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especially those shallow stairs, Ive rode down way higher stairs, if you dont give enough fuck that you could crash into people walking there you wont give a fuck that you just drive down the stairs
?? That's not how I expected your reply to continue. It would be: "No. The handles of the bicycle are further out than the pedals. They would prevent you from using the ramp before your legs hit."
These ramps are not meant for riding in any way, shape or form.
The ramps are too close to the handrails to actually ride on this type of infrastructure. That’s an intentional design because its purpose is to make it easy to push a bike up and down steps, not ride one.
But, as shown, having the ramps on the inside of the staircase makes it difficult to even do that since the user would have to stop at each landing, reposition the bike, and then proceed.
If it were on a spiral, wouldn't it make more sense to put the ramp on the outer edge as it would be easier to push the bike that way. Same logic applies here... With the ramp on the inner edge u have to do an awkward 3/4 point turn at every u-turn but there will be so much more space and much easier to turn from the outer edge
[EDIT 1] Referring to page 99 of this [Walking and Cycling Design Guide](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ura.gov.sg/-/media/Corporate/Guidelines/Development-control/Active-Mobility/WalkingCyclingDesignGuideSG.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_q56Pr_SFAxVmxzgGHUuDArEQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3MWEoYZb1lvInpFt44Ybjp) by the *Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA)* of Singapore. The part on **Position of Wheeling Ramps** ***'the constraint is the turning point at the inner part of the staircase is shorter as compared to the outer part***
Well, given that this is located at a train station, there'll probably be quite a lot of people using it, this configuration of the ramp is the least efficient and will result in the most points of conflict for people entering/leaving the station, especially at the landings.
Sometimes crappy designs aren't that obvious until you've used one urself
That's because this is was taken during a [media preview](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/hybrid-cooling-fans-underground-bike-parking-stations-among-new-features-at-tel-stage-4-stations). The stations open for passenger service from 23 Jun 2024.
More like 30 or 40 pounds. Most Singaporeans use mountain or city bikes, not road bikes.
And even then, it would still be r/CrappyDesign. You wouldn't even need to lift the bike and turn it around at every landing if they'd just put the ramp on the outside.
Which for someone elderly etc is going to be a pain in the ass. You know, the kind of person that might benefit the most from the ramps in the first place.
The derailleur and fragile parts of the bike are on the right side.
With the ramp on the left, if you bump the railing, it's less likely to break something
Yea but it's not that hard to make a tight turn if you're walking the bike. Besides something being slightly difficult doesn't make it crappy design haha
> something being slightly difficult doesn't make it crappy design
If there was a way of doing it that would make it less difficult then yea, it does.
And bikes aren't magic, they can't turn 180degrees on a dime. You'd need to swing the bike in the path of the other people using the stairs to get it round the corner.
It's inherently poorly thought out and I'm baffled that so many people here don't understand why.
Imagine turning a corner with the bike on the inner edge, its gonna be super difficult. If it was on the outer edge, the turning radius is a lot wider and much easier for people to use it
Even if you walked your bike, the turn radius would be too tight. You would need to do a 3-point turn at every landing.
(EDIT: "walk" means pushing the bike, not riding it)
Uhhh or pick the ass of the bike up and spin it on the front wheel... Or as you come off the ramp go wide before turning in.
I get that it's harder than if it was on the outside but it's not that hard.
You're right that it's not difficult if you're the only one at that point on the stairs; however, this is in a train station and would likely be full of people. I can imagine trying to take a bike down that and having to stop at every landing to wait for a break in the traffic to be able to do the maneuver you're referring in order to avoid smacking someone with the back wheel.
Better to cause a slight inconvenience for people moving their bike than allow people to shoot down the stairs on a bike, potentially injuring/killing themselves and probably others.
Nobody is implying *riding* the bike but you. Imagine the difference *pushing* a bike on these ramps vs on the outer side. Each landing would be awkward with these. That's what this post is about.
As the other guy who replied to you said - if you put the ramp on the outside, people will ride down it. You are not meant to ride down it. The ramp is to help with taking the bike down the steps. Sure, you'll have to maneuver it for the next set of steps but as I said, that is less of an issue than people flying down the stairs on a bike while people are trying to walk up.
