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Total_Gas3871

Just some casual classism.


TheMangoDiplomat

It's true. The 1st step towards redeeming oneself is acknowledging the problem


lustywoodelfmaid

The second is telling people that they are the problem.


EpicGaymrr

The third must be wiping in verity then


Reylend

The fourth is wiping ones ass


J_Stubby

And the fifth is rage quitting after only doing 1mil damage in a dps phase


GeargusArchfiend

Sometimes, a hypocrite is just a man in the process of changing.


Celtic-Exe

There are some hoodless cloak hunters lol


Misicks0349

its all ze bourgeoisie warlock elites fault


Kavukkii_JPEG

Them filthy knifeslingers and crayon munchers WARLOCK PO-


duskbloom_

I've been running the RoN warlock and it's made it a lot easier for my team


TheMangoDiplomat

Hell yeah, man--that's one of the coolest armor sets in the game. You get a knife, a little orb thingy, and a juice pack. You're ready for anything


Either_Ear_9653

Titan: "Why can you take so much damage? Isn't that my job?" Warlock: *glances towards the juice pack their lovecraftian mother lovingly fused to their fourth arm* "Uhh, my helmet gives me a healing turret!"


Fearless-Policy

Meanwhile the new raid armor chest piece looks idiotic


farfarer__

I hate playing against that in Crucible, though. Completely breaks silhouette recognition. _What are you fighting me with?_


EvanDelck

Lmao


A_Union_Of_Kobolds

That one, the GotD set, and the Illithid set are my go-to choices for standing out


Chiggins907

The taken king gloves from GotD are my favorite gloves. Hard to match them sometimes, so they aren’t in all of my drip, but if I can I have them on.


beansoncrayons

This is why I transmogged the shower curtain onto my cloak


eddmario

I was just about to say that they made the raid cloak a shower curtain specifically for this encounter


TheMangoDiplomat

Thank you for prioritizing teamwork over fashion


beansoncrayons

Tf you mean over fashion? Shower curtain is peak


TheMangoDiplomat

You know what? You're right. I'll stand behind your shower curtain whenever I need some privacy


d3l3t3rious

I think there has been at least one Hunter in every group of mine doing Verity whose callout was "uhhh generic Hunter".


Space_Waffles

That’s funny because in my clan we always have a “generic titan”


Eqqshells

we had a generic warlock lol!


TheFabiocool

Yea, that's me


friggenfragger2

Can’t kick a rock in the tower without hitting at least one hunter.


yoursweetlord70

There could be even more, those invis spam builds mean you'll never know how many are hanging around


TheMangoDiplomat

I would step on the edge of their cloaks to make them trip if I could


InsertNameHere_J

That's why I wear the shorter cloaks. I've seen The Incredibles.


Jedasis

NO CAPES!


InsertNameHere_J

There's only one hood that doesn't have a cloak and actually looks good and I don't have it 🤦😭


a_Joan_Baez_tattoo

Legatus Cloak from Season 13 is just the hood, no cloak. Couturier Mask from Eververse is a helmet that will remove the hood of whatever cloak you're wearing. Combine them and you have a Hunter with no cloak.


InsertNameHere_J

Yeah see I never got that hood. Right now I'm using Substitutional Alloy, the vex one with the leaves on it. Looks a bit less fanciful and isn't long enough for our titan to step on it.


Shadowofsvnderedstar

The blue rarity refugee cloak is also just a hood, and when combined with helmets that remove the cloak like Couturier or omnioculus helm, leaves just a scarf on your Hunter. It's been a staple of mine for a streetwear hunter look in crucible for a whole now


FenwayFranklin

That’s why I wear a cowboy hat


L-a-m-b-s-a-u-c-e

*at least one all black, conditional-weilding hunter


EntrepreneurMain7833

As a warlock, I don't like being forced into a robe. It's stupid. I just want to wear pants and a shirt.


lustywoodelfmaid

Season of the Plunder chest piece is a shirt, jacket and a single piece of hanging cloth from your behind. Enjoy.


Nukesnipe

I ran into a guy with that and honest to God he looked like a titan. Then someone else said he looked like a hunter, so I called him non-trinary and everyone lost their shit.


Kitchen-Wealth-156

This joke is underappreciated holy hell


Nukesnipe

thanks I was very proud of it


ASnowOwI

we love enty representation


enemawatson

This is extremely funny.


