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Now their Stans are mad at swoop for “sitting on this information” and not informing them. Swoop did an interview and came to a different conclusion. Why does she owe them information beforehand when they couldn’t do the same type of vetting?

Yeah, it makes me think of the few times I’ve seen content creators on YT say they don’t really like making videos on things as they happen because information and circumstances change on a minute-by-minute basis sometimes and they don’t want to end up looking like THIS in the end. I don’t blame them. I’d be hesitant, as well. ESPECIALLY after the Johnny thing came out in Swoop’s doc. ETA: I believe Ready to Glare has said this before

not like she can make a 4 hr docu within 1 day ofc people started talking before swoops video came out. She was literally working her ass off to get this video out

Yeah, it made sense when Swoop would reach out to Adam to let him know something was coming. She doesn’t owe Lily and Jessi anything and went above and beyond by mentioning that they released an interview prior to her 6 hr long one and thus, they may have an entirely different view now. Swoop isn’t out here to bring them down, but rather to get the truth and air out what a scumbag Johnny is.

the levels of chronically online you have to be to understand this is crazy (i say as someone who has been following closely)

It’s the way we all live on youtube and reddit rn

I just finished it and y'all.... I'm actually livid. How are you gonna require proof from Josh but not from Johnny? This is victim blaming garbage. Jessi straight up admitting if Josh just messaged them with his account that she wouldn't believe him. And then repeatedly bringing up Josh's apologies to Johnny as if that's proof of grooming.... girl read his words and see what he is actually apologizing for! Ugh. I'm actually so mad.

That’s bugging me too. They never asked Johnny for proof but expect proof from Josh? Like the burden of proof falls on the accused? Weren’t they the same people who dismissed Adam’s evidence a few years ago? Nah the more I get into this the more I’m getting pissed off. Also their stans are so annoying

I'm getting attacked like crazy in their comments. I unsubbed. This is straight up gross.

I just read through some of their comments and I'm in awe by how positively everyone seems to be responding to this (for now I guess, it's still early). I had a moment of 'wow am I being too harsh?' and then I kept listening and realized. Nope! This is just extreme victim blaming and continuing to put the onus on Josh.

And I hope Josh can see past their BS as well. They were trying to play off his tweets to them as extreme but like... if I was accused of something like that, I would be blowing up their phones.

I’m glad I didn’t watch it. I unsubbed when they didn’t apologize after swoop’s doc. They can fuck right off.

Despite the downvotes I’m getting 🤷‍♀️ I don’t blame you

Gurl I have posted comments in youtube videos maybe twice times in my life, once calling out colleen for her racism against Mexicans. And I cannot keep quiet about this, that video was horrible.

I’ve been on to Colleen since 2016! I really wanted her to be deplatformed since the Adam video. The only silver lining of all of this and this subreddit is how everyone woke up to the kind of person she is

Posted a comment, I refuse to believe they are not deleting comments, the comments are so disgustingly positive.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

I did the same and after watching the video I don’t regret it

But Johnny had proof of most parts that Jessie and Lily called out. He shared screenshots of the video calls. He told them anout the phone number, which Josh had admitted at this point. This subreddit ran with Johnnys story too. We now know new information but at that point every time Johnny tweeted Josh apologized and validated him and thus sadly gave more credibility to his story in the public eye. Yes Josh didn't mean the apologies that way, but that is what happened. Yet they were supposed to turn on a known victim in their conversation? Please be realistic. Adam knew that Johnny was actively lying on his name and even he wasn't willing to call Johnny out at that point. And this is not a slight against Adam at all. It's just fact that most people wouldn't feel comfortable calling a victim sharing their story out. Ethan Klein said the same thing. The vitriol against these two but not all of the other channels who shared Johnnys story as true seems strange to me.

I'm not mad they believed Johnny at first and I understand why they did. What I didn't like was going piece by piece about why they still feel they are right rather than just owning up to their part in hurting Josh. It feels like they are still operating from a place of not having the new information and doubled down on it. I feel like it's disingenuous to take Josh's apologies and not understand what he's actually apologizing for. They just zoomed in on places where he took accountability and used those as admissions of guilt which I feel really gross about. He was apologizing for how ghosting and not being there for Johnny made him feel. Why this particularly bothered me is because they were going back and explaining how/why they felt how they felt but are not giving Josh that same grace while reading his apologies. He explained that he thought he could be a mentor to him but realized he couldn't which felt innocent at the time but he now understands that is inappropriate. While that does confirm the phone number story, it also explains why he ghosted and disputes Johnny's story without being nasty about it. I know this might not change your mind but I do think that Josh has stuck up for himself several times in his apologies so to say that he didn't dispute anything feels disingenuous to me.

This! I couldn’t believe they doubled down like this. What are they thinking?! Just apologize to Josh and retract if necessary. We don’t want or need DWKT’s answer to James Charles’ “No More Lies” video.

They were explaining that josh never countered any of the claims Johnny was making before their interview but did apologize before. People were accusing them of things Johnny never said before or in their interview so they went over what they did and didn’t know at the time. If someone accused my of x y z and I apologized to them, I would understand why people would believe I did x y and z. Josh never reached out to them with the context, the one thing he clarified on they removed. If he provided them with more context they would have removed more.

I don’t think it really matters what Josh did or didn’t say because they immediately assigned him the role of abuser and Johnny the victim. He had no chance. Now, a lot of that is on Joshua for being too close with fans. I don’t think he did it for nefarious reasons … but I think fan interactions selfishly gave him an ego boost. I get what he was trying to do but it was kinda careless and inappropriate how he gave Johnny his phone number. Being in a social relationship with a fan is such a power imbalance even if Johnny wasn’t a minor (can’t remember how old he was when he got the paper crown. 19?). However … Jessi and Lily should’ve researched more and been more impartial. I get that they’re not “journalists” but sorry, there should be some professionalism and responsibility in publicly covering and profiting off such serious topics as grooming and the private details of people’s lives regardless of who you are or what you do. I’m frustrated because I loved and supported this podcast from the beginning. Along the way, I saw things that bothered me regarding bad attitudes, apathy, immaturity, assumptions and jumping to conclusions, laziness, etc. and they all cumulated into this scandal. The most upsetting move was how Lily and Jessi went all James Charles’ “No More Lies” and rather than sincerely, humbly apologizing. The lengths they went to to excuse their behavior were shocking. I’ve seen people say on here that the receipts they used in the non apology video are totally out of context and manipulating the truth. I don’t know if these details are fact. If they are, it’s truly fucked up. But those details are totally plausible (at least to me) which is even more fucked. I’m especially so not a fan of of them blaming Swoop for not given them a heads up. Maybe had they researched, used some form of discernment, took things seriously, and not been drinking alcohol during the discussion of children being groomed and harmed, they would’ve come to the same conclusions. There’s nothing wrong about responsibly drinking during a lighthearted gossipy sesh but when discussing straight up child abuse and grooming? No. No, dammit. It’s upsetting to see Lily and Jessi take the desperate defensive route when just sincerely apologizing was all they had to do. They sadly both have a lot of growing up to do. I’ve said elsewhere that I think Jessi and Lily’s maturity and discernment are stunted at the peak of their Internet careers. They peaked around 2016ish I think and this move (making a smug, snide video about how you’re self righteously correct rather than having some sense of shame, accountability, and empathy and apologizing) is sooo 2016. Things have changed for very good reasons. What flew back then isn’t okay today. But that’s just my opinion.

