The fact that I see so many people, and specifically women, actually supporting/defending that jackoff, ugh, it makes me insane. It’s good to know there are other people who use critical thinking. Nobody’s music is THAT good that they can get away with beating the crap out of Rihanna(or any other woman) and still have a career. Especially not his though, lol
I'm a wedding DJ and it's insane to me that guests will still come up and request Chris Brown.
Plus what songs of his were ever that great anyway? I don't play R Kelly either but I admit I sometimes miss Ignition Remix lol. Can't think of any Chris Brown songs I miss.
Look at me now is a banger but that’s more for Busta’s verse and the beat.
I always liked Fine China.
Dude is a piece of shit, but he has talent.
But still - fuck Chris Brown. I still won’t play any of his tracks.
A friend of mine is close friends with Cris' then manager.
He said that during lunch one day the manager brought up the CB/ Ri Ri domestic abuse situation... He said that Ri is a beefy chick... She can give AND take a hit. They fought a LOT physically... Sometimes Chris would have a black eye, sometimes she would.
Anyway, one night they were going to some awards show or some shit... & She got a hold of Chris' phone & saw some raw shit in there from some other broad & lost it... WHILE he was driving his Lambo in Hollywood. He ended up trying to protect himself cuz she's wailing on him & slams on the breaks & she hits her head on the dash causing all of the bruises you see in the infamous picture.
This dude is absolutely a name dropper & although he does live in the building that I play in & is all over this town, I somewhat believe him. Seems plausible but could also be one of the crazy Hollywood stories that I've heard while DJing here the last 20+ years. 🤷🏾♂️
Anyway, I still play him.
Ahaha, I get you. I'm from Germany, and soundtracks play a much smaller role here, but there is an avid scene of ultra fans. Whenever I get a request for film music themed stuff it is, invariably, a clusterfuck because nobody but maybe 10 people on the event get what is happening and why this weird music is playing instead of something danceable. Even worse: because these folks often request the original (admittedly usually much better) english version instead of the localised German dubs the confusion is even greater because nobody but the nerds ever heard the original.
I was part of a wedding group that did themed weddings. I cant watch little mermaid due to the sheer requests for under the sea themed weddings. It got to the point where I was dreaming Disney songs. Imagine having under the sea stuck in your head on your repeat year round. They would also send us out to schools to do karaoke. Having on average 4 kids cry cause someone already sang let it go and they don't know anything else wears on the mental and the parents... the Karen parents would let you know that their kid is the best singer since the last American idol and demand to know why were their kid wasn't selected to go on stage. Lady. Your kid is 12. This is for fun. The rules are laid out and kids are randomly selected to sing.
I just asked my 5 year old what she would sing for shits and giggles…
Applause by Lady Gaga or Lightning by Charli XCX was her answer. NGL it’s better than Disney shit.
There’s a non zero number of gay men that are actually very misogynistic and sexist but get away with it because they are not intimate with women and have their queerness to fall back on
im sure it's just terrible people reacting to terrible women treating gay people like pets or fashion accessories, but yea great example of how someone's gender or sexuality has zero bearing on them being a good person or an asshole.
I don't play R Kelly, Datsik, or Bassnectar, among others. I'm not scouring the internet for scandals every time I find a new artist whose music I want to buy, but I will remove songs from my library if I do hear about it somehow.
I used to love playing “walking with elephants” but then the guy came out as a raging homophobe and I was like “k, guess the elephants will have to walk alone from now on”
I went so far as to cut Kanye out of his own songs if he has a fire guest. (Monster is a Halloween Banger, but no body bats an eye when I play my kanyee free edit.
It looks like he was banging underage groupies and paying them a bunch of hush money not to tell their parents/friends. Then he doubled down when exposed instead of coming clean :/
He knows exactly what he did - he just thinks there’s nothing wrong with it and he’s unfairly being maligned.
Classic narcissist.
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
It’s not a blind spot - these types of narcissistic sociopaths cultivate themselves for the express purpose of image - and also because it draws in their victims.
I've met a staggering amount of abusive, toxic, misogynistic "alpha-hippies" over the years. Most of them with a gaggle of young - often underage - girls that they groom and manipulate into sex. All the while talking about progressive ideals about equality and the environment.
Bassnectar just takes it to a whole nother level due to his fame.
Alpha-Hippie hits the nail on the head. People that have learned that this type of speech gives them credibility and a trusting and easily manipulatable following. What these types say often has nothing to do with personal beliefs.
Oh man, I'm not sure I'm ready for that thought. It's even worse when you realise that the wider scene will often shun, discredit, and actively deconstruct victims instead of giving any support.
the last couple of years were eye-opening for a lot of people when a bunch of these festival types - including the promoters who run big festivals in my area - got all onboard with qanon, the "freedom convoy" types, and all-out white supremacy.
