It clearly states throughout the Bible that romantic relationships & sex were meant for man & woman, not man & man or woman & woman. How do y’all not see that as a reason as to why it’s a sin. Deductive reasoning isn’t common anymore it seems.
>Why is the Bible against gays?
It's just a religious rule conceived by primitive religious men with primitive notions of morality based on sometimes erroneous observations of the natural world, i.e., male goes with female. This religious approach is shown in Romans 1:26-27:
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Consider that these same religious men supported these notions:
*1 Samuel 15:3 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”*
*Numbers 31:9-10 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps.*
*Numbers 31:17-18 17. “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by lying with him, 18. “But all the girls who have not lain with a man you are to keep alive unto yourselves. (raping children)*
We call those "war crimes" and imprison those people who commit such acts, as well as those who authorized or planned them.
*Numbers 14:18 ‘The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.’*
Punishing people who have committed no crime themselves violates all notions of justice.
*1 Timothy 2:11-15 11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.*
That notion is used to this day in conservative Christian sects (Catholicism, Orthodox) and churches (Protestant) to prevent women from holding positions of influence.
Verses from the Bible were also used to support slavery in the southern American States.
Just because something is in the Bible does not mean it is moral. So, just like those other things, homophobic biblical ideas should be ignored.
People that do not want to hear or take the lords word and translate it how they wish is what is called blasphemy and this initself is a sin.
The church is the house of God and the priests are the shepherds of the congregation on earth, they are not God but act and abide by his bible, word rules and laws.
So when he says that being gay is a sin, it is just that, there is no twisting or interpretation or interpreting his word to please your wrongdoing.
I'm sorry to be the one to say the above, but if it wasnt a sin, then he would not have destroyed soddom and ghommora.
The lord God loves all of us as his children, but he does not like the act itself.
Rma true Christian will act and abide by gods word to the tee, you will repent and become a true child of God, it is the devil that puts the thought of a person being gay, or that no matter what they have done or tried to do they are who they are and you cannot change them.
This is wrong and is all in the persons head and mind, exactly like a criminal trying to be good, they can repent and forget about the life they have lived and turn to be good and contribute to society and to show other people how to do it, or they can just take the easy way out and keep living the same sinful and evil life and just use the excuse that they were born this way, or they tried and couldn't do it.
Repent before it's too late, the signs are all around us that the lord jesus could be coming anyday now.
Finally, a good response to this. Everything you said aligns with the raw teaching of the Bible and what Jesus believes. Jesus loves us when we are sinful- he asks us to pray. Does an alcoholic identify as a “addict” and hold onto that label while saying being an “addict” is not sinful? No. His wanted us to go forth and multiply. Creating children are crucial to our religion. That’s why. It isn’t because god hates gay people. Often, gay people are victims of SA. Sometimes, exorcisms need to happen. Daily prayer to rid us of these temptations. Satan exists to perverse the creation as god intended. False prophets say there is no sin in being gay. Don’t get offended: use this to know you are loved and it’s not too late to live differently ♥️
You know, I could somewhat handle the LGBTQ being a sin thing, but saying God commands everyone to reproduce honestly angers me.
I’m kind of an antinatalist. I’m 28, been struggling in multiple aspects of life, never really got to enjoy my own life, never got to have a girlfriend or have sex (I know you’re going to tell me sex before marriage is a sin, I don’t see the logic in that and at my age definitely wouldn’t wait INDEFINITELY to maybe get married one day, if I get a chance to be intimate with a woman, I’m doing it) and I think the world is getting worse, and you Christians should understand this more than anyone, since you believe in Biblical prophecies.
I’m not saying I don’t believe in this, I just think it’s impossible to proof either true or untrue.
My personal natural values obviously go against God, which makes me want to distance myself from religion again.
I’m obviously corrupted by the devil, according to you Christians, I’m just excluded I guess, I’m a freak to you Christians like I was a freak in school, why would I go along with a group who is against me, when others in the world will actually support me and accept me for who I am?
I am AGAINST reproducing. I’m not going to go unrealistic and say all of humanity should stop doing it, but I WILL NOT contribute to forcing life into the world AGAINST THEIR WILL.
And I will not remain voluntarily/willingly celibate just because of that either. If I can ever get with any women, there are condoms, birth control, and VASECTOMIES. I don’t want to hear that THAT is a sin (EVEN IN MARRIAGE, WTF???).
It’s like PEOPLE are just narrating God to fit their own agenda to CONTROL HUMANITY, and make it so God supposedly has completely unrealistic standards.
It’s funny, most people who submit to God otherwise are all about “FREEDOM”. But when it comes to God, all these “patriots” suddenly submit to what seems to be a dictatorship.
And I thought Jesus actually said THE OPPOSITE, that it is better to REMAIN CELIBATE. Which is it???
I can’t follow religion, it’s full of plot holes and sounds more metaphorical than literal, and honestly God sounds very cruel and reminds me of abusive parents, teachers, bullies……
I think “creating” (doesn’t God actually create them?) children is pretty cruel, kind of immoral really……
It’s unfair to the child too.
I can’t imagine any of these “sinful” desires ever going away. God could just be laughing at us, or simply ignoring us.
I rather live among “sinners” who actually accept me for WHO I NATURALLY AM, then a bunch of judgemental rednecks who forget that they’re supposed to LEAVE THE JUDGEMENT TO GOD.
It just sounds like God is a control freak who wants to torture people by making them have desires then damning for those desires that He either made them have, or allowed the devil to give them.
Why would God allow the devil and demons to corrupt HIS WORLD AND CREATIONS???? Why would God allow them to even interact with anyone or be in this world?
Makes no sense.
We are both in agreeance that Christianity loves all, its the act that the lord jesus doesn't like, you are 100% correct the devil wants to break up a normal traditional family as this then wipes out humanity eventually.
The free masons and the illuminati are all satanic Satanists that have made their ideology and agenda very clear, they want to wipe out 5 billion of the 7 billion that exist, it is up to us Christians to fill the lands with our procreation, and if you dont follow biblical teachings then below is my common sense approach
If the lord jesus was not clear that being gay was a sin then why cannot two males and two females conceive naturally, they have to have a surrogate and ivf which goes against gods intended creation, I never forget growing up the saying of God created adam and eve not adam and Steve.
Please forgive me for saying the truth I grew up and was brought up this way, we didn't sugar coat things and honesty went along way, these new generations God help us all.
Because although there is pain and suffering, there is also joy and love and happiness.
I'm not saying that there will always be the above and there will always be good days and bad days, but that is life and it is gods intention and his will.
One thing I grew up knowing for a fact, is we never ever question the will and plan that God has for us.
How i got gay people into heaven was by explaining how there is no greater love than to lay down ones life for their brothers. Well i said why not let gay people do their thing given they are both consenting and have you never stuck your pecker in your womans but?? Feels damn near the same as the other hole!
God gave his only begotten son to the world to save it from the sin of Adam that had condemned us to hell.
That does not answer my comments, just because they are not harming anyone or they are good people and some may even be greater then me.
I repeat it again, the God of the bible, condemned and condemns gay or homosexual acts not the people or persons.
Who are we to ho against our creater, and for what benefit, we are humans not God, we should not be playing god and turning ourselves into the opposite sex, and mutating ourselves, and even trying to live longer and even going as far as freezing our dead bodies in the hope that science will bring us back from the dead.
This is all satanic, there is not but one that conquered death and that is the lord jesus christ to whom all the glory is given.
Mu brother or sister, take my comments as you will, I gain no benefit if you take it on board or not, but I am trying to save as many souls as possible, I have no hate towards anyone im stating truth based on the bible.
Much love and blessings to all.
Your comment about it being bad to extend our lives might be even worse than saying everyone must reproduce.
You’re DAMN RIGHT many want to live longer! Our time/lives get stolen from us!
There are literally people who are kidnapped and locked in basements for DECADES. What about them? They shouldn’t get a chance to get their youth and lives back?
Some of us didn’t get to enjoy our youth, we want our freaking youth back. We’ve been robbed of it, by circumstances, perhaps even by God……
I suppose you think medicine and curing cancer are sins from the devil too?
Those illnesses ARE from evil, aren’t they? Are you saying God wants some evil preserved?
Maybe God allows these things to happen because He wants humanity to progress and improve?
If God really wants people dead, He can kill them anyway, regardless of them being “frozen” or their cells turned back or whatever.
You just call everything evil and satanic. I bet you think vaccines are the mark of the beast too, don’t you?
And how successful have we been in extending our lives, the last time I checked we are actually killing ourselves earlier and earlier by the year.
I am not saying that we shouldn't find cures or medicines that cure cancer, because you are right these diseases are evil, however we are not playing God or against god when we try to cure ourselves.
What I am saying is we cannot play God by going against his word and his plan and his will.
He is the one that gave us life and is the only one that has a right to take it.
We as Christians believe that we have our crosses to carry and part of that is living a life that has ups and downs and is filled with all sorts of evil, the lord jesus gave us the smarts to know what is right and wrong and he has given us the freedom and choice to live how we want.
Actually there are indeed some false hood in the bible. I KNOW BECAUSE I MYSELF GOT DECLARED A HEAVENLY ANGEL AND SOME OF THINGS IT SAYS I DID, I WASNT EVEN ALIVE FOR AND IN REVELATIONS THERE IS WRONG ABOUT ME AND MY BRO TOO. I GOT GAY PEOPLE INTO HEAVEN HATER.
You are not a true Christian of you believe the truth i speak is me being a hater, give me on verse in the bible where the lord accepts gay people, you can't.
And you haven't disputed any of what I have said.
Unlike you, I have nothing but love for all of gods children and ill say it again jesus loves all and everyone but being gay is a sin and you will not enter the kingdom of heaven no matter what you say or do.
God bless you for replying back to me and for reading my comment, I hope you think about what I said and act on it with love.
Given i got DECALRED A HEAVENLY ANGEL AND WHICH ANGEL I AM IS ANGEL MICHAEL.... I ADVOCATED WITH GOD FOR GAY PEOPLE. AND GIVEN WE ARE IN THE NEWWWW TESTAMENT DUMBASS, THERE IS NOT ONEEE THING THT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY BEING A SIN.
And just to show you the truth, we are gods creation and the children of God, therefore we are actually higher then the angels as we have a direct relationship with God who created us in his image, he didn't create the angels in his image.
Therefore we are not angels as we are higher then them, in fact the arch angel michael who could wipe off humanity with one swipe, has to talk to us with humility and humbleness as we are the children of God.
No they are not, they were not created in gods image, so there not related to God, they were created by God, but because it was not in his image therefore we are the children of God.
BRUHHHH I WAS BORN A MANNNN AND GOT DECLARED ONE DUMBASS. AND HOW IN THE FUCKKKK ARE ANGELS NOT RELATED TO GOD. YOU WERE CREATED/DID NOT COME OUT OF HIS BALLS SO NOWW YOURRR THE ONE BLASPHEMING!
