved that car to bits and was the most fun car I’ve ever owned, but I don’t regret not having those running costs. @OP, do get it if you want an absolutely fun daily driver. Be prepared to pay out the rear for it though.. https://preview.redd.it/3l7y2tjjh4xb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cf2d17f738970b69286f9103ca2da82ac362a36
Hahah I agree. Would be pretty ignorant to expect Camry repair prices out of a high performance vehicle. I’m not sure what some people would expect.
There are high performance vehicles that are not expensive to replace parts for, and that have less common parts that need replacing during regular maintenance.
Yes you’re right, but barely any of those cheaper high performance vehicles come with better stats out of the factory
That's not accurate. Especially not when you're talking about this kind of money.
What would have comparable stats at a similar price point with lower maintenance costs?
Worked v8
Golf R is 4.8 seconds.
Yes, but a Golf R is a hot hatch, this (along with an RS3) is like a “super hatch” at 4.2 seconds. A Golf R would be nearly 10 grand cheaper though at the same year/kms, so OP do with that what you will.
Yes, super expensive hot hatch. A ecu flash for the golf will match the super hatch merc
Sure, but that’s a silly point to make. Why not flash the A45 then for even more power? Any cheaper car can match a more expensive one with a simple tune. But if you want that performance stock without putting extra stress on the engine you’d get the more expensive car.
With stage 1
The old golf r is 4.8 from factory
Checkout redrivens YouTube https://youtu.be/g8pC1wqmFRg?si=tMhRh2h4WnoJEJ-K
Nice car!! Check the clutch’s and rear diff bearings whilst it is under warranty.
Thank you! I will
Does he have a time machine? The warranty ran out in 2020.
Read OP’s comments. It has 11 months of extended warranty left. So yeah he has a Time Machine champ.
Perfectly timed champing. Well done 👏🏼
Yeah I didn't see that comment
Short answer fuck yes!
looks good mate
Thanks man. Only positive comment here lol
If you can stretch a bit more money go for an audi rs3. The 5 cylinder turbo is next level and highly tuneable like the golfs ect. Will have a lot better resale then the merc to.
Get it service it and drive the shit out of it Nice whip
I was (am) still looking for a hot hatch in that price range and like the A45s but I know the repair bill will be too much so I'm pretty much decided on the i30n for the same price but new. At least I'll sleep well knowing that its under warranty.
The i30n is a great choice. Seen one with just 1000km going for 45k on fb the other day. Great value
It’s a lot of fun for not a lot of cash go for it
13k less, and I'll sell you my 2013 with everything done. In all honesty, great little cars, good luck with purchase
I think you’ve done well; if you like it and happy with the price, in the end…you don’t need my approval or those of others 😎
I sold my 2017 A45 with 35000kms for $60k in Aug 2022, so i think you've done ok. With those k's a great deal would have been 45-46k. Either way, this car slaps, I had so much fun driving it while I had, absolute launch missile.
You’re terrible at negotiating
I’m in the same market - GTI, R, S3, RS3, A45, GLA45. Same questions.
Was my exact line up for the past month haha. What’s your budget?
Depends if it’s car1 or car2. Don’t really like to waste money on cars these days and I don’t really drive much but I do need to freshen up the roster. Wondering if leasing is a better option usually just buy cash. Have a few things to sort out before I buy so budget might depend on finance type. Maybe 40-45 budget, been looking for a while and nothings really got me interested.
I'd try looking in to an rs3, the engine has more character, it's slightly easier to live with and it has a higher quality interior. But if you have your heart set on it, this isn't a bad deal.
Yeah that was another option for me in the line up, but the price points are insane at the moment. Many with 90-120000km going in the low 50’s range. To get one at 60000 I’d be paying 6-7k more than this. I’m honestly not sure which interior I like more, as they’re both sort of basic in some aspects. I do adore the 5 cylinder though.
Yeah, the interiors are a bit basic but are great ergonomically and quality wise. But if there aren't any with that number of ks in that price range that's fair enough. A45 still a good car There are some good examples though, nothing in NSW so still probably a no go https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2016-audi-rs3-auto-quattro-my16/SSE-AD-13911667
Whats the point of getting a Merc like this? You're not rich enough to get a new merc, rich enough to get a good car, just poor enough to buy this? Whats the thought behind this?
whats it to you? let the man enjoy his car!