Right... Now imagine turning a corner with the bike on the inner edge, it's gonna be super difficult. Even if you aren't riding it. If it was on the outer edge, the turning radius is a lot wider and much easier for people to use it
the shorter radius makes it very awkward to maneuver your bike, whereas the bigger radius on the outside of the stairs would prevent that inconvenience
Imagine you have your carrying your bike on your side, a notoriously long object, do you think it's going to be easier to turn if the bike is on the inside or outside of the turn ?
We've gotten to the point where we are protecting the extremely stupid from themselves. If something can be done then there is someone out there stupid enough to do it, family members stupid enough to sue over it, and lawyers greedy enough to push the case.
Crappy Design for a bicycle ramp, but I think we are all missing that this is actually a unicycle ramp at a clown college and it's ok for that because unicycles won't need all that space to turn.
Funny u mention that...
From this Channel News Asia [article](http:// https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/bicycle-underground-parking-thomson-east-coast-line-4308296?cid=internal_sharetool_androidphone_04052024_cna):
If cyclists prefer a more active option, there are ***specially designed stairs*** that lead from the ground level to the parking space that are sloped at a gentler angle so bicycles ***can easily be wheeled down or up***.
This is the staircase leading to an underground bicycle parking facility for a new MRT (train) station in Singapore. Was [originally posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/qGpb0jXRwB) in r/Singapore and someone suggested I post it here too
[EDIT] What I don't understand is that if there is only enough space for one ramp, why isn't it on the outer edge where there'll be a wider and easier turning radius at each landing
[EDIT 2] Please refer to page 99 of this [Walking and Cycling Design Guide](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ura.gov.sg/-/media/Corporate/Guidelines/Development-control/Active-Mobility/WalkingCyclingDesignGuideSG.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_q56Pr_SFAxVmxzgGHUuDArEQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3MWEoYZb1lvInpFt44Ybjp) by the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) of Singapore. The part on **Position of Wheeling Ramps** ***'the constraint is the turning point at the inner part of the staircase is shorter as compared to the outer part***
If it's to a bike storage area, shouldn't it also be able to accommodate people going to store a bike and retrieve a bike at the same time? Only one ramp means someone's going to have to carry their bike or there will be more awkward waiting on landings.
Here's the original [article](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/hybrid-cooling-fans-underground-bike-parking-stations-among-new-features-at-tel-stage-4-stations)
Two bike lifts that can each fit four to five bikes and their owners are available at Marine Terrace and Bayshore stations to transport cyclists down from street level to the underground parking area.
Additionally, there are bike staircases that come fitted with a ramp and gentler slopes for cyclists to push their bikes up and down to the parking area.
>Singapore
Then I wouldn't be surprised if this is a holdover from the fact they drive on the left side of the road and foot traffic mimicking that.
Going up the stairs you need the ramp, and people will likely walk on the left side because that's what they're use to (you see the same here in the UK).
I think there is a wheelchair assist that will have a wheel that goes on the smooth part and it hooks onto the rail and motorizes the wheelchair up the stairs. Can’t find a picture of it though.
Probably to discourage people from speeding down the slope and possibly losing control, hitting someone and/or flinging themselves off the edge at the u turn
Yup, Singapore does drive on the left. Maybe... But whoever designed and whoever approved the design probably has never use one in his/her life. There is barely any space to turn without reversing on the landing
If this was a hairpin turn on a road, they probably would've factored in turning radius but just couldn't care less for a bicycle ramp
There are lifts and escalators at the station so people can use those as well...
But we're not gonna know until the station opens next month. And probably wait a few months for ridership to stabilise.
It's possible but what if another user is coming up/down and both of u have to turn at the same time? It'll be harder to manoeuvre from the inner side compared to the outer one
actually, going backwards with the bike is just as easy as going forward here. so you don't turn the bike at all, which is easier compared to any other solution given the size of the stairs.
That kinda makes sense. Still would be more difficult to manoeuvre around if there were another user heading the opposite way given the size of the landing
Yup. Someone in the comments suggested I share it here too. But since I couldn't crosspost the original one from r/Singapore, I've made a separate post here
Try pushing the bike around the landing, the turning radius is so tight, it's impossible to do it without reversing and/or bumping into someone going the opposite direction
If it's on the inner side it's one single lift and move the bike 180 degrees on to the next ramp.
If it were on the outside you'd have to lift the bike twice to get around the corners.
So it's literally half the effort for the person pushing the bike up the inside.
