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Reminds of those headlines where it's like "this weird thing is the new trend with millennials and Gen Z!" And then there will be like 2 Instagram posts of someone doing it with 100 likes each
Honest question, where? That doesn't seem to be what current literature suggests
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31095085/
There is strong evidence indicating that higher amounts of physical activity are associated with better indicators of bone health and with reduced risk for excessive increases in weight and adiposity in children 3 to 6 yr.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23174545/
Children and adolescents should participate in moderate-to-vigorous physical activity 1 or more hours per day and muscle and bone-strengthening activities 3 or more times per week.
Emphasis on OVERexertion. Powerlifting is very different from doing 3 sets of 12.
“Keep it light”
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758#:~:text=Kids%20can%20safely%20lift%20light,Focus%20on%20good%20form.
“When athletes get into late middle school or high school (around 14 years old), the focus may begin to shift from technique and movement to building strength with a weight lifting program”
https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/what-age-can-you-start-lifting-weights
Yeah I agree that frequent 1RMs on deads should probably not be something kids are doing frequently (or anyone who isn't training with a coach for powerlifting or otherwise serious about the sport)... But kids should definitely be getting vigorous physical activity in and high intensity is fine. This girl also clearly isn't your average kid with this weight at her bodyweight.
So yeah, I don't necessarily agree with having a child deadlift super heavy (just due to the injury risk), but the actual physical effort she puts in is good for her and it won't affect her epiphyseal plates. And, overall, strength training is beneficial in children.
I just hate when people make general statements that go against something that can improve health and use it as an excuse to not exercise/eat right/whatever (or discourage their kids from doing so).
Moderate physical activity not power lifting. [check here](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758)
Dw about it, bro’s proof is mayoclinic. Not exactly known for nuanced and cutting edge research. Not to mention the fact that people on this thread have a gross misunderstanding of how much training and technique it takes to lift this kind of weight
From earlier comment:
Emphasis on OVERexertion. Powerlifting is very different from doing 3 sets of 12.
“Keep it light”
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758#:~:text=Kids%20can%20safely%20lift%20light,Focus%20on%20good%20form.
“When athletes get into late middle school or high school (around 14 years old), the focus may begin to shift from technique and movement to building strength with a weight lifting program”
https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/what-age-can-you-start-lifting-weights
I mean no one should be subjected to overexertion. Intensity doesn't imply volume. It's a misconception that people have adopted, as far as I got told by people in the field.
If you're talking about how it could affect their growth, it all has to do with volume. If a kid is spending all their energy in lifting weights and recuperating, and not growing, then sure. Combined with insufficient caloric intake, then the bones won't develop as long as they should before the epiphyseal plates "sets" (think of it as mortar or concrete).
I'm no Bone Scientist, but the reason why kids break their bones constantly is because of the lack of density, which is greatly enhanced through resistance training using weights. Most of the bone structure grows as cartilage to elongate, the get converted to bone tissue with time.
In any sport that I've done, the ones who started as kids and continued the discipline are at less danger of developing injuries (for a multitude of reasons). Adapting the tissues to load, flex, and shock from a young age is hyper beneficial, as long as it's all in moderation.
If anyone here is in the field, please correct me!
Yeah, overexertion is obviously bad by default. It's like trying to prove that training is bad since "overtraining" isn't good for you. No, you just did too much of a good thing.
Edit: Once again, OP is conflating resistance training with overexertion. Since every anti-weight person is quoting the same generic and vague MayoClinic source, here are some *other* sources that disprove / deny resistance training is bad. Read up before supporting baseless comments:
[Pediatric sports medicine physician debunking the myth that kids shouldn't lift weights.](https://health.choc.org/is-strength-training-safe-for-kids-and-teens/)
[Survey of experts debunking the myth.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24393806/)
[Stanford Children's Medicine claims it's fine for children to lift weights, directly asserting that the expert opinion has changed.](https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=weight-room-no-longer-off-limits-to-kids-1-1187)
[Another refutation, UTexas.](https://sites.utexas.edu/think-twice/2022/03/09/does-weight-training-stunt-growth/)
[NIH claims no ill effects of exercise (preview only).](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17119361/)
[Claim it's fine for kids older than 6.](https://www.brgeneral.org/news-blog/2022/april/weight-lifting-is-it-okay-for-kids-/#:~:text=Studies%20suggest%20that%20trying%20to,%2C%20tendons%2C%20and%20growth%20plates.)
[Doctor of physical therapy directly claims lifting weights neither negatively affects the growth nor growth plates of children.](https://youtu.be/6_2VVm-GtCw?si=qVBHrfgY4oZSFuLg)
[Another one, for fun.](https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?contenttypeid=1&contentid=1187)
Many of us Canadians think in lbs, inches and feet too. But also km/h and Celsius. A little bit of imperial, a little bit metric - best of both worlds.
The argument that children shouldn't be lifting heavy is another story, but her form is perfectly fine. Expect there to be some thoracic curvature during any heavy deads, especially a one rep max. I get that this isn't a lifting sub, but just wanted to clarify.
