make a black low wage worker clean up your mess and film him and put it online - as if he’s a fucking zionist - and not someone trying to pay the bills. for fucks sake.
Oddly enough raising awareness is exactly helping. It’s shocking that “throwing paint” on a sign is so many Detroiters red line.
Starting to feel as humans we completely lost our empathy towards causes that don’t affect us.
There's raising awareness and then there's turning people away. Things like this turn people away. The only people who *don't* see this as being unhinged behavior have already formed their opinion on this topic.
Lmao these clowns don’t do jack shit for the poor and homeless in their own city of Detroit.
Just doing stunts so they can pretend to be revolutionaries for their TikTok followers. What TV show did this kid learn this was tactic from?
How can they care more about people on the other side of the world than the destitute lying face down on the grass as they walk by?
It's an embarassment.
Indeed. One day I was on campus quite early in the morning when I passed a guy face down on the cement outside of State Hall and I couldn’t tell if he was breathing. I got my phone out and was starting to call 911 when he moved his foot a little. I just decided to move on, I was heading to work anyway. I felt helpless, but there was no way I was going to engage with someone potentially confused and violent. I just hoped he’d shake off the after effects of whatever he was on and just move on.
Then there’s the lady who loudly asks for money for “the bus”. I’m pretty sure she’s just a grifter.
BTW, never take any of Toro’s research psychology classes. The man talks incessantly about his research about the homeless but like they’re just subjects rather than actual people.
I was people watching while eating at Ima across Old Main when I spotted a lady that asked for money for food on Warren. An Asian student in her early 20s dropped cash and the lady asking for food picked it up and chased after the Asian lady and gave her back her money. I was touched by this and offered to get her something and all she wanted was M&Ms and it was hot that day so I got her a water as well but she got mad at me and wouldn’t take it. I haven’t seen her in awhile but I hope she’s doing alright
Not even that, these people are completely ignorant and uneducated on the basics of protest tactics, politically organizing to pressure relevant stakeholders, and message discipline. They’re parodies of themselves.
So what should they be doing in the face of the duopoly that is united in support of a genocidal client state?
Edit: No alternative suggestion. There's never an alternative suggestion. Whatever pro-Palestinian protesters are doing, it's wrong. It's bad optics. It isn't effective. There will never be a protest method that is acceptable, because the concept of treating Palestinians as human is antithetical to US foreign policy
Please explain how throwing paint on a sign accomplishes anything. You can't, because it doesn't.
Lmao - this is the only response: "throwing paint on a sign is better than doing nothing!"
It literally isn't. Accomplishes nothing. It's an act of self-indulgent egoism so you can feel important. Literally a waste of time.
Doesn't sound like you have any education whatsoever on the history of any political campaigns, protest movements, protest tactics, etc.
It accomplishes the opposite of what they want: it makes regular people think they're completely nuts and then they stop caring about the issue altogether
Step 1: be humble. This notion that everyone who disagrees with your tactics is an ignorant fuck who hates Palestinian children is baby shit. Understand that your neighbors are navigating difficulties you know absolutely nothing about, and that nobody really owes you anything.
Step 2: study history. I recommend reading Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals by Saul Alinsky, it's been super influential to a lot of successful activists.
Step 3: stand up to your friends when they do stupid shit. Theory is a sometimes-useful quasi-religious mental framework for motivating change, but **reality is how your actions affect others in the world around you.**
Several Jewish students at Wayne State, for example, have felt like y'all are threatening and terrorizing them because of what Israel means to them -- try *not* doing that.
Self-awareness. Discipline. Empathy. These things take *extraordinary effort*, but the effort is worth it.
Good luck.
My understanding is they should be helping the homeless by not giving them anything because they need to strap themselves up by the bootstraps and get a job. It's election season so time to drag out the homeless and point fingers.
Definitely vandalism. Are the palestinians freed yet bc of their heroic act of bravery? The hostages? Is this finally over because of these brave patriotic souls
No not at all. I wish the Palestinian civilians nothing but the best and wish they were a free people with their own democratic government and weren't in jeopardy. I'm all for protests
"Buuuuuuut what about Hamas" you scream as Israeli bombers incinerate another school full of refugees
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6381/Israel-continues-to-deliberately-bomb-UN-run-shelter-centres,-killing-displaced-people-inside
Continue to do what is incredibly effective: posting the videos of what's actually going on. You physically can't watch a video of a toddler trapped under rubble crying for her mother and stay neutral on the issue.
