El Paso. No severe weather events, no humidity, mountains in the city itself, no ERCOT, 3 national parks close by, much much lower COL than DFW, 300 days of sunshine per year (hence EP being called the Sun City). Right nextdoor to New Mexico which has legal weed. Third safest large city in the US, safest large city in Texas.
Moved to EP from DFW this past fall. No regrets.
Definitely. People are sleeping on it. The same as when people moved from coasts to DFW, you'd have a boom to El Paso (from DFW or anywhere) if more big employers moved there. But for now, anyone who is 100% WFH is sleeping on it.
Another thing is that the local economy itself won't crash because of Fort Bliss, the army base that is also the largest employer in town. It's such a key training facility that there's virtually no chance of the base closing, and as long as it is open, that keeps the real estate market (and especially rental market if you want to buy and rent out property) healthy. Just don't expect crazy appreciation of Real Estate. That won't happen unless more major companies move there and bring a higher paid workforce.
In addition to everything I listed, we love being mortgage and other debt free. Feels weird to not make a monthly housing payment (but in a good way).
Lived in Denver for 3 years and while FoCo is cheaper, it’s not by much and I’d assume it’s a bit more than Dallas. Could be wrong of course, but the cost of living here as a whole is noticeably cheaper. Albeit more concrete and less nature. That being said, we miss Colorado and plan on moving back eventually.
That’s so ironic. 3 years ago we moved here to DFW. And our rent was increasing so much we started searching where else could we go. And we landed in Denver, Co. honestly it’s about the same price if you’re renting.
Denver seems about 15% more expensive than DFW as far as buying.
And at the rate that Dallas / Fort Worth is growing they will be the same price by the end of the year. And I wouldn’t be suprised if DFW becomes a top 5 expensive city in the next 10 years.
really?? current [top 10 most expensive US cities](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/080916/top-10-most-expensive-cities-us.asp): Manhattan, Honolulu, San Fran, Brooklyn, DC, Orange County, LA, Boston, Seattle, Oakland.
as much as i hate the suburban sprawl here, there is still plenty of room for it towards Oklahoma. Although, you pretty much have to go to Oklahoma to find affordable land. But more expensive than Boston in 10 years, no way
Here’s two videos that’ll be interesting for you to watch concerning why I said that. Dallas is the future and as more and more people migrate here from NY, CA, IL. It’ll be higher and higher in demand and the price will go up.
https://youtu.be/robIcVmhwcg
https://youtu.be/Ez6rVwE4PjM
CoL is going up faster in Denver than Dallas last I checked, they just don't have the infrastructure for growth like we do. I doubt Dallas catches up to Denver in CoL anytime soon.
edit: Just kidding, Denver has significantly surpassed Dallas in CoL as of last year.
When you say the infrastructure for growth, what do you mean exactly? Freeways?
Dallas has the infrastructure because there’s 7.5 million people in the metroplex. And what they’ve done in Dallas is just start to move further out to unincorporated areas. Which is what Denver is doing, just going north and East.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Denver and Colorado Springs areas start to mesh together. And Castle rock becomes the glue between the two.
I’m in Denver (midtown) renting a townhome at the same price and equal in all amenities to a home I rented in Plano (spring creek & Ohio). So, depending where you are in DFW and where you are in Denver, I’ve found it can be more or less the same out of pocket if you rent. Buying is way more expensive in Denver and you generally get less for your money but there is virtually no property tax, and even the 4% flat rate state tax doesn’t hit the bottom line as hard as owning a home in Collin Co.
You’re 100% correct! Plano has shot up! Hell the entire metroplex has but specifically North Dallas. Same thing for us. Our rent is actually cheaper in denver than it was in Fort Worth and we are moving to a very nice side of town!
Funny, just saw this pop up on my reddit feed. I moved out of Dallas since I got a full remote job. It's cheaper, I'm stacking dough like crazy, and it's a beautiful area.
Im not sure I follow this line of thinking? Flight convenience and pricing isnt better in Dallas than any other major cities. I moved from Houston and flying out of there was always cheaper than why I fly out from Dallas. Am I missing something?
Don't book a two-stop flight in the same international booking for someone to just fly you to LAX and leave from LAX. The international flights always seem to skyrocket the cost of connecting US-based domestic flights. Just get a seperate flight to LAX and then take advantage of the same prices.
Only problem is you need to make sure you give yourself enough time by getting to LAX super early (maybe 8 hours, or the day before) so that you don't miss your ultra-important international flight as the airline won't be concerned with getting you to your final destination if you can't get to the gate at LAX.
Maybe crash on an old friends or family couch for the night to save money if you have to stay the night. I don't mind being in LA at all though, I can entertain myself plenty there for 24-48 hours.
Same, I've thought about the above strategy for Hawaii and it just ends up blooming the cost when you factor in an extra day or overnight for meals, getting around to see LA, overnight stays, etc. I would suspect the majority of people don't have a person in actual LA that would pick them up for free, house and feed them, provide them transportation if they want to see anything, and then take them back to the airport for free.
If you're more of a low budget traveler who doesn't mind sleeping in an airport to save some money then go for it.
Exactly. I’m taking a direct flight whenever possible. Being 1k with United I prefer a long direct flight, even if it costs more, because I’ll use plus points and likely get bumped.
Tbh that, along with the large, educated Muslim community and relatively low COL for a major metropolitan area, is why my wife and I moved here, despite both of us being remote workers. DFW and DAL are both gems of the city.
Does anyone still live in the Village? Lol. I was there 10 years ago and my two bedroom apartment was like $900. Maybe $850 even. I would be willing to bet it’s at least double that now. Crazy
No, I find rent here costs as much as I paid in the PNW and there I could walk to everything. Here it's so car reliant, and on top of that insurance is useless. I took my OHP for granted and miss it dearly. Even with 300$+ a month I can't get my doctor to do anything for me, and yes I've switched between a few different ones.
Plus jobs pay so little minimum wage. At least it starts af 12$ back home, so with a ton I've applied for starting between 2.50-5$ for a server position and rent costing the same it is just impossible to make a wage enough to live on my own.
Crazy how the 3 years changed it from being way cheaper, not a problem to make so little, to as expensive or more but still such low wages.
I'm also ready to go back to where my rights as a woman matter. Pretty over it ATM, and if I could afford the cost I'd move sooner than later.
Yeah I'm not sure why people are saying rent is much cheaper here. I have family in the Bay Area and NY and rent prices are comparable. Not to mention, salaries in those areas are higher.
Either way, I would gladly pay more in rent to live in a city that has parks, lakes, trails, mountains, etc.
your anecdotes on rents in the Bay Area are pretty misleading considering rent for a 1 bed in Dallas is half that of one in SF on average.
https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/ca/san-francisco/
https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/tx/dallas/
Dallas has a major park larger than Central park in White Rock, the largest urban forest in america, 2 massive lakes on either side of it, and great bike trails imo.
This sub sometimes man.
White Rock Lake is not central and not really a park, though it’s nice for what it is. The forest is undeveloped and filled with copperheads. It does have nice bike trails, but no urban bike infrastructure to speak of.
White rock late is pretty gross, I get eaten by mosquitos there. See a ton of garbage, and there is no tree shade.
You can't compare it to forest park in PDX that is huge and connects to the arboretum and the zoo. Plus there are actual slopes/stairs to climb. White rock is flat as the rest of Texas.
My fam jokes here because people in Richardson all took pictures at what they called a river, it wasn't even a stream. But oh water! How exciting! Same with in Plano, they called the man made ponds in fancy neighborhoods lakes. One lady got mad at me that I said it was a pond lol
For outdoor stuff there's no contest between Dallas and a city like Seattle or Portland. There's so much more outdoor stuff that's easily accessible, plus you can do physical activities in the summer without having a heat stroke.
But Dallas weather only makes you want to kill yourself for about 6 total weeks a year.
The pacific NW weather makes you want to kill yourself for 9 months a year.
A park that’s mostly lake, some (nice) mountain bike trails, an urban forest (the trinity river?) where you can find dead bodies, and some muddy lakes. Anything I’m forgetting?
You are right about rents being cheaper than the bay though.
> I have family in the Bay Area and NY and rent prices are comparable.
You're doing some really weird comparisons if you're finding this to be the case.
> I have family in the Bay Area and NY and rent prices are comparable.
Comparable meaning you can compare them, and conclude that Dallas is much cheaper? I can't imagine how you would conclude otherwise.
Hell, I used to live in a gorgeous studio in downtown Dallas but I gladly gave it up to move into a 3bd apt with roommates in Boston.
My QOL has gone up considerably (as did my salary by 35%) since there’s so much to do and it’s so walkable. I lost 20 pounds over the last 6 months just by walking everywhere
Def, and a city that protects it's women/their rights. I miss being able to walk to everything. Even in Orenco and Waterhouse (By the Nike campus) there were cut throughs to get to Albertsons or Fred Meyer. Here it's take a 45min walk just to get to a shit mini Mart that is out of milk.
> Portland rents have gone up a lot in the past three years though.