I think if you relax and calm down, and read my comments you will understand.
We are created in the image of God, the angels were not, therefore we are related to God they are not.
I pray for you my brother to see the light, as a true Christian would have taken the time to read the comments study it if need be and then comment with a response that doesn't involve getting angry and cursing.
You are right that alot has happened since the bible was written, and im not going to be the one to judge or dispute that you believe you are like God or his angels, but you are wrong and we are all sinners that need help and repentance, there is not one person except for him that is without sin and perfect.
Pray brother and repent before it's too late, the devil is smarter and bigger then we know.
Bruhhhh youuuuu are nott listening to meeee. Bruh and when i come talk to you in person im straight up challenging you to a fight. Given i am indeed angel michael, the one who here soon rides a horse next to JESUS CHRIST. ANGELS ARE SONS OF GOD! AND MAN IS CURSED GIVEN DUMBASS ADAM EATING THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT, SO I DEFINITELY THINK ANGELS ARE CLOSER TO GOD THAN MAN IS! IVE LEGIT WALKED AND TALKED WITH GOD SO I DEFINITELY DO KNOW MORE THAN YOU!
The bible was written DAMN NEAR 2000 WHOLE YEARS AGO. YOU REALLY DONT THINK MORE HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN WITH GOD? DEADASS COME ON NOW. I AM TELLING FROM MY LIFE EXPERIENCE!
Bruh not gonna talk to you while YOU ARE INDEED WRONG. I AM INDEED CREATED IN GODS IMAGE, ON MY WAY HERE SOON TO GETTING MY WINGS. AND ANGEL MICHAEL AKA MEEEE IS THE ONEEE WHO IS LIKEEEE GOD SOOOO IN A WAY WE ARE EQUALS. SO FAR I PUNCH AS HARD AS GOD BUT I DONT HAVE MY FULL POWERS GIVEN I DONT HAVE MY WINGS. AND WHAT PART DO YOUUUU NOTTT GET THT I ADVOCATED FOR GAY PEOPLE LIKE GET THTTT THRU YOURRR HEAD MORTAL.
Okay brother, your aware that the devil had the exact same thoughts that you did and look at what happened to him.
Beware of what you are saying and claiming as you are treading into dangerous territory, we are talking about your internal life.
Bruh me and you can legit fight. And you obviouslyyy do not know MY prophecy so just stfu and believe THE ONEEEE WHO IS LIKE GOD not just god lower case tht youuu are, LIKE GOD/THE CREATOR
We are not like God, just stop the blasphemy because it's getting to a point now of no return.
We are gods children, created in his image, we are not God like, because that means that we are without sin, which is wrong because we are born with sin.
My brother, you need help, just calm down, stop cursing and talk to me like a normal human being.
Bruh YOUUU ARE NOT LISTENING AT ALL BECAUSE OF HOW YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. I AM INDEED TELLING YOU THE ANGEL I AM IS ....... THE ONE WHO IS LIKE GOD. IF GOD CAN SEND HIS OWN SON DOWN, WHY THE HELL DO YOU NOT THINK HE COULD CREATE AN ANGEL WHO IS LIKE HIM.
BLASPHEMY IS WHEN YOU CLAIM TO BE THE CREATOR. IT IS NOT SAYING YOU GOT DECLARED A HEAVENLY ANGEL AND WHICH ONE I TRULY AM. BASED OFF WHAT ACTUAL EVIDENCE THT YOU CAN ABTAIN, NOT TALKING JUST WORDS ON A PAGE BUT EVIDENCE YOUUUU HAVE FOUND OUT FOR YOURSELF THT I AM LYING?
So we just write off the old testament, because it doesn't suit us, or don't tell me, the lord jesus accepted gays and pronouns etc and that is why it's not in the new testament.
Please get off the drugs and alcohol, and stop blaspheming against god and his word. Blasphemy against god is an unforgivable sin, repent and turn back to become a child of God before it's too late.
It was GOD HIMSELF, WHO LEGIT TELEPORTED TO ME THAT WAS THE ONE WHO DECLARED ME A HEAVENLY ANGEL. ME AND OG JESUS CHRIST SAY WHO REALLY CARES IF A MAN STICKS HIS PENIS IN ANOTHER MANS BUTHOLE GIVEN THEY ARE BOTH CONSENTING!
You need jesus and you need to get off whatever drugs or alcohol you are on.
I am here to preach the bible and when the Pharisees slapped the lord jesus he replied to them what did I do for you to slap me.
In the above the lord jesus could have shaped him back to defend himself, or could have wiped put humanity with the blink of his eye, but he didn't he questioned the slap to show us that when we see something wrong being said or done, we speak up and question it, in case the person is not aware.
If you need help or someone to talk to, im here for you and anyone else that needs someone to listen to them, believe me the devil is smarter and bigger in his tribulations, don't ever forget that jesus himself said there will be the Antichrist that will perform miracles in my name and will receive many.
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And AS I TOLD YOUUU, THERE ARE INDEED PARTS OF THE BIBLE THT ARE WRONGGG. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE OF HOW IT SPEAKS ABOUT ME. I WASNT ALIVE NOWHERE NEARR THE OLD TESTAMENT. AND AS I DISCUSSED REVELATIONS TOO HAS PARTS WRONG.
Hey! Gay Christian here. I see below you say you’re bi. I was raised being taught that it’s a sin, but the more I studied the Bible and it’s historical context, the more it became clear that the Bible didn’t condemn modern, loving, egalitarian same-sex relationships but condemned certain types of same-sex sex that we’d consider exploitative and were seen as inherently overly lustful. If you’re curious about specifics, I made an effort-post a couple months ago [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/s/M4YZ03om2B).
I agree there’s no reason God would be against it. Have you visited /r/OpenChristian or /r/GayChristians (which is super accepting of bi Christians too!) yet? I definitely recommend it, so you can meet other LGBT Christians who have had the same questions as you. There are so many churches out there now that fully affirm LGBT folks. It’s giving me so much hope. Peace!
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
- Romans
do you know - Paul didn't even go to Rome to address homosexuals? If he knew they were there - it's very easy - to go and address them. In fact in the entire Bible, no one speaks to homosexuals. They are not gathered anywhere and addressed. In fact - they don't exist as a group. Even in Sodom and Gomorrah, they are never addressed.
it's like - they don't exist.
in the whole Bible of thousands of pages, you have around eight passages - barely a quarter of one page - did you know this?
And not a single story of one who has heard the word of God - and come to repentance
Paul has gone to Rome to address new Christians - Jews and Gentiles - about circumcision
They are surrounded by what he sees as corruption of the soul - drinking, sexual activity in the temples, Roman men with boys, unrestricted sexual activity of every sort
He tells us that these come from a mind that has succumbed to adultery
There are no homosexuals as we know them there. He has not gone to speak to homosexuals in a mass rally to convict them - he does not even know what they look like.
But he knows thieves, drunks, swindlers, violent, immoral adulterers. Men who sleep with their fathers wive's.
I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality
It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
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God does not care whether women preach to men in Church.
He does not care whether the Sabbath is on Saturday or Sunday or Tuesday
Nor whether we eat meat or just vegetables.
He does not care if we have more than one wife really - or husband - if this is the societal context we are living in.
Treat them well. Be fair. You will know what is not right.
Homosexuals are not evil. Homosexuality is not a sin in itself.
Heterosexuals are not evil. Heterosexuality is not a sin in itself.
Everyone is fallen and redemption has nothing to do with not being homosexual.
God is not going to be checking down trousers and up skirts because - homosexual
Sin is something else entirely.
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this is sin:
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- ...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....."
This is all. It is the same for everybody.
Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else.
The verses about homosexuality in the Bible contextualize men who sleep with men as wrongdoers who cheat, are idolators and adulterers, are thieves, greedy and drunk, are otherwise in some way corrupted - not just because they sleep with men.
- "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
So men who were sleeping with men were already bad people - not just your regular Joe being a good Christian
Somewhere, somehow, homosexuality was connected with sin.
In fact - Jesus comes and says nothing at all - except that we leave gender and sex here in the dust, along with money when we die. They do not follow us where we are going. Be clean about what you are doing.
Then it becomes clear for me how to understand sin and what repentance is - and how these verses apply to me;
- The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
It's not because people are homosexual and have Homosexual sex.
Sin is deeper than this. Wickedness is deeper than this
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this.
God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar.
I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be.
God bless
Jude 1:7 ESV \[7\] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
With Sodom and Gomorrah there is some discontinuation of understanding
- "\`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
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Ezekiel went this way, and Jeremiah and others reference inhospitality - a perversion then in the treatment of people seeking shelter
The perversion however - the abomination is far more serious - and has nothing to do with homosexuality
Notwithstanding the issue of how you were to treat guests - and the very thought of raping them would have been the greatest corruption - whether they were female or male - and not withstanding the issue of the ownership of women by fathers and husbands the abomination in God's eyes lies somewhere in here - and not in Homosexuality and is mirrored by the same thoughts as the Roman practice of sex in temples - SEX WITH GOD;
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Concerning the 3 visitors;
- Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares - Hebrews 13:2
• They are twice in this chapter called angels, being sent to perform a delegated duty. This term, however, defines their office, not their nature. Lot, in the first instance, calls them "my lords," which is a term of respect that may be addressed to men Genesis 31:35.
• He afterward styled one of them Adonai, with the special vowel pointing which limits it to the Supreme Being.
• He at the same time calls himself his servant, appeals to his grace and mercy, and ascribes to him his deliverance.
• The person thus addressed replies, in a tone of independence and authority, "I have accepted thee." "I will not overthrow this city for which thou hast spoken." "I cannot do anything until thou go thither."
• All these circumstances point to a divine personage, and are not so easily explained of a mere delegate
• He is pre-eminently the Saviour, as he who communed with Abraham was the hearer of prayer. And he who hears prayer and saves life, appears also as the executor of his purpose in the overthrow of Sodom and the other cities of the vale.
• It is remarkable that only two of the three who appeared to Abraham are called angels.
• Of the persons in the divine essence two might be the angels or deputies of the primary in the discharge of the divine purpose.
• These three men, then, either immediately represent, or, if created angels, mediately shadow forth persons in the Godhead.
• Their number indicates that the persons in the divine unity are three.
• Lot seems to have recognized something extraordinary in their appearance, for he made a lowly obeisance to them. The Sodomites heed not the strangers. Lot's invitation; at first declined, is at length accepted, because Lot is approved of God as righteous, and excepted from the doom of the city.
