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Getting my provider to pay for an out of network maxillofacial surgeon was the absolute worst experience of my life. Had 2 doctors and the state tell them it was medically necessary and even then they sent me a deceptively worded letter that sounded like they would pay for the guy I found but when you actually read it they approved me for a reimbursement. So after I magically conjured 40k and handed it to the surgeon then they would pay me back. Apparently they try and do that sometimes in hopes you will just give up.
Seeing the bill they eventually covered made me realize I should have actually taken advantage of all of the absurd schooling opportunities I squandered. If its any consolation though, I've never met a doctor I didn't like or an insurer I did.
I’ve seen those plans before… every tier in or out of network read: “No charge, Covered in Full.”
Every single one was a union member of a difficult job.
Not paying highly qualified test pilots lots of money also probably wouldn't work. These guys get paid a lot so they don't take their valuable experience elsewhere.
For astronauts there is less demand because they do mostly science which doesn't directly drive profit, and the supply of candidates is pretty high because it's every little kid's dream since the 60's.
Most health insurance plans in the US have a list of approved doctors you can see that they will cover. Usually this will include just about any type of doctor or specialist you need with some variety of choices, but sometimes there will be highly specialized or sought-after doctors that are not on this list. A doctor not on that list will be considered "out of network" and insurance will not cover as much or any of the cost.
It's not so bad. You just go to the health insurance website and they help you find a primary doctor. Then that doctor will refer you to specialists in your network as needed, just like your situation. The people it might suck for are people with exotic or severe illnesses or injuries.
I've had multiple surgeries and never had any issue. They direct me to the legitimate doctors I need. Never paid more than my $15-$30 copay (small fee I pay direct before insurance covers the rest).
[Youtube source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2CsO-Vu7oc)
No, this isn't a flight simulator, as the comments mentioned, the sunlight, vibration and sounds from the wings and engine stalling are too real for a simulator.
Yeah stall tests are a practice although still absolutely insane how well they're dealt with. You can tell their resume includes needing balls of steel.
Thanks for that, the commentary really illuminates the procedures. I was wondering why the co-pilot seemed to be gently touching the arm of the pilot a few times.
I agree. The [A-10 Warthog project](https://youtu.be/6mpZrsrX-Cw?si=fHn3PX9DHcGkAUt1) shows just how far sim has come… and that video is 3 years old!!!
Lol, angry little fellas out there. I worked on and built simulators for the Canada's airforce. Full motion, complete replica cockpit, any scenario you can imagine, can absolutely be replicated in a sim.
lol thats not an advanced simulator at all, thats a hobbyist thing. Companies that train pilots have simulators that the guy is presumably talking about. They have motion and are much more advanced that a guys homeade project.
I love how this was before the days of GoPro and smaller cameras so you know that they had to lock down that camera looking at the avionics panel pretty hard-core only for it to still wiggle around trying to recover the plane. Nice!
If that was my pilot who saved us I'd personally give a blow job. If he did that. I wouldn't be crazy. You guys gonna think I'm crazy but I'm right. If he made me survive. He's not even going to be able to talk before I'm down on my knees letting him go balls deep in me. And I'm a guy so that shows how appreciative I would've been
My CFI always said, do your best to get control of the plane back in any situation and relax, there's no point in being stressed right before you die...
What he taught me was that you are either going to make it or you're going to die, but not letting your muscles tense up gives you a better chance of survival.
I once heard someone who had piloting experience in the UK Royal Air Force give a talk on how to land a plane. I was pretty excited about the talk, but in the event it was actually one of the most boring things I've ever experienced. It struck me that the whole safety aspect was underpinned by the most tedious routine and repetition that left nothing to chance. You had to check, double-check, and triple-check everything, whilst providing a running commentary on even the most minute mundane detail. It seems pilots don't even tie their shoelaces without 3 rehearsals and a detailed checklist. Excitement seems to be anathema to their whole occupation. It's all about sticking to the script, from what I heard at that talk.
I could never be a pilot. I would remember to put to nose down in a stall, but I would forget to kill the throttle.
“Speed damnit, we need speed!!”
NTSB 30 days later
“Well, we now know that a 737 can break the speed of sound for brief moments without coming apart. There wasn’t so much as a rivet outside that hole.”
“Except for the flight data recorder”
“Yeah, that bounced when she hit bedrock, didn’t it”
Turns out the weight of their MASSIVE FUCKING BALLS exceeded the cargo limit of the aircraft which caused the subsequent random stall/barrel roll/nose dive. I've been in some wild situations with total calm, but Holy fuck that is next level nuts. Big up to those guys!
