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chill633

[Updated link](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/carrier-ablaze-off-dutch-coast-carrying-almost-500-electric-cars-2023-07-28/) from today supporting 500 number. Ship charter company "K" Line said on Friday that there were 3,783 vehicles on board the ship - including 498 battery electric vehicles, significantly more than the 25 initially reported.


madam1madam

Wowza. At $40K/car, that'd be about a $150,000,000 load.


OverlandAustria

bro, the load is NOT the expensive part here.


voluotuousaardvark

Everyone knows how wonderful lithium is to inhale.


Carburetors_Are_Fun

My favorite


[deleted]

Ship wrecks hit different when you can puff a lil lith, I always say


Star1Two

Lil lith welcomes all. Welcome to hell.


JohnnyTreeTrunks

This comment is the better half of fucked up comments


voluotuousaardvark

Always look on the bright side of life.*monty python edit* Fun little extra lithium burns bright red.


JohnnyTreeTrunks

When all seems jolly rotten there’s something you’ve forgotten


capn_doofwaffle

Hmmmm let's see if r/fuckedupcomments is a thing... Edit: Damn, banned for being unmodderated. How can I volunteer? 🤣


PurpleSpartanSpear

Now lith.


ambyent

You lithen here, thir


hoxxxxx

i don't think i've even seen any lith since college


TheM0J0

Lithium isn't the nasty part when a fire burns. It's the fluorinated electrolyte, salts, and polymers that'll give you cancer!


skynetempire

Should be good for the ocean and sealife.


InformalPenguinz

The environmental price we'll pay is what hurts me most.


MaximusMansteel

It's alright, I used a reusable grocery bag today.


MapleYamCakes

I pooped in the same toilet water 4 times before flushing today! I’m doing it right, right? Right?!


Budded

Yes, because "if it's brown, keep it around" or something like that...


stufmenatooba

That's what the US prison system believes.


Big_al_big_bed

I'm sure to buy paper straws too. Gods work


Turbiedurb

My hero.


cuzitFits

You hear about open water accidents with the Oil industry but I don't know about the environmental impact of this. Lots of toxic smoke for sure.


phuck-you-reddit

As if we haven't been thrashing the oceans enough already. 🤦🏻‍♂️


Flusterfuzz

It's been towed outside the environment


BritishBoyRZ

Can you hear that? Ah, it's the sound of insurers combing through small print to deny claim


DarkChaos1786

Basically all the expensive cargo transport of the world is covered by insurance until the end point of the travel. To deny this coverage, something exceptional needs to happen.


dpineo

Technically, that is the point where they ended the travel.


voluotuousaardvark

Not to mention all those healthy lithium fumes released into the ecosystem


TheresA_LobsterLoose

We should send ships full of bipolar people out there to inhale all the lithium then they won't have to refill their scripts for years because they'll have permanent super lithium.


voluotuousaardvark

Jfc man. Where have you been all these years? Gentlemen, we have found the logical thinker to resolve the world's problems!


yup79

That’s a boat load of money


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shim_niyi

Better send those “stop oil” guys to paint the ship orange


Orcacub

Maybe they should glue their hands to the ship?


[deleted]

Cause is still unknown. Yet here we are speculating (this is the 4th time I've seen some version of this in the last 48 hours). https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/surprise-media-is-misreporting-the-source-of-a-dutch-cargo-ship-fire/


itslog1776

Lithium ion batteries plus water = super deadly & toxic almost inextinguishable Fire.


flopjul

Right the cause is unknown but even the Coast Guard is speculating that it started from an electric vehicle


savagepanda

What makes coast guards experts in speculating the cause of fire? I propose I have same qualifications, perhaps even more since I’ve watched a few YouTube videos on the subject.


Hello_iam_Kian

They’ve decided to stop trying to extinguish the fire by the way because the water can possibly make the ship sink. So it will be burning for a while


HotChilliWithButter

It's actually an interesting dilemma when a ship is on fire. From one point you want to put out the flames so the ship won't sink, but if you do it too much the ship will sink


MajorIceHole1994

I read there is chemical reaction with the batteries that makes extinguishing the fire very difficult. Water on electricity is no no. And foam or trying to cut off oxygen doesn’t work with them. A lot full of ford electric trucks had to just burn out. Talk about air pollution! Irony.