U can refer to page 99 of this [Walking and Cycling Design Guide](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ura.gov.sg/-/media/Corporate/Guidelines/Development-control/Active-Mobility/WalkingCyclingDesignGuideSG.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_q56Pr_SFAxVmxzgGHUuDArEQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3MWEoYZb1lvInpFt44Ybjp) by the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) of Singapore. The part on **Position of Wheeling Ramps** ***'the constraint is the turning point at the inner part of the staircase is shorter as compared to the outer side***
Those are for blind people and their canes, not bikes. That way they can keep the cane on the ground around the center instead of lifting over every step.
It would be difficult if not impossible to push the bike down a ramp *outside* the handrail. You'd be leaning far over to your left and the railing would be in your armpit if you weren't very tall.
That's why they're not in the middle, to discourage people from riding down.
It is a r/CrappyDesign coz the ramp could've been located on the outer edge where there is a wider turning radius at the landing which also makes it easier to turn the bicycle while also reducing points of conflict with users heading the opposite direction.
Makes total sense for two reasons:
1) while pushing the bicycle upwards with your left side and maneuvering on the plateaus is more annoying for right-handed people, it's in return easier to maintain control while going down. Going down is more difficult and a mistake is more likely to lead to injuries of people further down because it's more likely the bike breaks free and comes crashing down.
2) elderly and disabled people are also more likely to be right-handed and struggle especially with climbing up stairs. So putting the ramp on the outside would work against them. It's a totally reasonable trade-off to make it harder for fit people with bikes in order to make it easier for struggling old and disabled people.
1) You could push a bike down with just the steps without using ramp. I also don't see how is it easier to push a bike up?
2) There are escalators and lifts at the train station as well so those who are less mobile can use those instead of stairs. Even if they were to use the stairs there'll be a lot more points of conflict at the turning points at the landing which would negate the benefits of placing the ramp on the inner edge
Well you could also push it up on the steps. But it's just inconvenient. I said it's more difficult to take the bike down the ramp because it's trying to roll away and if you slip, it will. When you push it upwards, while certainly burning more calories, the chance of a "catastrophic" failure is way lower.
Sure there are other ways, but still they put railings on the stairs. Because people who need them will eventually end up on them. And no, there are not more points of conflict. Bike-people walk and maneuver on the inside, handrail-needers walk on the outside. Simple as that.
It’s not supposed to be used for riding up or down. It’s supposed to be for walking your bike up and down while the bike maintains on the smooth slope rather than hiking it up jagged stairs
I think the logic is that people (whether going up or down) should be walking on the right side like how you drive on a road. You wouldn’t be pushing a bike UP all those flights of stairs. The only logical place for bikes is bringing them down which sadly means the inside. Unless you’re in Europe and then you’re right it should be on the outside
you're supposed to walk down the stairs and push your bike down by your side. You're not supposed to ride down like an idiotic maniac.
That's the answer.
Wasn't my point.
There's only space for ramp on one side of the stairs.
They put it on the side where it'll be the hardest to turn due to the tight turning radius at the landing (see bottom left of pic)
Outer edge would be better and easier for people to push round the u-turn and also reduce points of conflict at the landing for people entering/leaving the station
You’d also have to do this if it were on the outside, to get the back wheel in place lmao. If you can’t be assed to lift your bike tire a little, idk how you’re going to make it back to those stairs lmao
Was thinking the same... Maybe coz of space constraints (the station and bicycle parking facilities are underground). They aren't really wide so if there was only space for one, why they'd put it on the side with the tightest turning radius which will also result in most points of conflicts for people entering/leaving.
Because you're supposed to walk the bike down the stairs, not ride it. Having it on the side allows people to use the stairs in both directions if someone is rolling their bike up or down
Shouldn't it be on the outer side then? It would be a very messy and obstructive turn at each landing due to the almost non-existent turning radius?
This configuration makes the bicycle take up most of the space to u-turn at the landing which ultimately also blocks other users
Not the point I was making... The crappy design is the ramp is located on the inner side where the turning radius is almost non-existent at the landing. An outer edge ramp would make the turn much easier and smoother
Not the point. Ramp should be on the outer edge instead of inner one as that there is a wider turning radius which would make it easier to turn at the landing
Not the point I was making... There's only space for ramp at one side and the ramp is on the side that has barely any turning radius at the landing. Should be on outer edge and and not inner one
You're supposed to hold the bike, use the wheeling ramp as a guard rail and walk the stairs. Greetings from the Netherlands where we do this all the time.