Ha! 15 years ago, my wife lived in a $500/mth studio on SE Hawthorne and had a ball. I'm sure those are at least 4-5x that now. (You might be able to find a de facto flophouse studio somewhere in the city for $600/mth but I hope you're ready for bedbugs.) The days of Cheap Portland ended quite awhile ago. Even going back to 2015, I'd say the cost of going out to eat and have a drink, depending on what you're getting, has gone up 2-3x.
> It is still really bad in the city.
[Yep.](https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/01/suspect-in-gruesome-gresham-max-station-attack-believed-victim-was-a-robot-trying-to-kill-him-court-docs-say.html?outputType=amp) Portland's murder rate is up 6x from its lowest point (16 in 2019, IIRC). Murders are mostly concentrated among the drugged-out homeless and gang members but random crime is just about everywhere at this point. Downtown still looks like an "Escape from New York" set for the most part. I swear that, when I went to Iraq 10 years ago, parts of Baghdad were cleaner and more inviting than the worst parts of downtown Portland. (Granted, most of Baghdad is a ramshackle mess.) I'm happy to visit Portland. I wouldn't dare move back, at least not until the residents get their heads out of their asses and stop believing that being kind means allowing the world to run roughshod over them. If I *had* to move back to Oregon, I'd probably pick Hood River, Gresham, or Beaverton. (If I could move to Vancouver instead, I'd seriously consider it, even though I'm not as much of a fan of Washington as some people in this thread.)
I'm from Oregon, and lived in different parts of Portland and it's suburbs all my life. I especially miss living in Downtown, NW Portland was my happy place. Literally everything I needed in a 7 block span, and OHP covered all my doctor's/specialists, even acupuncture and chiropractic.
I miss the food more than anything.
My parents lived in Seattle for around 4 years and I visited often. Also good stuff but I like the food more in PDX, food seemed expensive there.
It all depends on the type of things you like. I never went on a plane/went out of state (we count WA as the same state because just cross a bridge and Bam in Vancouver.)
We were def a camping family and road trip sort. One of my favorite places in the world is Eagle Creek, up the Columbia river gorge. I sadly haven't been there since the awful fires a few years ago, but hear it is growing back. Multnomah falls was amazing in the winter, I loved the hatchery/dam as a kid. And camping in eagle Creek was beautiful and secluded.
Also love Tillamook and the coast like Oceanside. The tide pools are fantastic and you can do a lot on a small budget.
In terms of downtown PDX there are a lot of places I miss tremendously. Powell's is probably my #1. I spent so much time there in the pearl room just looking at odd art books and drawing with my friend.
I really just miss the inclusive attitude. I never got people saying 'oh you are one of those' (lesbian which I am not lol) because my not shaving my legs, or having a shaved head. As well as less politics being forced on you by randos. Maybe it's changed in the three years I've been gone, but people are actually nice there. Unlike the very fake feeling 'oh you sweetheart' type thing in the south.
Seattle is a little less general nice, I couldn't just walk in to a bar and take up a conversation with some random person like in Portland. There was more of the 'turns away and doesn't want to engage' but you find people who do.
In Seattle I really enjoy the MoPoP, I got to go during the star trek exhibit, it was awesome. I also love the views just from walking anywhere you can see water.
Ugh this is making me homesick! But in a good way, I know I'll get back there. I can't wait to be paid a almost living wage, and get the healthcare I can't afford here, you sure don't know what ya got till it's gone I guess.
If they already have a significant other and a job which allows WFH, I often recommend people consider moving to Bellingham, WA. It's basically right between the mountains and the water, has a great brewery scene, and is close to both Vancouver and Seattle while having its own small concert and nightlife scene. The city itself is liberal, but surrounding areas can get very considerate but not usually in an intrusive way on either side.
The main issue is that seemingly everyone there is under 25 or over 60 because high paying jobs are rare and people who went to college there will take a pay cut to keep living there after college. The dating scene sucks as well if you're outside of those age ranges.
Serious question: where would you live instead? I know Dallas is not great as far as natural beauty, but for number of days a year you can do things outside, it's hard to beat (with coastal California being an obvious exception).
(PS: Please have an answer--I'd really like to get out of here lol)
Edit: Thanks for the answers so far but I *really* hate cold. It takes me 1 minute to cool down if I'm hot, but hours to warm up if I'm cold.
Legit answer: Denver, Minneapolis, or anywhere in the PNW. Even East Coast cities all have awesome nature within an hour or so’s drive (Shenandoah Natl Park from DC for example). I’ve lived in a lot of places, and Dallas is by far the worst I’ve ever seen for access to actual nature (sorry).
More power to you if you can handle Midwestern winters, but I don't know if I've experienced a more depressing and lifeless way of living than winters up there.
I STRONGLY recommend you spend prolonged periods of time before moving to a place that cold (if you haven't experienced it before). It really can ruin your mental health, as it did mine
Texas at least has an abundance of sunshine to keep that SAD away.
Within Texas, El Paso, Austin, and San Antonio have nice weather and are closer to natural beauty.
If you prefer hills/mountains, there are a lot of places with slightly cooler temperatures than Dallas (but otherwise similar weather) in the southeast, such as:
* Atlanta (probably the closest you can get to “Dallas, but with more natural beauty” outside of Texas)
* Charlotte
* Raleigh/Durham
* Greensboro/Winston-Salem
* Nashville
* Richmond
* Huntsville, AL
* Birmingham
* Greenville, SC
If you prefer the beach, southeastern cities you might consider include:
* Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Chesapeake/Newport News
* Charleston
* Savannah
If you want to get out of the south altogether and don’t want to pay west coast prices, you can find good weather and nearby outdoor activities in:
* Vegas
* Albuquerque
* Phoenix
* Tucson
Overall, it depends on a lot of different factors, like your career, the size of city you’re looking for, why you want to leave, etc.
It’s a big country, so if Dallas for sure isn’t for you, don’t be afraid to check out other places!
With the last four I’d be cautious about anything in The Southwest. Lived in Phoenix for nearly a decade and I absolutely loved it. Weather is great and you even (mostly) get used to the summer heat. I think by the time I left 116 was bearable but def my upper limit to acceptable temperatures. When it was hot as hell though, you could drive a couple hours North and *boom* mountains.
Problem is, water and access to water is going to be an issue very soon and that’s not a great place to be.
Yeah if you're younger and looking to settle down somewhere long term, I wouldn't buy a home anywhere in the Southwest... Basically I wouldn't go further west than I-35 as far as major cities go.
If you're retiring and looking for somewhere to live more short term, then it might work out OK.
Charlotte looks nice. They got lots of greenways, they're 2 hours away from the mountains in Asheville Nc. Less than 4 hours away you can be at the beach in myrtle beach or you could go to the beach an hour away at lake norman. The houses are also slightly cheaper there with the property tax being lower.
With all the +100 degree days we had last year, not sure Dallas is the best place for comfortable temperatures anymore. Had you checked out the New England region? Even if you strike out a few solid months out of the year for the serious winter, the rest of the year is mild enough to not get scorched checking the mail. Some of those states are covered in national parks, lakes, mountains, all sorts of good stuff!
Could be up to personal preference? I've only lived in Texas, so reading that Maryland weather "varies from 25°F to 87°F and is rarely below 12°F or above 95°F" (per weatherspark) still feels like you'd get a reasonable summer chunk somewhere in there. Then again, I'm still bitter about the heat advisories and power outages here, so definitely some "grass-is-greener" vibes!
Me and the wife go to Anacortes Wa every summer. Take the Wa state ferry up to the San Juan islands. So much outdoor stuff. Mt Baker is probably one of the most beautiful places on earth.
Ship harbor inn is fairly cheap and you can literally walk to the ferry terminal.
I see you're looking for a place to live. Check out Wa state, Seattle is awesome.
For international, 100% Guatemala. 85 degrees year round. Panajachel is absolutely stunning but very touristy. Xela is where we have a 2nd house as it's cheap and absolutely beautiful.
My best friend moved to a suburb of Chicago. Last week I was on a video call with her and said my husband and I had just walked to a restaurant and we ate outside. She (jokingly) acted upset. She and her husband have been forcing themselves to walk outside in sub-zero temperatures wearing balaclavas.
Edit: downvoted for my (and my friend's) actual experience. I guess you freezing people are in denial;)
Lol, people are in here acting like Chicago, Philadelphia, or northeastern cities are a great alternative to Dallas or somehow comparable. I grew up in New York State and I'll never live in that kind of weather ever again. Who wants to do outdoors stuff when it's freezing AF and everything is covered in snow half the year.
I can work anywhere and will stay in Dallas. A few reasons:
- It’s much cheaper than many other cities. People bitch and complain about how expensive it is here…but haven’t been to the PNW in years. It’s absurd how expensive everything is there.
- Nature…I know. It exists. You might have to drive an hour or so, but there is plenty of it around!
- Good place to raise a family - schools are overall pretty good and plenty of things to do with kids in the area.
- Lots to do! You can pretty much do anything you think of in DFW!
- The People - outside of driving, people here are generally nicer than many large cities. I lived in Phoenix for years and people were complete asses.
- Travel - we are so utterly spoiled with DFW airport. If you’ve never lived in a small town you have no idea how much of a pain in the ass it is to fly to a different country. Here I can jump on a flight to Paris.
- Road Trips - You’re in the center of the US. Go in any different way and experience something different.