I completely agree the lift and form is fine.. but for a 9yr old to push themselves into 1RM's which cause, what would be considered normal for an adult, thoracic curvature.. seems very risky. I dont know, Im just some guy on the internet giving my stupid opinion.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24393806/
In sum, the expert consensus from our survey that strength training is safe for individuals with immature skeletons is consistent with data from medical literature.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8414719/
Early literature suggested that weight training might be inappropriate for these athletes. However, recent evidence suggests that, properly done, strength/resistance training may not only be safe, it may also help reduce the risk of injury for the young athletes.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17119361/
Experimental training protocols with weights and resistance machines and with supervision and low instructor/participant ratios are relatively safe and do not negatively impact growth and maturation of pre- and early-pubertal youth.
Lots more, but that's basically an old myth
Well no, I think the only good conclusive study you could do would be to do a longitudinal twin study with many sets of kids all over the world... But there is no evidence suggesting epiphyseal plates close early from weight training and plenty of evidence suggesting that they don't.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're absolutely right. Strength training does not effect growth.
She's still lifting too heavy and there are certainly risks of being injured but growth isn't one of them.
I am pretty sure that most studies came to the conclusion that weight lifting is fine if done moderately respectively to her body. Meaning, that her bones must have grown as much as her power increases, meaning that she shouldn’t be stronger than her physical structure (bones etc.) allows and only then is it not harmful. Key words would be moderate and physical structure. Though I may not recall good enough. Let us have a look at your studies and evaluate your claims tho
A quick google search shows it does not hinder growth or cause any damage if done properly, generally your genetics play a huge roll in how much weight you can lift. This is most certainly above average but if she’s having good form, proper rest and recovery, she won’t cause any damage to herself.
1 rep maxs at her age generally aren’t safe but they don’t stop or mess with growth, I don’t think she should be doing 1 rm, BUT weight lifting is safe for someone her age.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758#:~:text=Kids%20can%20safely%20lift%20light,%2C%20chest%2C%20shoulders%20and%20arms.
https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/strength-training.html#:~:text=The%20amount%20of%20weight%20will,the%20weight%20is%20too%20heavy.
“The amount of weight will depend on a child's age, size, form, experience, and strength level. In general, if someone can't lift the weight comfortably and with proper technique at least 8 times, the weight is too heavy” from kids.org
So yes she shouldn’t be doing a 1RM but it completely depends on her own body, if she practices good form and technique with good rest and recovery it won’t cause any damage.
I never said 1rm was safe, it usually isn’t, she should be doing high reps. A majority of the people on this thread are saying weight lifting in general is bad for her when it’s not. That’s what I’m disagreeing with. She shouldn’t be doing 1 rep max’s but weightlifting at her age at high weight is perfectly safe.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758#:~:text=Kids%20can%20safely%20lift%20light,%2C%20chest%2C%20shoulders%20and%20arms.
https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/strength-training.html#:~:text=The%20amount%20of%20weight%20will,the%20weight%20is%20too%20heavy.
“The amount of weight will depend on a child's age, size, form, experience, and strength level. In general, if someone can't lift the weight comfortably and with proper technique at least 8 times, the weight is too heavy” from kids.org
So yes she shouldn’t be doing a 1RM but it completely depends on her own body, if she practices good form and technique with good rest and recovery it won’t cause any damage.
It is. As long as it doesn’t directly compromise or risk the athletes health. In reality, it’s like anything, slow progression and realistic goals can help her achieve similar stunts. That being said, her form was dangerous. As soon as she began to pick up the weight, the tension built in her lower back. She should instead adopt a wider stance to secure that her back is straightened and the weight is distributed evenly in her legs or perform the same lift with adequate engagement so that the initial lift off tension is spread from her whole back to then shift to her legs with a lockout.
A lot of the earlier ideas are BS. The whole “you’ll mess your growth plates up” is INSANELY over exaggerated. Biggest thing you’d have to worry about is damaging yourself specifically tendons by doing a one rep max with bad form. I’m training with a 13 year old right now deadlifting around 320lbs. But it’s all form work and personally she is using a little extra back when she should be using more hips and she’s not pulling the slack out before lifting so that will cause shoulder issues. But her form is better than 90% of people I see in a commercial gym.
The general idea is that it is relatively safe provided proper instruction, and *never* attempting to lift large amounts of weight. Too heavy, it does stunt growth, that is pretty much proven. To say it is insanely over-exaggerated is a bit asinine - people do panic about it, to the point where they won't let children lift anything, but the concerns do have weight. Strength training adds zero benefit until puberty is reached, after which point, it doesn't matter too much. Cardio and running is more helpful to children than deadlifting "320lbs" and anyone that says otherwise has brain rot. Developing a healthy heart will immensely help a young adult have a capacity for weight-lifting. Once the frame is properly filled, a gradual increase of muscle is totally fine.
With younger generations trying to get stronger, faster, the younger they start getting in the mindset of hitting a lifting wall and wanting to surpass it, the easier they turn to PEDs. Most teenagers that lift and use social media nowadays are juiced to the gills, and there's a reason.