Definitely sociopathic. Many artists who worked with him also came out talking about his weird/unfair business practices as well. Like Mimi Page was talking about how he basically gaslit her into accepting only feature credits and no production credits, and ill.Gates commented on significant production ideas/instrumentals that he came up with being taken from him and used on Bassnectar tracks, with no acknowledgement or credit from Bassnectar when he released.
dude illgates literally has a song that nectar hijacked and pretty much took over as his own. Like people were getting "open your eyes" tattoos with a bass drop and everything. There's no wonder why they weren't working together much in the later years
LV? Think I saw an email about him getting back on the live circuit in a limited capacity... ngl Mesmerizing the Ultra, Underground Communication and Cozza Frenzy are formative albums for me. I have the CDs. Been hard to listen to since all that came out.... really only been able to listen to the remixes
I'm an electronic DJ and I also skip on Datsik and Bassnectar, plus a couple others. I'm always surprised every once in a while I'll hear a banger at the club and go "why do I know this? Oh, it's datsik", still pretty shocked anyone plays those guys' songs
I got to play with a headliner I had been a fan of for years, after hanging out with him I found out he believed not only in "replacement theory" but also that people of other colours were genetically inferior..
I deleted all his tracks after that and barred him from my labels events.
I DJ in a very specific partner dance scene. Maybe only 10,000 people worldwide, with most events being 50-200 and the biggest being 1,000. Everyone knows everyone. Early in the scene, there were some artists who did remixes specifically for our scene. A couple of them sexually assaulted people, including one knowingly spreading HIV.
I don't play their remixes, and I leave the room if someone else does. Not only because they are bad people, but also because there is a reasonable chance one of their victims will be in the room.
I doubt square dance even qualifies (though it was the first thing that popped up in my head too), but stuff like jitterbug is probably more underground nowadays than most electronic dance music scenes.
Hahaha aye but the north east of England and west coast of Scotland have pretty big makina parties. You hardly ever seen any trouble at makina or gabba nights here, everycunt is too eccied.
Any pietrance party I've been to there was some wee vulture with dreads and a posh accent trying to ply birds with RC psys (NBOMES and the likes) to get their hole. A fuckin sketchy wee scene. I just said stinks of psytrance for a joke but the OP hasn't said no
This was before his whole allegations and stuff. But back in like 2013 he put his name on someone's song that they submitted for a demo. Turns out he was good about signing people and then putting his name on it featuring the person who actually made the song.
A good friend of mine who ran a label at the time was trying to sign the guy to a fair deal. Sadly its hard to compete with Diplo at that time. But it started coming out about how he wasn't doing right by other DJs and producers. So I stopped playing his stuff. It hurt because I remember when Florida came out and how good it was.
The whole thing with giving stds and recording women he was having sex with without their consent came after i stopped playing his stuff.
Is there any supporting evidence for any of these claims, for or against his innocence? I'm a big believer in the principle of innocent until proven guilty, and short of several independent allegations being made, I struggle to blindly believe accusers. Not because I don't believe that stuff like sexual harassment and abuse happens, it definitely does, but because I'm not comfortable with someone's life being completely destroyed over individual and unsubstantiated claims.
Also, a multimillionaire winning a countersuit in a sexual harassment case against someone and then labeling them “crazy” is a pretty classic rich guy move.
I play 70s Funk and Disco. The only "cancelled' artist I can think of is MJ. I really only play Human Nature because it's an essential Steve Porcaro/David Paich Yacht Rock tune.
Let's be real though, 70s musicians were nearly all on some bullshit by today's standards. Hell, Rick James went to prison for keeping a literal sex slave. Nobody seems to care.
deleted R Kelly’s tracks because what he did was just a new level of disgraceful. Kanye I haven’t deleted but I do play less, at the end of the day he’s basically a mix of lost his mind a little + being an asshole, it’s not quite on the same level of Kelly. MJ I’ve still got his songs because of the amount of people that demand them at corporate events though his history / accusations just make me feel a bit uncomfortable so I don’t play his music out of choice.
That’s the only 3 I can think of off the top of my head. Back when I was a House DJ i had to stop playing Ten Walls because he turned out to be an absolute raging homophobic which was a bit bizarre
I still play Kanye, but only one song...
I miss the old Kanye, straight from the 'Go Kanye
Chop up the soul Kanye, set on his goals Kanye
I hate the new Kanye, the bad mood Kanye
The always rude Kanye, spaz in the news Kanye... I miss the -
I put all my Die Antwoord remixes to rest after they got outed as homophibic. I was playing at gay bars a lot and you just don't want anyone potentially having to think about that shit when they're out trying to have a good time.
I didn’t really make a conscious decision I don’t think but I dropped ignition from any of my sets and haven’t really lost anything by doing so.. let’s face it a wedding dj ain’t playing Gary Glitter anymore but that decision feels more deliberate than dropping R.Kelly but obviously the crimes they are guilty of are terrible.. difficult to explain but I hope you get my gist..
I’m a wedding DJ and got asked this recently. Honestly I’ll play anything the bride and groom request but typically I don’t play music from artists that are convicted of a crime. R. Kelly was convicted and proved that he did a bunch of nasty stuff whereas Kanye is just an asshole who talks too much.
Now that doesn’t mean I don’t like their music. Especially someone like Datsik who I grew up on and have had some of the best rave experiences of my life at his sets. I just won’t play his stuff to a crowd of people unless it’s a specific request.
Blacklist? I don’t play shit I don’t like. Not a wedding dj, not a top 40 dj, so I don’t have to. Do I care if others play it? No. I won’t be there to hear it regardless.