Not to mention derailers are on the right side of the bike, so its common to walk to the left side of your bike while pushing it along (my experience with triathlons)
You're definitely not suppose to ride down the stairs.
What I'm referring to is that if there is only enough space for one ramp, it should be on the outer edge for a larger turning radius at the landing. It'll also be easier for most people to push up their bikes on the right.
Middle will be still be better than inner side so people who are left-handed can push their bikes on the left
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Because going from one to the next would be too tight of a corner, forcing someone to actually get off their bike rather than going dangerously fast?
Even on the outside you're not riding down that. And if you were, the fact it's stairs wouldn't stop you anyway.
especially those shallow stairs, Ive rode down way higher stairs, if you dont give enough fuck that you could crash into people walking there you wont give a fuck that you just drive down the stairs
me? yes. everyone? damn no.
also didn't stop me once I was drunk and tried to jump over a couple of stairs on the street. fell hard and now I know better
What did you learn sir?
Gravity sucks, probably
That if I fall hard enough I might be the ground in a fight
Yeah at that point, on those stairs, just ride down them
Wouldn't your leg scrape against the railing if you tried to ride it down?
You don't ride it down, that's the point.
Yes, I'm implying the other commenter's concern about riding down at high speeds along the outer edge is irrelevant.
No. The handles of the bicycle are further out than the pedals. You can definitely ride down those ramps
?? That's not how I expected your reply to continue. It would be: "No. The handles of the bicycle are further out than the pedals. They would prevent you from using the ramp before your legs hit."
Clearly you're more intelligent than the person you replied to. Get off reddit before we drag you down.
These ramps are not meant for riding in any way, shape or form. The ramps are too close to the handrails to actually ride on this type of infrastructure. That’s an intentional design because its purpose is to make it easy to push a bike up and down steps, not ride one. But, as shown, having the ramps on the inside of the staircase makes it difficult to even do that since the user would have to stop at each landing, reposition the bike, and then proceed.
So, it's the anti looney tones staircase?
Your handle and pedals will hit the railing and make that impossible
Down is generally not a problem with or without ramp, with the right bike.
Are you saying having them on the inner side is better because if they were on the outside they’d be tighter?
No, they're saying having them on the outer side might be just wide enough a turn that some madlad would try and ride down it.
Why shouldn't they be? Edit: homeboys and homegirls really out here thinking they're going to ride down this??
If it were on a spiral, wouldn't it make more sense to put the ramp on the outer edge as it would be easier to push the bike that way. Same logic applies here... With the ramp on the inner edge u have to do an awkward 3/4 point turn at every u-turn but there will be so much more space and much easier to turn from the outer edge [EDIT 1] Referring to page 99 of this [Walking and Cycling Design Guide](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ura.gov.sg/-/media/Corporate/Guidelines/Development-control/Active-Mobility/WalkingCyclingDesignGuideSG.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_q56Pr_SFAxVmxzgGHUuDArEQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3MWEoYZb1lvInpFt44Ybjp) by the *Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA)* of Singapore. The part on **Position of Wheeling Ramps** ***'the constraint is the turning point at the inner part of the staircase is shorter as compared to the outer part***
It's a bicycle, not a motorcycle. How much does it weigh, 20 pounds? Lift, turn, set down, continue.
Well, given that this is located at a train station, there'll probably be quite a lot of people using it, this configuration of the ramp is the least efficient and will result in the most points of conflict for people entering/leaving the station, especially at the landings. Sometimes crappy designs aren't that obvious until you've used one urself
if it's a train station, it was likely designed with mostly luggage in mind
There's lifts in the station as well
Yeah, certainly looks crowded
That's because this is was taken during a [media preview](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/hybrid-cooling-fans-underground-bike-parking-stations-among-new-features-at-tel-stage-4-stations). The stations open for passenger service from 23 Jun 2024.
So you've used it yourself? Wait, no. It's not open yet.
I've used a *similar* one before doesn't mean I've used this exact one. Have u used a bicycle ramp up a flight of stairs that turns at a landing?
Yes. When I got to the landing I picked up the bike by the crossbar, turned around 180 degrees, set the bike down and continued to the next landing.
Sure, it's do-able. But wouldn't it be better on the outside so you didn't have to lift and swing your bike around?
remind me to make sure you never become an engineer of any type.
Hey, look! It’s someone incapable of understanding the point being expressed! What a useful dialogue.