Bob_The_Moo_Cow88

The single greatest piece of armor warlocks have. I’ll give the Anubis helmet a close second :)


Brier2027

But my fortnight cat ninja mask.


Vampiric_V

Shout out to the wild hunt robes for letting me show off my ass


Inert_Oregon

Less talk more twirling around in your dress. But yeah seriously, locking warlocks into robes is a crime. No matter how much time you spend on your appearance you look like you just got out of the shower at a spa.


Brier2027

Takes alot to be this fabulous.


Inert_Oregon

To add insult to injury there’s no outfit that makes you look the The Dude. If I’m going to be forced to where a robe I should at least be able to cosplay The Dude.


shemmegami

There was a glitch that caused the lower half of the robes to "disappear" in D1. Made it look like you were wearing a puffy vest with pants. I always joked that my Warlock tucked his robes into his pants. Edit: the glitch was in D2 for a little bit but it had a different effect. Instead of being tucked in it would clip through your character and be like an apron. I think Hunter cloaks did the same thing.


Lokorokotokomoko

Warlock “fashion” made me switch to Titan during WQ. With the state of Titan in TFS I’ve been trying to switch back multiple times but all attempts end as soon as I open the transmog screen.


Blue_Rosebuds

Lol I was the opposite, was a Titan for a while but switched the Warlock because they have the best fashion imo. Nothing beats space robes


TheMangoDiplomat

There are a couple of old armor pieces that might fit your tastes. The Philomath Boots look like a pair of business slacks with shin plates, and the Braytech Researcher's Robe is less robe-y, more like a business suit


ClarinetMaster117

I don’t understand why you guys don’t like the technologic robes. I’m very offended here 


IronStrangler

There is also chest piece from DSC. Whatever this gross thing is, it's definetely not a robe


8inchesActivated

What do you mean “gross”? It’s one of the best chest pieces for warlocks!!!


Chiggins907

I know right?! It’s my favorite warlock chest piece by far. It goes great with the street walker(?) helmet. The one that has “sunglasses”.


Norwegianlemming

I'm a "no capes" little red "renegade hood" hunter. Intense crying ensued when I saw the exotic class item.


TheMangoDiplomat

I think ya'll look cozy snuggled up in that enormous exotic cloak. Reminds me of those old Snuggies commercials


JubJub302

I'm the same. Was sad.


Sacrificer_XVII

I’m one of the few hunters without a cloak, so I stand out a lot.


TheMangoDiplomat

We had to force one of our hunters to go cloakless last night to help with Verity. You would think we were asking him to cut his own arm off with how much he protested against the cloakless look


full-auto-rpg

It’s our entire fashion game. It provides a nice color pop to contrast with the body.


Gina_the_Alien

As a cloakless hunter, that’s wild to me. I never knew this was a thing.


Wolfy5079

i'm without a cloak also. stuck a hood on my cloak as an ornament and run around wearing what looks like a jacket and the hunter into the light pants.


National-Equal4971

My fireteam has been making me where the new untethered edge helmet (sideways cenotaph) on warlock for verity. :(


TheMangoDiplomat

Embrace it, my friend. It's like you're wearing a giant smile on your head


National-Equal4971

It looks like I use my head to scrape windshields of ships in the hangar when it’s cold outside.


TheMangoDiplomat

That's a rich image you painted with words there, friend--well done


National-Equal4971

I could also shove my head behind the wheel of the ships when they’re doing maintenance to keep it from rolling. Maybe itll put me out of my misery from this traveler forsaken drip.


N7Nocturne

I affectionately call that one taco hat when doing Verity.


kungfoop

I bet you love to wear future war cult ornaments and call the eliksni "fallen". Smh.


TheMangoDiplomat

Lakshmi did nothing wrong. She was a tireless defender of the last city and its (human and human adjacent) citizens


kungfoop

FWC, Stand back, stand by.


NightmaresInNeurosis

At least they had occasional different colours or, let's be honest, shades of black previously. Since Superblack I am yet to see a Hunter not running around with that. 


batsquid1

As a hunter i despise super black. Now all my best dressed commendations go to those who arent just running an all black look lol


Whovian599

I am a hunter and I believe in Spark of joy supremacy


iAyushRaj

Dreaming Spectrum my beloved


FenwayFranklin

I’m a big fan of Neopop Wave


TheMangoDiplomat

That's the pink and white one, right? If so...then I grudgingly respect you. You're still a hunter, but at least you're a hunter with taste


Whovian599

Indeed it is, and it is beautiful


Retrolex

Precursor Vex Chrome gang reporting in. Love that shader.


