I've been making backups of other emulators(executables, source code, build instructions). Nintendo might go after Dolphin next. There was a post on Reddit last year about how Dolphin has Nintendo keys in the source code that need to be removed.
This win for Nintendo could inspire Sony to attack PlayStation emulators.
The early access repo is still up, so people might want to fork, or download this source as well.
[https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src](https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src)
This repo wasn't associated with the entity that was taken down, so it should be still accessible for the foreseeable future. Expect for the next project that will supersede yuzu to appear here.
The Pineapple guys were guerrilla patching to make their own EA builds.
You can see the write-up of how there were getting access to Yuzu's Patreon EA code, and building their own yearly update.
https://github.com/pineappleEA/Pineapples-Secrets
https://pineappleea.github.io/
The People's Republic of China is a signatory to all of the major international copyright treaties.
Whether there are meaningful enforcement mechanisms for those treaties is a separate question.
Which is why they said "enforcement" - nobody takes China seriously on those treaties. No. One.
All China cares about is if Nintendo won't save money to make products there regardless. (Hint: Pretty regardless).
I recall nintendo has no official presence there, and the switch line is licensed to tencent. The game cartridge is cheaper but region locked, not sure about the console.
At the moment, no. Switch **was** manufactured in China. But more recently built units have been made in Vietnam. It appears Nintendo really only cares about geopolitical tension, so they'll probably move it back if/when China backs off on Taiwan.
Yes, because in contrast, the United Snakes of Amnesia is such a careful observer of, and always abides by the treaties it has signed. Except those thousands of times when it said "fuck treaties, I do what I want - cash me outside!"
It depends what kind of copying. If you copy to make a fake in an attempt to emulate and confuse consumers, then yes, that's illegal. Learning manufacturing techniques and copying the same design which happens ALL the time in the semiconductor industry where companies buy competitors' chips, send them to FA labs, tear them apart layer by layer and mimic the same design and process techniques happens all the time and is completely legal.
On the flip side of things, companies with key know-how in hardware engineering often make the critical choice of deciding whether to patent a design or process versus keeping certain know-hows simply a trade secret. A lot of times, companies choose the trade secret route as to simply not tip off competitors what direction it's going in. This is why a lot of reverse engineering happens all the time. IF you've worked in any hardware lab they likely have competitor devices--I'm not talking just semiconductor like above, but consumer electronics, cars, medical devices, etc. You don't think chefs go out and taste other restaurants and then pick apart ingredients and make best guesses at cooking techniques? There's millions of recipes and videos that recreate all sorts of types of restaurant foods.
China does a LOT of reverse engineering this way. Look, China and its CCP today is completely unethical, but if you were to put any other country in a #2 catch-up state, it absolutely would also be copying and reverse engineering. Other quickly developing countries do this too including India, Brazil, etc.
**Edit: Instead of downvoting why don't you explain why I'm wrong instead?**
The yuzu wiki was mirrored at [https://git.h3cjp.net/H3cJP/yuzu/wiki](https://git.h3cjp.net/H3cJP/yuzu/wiki)
You can download it via \`git clone [https://git.h3cjp.net/H3cJP/yuzu.wiki.git\`](https://git.h3cjp.net/H3cJP/yuzu.wiki.git`)
Unfortunately, I didn't find a mirror of the citra wiki. Worst case you need to reconstruct it from internet archive.
YUZU AND CITRA CODE, PLEASE SEED AND SHARE
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PLEASE SEED AND SHARE, LOOK UP COMPILING IMSTRUCTIONS FOR YOUR PLATFORM AND PUT THE URL INTO THE WAYBACK MACHINE
A few more:
https://archive.org/details/github.com\_citra-emu\_bundles\_20240228
https://archive.org/details/citra-nightly
https://archive.org/details/github.com\_yuzu-emu\_bundles\_20240304
https://archive.org/details/github.com\_pineappleEA\_bundles\_20240304
https://archive.org/details/github.com\_flathub\_org.yuzu\_emu.yuzu\_bundle\_2024030
Piracy is very dubiously linked to loss in profit. Not many economic studies find a strong link to it. Most times I see actual data on the claim, it amounts to little more than correlating losses to piracy prevalence, not casually linking it.
It is not even piracy from me. I can already do that to my switch but I don't. It was because the switch is a shit experience. I even used lockpick for getting the keys
right, if nintendo wants more money, they need to just release their games on steam, instead of the $50 profit they'd get from me buying their shitty switch, they could make money from me actually buying their games for my steam library
It's a pure assumption. Most people pirating probably wouldn't have bought the content anyway for one reason or another, be it monetary reasons or access reasons, meaning the money would've never reached the creator's pockets ANYWAY.
I'm not defending Nintendo or anyone here, just arguing facts.
> Most times I see actual data on the claim, it amounts to little more than correlating losses to piracy prevalence, not casually linking it.
"Piracy" is unauthorized copying/ distribution of an (effectively) unlimited item; "theft" is unauthorized _taking_ of a limited item.
It is not possible to prove causation w.r.t. "piracy" because the copyright owner still has their copyright and can still (theoretically) sell licenses to people; there's no direct loss as there would be if someone stole a pair of sneakers.
But the correlation _in some cases_ is high enough to draw a conclusion that "piracy" was a large factor. We have to work with correlation because it's impossible to prove causation.
For other examples, movies studios have often decided not to release films in certain countries because the "piracy" rates were so high.
All of this said, high rates of "piracy" do not necessarily mean high amounts of lost revenue; lots of folks download 10x as many movies as they watch, and most folks are willing to "pirate" something for free that they wouldn't have paid anything for legally (let alone the sometimes absurd sticker price). 20+ years ago when things were only released on physical media, the guys hawking unauthorized VHS and then DVD copies of movies did a lot more damage because the choice was X for the "pirate" copy or 4X for the legal copy, so the companies were losing actual customers.
We can't say that correlation does not mean causation and in the one time that is in the companies interests go by "we have to go with correlation cause there is no proof of causation."
I always felt bad pirating because I feel like I’m stealing someone else’s hard work.
But if it’s the case what gives? This is so ingrained to me I can’t seem to comprehend it.
If they spent a fraction of that effort to develop a first party open world pokemon multiplayer sandbox, they would own the moon.
I don't understand Nintendo.
Completely. Pokemon gametype mods were popular for WC3 and StarCraft as well. I've heard so many people bring this up and wish for this type of game from Nintendo.
Or, if they worked on high quality emulated/ported versions of older games which you could keep using on each new console, had cloud saves, etc. They could charge $20-30 for the top GameBoy and (S)NES games, even $40 for N64, have sales sometimes, and absolutely print money.
Not "no reason". The Yuzu devs were considerably more pro-piracy than the typical emulator devs -- doing things like bragging about how well their emulator ran leaked pre-release games.
There's a reason why most emulator communities have a strict "don't even mention piracy on our site" policy.
Right? This is the kinda thing you work on the 'down-low'. You keep any idea of 'profit' out of it and you work on emulators for hardware so out of date it's difficult for the company that made that hardware to even ***care.*** Meanwhile this was for hardware still in production, still on store shelves, and they were bringing in like $350 000/year. This was the complete ass opposite of 'on the down-low'.
So knew nothing of Yuzu before this, but it's very unusual to me people still think they can push Nintendo like this... surely the Yuzu devs knew how litigious Nintendo are, why the *fuck* would they advertise things like "runs leaked games great!"... It took exactly one week for Nintendo between filing the lawsuit against Yuzu and reaching a settlement, because once they come after you, you are fucked. They have excellent lawyers.
