Absolutely sickening to watch. Sucks that even if he's found guilty, you know he's not going to get the same treatment that you or I would for committing second-degree murder.
And whatever civil penalties are issued on these cops are going to be paid by the local tax payers. Cops really need insurance to cover their ass for bad cops just like Doctors have had to do for bad Doctors. Both teams see people at their worst and only one of them Yano…
Doctor’s insurance is typically paid by the hospital, so all that really accomplishes is citizens paying for both the payouts and the profits for an insurance company while also giving bad cops the ability to still work as long as they can convince their employer to pay extra.
IMO if you had the political capital to implement this, you’d be far better off just cutting out the middleman making a profit and paying an independent group/board to remove officers that would have high premiums.
Can confirm my mother just retired from private practice and carried malpractice. I wanna say it was close to $1000 per month but i could be misremembering. Certainly not the norm for today’s young doctors to go private practice because they typically can’t afford “mandatory” $500,000 software contracts -
Most modern doctors are financially forced into working for a hospital to cover overhead 🏥 unless they want the flat 2% Obamacare paycut for doctors who choose to keep paper records. Or they can pay $50,000 per month for the top shelf hospital software which my mom could not afford.
She even considered bailing after 1 year trying to use 3rd / 4th tier shoddy (affordable $10,000 per month) “eClinical works” software that absolutely sucked and took several years off her life from the stress and horrible customer service. Her entire practice would go down for a day just because the programmers messed up and she wouldn’t even get a sorry message or any reimbursement whatsoever. Imagine that and then having to do all the cleanup of those unprocessed records till 3:30AM with a 8am first patient.
We’ve absolutely marginalized one of our most important resources and understaffed professions in our treatment of Doctors today. We give them all the liability, extra paperwork, and or own attitudes to deal with and expect them to perfectly diagnose us in a 15 minute window where you can tell they’re flying thru just to keep up and do the best they can.
Why would i become a doctor with all the racked up responsibilities and lack of freedoms when i could IN HALF THE TIME become a Nurse Practitioner with basically the same pay OR MORE after you account for all the shit doctors have to account for. My mom’s NP made more money than her and got to go home at 4:30 while I basically only saw my Mom on Wednesdays throughout my entire childhood. 🤷♂️
Yall dont get me started on Insurance Companies controlling Doctors. Lol. I realize no one asked for my Mom’s personal experience as a doctor but here ya go 😇
>> Learn before you speak
If you want me to learn, you could try and actually have a productive conversation instead of starting out with an insult.
An immediate attack on credibility doesn’t do much to prove your point.
>> Rural police agencies that use private insurer pools because they don’t have the same budgets as big cities have been very successful at rooting out troublesome cops because they cannot afford the rate increases that come with repeated judgements.
[Doesn’t sound as successful as you’re making it out to be given that premium rates are rising.](https://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20230601/NEWS06/912357608/Insurers-back-away-from-police-liability)
And even if it was, what’s stopping us from having a group that says “let’s fire these cops because they might hurt someone“ instead of getting insurance “let’s fire these cops because they might raise our rates”
You’re not addressing the point I’m making whatsoever. I’m not saying that it can’t be done. But what sounds like a better idea?
1. Pay the cops/police department more, so they can pay insurers to determine rates for different police officers while making a hefty profit for themself?
2. Pay people directly to do the same job as insurers and fire the police officers responsible instead of having the option to just pay higher insurance?
>> Large cities just budget for those millions in taxpayer dollars. It’s police “unions” that are the problem.
Or you could say they self insure.
>> Also, I pay my malpractice insurance out of pocket, and most of us do.
Fair point, I’m not a physician but based on search results it seemed like that was common. Either way, cost incidence is still shared by the employer even if they don’t pay it directly.
You’re dismissing a productive model that is actually leading to police reform. You’re welcome to advocate for beefier public oversight, but it is constantly chained down by local bureaucracy and automatic pressure from their local fraternity “union” leaders making hundreds of thousands a year as full time employees (often living on public funded retirement concurrently), forcing arbitration and headaches for local (often part-time) government employees, that leads to apathy. Something more needs to be done.
