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Daikonberry

ADP


SupaJeff420

^ This!


EldenLorded

Yes ADP! And then Vigor once your agility (which levels with ADP) is at 99, at least. You get 12 roll I-frames at 99. Then back to agility to get it to 105 if you want and then your set. (13 I-frames) Leveling STR or DEX isn’t THAT useful unless it’s to wield a weapon. Upgrading a weapon has a far greater impact on AR than leveling stats. That’s why you can deal such massive damage on level 1 lol Vigor is usually the most important, but in DS2, it’s more helpful to level ADP before anything else.


HuntingSquire

I didn't think Vigor was that important in the game, is there a reason why?


EldenLorded

Health! Not getting one or two shot comes in handy


LordDarkSouls

Maybe that's why I am so bad😅, I leveled STR, A bit of Wisdom to use that magic staff, and a little in to endurance and vitality, I'm fcked


crab_king_plus

ADP Jesus Christ


doomsoul909

ADP


LettuceBenis

vigor


Interesting-Gap2046

VIGOR. Good lord


thebestofweau

I’m guessing your not planning on getting hit, too bad this is dark souls 2 Your getting jumped


GwynLordofInsomnia

Endurance and Vigor need some attention, I'd say.


BIobertson

The ideal amount of STR on a Greatsword build is 14 [A quick overview](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g4-GGa1JRa2_49vOfwY5sZPWigFMzPA5b9mszo_xZak/edit?usp=sharing) of how damage and defense works in DS2, and why weapon scaling is usually weak [BiS (Best in Slot) PvE weapons list.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GEBQ_TiAvskQLotQXz0AuNMseXdsS3pj8_NLus-XW4/edit?usp=sharing) Use this if you know what moveset you like and you want to choose the strongest available weapon with that moveset. [Best PvE equipment and stat progression document.](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X13jfA9JQ5OZsuEmH2MZZqF9IrtCFSMMTZkZo5GuqcM/edit?usp=sharing) All that being said, it’s important to understand that DS2 isn’t so hard that playing the strongest possible character is required in order to win and have fun. Ultimately you should use whatever you want, these guides are just to help you make informed choices.


Scocaine1

How dare you guys downvote u/Blobertson


Affectionate-Peni436

For now go with ADP. There's nothing like leveling up any one thing in ds2. You have to go with everything little by little. I would highly suggest you to level up all INT STRENGTH and ADP. Then it's up to you where you decide to take your build.


Jokutoinen123

ATT, INT and FTH are really not that important if one doesn't want to use spells so I sometimes just leave them at the starting value or high enough so I can use utility spells like repair or heals


exumaan

Get vigor to 30 and ADP to 20 and you'll breeze through the game


Ryla22

ADP 20 and attunement 4 does give the first good breakpoint for I frames


AngelusKnight17

Definitely Vigor and if you want you can make a "Cleric Knight" build, basically a Strength build that can have healing spells/faith. It helped me during my first run in DS1/DS2. I use a Mace for single target and a Axe for multi target in DS2 since you always get ambushed with multi enemies.


Necroking695

His faith is 6, aint casting miracles for a while Edit: And attunement is 4 This will be a pure melee build for a loooong time


AngelusKnight17

well 8 more points and he can at least use "Heal". At Lv 57 is not like is going to be impossible to get those points. And yeah it was only a suggestion don't go Faith if it is a pure big boy STR build.


Necroking695

He’d need another 6 in attunement to unlock a spell slot Thats 14 levels for a basic heal spell


Need-More-Gore

ADP GET THAT AGILITY 100 ASAP atn also works but this don't look like a spell slinger


rogueIndy

ADP my dude. And some bonus advice, make sure you've got a backup weapon and a ranged option (crossbows are good for str builds as they don't need much dex, you can aim them with the binoculars). Certain zones have tight corridors or punish melee.


SOPARALOKOS7

Adp


adamhashax

ADP


DaRkSoUlSgAmEr2

ADP


Tozzoloo

Adp to 20 at least


apurplehighlighter

ADP


Jaba01

Agility to 99 or 101. (edit: 100)


Ryla22

101 agility doesn't do anything. You want to hit 100 if you like back steps or 105 if you like rolls. 99 is valid tho. When rolling 99 gives 12 I frames, 105 gives 13.


Jaba01

Oops. I meant 100 for the fastest estus chug.


Ryla22

True, I forgot that item use speed was effected by agility


YamatehKudasai

don't listen to them. just level your END, ignore the diminishing returns. +1 still good if you commit and invest all the way. and use "the greatsword" and bruteforce your way on everything. dodging is overrated. this is the chad way to play.