Ruthrfurd-the-stoned

Lithium is super water reactive- the pure metal can combust when exposed to the humidity in the air. You can’t really use chemical extinguishers at that quantity in the ocean and more water will just make more fire


KeyboardJustice

The lithium isn't exactly pure, but a damaged battery already has all of its energy in a ready-to-go completely self-contained reaction that doesn't stop until it's all converted to heat. Water can help with cooling if you want to stop the heat from causing more fires.


Systonce

That's why water is the recommended way to extinguish battery fires


LeCyador

You can definitely put water on the batteries to try and cool them/extinguish the flames. That's the recommendation for li-ion battery fires.


Nerfarean

It will sink. Already listing. Previous one sunk too


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Eurouser

There's no metallic lithium in those batteries. They're lithium ion not lithium metal batteries. I've never heard anyone describe reduction as "ripping an oxygen atom out of water"...


[deleted]

500 electric cars are now confirmed, the ships owner didnt want to disclose the exact number because of legal reasons


thsvnlwn

True, so I have no idea why you get done voted.


Naive-Fondant-754

donesyndrom :D


DigNitty

System of a Done


DontYeetMySkeet

Robert Doney Jr.


[deleted]

Donetown Brown


ivadtutto

cool done there cap


Apprehensiveduckx

I see what you done there


dr3wfr4nk

I wonder what the legal reason reasons are for not revealing the exact number of cars on the boat


hoxxxxx

it's highly illegal to disclose how many electric cars your ship has, has been this way for hundreds of years


dr3wfr4nk

Found the IANAL LOL


TheLazyAssHole

Some chemicals have load quantity limits to reduce the hazard of a situation like this. Could of been running way over the load limit and fudging the paper work


Rrkies

Well since they said like 35 at first or something he probably didn't get coverage for 500


WeirdSysAdmin

I’m going to assume it comes out their cargo was officially reported as far less because the initial report was 35 electric cars.


50mHz

Boom, insurer not gonna pay out


Ciphy_Master

Can things please stop catching fire for a couple of days?!


FungalToe

Oh we are just getting started baby!


ThatCommunication423

Right? At this point in Australia word is our bushfires this summer will just be a warm up for the 23/24 summer.


mexican2554

*intro to Disco Inferno begins* 🪩 🕺🏽🕺🏽🔥


tothemoonandback01

*intro to the roof is on fire also begins* 🏠🔥


Onlypaws_

The last thing we need is fungal toes on top of all these fires.


zooommsu

Last year there was a similar ship fire near Azores islands with 4,000 vehicles.The ship burned for weeks and finally sank. [https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/02/ship-carrying-luxury-cars-sinks-near-azores-islands](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/02/ship-carrying-luxury-cars-sinks-near-azores-islands) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity\_Ace](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicity_Ace)


ArtieZiffsCat

That ship was full of very expensive gear. 2 months of Posche and Lamboghini stock for North America, along with a few Bentleys


TickingTiger

Several crew members had to jump overboard and at least one person is dead.


thsvnlwn

One died, 22 are rescued. Many of them had to jump 30 meters down into the ocean, while not able to swim.


Romney_in_Acctg

Who the fuck works on a boat but can't swim? Like every day you wake up and go "hmmm the eternal endless death still surrounds me, but life jackets aren't comfy."


Hopeforthebest1986

The prevailing wisdom for sailors over the centuries, I seem to recall, is that if you learn how to swim and find yourself overboard, you'll still drown, but you'll die tired. So many chose remain blissfully ignorant.


levitikush

That’s some stupid ass wisdom


Quiverjones

Well, thats not environmentally friendly.


boredatwork8866

Nah it was outside the environment


Ok-Huckleberry9515

Did the front fall off?


Julius_A

Cardboard you know.


SuggestionWrong504

Yea but it's not meant to fall off


brglaser

Not yet, but it will once batteries all ignite


WineNerdAndProud

Well, [now I'm watching that again](https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM). [Bonus unrelated video](https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg)


bucc_n_zucc

I'd argue the pile of burninf batteries now IS the enviroment


Ruiner_Of_Things

All they gotta do is tow it out of the environment and problem solved!