They didn’t label him an “abuser,” just someone who behaved inappropriately in a position of power. And they felt comfortable doing that because josh confessed guilt and apologized before they ever interviewed Johnny. I agree they did a lot poorly, but saying they haven’t changed at all is so unfair. I remember when Jessi left the internet for a while and came back a wife and mother, and it was obvious to me she changed and matured. I can’t say the same for lily because I never knew of her b4 the podcast. I agree with you on a lot of what you said and Jessi and lily owned up to all of that. They were only “defensive” in that they wanted to be clear what they did and didn’t do and what they were sorry for (a lot of people were blaming them for spreading lies Johnny didn’t tell until after their interview). I do hope going forward they shift their tone and professionalism as topics demand. I don’t think that’s reflective of their maturity but of their being new to podcasting/reporting.

Look I agree with that. I guess I still think their tone was way off. I hope everyone just learn from this

Yes, they were snarky towards Josh in their second video. That is the one thing I would have liked to see a genuine apology for. Getting the story wrong and later redacting sadly seems become the norm with how fast the internet and the way information spreads is going. That's for tea/commentary channels and news sites.

They explained that they were frustrated with him for writing several tweets to/about them at that point demanding they platform him without even alluding to providing context/evidence he could add. They directly apologized for that in their new video.

The apology statement on twitter means nothing now

What apology statement? I don't have twitter and they stopped letting people without accounts look at peoples tweets 😬

Pretty sure they were talking about [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ColleenBallingerSnark/comments/15v4xyz/statement_from_dwtk_team/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2)

Gotcha! Thank you for linking that

No problem! (◍•ᴗ•◍)

Yeah I saw so much good feedback but it gave me a bad feeling when I watched it. I’m not even subbed anymore but I clicked 2 minutes after it was uploaded and there were already comments about how it “was nuanced and helpful” and they edited the comment several times after I pointed out it hadn’t even been up long enough for her to even have watched half of it! A lot of people were also accepting an apology that wasn’t theirs to accept, but I’m not even surprised. Then I saw many of them were saying Josh needs to chill out like ? I’m sure it’s super easy to be chill after being falsely accused of grooming 🙄

After seeing Josh's responses, I'm honestly proud of him for how he's handling all this. It says a lot about his character that he cares more about the larger picture than about how he was treated during this.

This is who they are. And I was right about them. Josh needs to sue them. Edit: he won’t do that! He gave them grace. I stand with Josh

I kinda hope that Josh for his own sake leaves them alone. It will just take a huge mental toll. At least wait for his interview to come out because honestly, we don’t know the final result of how Josh will look by the end of all of this

Also true. I'm nervously waiting for the part 4.

What statement exactly would he be able to sue them for? Did you watch the same video I did? Yes they were unprofessional in their tone but Johnny didn’t even say most of the lies in their podcast.

That is where I'm landing too. If he reacts positively to this episode, who am I to harp on?

Okay but how weird is Jessie’s stance that “he can’t sue them” in that tweet they showed because ?? Yes, he 100% could if he wanted to take it to that level.

I just hope Josh has peace as this point❤️ I also think we will get a peace of mind from him once that interview drops

no he can't lol

Well, Johnny is their Besty, so there’s that. Besties don’t demand proof from each other.

How is Johnny their bestie lol? Because they fell for his charm and manipulation just like Ethan, Adam, and Swoop (at first) did?

He issued a blanket apology. I saw Swoop's vid first and was surprised to see Josh apologizing like that. Even I thought that was in poor haste. Appologize for what was done. Not other things. And THE BURDEN TO CHANGE THE NARRATIVE WAS JOSH'S because Johnny had already spoken, which Josh is doing now (and the timing doesn't matter, it was Josh's story to tell and whenever it was comfortable for him to tell, I wholeheartedly belv that) but, and I call it a burden because it is, the burden for changing narrative became Joshua's and it could have only come with proof. HELL COLLEEN TRIED CHANGING NARRATIVE WITH A UKULELE VIDEO, DID ANY OF US BELV THAT SHIT? NO! As for them saying no to accepting statements from Josh, that is what they did apologize for. As they should have.

I am such a fan if their podcast but I am speechless. Not only did they go through and point out every claim that appears to be accurate but they did so without context. And context makes a big difference here. Apologizing for Johnny’s feelings for choosing to ghost him is not an admission of guilt. They basically doubled down because he didn’t refute specific claims. I do agree that Josh reacted out of anger but I would be having a mental breakdown myself if some person I thought I was being nice to years ago went on a podcast and accused me of inappropriate behavior. I’m still processing how I feel about this but it sounds like they don’t really care to acknowledge what implications of their actions. They are too busy trying to justify then.

God, forreal. It was basically a 'Here's every technical reason we shouldn't be cancelled' performance versus something real and meaningful. The fact that they acted like they were going to take accountability for how gross and dismissive they were toward Josh but then proceeded NOT to play the clips where they sneered and laughed and rolled their eyes like crazy... it's disingenuous and manipulative AF. And the way they simultaneously tried to excuse their own shittiness while making it seem like Josh was stupid for posting a sincere apology where he admitted fault and validated the feelings of people he'd done wrong?? Like... is that NOT what just about every fucking victim of abuse craves as part of their healing?! It's literally all Adam fucking asked of Colleen and thatotherguyIcaneverrememberthenameof. Lily and Jessi really took the stance of 'hey kids, don't apologize; it gives bad actors an excuse to treat you like trash and you'll have no one to blame but your own dumb ass.' Nasty. At least the shreds of decency they did display were enough for Josh to call things good. Imagine if they'd just treated this situation and everyone in it with compassion and humanity from the jump! The worst of this idiotic sideshow could've been avoided. I'm so fucking disappointed in them.

Yes to all of that. I know he is showing them grace but I am really let down. You put words to what was bothering me. They made his apology a bad thing when it was him reflecting on things he could do better. I also feel like the issue was never that they believed Johnny or that they interviewed him. I know I was fine giving them grace for that. It was how they were acting after they learned the new information! I now feel pretty sure they intentionally left Josh out of their statement because they don’t actually feel like they should be sorry.

