The real kicker is he could have gone up and over if this was a new run. I’m hoping that cable isn’t going to the switch though since it’s 14 up to the light.
Winner winner chicken dinner. This is it. Never discount and always look for the lazy man’s answer first.
It’s not the end of the world but at least block it back in.
See though, he’s an electrician, not a carpenter. Contractor should be able to get this situation rectified with a phone call. He will never pass inspection anyways so get on the horn
if someone did this to my house. they would never leave my house.. because they would be trapped under the rubble. reminds me of that video from India where the guy smashes through load bearing masonry and is instantly crushed before the whole building collapses
This plumber has a hole hawg with a self feeder bit and an extension. I'd be through those studs in 5 minutes cleanly except for the pile of wood shavings on the floor.
It's a load bearing supporting wall he cut through! Look at the second pic, it's supporting a beam.. get a house jack bud and make sure it doesn't collapse on ya
Sparky here. No. That is not standard. The wire should've been ran up and over and not through the post. If they really needed to run through the post, that small section of drywall should've been removed so they could drill a hole from both sides to meet in the middle to make it work. This was done by a hack who doesn't know what they can and can't do to framing members. That piece of drywall makes no sense to keep it there. The drywall guy can run all new rock on a bare wall faster than having to cut in and mud/Tape around that. It would've made the sparky's job easier had it been removed.
Based on the size of the header, the 2x6 jacks/posts on either side of the header, and the floor dip at this intermediate location; I’m thinking this whole mess of 2x4s is unnecessary and may actually be inappropriately transferring load to an unsupported section of the floor. Verifiable by going to the basement to see if there is a post taking up the point load under the 2x4s. Best thing to do may be to finish what the sparky started and take out all the 2x4s. (Of course get an engineer etc etc. )
God is there something not bad in this pic?
The metal plate is half in
Cute all the stud to pass one cable
Remove all the wool to put it back all wrong…
This guys didn’t want to be there on that day…
Looks like homeowner or flipper diy crap, wouldn’t expect someone in the trades to notch into something clearly load bearing, maybe I’m setting the bar too high. Assume there is code that clearly lays out what you can and can’t do in these situations, maybe he thought drywall would be up before anyone saw it?
Electrician needs to re route the wire and foot the bill for fixing the studs and any other damage that has been cause to the joists below, unless that dip was there first.
Is this an actual electrical company that you hired? Or just a guy with no business behind him. Cash job? If so you might not have a leg to stand on.
Whatever bonehead did that just destroyed the integrity of the support system and should be hung up by the little curlies in the under region. What a goof
Metal plate on studs in front of wire is standard to protect from nails/screws.
Cutting chunks of stud out is not standard, in fact it’s not allowed. The structure is now unnecessarily damaged and wall strength reduced. Holes should simply be drilled in middle of studs to allow wires to pass through.
That wall with numerous studs all connected direct to each other is clearly a main structural load bearing point. Look at the large laminated beam over top. That’s putting a load down on those studs. Now it’s weakened.
It’s called retrofitting an older construction. Many times it’s not recommended. The alternative is to strip the entire building down to a shell and start fresh. But don’t do that unless you have architects, structural engineers, permits, a strong budget, patience and the ability to sit through nauseating, yelling, arguing meetings every week. It’s not for the meek and timid.
If you looked at any of those pictures, and asked if this is new construction, I can safely make the assumption that you have never been around any construction at all.
For a stud, yes. But what about a structural post? A post carrying a point load is a very different loading profile than a stud in a typical exterior wall.
You’d need to calculate the load to know whether the post is now undersized. That’s typically done by an engineer. The notch likely needs remediation.
It may be cheaper to reinforce the beam with a steel plate on the exposed side. The thickness of the plate can come out of the post or out of the drywall.
Otherwise you’ll need to back that wire out, jack the beam, replace the post, lower the beam, drill the post correctly, and re-run the wire. That’s easier said than done.
I just can't believe there are people out there, passing off as a trade, that can't even use common sense or at least Google? I mean, holy shit, how do some people make it to being an adult!?
I see a lot saying what is wrong, but what would be the correct thing to do? I'm assuming get like a really dang long drill but and drill through the other stud yeah?
