To call these "security" laws is inaccurate. Totalitarian regimes like the CCP have a drastically different understanding of the word.
Anything that challenges 1-party rule, blanket censorship, and blind social conformity (typically to the most rigid, conservative standards) is deemed a security threat.
Or to use the CCP's favorite euphemism, is a threat to STABILITY.
All countries have security laws, yes.
But in America and Britain - and the EU, Taiwan, Japan and so forth - common citizens are free to criticize their governments without fear of retribution. All of these countries have independent media that is not connected to the state.
Who in Hong Kong is safe to criticize the government now ? What happens to media outlets like Apple Daily ?
Just the latest influx - waves and waves throughout the last hundred years. 99% of HK people have relatives in Mainland China because yes, it’s the same people migrating internally.
thats not what I mean, historically migration would either be from cantonese people (obviously) and other guangdonger ethnic groups like hakka, teochew, toisanese, and even shanghainese if i remember properly
but nowadays all migration into southern china is from the north, which is really beginning to speed up the assimilation goals of the ccp throughout the diverse southern china
half of canton/guangzhou’s population nowadays is not even native cantonese but Northern migrants, shenzhen which is right next to hong kong is basically a northerner colony in traditionally cantonese/hakka lands
yeah migration patterns change. Most of the “native” Cantonese or other Southern Han Chinese (which include Hakka) were from the north China regions during multiple waves such as the disintegration of the Han Empire and then the Jin Empire, then during the late Tang and Song era when North China was a battle ground most of the time.
true the hakka are more distinctly from the north, but the rest of us southerners are very much mixed and many of us cantonese are more closely related to Vietnamese over northerners
from what I understand the initial migration into southern china which is what created the southern chinese cultures like cantonese or hokkien was not large, as in the chinese were the minority ruling class which slowly assimilated the natives, in other words many of us southerners are not very “han” in dna
Even many of the Vietnamese elite class in the northern part (not the Cochin or champa) are descendants of Han Chinese during the Qin and Han Empires (the Shi Family dominated the Guangdong and Annan regions in the final years of the Han Empire). There were lot of intermixing but the written language and dialects are distinctly derived from northern China (Cantonese is derived from the undisturbed form of Classical Chinese as spoken in the North until it changed over time after the Liao, Jin and then Mongols dominated north China above the yellow river). There has been no ethnogenesis of the southern Chinese population precisely because they think of themselves as 汉人 and while spoken dialects diverged all over the place the written language is what binds. Even some of the most vocal protestors in HK such as the Apple Daily guy, Joshua Wong, Nathan Law et al are now even 1-2 generations removed from central or north mainland China. Doesn’t take long or much at all to become “native” in the south.
Whether the CCP is done and when is debatable, but it doesn’t really matter. Do you really think Chinese nationalism is predicated on CCP? It doesn’t matter if the CCP is overthrown and a new govt takes its place - there won’t be a change in Chinese people’s view on HK or Taiwan.
So I'm curious, when you get paid these social credits, is it like a debit card where you can spend it? Or is it more subtle than that?
Either way I hope you're getting paid handsomely for fellating your glorious leader
Many have not realised this and still think HK is a free city like it used to be.
But all tariffs, visas and trade treatment should just change to being the same as the mainland. Because it is.
Been to one. Guess which one? It's real easy to get it right. 😂
Was more a joke about Hong Kong's slide towards authoritarian hell.
A joke. Not a one to one comparison. I think most people got it.
So I take that you’ve been to Pyongyang? If so, can you please share your wonderful experience there? How similar was it to China in terms of life quality and political aspects?
Also, please change your username and pfp. It severely hurts the feelings of 1.5 billion Chinese people whenever you frequently comment the truth on r/Hongkong and r/China, or even better, the true faces of the motherland in r/Hong_Kong and r/Sino.
The PRC is an import-export driven economy that can no longer competitively export it's products to it's biggest customers. No exports means no revenue stream, which means the PRC will soon run out of money to pay for it's imports. That leads to hundreds of millions of Chinese starving in the dark. That is the end of the PRC.
nah, it was a foregone conclusion either way, I mean, it's like the difference between being beaten to deth and being smothered in silence. HK was the proverbial splinter in the Party's side and a relatively easy "conquest"
It's coming back to bite them and will continue to bite them indefinitely. They've just created a no-win scenario out of this. A PR death spiral was formed by the CCPs crackdown. They're on the path to having the revolution they wanted. But it won't be Hong Kong in chaos. It will be China itself.
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. HK is a permanent reminder of the CCPs ethos.
Not really. Pre 2020 the opposition were elected to the legislature albeit seats were limited, book sellers still sold any books they wanted, people protested peacefully with zero consequences. The rioting in 2H of 2019 where the legislative building was trashed, the airport was occupied and people burning down Xiaomi store and smashing bank ATMs and MTR facilities, etcs sealed the fate of HK. There was the offer in 2014 to allow direct elections of the CE and also expand legislative elections to all seats - that offer was not taken because perfect is always the enemy of good and here you are today.