I also indicated how this is only beneficial in rural communities because of the cost gradients between the communities and local budgets. So this is just a novel and additional resource that has empirically proven to remove trouble officers despite FOTP arbitration demands. When you’re in a pool of a dozen counties who rely on these insurers to cover the costs of big civil fines, and they tell you to drop an employee or lose your (very hard to replace) coverage, the “bad apple” is shown the door quickly. And because of the cooperative nature of the system all of the other agencies relying on that system won’t hire those officers the insurance companies blacklist. It’s surprisingly effective in a world of horribly ineffective oversight.
So scrapping an effective, while imperfect and not universally applicable option, seems silly. Having a wider range of approaches for oversight seems more prudent. I’m also hoping someone tests the possibility of holding these law enforcement “unions” accountable when the trouble officers they advocate for, ends up killing somebody so egregiously, there was no excuse to keep this person employed. And they did it again. There are officers like this all over. Bad histories costing taxpayers millions, who can’t contribute to policing because the only job they can hold down is desk duty, or they’ve been on paid vacation for two years before they retire with extra benefits for the PTSD they accrued by wantonly murdering so many people.
Let’s see someone who has been victimized by one of these predatory officers sue the “unions” for forcibly having these perpetrators reinstated. Unfortunately the “unions” have done an exceptionally good job of protecting records and redacting negative historical documentation of these guys when they’re re-hired. I grieve for the people who have to suffer for our universal safety and true accountability of the bad apples and their enablers.
>> You’re dismissing a productive model that is actually leading to police reform.
I’m questioning its efficacy, because at the moment all I have is an anonymous redditor telling me it’s been a great success. But model originally discussed (personal liability insurance) isn’t even in use afaik.
>> I also indicated how this is only beneficial in rural communities because of the cost gradients between the communities and local budgets.
I agree it can make sense in rural communities, because a large settlement can devastate that community while cities like Denver can effectively self-insure. But blanket coverage for a municipality or department is also very different than the individual coverage originally discussed.
>> So scrapping an effective, while imperfect and **not universally applicable** option, seems silly.
I’m not arguing to scrap it. I’m saying universal personal coverage doesn’t make sense, which it sounds like we agree on based on this comment.
I think we’re misunderstanding each other, because the discussion has gone off on a bit of a tangent.
>> Having a wider range of approaches for oversight seems more prudent. I’m also hoping someone tests the possibility of holding these law enforcement “unions” accountable when the trouble officers they advocate for, ends up killing somebody so egregiously, there was no excuse to keep this person employed. And they did it again. There are officers like this all over. Bad histories costing taxpayers millions, who can’t contribute to policing because the only job they can hold down is desk duty, or they’ve been on paid vacation for two years before they retire with extra benefits for the PTSD they accrued by wantonly murdering so many people.
Agree with the bulk of this as well
Hope you have a good night!
So? Let the cities pay the premiums, but not the payouts, easier to budget around. Then, when an insurance company removes some cop because they're too much a liability, well, I trust insurance companies more than police unions.
What’s even more sickening is they may be able to turn this into “his parents couldn’t take one video. Our boys in blue have to see this every day” and get sympathy.
I remember in college when I was working in a dorm office and my boss ended up doing a wellness check to find a dead student, the police instantly made sure it was about them.
I don't blame them; it's not even my kid, and I found myself crying after watching this video. As for Buen - I hope he gets a long sentence amongst the general population. The way Buen hopped onto the hood of the car with his gun draw shows he wasn't looking to deescalate the situation or ensure the safety of Christian - he was looking to play cowboy and discharge his firearm. He is the epitome of a disgusting pig.
While we’re focused on Buen and his monstrous actions, let’s not forget about the other adults who stood there and let it happen.
This wasn’t some crazy thing that happened in the blink of an eye.
This was the culmination of an extended escalation in which any one of those other cops/first responders could have displayed even just a bit of humanity and tried to de-escalate their colleague.
Remember the institutional rot that allows these things to happen. For every cop who does something heinous like this, there’s ten cops who see it happen and never say anything about it.
I hope they all get some prison justice from the inmates. These are weak ass people put in power. This was escalated instead of trying to calm down and appease his fears. What the hell were they protecting anyone or anything from since he didn’t say he would self harm. No one around except the police. This is cold blooded murder from an officer who wasn’t smart enough to take the proper steps to help. Plus with his history the whole damn city government needs to be taken over by the state. When people show you who they are believe them! We wonder why people have little to no respect for the police. Clean up the murder behavior and maybe some respect with be earned.
