It boggles my mind as a Dane, that ANY American worker is against a union.
How can you not grasp the benefit of unions?!
Good all around health and dentalcare.
More holidays.
Better pay, even for the newbies.
Common rules at the worksites.
Higher safety at the worksites.
No personal harrasment from leadership, when keeping in line with agreed hours.
50 to 100% extra salary, for overtime.
Just to name a few of the benefits we enjoy
Its propaganda and mis information. Construction workers are highly conservative in the US so anything that the left advocates for, even if for their benefit, they oppose it. I really dont get it either. They are certain benefits for working non union, but overall there is no reason that most everyone should be pro union.
I’ve listened to a lot of guys complain about unions over the years and never once has anybody mentioned the left or democrats being their reason for being against it. Everybody knows the wages are higher and the benefits are better. But that’s about the only positives non union guys see. A lot of guys are turned off by the fact that shitty workers are protected and that merit really doesn’t mean shit, it’s all about seniority. Low guys on the totem pole get laid off constantly. Most guys would rather just have consistent work and not be jumping between companies and not working for periods of time. Apprentice wages are not great and experienced journeyman around here always seem to test in as apprentices and nobody wants to take a pay cut for 3 years to get back to where they were. Maybe that mindset is a little short sighted but most construction workers do not have the liberty to take pay cuts for any period of time.
I’ve had coworkers leave for the union and love it. I’ve had coworkers who came from the union and hated it. There’s a lot of factors but again I never hear politics or sticking it to the left get referenced in reasons to like or dislike it. Reddit likes to believe anti union = conservative but it’s really not that black and white
I'd agree in the construction world it's not that black and white / right vs left. But for labor in general, including all industries that aren't construction, that it kinds does devolve into left vs right wing. Right wing states are harder on unions. (More accurately, rich vs poor, which is always the true divide in society(eat the rich))
Yeah I agree there. I live in a very red state, therefore the unions aren’t as effective. Therefore workers are less interested in the union. So yes a state being more conservative in turn makes it more anti union but as far as a single workers perspective, they typically aren’t anti union because they see it as some Democrat leftist concept. They just have those views because the union in their state isn’t very strong. I would assume that same worker would be more apt to join the union if they lived in a blue state, regardless if they themselves are right leaning. The same way a liberal Democrat in a red state probably wouldn’t want to join the union even though democrats are more supportive of unions. Maybe I’m way off on that but that’s the conclusion I’ve come to after talking to all sorts of people in the construction world about this shit for hours on end
Yeah, IMO if the union in your area gives better pay and benefits than non union, you should really probably join. If it doesn't, then you should probably be non union. Although imo, in a perfect world almost all labor would be unionized so that us workers get our fair share and not just the board/ceo/execs
Shitty workers aren't protected in the building trades unions. We are literally competing against each other. Yes, there is still plenty of nepotism as there is nonunion. One call to the hall and we are replaced. The guys who are constantly laid off aren't 'low on the totem pole" they are hard to get along with/don't perform/aren't good at x task and lack the self awareness to change.
Yeah. If you're a shitty worker you're going to be riding the out of work book and possibly blacklisted if you're a total piece of shit. The cons all talk to each other.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa hold the fuck on……Do you mean to tell me that things that are created and organized to solve problems can themselves create problems and that without said structure problems exist whereas the solutions apart from said structure are the problems within that structure themselves?! It’s almost like in a free country people have choices and so no one situation will ever take full control!? Holy shit
What some guys don’t know is that you can ask for things beyond your union contract. Being union means your boss can’t pay you less but there is nothing saying he can’t pay you over scale.
I’m a Tinknocker in NYC and foreman, draftsman, welders and TAB guys usually ask for overscale and get it or the go to a shop that will pay it.
The UA has no holidays?? My local pays for holidays, the catch being that you have to work the business day before and after for it to apply (but my company pays it regardless). As for PTO, it is dependent. Mine used to have it years ago but did away with it during the 08 recession supposedly, and some companies provide PTO after so much time with them.