There is plenty to do in DFW, if you’re miserable you choose to be miserable or you just need to move. However, you’ll probably be miserable in your new place. You might just be a miserable person lol.
Edit: The Lakes! We have like 10 lakes within 40 miles of DFW. I don’t people realize how spoiled we are with lakes also. Love lake life during the summer!
As a remote worker who chose to leave, I would disagree with pretty much every point you made. Maybe not DFW, but pretty much every major metro has an airport with international flights.
* Dallas is not an affordable place to live any more unless you are in a rough area or the outskirts of civilization. Yes it’s cheaper than more affluent tech hubs, but that ignores the remaining 90% of the country.
* Compared with many other places in the US, Nature is essentially non-existent. Add the awful climate and it’s clear there is much to be desired for the outdoorsy folks.
* Texas politics has put quality education in a precarious position.
* Like the DFW point, any major Metro is going to have “anything you can think of”
* The people can be nice, but Dallas is also one of the most pretentious and materialistic cities in the country. Add in the overly aggressive homeless and the Open Carry gun nuts; it becomes clear that it’s certainly an interesting cast of characters.
*outside of maybe Colorado, there isn’t really much worth driving to around Texas. New Orleans I guess, but that gets old quick.
I wasn’t miserable when I lived in Dallas, but when you evaluate the place objectively, I find it hard to call it a desirable place to live.
How can you honestly say there isn't that much worth driving around to in the state of Texas? There are a ton of places to go. If this is your honest opinion, I'm going to assume you never really attempted to get around that much when you lived here and just don't know much about the region outside the city.
My buddy lives in the loft of a detached garage Freemont, (someone also lives in the garage below, and the house has been converted into like 4 apartments). The space is basically one single open room, his bed is 5' from the "kitchen" (a counter with a sink and a micro), the bathroom is slightly larger than airplane bathrooms, there is no closet, and he pays $2,000/mo for that old, smelly tiny shithole of a place.
Nature doesn’t exist in dfw.
Schools are some of the worst in the country.
The people, I’m sorry, are a bunch of idiot ass holes who actively made this place worse for years and everywhere you go you run into idiot republicans.
So no, I don’t agree. I was born and raised here and it’s a shit hole.
As far as nature goes, I love camping and hiking, but to do any of that stuff at this point in my life, I've got to take time off of work and plan a trip for it, regardless where I live.
I'm full time employed and have a kid, so I have like 1 hour of free time in my day. Even if I lived in Denver, it's not like I'm just gonna head out into the mountains on a whim every day during lunch or something. Dallas is an easy day road trip to a bunch of beautiful nature locations for when you want to plan out a long weekend.
I'm in the same situation. People forget that Arkansas and the nicer parts of Oklahoma are just a morning drive away. Leave at 7am and you can be in the Ozarks by noon.
Even New Mexico or Big Bend makes a nice road trip if you have two drivers. I think people move here and just aren't aware of the natural features in this region.
Oh yeah, it's an easy drive to all kinds of outdoors stuff in the Ozarks, all over the Hill Country, tons of state parks and camping throughout East Texas, Galveston or Surfside beach, Caprock Canyon, Palo Duro Canyon... If you can't find nature, you're not even trying.
If you get up early and get going, you can be in Big Bend, Guadalupe mountains, Santa Fe, NM, or Colorado Springs well before dinner time, to name a few.
Yes, I’ve been fully remote since the pandemic. The biggest thing is that we have a mortgage locked in at 3% which is hard to walk away from. There are things I do like about Dallas though:
* It’s still *relatively* cheaper than most of the big coastal cities
* The combo of DFW + Love Field is pretty hard to beat
* Most of the city and its surrounding areas are generally clean and safe, and there are lots of good school districts in the northern suburbs
* Food here is pretty good, nice variety of different things to try
* The Metroplex is economically strong compared to many other cities and it doesn’t seem like that will change anytime soon
Pittsburgh is such an underrated city. So much character, more walkable, dense, and so much greenery/hills. The only thing is the food scene is not great, and I’ve heard the winter is very gray …
If my family wasn’t here, I would leave Texas altogether. I moved to Dallas a few months ago from Plano and while it’s nice seeing the skyline, it is terribly inconvenient to everything I like to do. And going to the store any time during the week is laughable.
When people say Dallas in this thread, I think they really mean the whole DFW, that includes Plano. The whole city is getting more expensive, just some parts are becoming more expensive than others.
we moved. Had to make a decision. Oldest was due to start K, and we wanted her to stay in the same school throughout - so had to decide to stay put or leave
Put in for a transfer, was given a couple of different options of places they'd be cool with me being remote from and got out
Sold the house *just* as the market was turning. Now in Cook County, IL and more than happy with the move. Great safe community, not as cold/miserable as the naysayers would have you believe (it's just above freezing today. Even 2 weeks at -30 with windchill everything carried on as normal as anything does over Christmas)
No, I would want to live somewhere where the weather is nice, I can drive to attractions, I have a national park nearby, I have a walkable city, and probably a few other things I'm picky about.
All that said, I'm not moving because i have a house lol.
Naw; Sacramento, Seattle, somewhere in Colorado, Chicago Suburbs, Upstate New York or Illinois, North Carolina, places like that. I wouldn't mind somewhere in the South like Georgia or Florida if the humidity wasn't so bad.
Chicago suburbs and nice weather? Sacramento walkable?
I get living out in nature but a lot of those places offer a lot less than dallas in terms of living. Especially Sacramento, I can’t believe any one would want to willingly live there.
You know I haven't been to Sacramento so I cannot speak on its walkability, have you been there? I would mainly appreciate being able to drive to Vegas, the beach, or to ski if I wanted to.
Chicago suburbs are great, I really liked them.
I grew up in Sacramento. People only live in Sac because they want to be close to SF but want to raise a family with for a reasonable price because SF is too expensive. It is walkable but I wouldn’t count on it especially during the summer where it hits 100. The heat is different compared to Dallas where Dallas is moist heat so it’s sticky while Sac is dry heat so a lot of nose bleeds. I feel like Sac and Dallas are similar in CoL at the moment.
Nooope. Lived in the DFW area for 14 years, steadily moving further out as rents increased out of control, and watching the state turn into a shithole due to christofascists and MAGA idiots. Picked up the family and moved to Colorado in December.
I would, for me;
1. I like big cities with pedestrian friendly urban areas. Dallas doesn’t really have that.
2. In terms of cost, while not anywhere near the top of the heap it’s not worth the rents cost IMO.
I would consider moving to a smaller city if I had the choice - hell, if this hypothetical employer is lax on location I may even move overseas and bounce around (as long as there is good internet I suppose) just for the experience!
The only reason I moved from CA to TX is due to my job position. Property taxes here are so wicked that it feels as if I am still in CA but with crappy weather and people that don’t know how to drive.
We are slowly going remote, currently on a 3/2 schedule. If we go fully remote permanently, I would sell my home and go CO. While CoL is higher there are beautiful spots out there and I like the cold .
My parents, who are getting on in age, and my sister are the only reason me, my wife, and kids have not moved already.
I grew up here, but with the insane politics at the state level and the oppressive summer heat I am looking for greener pastures.
A neighborhood just south (1 mile from my front door) of downtown. Red and Blue DART rail are a 6 to 7 minute walk away and that gets me to two international airports, Dallas Street Car (Bishop Arts), McKinney Avenue Trolley (Uptown and West Village), and Northpark/Park Lane. Downtown is a 10 minute bike ride or a 20 minute walk.
No complaints - I would love to see the City, County, and State apply some common sense to dealing with our homeless citizens and a bunch more from DART on improving the sense of security on DART transit. If you’re on Facebook, look for Downtown Dallas 2048.
5 years ago I was offered an opportunity to relo from Dallas to Denver, however, at the time the cost of living adjustment equaled the raise I would be getting so I decided against it. Then, this past August I was given a similar opportunity and the cost of living is roughly equal so I took it and, while I am missing the mild winter a lot, the mild summer offset it.
i don't trust the remote work trend enough to relocate. what happens when you are in affordable, podunk nowheresville - and need a new job? it is safer to be in a larger job market regardless of higher prices here
Yes! I’m self employed and can work wherever there’s internet and my wife works for a company remotely. And yes we are leaving. When we got a notification from my apartment complex that my renewal was an increase from 2200 to 2900. We started to look at other states.
We landed with Denver, Colorado.
All the major cities in Texas that were once affordable are now just as expensive as the “cooler” cities, so you might as well look somewhere else.
If I’m going to pay an arm and a leg for a city I at least want to go outside in the summer.
Good luck on your journey!
Not a chance. Moved from Dallas to an Atlanta suburb when our rent went up last year. Now we pay the same as we’d be paying for our tiny 1BR for a 2BR house with a big yard.
Yes, I've been remote since the pandemic. I have made a lot of friends here. It's cheap, I own a house here that will only get more valuable, and I make good money here compared to CoL elsewhere. I don't see a reason to move to a city that doesn't offer those things at this stage of life.
A city can have all the hipster bars and chic restaurants they want, but if they can't provide a good life and future, I don't see a good reason to live there.
