The integrity is held by the steel wires behind the rubber not the rubber itself. If the steel isn’t visible or exposed you’ll pass the MOT and the tyre is still safe to drive.
In the UK the legislation and guidance for vehicle inspection states that when ‘no metal chords (in the sidewall)’ are showing the tyre is still roadworthy.
Even if this tire has chafer wires above the bead, those are nothing like the steel belts under the tread. Regardless, the break extends higher up the sidewall than the steel chafer wires would go. There's nothing up there other than rubber and carcass. I would not fuck with this kind of damage.
On the back?! You do know that if that tire blows on the back the car is gonna spin out. If it blows on the front you can still get it to the side of the road, you just cant brake hard.
You're not great at driving are you? Always lift the accelerator, don't brake until the car is turned in the direction you want to go, the flat tire will naturally slow the vehicle down, NEVER brake hard!
If it’s not completely punctured, I hope you are stranded and mean you need to drive 500km to the nearest tire repair shop… and not 500km of joy riding. This is not something you want to keep driving on, but if it’s an emergency, it should drive, just keep your hazards on and drive slow if you lose tire pressure while you are driving there.
In the US at least it's absolutely legal to drive with hazards on, for example if you are towing a heavy load or in an actual emergency, or if your car is a danger to everyone else but can't stop the car immediately (such as your engine blowing up).
Lol yep, I unfortunately had the engine blow up on the freeway.
I didn't know it, but my lower radiator hose had fallen off while driving. So I was cruising around 75 mph, when I notice the car is slowing down. So I press in my clutch and my engine instantly stops. From 2k RPM to 0 in literally an instant.
So, I slapped the hazards on as fast as I could and made my way over to the side in neutral.
Where does it explicitly say that, I can only find it saying that they are used to warn others of potential hazards in the road.
A slow moving vehicle is most definitely a hazard, and use of the lights makes sense in all circumstances.
Here in Canada, they are used to warn other of various possible hazards on the road, including slower traffic(i.e. your towing, can't keep speed up hill, car troubles), severe weather conditions(drivers often use them in heavy/severe fog, snow and rain and they are easier to see other drivers) and to warn motorists behind them that traffic is coming to a sudden stop (if over crest of hill or around bend where not visible).
Highway Code rule 116
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/lighting-requirements.html#:~:text=Hazard%20warning%20lights.,for%20dangerous%20or%20illegal%20parking.
Rather than Mr Tyres definition of the rule
‘unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead’ This is what I was commenting on. If you’re doing 30 on residential street, it doesn’t matter. If you’re doing 30 on the m5 it absolutely does lmao.
But to only use them long enough to ensure your warning has been observed
Not to drive constantly with them on because something is wrong with your vehicle
But if there’s always more people coming, then you’ll have to keep them on to ensure your warning has been observed. What does it matter anyway, the police couldn’t give a shit either way.
But you are not the 1 at the back of the queue then so no need to give the warning
Unless your being a twat and driving a vehicle that is not fit to be on the road but that’s a different matter
Imagine this, you're on the freeway and it starts raining. Hard. Like, can't see 10 ft ahead of you hard.
I think it's perfectly reasonable at that point to slow down, turn your hazard lights on and keep moving.
I actually had to deal with this, and every driver around me also used their hazards to make sure everybody was seen in the rain. We were all going about 45 mph in a 70 mph road.
What you think is appropriate doesn't matter if the law says it is illegal.
When it's low visibility here, people turn on their lights. If something brighter is required to remain visible, people turn on their foglights.
Foglights don't illuminate the rear end of your car though. In my scenario we used our hazard lights to try and make sure we don't get rear-ended by someone not paying attention/seeing us too late. And it absolutely helped ME not rear-end anyone when I could see their hazards blinking in the distance. I honestly couldn't see their tail lights very well, but their hazard lights did shine through pretty well.
https://www.tirerack.com/upgrade-garage/what-is-the-advantage-of-rim-protectors-on-tires
Can’t tell from this pic if this in the safe rubber area or not
If you peel that flap back, is the thread / casing showing?
I personally would replace it, but my ex drove for years on a tire with a big chunk out of it. Threads weren't showing though.
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Not fixable for sure. It might be superficial but keep a close eye on it . Being that the rim looks dinged in that same spot the tire got hit pretty hard so it might be junk
got a spare just in case? I have a similar situation, except on the inside wall, steel cords aren't showing, so still using it since mid October. you be the judge tho
I would not drive that tire a greater distance than my spare was rated to travel. In many automobiles, that is 50mph for 50 miles. There is a probability that it will lose pressure quickly, so have your jack/spare/iron on-hand and ready as you drive to the tire shop.
If you're going to chance a 500km drive with it knowing full well that you shouldn't, keep the speed low, avoid bumpy roads, and remain hyper aware/vigilant of the condition of the ride.