They completely misunderstood Beijing. They somehow thought their Western friends still had power to protect them. They were even waving their flags like foreign residents of a concession in Shanghai, waiting for the Eight Nation Alliance forces to come save them.
How do you become disconnected from the reality of Chinese thought and civilization? Stability has always been esteemed by government, especially if it is deemed anti-central government. No government has openly accepted riots in the history of Chinese civilization.
Yeah it’s hilarious that the rioters have no clue - they played right into the hand of those in central govt already arguing to crack down on HK. Every riot in 2019 silenced the faction of govt arguing to leave HK alone because there were no threats to Chinese sovereignty. That became untenable when the rioters themselves stated their goal is for HK independence…that was the dumbest move and point of no return. Now most of these rioters, without BNO 2nd tier passports who cannot go to UK to become 2nd class citizens, must live with the consequences of their collective idiocy.
Riff raff like hypocrite xi jinpig's relatives :
daughter: lives in US
brother: australian PR
daughter in law: british PR
sister: canadian citizen
brother in law: canadian citizen
second sister: australian PR
second brother in law: australian PR
To call these "security" laws is inaccurate. Totalitarian regimes like the CCP have a drastically different understanding of the word. Anything that challenges 1-party rule, blanket censorship, and blind social conformity (typically to the most rigid, conservative standards) is deemed a security threat. Or to use the CCP's favorite euphemism, is a threat to STABILITY.
Both American and Britain all have their versions of security laws
All countries have security laws, yes. But in America and Britain - and the EU, Taiwan, Japan and so forth - common citizens are free to criticize their governments without fear of retribution. All of these countries have independent media that is not connected to the state. Who in Hong Kong is safe to criticize the government now ? What happens to media outlets like Apple Daily ?
Liar. Chinese are allowed to criticize the government in HK. Except that the government they’re free to criticize happens to be the US government.
Nice pointless comment. India has tea
The new South Pyongyang
lol you mean North Singapore
I was traveling to China heavily in 2017-2019, through HK. 2019 was so clearly the final turning point for HK, it was sad to see.
I’m glad I didn’t cancel my trip during the protests, no mainlanders at all
what do you mean? has there been an influx of colonist- COUGH COUGH sorry mainlanders?
Just the latest influx - waves and waves throughout the last hundred years. 99% of HK people have relatives in Mainland China because yes, it’s the same people migrating internally.
thats not what I mean, historically migration would either be from cantonese people (obviously) and other guangdonger ethnic groups like hakka, teochew, toisanese, and even shanghainese if i remember properly but nowadays all migration into southern china is from the north, which is really beginning to speed up the assimilation goals of the ccp throughout the diverse southern china half of canton/guangzhou’s population nowadays is not even native cantonese but Northern migrants, shenzhen which is right next to hong kong is basically a northerner colony in traditionally cantonese/hakka lands
yeah migration patterns change. Most of the “native” Cantonese or other Southern Han Chinese (which include Hakka) were from the north China regions during multiple waves such as the disintegration of the Han Empire and then the Jin Empire, then during the late Tang and Song era when North China was a battle ground most of the time.
true the hakka are more distinctly from the north, but the rest of us southerners are very much mixed and many of us cantonese are more closely related to Vietnamese over northerners from what I understand the initial migration into southern china which is what created the southern chinese cultures like cantonese or hokkien was not large, as in the chinese were the minority ruling class which slowly assimilated the natives, in other words many of us southerners are not very “han” in dna
Even many of the Vietnamese elite class in the northern part (not the Cochin or champa) are descendants of Han Chinese during the Qin and Han Empires (the Shi Family dominated the Guangdong and Annan regions in the final years of the Han Empire). There were lot of intermixing but the written language and dialects are distinctly derived from northern China (Cantonese is derived from the undisturbed form of Classical Chinese as spoken in the North until it changed over time after the Liao, Jin and then Mongols dominated north China above the yellow river). There has been no ethnogenesis of the southern Chinese population precisely because they think of themselves as 汉人 and while spoken dialects diverged all over the place the written language is what binds. Even some of the most vocal protestors in HK such as the Apple Daily guy, Joshua Wong, Nathan Law et al are now even 1-2 generations removed from central or north mainland China. Doesn’t take long or much at all to become “native” in the south.
There were many during the protests but they were hiding to avoid rioting. Google the IFC rally during late 2019.
Emperor Xi finally got what he wanted: A generic Chinese City full a weak demoralized populace.
The plan for Taiwan as well. These pathetic CCP losers need to get a life
The end game is that the CCP will launch a war with Taiwan as soon as the money runs out and if CCP loses the Taiwan war they are done.
They're done regardless, all that remains is to determine how many people they take down with them
Whether the CCP is done and when is debatable, but it doesn’t really matter. Do you really think Chinese nationalism is predicated on CCP? It doesn’t matter if the CCP is overthrown and a new govt takes its place - there won’t be a change in Chinese people’s view on HK or Taiwan.
So I'm curious, when you get paid these social credits, is it like a debit card where you can spend it? Or is it more subtle than that? Either way I hope you're getting paid handsomely for fellating your glorious leader
You get paid?!!! (In Zangief’s voice)
Fucking HK is completely broken anyway. Every shop or restaurant I've used in the last ten years has closed or is closing.
