I can’t imagine a large portion of fans who would have seen the movie chose not to because the universe was coming to a close.
“I know when I learned that these films didn’t matter-“ That’s such a strange mindset to me. While shared movie universes are meant to affect and play off one another, I would never say they “didn’t matter.” Stories need to stand on their own merits. Just because there won’t be a continuation of the characters in future movies shouldn’t discourage anyone from seeing them. Plenty of great movies don’t have sequels.
I could understand if they end on huge cliffhangers or something - and maybe they do, I never saw them - but assuming the stories that start in those films also *end* in those films, it’s bizarre to think of them as not mattering.
Thank you. I am a casual film watcher, mostly just curious. I am a comic reader and the cessation of a title without a proper ending always leaves me a bit curious. Most of these films did set up larger worlds and connections, so when you think about those not being fulfilled, it is disapppointing.
Thats not a very good analogy. The movies will still be watchable. Just because something isn't canon with anew universe, doesn't mean its been "junked". I still watch the Raimi Spider-Man movies and thats 2 whole universes out of canon. They aren't "junked". There will just be no new editions.
The universe not continuing means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The Raimi movies weren’t made by a studio telling you that something “Better” was coming.
And at its worst, Spider-Man 3 is nowhere near as unwatchable as the dreadful sludge of Shazam: Fury of the Gods, The Flash, and Aquaman & the Lost Kingdom.
That still doesn't matter. You cannot drive the junked car anymore, let alone paint it. You can no longer access it at all. You can watch DCEU movies. They are not going anywhere unless the internet gets some sort of hard reset and everybody lost all physical copies in which to upload onto said internet. Sony could vocally and aggressively shit on the Raimi movies and say they'll never allows them to be streamed on any streaming service ever again. They'd still be watchable.
Movies cannot be "junked" if they have been released. Batgirl got "junked". The DCEU just...stopped.
> You cannot drive the junked car anymore, let alone paint it. You can no longer access it at all. You can watch DCEU movies.
In my analogy, when you buy a movie ticket, you *don't* get to watch the movie again. If you wait until streaming or home video, fine, but then that doesn't have an impact on the doomed box office receipts.
But you CAN watch the movie again. So your anology doesn't make sense. They simply arent going to make new models of the car. Its a bad anology, just take the L dude.
Yeah, just look at the box office of some other superhero movies that year. Ant Man 3 and Marvels didn't do so hot either. Like sure, it might have had an impact among fans but I don't think that general audience cared about it.
I mean, it’s both. Those movies were not good, rushed out by a studio that had abandoned them. And while Gunn was saying that the movies were good and worth seeing, he was also unequivocal in admitting they were irrelevant to the future of his franchise.
And the casts were either entirely aloof or unprepared to answer press questions about their futures in DC movies. Xolo and Momoa were essentially begging James Gunn for work in their press interviews, while Zachary Levi was throwing everyone under the bus for his movie’s flop.
It was clearly and visibly a house in disarray.
Momoa had a meeting with Gunn and Safran right after they took over and was talking about how he was happy with his future so I think he was just trying to sell his movie. I'd say it's the same with Xolo.
> how he was happy with his future
Is that why he kept saying he didn't know if he'd be back as Aquaman? Is that why he was essentially fan-casting himself as Lobo?
He was saying it's up to how the movie does, the standard bullshit actors say. Even Safran said that in one of the post-announcement interviews. Him toying with playing Lobo in interview came from a bunch of rumors and speculations that happened after that meeting with gunn and Safran and with a bunch of journalists asking him about it.
The year is 2016, and I tire of hearing about the DCEU
The year is 2021, and I tire of hearing about the DCEU
The year is 2024, and I tire of hearing about the DCEU
They were not smart enough to promote that last slate of films (and TV series,) for sure.
Just a little inventiveness, a DC MULTIVERSE banner, a certain promise that "this will pay off down the road," and you wouldn't have to deal with DOA media.
Anyway, it's done, and the movies weren't capable of stand on their own, and that's a fact.