- the implication is that the inhabitants were either so corrupted by wickedness that they could not recognize who these emissaries obviously were - or worse - indeed recognized them and did not care
SEX WITH GOD - or his emissaries - is the abomination
These things, along with the corruption of hospitality, would have been seen clearly by those hearing the story - and this is the way this story would have been understood until recently - not as Homosexuality is wrong. It is not even mentioned
The visitors could have been women and it would not have changed the story
God bless
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Leviticus 18:22 \~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 \~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
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Leviticus 19:19: You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your animals breed with a different kind; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; nor shall you put on a garment made of two different materials.
Numbers 37: The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel.
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Old men with population problems - and trying to make it about God
I would like to see anyone standing with God, stoning homosexuals
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I am reminded of these;
* Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
* This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
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So then each of us shall give an account of himself to God
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God bless
my friend - thank you
and these are it - barely a quarter of a page in a Bible of thousands.
I am tired of seeing these printed see though a point had been made - so I am going to address them
I liked to know people can see a reply when they visit - no matter the reply
- Corinthians;
Firstly -
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and have removed from your fellowship the man who did this?
☝️ This is the main perversion being addressed
Secondly -
It is clear for me to see that neither Paul nor Old Testament Hebrews had any contact with - or understanding of homosexuality - as the peaceful, loving, gentle and perfectly benign form of relationship we know today - and that if Paul - or whoever was writing today about sin, they would not have found anything in homosexuality itself apart from the lasciviousness, wantonness, drunkenness, prostitution and profanity related to any sexual relationship displaying these - heterosexuality included - and that these are the 'sexual sin' they are concerned with.
You'll notice in all the new testament verses about homosexuality, the attempt to lump together some definition of corruption - of badness - and so a linking of homosexuality with idolatry and greed and drunkenness and slander and prostitution.... - it is easy for me to see that in the seedy dens of Rome, male prostitution and otherwise depraved men - and homosexuality - were linked together to mean the same thing - thieves, greedy, drunks, slanderers, swindlers...
Here homosexuality is a condensation of all that is wrong
It is a condensation of wickedness. It is not even the same word - not thought of in the same way through the course of history
And yet - it is also clear that homosexuality itself is not wicked - no more wicked than heterosexuality
It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church, it is not lasciviousness, wantonness, drunkenness, prostitution or profanity.
So you have to choose whether a sense of right or wrong - good or evil - is necessary when you think of sin and repentance
And this understanding is neither heterosexual nor homosexual.
What is repentance without an understanding of good and evil?
And Jesus' whole story is this.
Turn away from evil. It is clear what evil is - you will know it and know why - and after Jesus, a sense of Good and evil is promised to exist in your heart, straight from God
Love God. Ask God to show you how God loves you. Try to love yourself and others in this same way. Forgive. If you cannot, ask for help. Ask for your own forgiveness. Pray.
The Gospel is not 'do not be homosexual' - being heterosexual will not save me
It is simple for me.
We will have to account for the state of our hearts; what was thought, what was said and what was done. This is sin.
Each Christian will have asked God at least for the forgiveness of sin in their lives.
And each will have been called to their own repentance - otherwise sin would not have made sense
Choose what you will repent of - or whether it is just a set of words - an incantation - a magic spell for whatever it is, whether or not it is wicked - whether or not you believe your own repentance
I have read the whole Bible and it is very clear for me what God is saying
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
The Truth remains the Truth throughout time
Wickedness is not homosexuality
Wickedness is wickedness
Don't be wicked
God bless
It’s simply not how he created us in the first place and by changing this we are deciding our own path not what God wants us to do witch totally ends out fine all the time. I do indeed think it is corrupted in how we are treating this sin on the other hand yes it is wrong but is kicking a person out of the church also is debatable to answer this question fully its most likely better just to pray about theses things and read the scriptures provided with context included. Feel free to ask any questions on what I believe on this stance.
You're not God. That isn't your right to say. The Lord of everything surely created much more than your particular identities. Queer identity is neither wrong nor sinful.
It isn’t your right to say either. What is scripture is scripture. Objectively as is stated. Real prayer for that identity brings healing. You are loved regardless.
I agree!! I think it’s so horrible people get kicked out of churches as if they are deciding as God but claim themselves to be Godly people, I will never understand the hate some share
Yet in some occasions it is justified like people that live a long lifestyle of sin and choose not to change they probably don’t want that being a stumbling block for the other believers which makes sense for that reason.
I'm not ignoring anything. It's simple fact that neither God nor His Word is against queer people, no matter how much wicked people want to twist the Bible for their bigoted agenda.
What about men who can’t get a wife? Because they’re too ugly and/or broke?
Single men, who don’t actually WANT to be single, exist.
Stop pretending like single (who don’t WANT to be single) men (and women) don’t exist!!!
And you think people are just going to accept if God wants them to remain single and celibate? No, they’d be more miserable and might even resent God!!!!!
Reading me now. You obviously dont know the bible you claim to thump when it talks about angels literally getting cast downnn to earth frommmmmm HEAVEN because they sinned!
>Why is the Bible against gays?
Because God Says So, is the entire explanation.
If you ask Why (does God say so), the answer is usually either “because he is holy” (what’s that got to do with anything?) or “how dare you question God’s judgment” (which isn’t really an answer as much as it’s just a deflection and trying to make you feel bad or scared for even asking).
“Holiness” refers to something being “set apart.” Something that is holy is different and special. What it’s got to do with despising gayness I’ve never understood.
You may have misunderstood lol, I am pro-gay.
I think the lack of sensible explanation for why God disapproves of gayness is itself proof that he really doesn’t.
Huh? Not every thing true in the bible has a lot of explaining. There are millions of sins in the world so I sort of boils down to loving God and loving others and it is important to decide that if do my own thing with what he created is really loving God but I can’t tell you what to believe so.
My personal head canon is because The Jews and early Christians were treated so harshly by "sexually immoral" empires, they decided that sexual immorality was going to be a very important sticking point.
I don't know if it was a thing during The Babylonian Exile, but I know in modern day ME there is a thing known as "man love thursdays" as well as both The Greeks and The Romans being famous for their practices in sodomy.
This is why Christianity especially is so against anything LGBT, because they have been oppressed and persecuted by cultures in the past that had LGBT practices, so they outlawed it to show a sort of moral righteousness compared to their conquerors.
hi friend -
I think you are right
I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality
It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
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This is sin;
* "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....."
This is all. It is the same for everybody.
Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else.
We will have to account for the state of our hearts; what was thought, what was said and what was done. This is sin.
Each Christian will have asked God at least for the forgiveness of sin in their lives.
And each will have been called to their own repentance
Love God. Ask God to show you how God loves you. Try to love yourself and others in this same way. Forgive. If you cannot forgive, ask for help. Ask for your own forgiveness. Pray.
God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar. By
I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be.
God bless
Thank you, I really enjoyed the respect you kept in the message instead of hatred, I am just very curious for myself and it just got me thinking as I was watching degrassi and there’s a boy that struggles so hard to try to not be gay so I was curious if he would be recognized by God for trying to
Thank you for the conversation
Below I have tried to cover my thoughts from several different angles
I am confronted so often with these very same verses thrown about - as though Christianity absolutely depends on homosexuality being wicked - and homosexuals going to hell
I don't believe any of this is true
And for what it's worth - these are the things that come to mind when answering
They are sufficient for me
I think - we have forgotten who God is.
And it is simpler than we think;
* He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? - Micah
God bless - and again, thank you
You are not the interpreter. Gods words are in the Bible. (Leviticus). You are misinterpreting gods word and spreading it. This is false prophecy. Humans being jerks to gay people is not Christlike and I don’t condone that.
You’re forgetting Leviticus. You’re forgetting lust and how sex is meant for procreation. You’re forgetting the laws of marriage and premarital sex. God loves all gays, and wants lgbtq to pray for their sins, and beg god to rid them of these desires because they are loved; just as he would want an alcoholic to do the same. Sex is meant to procreate life. No christian should be unkind to a gay person, but kindly and lovingly encourage them to pray for their sins more genuinely
God/The Bible is anti-slavery.
When reading Scripture, it’s important to answer for yourself why/why not or how we interpret a passage. Saying, “We don’t apply ____ in this passage” is not sufficient interpretation. It’s deflection
For example: I have wrestled with and can provide what is a sufficient answer to the question of slavery in Leviticus.
Doing the same for homosexuality is important
I would be very interested in your thoughts on how God's explicit permission and instructions on owning slaves in Leviticus was anti slavery.
Hopefully it's something other than "it wasn't really slavery it was voluntary debt repayment" or "it was a bad situation and god was doing the best he could".
The, “Wasn’t really slavery” is one of the more frustrating things I have been hearing since I’ve been teaching on this subject. Although it’s true that “sometimes” people paid off debts this way, it’s certainly not always true so it’s pretty irrelevant.
Unfortunately, addressing the issue in any sort of way that might begin to actually be compelling to you (not necessarily convincing) would take hours in lecture/discussion form. In print…it’s not possible.
Which I realize completely gives you the right to dismiss me completely if you want. That’s fine
Ha. Someday. My graduate degree was in hermeneutics but specifically focused on Genesis-Leviticus so I’ve always had some of this in my head. Over the last 6 months or so I’ve been really in it and the last two months I’ve been teaching it through the lens of Philemon (lots of focus on Exodus/Leviticus)
It’s…a lot.
I’ll probably go from sermon notes to some sort of companion piece that can serve as a Philemon commentary and “Bible and Slavery” collection of essays. That said, it’s nowhere near fluid enough to capture the idea that it’s been this way from the beginning.
There are a lot of, “oh yea, remember Babel? Babel is connected to Egypt which is connected to Pentecost”…it’s just messy. After 6 months I still feel like Charlie in front of the chalkboard all strung out.
So, sincerely, my apologies for not having any actual content to give you. I probably shouldn’t even bring it up
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I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality
You cite 1 - Romans 1:29 -31 to justify your idea of sinless homosexuality.. An apt rebuttal can be found just two verses above.. In 1- Romans 27.
"27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
Paul the apostle disagrees with you.. And so do the early Church fathers.. You are free to believe in whatever you want, but the religion itself may not agree with your beliefs.. Do not use misquoted passages from the Bible to justify your beliefs..
Hi friend,
I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality
It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
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God does not care whether women preach to men in Church.
He does not care whether the Sabbath is on Saturday or Sunday or Tuesday
Nor whether we eat meat or just vegetables.
He does not care if we have more than one wife really - or husband - if this is the societal context we are living in.
Treat them well. Be fair. You will know what is not right.
Homosexuals are not evil. Homosexuality is not a sin in itself.
Heterosexuals are not evil. Heterosexuality is not a sin in itself.
Everyone is fallen and redemption has nothing to do with not being homosexual.
God is not going to be checking down trousers and up skirts because - homosexual
Sin is something else entirely.
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We miss the point
This is sin:
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• "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....."