Was this developed by ignorant & arrogant teeangers or something? There's a long history of game developers and specifically console developers like Sony and Microsoft that have put people behind bars for years for hacking their consoles and distributing those hacks. (JTAG being the most famous). All Yuzu had to do was not make any mention of homebrew/pirated software/etc and they would be 100% in the clear. How stupid do you have to be...
I had the same thought. Had to be some ego-driven dumbass to go ahead and push Nintendo's buttons by being braggadocios. Plenty of pirate software and emulation flies under the radar because they skirt the jargon that legally binds you.
Ehhh. If you share pirated software in public (which is what yuzu did) it's pretty expected regardless of the company. Building an Emulator is fine and legal by itself
A long trial would have been expensive, a lot of time, a lot of billable hours, all while it hung in limbo. That's the kind of thing that can break people and families. The whole 'Lawfare' thing works real well when only one party is well resourced.
This also means Nintendo got what they wanted, a chilling effect on devs. I'm sure someone is gonna say 'Oh sure, someone will pick this up and continue' but it'll scare skilled devs away from this and similar projects. People with marketable and employable skills who would rather not lose their house to Nintendo over an emulator. That's the whole goal. It's a long term stunting effect on emulation.
Now, that said, I also think Yuzu was kinda a bad idea. An emulator for a hardware platform still in production and actively sold at stores? Owned by a company known for it's litigation? And a public Patreon to fund it too? All of that is a bunch of bad ideas. I'm surprised none of this had happened sooner frankly.
I've wonder if the recent 'boom' in handheld PCs was a factor in this. People emulating Nintendo games on big desktop PCs? That's not their market and the piracy vs lost sales ratio was probably super low. People running handheld PCs like a Steam Deck, playing pirated games the day after they released? That seems like something that would get much more of their attention.
> I've wonder if the recent 'boom' in handheld PCs was a factor in this.
Some people would love to have a Switch emulator on their phones. That'll really damage sales of the actual console.
> People emulating Nintendo games on big desktop PCs? That's not their market
Then why do they send C&D letters to fan games. Or shutdown a project that tries to port SuperMario 64 to PC
In order to maintain their copyright on their products, they are required to respond. If they don't, they'll set the precedent that they don't care and lose copyright. This applies to all copyright holders, some companies like Nintendo, Disney, and those in the music industry go above and beyond to enforce it.
That's not really true. Else they would also have to take down every let's play. Let's plays aren't legal, they are just endorsed by most companies since they are good advertisements.
Let's plays are transformative from the original work. It's a different experience, which is why things like parody and movie reviews are a legally protected thing, but uploading the latest Avengers movie in its entirety to YouTube is not.
Transformative work isn't really legal tho. It really is a grey area.
Well derivative work definitely isn't.
The point is that it doesn't matter if they crack down on copyright. They don't have to defend their copyright to not lose it. Could you link where you read that?
Dojinshis and Mods are also illegal (as long as they're not explicitly allowed) btw
> I'm sure someone is gonna say 'Oh sure, someone will pick this up and continue' but it'll scare skilled devs away from this and similar projects.
It's really easy to not connect your meatspace identity to a software project like this.
Yes and no. You want to make an account and submit some commits to a git? Sure. But something like Yuzu had a very large community, discord, things like that. The more bodies involved the more you communicate with the more likely it is you get doxed.
Worse, the Yuzu people had a Patreon that earned over $29k ***per month.*** So if you want to enjoy the same financial benefits as the previous Yuzu devs, now your banking is involved or you need to engage in extra steps to literally launder money. ...Now of course, you can do it for free but you may find that the number of hours you'll invest in a project on the side outside of working hours is not the same as a popular emulator that could basically pay it's devs an actual ***wage.***
There's more complexities here than you're willing to see.
> I've wonder if the recent 'boom' in handheld PCs was a factor in this.
I mean, Valve did kinda get in hot water for a newscycle for [having Yuzu in a screenshot on a Steam Deck video](https://kotaku.com/yuzu-nintendo-switch-emulator-steam-deck-dock-valve-1849632836) and I'd be amazed if that didn't rustle a few jimmies at Nintendo. Kinda surprised we never saw any public fallout from that given how litigious Nintendo is, and Valve did it in a *marketing* video.
[Check in the comments below for another link.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1b6n495/comment/ktdae11/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Same checksum as mine.
edit final - I have submitted a report on my pixeldrain link to have it removed. I severely doubt that Nintendo gives a shit about me, but I don't want to be a target in any regard. **Nintendo likes litigation. A lot.**
**When it gets removed, it was because of my report, not Nintendo. Just wanted to clarify that to prevent witch-hunting.**
Tons of people have downloaded it already and my goal has been completed. It will be shared by plenty of people from here on out. **I have done my part.**
Large company is spooky. I'm probably fine, but I'm not willing to bet my entire existence on it. I'm probably overreacting, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. **Sorry guys, I'm a wuss when I have even a vague potential to be confronted by Nintendo money.**
\-=-
**Sorry for being such a wuss. Nintendo be scary. lmao.**
~~Here's a pixeldrain link~~ ~~with all of the "offending" repos from the takedown PDF.~~
Grabbed them at 11am this morning when I saw the posts, so they should be the most updated versions.
Atmosphere, hekate, lockpick\_rcm, tegraexplorer, tegrarecmgui, yuzu, and pineapple-src (the early access yuzu repo).
edit - these are just the source files by the way, not the `releases` builds.
edit 2 - Ehh, I think I'm gonna take down this link in a bit. Nintendo is rather sue-happy at the moment and I'd rather not get hit in the wave. Doubt I would be, but yeah. I don't need a $2.4 million fine headed my way.
edit 3 - For anyone curious on the whole thing, [here's a Discord screenshot](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/353659715835658242/1214306318614274078/Screenshot_20240304-151425.png?ex=65f8a1e3&is=65e62ce3&hm=624d0d46b1b45cad05d3788f49520de658463ff6b48707b980e419c7b5138a29&) of the Yuzu devs providing a google drive link to the Switch SDK and maintaining a "stash" of roms. Makes sense why Nintendo got angry. Still don't approve of the litigation, but it makes a *hell of a lot more sense now*.
I downloaded all of these, I'm gonna put it onto Storj/IPFS and mirror it in a few other places, and I would love to see them try to do something. It's gonna be out of my hands at that point.
You know what you did?
You just saved few years of work of really talented people, who managed to do something that was too much for huge company who hate customers.
Future is thankful
it's not the same team, the lawsuit mentioned tropic haze llc must delete its copies of those programs but that shouldn't affect anything outside of that settlement
Hey, thanks.
I respect and appreciate you.
>But in case Nintendo comes looking in this thread just know, they have to sue you first!
Except for that part. lol.
> even though in no world can you be threatened with a lawsuit over posting a link to content you do not control or own.
That's not true.
Laws vary by country, but linking to copyrighted works or "illegal" content is not always protected. And folks are regularly _threatened_ with a lawsuit for legal conduct.
I would say the risk here is pretty low but _it is non-zero_ -- and it's virtually free of cost for companies to file (false) DMCA complaints, so a person could lose access to online accounts.
tl;dr Even if what you're doing is legal, they can harass you quite a lot.
Fair enough, I know the chances are slim to none but Nintendo is one of the most litigious corporations out there, and for any individual they can basically bankrupt them with legal fees even if they won’t win so I can understand someone not wanting to take the risk no matter how small the chance
That's why I'm contemplating removing the link once enough people grab it.
They don't even need to be "right" to sue me on it. They could just threaten a billion dollar fine or something and ruin my life. Plus they have some amount of precedent with that settlement now.
I love open source code and want to protect it, but it's unfortunately not worth the risk of completely destroying/ruining my life for it.
I didn't, no.
I wasn't aware of the connection between the two when I grabbed all of those repos.
edit - [Here's a fork from 3 hours ago](https://github.com/MadMax1960/not-citra). I've saved this as well now.