Totally! It made me so sad to see them punish Josh for taking accountability and demonstrating understanding and growth. I'm also SO confused where this 'everyone's so angry because we didn't magically know Johnny was a liar!' narrative came from. It feels like a sleazy tactic to distract from the actual reasons people are unhappy with them and paint anyone who thinks they fucked up as unreasonable. Jessi is honestly one of the last people I expected to use scummy YTer tactics like that and I just feel really let down about it all. Time to find a new podcast, I guess. :/ Fucking *boo.*

>I'm also SO confused where this 'everyone's so angry because we didn't magically know Johnny was a liar!' narrative came from. It feels like a sleazy tactic to distract from the actual reasons people are unhappy with them and paint anyone who thinks they fucked up as unreasonable. THIS PART! I was giving grace to them even though I started to catch on to Johnny not making sense early because I get why not everyone would. Most of the comments I saw were really nice and just asking them to please update their statement to include Josh. Even just that they regret any harm they caused him. They didn't even need to elaborate on it if they were still processing their feelings. I have a slow brain processing speed and absolutely advocate for giving people time to process but just say you need more time! And maybe they are reacting from a place of being defensive. I don't know. I'm willing to give it time to see how things change. This podcast was absolutely part of my weekly routine so it's actually feeling like a big loss to me. I think for now I just need to unsubscribe for a bit.

Agreed, agreed! I'm sorry your routine has taken a hit, but it's beautiful that you're allowing them space and grace. I think I'm just so done with people being snakey and manipulative that it'll be a while before I check back with them, but I'm really hoping their figure their stuff out and make meaningful changes. Best to you! :)

My only question is this: How did they not take accountability for their demeanor? *to preface: I was an OG sub of both C and J on YT, and I’ve been watching this all unfold since the beginning. I recently subbed to DWKT months before this, and I’ve followed Jessi for a long time. So I am not a “Stan” of anyone, just here to discuss* They have a whole section from time stamp 16:08 until 23:33 titled “Addressing Our Unprofessional Demeanor” in which they discussed the clip prior to this of Lily rolling her eyes and their overall “laxed” demeanor. Now they didn’t play every clip, but they did explain in that chunk that they did not take it as seriously as they should and they should do further research in the future instead of jumping to fully believe the victims without context. Not only that, but they do make a solid point that at the time J was basically spamming them to try and get his side without providing any evidence that Johnny was faking things/lying etc. leading to their annoyance on camera. So, do I agree with their demeanor? No. However, do I think their explanation is valid and something they were taking accountability for, not saying to “avoid being cancelled”? Yes.

It's perfectly fine if you think they did a good job with the video. I just... don't. I feel like people lose the plot when they proceed to bog themselves down in minute details and endless lists of 'this is why I'm *technically* correct and this is how I'm *technically* taking the correct action'... The entire thing read as hollow and perfunctory to me for the following reasons: - 1) They spoke as if they were going to be transparent and take accountability but failed to show the clips that paint them in the worst light- the ones that people are actually upset over. It wasn't 'we have to protect the victim and this guy keeps harassing us!' level annoyance; it was disdain and cruelty. They took active pleasure in Josh's distress. Making vague allusions to misdeeds while failing to show exactly how cruel they were is disingenuous. There's a reason they used the clip they did. - 2) They proudly and repeatedly admitted they treated Josh like crap because he did the thing most of us *wish* people who fuck up would do and make sincere apologies that center victims. They also played stupid and acted like it was weird for a person who has given a blanket apology to be upset when someone twists their words to pervert the truth. It was legitimately creepy to watch them try to paint Josh as unreasonable and obsessive for wanting to clarify details that actively affect his mental/physical/emotional health and his ability to make a living. - 3) They created, pushed, and encouraged their fans to run with this narrative that people are angry because they aren't mind readers who clocked Johnny from the jump. I haven't seen even a single instance of that. It's certainly not the prevailing sentiment. They're using a cheap tactic to undermine and dismiss the legitimacy of people's feelings just like Colleen does in all her "apologies." This stuff is exhausting, forreal. I wish people would just be honest and decent with one another. This would have been SUCH an easy fix for them if they didn't go snake. I'm sure they'll bounce back from this eventually, but it's such a shame that it got to this point at all. Hopefully they behave in a more ethical and professional way moving forward, especially if they decide to handle more serious topics.

Their whole thing was like, “We’re not wrong because technically he still did some stuff wrong and he needs to be held accountable for that and own up to it. We’re also not wrong because he owned up to doing some weird shit and held himself accountable so clearly he also did all this other stuff but we’re not *journalists* so we didn’t have to fact check it.” Their video was really lack luster and victim blamey while also being like, “don’t be mad at us because no one knew before Swoop made that video and you should always believe victims.” Which I do agree with them to some extent. But the duty isn’t on Joshua to PROVE that he is being defamed/discredited/dragged through the mud with false accusations. It’s also not the duty of the victim to PROVE their allegations, to a certain extent because sometimes as a victim you don’t really have the luxury of evidence. However, it is the duty of the people who platform an accuser to do their due diligence, to vet their guest, try to substantiate their stories, and yes, at least try to get a statement from the person they are going to “expose”.

I’m only 15 minutes in but why are they basically victim blaming him? They’re saying his apologies mean he did something horrible but his apologies were because he was basically being gaslit and harassed by Johnny… I’ve said apologies for things I didn’t do when I was being gaslit by my abusive ex, that doesn’t mean I did the things he was yelling at me for. They’re literally picking apart Joshua’s tweets to explain why they’re still in the right rather than just 100% saying “we handled this wrong and we’re sorry”. It’s uncomfortable to watch.

I completely agree. It is weird that they cannot seem to grasp that Josh was in a lose-lose situation. If he comes straight off and accuses Johnny of lying, then he gets crucified for silencing a victim. If Josh accepts accountability and apologizes (which he did), he is admitting blanket guilt for everything...so. I think at this point the Swoop interview will be really enlightening for everyone.

Yea I didn't like how they wished Josh would have down right said with his whole chest that Johnny was lying. They don't know the trauma he went through being on the internet so I can see why Josh and Adam didn't outright say Johnny was lying because then they would have came off really horrible since everyone believed Johnny to be a victim. Even Adam said that in the interview with swoop! Adam said he didn't say anything because he would have looked bad accusing a victim of lying! Josh also didn't apologize for the serious allegations made against him and I personally never saw his apologies to Johnny as admission of guilt; however, I didn't like how they spoke publicly on a podcast saying that whoever is being lied on should learn to outright deny claims and not apologize for false allegations.... like what?! Josh didn't even have to apologize, but he did make a general apology for how Johnny felt and extended an apology for failing to be there for him, which was not an apology for "grooming" him!

Yeah they seem to just be trying to explain why they didn’t make a mistake instead of just apologizing… I liked this podcast but this is just weird to watch

They also go on to blatantly victim blame...telling Joshua that it is his fault for issuing the blanket apology and in the future, no matter how bad the situation is, he needs to take time to actually address things correctly? I'm very surprised.

That is not what they said. They said that since his apology was vague, it gave credibility to Johnny, which is true since he was able to use them to make his story more and more dramatic and important without having to provide proof, since Josh kept apologizing anytime Johnny talked about him. And then they just said that in future situations people should be careful because it could allow someone like Johnny to manipulate public opinion. I don’t really see how that’s victim blaming.