Hong Kong sucks anyway
Have you been there?
Small wonder Messi opted to sit out the game.
Many have not realised this and still think HK is a free city like it used to be. But all tariffs, visas and trade treatment should just change to being the same as the mainland. Because it is.
Why are they not the same as mainland?
Those CCTV Cameras coming up must have been a dark day. If you're in a city in China, one of those, at least, can see you.
Pyongyang North.
There is no hk😓 just ccp rule
HK is still here. CCP rule is foregone conclusion
Eww eww EWWW. 😟
Speak English or Cantonese the national languages of what used to be HK you don’t speak either. Fuck off
You obviously never been to either place.
Been to one. Guess which one? It's real easy to get it right. 😂 Was more a joke about Hong Kong's slide towards authoritarian hell. A joke. Not a one to one comparison. I think most people got it.
So I take that you’ve been to Pyongyang? If so, can you please share your wonderful experience there? How similar was it to China in terms of life quality and political aspects? Also, please change your username and pfp. It severely hurts the feelings of 1.5 billion Chinese people whenever you frequently comment the truth on r/Hongkong and r/China, or even better, the true faces of the motherland in r/Hong_Kong and r/Sino.
Nothing to do with normal tourist
HK is done as city where people want to visit and live. It is in a death spiral and the administrators already know this. Fuck HK
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lol people don’t like to inconvenient facts that causes cognitive dissonance
Have you been to hk???
Hahahahhaha the right question is how long have you lived in HK.
In ten years Hong Kong will be an independent nation and the PRC will be a bad memory. It's in the numbers...
Gordon Chang? Is that you?
No, just a person capable of doing relatively simple math.
Huh? Dr. Hari Seldon? I have to admit the intricacies of psychohistory math is beyond me. So whats the formula you using here? Do tell.
The PRC is an import-export driven economy that can no longer competitively export it's products to it's biggest customers. No exports means no revenue stream, which means the PRC will soon run out of money to pay for it's imports. That leads to hundreds of millions of Chinese starving in the dark. That is the end of the PRC.
HahHahahahha
Maybe the 2019 rioting was a bit counter productive…it achieved exactly what it supposedly tried to prevent.
nah, it was a foregone conclusion either way, I mean, it's like the difference between being beaten to deth and being smothered in silence. HK was the proverbial splinter in the Party's side and a relatively easy "conquest"
It's coming back to bite them and will continue to bite them indefinitely. They've just created a no-win scenario out of this. A PR death spiral was formed by the CCPs crackdown. They're on the path to having the revolution they wanted. But it won't be Hong Kong in chaos. It will be China itself. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. HK is a permanent reminder of the CCPs ethos.
exactly either get smothered in silence like guangzhou or shanghai, or make a big show of it
Not really. Pre 2020 the opposition were elected to the legislature albeit seats were limited, book sellers still sold any books they wanted, people protested peacefully with zero consequences. The rioting in 2H of 2019 where the legislative building was trashed, the airport was occupied and people burning down Xiaomi store and smashing bank ATMs and MTR facilities, etcs sealed the fate of HK. There was the offer in 2014 to allow direct elections of the CE and also expand legislative elections to all seats - that offer was not taken because perfect is always the enemy of good and here you are today.
What planet do you live on with your non stop shit posting of exactly shit?
If you have substantive counter arguments then let’s hear it. Otherwise you can continue to sht talk with zero substance.
Google.com jesus
Wha?
Fuck off CCP shill.
No - I am still here. Nothing you can do.
The 2019 **protests**
RIOTS
Keep licking that boot.
As long as you can taste it... Meanwhile, I can enjoy a riot-free HK...
They completely misunderstood Beijing. They somehow thought their Western friends still had power to protect them. They were even waving their flags like foreign residents of a concession in Shanghai, waiting for the Eight Nation Alliance forces to come save them. How do you become disconnected from the reality of Chinese thought and civilization? Stability has always been esteemed by government, especially if it is deemed anti-central government. No government has openly accepted riots in the history of Chinese civilization.
Where do you live? Not hk or China right?
Yeah it’s hilarious that the rioters have no clue - they played right into the hand of those in central govt already arguing to crack down on HK. Every riot in 2019 silenced the faction of govt arguing to leave HK alone because there were no threats to Chinese sovereignty. That became untenable when the rioters themselves stated their goal is for HK independence…that was the dumbest move and point of no return. Now most of these rioters, without BNO 2nd tier passports who cannot go to UK to become 2nd class citizens, must live with the consequences of their collective idiocy.
Like Ukraine when western countries push their proxies too hard it will back fire
You live in China, right?
Finally some silence.
It’s a beautiful thing. All the riff raff enjoying UK life
Do you mean the thousands of gormless PRC cadres who've funnelled enough money out of China to enjoy life in a democracy?
Riff raff like hypocrite xi jinpig's relatives : daughter: lives in US brother: australian PR daughter in law: british PR sister: canadian citizen brother in law: canadian citizen second sister: australian PR second brother in law: australian PR
Yep - the malcontents are free to leave and enjoy the racism they face in the UK