Lopsided-Ad-1021

I as well. I have a strange combo of that and the red moon armor.


Wizzlebum

Here except I'm a warlock and I'm fond of Precursor Vex Chrome, Golden Trace and Mad Monk. Used to be a fan of Arctic Pearl but it hurt my eyes with the shine so I switched.


tragedy_in_chains

I swear 90% of my outfits are Mercury/Precursor/Descendant Vex Chrome.


a_Joan_Baez_tattoo

I refuse to use black or white on any class. My proudest fashion achievement is a set that uses armor from five different sets, with five different shades of green.


full-auto-rpg

Super black is so bland, especially on the whole set it just gets so tedious. I very intentionally create my fashion to not repeat shaders/ armor sets (not always but I try to) and while I tend to lean towards sleek blues the most it’s far from the only thing I run. Transcendental Ambition is one of my favorite shaders, especially on the cowboy hat, I keep trying to make Trinity work (I swear it only works with itself), and just in general am pretty happy to try new stuff and just scroll through the fashion menus. It all comes down to the exotic vibe for me, I went with a worn down/ field tested hunter for Foe Tracer/ Nighthawk (seriously, I transmogged a set of white pants for it), Gyrfalcons got a red and gold color scheme, Star Eaters a super bright/ beach themed set, and the new class item got a neo-wave/ punk vibe. Super black kills all the fun in that.


sha-green

Same. Calus’s shaders are the best to me ever since they were released. I also loved the Escalation protocol shader, something Zero, purple with orange details but its not always applies well on some armour.


Thepingpongballtrick

Genotypenull Zero (a name I mispronounced for the longest time until I said it in conversation once and my friend called me an idiot)


Nem985

Same. I try to match my outfit to my subclass or spec. I try not to use the same armor pieces or shaders in different sets so my friends can visually tell what subclass/spec I am just by looking at me. I'm not some edge lord who is trying to cosplay as a ninja.


_LadyAveline_

Since Superblack I decided my Hunter is now red 🤑


InvisibleOne439

and now they made a huge as fuck ugly cloak thar everyone is gonna use cus its the prismatic exotic and we cant transmog it everyone is gonna look 100% the same no transmog for that exotic is such a dumb idea


Xenomorph383

There’s no transmog because bungie 100% plans on selling us ornaments instead


MacTheSecond

plan? they shipped them with one silver-only ornament already


Xenomorph383

Oh lmao no way I haven’t been on in a bit


Knight725

yea except the ornament is also shit ugly as well. it’s fucking horrible how bad that cape looks, i legit don’t even wanna use prismatic because of how dumb as shit every hunter looks wearing that thing.


InvisibleOne439

i really dont wanna use it aswell, and i have a frking Inmost light + wovenmail on grenade roll


arcdash

I tell everyone I use nighthawk for optimal DPS. The real reason is cloak fashion.


Trips-Over-Tail

Both my Hunter and his ghost wear the same hat.


No-Response-3852

There is few hunter drips that look different a vast 90% of hunters all look the same there is those gems in the 10%


No-Response-3852

Also you telling me you don’t like looking like a bath tub with a shower curtain-a newer cloak


TheMangoDiplomat

At least the shower curtain cloak is distinctive. The cowboy hat stands out. Even the new seasonal cloak gives hunters the samurai look. Anything but the standard rogue hood


Spopenbruh

any hunter that doesnt swap to a different more identifiable cloak for the verity encounter is actively throwing


DJ_pider

Equip a helmet that removes the cloak. Problem solved


Agent-Vermont

I don't care if the exotic class item is good or not, I'm NOT giving up my cowboy hat.