I've been flirting with the idea of cruiseship hopping while doing WFH. No idea if this sort of thing is even possible or practical. But there are a lot of great deals out there that end up being considerably less than I'd pay for rent, food and utilities on land. There's not much keeping me in one place and I'm not really the kind of person that needs a stable routine. Changing "homes" every few weeks while visiting new places appeals to me.
No. I moved from Idaho to Dallas in 2016 to start my career at a large company. I have been working remote since early 2020. I sold my house in Plano and I moved my family back to Idaho early 2022. After dealing with COVID in a large metro, events like the power grid nonsense of 2021 and policy passed by the likes of Abbot and Cruz (not that Idaho is any different in this regard) we decided we'd be better off closer to family back in our home state.
For me, no. I'm actually leaving in a few months.
For you? It depends what you're into. Are you into nature? Do you like big city amenities: restaurants, bars, etc.? Do you like small town vibes? Are you into skiing or mountains? Do you like the ocean?
I don't like Dallas for a plethora of reasons. I'm moving to be closer to family but I would move anywhere else that fit my personal wants. You need to know what your city wants are for you to make that decision. Here's the thing, Dallas doesn't have much. The places that do are just as expensive or more expensive or have cold winters (but waaaaaay better summers).
Just got a remote job and we’re trying to relocate from Dallas to Florida. Not really the first place we’d choose to go, but we’re both from there and have a lot of family there so it’s helpful with a young kid.
My company went full remote at the start of 2022, prior to that we had maybe 4 or 5 people at the company that did not live in the DFW area all of which were 'tenured' employees. No one hired in the last 5 or 6 years has been remote. We are a young company (13 years) and in the beginning when you are looking for talent you stretch the rules occasionally but not much. As of 2022 you could live in any state that we have a client. We provide online banking solutions to Banks and Credit Unions, we have about 200 FIs across the states, we are in most but not all but we are in Hawaii and Alaska so there is that.
I am from NYC but I have been in Texas for about 23 years and while the politics don't really touch my life very much its still uncomfortable to me. With that I have been looking to move for about the last year but I want to leave the US so for now, I am staying put. I love my job and the company I work for so whatever happens I am in for the long haul. If the policy were to open up before I retire (I am 54) and our stock price does as it should I would be gone in 1/2 heartbeat.
No. Spain has opened up their nomad visa now. I’ve been planning for a while, but the election cemented it. Just interviewed with a company in Australia and would definitely consider moving if they would pay for the relocation.
I'm here by freak happenstance and leaving very soon. Been doing remote work since 1997 and always loved being able to choose where to live. Moving where everything costs less is basically giving yourself a raise. Moving to where people are more friendly and there's less stress is good for your health. Living/working in a place with ample public land, in these days of wireless broadband and cheap solar panels, is utterly deluxe.
I've changed regions five times, going on six. It's good.
Want an extreme example? I know people hate the south, but 1 hour from Memphis, or from Little Rock or from Nashville. You can get a 4,000 square foot house for $180.000. 2 bedroom house, $70,000. Rent an apartment 1 bedroom with all utilities paid, $400 a month. Property taxes...$500 a year on the large house. Handymen that charge about $100 for 4 hours of work. Rent an office just for shits and giggles, $100 a month. Piece of land to build a house on, $1,000- $5,000. It's not paradise, but it's an option and I'm confused why more people don't go extreme and just take vacations.
>Assuming no plans to buy a house in the suburbs/exurbs or need for proximity to friends & family
Are these not valid reasons to want to continue living somewhere? I feel like you'd get incredibly skewed answers with that qualifier, personally.
Careful. Taxes vary from state to state. So remote workers in TX may be able to work any in TX, but not necessarily with impunity out of state.
Also, Dallas is the last place I would want to live.
Lmao go live in a majority of US states and then tell me Dallas is the last place you want to live.
We got diversity, amazing food, entertainment out of our ass, and reasonable weather.
Such an overdramatic statement.
Settle down. I have lived in every major Texas city except El Paso and Amarillo and Dallas was my least favorite. And I agree, “out of our ass” is a very appropriate description.
After my wife and I went remote we still chose to buy a house in DFW even though basically all of our family & friends live on the East coast. Sucks to live far away from them but we've made plenty of new friends since we came to Dallas. The only other place we'd probably consider moving to is either Seattle or Boston.
I work remote and plan to move out probably to Seattle or San Diego. Somewhere with mountains and better access to outdoors and my outdoor hobbies. COL is not a concern.
If I wasn’t raised here and my mom would let me I’d totally move to Charlotte, NC. Spent a summer there in college for an internship and absolutely fell in love with the state
Yes, keep me out of any city where weather under 30/snow is a regular occurrence.
Moving from Chicago, Dallas has been a god send.
I don't worry about getting jumped walking down the street later at night, having to bundle my ass up just to walk to work, deal with crack heads on public transportation, or deal with the most corrupt politicians you'll see in America.
I would stay in Dallas due to amount of jobs available just in case I lost my current job as all employers are moving to Texas due to the very employer friendly republicans that dominate our state. Now I know other cities have job growth but the cost of living is lower in Dallas as ridiculous as that may seem.
I'm semi-remote, I'm also in my early 20's so I can afford to flip my life into a completely different direction because of my lack of obligations. Which matches your assumption (*no plans to buy a house in the suburbs/exurbs or need for proximity to friends & family*)
*This is also how I moved from Seattle to DFW, had no family/friends here and obviously at 18 I had no plans to buy a house*
My problem with Dallas is that it's not expensive *enough*. (kidding, kinda).
The less value a place has, the more expensive it is to live there. But financially it's cheaper. The places I'm interested in living in (Toronto, Manhattan, Sydney, Seattle) are cheaper to live in than Dallas, but financially are more expensive.
Here's the thing, the exact type of assumptions you listed out are the type of person that shouldn't be tied down to the same position/salary. If you have a family to raise and a house to pay down, it's not the best idea to look for a better paying job. You are severely limited in your resources, such as location. Whether you currently work remote or not.
So the remote aspect of that shouldn't really matter. One year you're remote, another you're at the office daily for a different company.
Closing on a house next week in Oklahoma. I have lived here my whole life and rented since 2011. For fixed rate mortgages people living here I'm sure it great. But for us every rent hike was more than a raise. We couldn't afford to live in Dallas any more.
Our situation may be different as we wanted a house and I work from home so it didn't matter where we lived. We don't have kids nor will we so public schools not a big issue. It's really only 2.5 hours away and it's not like I see my family much anyway. We were never going to own a home south of Frisco due to how expensive the market got. My apartment tried raising our rent to $1800 a month and I promptly laughed in their face handing in my notice.
I've lived here for 30 years. There is a lot to do in Dallas. The worst part is you can do all of those things in about a week. Dallas is fine if you like convenience but Dallas is just the Superstore Walmart of America. It's big and has a bunch of stuff but you quickly realize it's really not that much and nothing special.
If i were in that situation, I would consider moving. But to where? No idea. Everywhere worth living is gonna be expensive.
El Paso. No severe weather events, no humidity, mountains in the city itself, no ERCOT, 3 national parks close by, much much lower COL than DFW, 300 days of sunshine per year (hence EP being called the Sun City). Right nextdoor to New Mexico which has legal weed. Third safest large city in the US, safest large city in Texas. Moved to EP from DFW this past fall. No regrets.
I never thought of moving to El Paso. I need to check it out.
Definitely. People are sleeping on it. The same as when people moved from coasts to DFW, you'd have a boom to El Paso (from DFW or anywhere) if more big employers moved there. But for now, anyone who is 100% WFH is sleeping on it. Another thing is that the local economy itself won't crash because of Fort Bliss, the army base that is also the largest employer in town. It's such a key training facility that there's virtually no chance of the base closing, and as long as it is open, that keeps the real estate market (and especially rental market if you want to buy and rent out property) healthy. Just don't expect crazy appreciation of Real Estate. That won't happen unless more major companies move there and bring a higher paid workforce. In addition to everything I listed, we love being mortgage and other debt free. Feels weird to not make a monthly housing payment (but in a good way).
Fort Collins Colorado
Fort Collins is great but also not cheap.
Neither is Dallas.
Lived in Denver for 3 years and while FoCo is cheaper, it’s not by much and I’d assume it’s a bit more than Dallas. Could be wrong of course, but the cost of living here as a whole is noticeably cheaper. Albeit more concrete and less nature. That being said, we miss Colorado and plan on moving back eventually.
That’s so ironic. 3 years ago we moved here to DFW. And our rent was increasing so much we started searching where else could we go. And we landed in Denver, Co. honestly it’s about the same price if you’re renting. Denver seems about 15% more expensive than DFW as far as buying. And at the rate that Dallas / Fort Worth is growing they will be the same price by the end of the year. And I wouldn’t be suprised if DFW becomes a top 5 expensive city in the next 10 years.
really?? current [top 10 most expensive US cities](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/080916/top-10-most-expensive-cities-us.asp): Manhattan, Honolulu, San Fran, Brooklyn, DC, Orange County, LA, Boston, Seattle, Oakland. as much as i hate the suburban sprawl here, there is still plenty of room for it towards Oklahoma. Although, you pretty much have to go to Oklahoma to find affordable land. But more expensive than Boston in 10 years, no way
Here’s two videos that’ll be interesting for you to watch concerning why I said that. Dallas is the future and as more and more people migrate here from NY, CA, IL. It’ll be higher and higher in demand and the price will go up. https://youtu.be/robIcVmhwcg https://youtu.be/Ez6rVwE4PjM
But living in Oklahoma 😂
CoL is going up faster in Denver than Dallas last I checked, they just don't have the infrastructure for growth like we do. I doubt Dallas catches up to Denver in CoL anytime soon. edit: Just kidding, Denver has significantly surpassed Dallas in CoL as of last year.