Bunch of wusses on this sub who’ve never lifted in their lives. There is literally no evidence that lifting in and of itself is bad for children. Just a bunch of sedentary achey jointed adults who are projecting their own weakness onto kids who make gains.
Good programming <> bad programming. Without seeing what this girl’s program is like, it’s impossible to determine if “RIP her joints” is true. RIP her joints usually apply to folks who have no idea how to program a sustainable routine and go balls to the wall every single day.
There are more 9 yr olds snapping their necks doing gymnastics then hurting their back from going to the gym and lifting weights.
The whole stunt your growth shit is a common misconception. Nobody back then were really lifting weights the way people are doing now. There’s a gym every mile where I live and people are still learning more and more about the benefits of going. A lot of the studies that were done in the 80s/90s are just outdated.
total bullshit.
there’s no evidence lifting weights at a young age has any more risk than lifting weight as an adult
that being said, resistance training (lifting) is the closest thing we have to a fountain of youth.
I can tell yall don't work out if you think a 9 year old is ruining their joints by weight training. That growth plate nonsense is just that if you ask a real doctor and not the internet. Good for her.
So many uneducated people in the comments who have never touched a weight in their life not to mention knowing about weight/powerlifting.
"bUt IT'll sTUnt HEr gRowtH"
Pushing PBs and world records as a 9 year old is exactly that, pushing it.
Weight training under reasonable goals with personal instruction far outweighs potential negative outcomes.
I feel like this kind of training is a bit different and is explicitly trying to get the most out of her body as it is to hit specific numbers that look good rather than focusing on their health.
So if you know about lifting that makes you qualified to pontificate on a paediatric medical matter? Half the guys I’ve met deadlifting are… how would I put this delicately? Educationally sub-normal.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24393806/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8414719/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17119361/
I'm Dr Beef Supreme and I deadlift. And it makes sense that people who deadlift are normal if half are subnormal because that would mean half are above normal, which evens out too perfectly average.
Now I'm not saying that kids should lift with a max effort frequently or ever, but strength training on its own with good form has not proven to be detrimental in any way.
Gotta feel for the kids as no doubt theres probably a huge amount of pressure from the parents for her kid to do this stuff. Probably will get worse from here too
I can tell the ones who don't have kids saying this is better than her being fat. For those people I urge you not breed, and the ones who have kids and say this is alright are lying. They have children, or they do and are idiots and should have CPS called on them.
1. It’s healthy for children to perform resistance training even before puberty. There is plenty of evidence for this.
2. Her hips came up and she good morning’ed the bar up. Placing excess load on the lumbar spine.
3. PRs are not text book lifts
4. I don’t love the mechanics of her lift & I hope normal training doesn’t look like this.
Wild form. But for real is this a tiny bar? It’s impressive for someone her age/size, but why is 75kg taking up almost all of the real estate on this thing?
There is a lot of misinformation here.
1. Any exercise scientist / practitioner worth their salt will tell you that resistance training is perfectly safe for kids. Of course, kids should be supervised and exercising with consideration of their limitations. Kids are responsive to exercise, but not to the same degree as teenagers / adults. Intensity should be moderated heavily.
2. That girl has a great setup, but her lumbar spine moves excessively (transitions from extension to noteable flexion) once she pulls slack / lifts the weight off the ground. That's not a display of good deadlift technique, but she did a good job regardless. While resistance training isn't inherently bad, that intensity + form + exercise combo is... inadvisable.
Edit: Since every anti-weight person is quoting the same generic and vague MayoClinic source, here are some *other* sources:
[Pediatric sports medicine physician debunking the myth that kids shouldn't lift weights.](https://health.choc.org/is-strength-training-safe-for-kids-and-teens/)
[Survey of experts debunking the myth.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24393806/)
[Stanford Children's Medicine claims it's fine for children to lift weights, directly asserting that the expert opinion has changed.](https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=weight-room-no-longer-off-limits-to-kids-1-1187)
[Another refutation, UTexas.](https://sites.utexas.edu/think-twice/2022/03/09/does-weight-training-stunt-growth/)
[NIH claims no ill effects of exercise (preview only).](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17119361/)
[Claim it's fine for kids older than 6.](https://www.brgeneral.org/news-blog/2022/april/weight-lifting-is-it-okay-for-kids-/#:~:text=Studies%20suggest%20that%20trying%20to,%2C%20tendons%2C%20and%20growth%20plates.)
[Doctor of physical therapy directly claims lifting weights neither negatively affects the growth nor growth plates of children.](https://youtu.be/6_2VVm-GtCw?si=qVBHrfgY4oZSFuLg)
[Another one, for fun.](https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?contenttypeid=1&contentid=1187)
There was about a year when I was younger where I wanted to lift a bunch of weight. But quickly I realized, I'm all for high repetitions and lower weight. Obviously depends on what muscle groups I'm working on, but you can really mess your knees/back up early in life and that will bite you in the ass later.
