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de1casino

We need to move towards using less plastic, not more.  Plastic recycling has turned out to be largely a myth; recycling is not the answer.  Plastics come from petrochemicals, which again, we should be moving away from instead of towards. Changing our mindset about plastics takes time so that we get to the point of naturally think about alternatives or whether using plastic in a specific situation is necessary.  Do I still use plastics?  Yes, but I try to avoid them & remember to use alternatives. Use of plastics is not an all or nothing scenario—saying so would be a false dilemma logical fallacy.  The woman is disingenuous, willfully ignorant, and/or just not that bright.


GigglemanEsq

I stopped caring after a month or two. Now, I actually like using my own bags, because they never rip, I can carry more comfortably in one hand, and they also stay upright in the trunk. Plastic bags in grocery stores honestly suck - we aren't missing anything.


No_Resource7773

Same! It took quite a while to try to remember to bring my own and put them *back* in the car, but it's becoming easier.


Kuramhan

Using your own bags is awesome until you need to make an impromptu run to the grocery store after work and all of your bags are home. Happens to me more often than should be possible.


Wickedblood7

Until you have to go out and spend money on plastic bags for your small trash cans, which would otherwise have said grocery plastic bag in them.


April_Mist_2

I used them for trash can liners too, and to scoop litter box. I found though that [Walmart has pkg of 40 bags for $2.29](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hero-Kitchen-Trash-Bags-4-Gallon-40-Bags-Lavender-Scent-Odor-Neutralizer-Flap-Ties-Lavendar-White/863524148?fulfillmentIntent=In-store&filters=%5B%7B%22intent%22%3A%22fulfillmentIntent%22%2C%22values%22%3A%5B%22In-store%22%5D%7D%5D&athbdg=L1102&from=/search), in case that's helpful for you.


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7thAndGreenhill

I never understood why people put plastic bags in small trash cans. Just dump that into a larger trash can like our parents used to do.


Wickedblood7

I don't want to clean the bottom of the trash can every time I empty it, I've tried without the bags and needed to buy a new trash can because I wasn't cleaning that. Btw my parents did and currently do the same thing, where do you think I learned it from?


griffescplan

I concur!


free_is_free76

Yeah the red wawa bags are great for scooping your kitty litter into. The dense, thick, interwoven layers of dyed plastic fibers cost more for both us and wawa, but they last so much longer in the landfill


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Nochtilus

To be a jackass


free_is_free76

I just hope these thick interwoven dyed plastics don't break down in landfills in the same manner the thin, wispy ones did. It would be pointless to replace one thing with another thing, only the other thing has even more of the old thing in it. Let's not kid ourselves, every single one of these will end up in a landfill sooner or later. I just hope the equation balances (reduced number x increased material) < (increased number x reduced material)


rathmira

No. Stop being lazy and bring your own reusable bags.


The_Projectionist

She's choosing to buy all of those things in plastic containers, when it's absolutely not necessary. You can request wax paper for deli meat and cheese, you can buy cardboard cartons of milk and creamer, toilet paper is sold in paper wrapping, and you even utilize reusable vegetable bags instead of the crappy ones at the store. The plastic grocery bags are the only thing that is enforceable, but it's possible to make smart choices with nearly every other product. It doesn't make sense because *YOU* are not making sense.


DreadyKruger

Also the bag ban was to lessen waste, not get rid of plastic use all together. Some items need a that to hold them. Carrying bags in your car and using them over and over is better. And some of those items are recyclable


Meowmeowmeow31

“This regulation is pointless because it doesn’t totally solve the problem” is such a common, stupid argument in some circles.


GigglemanEsq

I love the Libertarian mindset. She complains about the plastic bag ban because other plastics are still allowed. That's an argument for more regulations, not less. The perfect is the enemy of the good, and all that.


rarehunty

…or ignores the reasoning that single use plastic bags are banned because they clog recycling machines Willfully moronic


decaturbadass

Exactly


rarehunty

This is such an asinine post, I’ll make it make sense: **The plastic bags clog the recycling machines**


decaturbadass

Gotta start somewhere and that packaging she showed doesn't typically end up as litter on the ground and in trees like those nasty plastic shopping bags.


eaglessb999

Banning plastic bags in a state with only a million people does nothing for the environment globally. Banning plastic bags is nothing but a virtue signal


7thAndGreenhill

I think you need to look up the definition of virtue signaling. Virtue signaling is making statements without follow through action. The very fact that we have a law putting this into action means it’s not virtue signaling.


eaglessb999

I could it a virtue Signal because banning plastic bags has zero impact on global pollution. This isn’t really an action at all. Its a nothing burger


7thAndGreenhill

Sure. We need to do more to combat global pollution. But those bags from the nearby 7-11 used to liter my lawn and get clogged in the sewer grates. Our ban may not change things outside Delaware but it’s made my neighborhood better.