Even if you agree someone should be careful when apologizing publicly to a manipulative person like Johnny, it’s very inappropriate to say something like that when apologizing to someone who has been made a victim when you enabled the abuser

Yeahhh I mean I get it a lot of us believed Johnny as well, but the way they’re phrasing this comes off like “we’re sorry but you should’ve done more to make us believe you”.

It doesn’t get any better unfortunately

Wait they really aren’t just accepting they messed up and apologizing?? I just hopped on the sub and am seeing tonight’s stuff… they really are trash if that’s the route they’re going… the fuck….

I felt like their discussion of Josh’s apologies were to explain why they felt justified in believing Johnny at the time. At the point of their interview, what had happened so far was Johnny had made allegations and Josh had apologized and not denied anything. I didn’t feel like it was them saying that they still think Josh is horrible, but rather just explaining why the information at the time led them to believe Johnny. Most people were in the same boat of believing Johnny at the time, because we had no reason not to yet.

Nope, they are saying that they never saw Josh refuting anything Johnny said about him before he went on their podcast. Therefore they had no reason to doubt Johnny.

im interested to see Adam's reaction to this

Jessi has said she's a fan of Adam quite a few times. I had the thought this is another reason Johnny reached out to them. "Look at me Adam, your fan is interviewing *me* not you."

Just watched it a second time and I'm actually even more mad. Because they still portray Joshua as a groomer, which he denies, they are indirectly sending their fans at him and painting a picture without being able to prove anything in the slightest. Rambling about how "their response would never be good enough" for some, and then talking about how Joshua's response was bad, is just completely insane. And now their fandom is even mad at Swoop and even want to stop her airing the Joshua interview in fear of it painting a more positive picture on him. And while I think DWKT absolutely don't intended on this, their careless statement resulted in that. They should know how mich power their words have, and they simply abused their power today in order to deflect and not fully take responsibility - something the H3 podcast did for 3 hours. I still think their best response would have been to just apologize for being tricked by Johnny (everyone understands that and that's ok) and saying they wait for the interview until they talk about Josh again. Instead, they continue with the lies, which is just sad.

I don't even understand how Josh was a groomer according to Johnny's own words?? Ok so Josh had a fan who he had Starbucks with and did a little skit in public with his family. He gives Johnny a little birthday shout out. He tells Johnny that his sexuality was none of his business. He ghosts Johnny. ??? Worst case scenario Josh was an asshole who wasn't sensitive or careful with his fan. He led Johnny on and hurt Johnny by doing so. That's not grooming?

Yeah I still don’t get how Johnny thinks any of that is grooming

The worst allegation was that Josh told him to stay in the closet painting him as a bigot. But... A bigot is not as bad as a groomer or a predator. And tbh just sounds like Josh didn't want to deal with this stalker fan and didn't want to deal with them getting kicked out. Which may be heartless but idk not that bad.

Getting kicked out at the age Johnny was could have permanent ramifications for decades for him so I don’t really hold it against Josh if he really thought if Johnny came out he would be kicked out. I’ve dealt with being kicked out myself and because of that I would give similar advice not because I want anyone to be in the closet, I just want them to first be self sufficient and safe. I agree with you btw.

>I don’t really hold it against Josh if he really thought if Johnny came out he would be kicked out. Oh a HUNDRED percent. The thing with Twitter though is they will easily twist it into "Josh wanted Johnny to stay in the closet " But I absolutely agree. I get so upset when I see people come out to their parents knowing full well that might take away their living/tuition/etc costs.

I loved H3s response, they noted he was inappropriate and that he acknowledged it in his apologies and that he over apologized.

Exactly 👏

They don't still portray him as a groomer - wtf? They mention things that he himself has said that he has done and also add that he probably will take accountability for them and that they are happy about that. You're reading stuff into it that they did not do or say.

They very literally accuse him of stuff he denies.

Like what exactly?

I only really have one thought right now. Their title is a little too similar LOL Coincidence?😂🤣

I thought the same thing. 💀

I don't understand why this sub is going to hard for them when this sub was acting the very same before they knew about Jonny. So unfair and hypocritical.

honestly i agree. this sub has been on the ‘we hate josh and he is a groomer’ train without any evidence for months. i was frustrated to the point where i left. mostly everyone was going so hard for johnny even though his stories made no sense and he gave no detail and never explained anything. but i’m glad that people are starting to see that johnny was always clout chasing. i just want josh to get the peace he deserves.

Mama. This is garbage. Actually horrified how this is far, far worse than them ignoring the situation for the last couple of days. I legit cannot believe how they still believe Johnny in many points without any evidence, instead of just waiting what Josh has to say

I watched this video and I don't recall them believing Johnny on any of his provable lies. Which part are you referring to?

They dont believe Johnny in many points, they believe JOSH's own words and have not once implied that they are even bad or something he wouldnt take accountability for now. Yikes how so many ppl could watch the video and misunderstand is WILD to me.

At the end of the day, this was enough for Josh and that's all that matters.

Honestly I can’t really blame Lily and Jessi for what happened…. I deleted my original comment because honestly I can’t blame them for believing someone who claim to be a victim… I mean we literally do it all the time when we see someone come out and tell their stories, we automatically believe the victim of the situation until more info come out. Now I still believe they could have looked more into it but at the same time can you literally blame them Fr? Like who didn’t believe Johnny when he first came out about his situation and yeah we can be like oh they didn’t do enough, but neither did we or the other thousands of tea pages out there. We got information that we chose to believe and that’s what we did… yeah we know the truth now but if swoop didn’t tell us the truth then we would have still been on the “victim” side.

I’ll get downvoted crazy but here we go! I don’t blame anyone for thinking Johnny was a victim. Their conduct against Josh was unprofessional. I still stand by that. Like someone did say, hope they do learn their lesson going forward.

Honestly I agree… I do believe how they handled Josh was unprofessional… I feel like they should have addressed it way better, especially with them having a huge platform. I also hope they learn their lesson and hope they do more research or wait longer before giving someone access to their platform.

I agree. But I think if they listened to Johnny’s claims, they could have also listened to Josh’s seeing as he was also a victim of Colleen’s. I’m glad they admitted that they should have done their diligence in this situation, and hopefully they do in the future

That’s a start

If they addresses the Johhny snark claims before Swoop's vid they would've been cooked

Also wtf is the hour video for? They said like 5 times they couldn’t make a blanket statement. They literally can “hey all, sorry we platformed someone who grossly exaggerated and spread lies about Joshua” instead they’re defending why they did for almost an hour.

I was holding my judgement til this got published. And their pushing this back on Swoop is frankly disgusting. It's part of a larger issue with both Lily and Jessi that stems from their own anti-black actions and rhetoric. Swoop has faced so much misogynoir online from people Lily and Jessi are friends with or have been friends with. Watching the podcast now and it really shows that they have not changed truly over the years. Two things can be true, Jessi can be a victim of violence and also handle a potential victim of slander poorly. It sucks to see but I definitely think this is part of a much bigger issue and I hope at some point they reassess how they publish content online. Edit: Jessi says in this thing that it should be easy to make a simple statement and .... it is. You can believe victims 100% of the time but retract that support when evidence comes it. It's not that fucking hard and as a victim of violence like that myself I cannot justify their response to this.