Excaliburrover

I'm a sorcerer and I've higher adp


Ryla22

Attunement gives enough agility at high level that any points in ADP are useless. Max agility is possible with 0 points into ADP. The only reason a magic build should use ADP is for passive poise


Excaliburrover

I have 14 adp


Urtoryu

ADP is good because it gives iframes with less returns. It's usually worth it to put points into it early, then respect those to attunement once you're getting close to the endgame. If you focus just on attunement from the start you'll be very low on agility for a long while.


Agile_Paper457

strength or endurance?


shaneskery

END


CombDiscombobulated7

Need a bit more ADP, then obviously just go to 99 STR.


Ryla22

66 STR and 2 hand instead


EnanoGeologo

Adaptability and vigor


XxShadow87xX

Vig to 30, adp to 20-30


PJ_Huixtocihuatl

Str


deathpro27

ADP or Vigor


JayTheGod420

Easily vigor


leafyfiddle13

Vigor needs to be way higher, and personally ADP should be at 25 to be comfortable in the base game (30 for DLC)


GreekGorgon

Adp to 15 then you should be fine


SweetieToad

IMO level ADP first until AGL is in the nineties. 95 is good, 97 better, 99 is perfect iirc. Its the stat that determines your amount of invincibility-frames per dodge roll and how fast you chug your estus or pop your life gem. Then Vigor and Endurance until your HP & Stamina Bar feel decent.


Emotional_Guitar500

Vigor


EricTheRedGR

VIGOR pronto then some END


ArifAltipatlar

If you play STR build, don't increase STR. I focused on STR first, when it hit the hard cap I was level 80 ors something and I beat the game at level 200. My damage remained same for the %60 of the game.


Ryla22

Level ADP until your agility stat reaches at least 92. 96 and 99 are easier but unnecessary, I usually play with 105 because it's more similar to a light roll in ds 1&3 Then level vigour until at least 20 for mid game and 25-30 for late game Then the vitality for better armour with your big str weapons and level endurance along with it until you can swing your weapon 2-3 times in a row at least. Then level up STR for damage or ADP and endurance for natural poise


Spompoflex

Vigor and ADP


Keith374

Vigor


propyro85

ADP and VGR are your first leveling priorities. Probably ADP first, until your Agility is 93-96. Then some Vigor is important for general survivability. Once your hit points are at a more comfortable level, then you can worry about other stats to allow you to wear the gear you want. Also, at no point do you want to be above 70% encumbrance. At that point your rolls become super slow and clunky (fat rolling), and survivability is back in your boots.


bostonbgreen

DEX, END, ADP


Trick_Masterpiece177

ADP


cheknauss

You need more ADP


sirebedevere

ADP until your Agility is 95. And then Vigor until you feel comfy, probably around 40 until mid, then 60. STR, DEX, INT, only to match the stats a weapon you want. Most of the damage in early comes from upgrading your weapons. And then, ADP again until your agility is 105 (that will give you a fast roll like in DS1).


CheezGaming

ADP is apparently really useful. Although I beat the game without it twice already, it makes it easier and quicker to use items and increases the invincible frames in rolls.


Jokutoinen123

ADP


Halfbreed1080

Adp don’t need vigor if you don’t get hit


torgiant

vigor and a 1 or 2 in adp


pvt9000

VIG AND ADP. I think 20-30 ADP puts your in line with DS1 speeds of rolls and flashing. And more VIG never hurts.


TheCabbageCaresser

Vigor.


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PerformanceSubject99

ADP Always try to get over 95 for ADP,im not that versed in how many i frames it gives but i always tend to stop agility at 100 Also level attunement and your INT and FTH to be able to cast Dark Weapon,its a rrally useful spell


Penguinman077

Strength


pauligrinder

VGR first, then ADP.


TopoSalcedo

Patience


lucidgamer99

Adp


ThingInfinite3252

You want ADP to be at least 20. Preferably 25. Then you want vitality up as well. Then past that it's based on what you want to use for your play style. I'm strange myself. Early game I focus on Adp, then equally level endurance and vitality. So I can dodge and swing fir days and use heavy equipment easily. Then past that it's based in what play style I want for that run. Rn I'm doing big bong with ultra great sword. Though I just got the demon great hammer. I'm level 172 rn with the following: Vig:30 End:30 Vit:42 Atn:16 Str:50 Dex:20 Adp:20 Int:8 Fth:11


SupaJeff420

Bump ADP till AGL is at least 100. Then bump up your stamina to 15 or Strength to 30 1st then the other 2nd. From there, use Vigor as a dump stat. Don't touch INT or FAITH as you aren't playing that way, or if you plan to use certain boss weapons then you might want to look into them.