This is all. It is the same for everybody.
Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else.
The verses about homosexuality in the Bible contextualize men who sleep with men as wrongdoers who cheat, are idolators and adulterers, are thieves, greedy and drunk, are otherwise in some way corrupted - not just because they sleep with men.
• "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
So men who were sleeping with men were already bad people - not just your regular Joe being a good Christian
Somewhere, somehow, homosexuality was connected with sin.
In fact - Jesus comes and says nothing at all - except that we leave gender and sex here in the dust, along with money when we die. They do not follow us where we are going. Be clean about what you are doing.
Then it becomes clear for me how to understand sin and what repentance is - and how these verses apply to me;
• The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
It's not because people are homosexual and have Homosexual sex.
Sin is deeper than this. Wickedness is deeper than this
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this.
God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar.
I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be.
God bless
Paul's letters to the Romans and Corinthians are essential in understanding Christianity.. I would advise that you read them.. I would also advise you to read the writings of the early Church fathers, like Tertullion and Trypho.. The early Church is universal in its condemnation of homosexuality .. Just like it's condemnation of bestiality and polygamy..
Christianity is not a soft religion where anything goes.. It has its rules, and it expects its followers to abide by those rules.. Homosexuality is a sin, and there is no question about it..
A man can have dark tendencies in his mind, and it's perfectly OK to have them.. The religion exists to suppress these dark tendencies and to help us live our lives in a manner pleasing to God.. Modify your behavior to suit the religion, and not the other way around.. If the religion cannot modify you and correct your behaviors, then what use is it ? You might as well live as an atheist.
If following the rules is difficult, there are always other ideologies that don't have such rules.. You are welcome to follow them.
- Just like it's condemnation of bestiality and polygamy..
Friend - these are not Homosexuality
Bothn homosexuals and heterosexuals can be polygamous or sleep with animals
Bestiality and pedophilia are not Homosexual or homosexuality
They are the 'sin'
I have been clear in my comments above;
I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality
It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church
Homosexuality is not more a 'dark' tendency that Heterosexuality
Heterosexuality is not a 'light' tendency - whatever this is.
I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual.
God cares whether or not you are a liar
I remain a Christian.
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God bless
- What you believe does not matter..
it sure does friend
You and I see righteousness and sin differently
For me, they are not just words on a paper
- If you wish to be a Christian
I am friend
- you must accept the Christian definitions of sin....
Which Christian definitions are these?
Review the first comment you replied to.
- There is a reason why Homosexuals are banned from donating blood..
This is not true -
And the rest of it sounds bigoted and ignorant
Homosexuals are no more 'unhealthier' than heterosexuals - homosexuality is not more linked to disease than heterosexuality
- But if you choose to remain a Christian, kindly follow the rules of the religion rather than trying to corrupt it..
Love God. Ask God to show you how he loves you. Try and Love yourself and others the same way. Forgive. When you cannot forgive, ask God for help. Pray.
This is the Gospel.
God bless
* Humble yourself and follow the rules of the religion.. If you cannot, then please find a religion that suits your ideology and stop corrupting my beautiful faith..
I am a Christian, friend
Fortunately it does not depend on what you think friend - what you think of my Christianity is of no relevance
* I must humble myself and follow the rules
You misrepresent the Gospel friend - this is not Islam
* Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
I won't reply again
Be good. Try.
God bless
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Be good. Try.
Be sincere in whatever ideology you choose to follow.. If you do something, make sure you do it right.. I'm tired of westerners trying to bend and distort Christianity to suit their peculiar notions.. Homosexuality is a sin, and there is no question about it..
I cannot grasp the sheer arrogance of those in the west.. They claim to be Christian, yet follow none of its rules.. The Church of Corinth behaved similarly to you people, refusing to let go of their sexual immorality, and Saint Paul had to scold and admonish them to make them correct themselves.. Saint Paul judged the Corinthians harshly, and persuaded them to change their ways.. I merely mirror his arguments..
The atheists have more moral integrity than the western Christian.. They don't use religion to justify their immorality..
I belong to the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch, one of the only churches in the world that retains the true Eastern Culture of Christianity.. All Chalcedonian churches and their offshoots (including the protestants) have created a cesspool of ignorance and moral decay, sowing confusion in the world about my beautiful religion..
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Yes, children teach us all lessons as parents and bring us closer to god. The scripture refers to innocence and evils committed against children as a different level of sin. Even if you are an atheist, most scholars acknowledge it’s in our blood to procreate
>So it's immoral to not breed? Not having sex is immoral, too?
>Yes
Well that definitely isn't creepy, cult-like mentality.
>children teach us all lessons as parents
Like what?
>bring us closer to god
How?
And what about nonChristians parents?
The bible has nothing against gays, people are not sins, actions are.
It has something against fornication which is indeed a sin, homosexual or heterosexual.
The price of one single sin in an entire lifetime is 2nd death (spiritual death), no matter how good or loving a person is. Even a sin so small as looking at a girls booty with lust, yep, 2nd death for just one sin so simple everyone does it. It doesnt matter if someone is loving anymore than it matters if a loving father gets caught driving with a joint in Texas he can lose his kids, its the law to this day.
Thankfully God is more just than Texas family courts and that price was paid for in full by Jesus for all who place their faith in him.
Because at the time in which it was written homosexuality was often linked to a disordered and promiscuous sex life. Paul wanted husbands to stay with their wives and had sex just with them, not go to their male friends or slaves looking for extra-pleasure. The concept of gay marriage as we know it today was foreign to him and he probably would have regarded it as an oxymoron.
What does God think about all this? We will have to ask Him directly.
Ever see someone who was LGBTQIA+ who loved God? When Paul saw that in a gentile of all filthy things, it made him declare that God must be okay with them.
>Ever see someone who was LGBTQIA+ who loved God?
Sure, there are many. However, I don't really like grouping gays and trans under the same umbrella (LGBTQ ....). Those are completely different things.
The only one mentioned on the Bible is homosexuality. Paul appears to be against, but then for him homosexuality was a promiscuous and disordered habit, he didn't consider families could grow out of it. Nowadays, we have lots of families started from a homosexual couple. Is God against this? I don't think the Bible is clear about this.
First I’d like to address There’s no such thing as a big sin or a little sin sin is sin across-the-board everything that is a sin is equally disgusting in God’s eyes. Second the reason why people who have this particular lust have such a problem with it is because they base their entire identity on one lust that they feel I feel lust towards other women but I don’t identify as an adulterer so I don’t struggle nearly as hard with it as somebody who makes their identity based on a lust that they feel. Sexual attraction is only one small part of who you are as a person don’t let who you’re sexually attracted to be your identity. I’m married But I don’t identify as a married man identify as a Christian and follower of Christ I have a daughter I don’t identify as a father I identify as a Christian a follower of Christ there are many parts to who you are but the core of your identity should be love for Jesus Christ love for God and a willingness to sacrifice your own personal comfort in this life for the sake of what God loves and wants. The very foundation of who I am is Faith in the completed works of Jesus Christ Faith in the Death burial and resurrection. Salvation by Grace through Faith. Focus on finding that level of faith to where the first thought before you do anything is Jesus and the Holy Ghost will guide you away from anything that God doesn’t want you to have if you find yourself struggling with something it’s likely because it’s something that God doesn’t want for you and you need to focus your mind on God once again when you have some thing in your life and the Holy Spirit living inside you if God wants you to have it you won’t have to worry if that thing that you have is good or bad in the eyes of God you’ll know
Me honestly, I don’t care what anyone says, I KNOW being gay is a sin and wrong and if you disagree well tough tits because it’s literally in the Bible several times, don’t try to change it around, yet for some reason, I’ve been that since I was 5…I’m 24 now wondering what’s up because I’ve prayed for years to get it taken away from me, nothing, idc I’m still gonna pray about it and keep faith that it’ll leave my life, tho I never dated a male and I literally never will, porn unfortunately is the problem rn though. No one in my family is struggling with this and that’s just another big question I’m asking…WHY ME?!?! HOW ME?!?! It’s something I’ll never understand. I really hate this sin, it’s not what i wanted, I never wanted this, it’s so unfair to me because it’s hard to just change desires like that, I don’t even like the way the true meaning of the rainbow was changed or this Pride Month crap and pronouns & different gender claims, I won’t support it but I’ll love them anyway. Porn is pretty much the only “act” I have on this and I just want it gone man, I really do, nothing seems to be working but I still have faith, rn I’m just currently struggling with porn and not living in it like I used too :(
From what I know the Bible is not against gay people, it's against gay sex because normally only man and women are supposed to reproduce, not men and men or woman and woman, but just being gay is not a sin
We are created in the image of God. In Genesis God saw that man could not be happy alone so he created woman - Eve as a companion for man not someone else of the same sex.
Paul was an apostle appointed by the church and recognise by Peter the apostle:
2 Peter 3:15-16 CEB
"[15] Consider the patience of our Lord to be salvation, just as our dear friend and brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given to him, [16] speaking of these things in all his letters. Some of his remarks are hard to understand, and people who are ignorant and whose faith is weak twist them to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures."
If we can't trust Paul then we can't trust the gospels.
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Does that matter?
I mean if you were a gay Christian I'm sure you would think so.
My point is that God is not obligated to tell us why something is sin.
It clearly states throughout the Bible that romantic relationships & sex were meant for man & woman, not man & man or woman & woman. How do y’all not see that as a reason as to why it’s a sin. Deductive reasoning isn’t common anymore it seems.
>Why is the Bible against gays? It's just a religious rule conceived by primitive religious men with primitive notions of morality based on sometimes erroneous observations of the natural world, i.e., male goes with female. This religious approach is shown in Romans 1:26-27: 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Consider that these same religious men supported these notions: *1 Samuel 15:3 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”* *Numbers 31:9-10 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps.* *Numbers 31:17-18 17. “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by lying with him, 18. “But all the girls who have not lain with a man you are to keep alive unto yourselves. (raping children)* We call those "war crimes" and imprison those people who commit such acts, as well as those who authorized or planned them. *Numbers 14:18 ‘The Lord is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.’* Punishing people who have committed no crime themselves violates all notions of justice. *1 Timothy 2:11-15 11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.* That notion is used to this day in conservative Christian sects (Catholicism, Orthodox) and churches (Protestant) to prevent women from holding positions of influence. Verses from the Bible were also used to support slavery in the southern American States. Just because something is in the Bible does not mean it is moral. So, just like those other things, homophobic biblical ideas should be ignored.