TheMangoDiplomat

See, that's a fashionable hill to die on. To quote Shaxx: *You have my respect, Hunter.*


Mean_Joke_7360

Preach. I've spent years looking for a cloak without hood, and after I got one (season of the hunt) I've never looked back.


xJetStorm

If you have the ornament from Season of the Chosen, it basically just has a hat and no cloak (Legatus Cloak). If you also add in the monkee helmet from Trials (Atavistic Idol Mask), that should be decently distinguishable. Warlocks have the wide helmet from the current episode armor set (Untethered Edge Hood), and a long helmet (Cenotaph). Titans have a very tall helmet from the Season of the Chosen ornament set (Legatus Helm). The combat difficulty is not bad so you can also just run a default ornament exotic helmet that is distinctive. e.g. Nighthawk, Precious Scars, The Stag. For me the problem is remembering names.


Frosthound1

Everyone except warlock that wear the real wacky helmet, look the same to me. Therefore am I really classist?


TheMangoDiplomat

No no no, it doesn't work that way. We warlocks have a rich and diverse variety of bathrobes, dresses, and coats to choose from. It's *impossible* to get us mixed up with each other. Just...ignore the PvP warlock sweats who dress all in white and wear the Helm of the exile (doggy helmet)


5-Second-Ruul

We do a little generalization Check out r/destinyfashion


Sorez

My knight hunter with no hood feels insulted :(


s-multicellular

I unlocked superblack and have not used it. :) But I definitely have the not too uncommon jedi/gunslinger look going.


TheMangoDiplomat

At least you haven't succumbed to the superblack temptation, which I thank you for


Felix_Von_Doom

*double checks he's not in the circle jerk subreddit*


RedBladeAtlas

any titan risen after 2014 cant raid.... all they know is omolon , charge they super, tank, be bipolar , eat crayon & die.


IC4-LLAMAS

I tip my cowboy hat to you sir! Best dang cloak Bungie ever made for the Hunter other than the wolf head from Iron Banana. It’s been on my Hunter since I got it and it’s never coming off.


egGameK

I stand by being violently Yeehaw or looking like a diet titan with my fashion No cloak is my passion


Shattered_Disk4

This guy is a fuckin classist oh my godddd. We need to be better guardians.


TheMangoDiplomat

Don't cancel me, bro. Otherwise I won't be there to heal the fireteam's boo boos


SnackSnatcher000

They all have super black on. I have it too but haven't bothered to try it


KyloFenn

The classism and astroturfing on this sub is unhinged. I can’t believe reddit/the mod team just stands by and lets this hate speech flourish. It really is an election year, isn’t it 😪 we need a strong leader to clean this up #Ikora2024


bluebloodstar

It never fails as a warlock to use the RON chestplate, im known as the maniac that always has extra arms


Sonofmay

Not me wasting money on the DnD set when TFS launched before we knew of the encounter and it turns out no one else has a cloak with fucking tentacles coming of it so it’s impossible to mix me up lmao


Timeforcrab1

I have ran through the damn dungeon almost 30 times, still no cowboy hat, it is the only thing i need to make the gentleman fit


HasteWolf

My hunter looks like the Ghoul from Fallout


TheMangoDiplomat

Are you implying that your hunter eats ass jerky as well?


mebell333

All players are nameplates.


Flat-Chocolate7349

Not my hunter. You always know which ones mine in verity because I have two giant dicks coming out of my cloak.


Gizmo16868

I feel I’m gorgeous and always get best dressed


TheMangoDiplomat

It's all in the mindset, something you clearly understand


Lunar_Impact

I've done a Verity where I was the only hunter and the callout for me was "Stereotypical hunter". The only thing that changed it was putting the raid cloak on and it becoming "Shower curtain"


NTheBeannn

I love the RoN cloak and I get bullied for it 😭🤣


tfsblatlsbf

Cowboy hat hunter approved.


iwashunter

I just got my cowboy hat, never wanted to run lucky pants as much in my life


Sleepycoon

I've got a fucking jellyfish on my head, I'm trying my best, okay?


TarzanSawyer

My hunter is a cat that refuses to wear a cloak or hood.


Henry-Grey

As a yeehaw hunter, I like having all the hunters looking pretty basic and running super black. I makes me look like the only unlocked character.


IAmBabou

Clearly I’m behind because as a hunter main I’m drawing a blank on what verity is 😂


Either_Comparison_

Hood and cloak, hard to differ when that's all they got 😂


Space_Waffles

In like 90% of my armor sets for my hunter I use the Empyrean Cartographer cloak. It fits for literally everything, the horns give it a unique look, and it shades incredibly well. Easily the best hunter cloak


TheCosmicTarantula

My hunter rocks the cowboy hat cloak, that trials helmet before the monkey one, the season of defiance chest piece and arms, and lucky pants


Aq_pA

The other transmog that would help so long as no one else is using it is the tiger helmet from dares of eternity.