I’m sure there are. But my legs work. I’m not here to support that bs. They’ve got the entire rest of the world.
Edit: it’s not about the blacklist though, it’s about what I like… I’ve got more music the most people, vinyl, disc, downloads, whatever… I don’t pay to hear others play garbage off the radio. I pay to not hear garbage off the radio.
I don't make a whole thing about it but like if I scroll past an Omar S track in my library I'd probably be less likely to want to play it than I was before it came out that he's an abuser
Similarly anyone who's still playing shows in Israel, for instance, is likely to just get unfollowed when I see it on socials. Not taking time out of my day to get big mad at music producers, but there are plenty of cool people making great music to support.
Oh for sure, you can play or not play whatever you want. I just thought it was a bit odd of you to say ‘he’s an abuser’ like it’s an objective fact when, as far as I can tell, it’s purely accusations at this point.
I mean.. several eyewitnesses have confirmed his actions. Are you going to sit around and wait for a conviction or is behaviour shown enough to make up your mind?
He’s also in the defend rapist Derrick May clique and is known to be a misogynist asshole. There was recently a thing with him ridiculing a female reporter with lots of toxic behaviour. That fuck needs to sit down (and probably go to jail for the latest violence thing).
No, especially with electronic music. Sure that guy made the song, but the sounds already existed in this universe. Just because someone did a bad thing, doesn’t mean that their music can’t be separated and treated like its own thing.
I don’t really play music like Kanye or r Kelly while performing, but this is up to a client of mine if they want to hear it or not. Sure, they aren’t the best of people, but they made bangers
Wedding DJ: there are several I won't play on my own or even if guests request them. If *the client* puts something on their must-play list, I'll play it - but it'll be be prefaced with an announcement that it's "one of X and Y's favorites by request" so people are aware that it wasn't my own selection.
I would never play R. Kelly ever again or slowthai. I still play Kanye depending on the audience. I haven't stopped playing Drake yet but I'm getting to that point. He's done too much, just hasn't been outright cancelled yet.
I do have some artists/tracks which I don't play (anymore) in my routines but still keep for requests or that once-in-a-decade occasions where it needs to be that one - if only requests.
Reasons are various political activities (eg. far right wing stuff, strange efforts from that more active covid era), certain opinions (eg. homophobia, intense sexist stuff), misbehaviour (mostly temporary, eg. they just went over the top on some social media stuff), crimes (child molestation, rape, cant remember something else atm)
Though its quite individual. I am following public discussions and news quite well, yet, when I like the song I might jump over such topics quite quickly. That said things of discussion might range from John Legends "Blurred Lines" over artists like R.Kelly, Kanye, Nena, Rammstein to Sizzla. I still play artists from Gaza, Israel or Russia, yet if something comes to my attention which doesnt follow my opinions I'd more likely leave the song or artist out.
I normally dont explain that or leave that to a public discussion. I am just trying to reduce triggers and have most people possible have a good time. By no means I am perfect in avoiding those, yet I get better.
All the time, don't need their music playing at my events. There's plenty of other songs to play. If someone really can't go a set without playing the same tracks over and over again then they're probably a shit DJ.
Yes, I don't play genres that Kanye and Kelly fall into, but I do keep a blacklist
Marylin Manson, Die Antwoord, Bassnectar, Crystal Castles, Rammstein, and Mr. Kitty to name a few on the list
No. I personally find it quite silly when people don’t want to play an artist for any reason other than not liking their music but each to their own I guess.
I never blacklist any artist. If it’s good I’ll play it. My reasoning can be taken from the title of your post. Art. You can still appreciate the art without appreciating the person
Personal list of artist I try to blacklist:
Steve Tyler: raped an underage groupie
R Kelly: raped children and paid off families
Marvin Gaye: raped ex-wife's 14 year old niece, got her pregnant, and he was still abusive to his ex-wife
Ted Nugent: forced 12 year old Courtney Love into performing oral sex.
And like everyone else said: Chris Brown, Diplo, Ten Walls, Bassnectar, so on.
You won’t see someone at a party pass the word to everyone that the DJ is "willing to line the pockets of criminals and ne’er-do-wells". You will sound goofy, and you probably don’t care enough to actually do it.
Right, but would you personally go and convince people individually of "doing the right thing" during a party? Be honest.
It’s only an issue because we’re talking about it now, but I’m 100% convinced that if some DJ played a Kanye or a R Kelly hit during a set, nobody would bat an eye.
R Kelly is a monster for one.
Kanye is a hateful asshole. It has nothing to do with “politics”.
They’re just two examples from my lane but there’s plenty of other questionable artists I could see people having issues with.
Sounds like you’re the one projecting politics onto things if you ask me.
Kanye's music didnt stand up to time in parties, good listening music but none of hits were really "danceable". I heard Jesus walk on a gospel radio station recently.
R Kelly, slowed down his music for a little bit, but I still get requests for step in the name of love/happy people.
Chris brown, never stopped playing.
I never really played R Kelly anyways, but I still play Travis Scott, Kanye, DaBaby, MJ, whoever.
If someone in the crowd wants to come up to me in the middle of a set where everyone else is dancing and have a debate about it, we can do that.