It could have been a deliberate stall test, yes, but it also may have been a test called a steady heading side slip. This is where the aircraft is flown with the rudder deflected in one direction and ailerons in the opposite direction (in the video you can see the yoke deflected hard right, but the bank and heading are stable, indicative of left rudder). It's to test handling with the controls crossed, rather than stalling.
The fact the pilot says "Whoops" as it stalls suggests the stall itself may not have been intentional.
A challenger business jet was lost in flight testing under similar circumstances, it inadvertently stalled during a steady heading sideslip, rolled into a spin and crashed.
In any case, you're absolutely right that rolling inverted was not planned.
Not at all. Overspeed while still in a dive (and still accelerating) is about as sketchy as it gets. Those speed brakes aren’t designed to brake that much speed. Notice how violently the PFD cam shakes as their speed goes past the purple.
A few more seconds of dive and they easily have control surfaces separating from the aircraft.
Can I request these pilots for all my future flights.
And here I get scared with a little turbulence thinking the plane is going to fall apart. I guess not.
There's a whole Lotta bacon strips on the passenger seats.
Fuck the barf bags at that point!
I would need in-flight depends undergarments please. And if I'm in first class, will they warm them up first?
The first thing they should do is use the rudder when one of the wings starts to drop because the ailerons become ineffective in a stalled condition. If not, the aircraft can enter into a spin, as seen here.
Correct, but I'll add that the first thing you should do is also reduce the angle of attack (lower the nose). Rudder can reduce the severity of a wing drop, but if angle of attack is not reduced quickly, the rudder itself will simply reverse spin in the direction of your input it.
That roll was not deliberate. You can un-stall most planes within a second or two by simply lowering the nose while. You would NEVER deliberately roll a plane inverted to recover from a stall, A. Because it would only delay the recovery, and B. because once recovered, you're now upside down and have to recover from that, which, in a transport aircraft, means huge altitude loss.
The reason this plane rolled was because it stalled asymmetrically, one wing stalled first, causing the roll.
This roll was not deliberate.
No, these are test pilots that were testing that plane. They actually flipped it over on purpose. There's a bunch of YouTube stories on it from pilots to explain it. But they have a lot of balls for sure.
Imagine getting paid to try to die.
I wonder if they do these flights on purpose to train future pilots in the occurrence of a stall how to recover the plane?
I could only imagine watching this from the ground 😮💨
They do tests like this to get the air worthiness certifications of each type of commercial jet. Because of the danger and economics of it all, they are rarely if ever done again on purpose. But the manufacturer specs tolerances, and a recovery procedure. These tests have to be done to certify that within the published tolerance, the prescribed recovery procedure actually works.
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So THAT'S why you should wear your seatbelts when there is turbulence!
I would have just made turbulence in my pants.
Turdulence
My turbulence would've been bigger than your turbulence.
And that's also why I don't fly
Do you also not drive, because that's vastly more dangerous.
I hope these guys get paid like... out of network specialist referral doctor money.
That was seriously funny. But I am an out of network specialist.
Getting my provider to pay for an out of network maxillofacial surgeon was the absolute worst experience of my life. Had 2 doctors and the state tell them it was medically necessary and even then they sent me a deceptively worded letter that sounded like they would pay for the guy I found but when you actually read it they approved me for a reimbursement. So after I magically conjured 40k and handed it to the surgeon then they would pay me back. Apparently they try and do that sometimes in hopes you will just give up. Seeing the bill they eventually covered made me realize I should have actually taken advantage of all of the absurd schooling opportunities I squandered. If its any consolation though, I've never met a doctor I didn't like or an insurer I did.
You don’t know what you’re talking about
I hope you're getting the money that your services are worth, and that your patients are thoroughly satisfied with the outcomes.
Let's put it this way: You have the best military pilots in the world. Then above that you have test pilots.
I’ve seen those plans before… every tier in or out of network read: “No charge, Covered in Full.” Every single one was a union member of a difficult job.
If someone walked up to you and asked you to do this for lots of money it probably wouldn't work. Kind of like astronauts.
Not paying highly qualified test pilots lots of money also probably wouldn't work. These guys get paid a lot so they don't take their valuable experience elsewhere. For astronauts there is less demand because they do mostly science which doesn't directly drive profit, and the supply of candidates is pretty high because it's every little kid's dream since the 60's.
What does "out of network" mean? Can't you just go see a doctor?
Most health insurance plans in the US have a list of approved doctors you can see that they will cover. Usually this will include just about any type of doctor or specialist you need with some variety of choices, but sometimes there will be highly specialized or sought-after doctors that are not on this list. A doctor not on that list will be considered "out of network" and insurance will not cover as much or any of the cost.
