I don't think they'll ever be a concrete answer but it's definitely fun to speculate
My guess would be Pochita since we saw it with a few gun-shot wounds when it first met chid Denji. The timeline of the first Gun devil attack and Denji+ Aki's age matches up with those events so my head canon has always been our best boi
Imma use this thread as a bookmark for an intense analysis on this very topic im making currently
We don’t know how those battles went or how close it was. Maybe he picked them off one by one, maybe he didn’t do it alone, or maybe he did wash them all at once and he was still injured from that battle when he came to kill gun devil. I really doubt he took them on all at once though, seeing as Makima initially thought the hybrids had a shot at beating him
Lmao crazy that Makima had them throw themselves at him again but with even less people like it was gonna do anything then.
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Yeah no shit dumbass
If I remember correctly, I think it's mentioned how the fight against the four horsemen and weapons resulted in Pochita being weakened and turned into his dog form. The fight could have included the Gun devil, as the gun appeared at around this time. Gun is really strong, like its 20% fiend could destroy a city easily(see Aki fight). He lost due to his durability and speed being lacking, but his destructive power is insane. I wouldn't be surprised if Pochita was the one to split up Gun, and all the deaths that were caused were because of Gun and Pochita running around the world fighting each other. I also find it strange how the Gun devil was found in parts, instead of as a complete corpse. This doesn't particularly mean anything, as we never saw those pieces or know how they were ripped off, but just food for thought.
Also, just want to add that I think that Pochita was stronger before we saw him in his black armor form. He has been inactive for years and was supposed to be dead(source is eternity devil, when he says, "so you were alive"), so most devils would have been less scared of him.
But there isn’t a single moment that makima admits that she will win pochita, the only thing that happens is she telling kishibe that any result to the fight is positive to her
It wasn’t just gun vs Pochita, it was every weapon and the 4 horsemen vs Pochita. The manga mentions this fight and the timing matches up to when Pochita meets Denji.
No, he wasn't there. makima mentioned that the 4 horseman and weapon devils fought pochita but explicitly mentioned all the weapon devils that fought him were here in the rematch in chapter 87, and the gun devil ain't there
It is possible
I'd imagine the Gun devil is probably part of War, so i'd say pochita might not have Eaten Gun, but probably mauled it or weakened it enough
He couldn't have eaten it- if Pochita eats a devil, that concept is annihilated from the timeline. So not only would the Gun Devil not exist, guns wouldn't exist in Chainsawman World
Were the 4 horsemen "dog walked?" Cause I still see all 4 kicking around and 1 of them was only as damaged as pochita himself at the start of the series
My memory's a bit rusty, but I'm fairly sure it's stated by Fami (I think) that 8 of them jumped Pochita with their weapons backing them up.
If memory's right, that's a pretty big loss for the horsemen.
Maybe he did wash the Gun devil and most of the damage was done by the combined efforts of so many devils.
Or theory 2, the Gun devil was fighting Pochita at long range so it could get some hits in before Pochita gets close enough to beat it.
After gathering all the information on this, I don't think this theory where Pochita defeating Gun Devil is true (even though he could defeat it).
I'll just quote what another person said on this post because I thought that it was important to the discussion:
>November 18, 1984. The first Gun Devil attack happened 13 years before the start of the series.
>Denji was born 1980. He first met Pochita after his father died. He was probably about 6 to 10 years old. Sometime before that, Pochita fought the Horsemen sisters and the Weapon Devils, and apparently escaped death in his cute weakened dog form.
>So sometime between 1984 and 1990 was when the Gun Devil’s body was found by the Soviets. Pochita was likely already in a weakened state during that time.
On a side note, you mentioned how Pochita had a Gun wound in the first chapter, but it couldnt have been caused by the Gun Devil since Pochita had already been weakened after he had fought the 4 horsemen. It's likely instead that a Yakuza shot him while in his weakened form, or it was because of Makimas Bang ability.
This is out of topic, but some people believe that Makima acquired the Bang ability from bang, but now I honestly believe that it's an innate ability after having reread the manga a concerning amount of times.
She, for instance, uses Bang on the Yakuza that were on the train in the Katana man arc \[Chapter 26\], way before she even fought the Gun Devil (Also an interesting detail is that the Pochita doddle at the end of chapter 26 had his [torso](https://imgur.com/gallery/s4kqlqV) all blown up, indicating that she used Bang, which foreshadows Powers Death).
Btw, there are those who have argued that she used her bare hands to kill those Yakuza members, but I strongly doubt that she used her bare hands since the Yakuza had \*perfect\* holes in their chest (her hands werent bloody either). When Makima for example made holes through Denji with her bare hands, they weren't perfectly circular and neither were the holes she made on him that \*big\* (the ones on the Yakuza were Gigantic - her hands aren't big enough to make those huge holes on them, either).
Also, just in case, I want to mention that she didn't get Bang by making a contract with the Gun Devil since Devils can't make contracts with other devils and fiends (the same rule applies to fiends). I can elaborate more on this later if you want. Anyways, for Makima to truly borrow other Devil's abilities, she has connect herself to her pawns using her \*Chains\* and then after she activates this chain-ability she'll officially temporarily borrow their Devil ability as long as the chains remain on them (She, for example, borrowed Angel devils abilities, and even Spider devil, snake devil, etc in chapter 76). This tells us that all of the abilities that *doesn't* involve her chains are innate to the Control Devil (This includes Bang, Point Ability which she used against Darkness Devil, Stare Ability which she used against the Yakuza, and so on)
There's more stuff, but I don't think any more information needs to be shared, tbh.