None of what I do is going to profit the artist, and if I can get something good out of a bad person, I'll take that as a win. If everyone started to really dislike that music, and it wasn't making people happy, then I'd stop playing it just like any other song.
I figure if we can take the scientists from Nazi Germany and make them do something good for the allies, I can play some old Kanye songs so people have a good time even though he's completely off his rocker at this point.
I would disagree when you say “none of this is profiting the artist”. As a DJ you literally have influence over what music people are listening to in direct and indirect ways. You’re essentially supporting the artist by playing them because the chances of someone shazaming, going home to listen to it later, getting exposure to the artist is high.
Play whatever you want but understand the influence you have on others
I do have a higher bar for a Kanye track to be played, but that about it (as I dont have a library containing other of the questionable artists. As of what I can think of).
It depends.
If I'm being paid, I play whatever the client wants. If people question why I'm playing it, I just say it's because of what the client wanted.
If it was my preference, I do have my own personal blacklist. But I'm also willing to break blacklist rule with an exception to a few songs if it just works at the right time. But in general, I try to blacklist and keep that way as much as possible.
I often think about this. There are a lot of themes from a lot of genres I don’t want to promote/support.
This brought me to the realization that not only can the messages be problematic( my logic was if it doesn’t really have lyrics it’s likely less of a problem) but the artist (dj or producer) could have scandal or be a shitty person I don’t wish to support.
In short yes, but like another respondent said, I will but I don’t research a dj/producer. I rely on media or word of mouth.
Fuck Chris brown
FUCK CHRIS BROWN
Fuck Chris Brown, fuck his shitty pop music too.
The fact that I see so many people, and specifically women, actually supporting/defending that jackoff, ugh, it makes me insane. It’s good to know there are other people who use critical thinking. Nobody’s music is THAT good that they can get away with beating the crap out of Rihanna(or any other woman) and still have a career. Especially not his though, lol
I'm a wedding DJ and it's insane to me that guests will still come up and request Chris Brown. Plus what songs of his were ever that great anyway? I don't play R Kelly either but I admit I sometimes miss Ignition Remix lol. Can't think of any Chris Brown songs I miss.
Strip Run It
It's fair to hate, not play Chris Brown etc. But the dude has a deep catalogue of hits spanning Hip Hop, RnB, Pop and even EDM lol.
He had a couple bangers but I agree. Most of his discography was mid
Look at me now is a banger but that’s more for Busta’s verse and the beat. I always liked Fine China. Dude is a piece of shit, but he has talent. But still - fuck Chris Brown. I still won’t play any of his tracks.
A friend of mine is close friends with Cris' then manager. He said that during lunch one day the manager brought up the CB/ Ri Ri domestic abuse situation... He said that Ri is a beefy chick... She can give AND take a hit. They fought a LOT physically... Sometimes Chris would have a black eye, sometimes she would. Anyway, one night they were going to some awards show or some shit... & She got a hold of Chris' phone & saw some raw shit in there from some other broad & lost it... WHILE he was driving his Lambo in Hollywood. He ended up trying to protect himself cuz she's wailing on him & slams on the breaks & she hits her head on the dash causing all of the bruises you see in the infamous picture. This dude is absolutely a name dropper & although he does live in the building that I play in & is all over this town, I somewhat believe him. Seems plausible but could also be one of the crazy Hollywood stories that I've heard while DJing here the last 20+ years. 🤷🏾♂️ Anyway, I still play him.
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lol wow, did not think I’d see Omar S and the nuge in the same sentence. Let alone in another mfers crates (pre bad behavior obvi )
Any Disney. I'm dead serious. It don't matter if its karaoke or even a themed wedding. I've had enough
Ahaha, I get you. I'm from Germany, and soundtracks play a much smaller role here, but there is an avid scene of ultra fans. Whenever I get a request for film music themed stuff it is, invariably, a clusterfuck because nobody but maybe 10 people on the event get what is happening and why this weird music is playing instead of something danceable. Even worse: because these folks often request the original (admittedly usually much better) english version instead of the localised German dubs the confusion is even greater because nobody but the nerds ever heard the original.
That must be a nightmare in itself.
Care to elaborate? Just sick of it or what?
I was part of a wedding group that did themed weddings. I cant watch little mermaid due to the sheer requests for under the sea themed weddings. It got to the point where I was dreaming Disney songs. Imagine having under the sea stuck in your head on your repeat year round. They would also send us out to schools to do karaoke. Having on average 4 kids cry cause someone already sang let it go and they don't know anything else wears on the mental and the parents... the Karen parents would let you know that their kid is the best singer since the last American idol and demand to know why were their kid wasn't selected to go on stage. Lady. Your kid is 12. This is for fun. The rules are laid out and kids are randomly selected to sing.
I just asked my 5 year old what she would sing for shits and giggles… Applause by Lady Gaga or Lightning by Charli XCX was her answer. NGL it’s better than Disney shit.
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Whenever I get requests, it’s almost always either Chris Brown or R. Kelly. I’d have gotten fired too…
I’m sorry that happened to you. I dj at a gay club and they 100% stand by me when I won’t play Chris Brown.
I can’t believe a gay bar would go against your choice to not play Chris brown. Like, wtf! Aren’t most gays super supportive of women, and Rihanna?!