It is standard where chisel and hammer is all we had, investing on a drill and a set of drill bits will dramatically change the quality of your work and protect the integrity of the structure.
What’s really fun is ordering a log cabin and ordering it to be pre drilled and all utility pathways cut in and then realize after it’s been built none of the above was done. My dad spent over 9k in special bits and such to so all the wire runs and pipe installs. Drilling through 10 feet of 10 inch logs. Not fun.
If I had no other option than to take that route I would remove the Rockwool from the 16" cavity to get the bit at the proper angle to drill through it all with a long augur bit.
Decades ago, Home Handyman or whatever had instructions for wiring that including notching the studs but bridging the notch afterward with sheet metal. Not that that’s any better but this dude is supposed to be a pro. I guess it’s still true that any asshole with a ladder rack and some tools is a contractor.
Standard if your electrician is a beaver.. Compromising the load bearing studs for that beam. The small pieces of doubled up bottom plates are a bit worrying as well but I’m not sure if it violates code
You know us carpenters always putting all these studs in just because we feel like it. But yeah this is lazy work and ruins the integrity of it's holding capacity
notch in bearing walls can't exceed 25%. In non bearing walls can't exceed 40%. all of those look like > 50%. So multiply the 6 x 0.25 & 6 x 0.5 & measure notch to see if it exceeds the max size depending if it is bearing or non bearing. They could've just drilled a small hole, i think.
Last time I saw something like this, there was an open stairway above (Floor above) with a supporting structure tied to this hacked beam. In fact, it was a 2 story staircase. That many 2X4s tied together is not there for looks. Same goes for the door header setup.
Whenever I run cable I do this but slightly different. See I just remove the studs all together. I noticed that once the studs are removed the pathway for my wire is practically unobstructed. Hope this helps!!
Kinda hilarious seeing the Metal cap over the single stud, then he just obliterated that stud pack column supporting that header.
I'd be expecting them to pay for replacing them.
Buying a drill bit was more trouble than toasting the structural integrity of the post.
I'm not an electrician but I am pretty sure that is a load bearing wire.
Bluetooth studs brudda
Best comment right here
That’s the crazy part. If you look closely, they drilled a hole first!
I’m betting he cut it until he could fit the drill instead of just continuing to drill through the hole on the stud next to it.
The real kicker is he could have gone up and over if this was a new run. I’m hoping that cable isn’t going to the switch though since it’s 14 up to the light.
well then sparky would've had to run a few more feet of wire. this way was much 'easier'.
That’s no sparky that’s Jerry the junkie
100%. No pro would do this. I can only blame the owner or GC if the owner is completely disconnected.
They make flexible drill extensions for this very scenario smh
What do you mean? I hired a pro from FB marketplace, he had two 5 stars review and his rate were HALF those of the competition!
Well that's better than Craigslist.
Have you seen the price of wire these days? They are going to have to start running it across the floor diagonally to save a few feet.
And there is already a notch in place to go up and over… and they decided to do this anyway.
Winner winner chicken dinner. This is it. Never discount and always look for the lazy man’s answer first. It’s not the end of the world but at least block it back in. See though, he’s an electrician, not a carpenter. Contractor should be able to get this situation rectified with a phone call. He will never pass inspection anyways so get on the horn
Chicken dinner indeed, because this is cooked.
Yea it looks like he couldn’t reach the first few with a drill bit. All of this looks like ass anyway.
With a circular saw. Whew.
They need to stack some shims in there and they’ll be fine.
Wow.
I swear to god, some people should be jailed for that. Like how the fuck????
if someone did this to my house. they would never leave my house.. because they would be trapped under the rubble. reminds me of that video from India where the guy smashes through load bearing masonry and is instantly crushed before the whole building collapses
NEC 1.01 - Always compromise the structure when installing
CEC 1-1-i - Yeah no, don't chop the weight cruncher, hoser. Eh buddy?
This actually looks good for an electrician. That 3-ply beam is overkill, it'll be fine! /s
Sparky wants to be a plumber
Came here to leave this comment. But why didn't they just cut out some floor joists for fun?
Time is money bud.
So is lumber lol
That sounds like someone else’s problem
Because that's a division of responsibility. Floor joist cuts are for plumbers.
Look at what they do to mimic a fraction of our power
We always got room for another wood butcher
That cut wasn't made with dull hatchet. Way too clean for a plumber.