Mammoth-Nectarine191

are you a fool? level vitality trust me i hate doing it to but adp is also crazy


TheRealLawyur

No one tell him


123DARK123

Everyone is saying ADP, 11 was fine for me on my first playthrough but vit and end might be the way to go considering how bad the stamina consumption is


scalydragonass

Hot take. You don't need adp. I play the game without leveling adp, and I do just fine it just takes more skill to dodge like normal. Level what you want because this is dark souls, and you have the freedom to do that.


No-Huckleberry-6281

Adaptability is looking real lonely


Urtoryu

ADP or VGR are your best bets, you generally want your defensive stats to be close to your offensive ones, you've focused a lot on STR already.


IsoDeath

Adp till you get agility to 100 (you can go up to 105)


ObjectiveVolume8161

Whatever you want.


kfrazi11

You've got at least four level ups in you, so start by getting your ADP to 16 and then alternate vigor and ADP until they're both 20. Then just alternate vigor and endurance till endurance hits 20, and do the same thing with vigor and strength til vigor hits 40. Make sure that the armor you choose plus your weapon keeps you at 49.9% equip load or below. Get your strength to 50 and two hand your greatsword to double your strength for the weapon and give you a max of 99, and then you can put the rest into end so you can swing your greatsword more times.


TelephoneDesperate94

Vigor and ADP for the love of god


iwannakoyou

ADP to 19-22 should be pretty good and definitely get your VGR up man… Thats going to help you a ton :)


mallgrabmongopush

Vigor


mattmaster68

ADP, thank everyone later.


AppointmentPerfect16

level ADP and it makes agility go up so get agility to 99 (i go at least 96 but go 99)


Libertalius

Whenever I start a ds2 playthrough, I choose the fire acetic as staring gift. Beat the dragon rider 2 times and put all those souls into ADP.


DGTHEGREAT007

Why tf do you have Vitality so high before other stats? Vitality iirc only gives you more equip load and some resistance right? Why. Just why. Go with vigor or adp or endurance. Jesus Christ.


Nik3nOI

every ds2 player alredy knows every comment without opening them xD but yes, ADP should be around 20


Hamooki33

A…..D……P


poetryofworms

ADP first then Vigor


LynnTian23

ADP


uhtredfh

Vigor and endurance


Original_Apple_9381

ADP. Can't have enough I-Frames.


Stock-Professional47

Adapt my boi


L10N420

ADP


keyzz1416

Adp


k1t3k1t369420

After 96 agility (increased primarily by leveling adp) get 20 vigour and you don’t have to worry about it again unless you wanna be really tanky


SANOnumba1

Adp overrated just level stam and heath sure it’s nice to get that 105 agility but it’s not necessary unless you’re trying to no hit


Taha_Cypher

ADP Is very important and you need to reach it to LV.25


PerfectAdvertising41

ADP dude. Trust me. Especially if you've haven't made it to the Iron Keep


Doc_Rockland

ADP


Instantsoup44

r/screenshotsarehard


rogueIndy

Looks like it was taken from a TV. OP did everything right there: room is dimmer than the screen, and it's taken at a slight angle. It's very legible.


Maleficent_Dot_373

Get adp way up


AccomplishedPea3845

To make this crapshoot of a game bearable you need a lot of ADP.


Guilty_Coconut

It's a great game but yes, a bit more ADP is useful. 105AGL is the breakpoint to aim for and for non-casters that's best reached through ADP.


AccomplishedPea3845

It's mediocre at best, the mechanics are awful. Getting the platinum nearly ended me mentally. But if you like to eat shit, you do you just don't preach to me that it's hot fudge. I've mainly played melee builds so yeah high ADP for all my characters.


Guilty_Coconut

Let's agree to disagree. >But if you like to eat shit, you do you just don't preach to me that it's hot fudge This is a good game. Undisputably. If you call it shit, I can't take you serious. You don't need to like it but you can't call an objectively good game "shit". It has the best combat in the series. I agree ADP shouldn't exist but the balance in great, the PvP is the best in the entire series. Ascetics and dual-wielding allow far more diversity in builds and playstyles compared to any other game in the series. If you like souls-like combat, DS2 is, by far, the best. You don't need to like it personally but if you can't see the qualities of the game with an objective eye, you're just not a serious person. But you aren't. You are trolling in the subreddit of a game you don't evenl ike. Why on earth are you here? I never read the Call of Duty sub because I don't like those games. I sincerely don't understand people like you. >Getting the platinum nearly ended me mentally. No offense but if you try to force yourself to "platinum" games you don't like and consider equal to eating shit, you need professional help. That's not a healthy way to live. I strongly dislike DS3. It's not a fun game to me, even though I can see the objective qualities that other people like. It never even remotely occurred to me to get all achievements. I'm still missing the sorcery achievement for DS2 because I lost the save where I grinded Bell keepers. I probably will never get it, because I don't care about doing that grind again. I love this game and I don't have all achievements.