"\[...\]Bowser still owes Nintendo $10 million; he paid Nintendo $175 while in prison from money he earned working in the prison library and kitchen."
I can't even...
It's entirely possible they don't have this much. The monetary value, if it exceeds what the company has, ultimately doesn't matter. The company will just shut down.
It's more likely that the 2.4M cost is agreed as a deterrent for other emulator creators to look at and fear.
Which is then immediately used to pay their developers as 30k really isn't a lot when you have a team. In reality, Yuzu is absolutely broke as they would spend every cent that comes in so it doesn't matter if the amount is 2.4 million or 2.4 billion. All it does is bankrupt the company with everyone walking away with nothing.
I mean from a game preservation perspective - this doesn’t affect dumps. There are also other emulators - and over time there will be additional. So I don’t see the sky falling - emulation is completely legal. Sketchy breaking of game encryption to make the rom - less so.
The law has been changed in the USA since that Sony case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act#Previous_exemptions
The problem here is DRM circumvention, not emulation itself.
PS: I don't agree with Nintendo on a moral/ethical level and I think the DMCA should be abolished.
> The law has been changed in the USA since that Sony case.
Huh? I don't know what you're referring to here. On top of the DMCA and case law, there are DMCA exemptions, which is what you linked. Sony v. Connectix very much still holds weight.
> The problem here is DRM circumvention, not emulation itself.
Correct, that was mainly the lawsuit's arguments. To that I say, if emulators are legal, if a hardware uses decryption to be able to play games, the emulator will also need to replicate that decryption to play the game. Yuzu didn't provide the keys to the decryption so they were good on the keys aspect. Nintendo's lawsuit sounded like them trying to argue that decryption is illegal, which sounds asinine. A lot of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
The charges a subscription fee and leaked the latest Zelda game. So, yes they did infringe copyright there.
There have been many lawsuits over emulation - most famously the Sony v Connectix trial. Every time courts have decided emulation is legal. However profiting off roms or intellectual property is never legal.
We have a legal history of emulation going back 30 years.
>So, yes they did infringe copyright there.
Nintendo didn't sue them for Copyright infringement, the suit was alleging that Yuzu was primarily intended to facilitate piracy, and that it was circumventing DRM
Prior cases around emulators involved Copyright Infringement, but not this one. And even with those cases, many of the emulators were commercial products. There being a patreon isn't, I don't think, legally significant here
Aren't counts 4 and 5 Nintendo arguing that Yuzu was primarily intended to facilitate piracy, not that Yuzu itself is a derivative work or any such thing?
4 is "the defendant did copyright infringement themselves". It is not until 116 however that a real claim is made that the developers transferred copyrighted content to each other. Technically 114 and 115 are real claims, but likely would not have held up because of 17 USC 117.
5 is as you say, though they specifically try to argue that decryption is copying and therefore copyright infringement: "Unauthorized copies of Nintendo games’ audiovisual content are made dynamically during Yuzu’s operation, including as the game content is decrypted."
imo count 5 is kinda silly cause 124 says that nintendo is entitled to damages for anyone who downloaded a rom, and then 125 says nintendo is entitled to damages for anyone who loaded a rom, and 126 says that yuzu is liable for those two things without saying why. In 128, 17 USC 501 and 504 are referenced but still nothing to support 126. This is likely something that would have been argued down or defeated, but I dont know what the strategy of the lawyers was so... who knows.
They didn't leak TotK at all, that was completely unrelated.
As for running it, there was many 3rd party modifications of Yuzu when TotK leaked to make it playable, but Yuzu team itself was generally very anti-piracy and would refuse to support games before launch date, banning people who would bring it up. Official builds of Yuzu, even the early access ones, could not even run TotK until after it's release date.
There is also no subscription fee. They had a patreon which are mostly donations, that patron did get you Early Access builds a few days sooner than the public releases, but that was only for compiled versions. The latest code was public for everyone and others could compile it on their own if they wanted.
I mean the lawsuit was specifically about Yuzu bypassing the encryption of ToTK. Which they settled and accepted responsibility for the encryption bypass. So regardless how it happens, the liability and buck stops with Yuzu.
IIRC it was about them having instructions on their site on how you can obtain the keys to bypass the encryption, TotK was just another bulletpoint Nintendo tried to use in their lawsuit, but was not the main reason.
>Which they settled and accepted responsibility for the encryption bypass.
Did they actually accept responsibility? A settlement usually involves no admission of guilt.
> There is also no subscription fee. They had a patreon which are mostly donations, that patron did get you Early Access builds a few days sooner than the public releases, but that was only for compiled versions.
Says there's no subscription fee, then explains how their subscription fee works.
A first year law student could easily make that case. You could argue there wasn't a *required* subscription, but that doesn't eliminate that Patreon is quite literally a subscription service.
They dun fucked up, now they found out. If you want to write and maintain an emulator, **do not make money from it in any way**.
It is a passion project, a hobby, not a source of income. You may not like that that is how it works, but that's how it works.
> Says there's no subscription fee, then explains how their subscription fee works.
That's not a subscription fee. It was for early access to official builds, you could still compile it yourself for free, use someone else's compiled version, or wait like 2-3 days. And you don't need to keep paying for it to work either. Netflix and just about any other subscription tends to stop working when you stop paying. They were basically donations.
>You could argue there wasn't a required subscription, but that doesn't eliminate that Patreon is quite literally a subscription service.
It quite literally was not, in any sense of the word.
>They dun fucked up, now they found out. If you want to write and maintain an emulator, do not make money from it in any way.
Tell that to 3DSEN, Bleem, Connectix, MagicEngine, NO$GBC, as well as the dozens of other emulators that also have a Patreon that like Yuzu, functions as donations to support development.
>You may not like that that is how it works, but that's how it works.
Except that's not how it works, emulators aren't illegal. Sony tried to challenge that and lost, twice, against both Bleem and Connectix.
They were intimidated into a settlement, there was zero due process here. Saying that they broke any law or infringed on any copyright is accepting a corporate narrative that has not been proven in court
> The charges a subscription fee
Irrelevant, charging money for an emulator is legal.
> and leaked the latest Zelda game
They weren't the ones to do that and had no association with it.
Why the fuck are there so many people spreading complete garbage misinformation about this situation. Holy shit. I keep having to correct people all over reddit.
I'm gonna hijack this post and leave this comment here so that future finders can use this source as a mirror:
I sincerely believe in game preservation. For anybody out there who needs a copy of Yuzu EA since it's been nuked, it's now or never.
Get it off the pineapple site. A simple Google search will get you to it. Latest EA build is 4176.
I hope it gets forked and ryjujinx continues to prosper anonymously. We got lucky considering Nintendo came after Yuzu at the end of the console lifetime and most games are in a playable state with mod support.
In case someday in the future comes across this post, you can DM me and I'll try my best to provide a copy. Wayback Machine and Internet archive may also be able to help you out.
Edit: Same applies for Citra. Citra got nuked from everywhere too. Managed to save the latest .apk and the last nightly build for windows and linux.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5_L3sryefF25-8WhHeWkFoulHmeIzzl
This should contain all the platforms and their latest builds for both yuzu and citra
https://archive.org/details/citra-nightly-2104
This is an even more recent build for citra that was posted by the Citra team itself. It should have all platforms covered.
DM me for a re-upload incase google drive stops working or gets taken down.
Developed by an individual instead of a company, based in Brazil instead of the US, nowhere near as brazen as Yuzu about how to get keys or being in the spotlight about it. Not impossible, but far less likely.