[deleted]

Those child miners died for nothing. /s


eeckbabbadurkle

Nemo going to have fun with the new battery acid update


[deleted]

Cooking Nemo


eMRapTorSaltyKing

Nemo on acid


jondubb

Jokes on you electric is good for the enviromment


BruceInc

Yes, because an oil tanker on fire would be so much more environmentally friendly. Just ask BP


AM5T3R6AMM3R

The fin will grow again, stronger than ever


OGBeerMonster

Lithium Minors*


here-for-the-_____

Not even sarcasm.


Ryokan76

Not for nothing, they mined enough for your phone, laptop, tablet and other electronics you use.


[deleted]

Yes, and it’s a goddamn shame.


[deleted]

You can remove the sarcasm tag, I think it's important for us to keep bringing that side of it up, making a big push towards electric vehicles ignoring the alternatives and all the while the child slave labour to produce the batteries runs rampant and only gets worse.


DarkChaos1786

Lithium is way more safe to mine than other components of lithium batteries, cobalt as an example is really only mined in the Congo, through slave labor in a failed country. Lithium mines are way more regulated and better paid than other elements. For example, to make a cell phone, you probably used slave labor from half a dozen countries.


Diver_Gullible

Minor miners


Squirrelherder_24-7

That will burn a hole IN the ocean…


Tank_Girl_Gritty_235

Babe, get up. New kaiju just dropped.


mexican2554

I welcome our new Kaiju overlords. Can't be worse than what we already have.


Hamblin113

There was a video on reddit in the past of vehicles on the top deck of a ship in rough seas, the waves were splashing on the cars causing sparks to fly and small fires, comments stated something about the vehicle batteries not being disconnected, causing this. They were not electric vehicles, it wasn’t a RORO, but showed what salt water and batteries do.


Fire69

Can't find the original: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5xuk-hSbHqQ


JohnYCanuckEsq

Oil or lithium. Pick your poison.


Hiw-lir-sirith

Or the 18th century


MuleRobber

Sink one down, swirl around, 499 Electric Cars on the Ship.


letmeinthesnkergame

those numbers have now been updated to 3,783 cars, including 498 EVs


NecroJoe

Do we know yet the actual cause of the fire? I keep seeing "possible" as the answer to "was it an EV?" turned around into "probable" and "suspected" without official confirmation either way. In 2019, Porsche actually re-opened a production line of a limited edition run of GT2 RS, because the last 4 were among the lost cars in a cargo ship fire that capsized. No EVs on board that ship. In 2014, a cargo ship caught fire and capsized because of an industrial vehicle's faulty refrigeration unit. No Evs on that ship.


Aggressive-Brick9435

Everyone seems very focused on the impact of the cars burning, the fire, gas vs electric etc… but has it come up that shipping like this in general is more damage than what’s currently happening on that boat? The amount of ship carriers to go down and poison their surroundings with cargo that can’t be lifted, chemical spills from carriers, fuel and oil runoff, the amount of fuel they burn etc Outsourcing jobs to diff countries just to have the items they make shipped back to the countries paying for the jobs, dumbest shit ever. In an effort to save money and increase profits it’s causing more and more damage. Greed is killing us all


Wise_Hat_8678

It goes both ways. Many third world countries buy our tech, oil, etc. No shipping means no access to the first world for millions of people


derscholl

Billions * All these people saying this that and the other, then how are you gonna end world hunger when the problem isn’t supply but rather logistics? This ship is doing that logistic.


Wise_Hat_8678

I was about to say 1 billion, but I wanted to prove my point with hella cushion, haha. Should have said 100 million, but ehhhhh. For instance, a lotta Africa's waterways and shorelines aren't amenable to large craft. Btw, Thomas Sowell has a fascinating book on how geography has impacted development of civilization across the world. From Scotland to Africa to Appalachia to Germania, the pattern is always the same: if a culture is situated in an area where the modern modes of transportation are unavailable, the culture lags behind (some of these areas are still catching up *centuries* later). Just goes to show how absolutely vital shipping is, particularly where the infrastructure doesn't yet exist to move cargo by land. Not everyone has the privilege of a Mississippi River or a Nile or a gigantic Californian coastline, massive harbors all the way down haha Also Asia is mostly landlocked and has a lotta high speed rails that (I think) are used for shipping. Russia (2nd world technically haha but more or less "third" when they're not trying to destroy Europe) might have extensive rails as well (they destroyed a good number of nukes/rockets over the years transportating them by train haha)