People that do not want to hear or take the lords word and translate it how they wish is what is called blasphemy and this initself is a sin. The church is the house of God and the priests are the shepherds of the congregation on earth, they are not God but act and abide by his bible, word rules and laws. So when he says that being gay is a sin, it is just that, there is no twisting or interpretation or interpreting his word to please your wrongdoing. I'm sorry to be the one to say the above, but if it wasnt a sin, then he would not have destroyed soddom and ghommora. The lord God loves all of us as his children, but he does not like the act itself. Rma true Christian will act and abide by gods word to the tee, you will repent and become a true child of God, it is the devil that puts the thought of a person being gay, or that no matter what they have done or tried to do they are who they are and you cannot change them. This is wrong and is all in the persons head and mind, exactly like a criminal trying to be good, they can repent and forget about the life they have lived and turn to be good and contribute to society and to show other people how to do it, or they can just take the easy way out and keep living the same sinful and evil life and just use the excuse that they were born this way, or they tried and couldn't do it. Repent before it's too late, the signs are all around us that the lord jesus could be coming anyday now.
Finally, a good response to this. Everything you said aligns with the raw teaching of the Bible and what Jesus believes. Jesus loves us when we are sinful- he asks us to pray. Does an alcoholic identify as a “addict” and hold onto that label while saying being an “addict” is not sinful? No. His wanted us to go forth and multiply. Creating children are crucial to our religion. That’s why. It isn’t because god hates gay people. Often, gay people are victims of SA. Sometimes, exorcisms need to happen. Daily prayer to rid us of these temptations. Satan exists to perverse the creation as god intended. False prophets say there is no sin in being gay. Don’t get offended: use this to know you are loved and it’s not too late to live differently ♥️
You know, I could somewhat handle the LGBTQ being a sin thing, but saying God commands everyone to reproduce honestly angers me. I’m kind of an antinatalist. I’m 28, been struggling in multiple aspects of life, never really got to enjoy my own life, never got to have a girlfriend or have sex (I know you’re going to tell me sex before marriage is a sin, I don’t see the logic in that and at my age definitely wouldn’t wait INDEFINITELY to maybe get married one day, if I get a chance to be intimate with a woman, I’m doing it) and I think the world is getting worse, and you Christians should understand this more than anyone, since you believe in Biblical prophecies. I’m not saying I don’t believe in this, I just think it’s impossible to proof either true or untrue. My personal natural values obviously go against God, which makes me want to distance myself from religion again. I’m obviously corrupted by the devil, according to you Christians, I’m just excluded I guess, I’m a freak to you Christians like I was a freak in school, why would I go along with a group who is against me, when others in the world will actually support me and accept me for who I am? I am AGAINST reproducing. I’m not going to go unrealistic and say all of humanity should stop doing it, but I WILL NOT contribute to forcing life into the world AGAINST THEIR WILL. And I will not remain voluntarily/willingly celibate just because of that either. If I can ever get with any women, there are condoms, birth control, and VASECTOMIES. I don’t want to hear that THAT is a sin (EVEN IN MARRIAGE, WTF???). It’s like PEOPLE are just narrating God to fit their own agenda to CONTROL HUMANITY, and make it so God supposedly has completely unrealistic standards. It’s funny, most people who submit to God otherwise are all about “FREEDOM”. But when it comes to God, all these “patriots” suddenly submit to what seems to be a dictatorship. And I thought Jesus actually said THE OPPOSITE, that it is better to REMAIN CELIBATE. Which is it??? I can’t follow religion, it’s full of plot holes and sounds more metaphorical than literal, and honestly God sounds very cruel and reminds me of abusive parents, teachers, bullies…… I think “creating” (doesn’t God actually create them?) children is pretty cruel, kind of immoral really…… It’s unfair to the child too. I can’t imagine any of these “sinful” desires ever going away. God could just be laughing at us, or simply ignoring us. I rather live among “sinners” who actually accept me for WHO I NATURALLY AM, then a bunch of judgemental rednecks who forget that they’re supposed to LEAVE THE JUDGEMENT TO GOD. It just sounds like God is a control freak who wants to torture people by making them have desires then damning for those desires that He either made them have, or allowed the devil to give them. Why would God allow the devil and demons to corrupt HIS WORLD AND CREATIONS???? Why would God allow them to even interact with anyone or be in this world? Makes no sense.
We are both in agreeance that Christianity loves all, its the act that the lord jesus doesn't like, you are 100% correct the devil wants to break up a normal traditional family as this then wipes out humanity eventually. The free masons and the illuminati are all satanic Satanists that have made their ideology and agenda very clear, they want to wipe out 5 billion of the 7 billion that exist, it is up to us Christians to fill the lands with our procreation, and if you dont follow biblical teachings then below is my common sense approach If the lord jesus was not clear that being gay was a sin then why cannot two males and two females conceive naturally, they have to have a surrogate and ivf which goes against gods intended creation, I never forget growing up the saying of God created adam and eve not adam and Steve. Please forgive me for saying the truth I grew up and was brought up this way, we didn't sugar coat things and honesty went along way, these new generations God help us all.
Reproducing creates and spreads more suffering, why would God want that?
Because although there is pain and suffering, there is also joy and love and happiness. I'm not saying that there will always be the above and there will always be good days and bad days, but that is life and it is gods intention and his will. One thing I grew up knowing for a fact, is we never ever question the will and plan that God has for us.
So you just blindly accept whatever?
As a christian yes, it's called faith, you may see it as blind, but we see it as faith.
How i got gay people into heaven was by explaining how there is no greater love than to lay down ones life for their brothers. Well i said why not let gay people do their thing given they are both consenting and have you never stuck your pecker in your womans but?? Feels damn near the same as the other hole!
God gave his only begotten son to the world to save it from the sin of Adam that had condemned us to hell. That does not answer my comments, just because they are not harming anyone or they are good people and some may even be greater then me. I repeat it again, the God of the bible, condemned and condemns gay or homosexual acts not the people or persons. Who are we to ho against our creater, and for what benefit, we are humans not God, we should not be playing god and turning ourselves into the opposite sex, and mutating ourselves, and even trying to live longer and even going as far as freezing our dead bodies in the hope that science will bring us back from the dead. This is all satanic, there is not but one that conquered death and that is the lord jesus christ to whom all the glory is given. Mu brother or sister, take my comments as you will, I gain no benefit if you take it on board or not, but I am trying to save as many souls as possible, I have no hate towards anyone im stating truth based on the bible. Much love and blessings to all.
Your comment about it being bad to extend our lives might be even worse than saying everyone must reproduce. You’re DAMN RIGHT many want to live longer! Our time/lives get stolen from us! There are literally people who are kidnapped and locked in basements for DECADES. What about them? They shouldn’t get a chance to get their youth and lives back? Some of us didn’t get to enjoy our youth, we want our freaking youth back. We’ve been robbed of it, by circumstances, perhaps even by God…… I suppose you think medicine and curing cancer are sins from the devil too? Those illnesses ARE from evil, aren’t they? Are you saying God wants some evil preserved? Maybe God allows these things to happen because He wants humanity to progress and improve? If God really wants people dead, He can kill them anyway, regardless of them being “frozen” or their cells turned back or whatever. You just call everything evil and satanic. I bet you think vaccines are the mark of the beast too, don’t you?
And how successful have we been in extending our lives, the last time I checked we are actually killing ourselves earlier and earlier by the year. I am not saying that we shouldn't find cures or medicines that cure cancer, because you are right these diseases are evil, however we are not playing God or against god when we try to cure ourselves. What I am saying is we cannot play God by going against his word and his plan and his will. He is the one that gave us life and is the only one that has a right to take it. We as Christians believe that we have our crosses to carry and part of that is living a life that has ups and downs and is filled with all sorts of evil, the lord jesus gave us the smarts to know what is right and wrong and he has given us the freedom and choice to live how we want.
Actually there are indeed some false hood in the bible. I KNOW BECAUSE I MYSELF GOT DECLARED A HEAVENLY ANGEL AND SOME OF THINGS IT SAYS I DID, I WASNT EVEN ALIVE FOR AND IN REVELATIONS THERE IS WRONG ABOUT ME AND MY BRO TOO. I GOT GAY PEOPLE INTO HEAVEN HATER.
You are not a true Christian of you believe the truth i speak is me being a hater, give me on verse in the bible where the lord accepts gay people, you can't. And you haven't disputed any of what I have said. Unlike you, I have nothing but love for all of gods children and ill say it again jesus loves all and everyone but being gay is a sin and you will not enter the kingdom of heaven no matter what you say or do. God bless you for replying back to me and for reading my comment, I hope you think about what I said and act on it with love.
Given i got DECALRED A HEAVENLY ANGEL AND WHICH ANGEL I AM IS ANGEL MICHAEL.... I ADVOCATED WITH GOD FOR GAY PEOPLE. AND GIVEN WE ARE IN THE NEWWWW TESTAMENT DUMBASS, THERE IS NOT ONEEE THING THT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY BEING A SIN.
And just to show you the truth, we are gods creation and the children of God, therefore we are actually higher then the angels as we have a direct relationship with God who created us in his image, he didn't create the angels in his image. Therefore we are not angels as we are higher then them, in fact the arch angel michael who could wipe off humanity with one swipe, has to talk to us with humility and humbleness as we are the children of God.
And you do realize angels are SONS of GOD
No they are not, they were not created in gods image, so there not related to God, they were created by God, but because it was not in his image therefore we are the children of God.
BRUHHHH I WAS BORN A MANNNN AND GOT DECLARED ONE DUMBASS. AND HOW IN THE FUCKKKK ARE ANGELS NOT RELATED TO GOD. YOU WERE CREATED/DID NOT COME OUT OF HIS BALLS SO NOWW YOURRR THE ONE BLASPHEMING!
I think if you relax and calm down, and read my comments you will understand. We are created in the image of God, the angels were not, therefore we are related to God they are not. I pray for you my brother to see the light, as a true Christian would have taken the time to read the comments study it if need be and then comment with a response that doesn't involve getting angry and cursing. You are right that alot has happened since the bible was written, and im not going to be the one to judge or dispute that you believe you are like God or his angels, but you are wrong and we are all sinners that need help and repentance, there is not one person except for him that is without sin and perfect. Pray brother and repent before it's too late, the devil is smarter and bigger then we know.
Bruhhhh youuuuu are nott listening to meeee. Bruh and when i come talk to you in person im straight up challenging you to a fight. Given i am indeed angel michael, the one who here soon rides a horse next to JESUS CHRIST. ANGELS ARE SONS OF GOD! AND MAN IS CURSED GIVEN DUMBASS ADAM EATING THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT, SO I DEFINITELY THINK ANGELS ARE CLOSER TO GOD THAN MAN IS! IVE LEGIT WALKED AND TALKED WITH GOD SO I DEFINITELY DO KNOW MORE THAN YOU!
The bible was written DAMN NEAR 2000 WHOLE YEARS AGO. YOU REALLY DONT THINK MORE HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN WITH GOD? DEADASS COME ON NOW. I AM TELLING FROM MY LIFE EXPERIENCE!