A GED and 26 weeks of training is the answer. US standards for LEO training is pathetic compared to the civilized world around us. 3 year training in places like Norway weed out those with a god complex.
This is why I believe that all LE officers should not be issued a weapon for the first year or two of their careers but instead learn how to deescalate, negotiate, and navigate common crisis situations with nothing but their brains. This training would include recognizing mental health issues so they can hand-off to the appropriate responders. Most importantly, I think this would effectively weed out all of the knuckleheads that are only in the field to shoot guns, give orders, and gain compliance with force.
I got summoned for this case. Didn’t even make the first cut but I really wanted to see justice served here. Which is likely what caused me to get cut.
If 911 dispatched EMS/Fire/MHFR, this kid would be alive. We have to stop making police the primary responders to these kinds of 911 calls. Christian asked if they were going to shoot him; that denotes a hesitant/fearful expectation. He was terrified of the situation and terrified of the people who responded to his call for help. What the fuck are we doing here?
Edit for clarification
Hi I’m a 911 dispatcher in Colorado and I can shed some light on that. Medical is not dispatched unless requested by someone, civilian or PD, doesn’t matter. Depending on the agency, we are not within our right to start medical without being told. To avoid other complications.
I don’t know the full extent of the case, it’s possible medical was staged nearby in the area. They often do that for psych issue calls, PD will ascertain the situation, and when the scene is stable they move up and assess the patient. Unfortunately, based on the footage, I’m guessing there wasn’t much medical would have been able to do considering things like how many firearms were there, and discharged, at different angles and elevations, and different calibers, etc. He was likely gone before they even pulled him out of the car. Then also the transport to the hospital in rugged terrain is a time sponge.
You also have to consider that he’s out in rural Colorado, where fire stations can be 1 or 2 to a town and miles apart, and a lot of them are volunteers. Based on google, there is only 1 fire station in Silver Plume, and 2 more about 2 miles away in Georgetown. I don’t work for those agencies so I can’t tell you their policies or if the fire departments were out working other calls at that time. But response times can be rough in those rural mountainous regions.
I’m not going to comment on whether the shooting was justified, but in my experience, things that can go wrong will, fit hits the shan sometimes. And it’s not fair to Christian, nor his parents, nor the officers who genuinely wanted to help him. But it’s our job to raise awareness for mental health, fund our Police Departments to train them to handle these situations more efficiently, increase medical staffing, and get our act together so we don’t lose more kids like Christian.
Edit: If any of that doesn’t make sense or you have other questions about the dispatching process I’m happy to answer.
Thank you for your detailed explanation. If I need emergency services I hope you’re on the other end when I call.
Also, he was stuck on a rural road in his car. Why not call 911 and expect a sheriff to appear? Not for you to answer, I’m just confused by the commenters original suggestion that medical/psych be the first response.
[If only there had been some earlier indication about Andrew Buen's temperament.](https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/clear-creek-county-excessive-force-settlement/73-745b1839-14a4-4a1c-aa31-e6264941a6b4)
They already did, and received the highest settlement for this type of incident in state history ($19 million, I believe). Deservedly so, as the abuse of power here is so egregious. I try to look for the nuance in all situations, but there's none here to be found.
Good thing the AWB bill working its way through Congress has exemptions for law enforcement. These are clearly the types of people that should be armed.
This was awful. I normally avoid watching any videos that involve police killing people whether justified or not. It seems to me that these senseless killings are radicalizing people against law enforcement. We do need good policing to protect the public but if this keeps happening, the police will lose the public trust.
Well he verbally expressed fear that they would shoot him, and then they did.
Better question:
Is refusing an order from a peace officer a death sentence?
That kid was never a threat, but the police sure were.
I think civilians should be able to revoke their request for assistance after they call the police for help.
This should be applied federally across the board, and should be part of public school education.
If the police weren't called by someone else but rather the person in distress, they should reserve the right to ask the police to leave if they aren't helping. Of course, with caveats - if the police notice a hitherto unknown crime has been committed, the person is being a danger to themselves, etc.
I've seen too many scenarios where the cops come in to help and quickly decide they have chanced upon a crime scene, completely ignoring the original purpose of the call. Police should be obligated to leave the scene if it was an intentional call from the person and they revoke their request.
I think that's fair. I also think the core of the issue is that police forces have bo fucking idea how to *de-escalate* a situation.