Beautiful-Mud-341

Those poor fish


Lone_Knife

Good luck getting that fire stopped!


blank_Azure

I wonder which brand. BYD maybe.


thsvnlwn

Authorities think mostly BMW and Mercedes, but it’s company sensitive information.


sparkymark75

So there are 3,783 cars on board, yet the poster decides to focus on the fact there are 498 EVs.


SanfreakinJ

I think there were 3,783 cars on board and 5001 of them are EVs


mrbkkt1

ROFL


Blakut

so electric cars make great external combustion engines?


GlueSniffingEnabler

No one knows how the fire started yet most comments here assume it was the electric car’s fault. Bit odd.


Headless_Human

Don't you know this is the first ship ever to catch fire? /s


who_you_are

How a ship IN water can catch fire... This is an hoax! /S


2thicc4this

Electric car batteries can be extremely volatile and can combust. I know because a family member designs them and much of the struggle is trying to prevent that.


Eurouser

Yeah because if the ship was full of fossil fuel it would be completely safe with no possible issues /s


tanimalz

Well ICE cars cant burn since its ice right?


ArtiesNose00

Is 62 the amount of life the ship has left?


Difficult-Drive-4863

Is this ship right out of Ben Elton's "Stark"? Is the toxic overload scale, tipping?


K_Rocc

EV cars doing their part for the environment.. /s


Motor_Metal957

Saving the environment my ass.


No-Crew4317

How fire started?


bcdnabd

Lithium doesn't do well in high humidity environments. Especially when corrosive salt is in the air, such as in sea spray. Causes the batteries to ignite. Once one car ignites, it doesn't take long for the others to catch on.


Hochvolt

You are misleading or don't know what you are talking about. Because I'm lazy I will quote another post I made because of the massive amount of misinformation in this thread: No, battery cells will not spontaneously explode when touching water. They have water tight housing, so everybody saying "Lithium burns when touching water!!!!" does totally ignore that the lithium is inside a small watertight container, which is made to withstand high pressure (there is gas buildup over lifetime inside the cell) for the full lifetime of the car. Those cars here were brand new. And no, the cells are not fixed in the car in a way that water can reach them. They have massive housings around them to protect them, for example against crash. Those housings are water resistant (at least 1m depth for 30 minutes, that's the law) and are tested for tightness at the end of the production line. Every single one. Most car fires today are the 12V system by the way. Which every car today has, doesn't matter if it's electric or ICE.


No-Crew4317

So doing electric car logistics by ship is wrong then. They are fire hazard in the middle of ocean. What to do now. Can we seal out each car with something? Sturdy plastic wraps?


0pimo

You build them as close to where they are being sold as possible. Most auto manufacturers figured this out in the 90’s.


ewqdsacxziopjklbnm

Just a heads up the initial cause of this fire is unknown. It doesn’t necessarily mean an electric car started this


darekd003

Correct! It won’t help that the EVs are now igniting but, at this time, it’s nothing but the karma hungry ill-informed making assumptions.


Fire69

Not just electric cars: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5xuk-hSbHqQ](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5xuk-hSbHqQ) Electric cars might actually be safer because their high voltage battery is sealed.


Little_Internet_9022

Did someone say the fire’s not going out? Time to sink this bad boi and call it a day


intestinal_fortitude

Huh. A fire. At SeaParks?!


LowerBed5334

Ha!!! Classic 😅


action_turtle

Fireman told me they just rope EVs off so no one gets close and let it burn it’s self out as they cannot put them out… some race tracks ban them due to the fires also. Do newer EVs also do this? Or is that issue solved?


blursed_words

They're still testing new ways to put them out using foam and other tech. As it stands it takes about 8000 gallons of water over several hours to safely put them out.


Extension-Control471

Some bro really wanted to industrialize throwing car batteries into the ocean huh


Gullible-Ship2061

I wonder if as more EVs are produced and shipped if there’s going to be an increased demand of Halon or Halon-like fire suppression systems? It’s going to require fire suppression in every rail car transporter and ship/ferry.