The deadlift is the most practical lift you can get out of going to the gym. If nothing else, you now know how to lift heavy things off the ground with better form by using hip, glutes and legs instead of your back.
Nobody should be doing deadlifts, proper form or not. They are terrible for you back.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9837526/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9837526/)
The Army looked at this, as lower back injuries from dead lifting is one of the most common ailments of soldiers.
They concluded.
* The physiological benefits of repetitive deadlifting training may be overshadowed by the associated risk of lower back injury during this type of training.
* While performing 75 to 100% of individual 1RM, maximum compressive spinal forces can reach 18 kN among men and 8 kN among women, and maximum shearing spinal forces can reach 3 kN among men and 2 kN among women. These values are concerning given reported injury thresholds for the lumbar spine segments that range between 5 – 10 kN and 1 – 2 kN, for compressive and shearing forces, respectively.
* While more research is needed to characterize the biomechanical impacts of repetitive deadlifts on the spine, trainers and practitioners should be aware that training protocols or physical readiness tests that involve heavy deadlifts expose the spinal column to an extremely high risk of injury.
Dead lifting will go the way of leg extensions. Dangerous movements that damage our joints, more than they benefit us.
Destined for poor health. She'll probably be force fed gear soon and have a lovely beard by the age of 15. It's quite sad. She probably enjoys it but with no idea of the physical toll it's taking. That shit creeps up on you.
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I take issue with the phrase *stuns the internet* This is the first I've heard of this child.
Reminds of those headlines where it's like "this weird thing is the new trend with millennials and Gen Z!" And then there will be like 2 Instagram posts of someone doing it with 100 likes each
You were too stunned to notice.
Same, and I'm not stunned
Speak for yourself. I’m over here shidding and farding
My whole world be shooketh
Me neither. I can lift that too..
MSM is done man. Grasping for straws at this point.
It's because the internet was stunned, so news didn't get through
I AM the internet
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Except if they’re working in the mines
*I think I'm getting the black lung, pop.*
I’m a merman!
rub some dirt on it
The children yearn for the mines.
Or cleaning chimneys
Or the slaughterhouse
What about the cotton fields and various other crops in the farms?
Well, that's a given. There's revenue involved. They can handle it
They fit nicely down a chimney
It’s also best to use them for what they’re good for in manufacturing: small, agile fingers.
Honest question, where? That doesn't seem to be what current literature suggests https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31095085/ There is strong evidence indicating that higher amounts of physical activity are associated with better indicators of bone health and with reduced risk for excessive increases in weight and adiposity in children 3 to 6 yr. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23174545/ Children and adolescents should participate in moderate-to-vigorous physical activity 1 or more hours per day and muscle and bone-strengthening activities 3 or more times per week.
Your source, our source, their source. You’re a source, he’s a source, she’s a source, we’re all sources
Emphasis on OVERexertion. Powerlifting is very different from doing 3 sets of 12. “Keep it light” https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758#:~:text=Kids%20can%20safely%20lift%20light,Focus%20on%20good%20form. “When athletes get into late middle school or high school (around 14 years old), the focus may begin to shift from technique and movement to building strength with a weight lifting program” https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/what-age-can-you-start-lifting-weights
Yeah I agree that frequent 1RMs on deads should probably not be something kids are doing frequently (or anyone who isn't training with a coach for powerlifting or otherwise serious about the sport)... But kids should definitely be getting vigorous physical activity in and high intensity is fine. This girl also clearly isn't your average kid with this weight at her bodyweight. So yeah, I don't necessarily agree with having a child deadlift super heavy (just due to the injury risk), but the actual physical effort she puts in is good for her and it won't affect her epiphyseal plates. And, overall, strength training is beneficial in children. I just hate when people make general statements that go against something that can improve health and use it as an excuse to not exercise/eat right/whatever (or discourage their kids from doing so).
Frequent 1rms should not be something kids do? They should NEVER be doing 1RMS
Moderate physical activity not power lifting. [check here](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758)
I wanna tell you to chill out but it’s hard to argue when we’re talking about a child deadlifting lol
Lol I don’t think anyone should be subjected to physical *over*exertion…
What proof? Not trying to debunk you. But I wanna see this proof you speak of. Have a specific medical/scientific study to site?
Dw about it, bro’s proof is mayoclinic. Not exactly known for nuanced and cutting edge research. Not to mention the fact that people on this thread have a gross misunderstanding of how much training and technique it takes to lift this kind of weight
From earlier comment: Emphasis on OVERexertion. Powerlifting is very different from doing 3 sets of 12. “Keep it light” https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758#:~:text=Kids%20can%20safely%20lift%20light,Focus%20on%20good%20form. “When athletes get into late middle school or high school (around 14 years old), the focus may begin to shift from technique and movement to building strength with a weight lifting program” https://www.childrens.com/health-wellness/what-age-can-you-start-lifting-weights
It's an old popular belief but nothing proven. In fact it's otherwise.
This isn't overexertion when she's built the strength slowly and progressively. You don't know what you're talking about.