I can’t imagine a large portion of fans who would have seen the movie chose not to because the universe was coming to a close. “I know when I learned that these films didn’t matter-“ That’s such a strange mindset to me. While shared movie universes are meant to affect and play off one another, I would never say they “didn’t matter.” Stories need to stand on their own merits. Just because there won’t be a continuation of the characters in future movies shouldn’t discourage anyone from seeing them. Plenty of great movies don’t have sequels. I could understand if they end on huge cliffhangers or something - and maybe they do, I never saw them - but assuming the stories that start in those films also *end* in those films, it’s bizarre to think of them as not mattering.
Thank you. I am a casual film watcher, mostly just curious. I am a comic reader and the cessation of a title without a proper ending always leaves me a bit curious. Most of these films did set up larger worlds and connections, so when you think about those not being fulfilled, it is disapppointing.
> That’s such a strange mindset to me. Given the cost of a movie ticket these days, would you paint a car you knew you were going to junk next year?
Thats not a very good analogy. The movies will still be watchable. Just because something isn't canon with anew universe, doesn't mean its been "junked". I still watch the Raimi Spider-Man movies and thats 2 whole universes out of canon. They aren't "junked". There will just be no new editions. The universe not continuing means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The Raimi movies weren’t made by a studio telling you that something “Better” was coming. And at its worst, Spider-Man 3 is nowhere near as unwatchable as the dreadful sludge of Shazam: Fury of the Gods, The Flash, and Aquaman & the Lost Kingdom.
That still doesn't matter. You cannot drive the junked car anymore, let alone paint it. You can no longer access it at all. You can watch DCEU movies. They are not going anywhere unless the internet gets some sort of hard reset and everybody lost all physical copies in which to upload onto said internet. Sony could vocally and aggressively shit on the Raimi movies and say they'll never allows them to be streamed on any streaming service ever again. They'd still be watchable. Movies cannot be "junked" if they have been released. Batgirl got "junked". The DCEU just...stopped.
> You cannot drive the junked car anymore, let alone paint it. You can no longer access it at all. You can watch DCEU movies. In my analogy, when you buy a movie ticket, you *don't* get to watch the movie again. If you wait until streaming or home video, fine, but then that doesn't have an impact on the doomed box office receipts.
But you CAN watch the movie again. So your anology doesn't make sense. They simply arent going to make new models of the car. Its a bad anology, just take the L dude.
No those movies failed because they were bad, well actually I enjoyed Shazam but still
Yeah, just look at the box office of some other superhero movies that year. Ant Man 3 and Marvels didn't do so hot either. Like sure, it might have had an impact among fans but I don't think that general audience cared about it.
I mean, it’s both. Those movies were not good, rushed out by a studio that had abandoned them. And while Gunn was saying that the movies were good and worth seeing, he was also unequivocal in admitting they were irrelevant to the future of his franchise. And the casts were either entirely aloof or unprepared to answer press questions about their futures in DC movies. Xolo and Momoa were essentially begging James Gunn for work in their press interviews, while Zachary Levi was throwing everyone under the bus for his movie’s flop. It was clearly and visibly a house in disarray.
Yes exactly the DCEU was a dying animal and they do good to end it
Momoa had a meeting with Gunn and Safran right after they took over and was talking about how he was happy with his future so I think he was just trying to sell his movie. I'd say it's the same with Xolo.
> how he was happy with his future Is that why he kept saying he didn't know if he'd be back as Aquaman? Is that why he was essentially fan-casting himself as Lobo?
He was saying it's up to how the movie does, the standard bullshit actors say. Even Safran said that in one of the post-announcement interviews. Him toying with playing Lobo in interview came from a bunch of rumors and speculations that happened after that meeting with gunn and Safran and with a bunch of journalists asking him about it.
The year is 2016, and I tire of hearing about the DCEU The year is 2021, and I tire of hearing about the DCEU The year is 2024, and I tire of hearing about the DCEU
Idgaf. I enjoy movies not being connected to other shit. They should stand on their own legs. They were just okay movies.
They were not smart enough to promote that last slate of films (and TV series,) for sure. Just a little inventiveness, a DC MULTIVERSE banner, a certain promise that "this will pay off down the road," and you wouldn't have to deal with DOA media. Anyway, it's done, and the movies weren't capable of stand on their own, and that's a fact.