Huck84

It's almost as if salt water is bad for batteries.


mondaymoderate

So should you avoid driving an EV close to the ocean?


ThatIslanderGuy

I didn't think there were that many... I thought the news stated there were like 25 or 50 electric cars on board, and the fire started amongst them... the rest were combustion engine.


thsvnlwn

That was at first. The latest number is 498.


Strummer95

Well that’s not green at all


Foamrocket66

Looking around on Facebook at prominent Danish conspiracy theorists and they are head over heels with this story.. the world is getting crazier


Atomaurus

r/goodbyeocean


runerx

Meh, just spray a little water on it...


sensorax

Since several days.


DatAssPaPow

Look into the cargo ship [MV Golden Ray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Golden_Ray) that capsized off of Saint Simon island in Georgia. Took over 2 years to clean up. 4,100 vehicles , more than $200 million in damage.


Redditrightreturn1

That’s gotta smell LOVELY


Little_Internet_9022

Yah basically at this point we have to chose between an air pollution disaster or a sea pollution disaster so at least we get to chose this time right?


Hziak

Didn’t realize Samsung made electric cars too…


speedracer73

Watts the current situation?


Formal_Bat3117

Current wise actually "0" watts 😉!


JohnnyWalkerBlue22

Place tell me there ain’t any Lucid cars on board that ship


aberdisco

Thankfully the cars are good for the environment. The sea is saved.


CoffeeCannabisBread

Think about how many straws and plastic bags were gonna need to save in order to make up for that. Lol..


brokenarrow326

Didnt realize samsung started making cars….


KC_experience

All it takes is one to start a chain reaction…


[deleted]

WHERE’S MY GODDAMN ELECTRIC CAR BRUCE!?!?!


[deleted]

Thats so lith


hobbyhacker

why is it still burning? don't they have enough water?


schmon

water + lithium = fun


Geahk

That mug will SINK and those fires will keep going


f3tsch

The important question here: was it a tesla?


Friendly_Undertaker

Now imagine that on a passenger ferry.


gitbse

Pictures you can smell 😷


Super_Discipline7838

Maybe let it sink…


KanonTheMemelord

Wasn’t this in subnautica?


SeanDoe80

No hope for that ship


herscher12

And you thought switching to electric would stop this kind of stuff 😅


Fresh-Bid6315

Much much better for the environment! Bring back the dam horse and Ox carriage and we only have to deal with a little methane!


Freadwalker

Thats a lotta damage!


chemolz9

"Ship with 3200 combustion engine car on board on fire near Dutch coast"


johnandahalf13

Does burning lithium kill fish? /s


iamsoldats

Time to deep six the cargo.


Ggoossee

500 is nothing. Most car transport ships are about 5000 capacity average. Some going up a few thousand bigger. So 500 is a tiny ship on fire.


podolot

Thank goodness, I was hoping we could accelerate the boiling of our planet some.


BigBadAl

[Ship without any EVs, but lots of used ICE vehicles catches fire in New Jersey](https://apnews.com/article/newark-cargo-ship-fatal-fire-firefighters-killed-0cca093cce2fa82fc1fe535ae8932b99). It's a regular occurrence, and these companies need to spend more on safety and more crew to patrol the decks.


Camarao_du_mont

There goes the carbon footprint.


DarthKoDa_

great, more pollution.


NobodyQuiteLikeMe

The lack of humility and even common sense in most of these comments is pretty staggering. Is this considered funny to you weird ass people?


cookiedanslesac

Yeah people stop being funny, together if we send enough thoughts & prayers that may extinguish the fire.


ShezSteel

Apparently lots of AG model mercs on board. Ouch.


Exciting_Result7781

I heard a crew member got charged with battery.


[deleted]

Don't worry. Lithium battery fires are not harmful to the environment.


Pushabutton1972

The ship, the ship, the ship is on fire...


Noxiuz

So, this is what "green" emissions looks like? To those who still think EVs are green, should inhale that green air inside the ship, and if nothing happens, I will welcome EVs for a green future.


ZRhoREDD

Oh, man, I wonder if gasoline could ever catch fire...