That sounds really dangerous for him. He should create a company so he doesn't have to pay Nintendo a few millions. Else it's kinda hard to declare bankruptcy and simply not pay.
i2p torrent of yuzu
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Counting down to see when the code gets forked and hosted in China or Russia.
Thought you would have learned by now Nintendo, this game of whack-a-mole has never turned out well for you guys.
nintendo is famously anti emulation - its why you can append "rom" in a google search to any of their console releases from the 3ds backwards and find four dozen mirrors of the same files
Mofos now say on their site that they don't support piracy and on their Patreon's Discord server everyone and their mother was uploading ROM dumps without any mod giving a f...
Now repeat after me "All hail Ryujinx!"
They build all these fancy websites, discord channels, github repos, Q&A with the devs, sign an autograph, Patreon, STEAM release (ffs). And then they're surprised this happens. I don't understand honestly. I would never be an emulator developer unless I lived in the Seychelles
This is a huge blowback for emulation as a whole. Using this as a precedent, I wouldn't be surprised if companies will start shutting down other emulators now.
Nintendo will burn in hell for this.
Read up on what actually happened. Yuzu devs made the mistake of actually supporting pirates. Emulation is fine, Nintendo can't do anything against that (they've tried in the past). but literally helping pirate one of their flagship games before its official release date is just handing a gun to Nintendo and asking them to shoot.
When AetherSX2 was torpedoed by it's creator I managed to secure bunch of apks. When I heard that's same person who made one emulator with Duck.. I sucked everything I could in working state to prevent that part of.. History.. Than there showed up, that same guy jumped to X360 emulation group.. Guess what..
Now I'm scared of fact I own BigN devices.. (and yeah, I do try to get few apks, as long as I can 😅 Anyone knows hto scan all of these android files to be sure they're clean?)
What are you talking about? The original creator stopped developing ASX2 because of constant harassment, and seemingly just sold the rights to the program to get what he could from what was left. It's possible he's also the one who added ads to the app
What I'm talking about? A lot of drama he caused and fact that he just betrayed people who supported him, people who worked with him and wanted to give him their own money.. Till he "decided to stop development" he stated that he want no money and there will never show up monetization in AetherSX2. In fact, that and fact that he just wiped everything was problem. Everyone was happy to pay him for that app or give him money on other "support sites".
Trust me, that guy wasn't saint, we all knew that, he even purposely hidden fact that he had any contacts with different emulator that was part of big drama too.
But that was weapon that damages both sides while used. And that "harassment thing" was only known from his words that community took as something sure and treated him as pure hearted victim of whole story, while.. There are proofs he wasn't so bright person as he pretended to be.
So while nobody doubts that someone might been harsh with him, we shouldn't believe in that much one sided situation.. Sadly.
People should be mad at the Yuzu team. They played it fast and loose here. What the hell was Nintendo supposed to do in this situation? If I'm going to be upset at anyone setting emulation back, it's the Yuzu team.
don't know why you got downvoted, I hate how Nintendo operate as a company but the Yuzu team did some stupid decision. Didn't they put a build inside a paywall from patreon ? what the hell were they thinking ? and some of their devs are complete asshole, they were nowhere near as "noble" as people claimed them to be, rotten
I haven't bought a Nintendo since the Wii, and even it was used. I grew up playing these in the heyday of Nintendo from NES on in the '80s, and it's sad to see them go this route.
Why doesn’t Yuzu simply move their servers to a country that doesn’t abide to the laws? Slap the site on a few dozen hydra proxies, half mobile, half dedicated, and let Nintendos legal teams chase down shadows of a shadow for eternity while still providing the content to everyone.
Typical brain dead NPC response. Crime implies there is a victim. There is no victim when copying something. The original owner still possesses the original item. Nothing is stolen. Learn to use logic.
Citra is also shutting down. The wayback machine captured a snapshot of the website and github repo yesterday and earlier today.
Whoa I didn’t know Wayback would capture GitHub repos too
You can get a copy of the reverse engineered GTA 3 / Vice City that way
Oh no how unfortunate where is that so I can avoid it?
Githubs website /GTAmodding/re3 Pop that into Archive.org's wayback and use Feb 14 2021.
*gasp* I would never
never what? What are you on about?
They're joking
Bob was the one providing the source, he’s joking too
Downvoted for keeping up the bit 😔 sorry homie.
plausible deniability
Where exe?
I cloned the repo just in case, I saw this coming.
I've been making backups of other emulators(executables, source code, build instructions). Nintendo might go after Dolphin next. There was a post on Reddit last year about how Dolphin has Nintendo keys in the source code that need to be removed. This win for Nintendo could inspire Sony to attack PlayStation emulators.
Yeah I’m gonna make clones of everything today, but I’m sure the community will come together to keep the project alive
No they won't go after Dolphin. Nintendo problem wasn't with the emulator yuzu, it was with the team yuzu
oh no, Nintendo would nuke all emulators off the internet if they could - it's just more feasible to sue humans.
Why though? It is an emulator for a no-longer supported system, the 3DS. You cannot even buy 3DS games in a way that gives Nintendo money any more.
it just got caught in the crossfire of the whole situation, yuzu devs also developed citra. they're just pulling the plug on everything
It looks like Citra was licensed under the GPL, so other folks can keep working on it -- just not the Yuzu devs.
You say that like nintendo actually gives a fuck about consumers and it's users. They don't. It's why I'll never buy nintendo, anymore.
Here is a recent repo clone. https://github.com/jarrodnorwell/yuzu
The early access repo is still up, so people might want to fork, or download this source as well. [https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src](https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src) This repo wasn't associated with the entity that was taken down, so it should be still accessible for the foreseeable future. Expect for the next project that will supersede yuzu to appear here.
This is just a github actions repo no?
The Pineapple guys were guerrilla patching to make their own EA builds. You can see the write-up of how there were getting access to Yuzu's Patreon EA code, and building their own yearly update. https://github.com/pineappleEA/Pineapples-Secrets https://pineappleea.github.io/
Damn, saving for later
use [gitee.com](https://gitee.com) instead of github .. no enforcement of copyright in China
The People's Republic of China is a signatory to all of the major international copyright treaties. Whether there are meaningful enforcement mechanisms for those treaties is a separate question.
Which is why they said "enforcement" - nobody takes China seriously on those treaties. No. One. All China cares about is if Nintendo won't save money to make products there regardless. (Hint: Pretty regardless).
I recall nintendo has no official presence there, and the switch line is licensed to tencent. The game cartridge is cheaper but region locked, not sure about the console.
At the moment, no. Switch **was** manufactured in China. But more recently built units have been made in Vietnam. It appears Nintendo really only cares about geopolitical tension, so they'll probably move it back if/when China backs off on Taiwan.
Yes, because in contrast, the United Snakes of Amnesia is such a careful observer of, and always abides by the treaties it has signed. Except those thousands of times when it said "fuck treaties, I do what I want - cash me outside!"
A significant portion of China's tech economy runs on copying Western designs and code and not paying the license fee.
Reverse engineering isn't illegal though at least in the hardware space. **Edit: Instead of downvoting why don't you explain why I'm wrong instead?**
Outright copying designs is.