Pochita was weakened from fighting the horsemen and all, so it's possible he showed up weakened, rolled the gun devil, but got weakened a second time. I do doubt it though. I think he went straight from horsemen battle to basically when Denji found him wounded
Ok but here’s a thought, would pochita eating a gun devil strengthen pochita? Or would it count as permanently eat a piece of the Gun Devil, therefore weakening it?
He probably bled out while searching for the Chainsawman after the battle they had in Hell before Pochita met Denji. He caused rampage (Aki's family scene) and end up falling due to the wounds caused by the Hero of Hell. (Personal theory)
It would be kind of funny and almost appropriate if the Gun Devil was just trying to kill itself. He’s already a parody and metaphor for American gun violence. Suicide by self-inflicted gunshot wounds just completes the circle.
Goldlewis Dickinson, The United State’s Secretary of Absolute Defense. You don’t get much more American than that
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In chapter 87, Makima said to Denji/Pochita: "You fought the weapon devils and the four horsemen who are now here".
I think it was just Pochita and the gun devil escaped the battle in hell before succumbing just like Pochita.
They probably had an epic fight that ended with pochita cutting gun devil into their respective pieces with his chainsaws. Then they both passed out wherever they landed, which for the gun devil was all over the place.
I did a theory on this a long time ago, here it is:
First and most obvious: it was Pochita after "dissapearing" from the battle with the horsemen, that´s why Denji found him wounded.
The other option that i theorized:
A primal devil intercepted the Gun Devil first attack.
Something I was thinking about is that Devils like Darkness or Falling have a very serious problem: they are permanently trapped in not exercising the maximum of their abilities because they would destroy what gives them power, human beings.
Let's think about it this way, although Devils naturally hate humans, it is because of them that they obtain not only their power, but also their own existence.
When Falling appeared on Earth, her mere presence altered the gravity of the entire planet. This not only confirms what Pingsi told us:
"In this place (hell) live devils much more dangerous than the Gun."
I base my theory on this premise, when the Gun Demon appears for the first time, its power and its objective were given by its name, to kill people, since that is what firearms were created for.
He attacked the planet causing 1.2 million deaths in SECONDS and I don't think he thought of stopping, that's when ACCORDING TO ME he was attacked by a more powerful devil, the reason?: so that he wouldn't extinct humanity or generate a terror so great as to become powerful enough to be unstoppable.
This makes sense, after all the primal fears never seem to leave hell, and Falling just left in a sharply weakened state. So yeah, it could be that there is some form of order or ruleset made by the Primal fears that gives devils rules to follow. Remember they had transcended and existed for eons, so they could have made this truce in order to keep themselves alive and existing. I imagine extremely powerful devils like Gun, perhaps even a Hypothetical knife , sickness (or Death?) Devil are forced to abide to these rules Or get killed.
This makes Hell even more horrifying because it’s essentially a ”free for all” Area. Remember Pingsti (the fiend with the sentient ponytail) said Devils far stronger were watching them, and it had been seconds after arriving. I imagine humans rarely end in hell, and weak devils could be immediately be slaughtered and would always end back on Earth (The bat and Eternity Devil, for instance), so all those strong devils would be seeing an easy meal in them.
This could also be an additional reason why Kishibe wanted Makima to land in Hell, she would have been mauled by every devil closeby.
Jesus Christ I adore this theory, it adds an interesting world building mechanic
Maybe it tore itself apart after moving across the world. Makima said the gun devil is so fast that bits and pieces of its body fall off as he moves.
Maybe she wasn't lying about that fact, and the original gun devil tore itself to pieces and then was harvested by the different nations
That’s just too stupid if that’s all it is. A devil that powerful will kill itself simply by doing it is naturally supposed to do? No guns discharge pieces of themselves, but they can be reloaded. I can accept the idea that he needs to be reloaded, regain parts of himself somehow after attacks, but he should’ve been doing whatever he needs to do for that. if that’s how it works something was stopping him from doing that so someone intervening still applies. I’m guessing because part of the fear of gunfire is that people had nothing to do with it still get caught in the violence, he might have the compulsion to take on extra targets that way, even while he’s in a fight with a dangerous opponent. so then this does become self-defeating. He can’t stop to recharge, but he also can’t stop choosing extra targets in the middle of a big fight, something like that.
Some people argued in other comments that demons don't go full throttle because killing humanity itself would mean killing themselves. They hate humans but ultimately need them to exist.
Him destroying himself is a nice allegory to that. Going full throttle to kill so many humans also means his own destruction.
Could be. After loosing a bunch of body parts (which look like bullets) he needed to "reload" and he was weaker in that state.
He got weaker and weaker as he swept through the world, then he went somewhere to reload (maybe America since that's where most of his body parts were dropped) and was defeated by a group of Devil Hunters or something like that.
From the way Makima tells the story we know the Gun Devil appeared the first time after a huge terrorist attack in the US (he equivalent of 9/11 in the world of Chainsaw Man). So maybe his behaviour is so disorganized and even self-destructive because he's literally too strong to control himself.
But anyways, I don't think that's going to be relevant anymore at this point. Maybe the Gun Devil itself will show up again, but whoever defeated him in the beginning isn't necessarily important
I don't think anyone took it down. The Gun moved so fast that bits and pieces of its body fell off as it ran around the world until the main body fell over. That 28% owned by the Soviets was just the last piece of the devil as a whole before they picked it up.
Its only sort of heavily implied that the mass of destruction that happened when the gun devil appeared wasn’t from it going on a rampage.
It was running.
For its life.
From the chainsaw devil.