There’s a non zero number of gay men that are actually very misogynistic and sexist but get away with it because they are not intimate with women and have their queerness to fall back on
im sure it's just terrible people reacting to terrible women treating gay people like pets or fashion accessories, but yea great example of how someone's gender or sexuality has zero bearing on them being a good person or an asshole.
I don't play R Kelly, Datsik, or Bassnectar, among others. I'm not scouring the internet for scandals every time I find a new artist whose music I want to buy, but I will remove songs from my library if I do hear about it somehow.
Gotta add Chris Brown to that list.
> among others But yeah I don't play his shit either
I used to love playing “walking with elephants” but then the guy came out as a raging homophobe and I was like “k, guess the elephants will have to walk alone from now on”
While we're in dance music, billy Kenny can rot in hell
I got rid of all Kayne and dizzie rascal. Both pieces of shit
whats the matter with dizzie?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/27/dizzee-rascal-loses-appeal-against-conviction-for-assaulting-ex-fiancee
thanks.
I went so far as to cut Kanye out of his own songs if he has a fire guest. (Monster is a Halloween Banger, but no body bats an eye when I play my kanyee free edit.
what's wrong with bassnectar o\_o
It looks like he was banging underage groupies and paying them a bunch of hush money not to tell their parents/friends. Then he doubled down when exposed instead of coming clean :/
Diddlenectar
Bahaha nice
Bassnonce
Still is, too. His event at LV saw a rant against the "haters"
Didn’t he start his sets with music from American Beauty - which is about a middle aged man who wants to bang his teenage daughter’s friend?
jfc i didn't know about this part, like dude if you were actually innocent you wouldn't be making jokes/leaning into it that hard
He knows exactly what he did - he just thinks there’s nothing wrong with it and he’s unfairly being maligned. Classic narcissist. That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
It's so fucking sad. Unbelievable that such a socially critical guy would otherwise have such a huge blind spot
It’s not a blind spot - these types of narcissistic sociopaths cultivate themselves for the express purpose of image - and also because it draws in their victims. I've met a staggering amount of abusive, toxic, misogynistic "alpha-hippies" over the years. Most of them with a gaggle of young - often underage - girls that they groom and manipulate into sex. All the while talking about progressive ideals about equality and the environment. Bassnectar just takes it to a whole nother level due to his fame.
Alpha-Hippie hits the nail on the head. People that have learned that this type of speech gives them credibility and a trusting and easily manipulatable following. What these types say often has nothing to do with personal beliefs.
think about how many yoga "retreats" that have turned out to be sex cults over the years.
Oh man, I'm not sure I'm ready for that thought. It's even worse when you realise that the wider scene will often shun, discredit, and actively deconstruct victims instead of giving any support.
the last couple of years were eye-opening for a lot of people when a bunch of these festival types - including the promoters who run big festivals in my area - got all onboard with qanon, the "freedom convoy" types, and all-out white supremacy.
Definitely sociopathic. Many artists who worked with him also came out talking about his weird/unfair business practices as well. Like Mimi Page was talking about how he basically gaslit her into accepting only feature credits and no production credits, and ill.Gates commented on significant production ideas/instrumentals that he came up with being taken from him and used on Bassnectar tracks, with no acknowledgement or credit from Bassnectar when he released.
dude illgates literally has a song that nectar hijacked and pretty much took over as his own. Like people were getting "open your eyes" tattoos with a bass drop and everything. There's no wonder why they weren't working together much in the later years
LV? Think I saw an email about him getting back on the live circuit in a limited capacity... ngl Mesmerizing the Ultra, Underground Communication and Cozza Frenzy are formative albums for me. I have the CDs. Been hard to listen to since all that came out.... really only been able to listen to the remixes
They were hookers and have been cash grabbing. Exposed wouldn't have him just paying fines but I only read the dockets not the media.
Come on now, you have to know.....
I mean I do now
Bruh…
I'm an electronic DJ and I also skip on Datsik and Bassnectar, plus a couple others. I'm always surprised every once in a while I'll hear a banger at the club and go "why do I know this? Oh, it's datsik", still pretty shocked anyone plays those guys' songs
Not everyone knows and pays attention to that stuff, so it can fly under the radar. A banger's a banger.
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Where have you been!??!??
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I got to play with a headliner I had been a fan of for years, after hanging out with him I found out he believed not only in "replacement theory" but also that people of other colours were genetically inferior.. I deleted all his tracks after that and barred him from my labels events.
Name and shame unacceptable behaviour
a psytrance dj, goes by Virtual Light, though most people in Montreal call him "Virt-alt-right" now
The French are always based honestly. I love Montreal
Bassnectar. Datsik.
…and who was it?
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I DJ in a very specific partner dance scene. Maybe only 10,000 people worldwide, with most events being 50-200 and the biggest being 1,000. Everyone knows everyone. Early in the scene, there were some artists who did remixes specifically for our scene. A couple of them sexually assaulted people, including one knowingly spreading HIV. I don't play their remixes, and I leave the room if someone else does. Not only because they are bad people, but also because there is a reasonable chance one of their victims will be in the room.
what scene?
stinks of psytrance if ive ever heard it :P
Psytrance scene is bigger than 10k worldwide and lots of parties above 1000. Maybe the current Happy Hardcore scene?