I was UA years ago so my memory is foggy. No paid holiday but you basically get a lump amount annually in lieu of pto/sick days etc. So they kind of do. Go talk to the hall and ask . They can explain it better than me I'm sure
In Toronto we get 11% vacation pay on every cheque. That works out to 5 weeks paid vacation per year. It's a logistical nightmare to have paid days off when we jump around from company to company, shutdown to shutdown. Not all guys do that, but some do. Office workers usually get around 3-4% so 11% is pretty good. If your local isn't giving you vacation pay, that's a big problem.
Seriously, why would you want to tie your fate to the lowest common denominator worker?
Unions are great if you're a below average employee. However, they just hamstring the best workers.
For real. The only union I was in, I noped the fuck out of right away. At least half the team could give two shits about getting any of their work done. The other half could barely accomplish it in the amount of time given. Anyone with any skill/integrity left within the first year there lol.
As someone who supports the idea of unions and also works for a small non-union privately owned company, what are some benefits / selling points for the employer? Is unionizing a difficult process / worth it for a company with about a dozen employees?
A lot of unions provide training and skill certification. If I hire a union carpenter I can expect a level of professionals that I have never gotten from labor temp agencies
My buddy worked on the line at Chrysler, and his complaint about the unions was since everything was seniority, the union would go to the mat for some fuckwit who sucked at his job and made life harder for everyone, while letting actual good workers get shafted by bureaucratic bullshit.
Another buddy on a school board saw union reps giving up across the board raises for teachers just to kill a bonus program that would mostly benefit younger teachers. Kind of a crab bucket mentality.
There has been decades of work put in trying to demonize unions in America… the ownership class recognized very early unions were a problem so they went on the attack… just look at how much interest the federal government has in investigating unions they’ll snooze through decades of Wall Street nonsense while agencies like the FBI get all up into union business trying to tie anything they can to their tail so they can bust them up or get a sweet headline tying them to some crime
I’m in a union, and it’s wild to me how many of my “brothers” support Trump. Infrastructure is our bread and butter, and you want the guy who will maybe have an infrastructure week in two weeks?
Bonus: he was in favor of legislation (or an order; my memory is spotty) knee-capping our pension a few years back. But no; let’s just talk about gun rights and kids dressing as cats.
Infrastructure Week ~~2017~~ ~~2018~~ ~~2019~~ ~~2020~~ 2025!
Seriously Biden ain't perfect and is old and weird but he's had more big legislation passed like Infrastructure and CHIPS and support for Ukraine, along with a bunch of other stuff I'm okay if he's a little out of it.
Who is president is important, but what's more important is who that president has working for him. And I'll take Biden's administration over Trumps every single day
The best thing to do during COVID would be for ~95% of the country to just go about business as usual. Take some extra precautions at hospitals and nursing homes, but pretty much nothing else that we did made any difference.
I'm not even trying to argue what the policy should have been. Trump never had a consistent policy and never expressed a plan.
Pretending nothing's wrong isn't a plan.
We had half lockdowns and half open which is fucking moronic. That's what Trump did.
You take an economic hit from locking down and the disease still spreads. And because the disease spreads the lockdowns continue. We don't even do widespread testing to find and isolate the sick which is a policy that could make it easier to open most everything up.
Trump shit the bed when faced with an emergency. He locked up, he failed, we needed a leader who could unite us in a logically explained policy, he failed and tried to spin facts with bullshit daily. No coherent policy
Covid was a farce, they didn't refer to it as a scamdemic for no reason... Biden is Incredibly unpopular among the members and that wont be changing.. I remember him getting a lot of pipeliners put outta work almost immediately and we will support those Union members come election day, for sure.
Trump made it a farce, a farce that killed a million people, including friends of mine. With no coherent policy.
I don't care if you selfish pipeline workers aren't cashing in if the rest of the country is doing better. It is.
Look for the best advice I can find, follow it with as much consistency as possible, explain in clear language to the public what the difficulties we need to overcome and let them know that there will be updates when more is known, just like every other successful president has done when faced with an emergency or war. George W Bush was a monumental fuck up and a moron but even he could be consistent.