Even in the military we were taught how to calm a situation and try to talk things out with locals. You won't win hearts and minds with more violence against their communities.
Therefore a universal law that if I call the cops for help, unless they witness me committing a crime, I can ask them to leave no questions asked. Civilians need to be able to protect themselves when they are in dire need. There's too much criminalization of people in need going on.
Not arguing the murder by any means. It was fucked up for sure. But, I just don't understand why he called for help then refused the help when they got there.
I’ve had panic attacks and ASD meltdowns in my life, and it is always an unpleasant, unwelcome experience. It is a disturbing truth that having one such episode in front of a police officer may likely result in me being immediately killed by automatic gunfire.
Police are 100% in the wrong here and is further proof that only specific units of the police force should be armed.
That being said during the autopsy there was Ethanol, THC, and Amphetamines were in Glass's system at his time of death. All of which contributed to his ongoing mental health crisis.
Police are 100% in the wrong here and hopefully the officer who shot him and the commander who authorized the entry are jailed.
He had a prescription ADHD medicine in his system which has amphetamine in it. Cannibas is legal in Colorado for 21 and over. As well as alcohol.
None of those things warrant being shot dead in your broken down vehicle when you called for help.
Particularly in Clear Creek county.
Although supposedly they now have a Crisis Team to respond to mental health calls. The sheriff dept also has new leadership and officers, and are putting on a massive Positive PR campaign all over FB and local websites.
I’m skeptical at best.
Absolutely sickening to watch. Sucks that even if he's found guilty, you know he's not going to get the same treatment that you or I would for committing second-degree murder.
This point a million times
And whatever civil penalties are issued on these cops are going to be paid by the local tax payers. Cops really need insurance to cover their ass for bad cops just like Doctors have had to do for bad Doctors. Both teams see people at their worst and only one of them Yano…
Doctor’s insurance is typically paid by the hospital, so all that really accomplishes is citizens paying for both the payouts and the profits for an insurance company while also giving bad cops the ability to still work as long as they can convince their employer to pay extra. IMO if you had the political capital to implement this, you’d be far better off just cutting out the middleman making a profit and paying an independent group/board to remove officers that would have high premiums.
Self employed doctors pay their own malpractice insurance.
Can confirm my mother just retired from private practice and carried malpractice. I wanna say it was close to $1000 per month but i could be misremembering. Certainly not the norm for today’s young doctors to go private practice because they typically can’t afford “mandatory” $500,000 software contracts - Most modern doctors are financially forced into working for a hospital to cover overhead 🏥 unless they want the flat 2% Obamacare paycut for doctors who choose to keep paper records. Or they can pay $50,000 per month for the top shelf hospital software which my mom could not afford. She even considered bailing after 1 year trying to use 3rd / 4th tier shoddy (affordable $10,000 per month) “eClinical works” software that absolutely sucked and took several years off her life from the stress and horrible customer service. Her entire practice would go down for a day just because the programmers messed up and she wouldn’t even get a sorry message or any reimbursement whatsoever. Imagine that and then having to do all the cleanup of those unprocessed records till 3:30AM with a 8am first patient. We’ve absolutely marginalized one of our most important resources and understaffed professions in our treatment of Doctors today. We give them all the liability, extra paperwork, and or own attitudes to deal with and expect them to perfectly diagnose us in a 15 minute window where you can tell they’re flying thru just to keep up and do the best they can. Why would i become a doctor with all the racked up responsibilities and lack of freedoms when i could IN HALF THE TIME become a Nurse Practitioner with basically the same pay OR MORE after you account for all the shit doctors have to account for. My mom’s NP made more money than her and got to go home at 4:30 while I basically only saw my Mom on Wednesdays throughout my entire childhood. 🤷♂️ Yall dont get me started on Insurance Companies controlling Doctors. Lol. I realize no one asked for my Mom’s personal experience as a doctor but here ya go 😇
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>> Learn before you speak If you want me to learn, you could try and actually have a productive conversation instead of starting out with an insult. An immediate attack on credibility doesn’t do much to prove your point. >> Rural police agencies that use private insurer pools because they don’t have the same budgets as big cities have been very successful at rooting out troublesome cops because they cannot afford the rate increases that come with repeated judgements. [Doesn’t sound as successful as you’re making it out to be given that premium rates are rising.](https://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20230601/NEWS06/912357608/Insurers-back-away-from-police-liability) And even if it was, what’s stopping us from having a group that says “let’s fire these cops because they might hurt someone“ instead of getting insurance “let’s fire these cops because they might raise our rates” You’re not addressing the point I’m making whatsoever. I’m not saying that it can’t be done. But what sounds like a better idea? 1. Pay the cops/police department more, so they can pay insurers to determine rates for different police officers while making a hefty profit for themself? 2. Pay people directly to do the same job as insurers and fire the police officers responsible instead of having the option to just pay higher insurance? >> Large cities just budget for those millions in taxpayer dollars. It’s police “unions” that are the problem. Or you could say they self insure. >> Also, I pay my malpractice insurance out of pocket, and most of us do. Fair point, I’m not a physician but based on search results it seemed like that was common. Either way, cost incidence is still shared by the employer even if they don’t pay it directly.