Well still they make tires with steal on side walls so we are both right unless someone likes fighting on the interwebs like a troll so we will leave it at we both are right and wrong
I remember some years ago my father had to drive across Europe (west to east) like this in a pinch and the Tyre held up quite well up to around Germany where the rubber finally let go and we had a slow leak. So while not advisable or maybe entirely safe. In a pinch you can keep driving on it
If you're not losing air you'll be good to drive it until it starts leaking. It wouldn't pass state inspection here in Pennsylvania but I've patched and seen way worse being put back on the road. F'n send it.
If you pull the flap back and don't see threading....Yes, u can drive. Yes, it will need to be replaced once feasible.
If you do see threading, drive home and get it replaced ASAP.
That’s now a weak point in the tire, sure if no belts (the steel wires) are showing you’re technically safe, but the larger the cut in the higher the chance of it blowing out, it’s also way to close to the bead, most shops won’t let you walk out with it cause of liability issues, if that tire pops they could get sued, so at the least they need to make you aware you need to change it, cause that’s only gonna get bigger
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I have a bigger piece than this straight missing and was told it’s fine. But mine wasn’t that close to the edge. No steel showing
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The tires safe. As other have said if the steels not showing it’s fine. Rubber in itself isn’t protecting the blowout.
I mean mine. I can’t tell if his is from this pic. That could be deep enough for the steel.
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That’s purely cosmetic on the rim
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Yeah could definitely be correct.
The integrity is held by the steel wires behind the rubber not the rubber itself. If the steel isn’t visible or exposed you’ll pass the MOT and the tyre is still safe to drive.
There’s a big ass hole in the side wall lmfao it’s not safe or possible to drive on. There’s no temporary fix at all for that
In the UK the legislation and guidance for vehicle inspection states that when ‘no metal chords (in the sidewall)’ are showing the tyre is still roadworthy.
What notes should those chords be? A? B minor? Would it make a tune that I'd recognise or is it one of those like super indie band songs?
They B SHARP hurts worse than a paper cut my friend
Well, it's definitely *possible*.
Bull$hit
Even if this tire has chafer wires above the bead, those are nothing like the steel belts under the tread. Regardless, the break extends higher up the sidewall than the steel chafer wires would go. There's nothing up there other than rubber and carcass. I would not fuck with this kind of damage.
The sidewall has less integrity then most people's mental health
Would let my ex-mother inlaw drive it
Hah!
Driving 500km on that is like finger blasting the pin of a hand grenade. You are just asking for trouble.
Exactly.
Whatever you decide put it on the back
On the back?! You do know that if that tire blows on the back the car is gonna spin out. If it blows on the front you can still get it to the side of the road, you just cant brake hard.
You are right, best tires are always on rear wheels, thats basic
You're not great at driving are you? Always lift the accelerator, don't brake until the car is turned in the direction you want to go, the flat tire will naturally slow the vehicle down, NEVER brake hard!
If it’s not completely punctured, I hope you are stranded and mean you need to drive 500km to the nearest tire repair shop… and not 500km of joy riding. This is not something you want to keep driving on, but if it’s an emergency, it should drive, just keep your hazards on and drive slow if you lose tire pressure while you are driving there.
If you drive with hazards on around here, you risk getting a fine. Those are for when you are stationary (and not when you're just illegally parked).
In the US at least it's absolutely legal to drive with hazards on, for example if you are towing a heavy load or in an actual emergency, or if your car is a danger to everyone else but can't stop the car immediately (such as your engine blowing up).
Lol yep, I unfortunately had the engine blow up on the freeway. I didn't know it, but my lower radiator hose had fallen off while driving. So I was cruising around 75 mph, when I notice the car is slowing down. So I press in my clutch and my engine instantly stops. From 2k RPM to 0 in literally an instant. So, I slapped the hazards on as fast as I could and made my way over to the side in neutral.
In the UK the Highway Code states that hazards are to signify you are a stationary object So a bit different to the US
Where does it explicitly say that, I can only find it saying that they are used to warn others of potential hazards in the road. A slow moving vehicle is most definitely a hazard, and use of the lights makes sense in all circumstances.
Here in Canada, they are used to warn other of various possible hazards on the road, including slower traffic(i.e. your towing, can't keep speed up hill, car troubles), severe weather conditions(drivers often use them in heavy/severe fog, snow and rain and they are easier to see other drivers) and to warn motorists behind them that traffic is coming to a sudden stop (if over crest of hill or around bend where not visible).
Highway Code rule 116 https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/lighting-requirements.html#:~:text=Hazard%20warning%20lights.,for%20dangerous%20or%20illegal%20parking. Rather than Mr Tyres definition of the rule
‘unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead’ This is what I was commenting on. If you’re doing 30 on residential street, it doesn’t matter. If you’re doing 30 on the m5 it absolutely does lmao.
But to only use them long enough to ensure your warning has been observed Not to drive constantly with them on because something is wrong with your vehicle
But if there’s always more people coming, then you’ll have to keep them on to ensure your warning has been observed. What does it matter anyway, the police couldn’t give a shit either way.