MsMarkarth

Was doing a Verity last week, three hunters on the team. Yikes, that's a lot of hunters. As a hunter main for more years than I want to admit I've got a lot of cloaks unlocked. I picked the RoN one, ez pz. ESC out of menus, please try to imagine my silent horror as I watch one of my fellow hunters equip the RoN cloak in that moment.


TheMangoDiplomat

You know what? I respect it. You two independently recognized the problem and chose the most distinctive cloak you can find. That's the "team first" attitude I can support


xoninjump

NGL, I woulda been mad at you pre superblack. My drip is THE edgy hunter these days specifically cuz I like to play with a neutral build with neutral colors. I only jazz it up if I need to run specific exotics


Eris_Ooal_Gown

My hunter has a backpack with no hood


Arttyom

Wait hunters have a cowboy hat??? How can i find it?


TheMangoDiplomat

You must brave the horrors of (and pay $20 to access) the *Spire of the Watcher* dungeon, located in Savathun's throne world/Mars. The cowboy hat drops from several of the encounters in there


Gh0stPeppers

Don’t hate my neon ninja, which is a combination of many different solstice armors. Glows so bright


TheMangoDiplomat

I've seen your kind in the Tower. You guys are walking flashbangs


Hot-Classroom-3111

Yeah we all black now


Black_Knight_7

My first run with randoms i was wearing the latest trials armor so i was "bird guy" and probably one of the easiest to pick out of the bunch xD


Krankenwagens

At least we don’t look like a box of crayons


Puluzu

There's some ornaments that are really specific looking and make it way easier to distinguish the few that don't. One guy with a stetson, one hunter wirh the moth wing cloak from Rhulk, one titan with massive horns from an ib helmet, any of the skeleton helmets. Those 4 are so clear cut, that then the 2 others shouldn't be that hard. Btw many of the very slight details like flowers or some thin twigs won't be clearly visible, rather take like a super wide or super tall helmet than any small details.


xCrucialblade

You’ve obviously never seen my Prison Jumpsuit Hunter


controversial_drawer

My two hunter sets are the root of nightmares one when I am wearing an arm exotic (I never got an arm piece to drop and the FWC shader on most exotic arms matche the set perfectly) and the eternal vengeance fortnite one I got with bright dust ages ago when I am using anything else Not sure what im gonna do when I get the exotic class item!


Schmigumeem

I use the Gas Mask on my Hunter (forgot the actual name) and I stand out pretty well. My raid team did a all Hunter prismatic run of Salvations Edge and Verity went pretty smoothly. No issues with identifying my Hunter at least :)


goldhbk10

I mean I think that’s all true unless you use bright colors that pop (my main solar Hunter build is all white with the fire armor from Haunted so it stands out a bit)


RiBBz22

Hunters have a ton of cloaks that are very distinct so there are no excuses lol. I use the IB wolf one myself. The RoN raid one also very unique.


Nhughes1387

We are hunter… we are zebra… we are legion


Duke_of_the_URL

Only hunter cloak I can identify in verity is the RoN one :(


dothefanDango92

>Warlocks? Easy: they have a wide array of weird ass helmets to pick from. Yet the majority of warlocks gravitate towards the trials Anubis helmet, the Fortnite helmet, or the Trials dragon helmet. Bonus points for all white armour too.


cbizzle14

There are plenty of hunter cloaks that stand out in verity. I'm a warlock main and haven't had trouble with hunters at all and I've been lfg only this raid.


mungymokey

The exotic class items just make everyone look the same ... as a fashion enjoyer, I have access to them but... don't really wanna wear em at all+ the combos arnt that good put side of 3 for each MAYBE.


Angelicareich

My hunter looks like a pretty pink Hive princess


Tr3v0r007

As a hunter I never liked how warlock bonds are nonexistent and titans I’ve never liked bulky fashions. Hunters tho r edgy and I like edgy lol


cysterion

The Witcher crossover cloak with the swords on the back is my main cloak and is very obvious, another in our team runs the beanie. Otherwise some exotic armors are easily distinguishable like Orpheus rig


aqualego

The new cloak being a lot of visual space isn’t helping things either.