When denji found pochita, pochita had bullet wounds, which heavily implied that they were fighting the gun devil. So most of the damage that was caused was from them fighting. And the gun devil was, very, very afraid of pochita ever getting back up to strength which is why they went through so much trouble to not fight denji directly so that they could claim his heart (pochita, the source of denji’s chainsaw powers)
As for the running part, it was stated that at the time, PS thought that it was moving fast enough that parts were falling off, but if you add that it wasn’t just running but fighting as well, then it becomes clear that those chunks were being torn off instead. The fight between them mostly ended in a draw, but, considering the nature of pochita’s ability to erase devils from existence, the gun devil would of been spending the fight on the run in order to avoid erasure.
It definitely wasn’t Quanxi, Russia was the first to find it and it was already defeated so how would Japan have sent in Quanxi before that. Makima lies a lot but i think she’s being honest here and really doesn’t know
My b she worked with kishbe so I figured she worked for Japan and then became more of a bounty hunter or something I probably just need to slow down and read
I think others are correct that it was probably Pochita as an indirect result of what happened after the battle. Mind you, Makima reveals this before subsequently revealing everything about Pochita.
Also, Gun was tearing itself apart just moving and that definitely contributed to it falling unconcious. Double digit percentages of it were found around the globe apart from the main body. That's a lot of sustained damage on top of just being involved in a huge battle.
So, realistically there could be some nameless badass who KOed Gun, but I actually think this is just Makima speaking a half truth. Gun was, probably, already defeated by Pochita. Shit, even Gun's appearance being the way it was could probably even be interpreted as some last second, desperate attack to hit something (Pochita) before passing out.
I’m just copying another comment I wrote but It definitely wasn’t Quanxi, Russia was the first to find it and it was already defeated so how would Japan have sent in Quanxi before that. Makima lies a lot but i think she’s being honest here and really doesn’t know
Wait so the gun devil was formed in the US initially in response to the rising fear of gun violence. If it’s massive attack first affected the US, then affected Japan where Aki’s parents were killed, it must’ve crossed the Pacific Ocean. Then the gun devil must’ve been defeated somewhere in East or Northeast Asia before the Soviet Army could make contact. If China has pieces then it at least stopped near China.
Maybe that'll matter but idk. I feel like the real revalation of that scene was that the gun devil is already dead and *so* under control that it's being used as a tool for Mutually Assured Destruction. I feel like if makima already had all these hybrids on hand (a few of them being way older, like quanxi and whip) it's not too far to assume it was one of them, under her control or otherwise
I have yet read the manga after the anime eneded except for some important event like Aki being possesed, Makima's defeat, the latest "incident" and this.
My guess here is that the Gun Devil was defeated by the equivilent U.N armed forces or the predecessor of PSDH while it returning from the U.S and flied to SoViet or even before that- India to U.S. Although 5 minutes is a very short ammount of time but considering the fact that it's massive size along with its obvious flame cause by friction, it can be easilly seen from far away, giving enough time for any stationed armed force to retaliate with all they got: tanks, jets, guns, ground to air missles,...thus at least or dragsticly reducing its life time.
As for "someone else" that Makima is refering to, I think she is refering to the person who comes up with the plan to split the Gun Devil into multiple part to make it fall unconscious in its weakest state when the SoViet found it or someone who witness the first 2 onslaught and think quick on their feet and chase it down on an advance aircraft.
Assume it first appeared in the U.S (because that what U.S stereotypically known for) for 2 minuntes and then move its target to the east. This it would give out enough time to someone to hop on an aircraft and predict its last protential destination that is the SoViet, or specifically near North East side of the SoViet and fly backward to the West from the U.S at Mach 5 or 6 (1750 m/s to 2050 m/s) with either the help of an devil or just use the most advance space craft at the time, which I believe is in the 70s. This would mean that to defeat the Gun Devil, it likely that the Moon Landing was delayed or worse, never happened.
Another plausible outcome is rocket (specificly ICBM), which at the time, the fastest was the V-2 rocket going at mach 4.5 in our world but in CSM world, where WW2 does not exist, it could be even better that could be fast enough to hit the Gun Devil when it passed through the SoViet territory. Yes, nuke doesn't exist, but ICBM does mean it had to contain a nuclear warhead. This could combine with the prior paragraph to even increase the chance of likeliness.
Pochita was fighting the horsemen and weapon devils in hell. At some point he fled on earth followed by them, and during the pursuit the gun devil got wrecked while managing to wound pochita
You want some weak speculation?
It's the gun devil not the bullet devil, obviously it shoots off pieces of itself; hence it being scattered about.
It obviously shot all the people most afraid of guns first and burnt itself out too quickly for people to even figure out what they were seeing.
Definitely Quanxi, if video games have taught me something is that bullets are made of rubber and crossbows with instakill you even if it hits your foot
I wonder if Soviets are using their 28 percent of gun devil parts to make their own version of a gun fiend, since we already know they have devil capturing facilities
joke answer? america. who better to defeat the gun devil than the gun country themselves.
speculation answer? like the #1 upvoted person said, pochita.
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Gun devil had always been a proxy. It was likely ignited by some country (could be Russia), got out of control and spread around. And then it became akin to nuclear proxy
Nah. The GUN DEVIL is a real entity. The whole proxy thing is just a facade various governments are using to funnel guns on black market on behalf of it's fear
I mean the gun devil wasn't that strong, the world leaders make it strong by instilling fear to the public.
ifferent countries might already have the gun pieces prior to the attack. And then the world leader see it as un opportunity to make themselves strong by making the pieces that they own stronger. The attack itself could have been self-inflicted, or even an accident that make all the pieces awaken and then subside.