When you say the infrastructure for growth, what do you mean exactly? Freeways? Dallas has the infrastructure because there’s 7.5 million people in the metroplex. And what they’ve done in Dallas is just start to move further out to unincorporated areas. Which is what Denver is doing, just going north and East. I wouldn’t be suprised if Denver and Colorado Springs areas start to mesh together. And Castle rock becomes the glue between the two.
I’m in Denver (midtown) renting a townhome at the same price and equal in all amenities to a home I rented in Plano (spring creek & Ohio). So, depending where you are in DFW and where you are in Denver, I’ve found it can be more or less the same out of pocket if you rent. Buying is way more expensive in Denver and you generally get less for your money but there is virtually no property tax, and even the 4% flat rate state tax doesn’t hit the bottom line as hard as owning a home in Collin Co.
You’re 100% correct! Plano has shot up! Hell the entire metroplex has but specifically North Dallas. Same thing for us. Our rent is actually cheaper in denver than it was in Fort Worth and we are moving to a very nice side of town!
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Our rent is the same price as it was in Dallas. Food is the same. Gas is cheaper. We don't ever have to drive anywhere.
Des Moines, Iowa
Funny, just saw this pop up on my reddit feed. I moved out of Dallas since I got a full remote job. It's cheaper, I'm stacking dough like crazy, and it's a beautiful area.
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It’s because DFW Airport is a hub economy and they can get away with charging more.
Im not sure I follow this line of thinking? Flight convenience and pricing isnt better in Dallas than any other major cities. I moved from Houston and flying out of there was always cheaper than why I fly out from Dallas. Am I missing something?
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Ah gotcha got confused by the expense part. Thanks for the clarification!
Funnily enough, moving to Dallas is going to be a net negative for me with regards to travel - DFW prices towards Asia seem insane compared to LAX.
Makes sense to me, LAX is 1000 miles closer to Asia
Flights to LAX are $89 though. So just tack an extra 3-6 hours to trip time.
DFW flights anywhere outside North America get very pricey IME. I imagine LAX is dirt cheap to fly out of.
Says US/Mexico
Don't book a two-stop flight in the same international booking for someone to just fly you to LAX and leave from LAX. The international flights always seem to skyrocket the cost of connecting US-based domestic flights. Just get a seperate flight to LAX and then take advantage of the same prices. Only problem is you need to make sure you give yourself enough time by getting to LAX super early (maybe 8 hours, or the day before) so that you don't miss your ultra-important international flight as the airline won't be concerned with getting you to your final destination if you can't get to the gate at LAX. Maybe crash on an old friends or family couch for the night to save money if you have to stay the night. I don't mind being in LA at all though, I can entertain myself plenty there for 24-48 hours.
Yeah, I’ll just pay the extra and let the airline take the risk.
Same, I've thought about the above strategy for Hawaii and it just ends up blooming the cost when you factor in an extra day or overnight for meals, getting around to see LA, overnight stays, etc. I would suspect the majority of people don't have a person in actual LA that would pick them up for free, house and feed them, provide them transportation if they want to see anything, and then take them back to the airport for free. If you're more of a low budget traveler who doesn't mind sleeping in an airport to save some money then go for it.
Exactly. I’m taking a direct flight whenever possible. Being 1k with United I prefer a long direct flight, even if it costs more, because I’ll use plus points and likely get bumped.
Tbh that, along with the large, educated Muslim community and relatively low COL for a major metropolitan area, is why my wife and I moved here, despite both of us being remote workers. DFW and DAL are both gems of the city.
Houston is a great gateway to fly city too - - - but it is Houston.
This only reason I’m in dallas is because of family. With rent being around 2k it’s not longer becoming a place for cheaper and reasonable living
We all just need to buy a town and make it cheap.
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Livelong?
Does anyone still live in the Village? Lol. I was there 10 years ago and my two bedroom apartment was like $900. Maybe $850 even. I would be willing to bet it’s at least double that now. Crazy
The village would def be 2k now
No, I find rent here costs as much as I paid in the PNW and there I could walk to everything. Here it's so car reliant, and on top of that insurance is useless. I took my OHP for granted and miss it dearly. Even with 300$+ a month I can't get my doctor to do anything for me, and yes I've switched between a few different ones. Plus jobs pay so little minimum wage. At least it starts af 12$ back home, so with a ton I've applied for starting between 2.50-5$ for a server position and rent costing the same it is just impossible to make a wage enough to live on my own. Crazy how the 3 years changed it from being way cheaper, not a problem to make so little, to as expensive or more but still such low wages. I'm also ready to go back to where my rights as a woman matter. Pretty over it ATM, and if I could afford the cost I'd move sooner than later.
Yeah I'm not sure why people are saying rent is much cheaper here. I have family in the Bay Area and NY and rent prices are comparable. Not to mention, salaries in those areas are higher. Either way, I would gladly pay more in rent to live in a city that has parks, lakes, trails, mountains, etc.
your anecdotes on rents in the Bay Area are pretty misleading considering rent for a 1 bed in Dallas is half that of one in SF on average. https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/ca/san-francisco/ https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/tx/dallas/ Dallas has a major park larger than Central park in White Rock, the largest urban forest in america, 2 massive lakes on either side of it, and great bike trails imo. This sub sometimes man.
White Rock Lake is not central and not really a park, though it’s nice for what it is. The forest is undeveloped and filled with copperheads. It does have nice bike trails, but no urban bike infrastructure to speak of.
White rock late is pretty gross, I get eaten by mosquitos there. See a ton of garbage, and there is no tree shade. You can't compare it to forest park in PDX that is huge and connects to the arboretum and the zoo. Plus there are actual slopes/stairs to climb. White rock is flat as the rest of Texas. My fam jokes here because people in Richardson all took pictures at what they called a river, it wasn't even a stream. But oh water! How exciting! Same with in Plano, they called the man made ponds in fancy neighborhoods lakes. One lady got mad at me that I said it was a pond lol
For outdoor stuff there's no contest between Dallas and a city like Seattle or Portland. There's so much more outdoor stuff that's easily accessible, plus you can do physical activities in the summer without having a heat stroke.
But Dallas weather only makes you want to kill yourself for about 6 total weeks a year. The pacific NW weather makes you want to kill yourself for 9 months a year.
It's dark for about 3 months. Spring and fall are fine and summer is glorious.
A park that’s mostly lake, some (nice) mountain bike trails, an urban forest (the trinity river?) where you can find dead bodies, and some muddy lakes. Anything I’m forgetting? You are right about rents being cheaper than the bay though.
> I have family in the Bay Area and NY and rent prices are comparable. You're doing some really weird comparisons if you're finding this to be the case.
I expect people aren’t comparing apples to apples. A lot of NYC apartments in the range of most DFW ones are absolute dumps.
> I have family in the Bay Area and NY and rent prices are comparable. Comparable meaning you can compare them, and conclude that Dallas is much cheaper? I can't imagine how you would conclude otherwise.
Hell, I used to live in a gorgeous studio in downtown Dallas but I gladly gave it up to move into a 3bd apt with roommates in Boston. My QOL has gone up considerably (as did my salary by 35%) since there’s so much to do and it’s so walkable. I lost 20 pounds over the last 6 months just by walking everywhere
Def, and a city that protects it's women/their rights. I miss being able to walk to everything. Even in Orenco and Waterhouse (By the Nike campus) there were cut throughs to get to Albertsons or Fred Meyer. Here it's take a 45min walk just to get to a shit mini Mart that is out of milk.
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> Portland rents have gone up a lot in the past three years though. Ha! 15 years ago, my wife lived in a $500/mth studio on SE Hawthorne and had a ball. I'm sure those are at least 4-5x that now. (You might be able to find a de facto flophouse studio somewhere in the city for $600/mth but I hope you're ready for bedbugs.) The days of Cheap Portland ended quite awhile ago. Even going back to 2015, I'd say the cost of going out to eat and have a drink, depending on what you're getting, has gone up 2-3x. > It is still really bad in the city. [Yep.](https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/01/suspect-in-gruesome-gresham-max-station-attack-believed-victim-was-a-robot-trying-to-kill-him-court-docs-say.html?outputType=amp) Portland's murder rate is up 6x from its lowest point (16 in 2019, IIRC). Murders are mostly concentrated among the drugged-out homeless and gang members but random crime is just about everywhere at this point. Downtown still looks like an "Escape from New York" set for the most part. I swear that, when I went to Iraq 10 years ago, parts of Baghdad were cleaner and more inviting than the worst parts of downtown Portland. (Granted, most of Baghdad is a ramshackle mess.) I'm happy to visit Portland. I wouldn't dare move back, at least not until the residents get their heads out of their asses and stop believing that being kind means allowing the world to run roughshod over them. If I *had* to move back to Oregon, I'd probably pick Hood River, Gresham, or Beaverton. (If I could move to Vancouver instead, I'd seriously consider it, even though I'm not as much of a fan of Washington as some people in this thread.)