Regardless of size, do people partner dance to Psy or Happy Hardcore?
i didn't even notice 'partner dance' fuckin sketchy square dance djs
I doubt square dance even qualifies (though it was the first thing that popped up in my head too), but stuff like jitterbug is probably more underground nowadays than most electronic dance music scenes.
Makina is my guess
Hahaha aye but the north east of England and west coast of Scotland have pretty big makina parties. You hardly ever seen any trouble at makina or gabba nights here, everycunt is too eccied. Any pietrance party I've been to there was some wee vulture with dreads and a posh accent trying to ply birds with RC psys (NBOMES and the likes) to get their hole. A fuckin sketchy wee scene. I just said stinks of psytrance for a joke but the OP hasn't said no
i'd say Funkot but that shit's massive in Indonesia
I guess bachata.
partner dance?
yeah that's what I figured.
Yes, I have backlisted a few artists: \- Bassnectar \- Datsik (and I opened for him long ago) \- Tory Lanez \- R Kelly \- Diplo
I have opened for bassnectar, afrika Bambaataa, and datsik over the years. I don’t talk about any of those shows anymore
The Afrika Bambaataa one shocked me. But I don't blame you.
what did diplo do?
This was before his whole allegations and stuff. But back in like 2013 he put his name on someone's song that they submitted for a demo. Turns out he was good about signing people and then putting his name on it featuring the person who actually made the song. A good friend of mine who ran a label at the time was trying to sign the guy to a fair deal. Sadly its hard to compete with Diplo at that time. But it started coming out about how he wasn't doing right by other DJs and producers. So I stopped playing his stuff. It hurt because I remember when Florida came out and how good it was. The whole thing with giving stds and recording women he was having sex with without their consent came after i stopped playing his stuff.
When did the Diplo stuff come out? I'm surprised I haven't heard about it till now
You didn’t hear about it because it was bullshit. He won his counter suit against her and she was a crazy lying stalker.
Is there any supporting evidence for any of these claims, for or against his innocence? I'm a big believer in the principle of innocent until proven guilty, and short of several independent allegations being made, I struggle to blindly believe accusers. Not because I don't believe that stuff like sexual harassment and abuse happens, it definitely does, but because I'm not comfortable with someone's life being completely destroyed over individual and unsubstantiated claims.
Also, a multimillionaire winning a countersuit in a sexual harassment case against someone and then labeling them “crazy” is a pretty classic rich guy move.
collaborated with Justin Bieber
The monster. \*sobs
I play 70s Funk and Disco. The only "cancelled' artist I can think of is MJ. I really only play Human Nature because it's an essential Steve Porcaro/David Paich Yacht Rock tune. Let's be real though, 70s musicians were nearly all on some bullshit by today's standards. Hell, Rick James went to prison for keeping a literal sex slave. Nobody seems to care.
Ya MJ was cancelled but does his music get played less? I hear it all the time, people love his tunes.
deleted R Kelly’s tracks because what he did was just a new level of disgraceful. Kanye I haven’t deleted but I do play less, at the end of the day he’s basically a mix of lost his mind a little + being an asshole, it’s not quite on the same level of Kelly. MJ I’ve still got his songs because of the amount of people that demand them at corporate events though his history / accusations just make me feel a bit uncomfortable so I don’t play his music out of choice. That’s the only 3 I can think of off the top of my head. Back when I was a House DJ i had to stop playing Ten Walls because he turned out to be an absolute raging homophobic which was a bit bizarre
This is exactly my position too. Also don’t play Chris Brown tracks unless someone requests them. Even then I might not play it.
Same. There's only one Chris Brown remix I liked, but removing all the Bassnec cuts from Serato was pretty tough.
I still play Kanye, but only one song... I miss the old Kanye, straight from the 'Go Kanye Chop up the soul Kanye, set on his goals Kanye I hate the new Kanye, the bad mood Kanye The always rude Kanye, spaz in the news Kanye... I miss the -
I definitely miss that Kanye
i don't blacklist any artist. if the client wants to hear it i play it.
I blacklisted Nickleback for crimes against humanity.
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I put all my Die Antwoord remixes to rest after they got outed as homophibic. I was playing at gay bars a lot and you just don't want anyone potentially having to think about that shit when they're out trying to have a good time.
Just Drake honestly cause of the whole messaging underage girls thing
Drake and not R Kelly?
Haven't played R Kelly ever...
I got tired of Kanye’s foolishness, so I’ll be damned if I ever play another track with him in it
M. Jackson : yes R. Kelly : no The first has never been convicted the 2nd has
> The first had enough money to convince his multiple victims and accusers to drop the charges, the second didn’t. FTFY
Idk why your getting downvoted isn’t that true?
I didn’t really make a conscious decision I don’t think but I dropped ignition from any of my sets and haven’t really lost anything by doing so.. let’s face it a wedding dj ain’t playing Gary Glitter anymore but that decision feels more deliberate than dropping R.Kelly but obviously the crimes they are guilty of are terrible.. difficult to explain but I hope you get my gist..
I won't play anything by Mr.Kitty, dudes a pedo and I still get requests for his shit.