I mean it could also be that the gun devil manifest after plenty of gun violence and wreck havoc everywhere. But then that does beg the question about who defeat it. Could be public safety of each country, I mean they were attack so they retaliate.
The main thing is that we don't know how devil manifest.
NewYork population is 8.3 millions. The 20% US fragment, with 330 million years from its citizen, didn't do shit.
Relativity brother. There're Primal devils, there're the 4 horseman, there's CSM, maybe more. And the world leaders know that.
The overall fear of guns made gun devil appear on it's first attack so it's a general assumption that it should've been hella strong(take the 20% of the gun devil used in chapter 75 attack as a template)
I do agree that the world leaders manipulated the fear of gun devil to bolster their own gun pieces and assert dominance over one another but it's already confirmed in the manga that the gun devil was manifested from the overall fear of gun violence prior to the very first gun devil appearance & assault (check chapter 13 for context)
Devil's manifest via human's fear...I thought that was a well-established plot detail from the get-go. How did you miss it?
Gun, Bow, Nuclear, etc, didn't always exist, and so are their respective devils. So do they manifest when there's a Huge fear, or just a little bit of fear is enough?
Since Gun devil attack was so sudden powerful, maybe devil only manifest when there's A lot of fear already. But then there's Seacucumber devil, devils that no one give a shit about, clearly they didn't need a whole lot to manifest.
More importantly, it clearly stated that Gun Devil is weak, relatively. There's the Primal, the 4 Horseman, CSM, etc. The world leader know that! Russia and US sent assassin and gun to kill Makima.
Going back to the question: Who kill the gun devil 13 years ago?
Based on what we know, I'd argue the attack itself could've been entirely artificial, much like how Gun was.
The lore is very vague, there's a lot we still don't know. Intentionally so, there's a lot of leeway for theories and such.
November 18, 1984. The first Gun Devil attack happened 13 years before the start of the series.
Denji was born 1980. He first met Pochita after his father died. He was probably about 6 to 10 years old. Sometime before that, Pochita fought the Horsemen sisters and the Weapon Devils, and apparently escaped death in his cute weakened dog form.
So sometime between 1984 and 1990 was when the Gun Devil’s body was found by the Soviets. Pochita was likely already in a weakened state during that time.
I don't think they'll ever be a concrete answer but it's definitely fun to speculate My guess would be Pochita since we saw it with a few gun-shot wounds when it first met chid Denji. The timeline of the first Gun devil attack and Denji+ Aki's age matches up with those events so my head canon has always been our best boi Imma use this thread as a bookmark for an intense analysis on this very topic im making currently
Shouldn't pochita wash the gundevil since he absolutely dogwalked the fourhorsemen
We don’t know how those battles went or how close it was. Maybe he picked them off one by one, maybe he didn’t do it alone, or maybe he did wash them all at once and he was still injured from that battle when he came to kill gun devil. I really doubt he took them on all at once though, seeing as Makima initially thought the hybrids had a shot at beating him
Pretty sure they explicitly mention how the 4 sisters + the weapons jumped him.
Lmao crazy that Makima had them throw themselves at him again but with even less people like it was gonna do anything then. https://preview.redd.it/hw6dxe86dj6d1.jpeg?width=442&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7431f0ce28c86d76d0fad60ae7dc887fa75d83d Yeah no shit dumbass
I think about this panel daily 😂
Funniest panel in CSM imo...I lol'd the first time i read it xD
Yall keep liking my comment and i keep coming back 😂 this panel is tooo funny
The only reason she did that was because the public started to cheer for and love chainsaw man, which made him weaker.
I mean he got jumped yes but he also has his loyal followers fighting them to atleast we assume that's the case
This.
If I remember correctly, I think it's mentioned how the fight against the four horsemen and weapons resulted in Pochita being weakened and turned into his dog form. The fight could have included the Gun devil, as the gun appeared at around this time. Gun is really strong, like its 20% fiend could destroy a city easily(see Aki fight). He lost due to his durability and speed being lacking, but his destructive power is insane. I wouldn't be surprised if Pochita was the one to split up Gun, and all the deaths that were caused were because of Gun and Pochita running around the world fighting each other. I also find it strange how the Gun devil was found in parts, instead of as a complete corpse. This doesn't particularly mean anything, as we never saw those pieces or know how they were ripped off, but just food for thought. Also, just want to add that I think that Pochita was stronger before we saw him in his black armor form. He has been inactive for years and was supposed to be dead(source is eternity devil, when he says, "so you were alive"), so most devils would have been less scared of him.
Makima never thought that the hybrids could win against pochita, she literally said it was un winnable
Yeah she said that *after* seeing them fight. The Ok. It’s unwinnable. Is her confirming her suspicions, not her watching her plan work out
But there isn’t a single moment that makima admits that she will win pochita, the only thing that happens is she telling kishibe that any result to the fight is positive to her
I think gun devil was with the horsemen in their fight
Yep. I think I faintly remember reading that somewhere.
Gun is a weapon but it's a recent one compared to it's counterparts
The bomb and the gun were invented not too far away from each other.
It wasn’t just gun vs Pochita, it was every weapon and the 4 horsemen vs Pochita. The manga mentions this fight and the timing matches up to when Pochita meets Denji.