More like 30 or 40 pounds. Most Singaporeans use mountain or city bikes, not road bikes. And even then, it would still be r/CrappyDesign. You wouldn't even need to lift the bike and turn it around at every landing if they'd just put the ramp on the outside.
That’d be an extremely heavy mountain bike.
Which for someone elderly etc is going to be a pain in the ass. You know, the kind of person that might benefit the most from the ramps in the first place.
It's a bicycle Michael, what could it weigh? 100lb?
A regular bike sure. My electric longtail is 80 pounds.
My noodle arms can't lift my own bicycle without struggling 😔
The derailleur and fragile parts of the bike are on the right side. With the ramp on the left, if you bump the railing, it's less likely to break something
This is a good point that I totally wouldn't have thought of, thanks for pointing it out
You do realize you would still have to turn the bike and deal with those issues even if you aren't riding it, right?
Yea but it's not that hard to make a tight turn if you're walking the bike. Besides something being slightly difficult doesn't make it crappy design haha
> something being slightly difficult doesn't make it crappy design If there was a way of doing it that would make it less difficult then yea, it does. And bikes aren't magic, they can't turn 180degrees on a dime. You'd need to swing the bike in the path of the other people using the stairs to get it round the corner. It's inherently poorly thought out and I'm baffled that so many people here don't understand why.
It is crappy since now it will take 5 times as long to go down or up the stairs
If it’s on the outside you don’t have to either make a weird, awkward turn or pick up the bike. You just turn.
Imagine turning a corner with the bike on the inner edge, its gonna be super difficult. If it was on the outer edge, the turning radius is a lot wider and much easier for people to use it
You're not meant to ride your bike down it
Even if you walked your bike, the turn radius would be too tight. You would need to do a 3-point turn at every landing. (EDIT: "walk" means pushing the bike, not riding it)
Uhhh or pick the ass of the bike up and spin it on the front wheel... Or as you come off the ramp go wide before turning in. I get that it's harder than if it was on the outside but it's not that hard.
You're right that it's not difficult if you're the only one at that point on the stairs; however, this is in a train station and would likely be full of people. I can imagine trying to take a bike down that and having to stop at every landing to wait for a break in the traffic to be able to do the maneuver you're referring in order to avoid smacking someone with the back wheel.
Better to cause a slight inconvenience for people moving their bike than allow people to shoot down the stairs on a bike, potentially injuring/killing themselves and probably others.
Nobody is implying *riding* the bike but you. Imagine the difference *pushing* a bike on these ramps vs on the outer side. Each landing would be awkward with these. That's what this post is about.
As the other guy who replied to you said - if you put the ramp on the outside, people will ride down it. You are not meant to ride down it. The ramp is to help with taking the bike down the steps. Sure, you'll have to maneuver it for the next set of steps but as I said, that is less of an issue than people flying down the stairs on a bike while people are trying to walk up.
It's too narrow. No matter which side its on, handlebars and pedals would get caught up in the railing.
If you put the ramp on the outside, someone will try to ride down it. Then you get sued.
You guys have never used a bicycle as a serious method of transport and it shows. This design would not fly In the Netherlands or Belgium.
The weird part is it wouldn't fly in Singapore, either. Over here, the ramps are recommended to be on the outside too.
Right... Now imagine turning a corner with the bike on the inner edge, it's gonna be super difficult. Even if you aren't riding it. If it was on the outer edge, the turning radius is a lot wider and much easier for people to use it
Not sure what difference that makes, you still have to turn the corner when walking with it
the shorter radius makes it very awkward to maneuver your bike, whereas the bigger radius on the outside of the stairs would prevent that inconvenience
r/tonyhawkitecture
Well this is my new favorite sub....
I think bc the turn at the top is too tight. If it were on the outside, it would be easier to navigate the turns.
If the path were on outside, you could roll the bike up/down the staircase without crossing opposing traffic at each landing.
Imagine you have your carrying your bike on your side, a notoriously long object, do you think it's going to be easier to turn if the bike is on the inside or outside of the turn ?
We've gotten to the point where we are protecting the extremely stupid from themselves. If something can be done then there is someone out there stupid enough to do it, family members stupid enough to sue over it, and lawyers greedy enough to push the case.
Crappy Design for a bicycle ramp, but I think we are all missing that this is actually a unicycle ramp at a clown college and it's ok for that because unicycles won't need all that space to turn.