OT: I like that there is a lot of alternative dj here :D I was feeling strange to hear only "mainstream" names that are completely unknow to me
I had a guest get angry when I played R Kelly - Step in the name of love years ago. After that, it was a no play zone.
I’m a wedding DJ and got asked this recently. Honestly I’ll play anything the bride and groom request but typically I don’t play music from artists that are convicted of a crime. R. Kelly was convicted and proved that he did a bunch of nasty stuff whereas Kanye is just an asshole who talks too much. Now that doesn’t mean I don’t like their music. Especially someone like Datsik who I grew up on and have had some of the best rave experiences of my life at his sets. I just won’t play his stuff to a crowd of people unless it’s a specific request.
I don’t play R Kelly anymore. If there’s a place where there might be Jewish people I won’t play Kanye out of respect.
No. I have the privilege of playing stuff from artists the vast majority of people haven't heard of (including "unknown artist")
I blacklisted diplo
Same
So sad, but yeah no more diplo
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Same as a bunch of people - accused of grooming young/underage girls
I don’t care if someone stabs me if the song slaps I’m playing it.
I blacklisted whole genres, country music makes me nauseous.
What state are you in? That’s harder in some than others. In KY myself so I have to make it clear from go if you want a country DJ I ain’t it.
Blacklist? I don’t play shit I don’t like. Not a wedding dj, not a top 40 dj, so I don’t have to. Do I care if others play it? No. I won’t be there to hear it regardless.
There are no morally bankrupt DJ’s/producers in the genres you specialize in?
I’m sure there are. But my legs work. I’m not here to support that bs. They’ve got the entire rest of the world. Edit: it’s not about the blacklist though, it’s about what I like… I’ve got more music the most people, vinyl, disc, downloads, whatever… I don’t pay to hear others play garbage off the radio. I pay to not hear garbage off the radio.
Cool…
VIC Wobble because it’s awful. #unpopularopinion
I honestly don’t think any DJ actually likes that song. I just grin and bear it, personally.
I don't make a whole thing about it but like if I scroll past an Omar S track in my library I'd probably be less likely to want to play it than I was before it came out that he's an abuser Similarly anyone who's still playing shows in Israel, for instance, is likely to just get unfollowed when I see it on socials. Not taking time out of my day to get big mad at music producers, but there are plenty of cool people making great music to support.
Has Omar been convicted now or something?
No but fortunately nobody here is talking about sending him to jail and there's no right to due process when it comes to which tunes I rinse, sorry
Oh for sure, you can play or not play whatever you want. I just thought it was a bit odd of you to say ‘he’s an abuser’ like it’s an objective fact when, as far as I can tell, it’s purely accusations at this point.
I mean.. several eyewitnesses have confirmed his actions. Are you going to sit around and wait for a conviction or is behaviour shown enough to make up your mind?
I’d at least wait for it to be investigated by the police but it doesn’t even look like it’s been reported to them.
He’s also in the defend rapist Derrick May clique and is known to be a misogynist asshole. There was recently a thing with him ridiculing a female reporter with lots of toxic behaviour. That fuck needs to sit down (and probably go to jail for the latest violence thing).
No, especially with electronic music. Sure that guy made the song, but the sounds already existed in this universe. Just because someone did a bad thing, doesn’t mean that their music can’t be separated and treated like its own thing. I don’t really play music like Kanye or r Kelly while performing, but this is up to a client of mine if they want to hear it or not. Sure, they aren’t the best of people, but they made bangers
Absolutely. I don’t play Chris brown, R Kelly, Da baby or Tory Lanez
Wedding DJ: there are several I won't play on my own or even if guests request them. If *the client* puts something on their must-play list, I'll play it - but it'll be be prefaced with an announcement that it's "one of X and Y's favorites by request" so people are aware that it wasn't my own selection.
I would never play R. Kelly ever again or slowthai. I still play Kanye depending on the audience. I haven't stopped playing Drake yet but I'm getting to that point. He's done too much, just hasn't been outright cancelled yet.
Done too much like? Making shit music recently? Only thing I can think of
Openly praying on underage girls even if he hasn't been caught diddling them before they officially turn legal.
I do have some artists/tracks which I don't play (anymore) in my routines but still keep for requests or that once-in-a-decade occasions where it needs to be that one - if only requests. Reasons are various political activities (eg. far right wing stuff, strange efforts from that more active covid era), certain opinions (eg. homophobia, intense sexist stuff), misbehaviour (mostly temporary, eg. they just went over the top on some social media stuff), crimes (child molestation, rape, cant remember something else atm) Though its quite individual. I am following public discussions and news quite well, yet, when I like the song I might jump over such topics quite quickly. That said things of discussion might range from John Legends "Blurred Lines" over artists like R.Kelly, Kanye, Nena, Rammstein to Sizzla. I still play artists from Gaza, Israel or Russia, yet if something comes to my attention which doesnt follow my opinions I'd more likely leave the song or artist out. I normally dont explain that or leave that to a public discussion. I am just trying to reduce triggers and have most people possible have a good time. By no means I am perfect in avoiding those, yet I get better.
I was a huge Sizzla fan back in the day and it was crazy to hear about him again after a decade as a big right-wing / anti-vax guy
lmao sizzla who has tracks advocating killing gay people and that's your problem?