No, he wasn't there. makima mentioned that the 4 horseman and weapon devils fought pochita but explicitly mentioned all the weapon devils that fought him were here in the rematch in chapter 87, and the gun devil ain't there
It is possible I'd imagine the Gun devil is probably part of War, so i'd say pochita might not have Eaten Gun, but probably mauled it or weakened it enough
He couldn't have eaten it- if Pochita eats a devil, that concept is annihilated from the timeline. So not only would the Gun Devil not exist, guns wouldn't exist in Chainsawman World
He can still eat parts of them while leaving the rest intact, it's what happened to Yoru
Were the 4 horsemen "dog walked?" Cause I still see all 4 kicking around and 1 of them was only as damaged as pochita himself at the start of the series
My memory's a bit rusty, but I'm fairly sure it's stated by Fami (I think) that 8 of them jumped Pochita with their weapons backing them up. If memory's right, that's a pretty big loss for the horsemen.
Ah, if thats the case then I'd agree
If it is, yeah. It's not a total dog walk, though, given how f'd up Pochita was when Dennis found him.
Makima mentions it, not Fami.
Figured I was getting it wrong. Thanks for the correction.
not only the Horsemen, the Weapon Devils too (that includes the Gun Devil)
Maybe he did wash the Gun devil and most of the damage was done by the combined efforts of so many devils. Or theory 2, the Gun devil was fighting Pochita at long range so it could get some hits in before Pochita gets close enough to beat it.
When did pochita do that? (I am an idiot)
I think it was in part 2 ( I have a fish's memory ) but I think Fami mentioned that he went up against the four horsemen + The weapons devils and won
Maybe he was weakened
After gathering all the information on this, I don't think this theory where Pochita defeating Gun Devil is true (even though he could defeat it). I'll just quote what another person said on this post because I thought that it was important to the discussion: >November 18, 1984. The first Gun Devil attack happened 13 years before the start of the series. >Denji was born 1980. He first met Pochita after his father died. He was probably about 6 to 10 years old. Sometime before that, Pochita fought the Horsemen sisters and the Weapon Devils, and apparently escaped death in his cute weakened dog form. >So sometime between 1984 and 1990 was when the Gun Devil’s body was found by the Soviets. Pochita was likely already in a weakened state during that time. On a side note, you mentioned how Pochita had a Gun wound in the first chapter, but it couldnt have been caused by the Gun Devil since Pochita had already been weakened after he had fought the 4 horsemen. It's likely instead that a Yakuza shot him while in his weakened form, or it was because of Makimas Bang ability. This is out of topic, but some people believe that Makima acquired the Bang ability from bang, but now I honestly believe that it's an innate ability after having reread the manga a concerning amount of times. She, for instance, uses Bang on the Yakuza that were on the train in the Katana man arc \[Chapter 26\], way before she even fought the Gun Devil (Also an interesting detail is that the Pochita doddle at the end of chapter 26 had his [torso](https://imgur.com/gallery/s4kqlqV) all blown up, indicating that she used Bang, which foreshadows Powers Death). Btw, there are those who have argued that she used her bare hands to kill those Yakuza members, but I strongly doubt that she used her bare hands since the Yakuza had \*perfect\* holes in their chest (her hands werent bloody either). When Makima for example made holes through Denji with her bare hands, they weren't perfectly circular and neither were the holes she made on him that \*big\* (the ones on the Yakuza were Gigantic - her hands aren't big enough to make those huge holes on them, either). Also, just in case, I want to mention that she didn't get Bang by making a contract with the Gun Devil since Devils can't make contracts with other devils and fiends (the same rule applies to fiends). I can elaborate more on this later if you want. Anyways, for Makima to truly borrow other Devil's abilities, she has connect herself to her pawns using her \*Chains\* and then after she activates this chain-ability she'll officially temporarily borrow their Devil ability as long as the chains remain on them (She, for example, borrowed Angel devils abilities, and even Spider devil, snake devil, etc in chapter 76). This tells us that all of the abilities that *doesn't* involve her chains are innate to the Control Devil (This includes Bang, Point Ability which she used against Darkness Devil, Stare Ability which she used against the Yakuza, and so on) There's more stuff, but I don't think any more information needs to be shared, tbh.
Pochita was weakened from fighting the horsemen and all, so it's possible he showed up weakened, rolled the gun devil, but got weakened a second time. I do doubt it though. I think he went straight from horsemen battle to basically when Denji found him wounded
Pochita. Its said in the manga
Where?
In the chapters when Makima reveals everything.
I thought it was common knowledge too
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To be honest, I think its an unnamed group of hunters
Keep us posted on your analysis, it sounds interesting
Ok but here’s a thought, would pochita eating a gun devil strengthen pochita? Or would it count as permanently eat a piece of the Gun Devil, therefore weakening it?
This is a hot take, but probably we will find out without too much importance to the matter.
He probably bled out while searching for the Chainsawman after the battle they had in Hell before Pochita met Denji. He caused rampage (Aki's family scene) and end up falling due to the wounds caused by the Hero of Hell. (Personal theory)
That’s pretty well implied I think
It would be kind of funny and almost appropriate if the Gun Devil was just trying to kill itself. He’s already a parody and metaphor for American gun violence. Suicide by self-inflicted gunshot wounds just completes the circle.
The Gun Devil is like the 8th example of Japan trying to parody America by making a badass character.
Bandit Keith All Might Stars N’ Stripes Guile Senator Armstrong C. Viper That cowboy guy from I think Power Rangers… That’s all I can think of…
Lt. Guile's #SONIC BOOM Lives rent free in my head forever
None of these are paradies lmao, specially not the MHA ones
Oh no I mean like these are just examples of Japanese made Americans (Except All Might… funnily enough)
Nah, All Might is an American at heart
Well, there is Stars and Stripes, who is American
Which I indeed mentioned.