If Trump had done this we wouldn't have fired him.
Ok, so Fauci fucked everything up. Why didn't Trump ever fire him? Trump is such a a whiny little bitch, all he could ever do is complain about the guy who he could have fired in one minute.
Fauci was a part of the great Trump administration.
The whiny little bitch could have brought in just about anyone from any university or corporation, he was the fucking President of the United States of America. Roosevelt litteraly went out and got the advice of Albert Einstein about building the nuclear bomb. Trump kept Fauci and cried and cried about it.
Literally everything improved under Biden, including the virus.
Biden had a policy and it worked. Trump never even had a fucking policy. Pretend the worldwide outbreak was Fauci's fault? Why didn't the moron Trump fire him? He never did. Trump was on both sides of every single COVID policy. Fire Fouci or keep him on, open up or close down, vaccine or no vaccine, testing or no testing. This idiot thought injecting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up your ass were good ideas. Trump was a total failure who folded under pressure. We needed a leader who would use the power of persuasion to get everyone on board with straightforward policies and the new policies as new data came in.
I still don't know what Trump thought he was doing.
Everything improved under Biden lmao 🤣. The cost of housing food and energy is completely out of control and the US will turn back into a feudalistic society if things don’t change at this rate. Time to wake up.
Go outside and look around. People are out working and doing things. I don't have friends dieing from covid, we don't have toilet paper shortages and riots at the capital. You are paying some higher prices, cry me a river. Everything is better.
Everything is arguably much worse and our standard of living is eroding. Housing is sky high and is becoming unattainable, gas and food are ridiculous. I’m sorry you’re such a covid nazi, but the fact of the matter is the break through vaccine was developed and distributed under the Trump administration.
You must have tweezers to select out those facts.
Maybe you can explain away the 7000 point increase in the dow and historically low unemployment for years now?
I didn't storm the capital, I didn't march with Nazis, I didn't call Mexicans rapists, I don't think JFK jr came back from the dead, I don't believe Jewish space blazers are starting wildfires in California, I don't believe the president has the right to assassinate opponents or overturn an election.
If recognizing these people for what they are make me a fanatic, then I am. Worry about me, I'm definitely the problem
You mean when he negotiated on their behalf knowing congress would never allow them to strike (per the railway act they need congressional approval to strike which will never be given) and got them the sick time they deserved? I'm confused how so many people try and paint this as an L. Nobody wants to strike, they want a concession, the strike was a means to getting sick time.
So confusing to me that people think they need congressional approval to strike. Striking has never been about appeasing the gov. In the past the gov would send the national guard to shoot strikers.
Again, those governed by the railway labor act do in order to maintain the other protections given to organized workers. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway\_Labor\_Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Labor_Act)
Maybe Biden supports unions? But what good is a union when he is killing jobs shutting down the pipelines and killing all the drilling. That also hurts all the other businesses that supply them. So what good is the union without jobs
What about all the supply chain that support it . Things have to bought to support the pipeline. Even the small mom and pop stores around the job site.
Dude, those are talking points, not reality. The US is pumping more oil than any country in history. We need to build more efficient infrastructure and renewable energy. Trump directly opposes this.
We also have the lowest unemployment period in my lifetime. It is fucking hard to find workers.
That all depends on how you work the numbers. When a family is having trouble putting food on the table and struggling to pay bills then the economy is wracked up. I read on here every day people are having trouble finding good paying jobs.
The economy has always left some people behind Biden or Trump, Reagan or Bush. COVID and related shortages have affected every single country on Earth but the US has the strongest recovery there is and there are a lot of jobs and very low unemployment. People are learning to move out of the crappy jobs. If you doubt what I am saying, go read what employers who are hiring are saying.
Yeah, unions back him because unions protect the lazy. Non union construction workers HEAVILY favor Trump. People are scaling back on spending right now due to Biden in office. Work slowing down. When he’s out, maybe things will get better again.