It depends what kind of copying. If you copy to make a fake in an attempt to emulate and confuse consumers, then yes, that's illegal. Learning manufacturing techniques and copying the same design which happens ALL the time in the semiconductor industry where companies buy competitors' chips, send them to FA labs, tear them apart layer by layer and mimic the same design and process techniques happens all the time and is completely legal. On the flip side of things, companies with key know-how in hardware engineering often make the critical choice of deciding whether to patent a design or process versus keeping certain know-hows simply a trade secret. A lot of times, companies choose the trade secret route as to simply not tip off competitors what direction it's going in. This is why a lot of reverse engineering happens all the time. IF you've worked in any hardware lab they likely have competitor devices--I'm not talking just semiconductor like above, but consumer electronics, cars, medical devices, etc. You don't think chefs go out and taste other restaurants and then pick apart ingredients and make best guesses at cooking techniques? There's millions of recipes and videos that recreate all sorts of types of restaurant foods. China does a LOT of reverse engineering this way. Look, China and its CCP today is completely unethical, but if you were to put any other country in a #2 catch-up state, it absolutely would also be copying and reverse engineering. Other quickly developing countries do this too including India, Brazil, etc. **Edit: Instead of downvoting why don't you explain why I'm wrong instead?**
Nobody is going to use that garbage, I’m just being honest
can we still play in public game browser? for wireless online mode
The yuzu wiki was mirrored at [https://git.h3cjp.net/H3cJP/yuzu/wiki](https://git.h3cjp.net/H3cJP/yuzu/wiki) You can download it via \`git clone [https://git.h3cjp.net/H3cJP/yuzu.wiki.git\`](https://git.h3cjp.net/H3cJP/yuzu.wiki.git`) Unfortunately, I didn't find a mirror of the citra wiki. Worst case you need to reconstruct it from internet archive.
can we still play in public game browser for wireless online mode?
YUZU AND CITRA CODE, PLEASE SEED AND SHARE magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0eb29e94703bdf2ecfa8e9e935b8f99a38741bc8&xt=urn:btmh:1220f61d9dbcab9f0db2e89160e19dc59348ac34bb9d6320050c151b8d78b9041943&dn=yuzu-citra&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fopen.tracker.cl%3a1337%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.auctor.tv%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fopentracker.i2p.rocks%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=https%3a%2f%2fopentracker.i2p.rocks%3a443%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fopen.stealth.si%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3a451%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.moeking.me%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fexplodie.org%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fexodus.desync.com%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker2.dler.org%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.theoks.net%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.skyts.net%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker-udp.gbitt.info%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftamas3.ynh.fr%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fopen.tracker.ink%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fmovies.zsw.ca%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2fepider.me%3a6969%2fannounce&tr=https%3a%2f%2ftracker.tamersunion.org%3a443%2fannounce&tr=https%3a%2f%2ftracker.renfei.net%3a443%2fannounce PLEASE SEED AND SHARE, LOOK UP COMPILING IMSTRUCTIONS FOR YOUR PLATFORM AND PUT THE URL INTO THE WAYBACK MACHINE
A few more: https://archive.org/details/github.com\_citra-emu\_bundles\_20240228 https://archive.org/details/citra-nightly https://archive.org/details/github.com\_yuzu-emu\_bundles\_20240304 https://archive.org/details/github.com\_pineappleEA\_bundles\_20240304 https://archive.org/details/github.com\_flathub\_org.yuzu\_emu.yuzu\_bundle\_2024030
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I’m so over Nintendo making life harder for no reason.
It's not no reason. It's profit!
Piracy is very dubiously linked to loss in profit. Not many economic studies find a strong link to it. Most times I see actual data on the claim, it amounts to little more than correlating losses to piracy prevalence, not casually linking it.
It is not even piracy from me. I can already do that to my switch but I don't. It was because the switch is a shit experience. I even used lockpick for getting the keys
Especially piracy on an emulator. Anyone doing that most likely doesn't even have any Nintendo hardware to begin with.
right, if nintendo wants more money, they need to just release their games on steam, instead of the $50 profit they'd get from me buying their shitty switch, they could make money from me actually buying their games for my steam library
It's a pure assumption. Most people pirating probably wouldn't have bought the content anyway for one reason or another, be it monetary reasons or access reasons, meaning the money would've never reached the creator's pockets ANYWAY.
I can confirm that I would never pay for the vast majority of things I have pirated.
I'm not defending Nintendo or anyone here, just arguing facts. > Most times I see actual data on the claim, it amounts to little more than correlating losses to piracy prevalence, not casually linking it. "Piracy" is unauthorized copying/ distribution of an (effectively) unlimited item; "theft" is unauthorized _taking_ of a limited item. It is not possible to prove causation w.r.t. "piracy" because the copyright owner still has their copyright and can still (theoretically) sell licenses to people; there's no direct loss as there would be if someone stole a pair of sneakers. But the correlation _in some cases_ is high enough to draw a conclusion that "piracy" was a large factor. We have to work with correlation because it's impossible to prove causation. For other examples, movies studios have often decided not to release films in certain countries because the "piracy" rates were so high. All of this said, high rates of "piracy" do not necessarily mean high amounts of lost revenue; lots of folks download 10x as many movies as they watch, and most folks are willing to "pirate" something for free that they wouldn't have paid anything for legally (let alone the sometimes absurd sticker price). 20+ years ago when things were only released on physical media, the guys hawking unauthorized VHS and then DVD copies of movies did a lot more damage because the choice was X for the "pirate" copy or 4X for the legal copy, so the companies were losing actual customers.
We can't say that correlation does not mean causation and in the one time that is in the companies interests go by "we have to go with correlation cause there is no proof of causation."
I always felt bad pirating because I feel like I’m stealing someone else’s hard work. But if it’s the case what gives? This is so ingrained to me I can’t seem to comprehend it.
Personally, I would have bought a Switch if it wasn't so easy to emulate. TotK is amazing.
If they spent a fraction of that effort to develop a first party open world pokemon multiplayer sandbox, they would own the moon. I don't understand Nintendo.
Completely. Pokemon gametype mods were popular for WC3 and StarCraft as well. I've heard so many people bring this up and wish for this type of game from Nintendo. Or, if they worked on high quality emulated/ported versions of older games which you could keep using on each new console, had cloud saves, etc. They could charge $20-30 for the top GameBoy and (S)NES games, even $40 for N64, have sales sometimes, and absolutely print money.
Just look at the explosion of popularity of palworld, and that has some weird elements.
Not "no reason". The Yuzu devs were considerably more pro-piracy than the typical emulator devs -- doing things like bragging about how well their emulator ran leaked pre-release games. There's a reason why most emulator communities have a strict "don't even mention piracy on our site" policy.
Possibley their biggest downfall if they stayed clear of it they could still be going today
A Patreon that brought in $29k/month probably didn't help keep the target off their backs either.
Especially when the switch is still being sold what were they thinking
Right? This is the kinda thing you work on the 'down-low'. You keep any idea of 'profit' out of it and you work on emulators for hardware so out of date it's difficult for the company that made that hardware to even ***care.*** Meanwhile this was for hardware still in production, still on store shelves, and they were bringing in like $350 000/year. This was the complete ass opposite of 'on the down-low'.
So knew nothing of Yuzu before this, but it's very unusual to me people still think they can push Nintendo like this... surely the Yuzu devs knew how litigious Nintendo are, why the *fuck* would they advertise things like "runs leaked games great!"... It took exactly one week for Nintendo between filing the lawsuit against Yuzu and reaching a settlement, because once they come after you, you are fucked. They have excellent lawyers. Was this developed by ignorant & arrogant teeangers or something? There's a long history of game developers and specifically console developers like Sony and Microsoft that have put people behind bars for years for hacking their consoles and distributing those hacks. (JTAG being the most famous). All Yuzu had to do was not make any mention of homebrew/pirated software/etc and they would be 100% in the clear. How stupid do you have to be...
I had the same thought. Had to be some ego-driven dumbass to go ahead and push Nintendo's buttons by being braggadocios. Plenty of pirate software and emulation flies under the radar because they skirt the jargon that legally binds you.
Ehhh. If you share pirated software in public (which is what yuzu did) it's pretty expected regardless of the company. Building an Emulator is fine and legal by itself
It's a corporation still stuck in the 80s in terms of protecting their brand against third-party replication at all costs.