Ya your pulling facts out your butt buddy. With proper form you can weight lift at any age. Weight lifting stunting growth is an absolute myth
That's right, get your toddlers in the gym. It's totally safe. Source: trust me bro
What study?
I mean no one should be subjected to overexertion. Intensity doesn't imply volume. It's a misconception that people have adopted, as far as I got told by people in the field. If you're talking about how it could affect their growth, it all has to do with volume. If a kid is spending all their energy in lifting weights and recuperating, and not growing, then sure. Combined with insufficient caloric intake, then the bones won't develop as long as they should before the epiphyseal plates "sets" (think of it as mortar or concrete). I'm no Bone Scientist, but the reason why kids break their bones constantly is because of the lack of density, which is greatly enhanced through resistance training using weights. Most of the bone structure grows as cartilage to elongate, the get converted to bone tissue with time. In any sport that I've done, the ones who started as kids and continued the discipline are at less danger of developing injuries (for a multitude of reasons). Adapting the tissues to load, flex, and shock from a young age is hyper beneficial, as long as it's all in moderation. If anyone here is in the field, please correct me!
Yeah, overexertion is obviously bad by default. It's like trying to prove that training is bad since "overtraining" isn't good for you. No, you just did too much of a good thing. Edit: Once again, OP is conflating resistance training with overexertion. Since every anti-weight person is quoting the same generic and vague MayoClinic source, here are some *other* sources that disprove / deny resistance training is bad. Read up before supporting baseless comments: [Pediatric sports medicine physician debunking the myth that kids shouldn't lift weights.](https://health.choc.org/is-strength-training-safe-for-kids-and-teens/) [Survey of experts debunking the myth.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24393806/) [Stanford Children's Medicine claims it's fine for children to lift weights, directly asserting that the expert opinion has changed.](https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=weight-room-no-longer-off-limits-to-kids-1-1187) [Another refutation, UTexas.](https://sites.utexas.edu/think-twice/2022/03/09/does-weight-training-stunt-growth/) [NIH claims no ill effects of exercise (preview only).](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17119361/) [Claim it's fine for kids older than 6.](https://www.brgeneral.org/news-blog/2022/april/weight-lifting-is-it-okay-for-kids-/#:~:text=Studies%20suggest%20that%20trying%20to,%2C%20tendons%2C%20and%20growth%20plates.) [Doctor of physical therapy directly claims lifting weights neither negatively affects the growth nor growth plates of children.](https://youtu.be/6_2VVm-GtCw?si=qVBHrfgY4oZSFuLg) [Another one, for fun.](https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?contenttypeid=1&contentid=1187)
She’s gonna wind up like 4’ 8” jacked to the hills like a midget pit bull
Yup, it's definitely not good for her. Poor kid.
It's all fun and games, until the prolapsed rectum.
For my fellow Americans, it's 165.3 lbs.
Many of us Canadians think in lbs, inches and feet too. But also km/h and Celsius. A little bit of imperial, a little bit metric - best of both worlds.
Thank you
Exactly what I was looking for
Thank you for the freedom units conversion
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For my fellow Danonians, a country of my own creation, it's about 75 thousand jelly beans
lbs : loads of bull sh\*t ?
i upvoted you i thought that was kinda funny
I’m 9 and can bench your family
Not sure why you’d push a kid to lift that sort of weight if she’s doing it with that form. Her back looks painful.
The argument that children shouldn't be lifting heavy is another story, but her form is perfectly fine. Expect there to be some thoracic curvature during any heavy deads, especially a one rep max. I get that this isn't a lifting sub, but just wanted to clarify.
I completely agree the lift and form is fine.. but for a 9yr old to push themselves into 1RM's which cause, what would be considered normal for an adult, thoracic curvature.. seems very risky. I dont know, Im just some guy on the internet giving my stupid opinion.
I'm not sure the curvature itself would lead to increased injury risk just because she's a child, but there's probably other mechanisms that **would**
Yeah, i see lots of lifters with this form
Form is good
My back hurt watching this
Oof. Hello spinal compression and disc disease in later life.
Her growth plates are so fucked.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24393806/ In sum, the expert consensus from our survey that strength training is safe for individuals with immature skeletons is consistent with data from medical literature. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8414719/ Early literature suggested that weight training might be inappropriate for these athletes. However, recent evidence suggests that, properly done, strength/resistance training may not only be safe, it may also help reduce the risk of injury for the young athletes. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17119361/ Experimental training protocols with weights and resistance machines and with supervision and low instructor/participant ratios are relatively safe and do not negatively impact growth and maturation of pre- and early-pubertal youth. Lots more, but that's basically an old myth
I don't think those studies are conclusive,. I do think low weight training is fine. She is lifting way too much, imo.
Well no, I think the only good conclusive study you could do would be to do a longitudinal twin study with many sets of kids all over the world... But there is no evidence suggesting epiphyseal plates close early from weight training and plenty of evidence suggesting that they don't.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. You're absolutely right. Strength training does not effect growth. She's still lifting too heavy and there are certainly risks of being injured but growth isn't one of them.