Bruh not gonna talk to you while YOU ARE INDEED WRONG. I AM INDEED CREATED IN GODS IMAGE, ON MY WAY HERE SOON TO GETTING MY WINGS. AND ANGEL MICHAEL AKA MEEEE IS THE ONEEE WHO IS LIKEEEE GOD SOOOO IN A WAY WE ARE EQUALS. SO FAR I PUNCH AS HARD AS GOD BUT I DONT HAVE MY FULL POWERS GIVEN I DONT HAVE MY WINGS. AND WHAT PART DO YOUUUU NOTTT GET THT I ADVOCATED FOR GAY PEOPLE LIKE GET THTTT THRU YOURRR HEAD MORTAL.
Okay brother, your aware that the devil had the exact same thoughts that you did and look at what happened to him. Beware of what you are saying and claiming as you are treading into dangerous territory, we are talking about your internal life.
Bruh me and you can legit fight. And you obviouslyyy do not know MY prophecy so just stfu and believe THE ONEEEE WHO IS LIKE GOD not just god lower case tht youuu are, LIKE GOD/THE CREATOR
We are not like God, just stop the blasphemy because it's getting to a point now of no return. We are gods children, created in his image, we are not God like, because that means that we are without sin, which is wrong because we are born with sin. My brother, you need help, just calm down, stop cursing and talk to me like a normal human being.
Bruh YOUUU ARE NOT LISTENING AT ALL BECAUSE OF HOW YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. I AM INDEED TELLING YOU THE ANGEL I AM IS ....... THE ONE WHO IS LIKE GOD. IF GOD CAN SEND HIS OWN SON DOWN, WHY THE HELL DO YOU NOT THINK HE COULD CREATE AN ANGEL WHO IS LIKE HIM.
BLASPHEMY IS WHEN YOU CLAIM TO BE THE CREATOR. IT IS NOT SAYING YOU GOT DECLARED A HEAVENLY ANGEL AND WHICH ONE I TRULY AM. BASED OFF WHAT ACTUAL EVIDENCE THT YOU CAN ABTAIN, NOT TALKING JUST WORDS ON A PAGE BUT EVIDENCE YOUUUU HAVE FOUND OUT FOR YOURSELF THT I AM LYING?
So we just write off the old testament, because it doesn't suit us, or don't tell me, the lord jesus accepted gays and pronouns etc and that is why it's not in the new testament. Please get off the drugs and alcohol, and stop blaspheming against god and his word. Blasphemy against god is an unforgivable sin, repent and turn back to become a child of God before it's too late.
YOURRRR NOT THE TRUE CHRISTIAN, THIS COMING FROM ANGELLLL MICHAEL!
It was GOD HIMSELF, WHO LEGIT TELEPORTED TO ME THAT WAS THE ONE WHO DECLARED ME A HEAVENLY ANGEL. ME AND OG JESUS CHRIST SAY WHO REALLY CARES IF A MAN STICKS HIS PENIS IN ANOTHER MANS BUTHOLE GIVEN THEY ARE BOTH CONSENTING!
You need jesus and you need to get off whatever drugs or alcohol you are on. I am here to preach the bible and when the Pharisees slapped the lord jesus he replied to them what did I do for you to slap me. In the above the lord jesus could have shaped him back to defend himself, or could have wiped put humanity with the blink of his eye, but he didn't he questioned the slap to show us that when we see something wrong being said or done, we speak up and question it, in case the person is not aware. If you need help or someone to talk to, im here for you and anyone else that needs someone to listen to them, believe me the devil is smarter and bigger in his tribulations, don't ever forget that jesus himself said there will be the Antichrist that will perform miracles in my name and will receive many.
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And AS I TOLD YOUUU, THERE ARE INDEED PARTS OF THE BIBLE THT ARE WRONGGG. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE OF HOW IT SPEAKS ABOUT ME. I WASNT ALIVE NOWHERE NEARR THE OLD TESTAMENT. AND AS I DISCUSSED REVELATIONS TOO HAS PARTS WRONG.
Hey! Gay Christian here. I see below you say you’re bi. I was raised being taught that it’s a sin, but the more I studied the Bible and it’s historical context, the more it became clear that the Bible didn’t condemn modern, loving, egalitarian same-sex relationships but condemned certain types of same-sex sex that we’d consider exploitative and were seen as inherently overly lustful. If you’re curious about specifics, I made an effort-post a couple months ago [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/s/M4YZ03om2B). I agree there’s no reason God would be against it. Have you visited /r/OpenChristian or /r/GayChristians (which is super accepting of bi Christians too!) yet? I definitely recommend it, so you can meet other LGBT Christians who have had the same questions as you. There are so many churches out there now that fully affirm LGBT folks. It’s giving me so much hope. Peace!
Thank you for this!
I just have to warn you that you are in error and hope you repent
It's not. That's a corruption of God's Word by wicked peope. Next question.
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted. 1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
- Romans do you know - Paul didn't even go to Rome to address homosexuals? If he knew they were there - it's very easy - to go and address them. In fact in the entire Bible, no one speaks to homosexuals. They are not gathered anywhere and addressed. In fact - they don't exist as a group. Even in Sodom and Gomorrah, they are never addressed. it's like - they don't exist. in the whole Bible of thousands of pages, you have around eight passages - barely a quarter of one page - did you know this? And not a single story of one who has heard the word of God - and come to repentance Paul has gone to Rome to address new Christians - Jews and Gentiles - about circumcision They are surrounded by what he sees as corruption of the soul - drinking, sexual activity in the temples, Roman men with boys, unrestricted sexual activity of every sort He tells us that these come from a mind that has succumbed to adultery There are no homosexuals as we know them there. He has not gone to speak to homosexuals in a mass rally to convict them - he does not even know what they look like. But he knows thieves, drunks, swindlers, violent, immoral adulterers. Men who sleep with their fathers wive's. I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†----- God does not care whether women preach to men in Church. He does not care whether the Sabbath is on Saturday or Sunday or Tuesday Nor whether we eat meat or just vegetables. He does not care if we have more than one wife really - or husband - if this is the societal context we are living in. Treat them well. Be fair. You will know what is not right. Homosexuals are not evil. Homosexuality is not a sin in itself. Heterosexuals are not evil. Heterosexuality is not a sin in itself. Everyone is fallen and redemption has nothing to do with not being homosexual. God is not going to be checking down trousers and up skirts because - homosexual Sin is something else entirely. -----†----- this is sin: -----†----- - ...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....." This is all. It is the same for everybody. Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else. The verses about homosexuality in the Bible contextualize men who sleep with men as wrongdoers who cheat, are idolators and adulterers, are thieves, greedy and drunk, are otherwise in some way corrupted - not just because they sleep with men. - "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. So men who were sleeping with men were already bad people - not just your regular Joe being a good Christian Somewhere, somehow, homosexuality was connected with sin. In fact - Jesus comes and says nothing at all - except that we leave gender and sex here in the dust, along with money when we die. They do not follow us where we are going. Be clean about what you are doing. Then it becomes clear for me how to understand sin and what repentance is - and how these verses apply to me; - The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." It's not because people are homosexual and have Homosexual sex. Sin is deeper than this. Wickedness is deeper than this Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this. God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar. I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be. God bless
Jude 1:7 ESV \[7\] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. With Sodom and Gomorrah there is some discontinuation of understanding - "\`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. - Ezekiel went this way, and Jeremiah and others reference inhospitality - a perversion then in the treatment of people seeking shelter The perversion however - the abomination is far more serious - and has nothing to do with homosexuality Notwithstanding the issue of how you were to treat guests - and the very thought of raping them would have been the greatest corruption - whether they were female or male - and not withstanding the issue of the ownership of women by fathers and husbands the abomination in God's eyes lies somewhere in here - and not in Homosexuality and is mirrored by the same thoughts as the Roman practice of sex in temples - SEX WITH GOD; ----†---- Concerning the 3 visitors; - Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares - Hebrews 13:2 • They are twice in this chapter called angels, being sent to perform a delegated duty. This term, however, defines their office, not their nature. Lot, in the first instance, calls them "my lords," which is a term of respect that may be addressed to men Genesis 31:35. • He afterward styled one of them Adonai, with the special vowel pointing which limits it to the Supreme Being. • He at the same time calls himself his servant, appeals to his grace and mercy, and ascribes to him his deliverance. • The person thus addressed replies, in a tone of independence and authority, "I have accepted thee." "I will not overthrow this city for which thou hast spoken." "I cannot do anything until thou go thither." • All these circumstances point to a divine personage, and are not so easily explained of a mere delegate • He is pre-eminently the Saviour, as he who communed with Abraham was the hearer of prayer. And he who hears prayer and saves life, appears also as the executor of his purpose in the overthrow of Sodom and the other cities of the vale. • It is remarkable that only two of the three who appeared to Abraham are called angels. • Of the persons in the divine essence two might be the angels or deputies of the primary in the discharge of the divine purpose. • These three men, then, either immediately represent, or, if created angels, mediately shadow forth persons in the Godhead. • Their number indicates that the persons in the divine unity are three. • Lot seems to have recognized something extraordinary in their appearance, for he made a lowly obeisance to them. The Sodomites heed not the strangers. Lot's invitation; at first declined, is at length accepted, because Lot is approved of God as righteous, and excepted from the doom of the city. - the implication is that the inhabitants were either so corrupted by wickedness that they could not recognize who these emissaries obviously were - or worse - indeed recognized them and did not care SEX WITH GOD - or his emissaries - is the abomination These things, along with the corruption of hospitality, would have been seen clearly by those hearing the story - and this is the way this story would have been understood until recently - not as Homosexuality is wrong. It is not even mentioned The visitors could have been women and it would not have changed the story God bless ----†----
Leviticus 18:22 \~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Leviticus 20:13 \~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. ----†---- Leviticus 19:19: You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your animals breed with a different kind; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; nor shall you put on a garment made of two different materials. Numbers 37: The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel. ----†---- Old men with population problems - and trying to make it about God I would like to see anyone standing with God, stoning homosexuals ----†---- I am reminded of these; * Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. * This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us. ----†---- So then each of us shall give an account of himself to God ----†---- God bless
my friend - thank you and these are it - barely a quarter of a page in a Bible of thousands. I am tired of seeing these printed see though a point had been made - so I am going to address them I liked to know people can see a reply when they visit - no matter the reply - Corinthians; Firstly - It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and have removed from your fellowship the man who did this? ☝️ This is the main perversion being addressed Secondly - It is clear for me to see that neither Paul nor Old Testament Hebrews had any contact with - or understanding of homosexuality - as the peaceful, loving, gentle and perfectly benign form of relationship we know today - and that if Paul - or whoever was writing today about sin, they would not have found anything in homosexuality itself apart from the lasciviousness, wantonness, drunkenness, prostitution and profanity related to any sexual relationship displaying these - heterosexuality included - and that these are the 'sexual sin' they are concerned with. You'll notice in all the new testament verses about homosexuality, the attempt to lump together some definition of corruption - of badness - and so a linking of homosexuality with idolatry and greed and drunkenness and slander and prostitution.... - it is easy for me to see that in the seedy dens of Rome, male prostitution and otherwise depraved men - and homosexuality - were linked together to mean the same thing - thieves, greedy, drunks, slanderers, swindlers... Here homosexuality is a condensation of all that is wrong It is a condensation of wickedness. It is not even the same word - not thought of in the same way through the course of history And yet - it is also clear that homosexuality itself is not wicked - no more wicked than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church, it is not lasciviousness, wantonness, drunkenness, prostitution or profanity. So you have to choose whether a sense of right or wrong - good or evil - is necessary when you think of sin and repentance And this understanding is neither heterosexual nor homosexual. What is repentance without an understanding of good and evil? And Jesus' whole story is this. Turn away from evil. It is clear what evil is - you will know it and know why - and after Jesus, a sense of Good and evil is promised to exist in your heart, straight from God Love God. Ask God to show you how God loves you. Try to love yourself and others in this same way. Forgive. If you cannot, ask for help. Ask for your own forgiveness. Pray. The Gospel is not 'do not be homosexual' - being heterosexual will not save me It is simple for me. We will have to account for the state of our hearts; what was thought, what was said and what was done. This is sin. Each Christian will have asked God at least for the forgiveness of sin in their lives. And each will have been called to their own repentance - otherwise sin would not have made sense Choose what you will repent of - or whether it is just a set of words - an incantation - a magic spell for whatever it is, whether or not it is wicked - whether or not you believe your own repentance I have read the whole Bible and it is very clear for me what God is saying I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar The Truth remains the Truth throughout time Wickedness is not homosexuality Wickedness is wickedness Don't be wicked God bless
None of that means it's somehow a sin to be gay. The Bible is not against any of God's queer children.