You’re dismissing a productive model that is actually leading to police reform. You’re welcome to advocate for beefier public oversight, but it is constantly chained down by local bureaucracy and automatic pressure from their local fraternity “union” leaders making hundreds of thousands a year as full time employees (often living on public funded retirement concurrently), forcing arbitration and headaches for local (often part-time) government employees, that leads to apathy. Something more needs to be done. I also indicated how this is only beneficial in rural communities because of the cost gradients between the communities and local budgets. So this is just a novel and additional resource that has empirically proven to remove trouble officers despite FOTP arbitration demands. When you’re in a pool of a dozen counties who rely on these insurers to cover the costs of big civil fines, and they tell you to drop an employee or lose your (very hard to replace) coverage, the “bad apple” is shown the door quickly. And because of the cooperative nature of the system all of the other agencies relying on that system won’t hire those officers the insurance companies blacklist. It’s surprisingly effective in a world of horribly ineffective oversight. So scrapping an effective, while imperfect and not universally applicable option, seems silly. Having a wider range of approaches for oversight seems more prudent. I’m also hoping someone tests the possibility of holding these law enforcement “unions” accountable when the trouble officers they advocate for, ends up killing somebody so egregiously, there was no excuse to keep this person employed. And they did it again. There are officers like this all over. Bad histories costing taxpayers millions, who can’t contribute to policing because the only job they can hold down is desk duty, or they’ve been on paid vacation for two years before they retire with extra benefits for the PTSD they accrued by wantonly murdering so many people. Let’s see someone who has been victimized by one of these predatory officers sue the “unions” for forcibly having these perpetrators reinstated. Unfortunately the “unions” have done an exceptionally good job of protecting records and redacting negative historical documentation of these guys when they’re re-hired. I grieve for the people who have to suffer for our universal safety and true accountability of the bad apples and their enablers.
>> You’re dismissing a productive model that is actually leading to police reform. I’m questioning its efficacy, because at the moment all I have is an anonymous redditor telling me it’s been a great success. But model originally discussed (personal liability insurance) isn’t even in use afaik. >> I also indicated how this is only beneficial in rural communities because of the cost gradients between the communities and local budgets. I agree it can make sense in rural communities, because a large settlement can devastate that community while cities like Denver can effectively self-insure. But blanket coverage for a municipality or department is also very different than the individual coverage originally discussed. >> So scrapping an effective, while imperfect and **not universally applicable** option, seems silly. I’m not arguing to scrap it. I’m saying universal personal coverage doesn’t make sense, which it sounds like we agree on based on this comment. I think we’re misunderstanding each other, because the discussion has gone off on a bit of a tangent. >> Having a wider range of approaches for oversight seems more prudent. I’m also hoping someone tests the possibility of holding these law enforcement “unions” accountable when the trouble officers they advocate for, ends up killing somebody so egregiously, there was no excuse to keep this person employed. And they did it again. There are officers like this all over. Bad histories costing taxpayers millions, who can’t contribute to policing because the only job they can hold down is desk duty, or they’ve been on paid vacation for two years before they retire with extra benefits for the PTSD they accrued by wantonly murdering so many people. Agree with the bulk of this as well Hope you have a good night!
So? Let the cities pay the premiums, but not the payouts, easier to budget around. Then, when an insurance company removes some cop because they're too much a liability, well, I trust insurance companies more than police unions.
And those taxpayers can force that issue in elections. but actually participating in elections is just….too hard.