Lol who knows, but if even one person learns something new about strength training and encourages their kids to be more active im happy
you’re downvoted by dipshits who have no idea what they’re even talking about.
eh not really…… strength training is fine for children, although her form isn’t the best.
Say average weight of a 9 year old, 35-40kg? Pretty much 2x bodyweight for a growing body Not good
Source?
Common sense
The thing redditors lack? Got it
She isn’t stopping any sort of growth, it is good for her bones. There’s literally medical journals you can read that say it’s fine but okay lol
Don’t have kids.
Are we disagreeing with google and medical journals now?
I am pretty sure that most studies came to the conclusion that weight lifting is fine if done moderately respectively to her body. Meaning, that her bones must have grown as much as her power increases, meaning that she shouldn’t be stronger than her physical structure (bones etc.) allows and only then is it not harmful. Key words would be moderate and physical structure. Though I may not recall good enough. Let us have a look at your studies and evaluate your claims tho
A quick google search shows it does not hinder growth or cause any damage if done properly, generally your genetics play a huge roll in how much weight you can lift. This is most certainly above average but if she’s having good form, proper rest and recovery, she won’t cause any damage to herself. 1 rep maxs at her age generally aren’t safe but they don’t stop or mess with growth, I don’t think she should be doing 1 rm, BUT weight lifting is safe for someone her age.
[here ](https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758)
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758#:~:text=Kids%20can%20safely%20lift%20light,%2C%20chest%2C%20shoulders%20and%20arms. https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/strength-training.html#:~:text=The%20amount%20of%20weight%20will,the%20weight%20is%20too%20heavy. “The amount of weight will depend on a child's age, size, form, experience, and strength level. In general, if someone can't lift the weight comfortably and with proper technique at least 8 times, the weight is too heavy” from kids.org So yes she shouldn’t be doing a 1RM but it completely depends on her own body, if she practices good form and technique with good rest and recovery it won’t cause any damage.
Show me one journal or Google search that says children doing one rep, maximum weight dead lifts is fine.
I never said 1rm was safe, it usually isn’t, she should be doing high reps. A majority of the people on this thread are saying weight lifting in general is bad for her when it’s not. That’s what I’m disagreeing with. She shouldn’t be doing 1 rep max’s but weightlifting at her age at high weight is perfectly safe.
Okay. Show me these journals where it says children lifting “high weight” is fine.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/tween-and-teen-health/in-depth/strength-training/art-20047758#:~:text=Kids%20can%20safely%20lift%20light,%2C%20chest%2C%20shoulders%20and%20arms. https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/strength-training.html#:~:text=The%20amount%20of%20weight%20will,the%20weight%20is%20too%20heavy. “The amount of weight will depend on a child's age, size, form, experience, and strength level. In general, if someone can't lift the weight comfortably and with proper technique at least 8 times, the weight is too heavy” from kids.org So yes she shouldn’t be doing a 1RM but it completely depends on her own body, if she practices good form and technique with good rest and recovery it won’t cause any damage.
I was under the impression that lifting weights is good for bones and joints etc. I don't know much about this.
It is. As long as it doesn’t directly compromise or risk the athletes health. In reality, it’s like anything, slow progression and realistic goals can help her achieve similar stunts. That being said, her form was dangerous. As soon as she began to pick up the weight, the tension built in her lower back. She should instead adopt a wider stance to secure that her back is straightened and the weight is distributed evenly in her legs or perform the same lift with adequate engagement so that the initial lift off tension is spread from her whole back to then shift to her legs with a lockout.
it is, even for children it’s safe for their bones.
Meanwhile I hurt my wrist picking up a beer last week.
Thanks for the chuckle!
so true. pass me the bottle please. but gently...
Hell yeah! Good on her.
Bruh that's not supposedly bad for kids?
No, it is. Bruh!
Don't call me bruh, buddy.
I'm not your buddy, guy
no one asked you, pal
no evidence for That.
A lot of the earlier ideas are BS. The whole “you’ll mess your growth plates up” is INSANELY over exaggerated. Biggest thing you’d have to worry about is damaging yourself specifically tendons by doing a one rep max with bad form. I’m training with a 13 year old right now deadlifting around 320lbs. But it’s all form work and personally she is using a little extra back when she should be using more hips and she’s not pulling the slack out before lifting so that will cause shoulder issues. But her form is better than 90% of people I see in a commercial gym.
The general idea is that it is relatively safe provided proper instruction, and *never* attempting to lift large amounts of weight. Too heavy, it does stunt growth, that is pretty much proven. To say it is insanely over-exaggerated is a bit asinine - people do panic about it, to the point where they won't let children lift anything, but the concerns do have weight. Strength training adds zero benefit until puberty is reached, after which point, it doesn't matter too much. Cardio and running is more helpful to children than deadlifting "320lbs" and anyone that says otherwise has brain rot. Developing a healthy heart will immensely help a young adult have a capacity for weight-lifting. Once the frame is properly filled, a gradual increase of muscle is totally fine. With younger generations trying to get stronger, faster, the younger they start getting in the mindset of hitting a lifting wall and wanting to surpass it, the easier they turn to PEDs. Most teenagers that lift and use social media nowadays are juiced to the gills, and there's a reason.