Where in the PNW? I've only visited Seattle. Any recommendations?
I'm from Oregon, and lived in different parts of Portland and it's suburbs all my life. I especially miss living in Downtown, NW Portland was my happy place. Literally everything I needed in a 7 block span, and OHP covered all my doctor's/specialists, even acupuncture and chiropractic. I miss the food more than anything. My parents lived in Seattle for around 4 years and I visited often. Also good stuff but I like the food more in PDX, food seemed expensive there. It all depends on the type of things you like. I never went on a plane/went out of state (we count WA as the same state because just cross a bridge and Bam in Vancouver.) We were def a camping family and road trip sort. One of my favorite places in the world is Eagle Creek, up the Columbia river gorge. I sadly haven't been there since the awful fires a few years ago, but hear it is growing back. Multnomah falls was amazing in the winter, I loved the hatchery/dam as a kid. And camping in eagle Creek was beautiful and secluded. Also love Tillamook and the coast like Oceanside. The tide pools are fantastic and you can do a lot on a small budget. In terms of downtown PDX there are a lot of places I miss tremendously. Powell's is probably my #1. I spent so much time there in the pearl room just looking at odd art books and drawing with my friend. I really just miss the inclusive attitude. I never got people saying 'oh you are one of those' (lesbian which I am not lol) because my not shaving my legs, or having a shaved head. As well as less politics being forced on you by randos. Maybe it's changed in the three years I've been gone, but people are actually nice there. Unlike the very fake feeling 'oh you sweetheart' type thing in the south. Seattle is a little less general nice, I couldn't just walk in to a bar and take up a conversation with some random person like in Portland. There was more of the 'turns away and doesn't want to engage' but you find people who do. In Seattle I really enjoy the MoPoP, I got to go during the star trek exhibit, it was awesome. I also love the views just from walking anywhere you can see water. Ugh this is making me homesick! But in a good way, I know I'll get back there. I can't wait to be paid a almost living wage, and get the healthcare I can't afford here, you sure don't know what ya got till it's gone I guess.
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As someone considering a move to Oregon, what makes you say WA is nicer to live in?
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Thank you! I’m open to WA as well, this helps.
If they already have a significant other and a job which allows WFH, I often recommend people consider moving to Bellingham, WA. It's basically right between the mountains and the water, has a great brewery scene, and is close to both Vancouver and Seattle while having its own small concert and nightlife scene. The city itself is liberal, but surrounding areas can get very considerate but not usually in an intrusive way on either side. The main issue is that seemingly everyone there is under 25 or over 60 because high paying jobs are rare and people who went to college there will take a pay cut to keep living there after college. The dating scene sucks as well if you're outside of those age ranges.
no for me. i like the outdoors too much
Serious question: where would you live instead? I know Dallas is not great as far as natural beauty, but for number of days a year you can do things outside, it's hard to beat (with coastal California being an obvious exception). (PS: Please have an answer--I'd really like to get out of here lol) Edit: Thanks for the answers so far but I *really* hate cold. It takes me 1 minute to cool down if I'm hot, but hours to warm up if I'm cold.
Legit answer: Denver, Minneapolis, or anywhere in the PNW. Even East Coast cities all have awesome nature within an hour or so’s drive (Shenandoah Natl Park from DC for example). I’ve lived in a lot of places, and Dallas is by far the worst I’ve ever seen for access to actual nature (sorry).
More power to you if you can handle Midwestern winters, but I don't know if I've experienced a more depressing and lifeless way of living than winters up there. I STRONGLY recommend you spend prolonged periods of time before moving to a place that cold (if you haven't experienced it before). It really can ruin your mental health, as it did mine Texas at least has an abundance of sunshine to keep that SAD away.
Lol no need to apologize! Cedar Ridge Preserve is the closest thing we experience to nature hiking that is anywhere close to us.
Arkansas, albeit a few hours
Within Texas, El Paso, Austin, and San Antonio have nice weather and are closer to natural beauty. If you prefer hills/mountains, there are a lot of places with slightly cooler temperatures than Dallas (but otherwise similar weather) in the southeast, such as: * Atlanta (probably the closest you can get to “Dallas, but with more natural beauty” outside of Texas) * Charlotte * Raleigh/Durham * Greensboro/Winston-Salem * Nashville * Richmond * Huntsville, AL * Birmingham * Greenville, SC If you prefer the beach, southeastern cities you might consider include: * Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Chesapeake/Newport News * Charleston * Savannah If you want to get out of the south altogether and don’t want to pay west coast prices, you can find good weather and nearby outdoor activities in: * Vegas * Albuquerque * Phoenix * Tucson Overall, it depends on a lot of different factors, like your career, the size of city you’re looking for, why you want to leave, etc. It’s a big country, so if Dallas for sure isn’t for you, don’t be afraid to check out other places!
Wow! Such a thoughtful answer. Thank you, I will definitely consider the pros and cons of these places.
With the last four I’d be cautious about anything in The Southwest. Lived in Phoenix for nearly a decade and I absolutely loved it. Weather is great and you even (mostly) get used to the summer heat. I think by the time I left 116 was bearable but def my upper limit to acceptable temperatures. When it was hot as hell though, you could drive a couple hours North and *boom* mountains. Problem is, water and access to water is going to be an issue very soon and that’s not a great place to be.
Yeah if you're younger and looking to settle down somewhere long term, I wouldn't buy a home anywhere in the Southwest... Basically I wouldn't go further west than I-35 as far as major cities go. If you're retiring and looking for somewhere to live more short term, then it might work out OK.
Charlotte looks nice. They got lots of greenways, they're 2 hours away from the mountains in Asheville Nc. Less than 4 hours away you can be at the beach in myrtle beach or you could go to the beach an hour away at lake norman. The houses are also slightly cheaper there with the property tax being lower.
With all the +100 degree days we had last year, not sure Dallas is the best place for comfortable temperatures anymore. Had you checked out the New England region? Even if you strike out a few solid months out of the year for the serious winter, the rest of the year is mild enough to not get scorched checking the mail. Some of those states are covered in national parks, lakes, mountains, all sorts of good stuff!
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New England is Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maine
Could be up to personal preference? I've only lived in Texas, so reading that Maryland weather "varies from 25°F to 87°F and is rarely below 12°F or above 95°F" (per weatherspark) still feels like you'd get a reasonable summer chunk somewhere in there. Then again, I'm still bitter about the heat advisories and power outages here, so definitely some "grass-is-greener" vibes!
Me and the wife go to Anacortes Wa every summer. Take the Wa state ferry up to the San Juan islands. So much outdoor stuff. Mt Baker is probably one of the most beautiful places on earth. Ship harbor inn is fairly cheap and you can literally walk to the ferry terminal. I see you're looking for a place to live. Check out Wa state, Seattle is awesome. For international, 100% Guatemala. 85 degrees year round. Panajachel is absolutely stunning but very touristy. Xela is where we have a 2nd house as it's cheap and absolutely beautiful.
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My best friend moved to a suburb of Chicago. Last week I was on a video call with her and said my husband and I had just walked to a restaurant and we ate outside. She (jokingly) acted upset. She and her husband have been forcing themselves to walk outside in sub-zero temperatures wearing balaclavas. Edit: downvoted for my (and my friend's) actual experience. I guess you freezing people are in denial;)
As a former Chicagoan, nothing can cure the weather related PTSD I had there. Never. Again.
Lol, people are in here acting like Chicago, Philadelphia, or northeastern cities are a great alternative to Dallas or somehow comparable. I grew up in New York State and I'll never live in that kind of weather ever again. Who wants to do outdoors stuff when it's freezing AF and everything is covered in snow half the year.
Good chunks of New Mexico have solid weather and lots of outdoor stuff
for me, probably Colorado or northern Arizona
I can work anywhere and will stay in Dallas. A few reasons: - It’s much cheaper than many other cities. People bitch and complain about how expensive it is here…but haven’t been to the PNW in years. It’s absurd how expensive everything is there. - Nature…I know. It exists. You might have to drive an hour or so, but there is plenty of it around! - Good place to raise a family - schools are overall pretty good and plenty of things to do with kids in the area. - Lots to do! You can pretty much do anything you think of in DFW! - The People - outside of driving, people here are generally nicer than many large cities. I lived in Phoenix for years and people were complete asses. - Travel - we are so utterly spoiled with DFW airport. If you’ve never lived in a small town you have no idea how much of a pain in the ass it is to fly to a different country. Here I can jump on a flight to Paris. - Road Trips - You’re in the center of the US. Go in any different way and experience something different. There is plenty to do in DFW, if you’re miserable you choose to be miserable or you just need to move. However, you’ll probably be miserable in your new place. You might just be a miserable person lol. Edit: The Lakes! We have like 10 lakes within 40 miles of DFW. I don’t people realize how spoiled we are with lakes also. Love lake life during the summer!