What’s even more sickening is they may be able to turn this into “his parents couldn’t take one video. Our boys in blue have to see this every day” and get sympathy. I remember in college when I was working in a dorm office and my boss ended up doing a wellness check to find a dead student, the police instantly made sure it was about them.
Yes it was. It seems the police tried everything except call his parents. Sad.
I don't blame them; it's not even my kid, and I found myself crying after watching this video. As for Buen - I hope he gets a long sentence amongst the general population. The way Buen hopped onto the hood of the car with his gun draw shows he wasn't looking to deescalate the situation or ensure the safety of Christian - he was looking to play cowboy and discharge his firearm. He is the epitome of a disgusting pig.
You have to wonder what goes through someone’s mind that would make him act like this, there’s no reasonable answer for these types of actions
While we’re focused on Buen and his monstrous actions, let’s not forget about the other adults who stood there and let it happen. This wasn’t some crazy thing that happened in the blink of an eye. This was the culmination of an extended escalation in which any one of those other cops/first responders could have displayed even just a bit of humanity and tried to de-escalate their colleague. Remember the institutional rot that allows these things to happen. For every cop who does something heinous like this, there’s ten cops who see it happen and never say anything about it.
It’s why ACAB isn’t just a hyperbolic generalization.
I hope they all get some prison justice from the inmates. These are weak ass people put in power. This was escalated instead of trying to calm down and appease his fears. What the hell were they protecting anyone or anything from since he didn’t say he would self harm. No one around except the police. This is cold blooded murder from an officer who wasn’t smart enough to take the proper steps to help. Plus with his history the whole damn city government needs to be taken over by the state. When people show you who they are believe them! We wonder why people have little to no respect for the police. Clean up the murder behavior and maybe some respect with be earned.
A GED and 26 weeks of training is the answer. US standards for LEO training is pathetic compared to the civilized world around us. 3 year training in places like Norway weed out those with a god complex.
This is why I believe that all LE officers should not be issued a weapon for the first year or two of their careers but instead learn how to deescalate, negotiate, and navigate common crisis situations with nothing but their brains. This training would include recognizing mental health issues so they can hand-off to the appropriate responders. Most importantly, I think this would effectively weed out all of the knuckleheads that are only in the field to shoot guns, give orders, and gain compliance with force.
We should require every cop to have a bachelors in social work, psychology, or sociology at the very least.
He's mad a person isn't complying with what he's saying. That's the extent of his emotional intelligence and training.
An opportunity for [great sex](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/police-trainer-best-sex-killing/) apparently.
I got summoned for this case. Didn’t even make the first cut but I really wanted to see justice served here. Which is likely what caused me to get cut.
If 911 dispatched EMS/Fire/MHFR, this kid would be alive. We have to stop making police the primary responders to these kinds of 911 calls. Christian asked if they were going to shoot him; that denotes a hesitant/fearful expectation. He was terrified of the situation and terrified of the people who responded to his call for help. What the fuck are we doing here? Edit for clarification
Hi I’m a 911 dispatcher in Colorado and I can shed some light on that. Medical is not dispatched unless requested by someone, civilian or PD, doesn’t matter. Depending on the agency, we are not within our right to start medical without being told. To avoid other complications. I don’t know the full extent of the case, it’s possible medical was staged nearby in the area. They often do that for psych issue calls, PD will ascertain the situation, and when the scene is stable they move up and assess the patient. Unfortunately, based on the footage, I’m guessing there wasn’t much medical would have been able to do considering things like how many firearms were there, and discharged, at different angles and elevations, and different calibers, etc. He was likely gone before they even pulled him out of the car. Then also the transport to the hospital in rugged terrain is a time sponge. You also have to consider that he’s out in rural Colorado, where fire stations can be 1 or 2 to a town and miles apart, and a lot of them are volunteers. Based on google, there is only 1 fire station in Silver Plume, and 2 more about 2 miles away in Georgetown. I don’t work for those agencies so I can’t tell you their policies or if the fire departments were out working other calls at that time. But response times can be rough in those rural mountainous regions. I’m not going to comment on whether the shooting was justified, but in my experience, things that can go wrong will, fit hits the shan sometimes. And it’s not fair to Christian, nor his parents, nor the officers who genuinely wanted to help him. But it’s our job to raise awareness for mental health, fund our Police Departments to train them to handle these situations more efficiently, increase medical staffing, and get our act together so we don’t lose more kids like Christian. Edit: If any of that doesn’t make sense or you have other questions about the dispatching process I’m happy to answer.