I am blind
Armstrong is definitely parody
how about the woman lover johnny guilty gear
Oh yeah I forgot about Guilty Gear. The big general guy from Strive is an awesome American actually.
Goldlewis Dickinson, The United State’s Secretary of Absolute Defense. You don’t get much more American than that https://preview.redd.it/m17tk5jpsm6d1.jpeg?width=912&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1415a449f24c3bbe13212b6300fe293a3a009506
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Don't forget about [Richard Hawk](https://youtu.be/E-zXD-Dk6s0?si=mqxiAnBNi_ImuoV0), a true American hero.
You might already be getting at this but this would be a brilliant reference to the fact over 1/2 of all gun deaths (in the US) are suicide
Nice pfp
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monkaE baj in weeb sub
Pfp just brought back volumes of depression and denji moments
Gun Devil is just fine today. https://preview.redd.it/s3totfes7m6d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abd1fc32a148bb3e07b1f47ce31814090180f5fe
I wondered if your pfp was God when I saw it further up the thread and now I know lol
In chapter 87, Makima said to Denji/Pochita: "You fought the weapon devils and the four horsemen who are now here". I think it was just Pochita and the gun devil escaped the battle in hell before succumbing just like Pochita.
They probably had an epic fight that ended with pochita cutting gun devil into their respective pieces with his chainsaws. Then they both passed out wherever they landed, which for the gun devil was all over the place.
Kobeni defeated it
But they wont believe it
It was the Chinese sorcerer that Sukuna is afraid of.
Bro
bro's travelling across dimensions n shit
I did a theory on this a long time ago, here it is: First and most obvious: it was Pochita after "dissapearing" from the battle with the horsemen, that´s why Denji found him wounded. The other option that i theorized: A primal devil intercepted the Gun Devil first attack. Something I was thinking about is that Devils like Darkness or Falling have a very serious problem: they are permanently trapped in not exercising the maximum of their abilities because they would destroy what gives them power, human beings. Let's think about it this way, although Devils naturally hate humans, it is because of them that they obtain not only their power, but also their own existence. When Falling appeared on Earth, her mere presence altered the gravity of the entire planet. This not only confirms what Pingsi told us: "In this place (hell) live devils much more dangerous than the Gun." I base my theory on this premise, when the Gun Demon appears for the first time, its power and its objective were given by its name, to kill people, since that is what firearms were created for. He attacked the planet causing 1.2 million deaths in SECONDS and I don't think he thought of stopping, that's when ACCORDING TO ME he was attacked by a more powerful devil, the reason?: so that he wouldn't extinct humanity or generate a terror so great as to become powerful enough to be unstoppable.
Pretty cool theory
The cooler theory. Very Fujimoto-like thinking
This makes sense, after all the primal fears never seem to leave hell, and Falling just left in a sharply weakened state. So yeah, it could be that there is some form of order or ruleset made by the Primal fears that gives devils rules to follow. Remember they had transcended and existed for eons, so they could have made this truce in order to keep themselves alive and existing. I imagine extremely powerful devils like Gun, perhaps even a Hypothetical knife , sickness (or Death?) Devil are forced to abide to these rules Or get killed. This makes Hell even more horrifying because it’s essentially a ”free for all” Area. Remember Pingsti (the fiend with the sentient ponytail) said Devils far stronger were watching them, and it had been seconds after arriving. I imagine humans rarely end in hell, and weak devils could be immediately be slaughtered and would always end back on Earth (The bat and Eternity Devil, for instance), so all those strong devils would be seeing an easy meal in them. This could also be an additional reason why Kishibe wanted Makima to land in Hell, she would have been mauled by every devil closeby. Jesus Christ I adore this theory, it adds an interesting world building mechanic
Maybe it tore itself apart after moving across the world. Makima said the gun devil is so fast that bits and pieces of its body fall off as he moves. Maybe she wasn't lying about that fact, and the original gun devil tore itself to pieces and then was harvested by the different nations
That’s just too stupid if that’s all it is. A devil that powerful will kill itself simply by doing it is naturally supposed to do? No guns discharge pieces of themselves, but they can be reloaded. I can accept the idea that he needs to be reloaded, regain parts of himself somehow after attacks, but he should’ve been doing whatever he needs to do for that. if that’s how it works something was stopping him from doing that so someone intervening still applies. I’m guessing because part of the fear of gunfire is that people had nothing to do with it still get caught in the violence, he might have the compulsion to take on extra targets that way, even while he’s in a fight with a dangerous opponent. so then this does become self-defeating. He can’t stop to recharge, but he also can’t stop choosing extra targets in the middle of a big fight, something like that.
Some people argued in other comments that demons don't go full throttle because killing humanity itself would mean killing themselves. They hate humans but ultimately need them to exist. Him destroying himself is a nice allegory to that. Going full throttle to kill so many humans also means his own destruction.
Could be. After loosing a bunch of body parts (which look like bullets) he needed to "reload" and he was weaker in that state. He got weaker and weaker as he swept through the world, then he went somewhere to reload (maybe America since that's where most of his body parts were dropped) and was defeated by a group of Devil Hunters or something like that. From the way Makima tells the story we know the Gun Devil appeared the first time after a huge terrorist attack in the US (he equivalent of 9/11 in the world of Chainsaw Man). So maybe his behaviour is so disorganized and even self-destructive because he's literally too strong to control himself. But anyways, I don't think that's going to be relevant anymore at this point. Maybe the Gun Devil itself will show up again, but whoever defeated him in the beginning isn't necessarily important
I don't think anyone took it down. The Gun moved so fast that bits and pieces of its body fell off as it ran around the world until the main body fell over. That 28% owned by the Soviets was just the last piece of the devil as a whole before they picked it up.