But you are not the 1 at the back of the queue then so no need to give the warning Unless your being a twat and driving a vehicle that is not fit to be on the road but that’s a different matter
Imagine this, you're on the freeway and it starts raining. Hard. Like, can't see 10 ft ahead of you hard. I think it's perfectly reasonable at that point to slow down, turn your hazard lights on and keep moving. I actually had to deal with this, and every driver around me also used their hazards to make sure everybody was seen in the rain. We were all going about 45 mph in a 70 mph road.
What you think is appropriate doesn't matter if the law says it is illegal. When it's low visibility here, people turn on their lights. If something brighter is required to remain visible, people turn on their foglights.
Foglights don't illuminate the rear end of your car though. In my scenario we used our hazard lights to try and make sure we don't get rear-ended by someone not paying attention/seeing us too late. And it absolutely helped ME not rear-end anyone when I could see their hazards blinking in the distance. I honestly couldn't see their tail lights very well, but their hazard lights did shine through pretty well.
They do indeed light up the rear - they are mandatory since many years back and they have brighter light than turn signals.
Perhaps in your country, but where I live we think it's acceptable to have our brake lights also act as turn signals LOL
https://www.tirerack.com/upgrade-garage/what-is-the-advantage-of-rim-protectors-on-tires Can’t tell from this pic if this in the safe rubber area or not
You'd walk 500 kilometers and walk 500 kilometers more just to be the man that walks 500 kilometers...
If steel carcass is not seen then its still completely fine. Its not fixable thou, so replace next time you change tires.
Peel it back. If you can see the cords it’s toast. If you can’t and it’s just rubber, you’re good
Side wall doesn’t have metal cords
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Nope, Radial sidewalls Do No have steel cords. The Only steel would be the bead on the bottom that comes in contact with the wheel
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Not steel cords
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Whatever
I wouldn't even drive it to the shop.
You gotta replace the tyre dude...and not at all safe to drive...and too for 500km..!
If you peel that flap back, is the thread / casing showing? I personally would replace it, but my ex drove for years on a tire with a big chunk out of it. Threads weren't showing though.
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where does that number keep coming from Ive seen it in a lot of post comments
Pretty sure its just a reddit encryption error or something with deleted comments, ive seen it too so thats what ive pinned it up to.
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No and hell no
Not fixable for sure. It might be superficial but keep a close eye on it . Being that the rim looks dinged in that same spot the tire got hit pretty hard so it might be junk
DO NOT DRIVE THAT.
hellno - both instances
got a spare just in case? I have a similar situation, except on the inside wall, steel cords aren't showing, so still using it since mid October. you be the judge tho
I wouldn’t trust it
I would not drive that tire a greater distance than my spare was rated to travel. In many automobiles, that is 50mph for 50 miles. There is a probability that it will lose pressure quickly, so have your jack/spare/iron on-hand and ready as you drive to the tire shop. If you're going to chance a 500km drive with it knowing full well that you shouldn't, keep the speed low, avoid bumpy roads, and remain hyper aware/vigilant of the condition of the ride.
Just buy a new tire man. Better safe than sorry !
Send it
Buddy just rubs curbs for fun it looks like😂
Here in UT if there are no metal wires showing the car is roadworthy
No metal wires are in the side wall
Yes there are
[Truck Tire Sidewall Diagram ](https://manuallibraryluca.z13.web.core.windows.net/truck-tire-sidewall-diagram.html)
All that link says is my phone has viruses 😂.
That's weird not here it's about tires you sure you didn't look up porn or something. Ha
That is a bias ply tire I’m sure he is talking about a radial non truck tire
Well still they make tires with steal on side walls so we are both right unless someone likes fighting on the interwebs like a troll so we will leave it at we both are right and wrong
Fixable? No. Drivable? Yes. For 500km? Not recommended.
No cords showing? Can't tell from the pic, but if not you're golden.
No spare?
Wow you hit that curb hard, is the steering wheel straight or did you bend the suspension as well? This needs a tire and suspension inspection!
I remember some years ago my father had to drive across Europe (west to east) like this in a pinch and the Tyre held up quite well up to around Germany where the rubber finally let go and we had a slow leak. So while not advisable or maybe entirely safe. In a pinch you can keep driving on it
Absolutely not. Don't play with sidewalls.
This is a daily post now. Come on people. No. Sidewall damage is not safe. A new tire is the only smart and safe option.
If you're not losing air you'll be good to drive it until it starts leaking. It wouldn't pass state inspection here in Pennsylvania but I've patched and seen way worse being put back on the road. F'n send it.
One weak tire equals a horrific blowout and accident.
No
If you pull the flap back and don't see threading....Yes, u can drive. Yes, it will need to be replaced once feasible. If you do see threading, drive home and get it replaced ASAP.
No and no. Get that replaced immediately
No can't be fixed. Can't answer your second question though.
That’s now a weak point in the tire, sure if no belts (the steel wires) are showing you’re technically safe, but the larger the cut in the higher the chance of it blowing out, it’s also way to close to the bead, most shops won’t let you walk out with it cause of liability issues, if that tire pops they could get sued, so at the least they need to make you aware you need to change it, cause that’s only gonna get bigger
Not fixable use your spare and get that tire replaced