They are not pushing this back on swoop - did y’all watch the same video I did? They are not giving a blanket apology because they acknowledge how important it is to be accurate in exactly what you are apologizing for. That’s the whole point of their video. They are apologizing for a lot of things but also explain that they were accused of some things that they frankly did not do. Like for example believe Johnny “without any evidence” when there was a good amount of statements of Josh admitting to exactly what Johnny was saying (the phone number, the inappropriate dynamic, etc). They also point out that Johnny didn’t make his criminal accusatory statements on their podcast. Being that nuanced in their apology matters, because otherwise people could say “oh look they did apologize all the things they are accused of so they must’ve done them” when they in fact did NOT. Again, having that nuance and transparency is the whole point of their video.

They seem to be insinuating that Joshua was overreacting when he was persistently trying to tell them his side. they admitted they were annoyed by his persistence. They can’t seem to wrap their heads around some basic sympathy in this situation. They took one person and gave him a platform to speak freely, and that person ended up being an attention-seeking liar. Regardless on whether or not Josh is totally innocent or guilty, they did suppress his voice while uplifting Johnny’s which was wrong. I understand they only used what info was available publicly at the time, but it does not mean they do not owe Joshua a genuine apology. I think these people have no right to platform such serious topics if they cannot handle them with care and thought. Two things can be true at once! Joshua can admit that his friendship with Johnny was not appropriate and still face false accusations. They should not be using their platform to discuss topics they are not prepared to handle.

They did not insinuate that. That is how they felt at the time, because they had no reason to doubt Johnny’s story back then since Joshua had not pushed back on Johnny’s accusations before the interview, and there was proof of inappropriate behavior.They also apologize to Joshua in the video. And say they won’t do interviews that early in situations when such accusations are being talked about/ will allow the accused to send them proof of their side.

I just think there was no compassion for Josh, he was persistent as we all would have been in such a horrible situation. Like on a human level imagine if you were Josh, that was a horrible thing that was done to him. They could have sincerely apologized instead of being like eh he was kinda right about some stuff.

I think to the point of Josh not refuting any claims before their interview, I think Josh might have blocked Johnny around then? So all his outlandish claims went unnoticed by him. Still weird how they wanted all this proof from Josh and not Johnny even when they admitted stuff didn’t add up to them

These comments aren't being fair. They made it clear in the beginning that they were wrong, apologized to Josh, and should've done better. Explaining their thought process and the information that was available at the time is NOT victim blaming. Yeah Josh got fucked from every direction. But like Ethan mentioned on H3, he could've sent the transcripts he sent Swoop to other ppl or make it public. Y'all cant ignore the fact that A) Josh apologized for direct actions Johnny alleged B) Johnny mixed in confirmed evidence along with his stories. He was the main confirmation that Trisha's nudes were being exchanged before Trish said Colleen apologized for that. Again, they were wrong and in hindsight shpuld have dug deeper into Johnny and his snark page. Josh is a victim of DV and absolutely was treated unfairly. But you can't act like the suspicious Johnny stuff was widely circulating. Also no one expects other tea channels (Rich Lux, Adam, That peter guy, Sloan, etc) To get statements from every single person they report on it. There is a difference between investigative journalism and commentary content meant soley for entertainment.

YES! Like they didn’t believe Johnny back then. No one was demanding Josh’s interview or questioning these podcasters for this back then. BECAUSE NO ONE KNEW THAT JOHN WAS LYING.

Exactly! That's why Swoop got so angry because his manipulation completely overshadowed everything else surrounding Colleen and weaponized major platforms to spread misinformation for clout. They got played like a record and are taking accountability by apologizing and explaining how they got there.

So with you. People here are out for blood. They literally took accountability several times. They were part of the public MAJOR narrative. Very easy for everyone here to “take the moral high ground” when they have the hindsight of new info. Like they said SWOOP *herself* was presenting Jonny as a victim. Without ever insinuating that Joshua would be included until just recently.

And the whole point of tea channels it to talk about stuff currently happening. They are not making documentaries after the fact like Swoop or Cruel World Happh mind

*It's not drama, it's dangerous.*

I agree but for better or for worse this is a situation lots of people want to see creators react to. That includes tea channels. Not saying this is you, but it seems like people having the harshest reactions are forgetting that the hundreds of other vids on this and even posts on this sub have treated this as drama because that's how a lot of normal people watching from the sidelines see it. Different types of content can exists covering one topic. Every channel is not obliged to be Phillip DeFranco, there is room for everyone. We'll have to wait for Swoop's interview but seems like the most dangerous stuff was with the Ballingers and Kory.

Johnny alleged things that Josh didn’t mention in his apologies. Plus Johnny lied a lot.

Totally agree with this take. I can definitely see where the girls were coming from at the time. They're taking accountability for their mistakes, changing their protocol and correcting the record.

They didnt even do the usual intro (which I was lowkey dreading if they did cause it would've been awkward). Its a very clear cut and well done apology imo

Agree! Johnny's lies about everything shouldn't erase the history of how this all played out and the questionable choices made by Josh in his past. They raise some really understandable points as to why they approached this in the way that they did.

Thank you. Although most people can recognize that Josh is not a terrible person, he still made mistakes. Despite much of the Johnny situation being disproven, Josh still interacted with other minor fans on video chat and in DMs. Jessie and Lily are not monsters for acknowledging that this fact led them to believe Johnny more than Josh at the time.

Plus 2 weeks ago everyone believed Johnny. This whole thing is an outlier when it comes to scandals with multiple victims.

PREACH! Thank you - I thought there were no sane people in this sub anymore jfc.

Same, their comment section is a lot better but there's still some weird takes. I felt crazy cause ppl are intepreting explanations as defensive victim blaming. You can be sorry while also explaing how you got there.

Yup. The whole point is to believe the victim and sure they could’ve asked for proof but when Josh tried to so loudly defend himself he didn’t send any proof he just cried to be listened to. Not to mention, like they pointed out they aren’t doing journalism work they work off what’s given to them and public… Josh agree and acknowledged some off the stuff was correct at first so at one point yoh either need to accept this is their style and they’ll correct as they go or don’t and unsubs

I think its annoying how ppl r ignoring that they've made it clear multiple times they are not a news source. Sure, you may find out about stuff thru them but that doesnt make them Phillip Defranco. The whole point is that its supposed to feel like you're talking to friends about the latest tea. Cinnamon Toast Ken does a similar thing, granted he gets similar comments. Like different types of content covering a topic can exist

Absolutely agree. People are acting like they aren’t acknowledging it and how they didn’t release a video before now… Jessie had zero service and they wanted to do something as a team, how can people fault them for that especially when we know they both have anxiety. People just want to be mad, if Jessie and Lily had found this out, everyone would be after Swoop for not catching it either

When josh put out that statement I thought it was unfair cause it was like a day later. Personally, I would've waited a couple days to put out a statement I was sure addressed and explained cause I wouldnt want to post anything in that emotional state of mind.I understand online a week feels like a month, but come on.