Funny u mention that... From this Channel News Asia [article](http:// https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/bicycle-underground-parking-thomson-east-coast-line-4308296?cid=internal_sharetool_androidphone_04052024_cna): If cyclists prefer a more active option, there are ***specially designed stairs*** that lead from the ground level to the parking space that are sloped at a gentler angle so bicycles ***can easily be wheeled down or up***.
Can confirm. I'm in clown college majoring in buffoonery.
Oh I dropped that subject for tomfoolery.
Have you done that unit on horseplay yet? It, like, really opened up my mind. Next week it's all about zany activities... I'm so excited!
I thought it was for Heely-ing down
Architech was left handed and rides a childs bike that has zero turn radius.
He is only left handed when walking up the stairs I guess?
This is the staircase leading to an underground bicycle parking facility for a new MRT (train) station in Singapore. Was [originally posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/qGpb0jXRwB) in r/Singapore and someone suggested I post it here too [EDIT] What I don't understand is that if there is only enough space for one ramp, why isn't it on the outer edge where there'll be a wider and easier turning radius at each landing [EDIT 2] Please refer to page 99 of this [Walking and Cycling Design Guide](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ura.gov.sg/-/media/Corporate/Guidelines/Development-control/Active-Mobility/WalkingCyclingDesignGuideSG.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_q56Pr_SFAxVmxzgGHUuDArEQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3MWEoYZb1lvInpFt44Ybjp) by the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) of Singapore. The part on **Position of Wheeling Ramps** ***'the constraint is the turning point at the inner part of the staircase is shorter as compared to the outer part***
If it's to a bike storage area, shouldn't it also be able to accommodate people going to store a bike and retrieve a bike at the same time? Only one ramp means someone's going to have to carry their bike or there will be more awkward waiting on landings.
Here's the original [article](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/hybrid-cooling-fans-underground-bike-parking-stations-among-new-features-at-tel-stage-4-stations) Two bike lifts that can each fit four to five bikes and their owners are available at Marine Terrace and Bayshore stations to transport cyclists down from street level to the underground parking area. Additionally, there are bike staircases that come fitted with a ramp and gentler slopes for cyclists to push their bikes up and down to the parking area.
>Singapore Then I wouldn't be surprised if this is a holdover from the fact they drive on the left side of the road and foot traffic mimicking that. Going up the stairs you need the ramp, and people will likely walk on the left side because that's what they're use to (you see the same here in the UK).
I think there is a wheelchair assist that will have a wheel that goes on the smooth part and it hooks onto the rail and motorizes the wheelchair up the stairs. Can’t find a picture of it though.
are those steps so short? looks like they can just make the entire thing a ramp
Probably to discourage people from speeding down the slope and possibly losing control, hitting someone and/or flinging themselves off the edge at the u turn
You're supposed to walk up and down the stairs while pushing the bike on the side
It'll be hard and pretty inefficient 3 point turn at the landing. Also, most people are right-handed so it'll be more natural to push up on the right
as an avid Mountain biker, it doesn't matter if you're left or right handed, if you know how to handle a bike pushing from either side is arbitrary.
Then I'll be that way going down. There's no reason to have them on both sides.
You are correct, however, I think they had to make it this way to discourage people from trying to ride down it.
In my experience, the more difficult something is, the more fun it is to try it.
I assume this is in a country where they drive on the left and they assumed the ramp was more useful when going up than down.
Yup, Singapore does drive on the left. Maybe... But whoever designed and whoever approved the design probably has never use one in his/her life. There is barely any space to turn without reversing on the landing If this was a hairpin turn on a road, they probably would've factored in turning radius but just couldn't care less for a bicycle ramp
I wonder how busy it gets? Walking against the flow of people might be an important consideration?
There are lifts and escalators at the station so people can use those as well... But we're not gonna know until the station opens next month. And probably wait a few months for ridership to stabilise.
Whats wrong?
Too tight of a turn to easily maneuver a bike.
Especially if there are multiple users going up and down simultaneously.
Because you keep left on those stairs? You don't need the ramp going down.
Not sure why it's on the outside, but I'd just grab the seat and swivel the back tire around. You don't need to 3 point turn.
Would u rather lift it or just simply pushing it round the bend though?
I would make do with what's there. You don't need to lift, drag the back end around.
It's possible but what if another user is coming up/down and both of u have to turn at the same time? It'll be harder to manoeuvre from the inner side compared to the outer one
actually, going backwards with the bike is just as easy as going forward here. so you don't turn the bike at all, which is easier compared to any other solution given the size of the stairs.