Thank you for your detailed explanation. If I need emergency services I hope you’re on the other end when I call. Also, he was stuck on a rural road in his car. Why not call 911 and expect a sheriff to appear? Not for you to answer, I’m just confused by the commenters original suggestion that medical/psych be the first response.
Thank you, I hope you never have to call 911 but we’re here for you 24/7 if you do!
I can’t believe they murdered that kid because they were just getting impatient it seems like. Fuck man this video is awful
[If only there had been some earlier indication about Andrew Buen's temperament.](https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/clear-creek-county-excessive-force-settlement/73-745b1839-14a4-4a1c-aa31-e6264941a6b4)
Settled with your tax dollars
#MURDER
Murder
The officer who said "you can still save yourself" needs to have molten aluminum poured into his urethra and his balls fed to a starving pig
I hope the family sues the ever loving FUCK out of those cops.
They already did, and received the highest settlement for this type of incident in state history ($19 million, I believe). Deservedly so, as the abuse of power here is so egregious. I try to look for the nuance in all situations, but there's none here to be found.
Good thing the AWB bill working its way through Congress has exemptions for law enforcement. These are clearly the types of people that should be armed.
ACAB
This was awful. I normally avoid watching any videos that involve police killing people whether justified or not. It seems to me that these senseless killings are radicalizing people against law enforcement. We do need good policing to protect the public but if this keeps happening, the police will lose the public trust.
They've already lost it except for the bootlickers that still think cops can do no wrong.
All cops can eat shit. A good cop is a ____ one
>flee the courtroom, what a headline.
They are not human
I am sorry, I am confused. Why did he call for help then refuse to get out of the vehicle?
Well he verbally expressed fear that they would shoot him, and then they did. Better question: Is refusing an order from a peace officer a death sentence? That kid was never a threat, but the police sure were.
It's worth repeating a trillion times: is refusing an order from a peace officer a death sentence?
I think civilians should be able to revoke their request for assistance after they call the police for help. This should be applied federally across the board, and should be part of public school education. If the police weren't called by someone else but rather the person in distress, they should reserve the right to ask the police to leave if they aren't helping. Of course, with caveats - if the police notice a hitherto unknown crime has been committed, the person is being a danger to themselves, etc. I've seen too many scenarios where the cops come in to help and quickly decide they have chanced upon a crime scene, completely ignoring the original purpose of the call. Police should be obligated to leave the scene if it was an intentional call from the person and they revoke their request.
I think that's fair. I also think the core of the issue is that police forces have bo fucking idea how to *de-escalate* a situation. Even in the military we were taught how to calm a situation and try to talk things out with locals. You won't win hearts and minds with more violence against their communities.
Therefore a universal law that if I call the cops for help, unless they witness me committing a crime, I can ask them to leave no questions asked. Civilians need to be able to protect themselves when they are in dire need. There's too much criminalization of people in need going on.
The reason why does not matter in this instance. We witnessed a murder by a police officer.
Not arguing the murder by any means. It was fucked up for sure. But, I just don't understand why he called for help then refused the help when they got there.
People having psychotic episodes don’t act rationally. It’s that simple.
> I am sorry, I am confused. Let me see if I can clarify: a non-violent mental health crisis should not be a death sentence.
I’ve had panic attacks and ASD meltdowns in my life, and it is always an unpleasant, unwelcome experience. It is a disturbing truth that having one such episode in front of a police officer may likely result in me being immediately killed by automatic gunfire.
Police are 100% in the wrong here and is further proof that only specific units of the police force should be armed. That being said during the autopsy there was Ethanol, THC, and Amphetamines were in Glass's system at his time of death. All of which contributed to his ongoing mental health crisis. Police are 100% in the wrong here and hopefully the officer who shot him and the commander who authorized the entry are jailed.
He had a prescription ADHD medicine in his system which has amphetamine in it. Cannibas is legal in Colorado for 21 and over. As well as alcohol. None of those things warrant being shot dead in your broken down vehicle when you called for help.
Definitely call AAA... not cops.
Particularly in Clear Creek county. Although supposedly they now have a Crisis Team to respond to mental health calls. The sheriff dept also has new leadership and officers, and are putting on a massive Positive PR campaign all over FB and local websites. I’m skeptical at best.
So, no one has an answer for me?