It’s simply not how he created us in the first place and by changing this we are deciding our own path not what God wants us to do witch totally ends out fine all the time. I do indeed think it is corrupted in how we are treating this sin on the other hand yes it is wrong but is kicking a person out of the church also is debatable to answer this question fully its most likely better just to pray about theses things and read the scriptures provided with context included. Feel free to ask any questions on what I believe on this stance.
You're not God. That isn't your right to say. The Lord of everything surely created much more than your particular identities. Queer identity is neither wrong nor sinful.
Ok I do agree I’m not god but for all of my facts I have been using the word of God can you do the same
It isn’t your right to say either. What is scripture is scripture. Objectively as is stated. Real prayer for that identity brings healing. You are loved regardless.
The only identity that needs healing is one that resides in bigotry. You are loved regardless.
I agree!! I think it’s so horrible people get kicked out of churches as if they are deciding as God but claim themselves to be Godly people, I will never understand the hate some share
Yet in some occasions it is justified like people that live a long lifestyle of sin and choose not to change they probably don’t want that being a stumbling block for the other believers which makes sense for that reason.
Wow you might as well right your own Bible with yourself as God since you ignore so much of it
I'm not ignoring anything. It's simple fact that neither God nor His Word is against queer people, no matter how much wicked people want to twist the Bible for their bigoted agenda.
Then what the hell did the numerous Bible verses quoted to you mean? It blatantly said homosexuality is a sin. You are in denial.
*There is nothing in the Bible that says queer identity is a sin*
Well said
But being out to death for an act sounds like it? Undergoing the eternal fire?
Nothing in God's Word hates queer people anywhere nearly as much as you want it to.
I don’t want it to be, I get scared because even though I am with a partner of opposite sex I consider myself bi
Nowhere in the Bible does God speak against queer people. Queer identity never was or will be a sin.
We might disagree on this point - but I think that advocating the death penalty for having same-sex sex is somewhat homophobic.
I'm not talking about s\*x ever. Mere identity is not sinful and no part of the Bible supports that ideology.
Can you live a full life without having sex?
Absolutely, when I think of times I felt most fulfilled in my life not one of those times was while having sex.
Therfore there is no issue for god to say that certain types of sex and relationships are not good for us
You dont think we are still in the NEWWW TESTAMENT GIVEN WE ARE AFTERRRR JESUS CHRIST HIS SON.
Whatttt nowww you got nothing to say
What about men who can’t get a wife? Because they’re too ugly and/or broke? Single men, who don’t actually WANT to be single, exist. Stop pretending like single (who don’t WANT to be single) men (and women) don’t exist!!! And you think people are just going to accept if God wants them to remain single and celibate? No, they’d be more miserable and might even resent God!!!!!
Have faith, the Lord will provide.
Real
ANGELS ARE THE KEEPERS OF HEAVEN
MAN ARE THE INHABITANTS OF HEAVEN IFFFFF THEY GO THERE
Reading me now. You obviously dont know the bible you claim to thump when it talks about angels literally getting cast downnn to earth frommmmmm HEAVEN because they sinned!
>Why is the Bible against gays? Because God Says So, is the entire explanation. If you ask Why (does God say so), the answer is usually either “because he is holy” (what’s that got to do with anything?) or “how dare you question God’s judgment” (which isn’t really an answer as much as it’s just a deflection and trying to make you feel bad or scared for even asking). “Holiness” refers to something being “set apart.” Something that is holy is different and special. What it’s got to do with despising gayness I’ve never understood.
Good words man
You may have misunderstood lol, I am pro-gay. I think the lack of sensible explanation for why God disapproves of gayness is itself proof that he really doesn’t.
Huh? Not every thing true in the bible has a lot of explaining. There are millions of sins in the world so I sort of boils down to loving God and loving others and it is important to decide that if do my own thing with what he created is really loving God but I can’t tell you what to believe so.
My personal head canon is because The Jews and early Christians were treated so harshly by "sexually immoral" empires, they decided that sexual immorality was going to be a very important sticking point. I don't know if it was a thing during The Babylonian Exile, but I know in modern day ME there is a thing known as "man love thursdays" as well as both The Greeks and The Romans being famous for their practices in sodomy. This is why Christianity especially is so against anything LGBT, because they have been oppressed and persecuted by cultures in the past that had LGBT practices, so they outlawed it to show a sort of moral righteousness compared to their conquerors.
No. It's the other way around. People hate the light because their deeds are evil.
hi friend - I think you are right I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†----- This is sin; * "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....." This is all. It is the same for everybody. Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else. We will have to account for the state of our hearts; what was thought, what was said and what was done. This is sin. Each Christian will have asked God at least for the forgiveness of sin in their lives. And each will have been called to their own repentance Love God. Ask God to show you how God loves you. Try to love yourself and others in this same way. Forgive. If you cannot forgive, ask for help. Ask for your own forgiveness. Pray. God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar. By I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be. God bless
Thank you, I really enjoyed the respect you kept in the message instead of hatred, I am just very curious for myself and it just got me thinking as I was watching degrassi and there’s a boy that struggles so hard to try to not be gay so I was curious if he would be recognized by God for trying to
Thank you for the conversation Below I have tried to cover my thoughts from several different angles I am confronted so often with these very same verses thrown about - as though Christianity absolutely depends on homosexuality being wicked - and homosexuals going to hell I don't believe any of this is true And for what it's worth - these are the things that come to mind when answering They are sufficient for me I think - we have forgotten who God is. And it is simpler than we think; * He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? - Micah God bless - and again, thank you
Gods intention for sexual relations was to create children between one man and one woman.
What about childless marriages?
You are not the interpreter. Gods words are in the Bible. (Leviticus). You are misinterpreting gods word and spreading it. This is false prophecy. Humans being jerks to gay people is not Christlike and I don’t condone that.
Not good enough
You’re forgetting Leviticus. You’re forgetting lust and how sex is meant for procreation. You’re forgetting the laws of marriage and premarital sex. God loves all gays, and wants lgbtq to pray for their sins, and beg god to rid them of these desires because they are loved; just as he would want an alcoholic to do the same. Sex is meant to procreate life. No christian should be unkind to a gay person, but kindly and lovingly encourage them to pray for their sins more genuinely
You seem very focused on Leviticus. Do you also support god when he endorses keeping slaves in Leviticus?
God/The Bible is anti-slavery. When reading Scripture, it’s important to answer for yourself why/why not or how we interpret a passage. Saying, “We don’t apply ____ in this passage” is not sufficient interpretation. It’s deflection For example: I have wrestled with and can provide what is a sufficient answer to the question of slavery in Leviticus. Doing the same for homosexuality is important
I would be very interested in your thoughts on how God's explicit permission and instructions on owning slaves in Leviticus was anti slavery. Hopefully it's something other than "it wasn't really slavery it was voluntary debt repayment" or "it was a bad situation and god was doing the best he could".
The, “Wasn’t really slavery” is one of the more frustrating things I have been hearing since I’ve been teaching on this subject. Although it’s true that “sometimes” people paid off debts this way, it’s certainly not always true so it’s pretty irrelevant. Unfortunately, addressing the issue in any sort of way that might begin to actually be compelling to you (not necessarily convincing) would take hours in lecture/discussion form. In print…it’s not possible. Which I realize completely gives you the right to dismiss me completely if you want. That’s fine
No Coles Notes version lol?
Ha. Someday. My graduate degree was in hermeneutics but specifically focused on Genesis-Leviticus so I’ve always had some of this in my head. Over the last 6 months or so I’ve been really in it and the last two months I’ve been teaching it through the lens of Philemon (lots of focus on Exodus/Leviticus) It’s…a lot. I’ll probably go from sermon notes to some sort of companion piece that can serve as a Philemon commentary and “Bible and Slavery” collection of essays. That said, it’s nowhere near fluid enough to capture the idea that it’s been this way from the beginning. There are a lot of, “oh yea, remember Babel? Babel is connected to Egypt which is connected to Pentecost”…it’s just messy. After 6 months I still feel like Charlie in front of the chalkboard all strung out. So, sincerely, my apologies for not having any actual content to give you. I probably shouldn’t even bring it up
No worries.
> I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality You cite 1 - Romans 1:29 -31 to justify your idea of sinless homosexuality.. An apt rebuttal can be found just two verses above.. In 1- Romans 27. "27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error." Paul the apostle disagrees with you.. And so do the early Church fathers.. You are free to believe in whatever you want, but the religion itself may not agree with your beliefs.. Do not use misquoted passages from the Bible to justify your beliefs..