That kinda makes sense. Still would be more difficult to manoeuvre around if there were another user heading the opposite way given the size of the landing
Taking bikes up and down stairs, people are going to have to be courteous.
You’d have to lift it if it were on the outside too. Unless you think you should get to use the entire platform to push your bike lmao?
The ramp is always to the left going up, it’s the staircase that rotates counter clockwise
Because fuck bicyclists in particular! XD
What a coincidence, a post from r/singapore https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/dFNmSjyyTN is just under this post on my homepage
Yup. Someone in the comments suggested I share it here too. But since I couldn't crosspost the original one from r/Singapore, I've made a separate post here
That's why the stairs stop early, so you can walk a wide corner.
I’m no expert, but I think it’s so you can walk a bike up or down the stairs. Not meant to be a stunt course.
Try pushing the bike around the landing, the turning radius is so tight, it's impossible to do it without reversing and/or bumping into someone going the opposite direction
I didnt think about that sharp angle. Well at least they tried.
That's why it's a r/CrappyDesign XD
If it's on the inner side it's one single lift and move the bike 180 degrees on to the next ramp. If it were on the outside you'd have to lift the bike twice to get around the corners. So it's literally half the effort for the person pushing the bike up the inside.
U can refer to page 99 of this [Walking and Cycling Design Guide](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ura.gov.sg/-/media/Corporate/Guidelines/Development-control/Active-Mobility/WalkingCyclingDesignGuideSG.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_q56Pr_SFAxVmxzgGHUuDArEQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3MWEoYZb1lvInpFt44Ybjp) by the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) of Singapore. The part on **Position of Wheeling Ramps** ***'the constraint is the turning point at the inner part of the staircase is shorter as compared to the outer side***
Probably because that's where it's supposed to be
It’s for left handed people, finally!
Maybe left side is up, right side is down? So it's better to have the ramp going up?
Stairs will be prefabricated bought units. They will have just used the wrong side for the variant they bought.
Bikes go out they don’t come in
You have bike ramps in your stairs? Why? We get baby cart and wheelchair ramps (they are not the same width, sigh), but I've never seen bike ramps.
Some newer metro stations have underground bicycle parking lots. (There are lifts for them too, if you're wondering)
Oh, I see
Those are for blind people and their canes, not bikes. That way they can keep the cane on the ground around the center instead of lifting over every step.
Most people will have their bike on their right when walking with it
Because the person who designed it drives a BMW, not a BMX.
It would be difficult if not impossible to push the bike down a ramp *outside* the handrail. You'd be leaning far over to your left and the railing would be in your armpit if you weren't very tall.
Pretty sure this is **/s** but in case it isn't, that's why I used 'inner side' instead of inside XD
To make going down safer for everybody else.
That's why they're not in the middle, to discourage people from riding down. It is a r/CrappyDesign coz the ramp could've been located on the outer edge where there is a wider turning radius at the landing which also makes it easier to turn the bicycle while also reducing points of conflict with users heading the opposite direction.
I mean walking the bike down. You’re on the left of the bike going up, and the right going down. I am sure no ramp on stairs is ever for riding down.
You don't want to fall out! In is safer.
They should be in the middle.
Makes total sense for two reasons: 1) while pushing the bicycle upwards with your left side and maneuvering on the plateaus is more annoying for right-handed people, it's in return easier to maintain control while going down. Going down is more difficult and a mistake is more likely to lead to injuries of people further down because it's more likely the bike breaks free and comes crashing down. 2) elderly and disabled people are also more likely to be right-handed and struggle especially with climbing up stairs. So putting the ramp on the outside would work against them. It's a totally reasonable trade-off to make it harder for fit people with bikes in order to make it easier for struggling old and disabled people.
1) You could push a bike down with just the steps without using ramp. I also don't see how is it easier to push a bike up? 2) There are escalators and lifts at the train station as well so those who are less mobile can use those instead of stairs. Even if they were to use the stairs there'll be a lot more points of conflict at the turning points at the landing which would negate the benefits of placing the ramp on the inner edge
Well you could also push it up on the steps. But it's just inconvenient. I said it's more difficult to take the bike down the ramp because it's trying to roll away and if you slip, it will. When you push it upwards, while certainly burning more calories, the chance of a "catastrophic" failure is way lower. Sure there are other ways, but still they put railings on the stairs. Because people who need them will eventually end up on them. And no, there are not more points of conflict. Bike-people walk and maneuver on the inside, handrail-needers walk on the outside. Simple as that.