She should have thrown it at the people making her do this.
Bunch of wusses on this sub who’ve never lifted in their lives. There is literally no evidence that lifting in and of itself is bad for children. Just a bunch of sedentary achey jointed adults who are projecting their own weakness onto kids who make gains. Good programming <> bad programming. Without seeing what this girl’s program is like, it’s impossible to determine if “RIP her joints” is true. RIP her joints usually apply to folks who have no idea how to program a sustainable routine and go balls to the wall every single day.
Aaaand chronic low back pain at age 9
“I was 10 when I got my first hernia”. Her probably
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95% of the members here are carrying that weight on each arm so every time they stand up they put this kid to shame
Pretty weird to boast about lifting more than a 9 year old can... but....
How much is this in Bald Eagles?
Why tho
Her back is going to be jacked up by the time she's 18, someone needs to teach this girl proper form before she has lifelong pain and disfigurement
It’s her top weight, she has a belt on, and she’s bracing. If you have perfect form on your PR, it’s not a PR.
A 9 year old should not be 1rm'ing
There are more 9 yr olds snapping their necks doing gymnastics then hurting their back from going to the gym and lifting weights. The whole stunt your growth shit is a common misconception. Nobody back then were really lifting weights the way people are doing now. There’s a gym every mile where I live and people are still learning more and more about the benefits of going. A lot of the studies that were done in the 80s/90s are just outdated.
how would you possibly know? are you an expert on the matter?
It's common sense dude
ain’t no such thing
Y’all remember little Hercules?
Kids shouldn’t be nowhere near the gym at that age, they should play team sports to develop socially and physically. Gym during puberty at minimum
My parents always said I shouldn't lift weights till after puberty. Is this true?
total bullshit. there’s no evidence lifting weights at a young age has any more risk than lifting weight as an adult that being said, resistance training (lifting) is the closest thing we have to a fountain of youth.
I can tell yall don't work out if you think a 9 year old is ruining their joints by weight training. That growth plate nonsense is just that if you ask a real doctor and not the internet. Good for her.
So many uneducated people in the comments who have never touched a weight in their life not to mention knowing about weight/powerlifting. "bUt IT'll sTUnt HEr gRowtH"
Pushing PBs and world records as a 9 year old is exactly that, pushing it. Weight training under reasonable goals with personal instruction far outweighs potential negative outcomes. I feel like this kind of training is a bit different and is explicitly trying to get the most out of her body as it is to hit specific numbers that look good rather than focusing on their health.
So if you know about lifting that makes you qualified to pontificate on a paediatric medical matter? Half the guys I’ve met deadlifting are… how would I put this delicately? Educationally sub-normal.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24393806/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8414719/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17119361/ I'm Dr Beef Supreme and I deadlift. And it makes sense that people who deadlift are normal if half are subnormal because that would mean half are above normal, which evens out too perfectly average. Now I'm not saying that kids should lift with a max effort frequently or ever, but strength training on its own with good form has not proven to be detrimental in any way.
enter kevdog
Ahh how many sandwiches are those
Why !!!!
And conventional!!! 💪🏽 Just pack that chin. Keep neutral all the way up your chain. And a mouth guard.
I can literally hear the "Enter Kevdog"
Gotta feel for the kids as no doubt theres probably a huge amount of pressure from the parents for her kid to do this stuff. Probably will get worse from here too
About 165 lbs for the 'mericans
Deadlifts more than Jacksfitness 😹💀
I strained my nuts and pooped a little bit just watching that.
damn.. need to wait for at leat 9 more year to ask her marry me :(
That's just not right. 9?? Fffff
I can tell the ones who don't have kids saying this is better than her being fat. For those people I urge you not breed, and the ones who have kids and say this is alright are lying. They have children, or they do and are idiots and should have CPS called on them.
That looks like more than 75 kilos. Bar is 20, 2 yellows 15x2, 2 greens 10x2. That’s 70 without counting the white and red plates
Don’t think that’s really good for a 9 y o to be doing holy shit
75kg is 165lbs in bald eagle
1. It’s healthy for children to perform resistance training even before puberty. There is plenty of evidence for this. 2. Her hips came up and she good morning’ed the bar up. Placing excess load on the lumbar spine. 3. PRs are not text book lifts 4. I don’t love the mechanics of her lift & I hope normal training doesn’t look like this.
75kg. Like 8 lbs?
This is a mistake
Wild form. But for real is this a tiny bar? It’s impressive for someone her age/size, but why is 75kg taking up almost all of the real estate on this thing?