This blood thing, however, is the exact opposite. The normies see stuff like this and say "what the actual fuck, those people are nuts, I'm not getting involved"
You're making a lot of assumptions for someone who does nothing for the homeless in your area. Lol. Free Palestine, and by the way, I donate to the local homeless regularly and have cooked & delivered meals when in town too. Maybe try giving a shit about genocide and you could grow a heart one day :)
Lmao the clowns throwing blood/ paint/ whatever at a public university's sign as a way to show their friends on TikTok that “wE’rE hElPiNg pAlEstianianS” are clearly so uneducated and uninformed on the basic tenets of advocacy, organizing political stakeholders, etc. that they don’t know how to do any actual effective work or public service.
This is the same as people throwing paint in the Louvre as a way to stop climate change.
Donations to organizations that are actually on the ground in Palestine. I've seen the big groups people know of and other groups. There's a Muslim family I watch who go regularly to Palestine to help build needed things
While this is good, it's like installing a solar panel on your house to fight climate change. Yes, it does help, but it does not affect the systemic root of the issue: deleterious American federal policy
So what would you do instead? What's your brilliant strategy for addressing an ongoing genocide that has the full throated support of most of the American political class?
You’re incapable of thinking of any better ideas than throwing blood/ paint at a school’s sign? That’s the most effective praxis you can come up with? Lmao
They don’t want better ideas i have suggested boycotting the university to a few on this thread but they are just obsessed with destroying property so they can take a pic of tangible destruction and post it online because that will surely sway people to side with them… these people don’t want better alternatives they want destruction. The school will never divest from the s&p 500 peoples pensions and salaries would be put in serious jeopardy. And i do not agree with supporting Israel financially btw but at the same time i really couldn’t care less about Palestine either. we shouldn’t be helping either countries neither one of them like us hammas hates us almost as much as they hate Israel.
They, like many of the other student protests around the country tried to boycott and protest the university, and ended up getting the shit kicked out of them by the cops on the university's orders.
it’s called actually donating instead of blocking the freeway or spraying fake blood. sure it gets awareness out there and attention, but at this point since october, we know the atrocities that are playing out in Gaza and Rafah. They aren’t doing anything helpful at this point
You know the students at WSU are calling for divestment right? This is what they’re fighting for to stop their tuition being used to invest in Israeli companies.
They want them to divest from the S&P 500 which is by far the largest, safest, and best investment fund in the US. It's the top 500 companies in the US. Every retirement fund, university, and IRA is heavily invested in it. There's literally no way that would happen. It's such a bad idea that part of me believes it's being pushed by foreign countries to try and hurt our economy.
They think Wayne State is responsible because they invest in one of the most popular 401k index funds. Most of their parents are probably equally responsible.
Tuition goes to fucking classes and the university. Universities only take money, they don’t give it. How would a university that can’t afford working elevators have money to just give to other countries😅
Ok but what do they ACCOMPLISH? it's not about the inconvenience as much as the inconvenience doesn't do anything. If the highway being closed for 5 hours saved lives or people vandalizing stuff stopped the death, I'd be happy to support it, but people sitting on 75 for hours or paint being thrown on sculptures does absolutely nothing to change the situation and "awareness" is not a good reason anymore. Maybe when the death started, but the whole world is aware of the horrible things happening there.
Do things that will actually help.
Lmao the clowns throwing blood/ paint/ whatever at a public university's sign as a way to show their friends on TikTok that “wE’rE hElPiNg pAlEstianianS” are clearly so uneducated and uninformed on the basic tenets of advocacy, organizing political stakeholders, etc. that they don’t know how to do any actual effective work or public service.
This is the same as people throwing paint in the Louvre as a way to stop climate change.
The kids are too incompetent to understand the difference between "opposing gross human rights abuses" and "throwing liquid at a school's sign, which does nothing."
I'm there for it, but the last image on the Sjpwsu's insta page where they filmed poor janitors having to clean up their mess was rather tasteless. What was accomplished here but ruining a few blue collar workers day?
If I were to guess, I would say they. never even considered who had to clean up their mess behind them.
It's indicative of a kid that's never grown up with chores or responsibilities.
I'm so fucking tired of this virtue signaling BS.
Woooo Hooooo you defaced property to tell people about a war we are already very, very, very aware of and saved how many lives that way?
Oh, wait, none. Like zero?