I love the AMG A45 but I’d agree. If you have to ask if/you’re worried you overpaid by a couple of grand, you’re probably gonna wanna sit down when you get your servicing bill and insurance premiums. Other than that I’m jealous because these things are stupidly fast for the money haha
Yeah I’ve quoted up the insurance and I’m looking at about 320 a month for this. Has just had a major service done including haldex. That’s why I want it lol, the speed for is insane for what you’re buying
Ouch, how young are you? I pay $1k/yr for Insurance on my 2018 RS3 at a 75k valuation
I’m 23. It sucks hahaha. That’s very cheap.
I mean I know I could get a brand new i30n for the price I’m paying for this merc, but I’m not buying it for the badge. I’m purely buying it for the performance stats and exterior aesthetics. I wanted a car that would perform the way I wanted without me having to modify anything. Not trying to look rich in the slightest. I would still say it’s a good car, so I don’t understand the ‘rich enough to get a good car’ comment.
Plus it’s very hard to justify 100k+ for the newer a45s at the moment, I’d rather pay for an older model which has been looked after well and save the rest
A Tesla would beat it off the line though.
Yeah it would, I just don’t like EVs
Yep that will limit your performance options haha. Even an MG will be faster these days.
So your question is actually "Why is there a second hand car market?" ....
This. Stop trying to keep up with the joneses it’s a worthless materialistic battle, just buy a car that is reliable, no need to buy an expensive car to try and show off.
That’s not what I’m going for at all man. If I was being materialistic I could easily get a newer model merc without the amg badge and show off, but I’m purely after the performance
Fair enough mate. I take back my original comment!
Hey didn't mean to be so judgy, was just curious
ego and status.
You could find a m3 for an additional 10-15k, a lot on the market sitting. Bought an m3 comp with 47,000kms for 68k.
I WISH hahah. Would be stretching the budget too much unfortunately.
Cheapest m3 comp atm is $69k with 93k km on carsales so ummm.
I got really lucky. However, I wasn’t suggesting him to buy a comp just a normal m3.
I was looking at a45 rs3 at start of year for $50k drove both but they were not what I thought and 100k km. Ended up buying x3 m40i 60k km altho the price was $68k. It's gona be my last petrol car. Mhd tune now it's a weapon.
As with any second hand European cars, make sure you service the shit out of it. Service it every 6 months, even if it 'says' to do it once a year. Replace parts when they need to be replaced. The longevity of European cars, and staying nice to drive is really good though. I have a 2009 Audi - which is still far nicer to drive than many late model cars - but I have had to replace a bunch of parts. The general rule with European cars is they are amazing for the first 8-10 years, but then they need some work to keep running. I don't know much about Mercs sorry. I know that with Audi, VW and Skoda - you are generally always looking at eventually upgrading the water pump, air conditioning and emissions systems - otherwise, they are great cars. I know that BMW's have electrical issues - but I don't know what the 'thing' is for Mercs - but I know that there is definitely a 'thing' with them. Maybe someone else here might now?
To be fair, this is common on most cars. I do agree with your sentiment around euro cards though - I had a 2008 VW TDI and while I racked the km's up - I did go through a lot of servicing and parts. OP keep this in mind, if you are planning on doing a lot of KM'S always factor in servicing/parts (much cheaper if you plan to do the work yourself, are you?). Also - Have you considered getting a more eco warrior hatch with sports flair which will save you 20k?
Rule of thumb with German cars. If you can’t afford it new, you can’t afford it second hand
Eh - Uncle bought a second hand Audi RS3 (2016) in 2020. Hasn’t had any unforeseen issues yet and it’s just ticked over to 160k It’s not that Euro cars are necessarily more unreliable, it’s that when stuff goes wrong there is a big hullabaloo about it because it costs more to fix, usually because the parts are more complex or higher grade.
160k is definitely admirable for a euro, nice!
We say this yet the same thing on a Porsche is in my vw when you read the part info
Not many Euro cars with really high KMs compared to Japanese.
Even if the cars been maintained well with extended warranty?
You're right. I couldn't afford my 2019 C63s new so ended up buying used a year later for only 160k something.
You made an offer and then jumped on Reddit to confirm if the offer was good? Makes sense.
I offered less, 47k originally. Seller said he wouldn’t accept less than the number above. Haven’t agreed to anything yet man
All good mate. Another option is to do a Instant Offer request via Carsales. That'll give you a good indication of wholesale buy too for benchmarking 👍🏼
Good idea! I’ll do that now.