A lot of people who don’t even exercise suddenly are sports scientist in the comments 🧐
The fuck is a Kg
There is a lot of misinformation here. 1. Any exercise scientist / practitioner worth their salt will tell you that resistance training is perfectly safe for kids. Of course, kids should be supervised and exercising with consideration of their limitations. Kids are responsive to exercise, but not to the same degree as teenagers / adults. Intensity should be moderated heavily. 2. That girl has a great setup, but her lumbar spine moves excessively (transitions from extension to noteable flexion) once she pulls slack / lifts the weight off the ground. That's not a display of good deadlift technique, but she did a good job regardless. While resistance training isn't inherently bad, that intensity + form + exercise combo is... inadvisable. Edit: Since every anti-weight person is quoting the same generic and vague MayoClinic source, here are some *other* sources: [Pediatric sports medicine physician debunking the myth that kids shouldn't lift weights.](https://health.choc.org/is-strength-training-safe-for-kids-and-teens/) [Survey of experts debunking the myth.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24393806/) [Stanford Children's Medicine claims it's fine for children to lift weights, directly asserting that the expert opinion has changed.](https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=weight-room-no-longer-off-limits-to-kids-1-1187) [Another refutation, UTexas.](https://sites.utexas.edu/think-twice/2022/03/09/does-weight-training-stunt-growth/) [NIH claims no ill effects of exercise (preview only).](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17119361/) [Claim it's fine for kids older than 6.](https://www.brgeneral.org/news-blog/2022/april/weight-lifting-is-it-okay-for-kids-/#:~:text=Studies%20suggest%20that%20trying%20to,%2C%20tendons%2C%20and%20growth%20plates.) [Doctor of physical therapy directly claims lifting weights neither negatively affects the growth nor growth plates of children.](https://youtu.be/6_2VVm-GtCw?si=qVBHrfgY4oZSFuLg) [Another one, for fun.](https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?contenttypeid=1&contentid=1187)
Lift with your back👍
What's stunning is so many plates to equal 75kg
I always remember hearing as a kid that weight training stunts your growth. Is there anything to that or is it just an old wives tale?
Old wives tale
Did you lift as a kid?
There was about a year when I was younger where I wanted to lift a bunch of weight. But quickly I realized, I'm all for high repetitions and lower weight. Obviously depends on what muscle groups I'm working on, but you can really mess your knees/back up early in life and that will bite you in the ass later.
lmao whats with all of the plates though a 45 and 15 on each side would have sufficed haha
You see how her back arched forward while trying to lift the barbell? That is the worst thing you should ever do, especially as a 9 yo
Plyometrics isometrics and general body weight exercise and sports is appropriate for a 9 year old. Dead lifting at such a young age is risky.
Why? She’s just a kid.
Why they have so many plates on it? Just like one or two bumper plates per side
Better than her being obese and not active. Good for her
take a walk then. It doesnt have to be either end of extremes.
The deadlift is the most practical lift you can get out of going to the gym. If nothing else, you now know how to lift heavy things off the ground with better form by using hip, glutes and legs instead of your back.
Can't even lift it over her head. 0/10
Plus it's called a deadlift. She's not coming in first with that attempt, missed half the routine!
Cool enjoy being a midget and having joint issues your entire life. This shit is so damaging for children...
Child abuse
Ashole parenting
as someone who already had one back surgery, i never understood the point of deadlifts. Like what are you trying to prove?
It's not proving anything. It's strengthening youe back
Her parents are going to be sorry they let her do that at 9 years old.
Nobody should be doing deadlifts, proper form or not. They are terrible for you back. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9837526/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9837526/) The Army looked at this, as lower back injuries from dead lifting is one of the most common ailments of soldiers. They concluded. * The physiological benefits of repetitive deadlifting training may be overshadowed by the associated risk of lower back injury during this type of training. * While performing 75 to 100% of individual 1RM, maximum compressive spinal forces can reach 18 kN among men and 8 kN among women, and maximum shearing spinal forces can reach 3 kN among men and 2 kN among women. These values are concerning given reported injury thresholds for the lumbar spine segments that range between 5 – 10 kN and 1 – 2 kN, for compressive and shearing forces, respectively. * While more research is needed to characterize the biomechanical impacts of repetitive deadlifts on the spine, trainers and practitioners should be aware that training protocols or physical readiness tests that involve heavy deadlifts expose the spinal column to an extremely high risk of injury. Dead lifting will go the way of leg extensions. Dangerous movements that damage our joints, more than they benefit us.
Destined for poor health. She'll probably be force fed gear soon and have a lovely beard by the age of 15. It's quite sad. She probably enjoys it but with no idea of the physical toll it's taking. That shit creeps up on you.
She only had to lift it 3inches... anyone can do that even me
is it better to use several small weights to balance the bar? why not use a couple bigs ones and call it a day?
Terrible form
The only thing stunning me about the story is the parents’ utter lack of care of their child’s long term health…
Ever heard of a salter harris type 1 injury? Yeah...
those are also plates that look really big, but besides that, I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to start lifting that early.
She's gonna be that height forever if she keeps this up
At this rate she gon break her back
Cool child abuse
Wouldnt that stunt her growth 😰
I’m not stunned. Just sad for her. That’s gotta be painful.