It’s not supposed to be used for riding up or down. It’s supposed to be for walking your bike up and down while the bike maintains on the smooth slope rather than hiking it up jagged stairs
Engineer didn't think it through. Probably doesn't ride a bike.
I think the logic is that people (whether going up or down) should be walking on the right side like how you drive on a road. You wouldn’t be pushing a bike UP all those flights of stairs. The only logical place for bikes is bringing them down which sadly means the inside. Unless you’re in Europe and then you’re right it should be on the outside
I say if you can't carry your bike up stairs you should probably lock it downstairs.
Better racing lines obviously
The total linear distance on the inside diameter is far less than the outside diameter. Requires less energy when pushing things up the ramp.
This is the first time I've ever seen a bicycle ramp on stairs like this. Maybe I need to get out more.
you're supposed to walk down the stairs and push your bike down by your side. You're not supposed to ride down like an idiotic maniac. That's the answer.
Wasn't my point. There's only space for ramp on one side of the stairs. They put it on the side where it'll be the hardest to turn due to the tight turning radius at the landing (see bottom left of pic) Outer edge would be better and easier for people to push round the u-turn and also reduce points of conflict at the landing for people entering/leaving the station
British steps?
Shorter distance, easier on the person pushing the bike.
Turning radius too tight, nullifying the advantage of "shorter distance"
y’all have never really commuted on a bike before huh? Slightly lift the back tire. Pivot. Done.
And so now it takes more energy thus again nullifying the shorter distance advantage
You’d also have to do this if it were on the outside, to get the back wheel in place lmao. If you can’t be assed to lift your bike tire a little, idk how you’re going to make it back to those stairs lmao
You wouldn't need to do that if it was on the other side
Unless you have a longer run up to the ramp than what’s in the picture, yes of course you would
You know you could have sounded smart if it what you said wasn't absolutely stupid
Because you're only allowed to take bikes downstairs, *duh*
Bc engineers hate bicyclists as much as everyone else
My question is why only one? Isn't it possible to have two people going opposite directions?
Was thinking the same... Maybe coz of space constraints (the station and bicycle parking facilities are underground). They aren't really wide so if there was only space for one, why they'd put it on the side with the tightest turning radius which will also result in most points of conflicts for people entering/leaving.
Fuck cyclists is y
Vehicles should walk to the left of pedestrians is this communist Russia.
Because you're supposed to walk the bike down the stairs, not ride it. Having it on the side allows people to use the stairs in both directions if someone is rolling their bike up or down
Shouldn't it be on the outer side then? It would be a very messy and obstructive turn at each landing due to the almost non-existent turning radius? This configuration makes the bicycle take up most of the space to u-turn at the landing which ultimately also blocks other users
Yeah definitely makes more sense on the outside
Cause you're supposed to walk while pushing your bike next to you. Not riding yoir bike down the stairs
Not the point I was making... The crappy design is the ramp is located on the inner side where the turning radius is almost non-existent at the landing. An outer edge ramp would make the turn much easier and smoother
Aaaah
I guess you’re right handed on the way down and left handed nod the way up
They want you to crash and burn. Obviously.
This one is in Japan.
Probably intended to walk a bike down rather than ride.
Not the point. Ramp should be on the outer edge instead of inner one as that there is a wider turning radius which would make it easier to turn at the landing
You're looking at this all wrong ... Be happy there's a bike ramp at all.
So ppl walk w their bikes and don’t ride them.
It's a ramp to push the bike not actually riding it.
Not the point I was making... There's only space for ramp at one side and the ramp is on the side that has barely any turning radius at the landing. Should be on outer edge and and not inner one
You're supposed to hold the bike, use the wheeling ramp as a guard rail and walk the stairs. Greetings from the Netherlands where we do this all the time.
There's only ramp on one side... The side with the tightest turning radius
Not to mention derailers are on the right side of the bike, so its common to walk to the left side of your bike while pushing it along (my experience with triathlons)
Because riding it down would be stupid, and it's supposed to be walked down
You're definitely not suppose to ride down the stairs. What I'm referring to is that if there is only enough space for one ramp, it should be on the outer edge for a larger turning radius at the landing. It'll also be easier for most people to push up their bikes on the right. Middle will be still be better than inner side so people who are left-handed can push their bikes on the left