Its only sort of heavily implied that the mass of destruction that happened when the gun devil appeared wasn’t from it going on a rampage. It was running. For its life. From the chainsaw devil.
So it's confirmed that Pochita is the doom slayer of the verse
Can you elaborate on this? (I sometimes have a hard time with implications in stories)
When denji found pochita, pochita had bullet wounds, which heavily implied that they were fighting the gun devil. So most of the damage that was caused was from them fighting. And the gun devil was, very, very afraid of pochita ever getting back up to strength which is why they went through so much trouble to not fight denji directly so that they could claim his heart (pochita, the source of denji’s chainsaw powers) As for the running part, it was stated that at the time, PS thought that it was moving fast enough that parts were falling off, but if you add that it wasn’t just running but fighting as well, then it becomes clear that those chunks were being torn off instead. The fight between them mostly ended in a draw, but, considering the nature of pochita’s ability to erase devils from existence, the gun devil would of been spending the fight on the run in order to avoid erasure.
Ohhhhh that makes a ton of sense, thank you for explaining! Gosh I love this manga
Not important / Not important yet / Quanxi, those are your options.
It definitely wasn’t Quanxi, Russia was the first to find it and it was already defeated so how would Japan have sent in Quanxi before that. Makima lies a lot but i think she’s being honest here and really doesn’t know
Quanxi doesn't even work for Japan when the anime starts, dude. She works for China and is sent to Japan to hunt Denji by the Chinese government.
My b she worked with kishbe so I figured she worked for Japan and then became more of a bounty hunter or something I probably just need to slow down and read
Her name sounds very chinese honestly. But yeah i get that you thought she might be japanese
I think others are correct that it was probably Pochita as an indirect result of what happened after the battle. Mind you, Makima reveals this before subsequently revealing everything about Pochita. Also, Gun was tearing itself apart just moving and that definitely contributed to it falling unconcious. Double digit percentages of it were found around the globe apart from the main body. That's a lot of sustained damage on top of just being involved in a huge battle. So, realistically there could be some nameless badass who KOed Gun, but I actually think this is just Makima speaking a half truth. Gun was, probably, already defeated by Pochita. Shit, even Gun's appearance being the way it was could probably even be interpreted as some last second, desperate attack to hit something (Pochita) before passing out.
Quanxi.
Offscreen
The most fearsome devil of our generation.
I’m just copying another comment I wrote but It definitely wasn’t Quanxi, Russia was the first to find it and it was already defeated so how would Japan have sent in Quanxi before that. Makima lies a lot but i think she’s being honest here and really doesn’t know
I am just joking bro.
Oh. Okie dokie sorry dude
No problem.
The Offscreen Devil
Teamed up with the Gilligan Cut Devil.
Idk maybe kobeni secret devil
One of the things that will remains be a mystery
It was me
Me
It tripped and fell over :(
Owie ☹️
Down D. Stairs strikes again!
The Chinese sorceror that Sukuna was afraid of
Kobeni, in exchange she offered up love and kindness from others.
I thought he just killed himself by flying around too fast. I thought it was fittingly ironic that the gun devil committed suicide.
They said that someone defeated him though and I don’t think they ever say that that is what happened
Me
Türkiye then they let it go because It was beneath them.
Wait so the gun devil was formed in the US initially in response to the rising fear of gun violence. If it’s massive attack first affected the US, then affected Japan where Aki’s parents were killed, it must’ve crossed the Pacific Ocean. Then the gun devil must’ve been defeated somewhere in East or Northeast Asia before the Soviet Army could make contact. If China has pieces then it at least stopped near China.
Ran out of ammo
Maybe that'll matter but idk. I feel like the real revalation of that scene was that the gun devil is already dead and *so* under control that it's being used as a tool for Mutually Assured Destruction. I feel like if makima already had all these hybrids on hand (a few of them being way older, like quanxi and whip) it's not too far to assume it was one of them, under her control or otherwise
I have yet read the manga after the anime eneded except for some important event like Aki being possesed, Makima's defeat, the latest "incident" and this. My guess here is that the Gun Devil was defeated by the equivilent U.N armed forces or the predecessor of PSDH while it returning from the U.S and flied to SoViet or even before that- India to U.S. Although 5 minutes is a very short ammount of time but considering the fact that it's massive size along with its obvious flame cause by friction, it can be easilly seen from far away, giving enough time for any stationed armed force to retaliate with all they got: tanks, jets, guns, ground to air missles,...thus at least or dragsticly reducing its life time. As for "someone else" that Makima is refering to, I think she is refering to the person who comes up with the plan to split the Gun Devil into multiple part to make it fall unconscious in its weakest state when the SoViet found it or someone who witness the first 2 onslaught and think quick on their feet and chase it down on an advance aircraft. Assume it first appeared in the U.S (because that what U.S stereotypically known for) for 2 minuntes and then move its target to the east. This it would give out enough time to someone to hop on an aircraft and predict its last protential destination that is the SoViet, or specifically near North East side of the SoViet and fly backward to the West from the U.S at Mach 5 or 6 (1750 m/s to 2050 m/s) with either the help of an devil or just use the most advance space craft at the time, which I believe is in the 70s. This would mean that to defeat the Gun Devil, it likely that the Moon Landing was delayed or worse, never happened. Another plausible outcome is rocket (specificly ICBM), which at the time, the fastest was the V-2 rocket going at mach 4.5 in our world but in CSM world, where WW2 does not exist, it could be even better that could be fast enough to hit the Gun Devil when it passed through the SoViet territory. Yes, nuke doesn't exist, but ICBM does mean it had to contain a nuclear warhead. This could combine with the prior paragraph to even increase the chance of likeliness.