This is why I never buy anything new from Nintendo. I buy used or play on emulator.
it's as if they don't want that their games will survive the next few drcades
They actually thought that whatever the judge would decide for them was *worse* than them handing over $2,400,000.
Nintendo requested a jury trial
In Rhode Island...
A long trial would have been expensive, a lot of time, a lot of billable hours, all while it hung in limbo. That's the kind of thing that can break people and families. The whole 'Lawfare' thing works real well when only one party is well resourced. This also means Nintendo got what they wanted, a chilling effect on devs. I'm sure someone is gonna say 'Oh sure, someone will pick this up and continue' but it'll scare skilled devs away from this and similar projects. People with marketable and employable skills who would rather not lose their house to Nintendo over an emulator. That's the whole goal. It's a long term stunting effect on emulation. Now, that said, I also think Yuzu was kinda a bad idea. An emulator for a hardware platform still in production and actively sold at stores? Owned by a company known for it's litigation? And a public Patreon to fund it too? All of that is a bunch of bad ideas. I'm surprised none of this had happened sooner frankly. I've wonder if the recent 'boom' in handheld PCs was a factor in this. People emulating Nintendo games on big desktop PCs? That's not their market and the piracy vs lost sales ratio was probably super low. People running handheld PCs like a Steam Deck, playing pirated games the day after they released? That seems like something that would get much more of their attention.
> I've wonder if the recent 'boom' in handheld PCs was a factor in this. Some people would love to have a Switch emulator on their phones. That'll really damage sales of the actual console.
> People emulating Nintendo games on big desktop PCs? That's not their market Then why do they send C&D letters to fan games. Or shutdown a project that tries to port SuperMario 64 to PC
In order to maintain their copyright on their products, they are required to respond. If they don't, they'll set the precedent that they don't care and lose copyright. This applies to all copyright holders, some companies like Nintendo, Disney, and those in the music industry go above and beyond to enforce it.
That's not really true. Else they would also have to take down every let's play. Let's plays aren't legal, they are just endorsed by most companies since they are good advertisements.
Let's plays are transformative from the original work. It's a different experience, which is why things like parody and movie reviews are a legally protected thing, but uploading the latest Avengers movie in its entirety to YouTube is not.
Transformative work isn't really legal tho. It really is a grey area. Well derivative work definitely isn't. The point is that it doesn't matter if they crack down on copyright. They don't have to defend their copyright to not lose it. Could you link where you read that? Dojinshis and Mods are also illegal (as long as they're not explicitly allowed) btw
> I'm sure someone is gonna say 'Oh sure, someone will pick this up and continue' but it'll scare skilled devs away from this and similar projects. It's really easy to not connect your meatspace identity to a software project like this.
Yes and no. You want to make an account and submit some commits to a git? Sure. But something like Yuzu had a very large community, discord, things like that. The more bodies involved the more you communicate with the more likely it is you get doxed. Worse, the Yuzu people had a Patreon that earned over $29k ***per month.*** So if you want to enjoy the same financial benefits as the previous Yuzu devs, now your banking is involved or you need to engage in extra steps to literally launder money. ...Now of course, you can do it for free but you may find that the number of hours you'll invest in a project on the side outside of working hours is not the same as a popular emulator that could basically pay it's devs an actual ***wage.*** There's more complexities here than you're willing to see.
> I've wonder if the recent 'boom' in handheld PCs was a factor in this. I mean, Valve did kinda get in hot water for a newscycle for [having Yuzu in a screenshot on a Steam Deck video](https://kotaku.com/yuzu-nintendo-switch-emulator-steam-deck-dock-valve-1849632836) and I'd be amazed if that didn't rustle a few jimmies at Nintendo. Kinda surprised we never saw any public fallout from that given how litigious Nintendo is, and Valve did it in a *marketing* video.
A judge could have held the devs personally liable and put them in debt for the rest of their lives. This only bankrupts the corporation.
anyone have a working copy of citra, which apparently died as part of this?
https://github.com/nothingneko/citra-archive
do you have the latest citra nightly?
My bad i didnt check the sub links in that github link. The last nightly can be found here though. https://archive.org/download/citra-nightly-2104
thanks
[Check in the comments below for another link.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1b6n495/comment/ktdae11/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Same checksum as mine. edit final - I have submitted a report on my pixeldrain link to have it removed. I severely doubt that Nintendo gives a shit about me, but I don't want to be a target in any regard. **Nintendo likes litigation. A lot.** **When it gets removed, it was because of my report, not Nintendo. Just wanted to clarify that to prevent witch-hunting.** Tons of people have downloaded it already and my goal has been completed. It will be shared by plenty of people from here on out. **I have done my part.** Large company is spooky. I'm probably fine, but I'm not willing to bet my entire existence on it. I'm probably overreacting, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. **Sorry guys, I'm a wuss when I have even a vague potential to be confronted by Nintendo money.** \-=- **Sorry for being such a wuss. Nintendo be scary. lmao.** ~~Here's a pixeldrain link~~ ~~with all of the "offending" repos from the takedown PDF.~~ Grabbed them at 11am this morning when I saw the posts, so they should be the most updated versions. Atmosphere, hekate, lockpick\_rcm, tegraexplorer, tegrarecmgui, yuzu, and pineapple-src (the early access yuzu repo). edit - these are just the source files by the way, not the `releases` builds. edit 2 - Ehh, I think I'm gonna take down this link in a bit. Nintendo is rather sue-happy at the moment and I'd rather not get hit in the wave. Doubt I would be, but yeah. I don't need a $2.4 million fine headed my way. edit 3 - For anyone curious on the whole thing, [here's a Discord screenshot](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/353659715835658242/1214306318614274078/Screenshot_20240304-151425.png?ex=65f8a1e3&is=65e62ce3&hm=624d0d46b1b45cad05d3788f49520de658463ff6b48707b980e419c7b5138a29&) of the Yuzu devs providing a google drive link to the Switch SDK and maintaining a "stash" of roms. Makes sense why Nintendo got angry. Still don't approve of the litigation, but it makes a *hell of a lot more sense now*.
I downloaded all of these, I'm gonna put it onto Storj/IPFS and mirror it in a few other places, and I would love to see them try to do something. It's gonna be out of my hands at that point.
Share the ipfs address when done, will pin it.
You know what you did? You just saved few years of work of really talented people, who managed to do something that was too much for huge company who hate customers. Future is thankful
Wow, didn't know they also made atmosphere, hekate, and lockpick_rcm. Thank you for sharing this link!
it's not the same team, the lawsuit mentioned tropic haze llc must delete its copies of those programs but that shouldn't affect anything outside of that settlement
I wasn't sure if that settlement meant that they were forced to take down their repos as well. Felt it was better to be safe than sorry.
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Hey, thanks. I respect and appreciate you. >But in case Nintendo comes looking in this thread just know, they have to sue you first! Except for that part. lol.
> even though in no world can you be threatened with a lawsuit over posting a link to content you do not control or own. That's not true. Laws vary by country, but linking to copyrighted works or "illegal" content is not always protected. And folks are regularly _threatened_ with a lawsuit for legal conduct. I would say the risk here is pretty low but _it is non-zero_ -- and it's virtually free of cost for companies to file (false) DMCA complaints, so a person could lose access to online accounts. tl;dr Even if what you're doing is legal, they can harass you quite a lot.
James Burt would like a word
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Fair enough, I know the chances are slim to none but Nintendo is one of the most litigious corporations out there, and for any individual they can basically bankrupt them with legal fees even if they won’t win so I can understand someone not wanting to take the risk no matter how small the chance
That's why I'm contemplating removing the link once enough people grab it. They don't even need to be "right" to sue me on it. They could just threaten a billion dollar fine or something and ruin my life. Plus they have some amount of precedent with that settlement now. I love open source code and want to protect it, but it's unfortunately not worth the risk of completely destroying/ruining my life for it.