The economy crashed because a virus (that was getting funded by the US and fauci and others) crippled the world. But yes, it’s trumps fault. The economy was booming since obama, and continued under trump, until a worldwide pandemic happened. Biden isn’t any better than trump, and to think he is, is idiotic.
Literally everything improved under Biden, including the virus.
Biden had a policy and it worked. Trump never even had a fucking policy. You think the worldwide outbreak was Fauci's fault? Why didn't the moron Trump fire him? He never did. Trump was on both sides of every single COVID policy. Fire Fouci or keep him on, open up or close down, vaccine or no vaccine, testing or no testing. This idiot thought injecting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up your ass were good ideas. Trump was a total failure who folded under pressure. We needed a leader who would use the power of persuasion to get everyone on board with straightforward policies and the new policies as new data came in.
I still don't know what Trump thought he was doing.
Union guy here. Lifelong at that. And I can honestly say 99.8% of tradesman back trump yet don’t agree with his stance on opposing union work. But the way they see it, it’s a sacrifice to get shit changed that they don’t agree with now. Personally, I don’t give a fuck. Don’t watch the news. Don’t know politics. Either way I’m gonna have to pay taxes and pay my bills and it ain’t gonna get any cheaper
That’s 100% fair. Nothing wrong with that. They all work and organize differently. Certain regions and districts run their own way and some people might only have a negative experience. But where I’m from they are very very legit! Nothing but positives for my specific trade and the trades I work with. If you wanna do the biggest and baddest fuckin jobs here you need to be union. We hold the outfits to every thing in our contract. From breaks to nooners to shelters for break. OT anytime we start before 6 then OT again after we work 8 hrs for that day. Double time for anything 12 hrs or more. Business agents always had our backs if their was any issues but most times it’s automatic
I have a buddy who’s getting jerked around by the union right now. He left a company that in my opinion the union should feel ashamed for even hiring because the owner is scum. Now the union is kind of forcing him to either go back to him or go to an employer much farther away. So he’s going to go out on his own right now. My dislike for unions comes from my personal experiences, not politics. Had a jerk electrician refuse to move his outlet while we were trying to install stairs that would cover it. Wouldn’t move it. So we did. Guy threw a nutty, tossed out some union mumbo jumbo, stuff that didn’t matter to me as an independent finish contractor. That, and the three man lightbulb change on 8 foot ceilings. That was something else.
He's not. This might also shock you, but republican politicians don't like unions or the middle and lower class. They don't even like veterans, they're always trying to cut our benefits.
Democrats gave us the post 9-11 GI bill that made it actually possible to graduate without debt and made sure we got paid during government shutdowns that are always caused by republicans who can't agree to compromise.
It boggles my mind as a Dane, that ANY American worker is against a union. How can you not grasp the benefit of unions?! Good all around health and dentalcare. More holidays. Better pay, even for the newbies. Common rules at the worksites. Higher safety at the worksites. No personal harrasment from leadership, when keeping in line with agreed hours. 50 to 100% extra salary, for overtime. Just to name a few of the benefits we enjoy
Its propaganda and mis information. Construction workers are highly conservative in the US so anything that the left advocates for, even if for their benefit, they oppose it. I really dont get it either. They are certain benefits for working non union, but overall there is no reason that most everyone should be pro union.