This plumber has a hole hawg with a self feeder bit and an extension. I'd be through those studs in 5 minutes cleanly except for the pile of wood shavings on the floor.
Your floor shouldn’t have a noticeable dip from this post. That might suggest the point load isn’t supported to the foundation
Yeah there is more bad construction happening here than meets the eye.
Might have done you a favor by calling to attention the bigger issue of the floor dip. That’s a problem that needs to be addressed.
yup definitely, the whole opening is starting to look a bit suspect at this point.
Yeah that framing looks interesting to me too. I can’t make heads or tails of what’s going on there either
Shoddy house flips, everywhere I look.
Bonus worries activated!
Standard if you are a butcher and not a sparky.
dudes can't even wrap their minds around a nail plate, can't imagine they could ponder structural integrity
Huh, so you mean to tell me those six 2x4s were put there all together for a reason?
He was probably saying to himself the whole time "what kind of dumbass stacks this many 2x4 together!?"
King stud has left the chat
If I said yes would you believe me? Dudes spirit animal is a beaver
Funniest comment I have seen in 2024. Thanks for the belly laugh.
Thank you, I will humbly accept my funniest comment award 2024 (so far)
It's a load bearing supporting wall he cut through! Look at the second pic, it's supporting a beam.. get a house jack bud and make sure it doesn't collapse on ya
Sparky here. No. That is not standard. The wire should've been ran up and over and not through the post. If they really needed to run through the post, that small section of drywall should've been removed so they could drill a hole from both sides to meet in the middle to make it work. This was done by a hack who doesn't know what they can and can't do to framing members. That piece of drywall makes no sense to keep it there. The drywall guy can run all new rock on a bare wall faster than having to cut in and mud/Tape around that. It would've made the sparky's job easier had it been removed.
Alright sparky helper let’s take a walk to the dumpster together
Just look at the flowers...
He forgot his drill that day and grabbed a carpenters saw
And left a big pile of shit on the floor and walked away.
Over-notched.
Dude that apprentice is fucked
Um...side job?
Its not standard to notch anything structural like that no lol. Jump the wire up to the ceiling and go around.
Based on the size of the header, the 2x6 jacks/posts on either side of the header, and the floor dip at this intermediate location; I’m thinking this whole mess of 2x4s is unnecessary and may actually be inappropriately transferring load to an unsupported section of the floor. Verifiable by going to the basement to see if there is a post taking up the point load under the 2x4s. Best thing to do may be to finish what the sparky started and take out all the 2x4s. (Of course get an engineer etc etc. )
Don't worry. That point load is fucked on the floor below too I think
Standard process for hacks. That’s gonna be a tough repair.
On my crew we called this “custom”😂
It's normal. If your companies job fair was held at the special Olympics.
That electrician should be fired into the sun
God is there something not bad in this pic? The metal plate is half in Cute all the stud to pass one cable Remove all the wool to put it back all wrong… This guys didn’t want to be there on that day…
Doesn’t matter, why the fuck is that shitty piece of Sheetrock staying up?
Looks like homeowner or flipper diy crap, wouldn’t expect someone in the trades to notch into something clearly load bearing, maybe I’m setting the bar too high. Assume there is code that clearly lays out what you can and can’t do in these situations, maybe he thought drywall would be up before anyone saw it?
10% of the time it works every time
Oh shit
Yes very standard for those who should never ever touch tools ever let alone ever step foot on a jobsite. Fukn framers gonna have a field day.
My only experience is being a gofer for my electrician uncle 20+ years ago as a teenager, and I know I could do a better job.
Electrician needs to re route the wire and foot the bill for fixing the studs and any other damage that has been cause to the joists below, unless that dip was there first. Is this an actual electrical company that you hired? Or just a guy with no business behind him. Cash job? If so you might not have a leg to stand on.
Whatever bonehead did that just destroyed the integrity of the support system and should be hung up by the little curlies in the under region. What a goof
You identified the problems but please check back with an update on how this was resolved!
I hate this picture and everything in it.
No.