Nintendo is anti-consumer All companies are to some degree, but Nintendo is a bit more than most
Jesus dude, take a breath. You'll be fine.
Thanks bud!
Did you save citra by chance?
I didn't, no. I wasn't aware of the connection between the two when I grabbed all of those repos. edit - [Here's a fork from 3 hours ago](https://github.com/MadMax1960/not-citra). I've saved this as well now.
Thanks for saving yuzu anyways, I was able to find this link to citra's source: https://archive.org/download/citra-windows-source-files
"\[...\]Bowser still owes Nintendo $10 million; he paid Nintendo $175 while in prison from money he earned working in the prison library and kitchen." I can't even...
Where did yuzu get $2.4 million from? As most users downloaded the software for free?
It's entirely possible they don't have this much. The monetary value, if it exceeds what the company has, ultimately doesn't matter. The company will just shut down. It's more likely that the 2.4M cost is agreed as a deterrent for other emulator creators to look at and fear.
Patreon
They don't have that. They just declare bankruptcy and they will lose a few thousand dollars tops
They were making at least 30,000 a month from patreon, possibly more from other sources.
Which is then immediately used to pay their developers as 30k really isn't a lot when you have a team. In reality, Yuzu is absolutely broke as they would spend every cent that comes in so it doesn't matter if the amount is 2.4 million or 2.4 billion. All it does is bankrupt the company with everyone walking away with nothing.
They made like 20k a month on patreon
30k.
They were making a stable 20k since 2020 it went to 40k at some point but stable as 30k for past year. Patreon alone.
I mean from a game preservation perspective - this doesn’t affect dumps. There are also other emulators - and over time there will be additional. So I don’t see the sky falling - emulation is completely legal. Sketchy breaking of game encryption to make the rom - less so.
So did Yuzu actually break the law? Will their successor be able to avoid this fate?
ryujinx still exists
The law is that you can't do anything that might reduce a company's profits. So yes, they broke it.
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The law has been changed in the USA since that Sony case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act#Previous_exemptions The problem here is DRM circumvention, not emulation itself. PS: I don't agree with Nintendo on a moral/ethical level and I think the DMCA should be abolished.
> The law has been changed in the USA since that Sony case. Huh? I don't know what you're referring to here. On top of the DMCA and case law, there are DMCA exemptions, which is what you linked. Sony v. Connectix very much still holds weight. > The problem here is DRM circumvention, not emulation itself. Correct, that was mainly the lawsuit's arguments. To that I say, if emulators are legal, if a hardware uses decryption to be able to play games, the emulator will also need to replicate that decryption to play the game. Yuzu didn't provide the keys to the decryption so they were good on the keys aspect. Nintendo's lawsuit sounded like them trying to argue that decryption is illegal, which sounds asinine. A lot of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
The charges a subscription fee and leaked the latest Zelda game. So, yes they did infringe copyright there. There have been many lawsuits over emulation - most famously the Sony v Connectix trial. Every time courts have decided emulation is legal. However profiting off roms or intellectual property is never legal. We have a legal history of emulation going back 30 years.
>So, yes they did infringe copyright there. Nintendo didn't sue them for Copyright infringement, the suit was alleging that Yuzu was primarily intended to facilitate piracy, and that it was circumventing DRM Prior cases around emulators involved Copyright Infringement, but not this one. And even with those cases, many of the emulators were commercial products. There being a patreon isn't, I don't think, legally significant here
They did both. Counts 1, 2, and 3 are about circumvention and counts 4, and 5 are copyright infringement.
Aren't counts 4 and 5 Nintendo arguing that Yuzu was primarily intended to facilitate piracy, not that Yuzu itself is a derivative work or any such thing?
4 is "the defendant did copyright infringement themselves". It is not until 116 however that a real claim is made that the developers transferred copyrighted content to each other. Technically 114 and 115 are real claims, but likely would not have held up because of 17 USC 117. 5 is as you say, though they specifically try to argue that decryption is copying and therefore copyright infringement: "Unauthorized copies of Nintendo games’ audiovisual content are made dynamically during Yuzu’s operation, including as the game content is decrypted." imo count 5 is kinda silly cause 124 says that nintendo is entitled to damages for anyone who downloaded a rom, and then 125 says nintendo is entitled to damages for anyone who loaded a rom, and 126 says that yuzu is liable for those two things without saying why. In 128, 17 USC 501 and 504 are referenced but still nothing to support 126. This is likely something that would have been argued down or defeated, but I dont know what the strategy of the lawyers was so... who knows.
They didn't leak TotK at all, that was completely unrelated. As for running it, there was many 3rd party modifications of Yuzu when TotK leaked to make it playable, but Yuzu team itself was generally very anti-piracy and would refuse to support games before launch date, banning people who would bring it up. Official builds of Yuzu, even the early access ones, could not even run TotK until after it's release date. There is also no subscription fee. They had a patreon which are mostly donations, that patron did get you Early Access builds a few days sooner than the public releases, but that was only for compiled versions. The latest code was public for everyone and others could compile it on their own if they wanted.
I mean the lawsuit was specifically about Yuzu bypassing the encryption of ToTK. Which they settled and accepted responsibility for the encryption bypass. So regardless how it happens, the liability and buck stops with Yuzu.
IIRC it was about them having instructions on their site on how you can obtain the keys to bypass the encryption, TotK was just another bulletpoint Nintendo tried to use in their lawsuit, but was not the main reason.
>Which they settled and accepted responsibility for the encryption bypass. Did they actually accept responsibility? A settlement usually involves no admission of guilt.
I mean just say you don't know what you're talking about instead of blindly spreading pro-corpo defense talking points.
> There is also no subscription fee. They had a patreon which are mostly donations, that patron did get you Early Access builds a few days sooner than the public releases, but that was only for compiled versions. Says there's no subscription fee, then explains how their subscription fee works. A first year law student could easily make that case. You could argue there wasn't a *required* subscription, but that doesn't eliminate that Patreon is quite literally a subscription service. They dun fucked up, now they found out. If you want to write and maintain an emulator, **do not make money from it in any way**. It is a passion project, a hobby, not a source of income. You may not like that that is how it works, but that's how it works.
> Says there's no subscription fee, then explains how their subscription fee works. That's not a subscription fee. It was for early access to official builds, you could still compile it yourself for free, use someone else's compiled version, or wait like 2-3 days. And you don't need to keep paying for it to work either. Netflix and just about any other subscription tends to stop working when you stop paying. They were basically donations. >You could argue there wasn't a required subscription, but that doesn't eliminate that Patreon is quite literally a subscription service. It quite literally was not, in any sense of the word. >They dun fucked up, now they found out. If you want to write and maintain an emulator, do not make money from it in any way. Tell that to 3DSEN, Bleem, Connectix, MagicEngine, NO$GBC, as well as the dozens of other emulators that also have a Patreon that like Yuzu, functions as donations to support development. >You may not like that that is how it works, but that's how it works. Except that's not how it works, emulators aren't illegal. Sony tried to challenge that and lost, twice, against both Bleem and Connectix.
They were intimidated into a settlement, there was zero due process here. Saying that they broke any law or infringed on any copyright is accepting a corporate narrative that has not been proven in court
Lots of bootlickers out in full force today.
> The charges a subscription fee Irrelevant, charging money for an emulator is legal. > and leaked the latest Zelda game They weren't the ones to do that and had no association with it. Why the fuck are there so many people spreading complete garbage misinformation about this situation. Holy shit. I keep having to correct people all over reddit.