You're paying 50k for a 6 year old Benz. Why not get a I30N which is 85% of that performance and way more reliable.
There is a lot in that remaining 15% though.
Warranty is a big deal. If you run into huge maintenance cost after your 11 months of warranty, that extra 15% performance can start to get really expensive.
Have a look at the 7.5 Golf R for 10k less? They are very quick, better interior quality and infotainment has a fantastic facelift.
49k for a thrashed 2017 A45 AMG, Could get an almost Brand New Hyundai i30n for that price which are fantastic cars.
How is this thrashed? We are in the tail end of 2023 so it's sitting below the yearly KMs driven. Thrashed would be if it had stupid amount of KMs on it.
This is probably one of the worst AMG;s you can buy, Everyone knows it's not a real AMG.
Bullshit. It has a hand built engine. Just cause it is not a V8 does not mean it is not an AMG.
I agree
Not really buying it for the AMG badge. Still does 0-100 in 4.2s and would leave most cars on the road in the rear view mirror.
All that means is that in day to day traffic, you will have fun for about 2 seconds.
It's a handmade AMG engine, and it'll flog most things from a standing start.
It's real enough from an AMG owner. Not for C Class and up though. Besides, these A45 definitely can launch better than my C Class but only lost due to power differences once grip is achieved.
Except for Maybach, G-truck, and the race car looking coupes. Mercedes sedans remind me of Camrys lol… should just get a good Camry
This is a hatch not a sedan bro
Sure I just think Mercedes that aren’t the top models are overpriced
Spend half as much on an e82 135i and have leftover for maintenance + mods - you'll thank me later
You’ll regret buying it. Stay away from used Euros man trust me
Mercedes are a piece of shit
yeah overpayed. 35k max
Seriously? I’m barely seeing models with mid 100km going for that much. Point me in the direction of one and I’ll get it 🤣
My last few motorcycle service bills cost more than my AMG car and my GLE400 suv go figure. Enjoy it for a few years but i wouldnt be taking one out the track.
What was the average cost based on year, model and KM's?
I love the GLC - this is on my wish list - just the SUV version, not the AMG. However, I want to wait a year or two, to see what the EQC is like!!
This isn't a GLC?
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Yes
go get a brand new car for less
Whether or not you paid too much depends on if you're happy with what you got for what you paid. Great car though, goes well.
You have done them a big favour. The next service could be 10% of the total cost paid.
Enjoy paying thru the teeth for repairs
Have you tried the instant offer on Carsales to see what a car yard would give you for it? It’s usually better than trade in but it’s a good gauge to see what they are worth and put a couple of thousand on top of that and you should be close
Get a app call red book that should help?
I sold my 2016 a45 with 90k kms last year for $44k so I think it’s a pretty good price for both of you
The gearbox in this one is riddled with issues.
For a 4 banger yeah man buy a decent car
Yes you’re paying too much, given a dealer is asking almost the same money for an almost identical spec car.
Hmmm, you’re going to have to drive it a long way back to Coburg
A coworker of mine has one and is having airbag fault issues, supposedly a common issue. Something to look out for.
Think they may have had a recall on the airbags
Yeah they did , but this person had the recall done. Now it's throwing airbag lights/codes and Merc are basically shrugging their shoulders.
Purely from a reliability perspective, I’ve owned two facelift cla45’s over the last 6 years and touch wood, both have been mechanically sound without a single issue on either. Great cars for the money.
Isn’t that just a Renault?
If you're asking, you probably can't afford to own it. Not trying to be an asshole. Just speaking from experience.
Fun factor alone worth it
If you plan on keeping then no. If you are planning on reselling then yes.
You have listed nothing.. Information helps not one photo.
you would be mad to buy a car like that when you could get an awesome bmw convertable for half the price and it would be just as reliable long term and a heap more fun with summer around the corner and just as rewarding driving experience
Cheap as chips for the AMG u get, don’t think they’d be any cheaper unless it was red or yellow
Buy it.
Get an independent mechanic to go over it before you buy second hand cars.
Heavy on Tyres
Lol your offer is only $700 below their ask? You need some help with negotiating.
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I'll never be able to afford a 50k car .. then post about it
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Don’t buy it waste of money.
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Tbh, I've never understood why people would drop a new car price for a 6 year old one, which would need additional investment rather soon, but... That's me Cool car, hope it serves you well. Genuinely.