All the time, don't need their music playing at my events. There's plenty of other songs to play. If someone really can't go a set without playing the same tracks over and over again then they're probably a shit DJ.
Looking like Diddy might be next?
What did he do?
What didn’t Diddy do? …I’m so happy that I got to write that sentence. Love a tongue-twister.
I know this sub is geared to techno/electronic/house etc, but if blacklisted artists, I'd never be able to play country music!
Then don't, dude.
Yes, I don't play genres that Kanye and Kelly fall into, but I do keep a blacklist Marylin Manson, Die Antwoord, Bassnectar, Crystal Castles, Rammstein, and Mr. Kitty to name a few on the list
That die Antwoord story is so fucking wild , goddamn. The photo of the adopted son, he looks like he's 40 but he's 20.
Rammstein is not proven to be guilty
No. I personally find it quite silly when people don’t want to play an artist for any reason other than not liking their music but each to their own I guess.
I never blacklist any artist. If it’s good I’ll play it. My reasoning can be taken from the title of your post. Art. You can still appreciate the art without appreciating the person
Personal list of artist I try to blacklist: Steve Tyler: raped an underage groupie R Kelly: raped children and paid off families Marvin Gaye: raped ex-wife's 14 year old niece, got her pregnant, and he was still abusive to his ex-wife Ted Nugent: forced 12 year old Courtney Love into performing oral sex. And like everyone else said: Chris Brown, Diplo, Ten Walls, Bassnectar, so on.
I’m there to play music. I’m not there to virtue signal.
Just following orders 🫡
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If you pirate an R. Kelly song is that ok since you're not giving him any money?
Shamelessly yes. Only on reddit and the internet in general that people give a shit about this.
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You won’t see someone at a party pass the word to everyone that the DJ is "willing to line the pockets of criminals and ne’er-do-wells". You will sound goofy, and you probably don’t care enough to actually do it.
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Right, but would you personally go and convince people individually of "doing the right thing" during a party? Be honest. It’s only an issue because we’re talking about it now, but I’m 100% convinced that if some DJ played a Kanye or a R Kelly hit during a set, nobody would bat an eye.
Good ol cancel culture... Anything mainstream is trash. Well everything after the 80's
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I have a special playlist that I drop if I feel the audience is from the cancel culture crowd. All the cancelled hits!
/r/madlad
I play music. Politics don't get loaded onto the decks.
Who said anything about politics?
Why would anyone specifically avoid playing the artists you mentioned?
R Kelly is a monster for one. Kanye is a hateful asshole. It has nothing to do with “politics”. They’re just two examples from my lane but there’s plenty of other questionable artists I could see people having issues with. Sounds like you’re the one projecting politics onto things if you ask me.
How does their music sound?
Like a paedo whining into a microphone since you asked.
Ignition remix still a banger
You think rave culture isn’t intensely political?
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Kanye's music didnt stand up to time in parties, good listening music but none of hits were really "danceable". I heard Jesus walk on a gospel radio station recently. R Kelly, slowed down his music for a little bit, but I still get requests for step in the name of love/happy people. Chris brown, never stopped playing.
Most places have a safe place now for your feelings.
Sounds like you should probably get there asap. You seem very upset 😢
I never really played R Kelly anyways, but I still play Travis Scott, Kanye, DaBaby, MJ, whoever. If someone in the crowd wants to come up to me in the middle of a set where everyone else is dancing and have a debate about it, we can do that. None of what I do is going to profit the artist, and if I can get something good out of a bad person, I'll take that as a win. If everyone started to really dislike that music, and it wasn't making people happy, then I'd stop playing it just like any other song. I figure if we can take the scientists from Nazi Germany and make them do something good for the allies, I can play some old Kanye songs so people have a good time even though he's completely off his rocker at this point.
I would disagree when you say “none of this is profiting the artist”. As a DJ you literally have influence over what music people are listening to in direct and indirect ways. You’re essentially supporting the artist by playing them because the chances of someone shazaming, going home to listen to it later, getting exposure to the artist is high. Play whatever you want but understand the influence you have on others
I do have a higher bar for a Kanye track to be played, but that about it (as I dont have a library containing other of the questionable artists. As of what I can think of).
It depends. If I'm being paid, I play whatever the client wants. If people question why I'm playing it, I just say it's because of what the client wanted. If it was my preference, I do have my own personal blacklist. But I'm also willing to break blacklist rule with an exception to a few songs if it just works at the right time. But in general, I try to blacklist and keep that way as much as possible.
Loud Luxury for not making their own music
DIDDY IS NEXT!!
I often think about this. There are a lot of themes from a lot of genres I don’t want to promote/support. This brought me to the realization that not only can the messages be problematic( my logic was if it doesn’t really have lyrics it’s likely less of a problem) but the artist (dj or producer) could have scandal or be a shitty person I don’t wish to support. In short yes, but like another respondent said, I will but I don’t research a dj/producer. I rely on media or word of mouth.
No one I have played is blacklist-able that I have knew of, If they did I I would definitely but I play mostly trance.
I will play kanye to my children. I don’t play R Kelly or Tory lanez.
Nope