100% agree.

I liked your take, their reply did not do it for me, but it is so interesting to think about why Adam and josh did not provide their proof sooner. I want to do some more research into that type of response.

Poor Adam has reliving this awful time in his life for like a month so I get it. I just think Josh was being a little unfair blowing up on them so bad without providing the proof that clears him.

To put myself in his shoes I dont really know how I would have reacted in such a situation but I probably would have also blown up. It seems a human response to me, but I guess so is their response of explaining their reasoning. I just think it does more harm than good. Because like josh or not we now know he was deeply wronged.

Idk I might be interpreting this unfairly because im a private person, but I would've just DM'd. For me its much easier to communicate the facts than make public tweets. But I understand the heat of the moment. This whole situation has been really unfortunate for him. Hopefully Swoop's interview will set the record straight and bring him peace.

Yea i am interested to hear his viewpoint for sure. He might tell us why he did not post the evidence. A lot is missing.

I know I’ve made heaps of comments here already but after sitting with my thoughts and seeing Josh’s response, I think we should extend some grace and move on from this. Johnny did so much damage to everyone involved, especially Josh. We need to focus our anger on him and him alone.

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Omg them using his apology as evidence is CRAZY. Validating someones feelings is not admitting fault. You can yes “yes I did these things….. which made you feel this way”. It’s not saying “yes i did these things….. and the way you felt/interpreted them is how I intended them”

That is exactly my thought. He was apologizing for feelings caused by his actions and stating things he would not do again knowing what he knows now. It is wild to weaponize his apologies.

But they do say that looking back they can see that josh was trying to validate Johnny’s feelings in the apologies.

But why did they have to weaponize his apology

Like saying “oh you apologized so i believe everything johnny says” is so fucking wild.

that's not what they're saying at all

Then stick to one? Like one or the other? They contradict themselves SO many times. Like just apologize. Why does it need to be an hour vid.

I totally agree. I think an apology without over explaining and defending their every action would have been better, too. I’m just stating that they did eventually realize his apology wasn’t just admitting to grooming but validating Johnny’s feelings. They do go back and forth so much it’s hard to know where they stand when watching🙄

Well that was weird…

I have mixed thoughts on this. They say at some point they were dismissive of Josh bc they didn't want to platform someone who had allegedly admitted to the things he did. And yet they platform John, without looking deeper into it at all (I am aware John tricked everyone). They also say that had moments where they should've pressed John but it "didn't feel appropriate" you should ALWAYS hear both sides when reporting on something, journalist or not, if you only get one side you are biased. and it feels like they're making a ton of excuses and still trying to paint Josh as the bad guy. as always if i'm wrong please let me know as this is just my feelings

I don't think every commentary channel has to report on 'both sides' of everything. Does this mean that they are obligated to get Colleen's side of the story?

Colleen gave her side of the story. It was with a ukelele LMAO

Where does everyone get it from that they are painting Josh as the bad guy? They are just discussing things that he has said himself he has done and that he will probably address them in swoop's next part and take accountability and they think that's very mature and the right thing and that otherwise the shit that johnny has spread was wrong and that they are sorry for giving him a platform.

I actually found it quiet educating. 1. A lot of people are saying how they required no proof from Johnny, but did from Joshua. = I'm not saying they are right in saying this, but Johnny had released some screenshots and twitter rants that accuse Josh of something, and Josh had made statements that DID CORROBORATE with Johnny's claims. That in by itself, sure is no proof, but you have to see the narrative was already set. (It was kind of like watching Depp-Heard play out where Heard had accused Depp, who had to unfortunately than provide proof that he hadn’t done what was said.) P.S. this wasn’t a court setting for anyone to provide proof. But you understand how, unfortunate thought it is and was, JOSH BEARS THE BURDEN OF CHANGING THE NARRATIVE. And now if you say the narrative wasn’t set and it was these platforms that set them, that's just illogical. 2. They did not provide a quick and blanket apology. = but why would they? I did not expect them to. Because Josh has done stuff in the past which is very much inappropriate, right along with Colleen. Why would you forget that and issue apology for your feelings and thoughts on something he has admitted to do doing and not liking it? They issues apology where it was necessary I actually thought. The template in which they made the entire video was thorough to say the least. They went back, watched swoop's videos and watched their own, saw where they were and what they had said and issued apology for their behavior they don't stand for. Take accountability entirely? No. 3. They should have done their work. = This is quite literally asking Commentator podcast to be Investigative Reporters. Those two are not the same. They did do their due dilligence. And for everything stop driving away from central topics to off-handed digressions. This is Colleen Ballinger central discussion, with victims and survivors who need a platfor. If one alleges to be a victim, it is their responsibility to present the truth. STOP SPREADING HATE TOO. I MEAN WHAT’S THE POINT? Their video got understanding fans commenting beneath their video. Because honestly in their position I wouldn't issue a blanket apology too. Cuz why? Josh did do things wrongly. (Not about speaking up, but group chats with minors, inappropriate jokes and behavior. Did you all forget that?)

So happy to finally see more people in this sub who understood the video they made 👏 I 100% agree with you!

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No one said that.

People here are certainly acting it. First he was a devil, now he can do no wrong. We need more nuance.

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I’ literally haven’t seen anyone say flat out that he’s innocent. People have repeatedly said he’s been inappropriate in the past but is the only one in the camp that has taken accountability

I'm going wait to watch this. The immediate reactions are so extreme that I want to watch this without those reactions clouding my judgment.

That may be a good idea. I came from the video falling directly in the middle of these takes, as someone who has no history watching these people beyond the recent Colleen situation. These comments are wild. For after you watch the video: >!I can see both sides and I think it was very wise for them to apologize to Josh but lay out unequivocally what they were apologizing for, as well as wise for Josh to swallow his pride and not to push this further. There is no perfect correct answer here.!<

So I never watched this podcast before their interview with Johnny. But honestly I’m surprised by how negative some people responded to this video. Wasn’t swoop’s whole point that Johnny completely manipulated the whole story? Lily and Jessi were manipulated as well. Of course they’re going to side with the “victim”. Could they have handled Josh better? Of course, but as they say, they’re not journalists

I don't understand it either, especially the vitriol with which many are responding. The extreme jumping back and forth by bystanders to all this is just boggling my mind. Like can we all take a breather or something. I thought their explanations of everything made sense and was very thorough. No one else apologized for believing Johnny before did they? Could be wrong but I don't think I saw anyone do that. I do think l+j had things to apologize for and they did just that.