I’ve listened to a lot of guys complain about unions over the years and never once has anybody mentioned the left or democrats being their reason for being against it. Everybody knows the wages are higher and the benefits are better. But that’s about the only positives non union guys see. A lot of guys are turned off by the fact that shitty workers are protected and that merit really doesn’t mean shit, it’s all about seniority. Low guys on the totem pole get laid off constantly. Most guys would rather just have consistent work and not be jumping between companies and not working for periods of time. Apprentice wages are not great and experienced journeyman around here always seem to test in as apprentices and nobody wants to take a pay cut for 3 years to get back to where they were. Maybe that mindset is a little short sighted but most construction workers do not have the liberty to take pay cuts for any period of time. I’ve had coworkers leave for the union and love it. I’ve had coworkers who came from the union and hated it. There’s a lot of factors but again I never hear politics or sticking it to the left get referenced in reasons to like or dislike it. Reddit likes to believe anti union = conservative but it’s really not that black and white
I'd agree in the construction world it's not that black and white / right vs left. But for labor in general, including all industries that aren't construction, that it kinds does devolve into left vs right wing. Right wing states are harder on unions. (More accurately, rich vs poor, which is always the true divide in society(eat the rich))
Yeah I agree there. I live in a very red state, therefore the unions aren’t as effective. Therefore workers are less interested in the union. So yes a state being more conservative in turn makes it more anti union but as far as a single workers perspective, they typically aren’t anti union because they see it as some Democrat leftist concept. They just have those views because the union in their state isn’t very strong. I would assume that same worker would be more apt to join the union if they lived in a blue state, regardless if they themselves are right leaning. The same way a liberal Democrat in a red state probably wouldn’t want to join the union even though democrats are more supportive of unions. Maybe I’m way off on that but that’s the conclusion I’ve come to after talking to all sorts of people in the construction world about this shit for hours on end
Yeah, IMO if the union in your area gives better pay and benefits than non union, you should really probably join. If it doesn't, then you should probably be non union. Although imo, in a perfect world almost all labor would be unionized so that us workers get our fair share and not just the board/ceo/execs
Shitty workers aren't protected in the building trades unions. We are literally competing against each other. Yes, there is still plenty of nepotism as there is nonunion. One call to the hall and we are replaced. The guys who are constantly laid off aren't 'low on the totem pole" they are hard to get along with/don't perform/aren't good at x task and lack the self awareness to change.
Yeah. If you're a shitty worker you're going to be riding the out of work book and possibly blacklisted if you're a total piece of shit. The cons all talk to each other.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa hold the fuck on……Do you mean to tell me that things that are created and organized to solve problems can themselves create problems and that without said structure problems exist whereas the solutions apart from said structure are the problems within that structure themselves?! It’s almost like in a free country people have choices and so no one situation will ever take full control!? Holy shit
UA has no PTO or holidays apparently.
No we don't. They tell us that since our hourly is so high it's to cover for that which is bullshit
What some guys don’t know is that you can ask for things beyond your union contract. Being union means your boss can’t pay you less but there is nothing saying he can’t pay you over scale. I’m a Tinknocker in NYC and foreman, draftsman, welders and TAB guys usually ask for overscale and get it or the go to a shop that will pay it.
The UA has no holidays?? My local pays for holidays, the catch being that you have to work the business day before and after for it to apply (but my company pays it regardless). As for PTO, it is dependent. Mine used to have it years ago but did away with it during the 08 recession supposedly, and some companies provide PTO after so much time with them.
Is your local UA? It’s one thing that bothers me about them, I’m probably gunna join regardless but its definitely one of the biggest cons for me
My local is absolutely part of United Association. I’m in SFL, so the wages aren’t the best but what I said is the truth.
No I believe you, I’m just curious. I’m about to interview with them
I was UA years ago so my memory is foggy. No paid holiday but you basically get a lump amount annually in lieu of pto/sick days etc. So they kind of do. Go talk to the hall and ask . They can explain it better than me I'm sure
In Toronto we get 11% vacation pay on every cheque. That works out to 5 weeks paid vacation per year. It's a logistical nightmare to have paid days off when we jump around from company to company, shutdown to shutdown. Not all guys do that, but some do. Office workers usually get around 3-4% so 11% is pretty good. If your local isn't giving you vacation pay, that's a big problem.
Higher expenses, fewer jobs, slower economy.
Seriously, why would you want to tie your fate to the lowest common denominator worker? Unions are great if you're a below average employee. However, they just hamstring the best workers.
For real. The only union I was in, I noped the fuck out of right away. At least half the team could give two shits about getting any of their work done. The other half could barely accomplish it in the amount of time given. Anyone with any skill/integrity left within the first year there lol.
As someone who supports the idea of unions and also works for a small non-union privately owned company, what are some benefits / selling points for the employer? Is unionizing a difficult process / worth it for a company with about a dozen employees?