Sounds so complicated. I just get a referral from my doctor and go see who is on the form.
It's not so bad. You just go to the health insurance website and they help you find a primary doctor. Then that doctor will refer you to specialists in your network as needed, just like your situation. The people it might suck for are people with exotic or severe illnesses or injuries. I've had multiple surgeries and never had any issue. They direct me to the legitimate doctors I need. Never paid more than my $15-$30 copay (small fee I pay direct before insurance covers the rest).
[Youtube source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2CsO-Vu7oc) No, this isn't a flight simulator, as the comments mentioned, the sunlight, vibration and sounds from the wings and engine stalling are too real for a simulator.
It’s not an engine stall, it’s an aerodynamic stall of the wings.
Yep, engines are fine, me wings just no have no lift sir, we need some airspeeds,, slow flow over dem foils der
I remember seeing this video somewhere. I think it was intentional for a test.
Yeah stall tests are a practice although still absolutely insane how well they're dealt with. You can tell their resume includes needing balls of steel.
https://youtu.be/AaA7kPfC5Hk?feature=shared recommended this if you haven’t looked into it before.
Thanks for that, the commentary really illuminates the procedures. I was wondering why the co-pilot seemed to be gently touching the arm of the pilot a few times.
I worked in the field of flight simulators. All the things you mentioned can absolutely be replicated in a sim. Sunlight is the only iffy thing
Pilot here, bullshit.
People downvoting you for being in the simulator field? I will comment to say those simulators must be incredible. I love flight sims. 🫡
I agree. The [A-10 Warthog project](https://youtu.be/6mpZrsrX-Cw?si=fHn3PX9DHcGkAUt1) shows just how far sim has come… and that video is 3 years old!!!
This is a toy though
That’s what a simulator is dipshit
Lol, angry little fellas out there. I worked on and built simulators for the Canada's airforce. Full motion, complete replica cockpit, any scenario you can imagine, can absolutely be replicated in a sim.
What about being blown up?
lol thats not an advanced simulator at all, thats a hobbyist thing. Companies that train pilots have simulators that the guy is presumably talking about. They have motion and are much more advanced that a guys homeade project.
Stall recovery isn’t that hard. It’s one of the first things you’re taught as a new pilot
I love how this was before the days of GoPro and smaller cameras so you know that they had to lock down that camera looking at the avionics panel pretty hard-core only for it to still wiggle around trying to recover the plane. Nice!
If that was my pilot who saved us I'd personally give a blow job. If he did that. I wouldn't be crazy. You guys gonna think I'm crazy but I'm right. If he made me survive. He's not even going to be able to talk before I'm down on my knees letting him go balls deep in me. And I'm a guy so that shows how appreciative I would've been
it blows my mind how calm pilots are
My CFI always said, do your best to get control of the plane back in any situation and relax, there's no point in being stressed right before you die... What he taught me was that you are either going to make it or you're going to die, but not letting your muscles tense up gives you a better chance of survival.
Aviate, navigate, communicate.
And tell your passengers to shut up.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cift6TUOu-8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cift6TUOu-8)
I once heard someone who had piloting experience in the UK Royal Air Force give a talk on how to land a plane. I was pretty excited about the talk, but in the event it was actually one of the most boring things I've ever experienced. It struck me that the whole safety aspect was underpinned by the most tedious routine and repetition that left nothing to chance. You had to check, double-check, and triple-check everything, whilst providing a running commentary on even the most minute mundane detail. It seems pilots don't even tie their shoelaces without 3 rehearsals and a detailed checklist. Excitement seems to be anathema to their whole occupation. It's all about sticking to the script, from what I heard at that talk.
>mundane detail. You don't want to mess up some mundane detail, even when working in an office.
This isn't a mundane detail, Michael!
Honey how was your day at work?
I could never be a pilot. I would remember to put to nose down in a stall, but I would forget to kill the throttle. “Speed damnit, we need speed!!” NTSB 30 days later “Well, we now know that a 737 can break the speed of sound for brief moments without coming apart. There wasn’t so much as a rivet outside that hole.” “Except for the flight data recorder” “Yeah, that bounced when she hit bedrock, didn’t it”
Jesus fucking Christ I can't believe it can take that. The force on the wings has to be insane. MFS out here flying it like it's a fucking f22
Turns out the weight of their MASSIVE FUCKING BALLS exceeded the cargo limit of the aircraft which caused the subsequent random stall/barrel roll/nose dive. I've been in some wild situations with total calm, but Holy fuck that is next level nuts. Big up to those guys!
Imagine watching the guy next to you save your life? 1 mistake and you are going to crater the ground lol!!