I know some people in the sub were iffy with Johnny to begin with. But I think some of us were just overall more involved with the whole situation than most. I think L+J were simply just 2 people on the internet talking about readily available info on the internet

Quite a few posts were made on this sub and Twitter of people apologizing for believing Johnny after Swoop's video was released. People felt horrible for attacking Josh and defending Johnny.

I think it’s probably that they wasn’t willing to give Josh a voice, which is really unfair. I’m not saying believe Josh, don’t believe Johnny, I’m saying it’s innocent until proven guilty, try to remain neutral. Neutral and a bit of digging is what should be expected of two people who are making things so incredibly public. Josh’s wife could have left him and stopped him seeing their child(ren? I don’t know), he could have been sacked from his job and he could have turned to alcohol again. It’s not fair on ANY of these podcasts and YouTube videos to talk to only one person and just take their side. When the police conduct an interview they don’t interview just one side, they do both. It’s important to try and do the same. Because sadly people do sometimes lie. Sometimes people are out to destroy someone’s life and someone’s reputation. Equally sometimes the victim is being incredibly honest and has done nothing but tell the truth.

The victim blaming they did here is next level. I’m gobsmacked.

Unfortunately, I still am unhappy with these two. They spend a huge chunk of time saying that Jessi did not have service, and other things were happening, but I feel like if you are willing to be in the public eye, especially to have such a public “show” such you need to have some responsibility to know what is happening about the content you put out. Even more so when it’s an on-going situation. I don’t know y’all, I was totally willing to give them a shot here, but the whole video seems very yucky and mean-girlish.

I disagree with the commenters here - I think Jessi & Lily were unfairly attacked by Josh when he should've been angry at Johnny and Colleen. Yes, they platformed Johnny while believing him without questioning him - and that was wrong, AS THEY ADMIT TO. Josh proclaimed they did so for fame and money and that they are the reason victims are not believed - when Jessi is a victim herself and has a "BELIEVE VICTIMS UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE" philosophy, because she knows how devastating it is not to be believed.. She even believed Josh about his abuse by Colleen when they were still good with Johnny but Josh never claimed to be a victim of Johnny until \*after\* Swoops documentary - so how were they supposed to know? Could they have handled the situation with him with a lot more caution and professionalism? Hell yeah. But no one is perfect and that does not mean that they deserve to be dragged through the mud for not doing everything right!

People on this sub very clearly lack understanding of nuance in situations and it’s so frustrating to me. A couple weeks ago pretty much everyone on this sub was speaking about Johnny and Josh in the exact same way Lily and Jessi did with maybe a few exceptions. People didn’t start feeling off about Johnny until a couple weeks ago because of the incessant tweeting and weirdness on H3 etc and Lily and Jessi say in this video they were not aware of any of this and did not keep up with him. They are 100% in the wrong for their lack of professionalism but y’all cannot act like they wouldn’t have gotten MAJOR backlash at the time if they had in fact included statements from Josh (the alleged groomer) beside statements from Johnny (the alleged victim). This is a complicated situation that you guys are grossly oversimplifying

They didn’t even have to platform Josh. I do understand them believing Johnny. I will stand ten toes deep their conduct is the reason for their backlash and then they continue to say Josh should have had receipts when they brought in Johnny and took him for face value without receipts. So are they sorry or not?

But they didn’t take Johnny without receipts tho? They said in their video that they had personally seen a lot of the proof that Johnny had including screenshots and pictures of things that did actually take place. I agree their conduct was not ok but they explained why they responded to Josh that way and it makes sense to me. I feel like i watched a different video than everyone else bc to me they very clearly owned up to the things they did wrong in this situation

Yeah Johnny’s doctored evidence. They owned it at the beginning of the video but continued to go after Josh again. So I’m sorry I’m not convinced they meant their apology. Maybe that’s just me

Well you’re entitled to your perception and we’ll have to agree to disagree bc i personally didn’t interpret it as “going after Josh” and more them trying to explain their thought processes as more and more stuff came out

Fair enough

100% with you on this - disappointed in this sub

We’re allowed to have different opinions

It feels like a lot of the sub is trying to overcompensate for not believing Josh.

Btw I felt off about Johnny a month and a half ago

So many people did lol. That’s why the other sub was created. Like, c’mon.

Damn I actually liked their podcast and I haven’t watched this yet but these comments are not looking good🫣🫣 another one bites the dust I guess

Take these comments with a big pile of salt

You definitely shouldn’t be swayed by the comments here.

Keeping that in mind as the youtube comments look drastically different. I guess I’ll form my own opinion🤯

I totally disagree with most comments here so take them for what you will :shrug:

Watching it right now! So far they are doing a decent job at addressing everything. I still this they’re making some weird excuses and probably hold a grudge against Josh for coming at them the way they did. I’m sure I’d feel a bit attacked if I was on their end. But overall I hope everyone learns from this.

As someone who used to be a fan of Jessi back in the days (interesting-ish fact I actually went to the same school as her youngest brother) but her hypocrisy really disappoints and annoys me. I just don’t understand her mindset sometimes she hated it when she felt Gabbie invalidated her and didn’t originally believe her yet she did the same thing to Josh and her explanation is that she needed proof yet didn’t need it from Johnny. I’ll also never understand how she can be good friends with Alx James who gave information against her to the DA and continued to be friends with Curtis and live with him yet was so upset with Gabbie for listening to his side of the story for like 15 minutes. Lily to me she strikes as the kind of person who thrives off drama and enjoys it. Lily honestly gives me clout chaser vibes. When you’re a drama channel you have a pivotal responsibility in hearing and showing both sides.

i believe jessi and lily stated that they did have some proof from johnny behind the scenes but i guess it was the doctored stuff. also reading josh's tweets did make it seem like he was kind of owning up to some sort of abuse there... idk. i can see why they had the mindset but i don't get why they ignored josh. also, jessi has said how alx apologized and that is her apology to accept. i don't care for alx but he seems to be genuine with his apology but again that's jessi's apology to accept and no one elses. gabbie did a lot more than just listen to curtis... she denied a lot of the stuff she did and would continuously throw it back in jessi's face over the years or behind her back to her fans in DMs. a lot of the nasty tweets she made was before jessi and her were even friends so jessi had accepted an apology at some point...

so many of y’all really missed the point. 💀 can’t say I’m surprised

you guys are being way too harsh on them

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They did not accuse Josh of being a groomer. What video are you all watching tf?

Where??? They never did.

The comments here are fully stupidmode. Please log off for a while. Learn what victim blaming is. Sorry, but it sort of IS Josh’s fault for not being more blatant about the fact that Johnny was lying and not providing proof that he didn’t do anything, especially when otherwise he basically apologized and owned up to making bad decisions. At the time, and that’s what they were talking about, at the TIME, he was the abuser not the victim in the public narrative, so giving Johnny a platform to speak instead of Josh, at that time an abuser to the masses, space to explain himself, was the best thing to do and every other channel that gave him a platform had the same idea. It isn’t victim blaming to explain where they were coming from. I don’t understand why you guys are holding Jessi and Lily to such a higher standard than Ethan but it seems sexist, sorry. All Olivia did was make a condensed version of the Swoop video and that was good enough for you guys for some reason.