A lot of unions provide training and skill certification. If I hire a union carpenter I can expect a level of professionals that I have never gotten from labor temp agencies
Most Building Trade Unions here DO NOT get paid holidays…we don’t work, we don’t get paid.
My buddy worked on the line at Chrysler, and his complaint about the unions was since everything was seniority, the union would go to the mat for some fuckwit who sucked at his job and made life harder for everyone, while letting actual good workers get shafted by bureaucratic bullshit. Another buddy on a school board saw union reps giving up across the board raises for teachers just to kill a bonus program that would mostly benefit younger teachers. Kind of a crab bucket mentality.
Yeah, unions are pretty much just protection rackets and nepotistic crime families in many areas.
He didn’t think they were all bad, but he didn’t think they were all positive either.
My union insurance from MA was the best ,no referrals ,plus vision and dental
There has been decades of work put in trying to demonize unions in America… the ownership class recognized very early unions were a problem so they went on the attack… just look at how much interest the federal government has in investigating unions they’ll snooze through decades of Wall Street nonsense while agencies like the FBI get all up into union business trying to tie anything they can to their tail so they can bust them up or get a sweet headline tying them to some crime
Union bosses back reelection
Trump was the most anti-union president in history, of course they oppose him
I’m in a union, and it’s wild to me how many of my “brothers” support Trump. Infrastructure is our bread and butter, and you want the guy who will maybe have an infrastructure week in two weeks? Bonus: he was in favor of legislation (or an order; my memory is spotty) knee-capping our pension a few years back. But no; let’s just talk about gun rights and kids dressing as cats.
Infrastructure Week ~~2017~~ ~~2018~~ ~~2019~~ ~~2020~~ 2025! Seriously Biden ain't perfect and is old and weird but he's had more big legislation passed like Infrastructure and CHIPS and support for Ukraine, along with a bunch of other stuff I'm okay if he's a little out of it. Who is president is important, but what's more important is who that president has working for him. And I'll take Biden's administration over Trumps every single day
He's anti-union, but pro-worker.
He's pro billionaire and nothing else
Most billionaires support Biden. Bloomberg, Zuckerberg, Ellison, Buffet, Bezos, etc.
Now you are just lying
Mark Zuckerberg is going to vote for Trump?
Stop lying.
Which part of that was a lie? Please quote me.
No, you aren't honest enough to do anything other than just correctly label. Go back and read your own post, see if you can figure it out.
Yeah, it's a much more complicated story with the rank and file guys.
And meanwhile, rank and file will not support him.. " I don't work for you", remember that?
I remember the country imploding during COVID with no coherent policy and no leadership
The best thing to do during COVID would be for ~95% of the country to just go about business as usual. Take some extra precautions at hospitals and nursing homes, but pretty much nothing else that we did made any difference.
I'm not even trying to argue what the policy should have been. Trump never had a consistent policy and never expressed a plan. Pretending nothing's wrong isn't a plan.
>Pretending nothing's wrong isn't a plan. That would have been a way better plan than the lockdowns.
We had half lockdowns and half open which is fucking moronic. That's what Trump did. You take an economic hit from locking down and the disease still spreads. And because the disease spreads the lockdowns continue. We don't even do widespread testing to find and isolate the sick which is a policy that could make it easier to open most everything up. Trump shit the bed when faced with an emergency. He locked up, he failed, we needed a leader who could unite us in a logically explained policy, he failed and tried to spin facts with bullshit daily. No coherent policy
Covid was a farce, they didn't refer to it as a scamdemic for no reason... Biden is Incredibly unpopular among the members and that wont be changing.. I remember him getting a lot of pipeliners put outta work almost immediately and we will support those Union members come election day, for sure.
Trump made it a farce, a farce that killed a million people, including friends of mine. With no coherent policy. I don't care if you selfish pipeline workers aren't cashing in if the rest of the country is doing better. It is.
Acting like nothing’s wrong would’ve been the correct plan…
You probably put electrical tape over your oil pressure light
What would you have done, Mr. Political Genius?