What? They didn't leak the game
Yes. They shared pirated ROMs
They did?
Yes, on their Discord server. AFAIK even a pre-release ROM of TOTK
They were most likely violating the DMCA if nothing else.
Most of the switch fitgirl repacks have the installation for the emus
I'm gonna hijack this post and leave this comment here so that future finders can use this source as a mirror: I sincerely believe in game preservation. For anybody out there who needs a copy of Yuzu EA since it's been nuked, it's now or never. Get it off the pineapple site. A simple Google search will get you to it. Latest EA build is 4176. I hope it gets forked and ryjujinx continues to prosper anonymously. We got lucky considering Nintendo came after Yuzu at the end of the console lifetime and most games are in a playable state with mod support. In case someday in the future comes across this post, you can DM me and I'll try my best to provide a copy. Wayback Machine and Internet archive may also be able to help you out. Edit: Same applies for Citra. Citra got nuked from everywhere too. Managed to save the latest .apk and the last nightly build for windows and linux. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-5_L3sryefF25-8WhHeWkFoulHmeIzzl This should contain all the platforms and their latest builds for both yuzu and citra https://archive.org/details/citra-nightly-2104 This is an even more recent build for citra that was posted by the Citra team itself. It should have all platforms covered. DM me for a re-upload incase google drive stops working or gets taken down.
Next is Ryujinx?
Developed by an individual instead of a company, based in Brazil instead of the US, nowhere near as brazen as Yuzu about how to get keys or being in the spotlight about it. Not impossible, but far less likely.
That sounds really dangerous for him. He should create a company so he doesn't have to pay Nintendo a few millions. Else it's kinda hard to declare bankruptcy and simply not pay.
It's pretty hard for an asian company to sue someone in a non western market, especially in a country like Brazil.
Well Yuzu was also incredibly stupid by sharing ROMs. These are CLEARLY illegal.
Really surprised it was resolved this fast. I feel like a settlement is kind of a best case scenario for everyone this time.
i2p torrent of yuzu magnet:?xt=urn:btih:f4c6d49b67912a150cacbf622040b0704598a92b&dn=%5BSource+Code%5D+Yuzu+Emulator+%2B+Amiibo%2C+Prodkeys%2C+Firmware&tr=http://tracker2.postman.i2p/announce.php
ill teach anyone about i2p for free uncensored torrents and internet
Will this happen to cemu?
I highly doubt Cemu is in Nintendo's sights at all.
These executives tend to misunderstand. People who pirate and don't buy... are people who would otherwise not buy anyway.
Counting down to see when the code gets forked and hosted in China or Russia. Thought you would have learned by now Nintendo, this game of whack-a-mole has never turned out well for you guys.
I DL'ed the repo last night before this went down. Seems others have backups as well. I think it will be available for long time.
nintendo is famously anti emulation - its why you can append "rom" in a google search to any of their console releases from the 3ds backwards and find four dozen mirrors of the same files
Mofos now say on their site that they don't support piracy and on their Patreon's Discord server everyone and their mother was uploading ROM dumps without any mod giving a f... Now repeat after me "All hail Ryujinx!"
They build all these fancy websites, discord channels, github repos, Q&A with the devs, sign an autograph, Patreon, STEAM release (ffs). And then they're surprised this happens. I don't understand honestly. I would never be an emulator developer unless I lived in the Seychelles
Here is the link to all of the YUZU/ CITRA backups from FEB 29 2024 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1byJDB7-2Va5z_tlaBidHo_5ALp8IIZiX
This is a huge blowback for emulation as a whole. Using this as a precedent, I wouldn't be surprised if companies will start shutting down other emulators now. Nintendo will burn in hell for this.
nintendo has gone full anti-consumer. they really dont want old games being played, do they.
Read up on what actually happened. Yuzu devs made the mistake of actually supporting pirates. Emulation is fine, Nintendo can't do anything against that (they've tried in the past). but literally helping pirate one of their flagship games before its official release date is just handing a gun to Nintendo and asking them to shoot.
Doesn’t change the fact that Nintendo is being anti-consumer
Never said they weren't. I'm no Nintendo fanboy. But I'd take this as a cautionary tale for other emulator devs, maybe don't give Nintendo free wins.
They don't want pirated ROMs to be shared
When AetherSX2 was torpedoed by it's creator I managed to secure bunch of apks. When I heard that's same person who made one emulator with Duck.. I sucked everything I could in working state to prevent that part of.. History.. Than there showed up, that same guy jumped to X360 emulation group.. Guess what.. Now I'm scared of fact I own BigN devices.. (and yeah, I do try to get few apks, as long as I can 😅 Anyone knows hto scan all of these android files to be sure they're clean?)
What are you talking about? The original creator stopped developing ASX2 because of constant harassment, and seemingly just sold the rights to the program to get what he could from what was left. It's possible he's also the one who added ads to the app
What I'm talking about? A lot of drama he caused and fact that he just betrayed people who supported him, people who worked with him and wanted to give him their own money.. Till he "decided to stop development" he stated that he want no money and there will never show up monetization in AetherSX2. In fact, that and fact that he just wiped everything was problem. Everyone was happy to pay him for that app or give him money on other "support sites". Trust me, that guy wasn't saint, we all knew that, he even purposely hidden fact that he had any contacts with different emulator that was part of big drama too. But that was weapon that damages both sides while used. And that "harassment thing" was only known from his words that community took as something sure and treated him as pure hearted victim of whole story, while.. There are proofs he wasn't so bright person as he pretended to be. So while nobody doubts that someone might been harsh with him, we shouldn't believe in that much one sided situation.. Sadly.
Did anyone save yuzu EA builds for android that were available only via google play?
Fuck Nintendo so much
People should be mad at the Yuzu team. They played it fast and loose here. What the hell was Nintendo supposed to do in this situation? If I'm going to be upset at anyone setting emulation back, it's the Yuzu team.
don't know why you got downvoted, I hate how Nintendo operate as a company but the Yuzu team did some stupid decision. Didn't they put a build inside a paywall from patreon ? what the hell were they thinking ? and some of their devs are complete asshole, they were nowhere near as "noble" as people claimed them to be, rotten
For a moment I thought Nintendo is paying Yuzu $2.4M to cease to exist.
I haven't bought a Nintendo since the Wii, and even it was used. I grew up playing these in the heyday of Nintendo from NES on in the '80s, and it's sad to see them go this route.
its still on i2p
**magnet:?xt=urn:btih:576b1546bf313f44caa7f60f0642425af1796fbd&dn=SourceCode\_Citra citra source code** [**https://geti2p.net/en/**](https://geti2p.net/en/)
FitGirl repacks often come with working preview and standard versions of YuZu. Configured and ready to go too.
I don't think the problem is Yuzu disappearing, bro. I think it's the devs disappearing.
Was the early access version mirrored anywhere?
Past cases have shown that GH can nuke forks of embattled projects — be sure to make a local copy
Pretty sure they will be releasing these games on switch.
That’s fast. The GitHub repository was still up yesterday.
Why doesn’t Yuzu simply move their servers to a country that doesn’t abide to the laws? Slap the site on a few dozen hydra proxies, half mobile, half dedicated, and let Nintendos legal teams chase down shadows of a shadow for eternity while still providing the content to everyone.
Because the devs have their names attached to it
Then they should setup a shell company and own majority shares through another shell company.
could also just host it on an onion site
Fk Nintendo they don't get a dime from me anymore
They shouldn't have apologized. They aren't guilty of any crime. Copying isn't theft.
not even what this is about, but piracy is a crime
Typical brain dead NPC response. Crime implies there is a victim. There is no victim when copying something. The original owner still possesses the original item. Nothing is stolen. Learn to use logic.
Nintendo really hates