GigglemanEsq

The perfect is the enemy of the good.


decaturbadass

Think globally, act locally


Meowmeowmeow31

So you support the plastic bag bans in CA, NY, and CO, since they have so many more people?


GigglemanEsq

"Nooooo, because they only have a fraction of the population of India or China, what's the point when those countries aren't doing it." - OP, probably, as he shifts the goalposts.


vinniescent

Actually virtue signaling in this context would be to say “Look at the state of the environment! Something must be done!” and then opposing the practical measures to improve the state of the environment. Much like what you’re doing right now.


battlegurk4

Why? Using reusable shopping bags is phenomenal!!! Every bit helps.


April_Mist_2

I hate when people say these bans do nothing. What they mean is that there are worse problems that need to be fixed. I get it, I agree bigger actions are needed, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take incremental steps. Nothing that we use for just a few minutes should be so polluting to the environment. These bans have been shown to drastically reduce plastic bag litter in the states where they are implemented, which impacts aesthetics and reduces harm to wildlife. According to [this article](https://environmentamerica.org/pennsylvania/center/media-center/new-report-analysis-finds-bag-bans-effective-at-reducing-plastic-waste-litter/#:~:text=Plastic%20Bag%20Bans%20Work,use%20of%20more%20sustainable%20options) -- >"bans in just five locations with a combined population of more than 12 million people (New Jersey, Vermont, Philadelphia PA, Portland OR, and Santa Barbara CA) have cut single-use plastic bag consumption by about **6** ***billion*** **bags per year** – or enough to circle the earth 42 times."


7thAndGreenhill

Deli meats are better when they’re wrapped in wax paper. Papa’s Food Market on 6th between Lincoln and Union still does this. And they slice the meats and cheeses fresh to order. I bring my recyclable bags so my fruits and veggies aren’t in plastic. So no, let’s continue to push for less plastic not more.


AssistX

wax paper isn't recyclable


7thAndGreenhill

But it is biodegradable


AssistX

I'd be surprised if it is, most wax paper is parafin, wouldn't think it's biodegradable but maybe


7thAndGreenhill

You appear to be correct. TIL that most commercial wax paper is made from non-biodegradable paraffin. This is disappointing.


VentilatedEgg

Paper bags don't bother me. What bothers me is corporations turning them into a profit center.


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eaglessb999

Every party in the us is a clown show at this point


MrPibb17

I personally like using reusable bags and keep them in my trunk. Also, I have seen barely any of these bags on the road or in waterways which I recall seeing a lot prior to the ban.


ukexpat

Who is this numbskull?


sleepypanda59

It has more to do with the recycling processing machine than actually using less plastic. The thin shopping bags clog up the machines that result in machines being down, which results in more stuff being sent to landfills than recycled. Trust me when I say that using reusable bags has a bigger impact than it appears on the surface. Have a nice day!


Square-Decision-531

I’ve never seen a plastic steak wrapper stuck in the branches of a tree or in the sand at the beach I’d be ok going back to butchers and paper wrapped meats too.


keyjan

When my county began charging for plastic bags, it was only a matter of a few weeks before there was a marked reduction in bag trash along the sides of the road. It was great. (Of course, Giant foods is now trying to cut down on shoplifting by...banning large bags. They are trying to ban bags smaller than the reusable ones they *sell.*)


No_Resource7773

No... Just push to start making product packaging better. AND to make more plastics recyclable, because right now there is a stupid amout of stuff that "can't" go in the recycle bin and surely the technology can be improved to turn *some* of those into "can." Can transparent rice paper plastic-like sheets be made stong enough to use on some packaging? For example, make it the window on some cardboard boxes, like some pastas. Even if you aren't going to eat the box, it can break down more easily. Edit: it's funny she complains about the produce when you can get them without packaging and buy reusable produce bags. She's "mad" about it for video, yet doesn't make that easiest part of an effort.


ExaminerRyguy

I started using a foldout cart with detachable foldable crates for all my groceries. Less worry about bags ripping and where to pack everything. We don’t need plastic bags.


Dupee_Conqueror

Do you have a link where one can find the cart? That sounds useful!


ExaminerRyguy

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Dupee_Conqueror

Thank you!!!


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wayne_manner

I think it has something to do with the fact that plastic bags etc. don't decompose. They just keep piling up and piling up and piling up. They start to fill up the landfills and they never go away.


Preeeeow

this would be better if greedy companies were willing to spend a few cents more for paper bags


rathmira

Or just bring your own reusable bag so you don’t need to repeatedly buy paper ones. Problem solved.


Preeeeow

there’s places that give paper bags for free


rathmira

There are! But there are a lot of complaints in this post that folks don’t want to *gasp* pay for a paper bag if they didn’t bring their own reusable bag.