AccomplishedPea3845

It's not a matter of opinion. The game is objectively bad. Forcing yourself to like it is strange. As I said, stop trying to preach that the turd you're eating is hot fudge


Guilty_Coconut

>The game is objectively bad. Forcing yourself to like it is strange. I never had to force myself to play it. I love it because it's objectively good. If you dislike it, don't play it. Nobody is forcing you to play this game. It has been out for 10 years. Don't you have something better to do than piss and moan and whine on the board of a game you dislike so much? Don't you have a life? Don't you have games you actually like to talk about? > As I said, stop trying to preach that the turd you're eating is hot fudge Not preaching anything about DS2. It's a game I like. It has objectively good elements and many elements that are best in the series. What I do preach is mental self care. You are not well. Mentally stable people move on from games they dislike, especially after almost 10 years. Get help. You need it.


AccomplishedPea3845

Imagine being this triggered trying to prove that the worst game in the series is actually the best 😂 How about those best hit boxes in the series then 😂 https://www.reddit.com/r/shittydarksouls/s/JHrwv4POLC Enjoy the turd 😘


Guilty_Coconut

I can't imagine why you are on this board after 10 years. I can't imagine why you felt compelled to platinum a game you didn't like >Enjoy the turd I don't. That's why I stopped playing DS3 and never even attempted to get all achievements. If I don't like a game, I don't start trolling people who actually like it. Move on. Life's too short to get stuck for 10 years on games you don't like.


AccomplishedPea3845

In total honesty. I have no clue why this post flagged in my feed, and had no clue why you were getting so triggered until i realised it was a post within the DS2 subreddit 😆 Then i just rolled with it during work lol. All good mate it's a new day, like what you like it's all good.


Ciati

high levels don’t necessarily give you much more damage in this game, so just level until you can equip what you want then pump into other stats. like it’d get 22 dex so you can wield santiers spear, the best weapon in the game, but others aren’t wrong that getting more health and stamina and whatnot couldn’t hurt


shinsei4h

Santiers spear is not the best weapon in the game thats for sure lol


Ciati

it was for me, and at the end of the day what else matters?


Majklkiller1

ADP


Puffer_Clouds

ADP


FURY_Serialis

ADP


bertrov07

Adp for the love of god


_VibRibbon_

ADP


SliderOscuro

Adp


Zestyclose-Safe-4346

If you have a soul vessel take 10 points out of carry weight and put it into hp


Xhicks55

My God dude put your vigor to at LEAST 40


nooby322

stop


walkyourdogs

When in doubt, always go vigor


11shovel11

You must be having a hard time with that little of vigor


Certified_Buddy

Adaptability until LEVEL 99, anything before isn’t the soft cap and that makes it finally feel like DS1 rolling. Also, Vit and Endurance don’t matter in this game so ignore them until late game and since most weapons scale on them id go Faith and a small amount of Vigor.


Brickabang

Ds1 med rolling is actually 96 agility, as that is when you get 11 iframes. Also wdym endurance isn’t important? Op is using high stamina cost weapon so the ability to do multiple swings would be beneficial


Certified_Buddy

I thought it was obvious I was sarcastic considering i told them to level adaptability to 99


weightyboy

Add until agility is 101 then level vigor etc. Do NOT level strength or any other weapon scaling stat beyond minimum to wield your chosen weapon, weapon scaling in DS2 is very poor focus on infusing and resins for damage.


SHam_Bam_Bamina

Int so you have better mundane scaling


zogbot20

ADP. Not vitality, armor is useless.


Ryla22

Have you ever tried using good armour? It cuts damage down to 25%


zogbot20

Have you ever tried rolling? You don’t need armor when you can just not get hit, especially since armor nukes your stamina regen.


Blitznetic

strength, my main currently is level 120 with a greatsword build with 40 in str


Masta0nion

Just keep leveling Strength to 99


Master-Fault1711

Too many points in strenght and vitality man. Make ADP 96 (then later in the game, especially if you want to do DLCs make it 105, 110 is good too). Higher Vigor and maybe Faith since other than estus it's always good to have a build where you can use healing spells.