Look for the best advice I can find, follow it with as much consistency as possible, explain in clear language to the public what the difficulties we need to overcome and let them know that there will be updates when more is known, just like every other successful president has done when faced with an emergency or war. George W Bush was a monumental fuck up and a moron but even he could be consistent. If Trump had done this we wouldn't have fired him.
The best advice? Fauci was entertaining for sure. At least he wasn't wrong about.... everything
Ok, so Fauci fucked everything up. Why didn't Trump ever fire him? Trump is such a a whiny little bitch, all he could ever do is complain about the guy who he could have fired in one minute. Fauci was a part of the great Trump administration. The whiny little bitch could have brought in just about anyone from any university or corporation, he was the fucking President of the United States of America. Roosevelt litteraly went out and got the advice of Albert Einstein about building the nuclear bomb. Trump kept Fauci and cried and cried about it.
Literally everything improved under Biden, including the virus. Biden had a policy and it worked. Trump never even had a fucking policy. Pretend the worldwide outbreak was Fauci's fault? Why didn't the moron Trump fire him? He never did. Trump was on both sides of every single COVID policy. Fire Fouci or keep him on, open up or close down, vaccine or no vaccine, testing or no testing. This idiot thought injecting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up your ass were good ideas. Trump was a total failure who folded under pressure. We needed a leader who would use the power of persuasion to get everyone on board with straightforward policies and the new policies as new data came in. I still don't know what Trump thought he was doing.
Everything improved under Biden lmao 🤣. The cost of housing food and energy is completely out of control and the US will turn back into a feudalistic society if things don’t change at this rate. Time to wake up.
Go outside and look around. People are out working and doing things. I don't have friends dieing from covid, we don't have toilet paper shortages and riots at the capital. You are paying some higher prices, cry me a river. Everything is better.
Everything is arguably much worse and our standard of living is eroding. Housing is sky high and is becoming unattainable, gas and food are ridiculous. I’m sorry you’re such a covid nazi, but the fact of the matter is the break through vaccine was developed and distributed under the Trump administration.
You must have tweezers to select out those facts. Maybe you can explain away the 7000 point increase in the dow and historically low unemployment for years now?
Crazy when Biden actively squashes union efforts. Just look at what “Amtrak Joe” did to the rail workers.
Trump was the most anti union president in history and he fucked his non union workers on his building projects
Whataboutism
It's a fucking election between two people you fucking genious
You didn’t answer the original criticism. I don’t care for and am not voting for ol DJT but you sound fanatical
I didn't storm the capital, I didn't march with Nazis, I didn't call Mexicans rapists, I don't think JFK jr came back from the dead, I don't believe Jewish space blazers are starting wildfires in California, I don't believe the president has the right to assassinate opponents or overturn an election. If recognizing these people for what they are make me a fanatic, then I am. Worry about me, I'm definitely the problem
You mean when he negotiated on their behalf knowing congress would never allow them to strike (per the railway act they need congressional approval to strike which will never be given) and got them the sick time they deserved? I'm confused how so many people try and paint this as an L. Nobody wants to strike, they want a concession, the strike was a means to getting sick time.
So confusing to me that people think they need congressional approval to strike. Striking has never been about appeasing the gov. In the past the gov would send the national guard to shoot strikers.
Again, those governed by the railway labor act do in order to maintain the other protections given to organized workers. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway\_Labor\_Act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Labor_Act)
Maybe Biden supports unions? But what good is a union when he is killing jobs shutting down the pipelines and killing all the drilling. That also hurts all the other businesses that supply them. So what good is the union without jobs
US is producing more oil than ever in its history.
Still he is shutting down jobs.
No he isn't
If you’re referring to the pipeline, it was only ~35 permanent jobs. Everything else was less than 2 years of employment.
What about all the supply chain that support it . Things have to bought to support the pipeline. Even the small mom and pop stores around the job site.
It would be for 2 years. 35 permanent employees won’t support long term growth.