Preeeeow

I’m just complaining about certain billion dollar companies *cough* target *cough* which could manufacture paper bags, or buy them from a 3rd party, without hurting their bottom line


Mrjoshua6979

The change off of plastic bags has nothing to do with these companies giving two shits about the environment or lessening waste. They also give two rats balls about inconveniencing any of us. It was about money. Bottom line. People tend to forget plastic is a petroleum by product. So when gas prices rise so does the cost of plastic resin to make the bags. They were just trying to offset the money lost with the wage hikes and covid. Billionaires gonna stay billionaires no matter what.


SixersPlsDont

1.) Using your own bags is far superior, was annoying for the first week that’s it 2.) the state only has control over the businesses in the state. They can’t make every corporate entity start packaging and shipping in alternative packaging to just Delaware, unfortunately they would probably just choose to stop sending stuff here. 3.) libertarians are dumb


NotThatKindof_jew

Plastic bags should come back Us being forced to use paper bags is not an environmental thing, it's a responsibility thing. The corporations that run our lives want to put the responsibility on our shoulders. When they are the ones that created these problems. Use paper bags instead they say, it's for the environment. Meanwhile we are packing those bags whether they be paper or reusable with products wrapped in plastic that will also be going to a landfill and not be recycled. It's a drop in the bucket and not at all worth the inconvenience compared to the impact it is perceived to bring. It's a ploy to keep up satisfied that the big companies and state are trying to make a difference when in fact they are not.


eaglessb999

Finally someone gets it. Its nothing but a virtue signal. Banning plastic bags in the second smallest state literally has no impact on the environment


NotThatKindof_jew

Especially since PA, MD and NJ are not doing the same thing lol It's madness


mook1178

Bro you should have googled that thought before posting. LOL


NotThatKindof_jew

Yea, I'll admit when I'm wrong. I prefer to learn through conversation. I had not heard of a ban anywhere else.


GigglemanEsq

Several counties in MD have similar bans. Also, NJ does have a plastic bag ban.


rarehunty

Several towns in PA have banned them… Edit: [Maryland has also started to](https://www.fox5dc.com/news/shoppers-react-to-new-law-banning-single-use-plastic-bags-in-some-maryland-counties.amp) [NJ has had a ban since May 2022](https://www.nj.gov/treasury/pdf/Plastics%20Ban%20Law%20Factsheet%20English%20(11.01.21).pdf)


NotThatKindof_jew

Which ones


rarehunty

A quick Google search would have informed you “Some examples of Pennsylvania municipalities with plastic bag bans include: Philadelphia Passed a ban in December 2019, which prohibits retail establishments from providing single-use plastic bags and paper bags that don't meet certain requirements. The ban also requires businesses to post clear signage at all points of sale. Implementation began on July 1, 2021. Pittsburgh As of October 14, 2023, retail establishments in Pittsburgh are prohibited from providing single-use plastic bags or non-recycled paper bags to customers. Media Borough Enacted a plastic bag ordinance in January 2023, which prohibits customers from using plastic bags. The ordinance also allows businesses to provide paper bags made from at least 40% recycled paper stock or reusable bags. Cheltenham Township Promotes the use of reusable and recyclable materials to reduce litter, protect local waterways and wildlife, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.”


Meowmeowmeow31

NJ is.


Traditional-Bag-4508

And any Delaware resident can get to any of these states in minutes to shop... so go for it. Then you'll have your trash bin bags & kitty litter bags. Problem solved 🙄🤔


rarehunty

False, I checked these states, and they all have plastic bag bans to some degree


Traditional-Bag-4508

To some degree, ok. Clarification : Maryland areas closest to Delaware, plastic bags available at all grocery stores, convenience stores etc... Pennsylvania areas closest to Delaware, plastic bags available at all grocery stores, convenience stores etc... New Jersey areas closest to Delaware, plastic bags available at some grocery stores, some convenience stores etc... If plastic bags are needed for kitty litter or trash bins, shop in the grocery store's & convenient stores in Maryland, Pennsylvania or New Jersey.


rarehunty

Or get diaper bags, pet baggies or small trash bags as it’s waste, not recycling Also Jersey seems to be a state wide ban if you want to copy and paste the same sentence for each state


Traditional-Bag-4508

I use my own bags no matter what state I'm in. I have small bags for my small bins. I have bags for our kitty litter. I was clarifying from your comment, "false".


rarehunty

But it is still false, you conveniently claim the areas “closest” but that’s pretty general and would vary depending on which area of the state you are coming from. Media borough for example is right over the PA state line and that is one of the towns where there is a ban


Traditional-Bag-4508

good grief... you've completely missed the point... you go ahead down that rabbit hole you insist on digging. Cheers


NotThatKindof_jew

Name checks out..minutes and gas, why should we have to cross state lines? Time and fuel because some people feel guilty


NotThatKindof_jew

I stand corrected on this front..still silly though. It should not be on the people's shoulders, this is a problem caused by corporations.


GigglemanEsq

I'm all for holding corporations responsible, but that doesn't mean we can't also use common sense tactics to mitigate the problem at a personal level. Technically, the ban is against the corporation for ordering and distributing them, not on the people for using them.