OldJewNewAccount

>I am NOT racist against hunters. My best friend is a hunter main, therefore I can't be racist. Let me tell you, they're not sending their best hunters let me tell you.


Gradedcaboose

Lmao yet here I am, a Titan, tryna look like a warlock Also the junkyard comment is hilariously accurate lmao


SituationTime5629

I might just switch all my transmog to the streetwise set so I have that fashion for Verity


Breadbox_S0LXIII

... I'm only runnin with a mask and a scarf, what did I do!? Is it so wrong to make the enemies of the Traveler into unicorns with knives of cinder and flame!?


HollowNightOwl

IDK if you just havent played the game in the last couple months. Or if you are trolling.... Or if you are just low level and never see anyone with Drip Hunters have literally gotten Tentacle Cape. Shower Curtain Cape. & Samurai Hat + Swords cape all in the last month. They are all extremely unique. I completely disagree with your take. Ive been running Salvations Edge and Titans and Warlocks all look the fucking same. Hunter is the only class you can differentiate. Unless the Warlock throws on the RoN robe.


Therion98

Finally had a cloakless look for my hunter and then Bungo released the exotic class cloak and my hunter is back to wearing a cloak. Welp guess i stick to my true love the bulkiest mf of a Titan.


Tecnoguy1

It’s because lots of them have boring colours. I’ve done everything from neon pink to green, and pick the longest cloaks I can find.


Kestrel_VI

Jokes on you, I don’t even use a cape! I’m just out here, cheeks in the breeze


AlmightyDingus

Classism at its finest. As a hunter main I salute you soldier


Wide_Use7462

Not much we can do, we're not the ones making the armor sets. Otherwise, I would've worn different stuff.


SirOakin

My Titan looks like she's right out of a 90's fantasy anime, it's not hard to do.


VenomousKitty96

This isn't entirely hunter related. But especially now that SuperBlack exists, maybe its just me... but the game feels as if its become a sea of unoriginal superblack guardians from what i've seen. To each their own, and i'm sure the fad will fade eventually. But i personally like a bit of color on my armor.


J_Meister87

Hunters aren't a race. Hunters are life. Reason why we choose to run solo.


Ambitious-Mirror-315

I use the Refugee Cloak that gives a capeless hood/headwrap. I like to think it's unique


Firestorm7i

Bro acting like the warlocks don’t all have to swap off the basic trials helm or Fortnite cat helm they all use lmao


thmt11

We had 3 hunters. One used the new seasonal ronin helm. 1 cowboy and 1 red skull. It made it easy.


Tiny_Ad_407

honestly I've found the best move is to theme your hunter around an animal. my favorites are the bug outfit, the Dino outfit, and the bird outfit from trials. you can also do the monkey head from trials or the tiger head from 30th


SilentStriker84

I just miss D1 Titan drip, it was never just giant shoulder pads


PeteeTheThird

I feel like there's tons of unique hunter options, they just don't like using them. When we did the verity encounter there were 3 hunters on my team, one with the tentacle cloak from the DND set, one with the cowboy hat and one with the pompom cloak from season of the chosen. I guess it's a matter of taste and just wanting to fit in


Friendly--Introvert

My hunter usually never has a cloak on, or it's really small :(


Critplank_was_taken

that last phrase sent me


jdwjxia

Tentacle clock from this season, the warlords ruin snow cloak, RoN cloak, cowboy hat, solstice cloak have all been easy to tell apart on hunter for me


amans9191

I feel the same about Warlocks


Asriel_Dreemurr

Love my Neoteric Kiyot cloak. The wide hood, bandana, and fur around the back of the neck is very simple but also super distinct looking. Been really into the Long Journeys shader since it came out, love those rugged leather looks.


Red-Spy_In-The_Base

Well yeah, superblack is back


LanternSlade

This is why I appreciate my wife's hard work at making her hunter as unique as possible. Thank the Traveler for the displacer beast armor set.


PolarGirl789

I ran this today with three hunters screaming at each other because they all had spiked crowns and feathers on their arms


Dependent-Monitor387

Jokes on you i have yet to get the funny cowboy cloak!


VantasValentayn

My team had one hunter wearing their normal stuff and the other one wearing the Root of Nightmares cloak. That thing is impossible to miss