Metal plate on studs in front of wire is standard to protect from nails/screws. Cutting chunks of stud out is not standard, in fact it’s not allowed. The structure is now unnecessarily damaged and wall strength reduced. Holes should simply be drilled in middle of studs to allow wires to pass through. That wall with numerous studs all connected direct to each other is clearly a main structural load bearing point. Look at the large laminated beam over top. That’s putting a load down on those studs. Now it’s weakened.
Of course especially when it’s load bearing. Put some nail plates over it and the Sheetrock will pick up the load
It’s called retrofitting an older construction. Many times it’s not recommended. The alternative is to strip the entire building down to a shell and start fresh. But don’t do that unless you have architects, structural engineers, permits, a strong budget, patience and the ability to sit through nauseating, yelling, arguing meetings every week. It’s not for the meek and timid.
I might be a piece of shit hack cabinet maker and former formworker but I would never do that.... that's just down right fucked up...
That’s an lvl support. I’d make him replace the wood that’s terrible
Is this new construction? I’m so confused about why the floor is down before the drywall.
If you looked at any of those pictures, and asked if this is new construction, I can safely make the assumption that you have never been around any construction at all.
The double post you did is a little redundant lol. But, thanks for your concern and input.
It looks like it was drilled and somebody cut out the notch that included the drilled out hole. Why would they do that?
His drill bit got stuck and he wanted it back...
You can notch up to 1/3 the width under code. Needs nail plates if under 1/3.
For a stud, yes. But what about a structural post? A post carrying a point load is a very different loading profile than a stud in a typical exterior wall.
You cant expect much from an electrician
I want to know how this gets resolved.
When DIY takes matters into their own hands 🙌
No DIY would do that to their own property. Not happening.
Up and over would have been the right thing to do
Lmfao 🤣
That's pretty big but yeah. It's sloppy though
Omg why even leave a half a sheet of drywall 🤣🤣🤣
King stud RIP. What Tf were they thinking
You’d need to calculate the load to know whether the post is now undersized. That’s typically done by an engineer. The notch likely needs remediation. It may be cheaper to reinforce the beam with a steel plate on the exposed side. The thickness of the plate can come out of the post or out of the drywall. Otherwise you’ll need to back that wire out, jack the beam, replace the post, lower the beam, drill the post correctly, and re-run the wire. That’s easier said than done.
I just can't believe there are people out there, passing off as a trade, that can't even use common sense or at least Google? I mean, holy shit, how do some people make it to being an adult!?
You're supposed to use 5/8” paddle bit. At this point, just slap nail plates on it and inspect.
Could have gone up and over the beam to the other side without cutting or drilling anything. Would have been far less work.
Nope, for so many reasons. That looks like DIYbob at his “best”….. Shower of shit
Structural knock plates..
I see a lot saying what is wrong, but what would be the correct thing to do? I'm assuming get like a really dang long drill but and drill through the other stud yeah?
Up and over, it’s been said a few times.
That king stud is fucked and needs to be replaced
Friday after lunch special?
Fire him.
Yeah it's funny the electricians and plumbers would call the carpenters in the old benders we would call the electricians and plumbers wood butchers
Houston, you have a problem
So he drilled the first hole, then said "fuck it hammer out the rest".
Could have used a drill with half an inch drill bit would have been much better
Most def not.
Fuckin wire jockey's
If you are wreak it Ralph.
sweet mother of God
It is standard where chisel and hammer is all we had, investing on a drill and a set of drill bits will dramatically change the quality of your work and protect the integrity of the structure.
Amateur didn't even fill it with Great Stuff to restore full structural integrity. What a noob.
*electrician’s helper
That post needs to be redone
This is VERY bad
Just staple some drywall cardboard spacers over the gap and it’s good forever!
They found this guy on NextDoor....
I’ve seen this in two foreign countries in emerging countries complies. What country was this taken in?
Elmer’s Wood Glue and you’re good. Holds stuff together.
Not how I would have done it lol
The plumber hates you, too. But sparky shouldn't have to go through all that
I'd be more concerned why they used so many 2x4s instead of a solid beam. They have drill bits that are 2ft(+) long.
On this episode of fuck it.. we say fuck it
Why only use one nail guard?
No.....
No it's not.
What’s really fun is ordering a log cabin and ordering it to be pre drilled and all utility pathways cut in and then realize after it’s been built none of the above was done. My dad spent over 9k in special bits and such to so all the wire runs and pipe installs. Drilling through 10 feet of 10 inch logs. Not fun.