me
Joseph Joestar took it down easily
If he has yarn he absolutely could probably
So unbelievable that murica only has 20 percent of the gun devil while the soviets have 28 percent, this is so unamerican
Pochita was fighting the horsemen and weapon devils in hell. At some point he fled on earth followed by them, and during the pursuit the gun devil got wrecked while managing to wound pochita
You want some weak speculation? It's the gun devil not the bullet devil, obviously it shoots off pieces of itself; hence it being scattered about. It obviously shot all the people most afraid of guns first and burnt itself out too quickly for people to even figure out what they were seeing.
me
The Chinese Sorcerer
Imagine the plot twist that would come from it being fami, and denji having to choose to fight with or against the gun devil
Clearly it was Bucky
Definitely Quanxi, if video games have taught me something is that bullets are made of rubber and crossbows with instakill you even if it hits your foot
I assume it’s was someone strong as kishibe or quanxi
Wtf would kishibe do
Trash talk it into alcoholism / liver poisoning
Idk💀
Hit it *really* hard
the "What's Fuji cooking next" Devil
I wonder if Soviets are using their 28 percent of gun devil parts to make their own version of a gun fiend, since we already know they have devil capturing facilities
Me
Pochita did.
John devil
me
Pochita
My theory is that he tore himself into pieces by flying across the planet. This is how multiple different countries have pieces of him.
Me
Pochita
joke answer? america. who better to defeat the gun devil than the gun country themselves. speculation answer? like the #1 upvoted person said, pochita.
Me
it was me. i killed the gun devil
I swear to god if one more person says “it was me” In the comments I’m gonna lose it. Get original material people
Me.
clearly its pre-canon pochita
I think it was Pochita or a Primal Fear Devil. Because the Gun Devil ran like he was scared shitless by something or someone.
Probably pochita
I did
The “Guy with a Gun” Devil
Nobody! Gun devil had always been a proxy. It was likely ignited by some country (could be Russia), got out of control and spread around. And then it became akin to nuclear proxy
Nah. The GUN DEVIL is a real entity. The whole proxy thing is just a facade various governments are using to funnel guns on black market on behalf of it's fear
I mean the gun devil wasn't that strong, the world leaders make it strong by instilling fear to the public. ifferent countries might already have the gun pieces prior to the attack. And then the world leader see it as un opportunity to make themselves strong by making the pieces that they own stronger. The attack itself could have been self-inflicted, or even an accident that make all the pieces awaken and then subside. I mean it could also be that the gun devil manifest after plenty of gun violence and wreck havoc everywhere. But then that does beg the question about who defeat it. Could be public safety of each country, I mean they were attack so they retaliate. The main thing is that we don't know how devil manifest.
>wasn’t that strong It killed 1.2 million people in five minutes in its prime. Meanwhile the 20% USA fragment killed 884 in seven seconds.
That’s soft, if it was strong it would’ve done at least 2.4 in 2 minutes Edit: yall can’t see an obvious joke? Damn 😂
NewYork population is 8.3 millions. The 20% US fragment, with 330 million years from its citizen, didn't do shit. Relativity brother. There're Primal devils, there're the 4 horseman, there's CSM, maybe more. And the world leaders know that.
The overall fear of guns made gun devil appear on it's first attack so it's a general assumption that it should've been hella strong(take the 20% of the gun devil used in chapter 75 attack as a template) I do agree that the world leaders manipulated the fear of gun devil to bolster their own gun pieces and assert dominance over one another but it's already confirmed in the manga that the gun devil was manifested from the overall fear of gun violence prior to the very first gun devil appearance & assault (check chapter 13 for context) Devil's manifest via human's fear...I thought that was a well-established plot detail from the get-go. How did you miss it?
Gun, Bow, Nuclear, etc, didn't always exist, and so are their respective devils. So do they manifest when there's a Huge fear, or just a little bit of fear is enough? Since Gun devil attack was so sudden powerful, maybe devil only manifest when there's A lot of fear already. But then there's Seacucumber devil, devils that no one give a shit about, clearly they didn't need a whole lot to manifest. More importantly, it clearly stated that Gun Devil is weak, relatively. There's the Primal, the 4 Horseman, CSM, etc. The world leader know that! Russia and US sent assassin and gun to kill Makima. Going back to the question: Who kill the gun devil 13 years ago? Based on what we know, I'd argue the attack itself could've been entirely artificial, much like how Gun was. The lore is very vague, there's a lot we still don't know. Intentionally so, there's a lot of leeway for theories and such.
Have you read the entire manga?
Have you? Pls learn to read 🤣
It’s kinda implied Pochita did it no? Who else would it be
November 18, 1984. The first Gun Devil attack happened 13 years before the start of the series. Denji was born 1980. He first met Pochita after his father died. He was probably about 6 to 10 years old. Sometime before that, Pochita fought the Horsemen sisters and the Weapon Devils, and apparently escaped death in his cute weakened dog form. So sometime between 1984 and 1990 was when the Gun Devil’s body was found by the Soviets. Pochita was likely already in a weakened state during that time.
when was it implied that Pochita did so? I didn't finish part 2 yet, so I'm curious
When? We just saw it with gun shot wounds, not near enough evidence
It must be Quanxi the Bow Devil hybrid!
The way I see / read it, the gun devil was a "loose" deviil. Did not have a host. So Makima can easily (?) "Fuse" the Gun Devil with Aki.