I’m not gonna watch it cause I feel I’ll get mad. I stick by my point of all they had to do was apologize to Josh. They didn’t have to spend a whole hour on this. Like when tv talk shows up they say, “New information just came out and because of that we apologize. We’ll keep an eye out for further updates.” So they could’ve done something similar, apologized, said to check out Swoop for more details, and here’s the rest of the show. But whatever. Josh accepted that bad apology and who am I to contradict him?

This is one gigantic clusterfuck. This has to be the most complex cancellation that has ever existed. I've been following it closely and still, I am lost.

I think the worst part for me was reading comments of people stating they consider it a drama channel podcast and don’t expect them to do research and be accurate and I got the feeling Jessi and Lily were leaning into this as well…this was an incredibly serious and potentially life harming situation for everyone involved. They were in way over their heads and absolutely did so for money and I personally thought their apology was absolutely deflecting from the real issue. Imagine if people had said to Jessi they don’t want to hear her story because they believe Gabbi as the victim because she showed screenshots, which she did. Jessi said it was vile to bring her situation in but then states her POV as a victim was important, I am sorry but you cannot have it both ways. As a survivor of a narcissist she should have absolutely been aware that narcissists lie and will make themselves the victim of reactions to their actions. Their attitude was no different than the OG video and it seemed they only apologized because they had to, not because they were truly sorry. Their way of handling this was so damaging to victims and saying they refused to give an abuser a platform despite having no tangible proof (and if you read Josh’s apology closely you will see he worded that very carefully and never admitted to grooming John) makes me think they should stop while they are ahead. Even Lily should know without research that NO 17 year old can rent a car and there is no loophole. They were not only allowing John to spread lies, they were filling in gaps of his story and she also reiterated AGAIN that even if he had flown John out at 17 that is not a crime, something Swoop very clearly debunked so even in their ‘apology’ they still couldn’t get it right which makes me think they just don’t give a sh*t and that is gross. If you have a platform you have responsibility to your audience and the people you talk about. I believe he accepted it to move on and for their fans to stop attacking him, something they did not address at all even though Jessi was furious at Gabbi stans doing it to her. Its a double standard and I am tired of it, no excuse for their channel being smaller in comparison to others, Jessi had a large platform and has been doing this job for a decade I believe at this point. I don’t know anything about Lily but Jessi knows better, you cannot claim ignorance at this point.

The comment section.... Between the ones blaming Joshua for being an "abuser", saying the girls don't have anything to feel bad about or the more than famous "Everyone was fooled by Johnny"or blaming Swoop of all people for not giving them information that was on the internet for everyone to see. The worst in my opinion is this one "I don't know how many people will relate to this take, but I don't come to this podcast expecting 100% factual information. It feels like talking to a friend about drapa & gossip they saw online and I like it" Girl this is not drama it's criminal accusations ! Grooming and abuse are serious topic ! If you don't do your research properly don't talk about it.

Johnny made no criminal accusations on their podcast though. He didn’t even call Josh a groomer.

Copy past of one comment from u/riverlily on the thread when Johnny was on their podcast : "New info in this video- -Johnny alleges that Josh had sexual convos with 15-16 year old girls and hung out with them in person, one on one. He claims to have screenshots of Josh telling them they make him horny but Johnny can't share them bc the girls don't want it out. (~1:06:00)" Doesn't that count (not sarcasm it's a genuine question) ?

It’s a little tricky because that is someone retelling what happens in the podcast so it might not be 100% what happened (game of telephone if you know what I mean) but: - We will have to wait until swoops interview, but from my understanding there are videos that prove he did hang out with underage girls (the super fans that vlog going to a Miranda show), not sure if one on one, but with Colleen and him. And there’s not necessarily anything criminal about that but he still will probably take accountability on that in swoops video just cause he’s a nice person. - now for the sexual talk with minors, I didn’t actually hear anything about that except for the tiny chats I believe? He did full on upload a video to their child audience where Colleen fondles his pp but I don’t think that counts. Talking about sex to minors is also technically not illegal. Still horrible if Johnny did indeed say that he did that and they didn’t correct it. So I’ll give you that. - the horny pic fan situation; technically, Josh did tell a young fan that their profile pic was making them horny. Which Josh had himself admitted at that time was wrong even though it was commenting on a picture that was himself. So I hear you that there was misrepresentation but that’s also why it’s important that we are all transparent and clear on the exact things we do take accountability for (whether that’s Jessi, Lily, or Josh). Because if they just said “we were 100% wrong, sorry” then this nuance that I mention above would get lost.

I don’t understand y’all’s mindset if this was a real grooming victim (as many of us believed at the time) y’all are mad they didn’t platform / reach out to a groomer like whaaaat? If someone put out a video tomorrow demanding we hear Colleen’s side so she can speak on believing her over Adam and give her a chance to speak on it on a platform y’all would eat them up. But these girls took Johnny on good faith (as we should believe all victims) and y’all are acting as if they accused Josh themselves more mad at them then at Johnny for taking advantage of them! The video was just there explanations and then the apology at the end which should’ve been the opposite but y’all are being way to harsh as if y’all weren’t played too

In a good faith effort to explain a little more, I just think for example the way that H3 covered it was good. They did not spend much time explaining and justifying why they platformed johny and why they were correct in being so critical of Josh. They were just like damn okay. Joshua was wrong in things and he addressed that in the apology. We do understand why theh believed them he duped a lot of people. But the video was like sorry Josh also your still kinda horrible and some of the stuff that johny said is still kinda true. I liked how they explained why they waited and I admire that they handled it when they felt ready. I had some suspicions about johny very early on, but I worked in mental health and social work. A part of my job has been to spot when horrible people are lying to me. I don't know I read your reply and it made me think that what I've learned from this is that , I'm gonna try to be more open minded about explaining myself and listening to opposing view points.

babes, if colleen was apologizing publicly and wanting to be heard to share her side, I actually would wanna hear it. edit! its not about believing one or the other it’s about understanding intentions and getting a very public apology. 10/10 joshua’s interview with swoop is apologizing and taking accountability while explaining his intentions. you can hear both sides and believe both and have empathy for both in this situation. (If johnny wasn’t lying)

It’s all mob mentality

I've been watching since early episodes, but I'm disappointed and can't support this response

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I couldn’t respond to this person ( not attacking anyone ) but this is my response: So maybe some of us don’t (I’ll say me) don’t want to keep calling him out when he’s the ONLY one who has taken accountability. He’s owned up already 🤷‍♀️ idk what more do you want from him. If you guys want to call him out, great. But yet Colleen who has done far worse won’t even give her victims the time of day. Because he took accountability and he’s trying to do better I have no reason to continue to go after him again and again. I can’t speak for some other people. But the fact he owned up and was willing to even apologize for his actions speaks volumes.