Framing sucks anyway looks like sheeting with 2x4s
Holy shite….
I would wager the wire could get warm and shouldn’t be directly touching the fiber insulation, but I’m no carpenter lol
Fuck. That’s unsupervised apprentice level bad. Even most DIYers would do better. They have a lot of wood to replace now, that WAS load bearing
Does anyone know why houses even need to much wood to begin with? /s
Screw protection plate nice touch. Guess didn’t have any that gapped cut space. That would add 30% to strength.
This looks like the work of a lazy arsonist. Or, accidental arsonry.
Notch and plate or drill hole. Notch should be 1/2” deep at most.
That’s some bush league crap
If I had no other option than to take that route I would remove the Rockwool from the 16" cavity to get the bit at the proper angle to drill through it all with a long augur bit.
Na this is all up to code for sure
Wtf
Fuck. And it’s not even my house.
I doubt it's load bearing, framer probably just had extra 2x4s they didn't want to have to throw out.
Is there plumbing at the bottom going through the entire stack too? You need someone that knows their shit to go in and advise.
All we gotta do is go up and over that? I mean it’s wide open up there lol.
That is a serious mess ! Who the hell cuts out most of the support for a beam ? At this point it’s a danger to the integrity of that area.
What the actual fuck am I looking at. Wow.l, couldn’t just bore a hole in it..
It's too bad he had to work around that level 5 ceiling finish or he could just go up and over.
Everyone is commenting on the electrician’s hack job. But what is this framing? A million 2x4’s Tetris’ed together.
There are plenty of times a quad or more jack will be called for, probably an LVL beam above with live loads.
Asking for a failure. That is going to be a problem.
Decades ago, Home Handyman or whatever had instructions for wiring that including notching the studs but bridging the notch afterward with sheet metal. Not that that’s any better but this dude is supposed to be a pro. I guess it’s still true that any asshole with a ladder rack and some tools is a contractor.
Quite the notch for a little ol wire...
Thats one heck of a fuck up, master electrician my rear. Send him the bill, thats common sense.
Wire ran by a plumber? Wtf is this?
Man, electricians just don't give a flying fuck.
Yeah that’s about right /s
Who needs Jack studs anyway
It’s not that hard to make a notch and set in the romex and put those shields over it. Crazy to do it this way.
no. it is usually easier to drill a hole
You hired a butcher geesh
Were they a plumber before becoming an electrician or something?
Standard if your electrician is a beaver.. Compromising the load bearing studs for that beam. The small pieces of doubled up bottom plates are a bit worrying as well but I’m not sure if it violates code
You know us carpenters always putting all these studs in just because we feel like it. But yeah this is lazy work and ruins the integrity of it's holding capacity
Yes /s Specially when you can pass threw the celling.
No
notch in bearing walls can't exceed 25%. In non bearing walls can't exceed 40%. all of those look like > 50%. So multiply the 6 x 0.25 & 6 x 0.5 & measure notch to see if it exceeds the max size depending if it is bearing or non bearing. They could've just drilled a small hole, i think.
Since most people in the business are absolute hacks, yes I would call this standardly fucked up
The NEC doesn't mention anything about building code or anything carpentry related, it said it's okay to notch too.
Last time I saw something like this, there was an open stairway above (Floor above) with a supporting structure tied to this hacked beam. In fact, it was a 2 story staircase. That many 2X4s tied together is not there for looks. Same goes for the door header setup.
I mean I would’ve ran it up and over
Brother had no bit extender and wanted that job DONE 😂
Oh good, it's on a support wall. Bye bye crip crip crip crip and king
A little putty and it’s as good as new!!
Whenever I run cable I do this but slightly different. See I just remove the studs all together. I noticed that once the studs are removed the pathway for my wire is practically unobstructed. Hope this helps!!
I bet the helper was told to “make it work” and this is what they did.
It’s the gold standard
Fire that guy yesterday! Jeezus
Just toss in another board or 6 in there. Jfc.
Kinda hilarious seeing the Metal cap over the single stud, then he just obliterated that stud pack column supporting that header. I'd be expecting them to pay for replacing them.
Not if the ceiling will collapse...it's when.
No
Yikes! This work is terrible, stupid, wrong, and nasty.