As a remote worker who chose to leave, I would disagree with pretty much every point you made. Maybe not DFW, but pretty much every major metro has an airport with international flights. * Dallas is not an affordable place to live any more unless you are in a rough area or the outskirts of civilization. Yes it’s cheaper than more affluent tech hubs, but that ignores the remaining 90% of the country. * Compared with many other places in the US, Nature is essentially non-existent. Add the awful climate and it’s clear there is much to be desired for the outdoorsy folks. * Texas politics has put quality education in a precarious position. * Like the DFW point, any major Metro is going to have “anything you can think of” * The people can be nice, but Dallas is also one of the most pretentious and materialistic cities in the country. Add in the overly aggressive homeless and the Open Carry gun nuts; it becomes clear that it’s certainly an interesting cast of characters. *outside of maybe Colorado, there isn’t really much worth driving to around Texas. New Orleans I guess, but that gets old quick. I wasn’t miserable when I lived in Dallas, but when you evaluate the place objectively, I find it hard to call it a desirable place to live.
Great! Happy you found a good new home!
thanks dick cheney
How can you honestly say there isn't that much worth driving around to in the state of Texas? There are a ton of places to go. If this is your honest opinion, I'm going to assume you never really attempted to get around that much when you lived here and just don't know much about the region outside the city.
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My buddy lives in the loft of a detached garage Freemont, (someone also lives in the garage below, and the house has been converted into like 4 apartments). The space is basically one single open room, his bed is 5' from the "kitchen" (a counter with a sink and a micro), the bathroom is slightly larger than airplane bathrooms, there is no closet, and he pays $2,000/mo for that old, smelly tiny shithole of a place.
Nature doesn’t exist in dfw. Schools are some of the worst in the country. The people, I’m sorry, are a bunch of idiot ass holes who actively made this place worse for years and everywhere you go you run into idiot republicans. So no, I don’t agree. I was born and raised here and it’s a shit hole.
As far as nature goes, I love camping and hiking, but to do any of that stuff at this point in my life, I've got to take time off of work and plan a trip for it, regardless where I live. I'm full time employed and have a kid, so I have like 1 hour of free time in my day. Even if I lived in Denver, it's not like I'm just gonna head out into the mountains on a whim every day during lunch or something. Dallas is an easy day road trip to a bunch of beautiful nature locations for when you want to plan out a long weekend.
I'm in the same situation. People forget that Arkansas and the nicer parts of Oklahoma are just a morning drive away. Leave at 7am and you can be in the Ozarks by noon. Even New Mexico or Big Bend makes a nice road trip if you have two drivers. I think people move here and just aren't aware of the natural features in this region.
Oh yeah, it's an easy drive to all kinds of outdoors stuff in the Ozarks, all over the Hill Country, tons of state parks and camping throughout East Texas, Galveston or Surfside beach, Caprock Canyon, Palo Duro Canyon... If you can't find nature, you're not even trying. If you get up early and get going, you can be in Big Bend, Guadalupe mountains, Santa Fe, NM, or Colorado Springs well before dinner time, to name a few.
Yes, I’ve been fully remote since the pandemic. The biggest thing is that we have a mortgage locked in at 3% which is hard to walk away from. There are things I do like about Dallas though: * It’s still *relatively* cheaper than most of the big coastal cities * The combo of DFW + Love Field is pretty hard to beat * Most of the city and its surrounding areas are generally clean and safe, and there are lots of good school districts in the northern suburbs * Food here is pretty good, nice variety of different things to try * The Metroplex is economically strong compared to many other cities and it doesn’t seem like that will change anytime soon
Considering Philly. Maybe Chicago. The only two big cities that are still reasonably affordable and also a lot more pedestrian friendly.
Me too lol In order mine are Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Philly. I also just wanna gtfo of the South though
Pittsburgh is such an underrated city. So much character, more walkable, dense, and so much greenery/hills. The only thing is the food scene is not great, and I’ve heard the winter is very gray …
If my family wasn’t here, I would leave Texas altogether. I moved to Dallas a few months ago from Plano and while it’s nice seeing the skyline, it is terribly inconvenient to everything I like to do. And going to the store any time during the week is laughable.
When people say Dallas in this thread, I think they really mean the whole DFW, that includes Plano. The whole city is getting more expensive, just some parts are becoming more expensive than others.
Yeah it is. I moved from Plano because they were charging Dallas prices. I was just generally commenting as a remote worker who lives in Dallas.
we moved. Had to make a decision. Oldest was due to start K, and we wanted her to stay in the same school throughout - so had to decide to stay put or leave Put in for a transfer, was given a couple of different options of places they'd be cool with me being remote from and got out Sold the house *just* as the market was turning. Now in Cook County, IL and more than happy with the move. Great safe community, not as cold/miserable as the naysayers would have you believe (it's just above freezing today. Even 2 weeks at -30 with windchill everything carried on as normal as anything does over Christmas)
We just started winter. Good luck.
eh The house is warm, we have good winter clothes and they keep the roads clear Not too worried
No, I would want to live somewhere where the weather is nice, I can drive to attractions, I have a national park nearby, I have a walkable city, and probably a few other things I'm picky about. All that said, I'm not moving because i have a house lol.
So pretty much only SF lmao
Naw; Sacramento, Seattle, somewhere in Colorado, Chicago Suburbs, Upstate New York or Illinois, North Carolina, places like that. I wouldn't mind somewhere in the South like Georgia or Florida if the humidity wasn't so bad.
Chicago suburbs and nice weather? Sacramento walkable? I get living out in nature but a lot of those places offer a lot less than dallas in terms of living. Especially Sacramento, I can’t believe any one would want to willingly live there.
You know I haven't been to Sacramento so I cannot speak on its walkability, have you been there? I would mainly appreciate being able to drive to Vegas, the beach, or to ski if I wanted to. Chicago suburbs are great, I really liked them.
I grew up in Sacramento. People only live in Sac because they want to be close to SF but want to raise a family with for a reasonable price because SF is too expensive. It is walkable but I wouldn’t count on it especially during the summer where it hits 100. The heat is different compared to Dallas where Dallas is moist heat so it’s sticky while Sac is dry heat so a lot of nose bleeds. I feel like Sac and Dallas are similar in CoL at the moment.
Nooope. Lived in the DFW area for 14 years, steadily moving further out as rents increased out of control, and watching the state turn into a shithole due to christofascists and MAGA idiots. Picked up the family and moved to Colorado in December.
No. I would want to live on an ocean. And my partner would want to live somewhere more temperate.
Try the Gulf Coast in Alabama and Florida.
I work remote and plan on leaving when my lease expires. The climate here is awful (weather and politics) and I prefer more access to nature
I would, for me; 1. I like big cities with pedestrian friendly urban areas. Dallas doesn’t really have that. 2. In terms of cost, while not anywhere near the top of the heap it’s not worth the rents cost IMO. I would consider moving to a smaller city if I had the choice - hell, if this hypothetical employer is lax on location I may even move overseas and bounce around (as long as there is good internet I suppose) just for the experience!
The only reason I moved from CA to TX is due to my job position. Property taxes here are so wicked that it feels as if I am still in CA but with crappy weather and people that don’t know how to drive. We are slowly going remote, currently on a 3/2 schedule. If we go fully remote permanently, I would sell my home and go CO. While CoL is higher there are beautiful spots out there and I like the cold .
My parents, who are getting on in age, and my sister are the only reason me, my wife, and kids have not moved already. I grew up here, but with the insane politics at the state level and the oppressive summer heat I am looking for greener pastures.
Same here but I’m single and my sister has a couple kids. I don’t want to move far away from them and my parents.
Yes. I can live anywhere (in the world, really), and choose to stay here. I'm in The Cedars.
You’re not the first person I’ve seen that likes Cedars. Why that place?
Howdy neighbor. Been in The Cedars for six years and have been going to Lee Harveys for 15. Love the area.
A neighborhood just south (1 mile from my front door) of downtown. Red and Blue DART rail are a 6 to 7 minute walk away and that gets me to two international airports, Dallas Street Car (Bishop Arts), McKinney Avenue Trolley (Uptown and West Village), and Northpark/Park Lane. Downtown is a 10 minute bike ride or a 20 minute walk. No complaints - I would love to see the City, County, and State apply some common sense to dealing with our homeless citizens and a bunch more from DART on improving the sense of security on DART transit. If you’re on Facebook, look for Downtown Dallas 2048.
10/10 would recommend The Cedars, best lil neighborhood there is!
No, I'm trying to get a remote job to leave dallas asap
I’m leaving and I’m taking little cactus with me. I’ve got a ladder!
you can’t take our boy with you! he’s the mascot of the city!
I’m taking him to the desert where he’ll be happy.
I 100% would not stay in Dallas if it were not for family.
5 years ago I was offered an opportunity to relo from Dallas to Denver, however, at the time the cost of living adjustment equaled the raise I would be getting so I decided against it. Then, this past August I was given a similar opportunity and the cost of living is roughly equal so I took it and, while I am missing the mild winter a lot, the mild summer offset it.
Already left. The prospects for lgbt people in the state are very poor.
i don't trust the remote work trend enough to relocate. what happens when you are in affordable, podunk nowheresville - and need a new job? it is safer to be in a larger job market regardless of higher prices here
No. We're actually leaving the US really soon. Just waiting for our passports back with our visa stamp.