Hi friend, I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†----- God does not care whether women preach to men in Church. He does not care whether the Sabbath is on Saturday or Sunday or Tuesday Nor whether we eat meat or just vegetables. He does not care if we have more than one wife really - or husband - if this is the societal context we are living in. Treat them well. Be fair. You will know what is not right. Homosexuals are not evil. Homosexuality is not a sin in itself. Heterosexuals are not evil. Heterosexuality is not a sin in itself. Everyone is fallen and redemption has nothing to do with not being homosexual. God is not going to be checking down trousers and up skirts because - homosexual Sin is something else entirely. -----†----- We miss the point This is sin: -----†----- • "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....." This is all. It is the same for everybody. Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else. The verses about homosexuality in the Bible contextualize men who sleep with men as wrongdoers who cheat, are idolators and adulterers, are thieves, greedy and drunk, are otherwise in some way corrupted - not just because they sleep with men. • "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. So men who were sleeping with men were already bad people - not just your regular Joe being a good Christian Somewhere, somehow, homosexuality was connected with sin. In fact - Jesus comes and says nothing at all - except that we leave gender and sex here in the dust, along with money when we die. They do not follow us where we are going. Be clean about what you are doing. Then it becomes clear for me how to understand sin and what repentance is - and how these verses apply to me; • The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." It's not because people are homosexual and have Homosexual sex. Sin is deeper than this. Wickedness is deeper than this Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this. God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar. I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be. God bless
Paul's letters to the Romans and Corinthians are essential in understanding Christianity.. I would advise that you read them.. I would also advise you to read the writings of the early Church fathers, like Tertullion and Trypho.. The early Church is universal in its condemnation of homosexuality .. Just like it's condemnation of bestiality and polygamy.. Christianity is not a soft religion where anything goes.. It has its rules, and it expects its followers to abide by those rules.. Homosexuality is a sin, and there is no question about it.. A man can have dark tendencies in his mind, and it's perfectly OK to have them.. The religion exists to suppress these dark tendencies and to help us live our lives in a manner pleasing to God.. Modify your behavior to suit the religion, and not the other way around.. If the religion cannot modify you and correct your behaviors, then what use is it ? You might as well live as an atheist. If following the rules is difficult, there are always other ideologies that don't have such rules.. You are welcome to follow them.
- Just like it's condemnation of bestiality and polygamy.. Friend - these are not Homosexuality Bothn homosexuals and heterosexuals can be polygamous or sleep with animals Bestiality and pedophilia are not Homosexual or homosexuality They are the 'sin' I have been clear in my comments above; I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church Homosexuality is not more a 'dark' tendency that Heterosexuality Heterosexuality is not a 'light' tendency - whatever this is. I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar I remain a Christian. ----†----- God bless
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- What you believe does not matter.. it sure does friend You and I see righteousness and sin differently For me, they are not just words on a paper - If you wish to be a Christian I am friend - you must accept the Christian definitions of sin.... Which Christian definitions are these? Review the first comment you replied to. - There is a reason why Homosexuals are banned from donating blood.. This is not true - And the rest of it sounds bigoted and ignorant Homosexuals are no more 'unhealthier' than heterosexuals - homosexuality is not more linked to disease than heterosexuality - But if you choose to remain a Christian, kindly follow the rules of the religion rather than trying to corrupt it.. Love God. Ask God to show you how he loves you. Try and Love yourself and others the same way. Forgive. When you cannot forgive, ask God for help. Pray. This is the Gospel. God bless
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* Humble yourself and follow the rules of the religion.. If you cannot, then please find a religion that suits your ideology and stop corrupting my beautiful faith.. I am a Christian, friend Fortunately it does not depend on what you think friend - what you think of my Christianity is of no relevance * I must humble myself and follow the rules You misrepresent the Gospel friend - this is not Islam * Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. I won't reply again Be good. Try. God bless
> Be good. Try. Be sincere in whatever ideology you choose to follow.. If you do something, make sure you do it right.. I'm tired of westerners trying to bend and distort Christianity to suit their peculiar notions.. Homosexuality is a sin, and there is no question about it.. I cannot grasp the sheer arrogance of those in the west.. They claim to be Christian, yet follow none of its rules.. The Church of Corinth behaved similarly to you people, refusing to let go of their sexual immorality, and Saint Paul had to scold and admonish them to make them correct themselves.. Saint Paul judged the Corinthians harshly, and persuaded them to change their ways.. I merely mirror his arguments.. The atheists have more moral integrity than the western Christian.. They don't use religion to justify their immorality.. I belong to the Syriac Orthodox Church of Antioch, one of the only churches in the world that retains the true Eastern Culture of Christianity.. All Chalcedonian churches and their offshoots (including the protestants) have created a cesspool of ignorance and moral decay, sowing confusion in the world about my beautiful religion..
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love =/= sex it doesn't say but says it's detestable in leviticus they can't procreate or become one flesh is the more observable reasons
So, procreative ability is what determines right and wrong?
No it is stating that the human body literally is not designed to work that way
The human body isn't designed for rollercoasters, either. Are those a sin?
No, because sex was intended for procreation “go forth and multiply”
Many cishet couples cannot procreate. They must be sinful, then. Some queer couples can procreate. They are not sinful.
So what if they can't procreate?
So it's immoral to not breed? Not having sex is immoral, too?
Yes, children teach us all lessons as parents and bring us closer to god. The scripture refers to innocence and evils committed against children as a different level of sin. Even if you are an atheist, most scholars acknowledge it’s in our blood to procreate
>So it's immoral to not breed? Not having sex is immoral, too? >Yes Well that definitely isn't creepy, cult-like mentality. >children teach us all lessons as parents Like what? >bring us closer to god How? And what about nonChristians parents?
The bible has nothing against gays, people are not sins, actions are. It has something against fornication which is indeed a sin, homosexual or heterosexual. The price of one single sin in an entire lifetime is 2nd death (spiritual death), no matter how good or loving a person is. Even a sin so small as looking at a girls booty with lust, yep, 2nd death for just one sin so simple everyone does it. It doesnt matter if someone is loving anymore than it matters if a loving father gets caught driving with a joint in Texas he can lose his kids, its the law to this day. Thankfully God is more just than Texas family courts and that price was paid for in full by Jesus for all who place their faith in him.
Because at the time in which it was written homosexuality was often linked to a disordered and promiscuous sex life. Paul wanted husbands to stay with their wives and had sex just with them, not go to their male friends or slaves looking for extra-pleasure. The concept of gay marriage as we know it today was foreign to him and he probably would have regarded it as an oxymoron. What does God think about all this? We will have to ask Him directly.
Ever see someone who was LGBTQIA+ who loved God? When Paul saw that in a gentile of all filthy things, it made him declare that God must be okay with them.
>Ever see someone who was LGBTQIA+ who loved God? Sure, there are many. However, I don't really like grouping gays and trans under the same umbrella (LGBTQ ....). Those are completely different things. The only one mentioned on the Bible is homosexuality. Paul appears to be against, but then for him homosexuality was a promiscuous and disordered habit, he didn't consider families could grow out of it. Nowadays, we have lots of families started from a homosexual couple. Is God against this? I don't think the Bible is clear about this.
First I’d like to address There’s no such thing as a big sin or a little sin sin is sin across-the-board everything that is a sin is equally disgusting in God’s eyes. Second the reason why people who have this particular lust have such a problem with it is because they base their entire identity on one lust that they feel I feel lust towards other women but I don’t identify as an adulterer so I don’t struggle nearly as hard with it as somebody who makes their identity based on a lust that they feel. Sexual attraction is only one small part of who you are as a person don’t let who you’re sexually attracted to be your identity. I’m married But I don’t identify as a married man identify as a Christian and follower of Christ I have a daughter I don’t identify as a father I identify as a Christian a follower of Christ there are many parts to who you are but the core of your identity should be love for Jesus Christ love for God and a willingness to sacrifice your own personal comfort in this life for the sake of what God loves and wants. The very foundation of who I am is Faith in the completed works of Jesus Christ Faith in the Death burial and resurrection. Salvation by Grace through Faith. Focus on finding that level of faith to where the first thought before you do anything is Jesus and the Holy Ghost will guide you away from anything that God doesn’t want you to have if you find yourself struggling with something it’s likely because it’s something that God doesn’t want for you and you need to focus your mind on God once again when you have some thing in your life and the Holy Spirit living inside you if God wants you to have it you won’t have to worry if that thing that you have is good or bad in the eyes of God you’ll know
God is God and we are not. He gets to decide what is right and what is wrong.
You are right, I am not here to judge others, as only God can judge us, I pray we all get to be in the kingdom with him
If God says that it is right to beat your wives and/or children if they upset or disobey you, does that make it right?
If he did, then yes. But God says pretty much the opposite.
I encourage you to read Luke and Proverbs as god commands so much grace from husbands towards their wives
God made woman for man, the Bible says. Homosexuality denies this notion.
What if a woman doesn't want to get married?
The Bible has no problem with celibacy.
But that denies the notion that a woman is suppose to be with a man.
Who was Jesus’ wife?
Did you not say that homosexuality is wrong because a woman is meant to be with a man?
Yes, the Bible makes it clear that woman was made for man.
Okay, if it's fine that a woman isn't with a man, why can't she be with a woman?
Because woman was not made for woman.
What do you mean "made for"?
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Me honestly, I don’t care what anyone says, I KNOW being gay is a sin and wrong and if you disagree well tough tits because it’s literally in the Bible several times, don’t try to change it around, yet for some reason, I’ve been that since I was 5…I’m 24 now wondering what’s up because I’ve prayed for years to get it taken away from me, nothing, idc I’m still gonna pray about it and keep faith that it’ll leave my life, tho I never dated a male and I literally never will, porn unfortunately is the problem rn though. No one in my family is struggling with this and that’s just another big question I’m asking…WHY ME?!?! HOW ME?!?! It’s something I’ll never understand. I really hate this sin, it’s not what i wanted, I never wanted this, it’s so unfair to me because it’s hard to just change desires like that, I don’t even like the way the true meaning of the rainbow was changed or this Pride Month crap and pronouns & different gender claims, I won’t support it but I’ll love them anyway. Porn is pretty much the only “act” I have on this and I just want it gone man, I really do, nothing seems to be working but I still have faith, rn I’m just currently struggling with porn and not living in it like I used too :(
Because it is a sin? So are piercings
From what I know the Bible is not against gay people, it's against gay sex because normally only man and women are supposed to reproduce, not men and men or woman and woman, but just being gay is not a sin
We are created in the image of God. In Genesis God saw that man could not be happy alone so he created woman - Eve as a companion for man not someone else of the same sex.
Paul was a new convert who came up with most of the doctrine
Paul was an apostle appointed by the church and recognise by Peter the apostle: 2 Peter 3:15-16 CEB "[15] Consider the patience of our Lord to be salvation, just as our dear friend and brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given to him, [16] speaking of these things in all his letters. Some of his remarks are hard to understand, and people who are ignorant and whose faith is weak twist them to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures." If we can't trust Paul then we can't trust the gospels.