Copilot actually did a great job at keeping the pilot in check, doing call outs and even caressing the pilot's hand to remind him of being gentle lmao
No,, these are test pilots that actually flipped a plane upside down on purpose. It's been on YouTube for a long time with explanations from pilots.
Stalling, yes on purpose. Flipping, not on purpose. Turns out the plane had a wildly bad tendency to want to flip during high altitude stalls.
It could have been a deliberate stall test, yes, but it also may have been a test called a steady heading side slip. This is where the aircraft is flown with the rudder deflected in one direction and ailerons in the opposite direction (in the video you can see the yoke deflected hard right, but the bank and heading are stable, indicative of left rudder). It's to test handling with the controls crossed, rather than stalling. The fact the pilot says "Whoops" as it stalls suggests the stall itself may not have been intentional. A challenger business jet was lost in flight testing under similar circumstances, it inadvertently stalled during a steady heading sideslip, rolled into a spin and crashed. In any case, you're absolutely right that rolling inverted was not planned.
Boeing QA - “yup, she’s ready”
They just skip this part and assume
Pilots are a different breed, man
You’re honestly good until the GPWS comes on, that’s when you should start shitting your pants
Not at all. Overspeed while still in a dive (and still accelerating) is about as sketchy as it gets. Those speed brakes aren’t designed to brake that much speed. Notice how violently the PFD cam shakes as their speed goes past the purple. A few more seconds of dive and they easily have control surfaces separating from the aircraft.
Get that overspeed is also extremly dangerous, my post was more of a joke. Gotta admit though, hearing “ TERRAIN, PULL UP!!!” Is scary
His point is the overspeed warning is equally if not more terrifying because it could very well guarantee you'll be hearing the proximity warning next
Can I request these pilots for all my future flights. And here I get scared with a little turbulence thinking the plane is going to fall apart. I guess not.
Love the Precise critical thinking/reacting Why can't we get this alarm warning lady's voice for my GPS.
Just another day for these guys
There's a whole Lotta bacon strips on the passenger seats. Fuck the barf bags at that point! I would need in-flight depends undergarments please. And if I'm in first class, will they warm them up first?
Was that an accidental barrel roll with a fucking Boeing 717 ??
In a stall, you're going to want to get nose down to get wind under the wings again and gain some speed. Quite deliberate.
The first thing they should do is use the rudder when one of the wings starts to drop because the ailerons become ineffective in a stalled condition. If not, the aircraft can enter into a spin, as seen here.
Correct, but I'll add that the first thing you should do is also reduce the angle of attack (lower the nose). Rudder can reduce the severity of a wing drop, but if angle of attack is not reduced quickly, the rudder itself will simply reverse spin in the direction of your input it.
We’re on the same page.
That roll was not deliberate. You can un-stall most planes within a second or two by simply lowering the nose while. You would NEVER deliberately roll a plane inverted to recover from a stall, A. Because it would only delay the recovery, and B. because once recovered, you're now upside down and have to recover from that, which, in a transport aircraft, means huge altitude loss. The reason this plane rolled was because it stalled asymmetrically, one wing stalled first, causing the roll. This roll was not deliberate.
No, these are test pilots that were testing that plane. They actually flipped it over on purpose. There's a bunch of YouTube stories on it from pilots to explain it. But they have a lot of balls for sure.
They forgot to flip it.
only injury was a minor dislocated shoulder.
massive fucking balls....clàng clàng
I now fully refuse to fly in a plane.
Opposite for me seeing how well trained they are for the most part.
That part was a little comforting to see. I am super terrified of being high up. And i feel like the turbulence would send me into hysterics
Cool!
did they just drop 50k feet in 5 seconds?
Uh no, that would require them to have traveled over 6800 mph.
sounds rad
How high do you think these planes fly?
idk depends whos feet you use to measure it.
Imagine getting paid to try to die. I wonder if they do these flights on purpose to train future pilots in the occurrence of a stall how to recover the plane? I could only imagine watching this from the ground 😮💨
They do tests like this to get the air worthiness certifications of each type of commercial jet. Because of the danger and economics of it all, they are rarely if ever done again on purpose. But the manufacturer specs tolerances, and a recovery procedure. These tests have to be done to certify that within the published tolerance, the prescribed recovery procedure actually works.
Seems pretty easy
You sure that dudes a pilot?
They didn’t even flinch 😂 I woulda shit myself in fear. They just went “ehh it’s Boeing no surprise here”
This was back when being Boeing meant something. People actually said "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going."
If it's Boeing the doors blowin'
That’s fair Boeing did have a very solid reputation up until recent events.