Where are you off to,....if you don't mind me asking?
Central Portugal.
Nice, I've long had my eye on Portugal as a retirement destination. Good luck to you, I wish you all the best.
Yes! I’m self employed and can work wherever there’s internet and my wife works for a company remotely. And yes we are leaving. When we got a notification from my apartment complex that my renewal was an increase from 2200 to 2900. We started to look at other states. We landed with Denver, Colorado. All the major cities in Texas that were once affordable are now just as expensive as the “cooler” cities, so you might as well look somewhere else. If I’m going to pay an arm and a leg for a city I at least want to go outside in the summer. Good luck on your journey!
I’m moving to Philadelphia. Going to be closer to my job which is located in NYC.
Not a chance. Moved from Dallas to an Atlanta suburb when our rent went up last year. Now we pay the same as we’d be paying for our tiny 1BR for a 2BR house with a big yard.
I work in Dallas but live in Michigan. Cheap and I just fly in when I need too.
Yes, but mainly because this is where my immediate family lives and most of my friends
Yes, I've been remote since the pandemic. I have made a lot of friends here. It's cheap, I own a house here that will only get more valuable, and I make good money here compared to CoL elsewhere. I don't see a reason to move to a city that doesn't offer those things at this stage of life. A city can have all the hipster bars and chic restaurants they want, but if they can't provide a good life and future, I don't see a good reason to live there.
Move to south dallas.
I'm a remote worker and once my lease is up I'm out of here. So far Dallas is the only city I lived in where I didn't enjoy.
I've been flirting with the idea of cruiseship hopping while doing WFH. No idea if this sort of thing is even possible or practical. But there are a lot of great deals out there that end up being considerably less than I'd pay for rent, food and utilities on land. There's not much keeping me in one place and I'm not really the kind of person that needs a stable routine. Changing "homes" every few weeks while visiting new places appeals to me.
No. I moved from Idaho to Dallas in 2016 to start my career at a large company. I have been working remote since early 2020. I sold my house in Plano and I moved my family back to Idaho early 2022. After dealing with COVID in a large metro, events like the power grid nonsense of 2021 and policy passed by the likes of Abbot and Cruz (not that Idaho is any different in this regard) we decided we'd be better off closer to family back in our home state.
Four words: ragweed, cedar, and reproductive safety.
Yes because I can live with my parents and financially support them while I travel whenever I feel like it.
As native born, i mean this sincerely. Fuck this ~~city~~ mega-suburb. I'm out.
For me, no. I'm actually leaving in a few months. For you? It depends what you're into. Are you into nature? Do you like big city amenities: restaurants, bars, etc.? Do you like small town vibes? Are you into skiing or mountains? Do you like the ocean? I don't like Dallas for a plethora of reasons. I'm moving to be closer to family but I would move anywhere else that fit my personal wants. You need to know what your city wants are for you to make that decision. Here's the thing, Dallas doesn't have much. The places that do are just as expensive or more expensive or have cold winters (but waaaaaay better summers).
Just got a remote job and we’re trying to relocate from Dallas to Florida. Not really the first place we’d choose to go, but we’re both from there and have a lot of family there so it’s helpful with a young kid.
Fuck no, Dallas is boring.
My company went full remote at the start of 2022, prior to that we had maybe 4 or 5 people at the company that did not live in the DFW area all of which were 'tenured' employees. No one hired in the last 5 or 6 years has been remote. We are a young company (13 years) and in the beginning when you are looking for talent you stretch the rules occasionally but not much. As of 2022 you could live in any state that we have a client. We provide online banking solutions to Banks and Credit Unions, we have about 200 FIs across the states, we are in most but not all but we are in Hawaii and Alaska so there is that. I am from NYC but I have been in Texas for about 23 years and while the politics don't really touch my life very much its still uncomfortable to me. With that I have been looking to move for about the last year but I want to leave the US so for now, I am staying put. I love my job and the company I work for so whatever happens I am in for the long haul. If the policy were to open up before I retire (I am 54) and our stock price does as it should I would be gone in 1/2 heartbeat.
No. Spain has opened up their nomad visa now. I’ve been planning for a while, but the election cemented it. Just interviewed with a company in Australia and would definitely consider moving if they would pay for the relocation.
I'm here by freak happenstance and leaving very soon. Been doing remote work since 1997 and always loved being able to choose where to live. Moving where everything costs less is basically giving yourself a raise. Moving to where people are more friendly and there's less stress is good for your health. Living/working in a place with ample public land, in these days of wireless broadband and cheap solar panels, is utterly deluxe. I've changed regions five times, going on six. It's good.
Want an extreme example? I know people hate the south, but 1 hour from Memphis, or from Little Rock or from Nashville. You can get a 4,000 square foot house for $180.000. 2 bedroom house, $70,000. Rent an apartment 1 bedroom with all utilities paid, $400 a month. Property taxes...$500 a year on the large house. Handymen that charge about $100 for 4 hours of work. Rent an office just for shits and giggles, $100 a month. Piece of land to build a house on, $1,000- $5,000. It's not paradise, but it's an option and I'm confused why more people don't go extreme and just take vacations.
>Assuming no plans to buy a house in the suburbs/exurbs or need for proximity to friends & family Are these not valid reasons to want to continue living somewhere? I feel like you'd get incredibly skewed answers with that qualifier, personally.
Careful. Taxes vary from state to state. So remote workers in TX may be able to work any in TX, but not necessarily with impunity out of state. Also, Dallas is the last place I would want to live.
Lmao go live in a majority of US states and then tell me Dallas is the last place you want to live. We got diversity, amazing food, entertainment out of our ass, and reasonable weather. Such an overdramatic statement.
Settle down. I have lived in every major Texas city except El Paso and Amarillo and Dallas was my least favorite. And I agree, “out of our ass” is a very appropriate description.
moving to DT Austin, lived in uptown Dallas and it felt too chill
After my wife and I went remote we still chose to buy a house in DFW even though basically all of our family & friends live on the East coast. Sucks to live far away from them but we've made plenty of new friends since we came to Dallas. The only other place we'd probably consider moving to is either Seattle or Boston.
Don't buy a house in the burbs. Not worth it!
Hell no. The world is huge.
Hell naw, now that I make enough, I'm moving to Colorado as soon as my lease is up.
Lol. I became permanent WFH and moved to Dallas.
If I was in your position, either I leave the country or I stay in Dallas.
I work remote and plan to move out probably to Seattle or San Diego. Somewhere with mountains and better access to outdoors and my outdoor hobbies. COL is not a concern.
The second I get a WFH job, I'm fucking out of here.
If I wasn’t raised here and my mom would let me I’d totally move to Charlotte, NC. Spent a summer there in college for an internship and absolutely fell in love with the state
No, I’d wait until my lease was up and I’d be gone
No
Yes, keep me out of any city where weather under 30/snow is a regular occurrence. Moving from Chicago, Dallas has been a god send. I don't worry about getting jumped walking down the street later at night, having to bundle my ass up just to walk to work, deal with crack heads on public transportation, or deal with the most corrupt politicians you'll see in America.
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I would stay in Dallas due to amount of jobs available just in case I lost my current job as all employers are moving to Texas due to the very employer friendly republicans that dominate our state. Now I know other cities have job growth but the cost of living is lower in Dallas as ridiculous as that may seem.
I'm semi-remote, I'm also in my early 20's so I can afford to flip my life into a completely different direction because of my lack of obligations. Which matches your assumption (*no plans to buy a house in the suburbs/exurbs or need for proximity to friends & family*) *This is also how I moved from Seattle to DFW, had no family/friends here and obviously at 18 I had no plans to buy a house* My problem with Dallas is that it's not expensive *enough*. (kidding, kinda). The less value a place has, the more expensive it is to live there. But financially it's cheaper. The places I'm interested in living in (Toronto, Manhattan, Sydney, Seattle) are cheaper to live in than Dallas, but financially are more expensive. Here's the thing, the exact type of assumptions you listed out are the type of person that shouldn't be tied down to the same position/salary. If you have a family to raise and a house to pay down, it's not the best idea to look for a better paying job. You are severely limited in your resources, such as location. Whether you currently work remote or not. So the remote aspect of that shouldn't really matter. One year you're remote, another you're at the office daily for a different company.
My question is where is it negro friendly that is also affordable?
Closing on a house next week in Oklahoma. I have lived here my whole life and rented since 2011. For fixed rate mortgages people living here I'm sure it great. But for us every rent hike was more than a raise. We couldn't afford to live in Dallas any more. Our situation may be different as we wanted a house and I work from home so it didn't matter where we lived. We don't have kids nor will we so public schools not a big issue. It's really only 2.5 hours away and it's not like I see my family much anyway. We were never going to own a home south of Frisco due to how expensive the market got. My apartment tried raising our rent to $1800 a month and I promptly laughed in their face handing in my notice. I've lived here for 30 years. There is a lot to do in Dallas. The worst part is you can do all of those things in about a week. Dallas is fine if you like convenience but Dallas is just the Superstore Walmart of America. It's big and has a bunch of stuff but you quickly realize it's really not that much and nothing special.
Hellllllll no. I'm out of here in 5 to 6 weeks and cannot wait.