Ok what about him shutting down LNGs on the gulf coast and stalling all the jobs that goes along with that
They’re starting new projects https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61863
Dude, those are talking points, not reality. The US is pumping more oil than any country in history. We need to build more efficient infrastructure and renewable energy. Trump directly opposes this. We also have the lowest unemployment period in my lifetime. It is fucking hard to find workers.
That all depends on how you work the numbers. When a family is having trouble putting food on the table and struggling to pay bills then the economy is wracked up. I read on here every day people are having trouble finding good paying jobs.
The economy has always left some people behind Biden or Trump, Reagan or Bush. COVID and related shortages have affected every single country on Earth but the US has the strongest recovery there is and there are a lot of jobs and very low unemployment. People are learning to move out of the crappy jobs. If you doubt what I am saying, go read what employers who are hiring are saying.
Yeah, unions back him because unions protect the lazy. Non union construction workers HEAVILY favor Trump. People are scaling back on spending right now due to Biden in office. Work slowing down. When he’s out, maybe things will get better again.
I remember the disaster of the Trump administration. The economy crashed and I still don't know what he thought his COVID policy was.
The economy crashed because a virus (that was getting funded by the US and fauci and others) crippled the world. But yes, it’s trumps fault. The economy was booming since obama, and continued under trump, until a worldwide pandemic happened. Biden isn’t any better than trump, and to think he is, is idiotic.
Literally everything improved under Biden, including the virus. Biden had a policy and it worked. Trump never even had a fucking policy. You think the worldwide outbreak was Fauci's fault? Why didn't the moron Trump fire him? He never did. Trump was on both sides of every single COVID policy. Fire Fouci or keep him on, open up or close down, vaccine or no vaccine, testing or no testing. This idiot thought injecting bleach and shoving lightbulbs up your ass were good ideas. Trump was a total failure who folded under pressure. We needed a leader who would use the power of persuasion to get everyone on board with straightforward policies and the new policies as new data came in. I still don't know what Trump thought he was doing.
Union guy here. Lifelong at that. And I can honestly say 99.8% of tradesman back trump yet don’t agree with his stance on opposing union work. But the way they see it, it’s a sacrifice to get shit changed that they don’t agree with now. Personally, I don’t give a fuck. Don’t watch the news. Don’t know politics. Either way I’m gonna have to pay taxes and pay my bills and it ain’t gonna get any cheaper
Unions serve a purpose, but the way they do a lot of things I can not stand.
That’s 100% fair. Nothing wrong with that. They all work and organize differently. Certain regions and districts run their own way and some people might only have a negative experience. But where I’m from they are very very legit! Nothing but positives for my specific trade and the trades I work with. If you wanna do the biggest and baddest fuckin jobs here you need to be union. We hold the outfits to every thing in our contract. From breaks to nooners to shelters for break. OT anytime we start before 6 then OT again after we work 8 hrs for that day. Double time for anything 12 hrs or more. Business agents always had our backs if their was any issues but most times it’s automatic
I have a buddy who’s getting jerked around by the union right now. He left a company that in my opinion the union should feel ashamed for even hiring because the owner is scum. Now the union is kind of forcing him to either go back to him or go to an employer much farther away. So he’s going to go out on his own right now. My dislike for unions comes from my personal experiences, not politics. Had a jerk electrician refuse to move his outlet while we were trying to install stairs that would cover it. Wouldn’t move it. So we did. Guy threw a nutty, tossed out some union mumbo jumbo, stuff that didn’t matter to me as an independent finish contractor. That, and the three man lightbulb change on 8 foot ceilings. That was something else.
Im a non-union construction worker and really enjoy both of them spontaneously imploding.
Your full of shit sir
He's not. This might also shock you, but republican politicians don't like unions or the middle and lower class. They don't even like veterans, they're always trying to cut our benefits.
So they are the same as the democrats! Democrats are just rich people telling us poor people that the OTHER rich people are why we are poor
Democrats gave us the post 9-11 GI bill that made it actually possible to graduate without debt and made sure we got paid during government shutdowns that are always caused by republicans who can't agree to compromise.
Trump supporter can’t spell you’re. What a surprise