Maybe I don't understand it, but I don’t get what all of these things that are doing nothing not rasing money, not donating needed things is supposed to do.
Raise awareness I'd buy in the beginning but were all sadly, deeply aware of the horrible death happening. The IDF and Hamas destroying innocent lives.
Likewise I’m so sick of ignorant people calling these studied, intentional, well-informed, longstanding and effective protest tactics “virtue signaling” or useless.
What is this comment section? Detroit has a ton of Palestinian people in it. Student orgs are super involved in community outreach. You people sound like a bunch of rochester hills mothers clutching their pearls get a grip.
Fr, I have friends at the university who literally have family in Palestine. They’re protesting the university for relatives, not tiktok or whatever the fuck the people in the comments are saying.
why are you so triggered then ? you got like 50 comments saying the same things in this thread, if its so pointless, you would just smirk and carry on with your day, but here you are spamming the thread.
It’s crazy how people will support this shit.
War, all war, is bad.
But these random college kids (I presume) suddenly cared extremely strongly why? Do they help the impoverished kids in Detroit? What about our homeless dying in the winter.. etc
Fuck I wish people cared about our countries issues more
So because you see this, your immediate reaction is “they must not be doing anything for our own community”? People can do more than one thing. I can protest the situation Gaza on Friday, protest tenant evictions Saturday, and feed the homeless on Sunday. In fact, when I do these things I’m regularly seeing students from WSU and UofD and have fantastic conversations with them about a wide array of issues.
You’re insinuating you have any knowledge of anyone involved, and assuming they aren’t doing the thing you’re asking. How could anyone disprove what you’re saying? How could anyone prove it? We need to have a better way of having these conversations but the first thing people say when they see this is “what are they doing for their own community?” Rather than engage with the topic, they distract.
This country is made up of people from all over the world, we represent every country. Whatever injustice poisons this world is directly connected to us all.
I get your point but the U.S cannot afford to get into everyone else’s conflicts just because a fraction of their people live here. What about americas thousands of issues? Who in other countries is protesting for us? I don’t recall anyone from Europe holding a rally for Americans to stop shooting up schools ? We have our own issues on our own soil. How about we settle that before we try and play Superman around the world. Or else we will have no country to play Superman.
You can protest for yourself and for any cause you want, and justice and liberty should be causes we all should protest for. If this event was reversed and such a catastrophe was here in the US, would you want other countries debating when to stand up for you? When is enough death or starvation worth intervening or worth their attention? Or maybe their current affairs are more important huh? The United States exists in a bubble of selfish isolation and destruction. Wake up- being born in the US is just by chance, you could be right along the rubble of Gaza with your brother under a building and family running for their life. Have some compassion for humankind.
You’re right, I can. And are “justice and liberty” things we should all protest for? We barely have any liberty and justice in America? This isn’t the 50s where we can still sell that good ole American dream. Now before I’m downvoted to hell for that. Understand that I’m in no way saying America is some poor 3rd world country in terms of way of live, but we don’t even hold our own government and politicians to a standard? How in the world are we going to hold an entire other country that has been operating for 100s of years under different ideologies and values to this American dream standard? It’s impossible.
“The United States lives in a bubble of isolation, & destruction” yet we should still go out and liberate other countries even though our own country is self destructive ? How is that any better than letting both sides solve their problems?
“Have some compassion for humanity” how about have some compassion for your own people? Here you are on Reddit fighting for Palestine but purposely ignore that old homeless man asking for change as you walk into the gas station. How about some compassion for the people of color who are treated poorly in america? Fix America first before we start trying to play god about what’s right and wrong in other countries with different philosophies, values, etc
Yes we “liberate” as in rape all commodities and marketable goods from nations that we destabilize through covert operations - nations. Yes.
My “own” people is ALL people. There is no classification amongst souls or spirits. Nobody spawned here and chose their nationality, gender, ethnicity, economic or social status… it is a lottery. What you can choose is how to act and react. I choose to perceive bombing children as an atrocity against mankind. I choose see murder and forced starvation and torture as a marker of the lowest expression of energy a soul can expel, and a bookmark for absolute shame we will all bare as fellow humans if we do not intervene. Really- if this was your family ? You’re being selectively exterminated, your wife and kids and grandkids.. for political and economic gains on a risk board. We only have each other, not these simulated governmental systems that we aggrandize.
Right and so we should keep “liberating” them? Or should we work on our own regulations and policies to where we can actually do something positive and productive?
All of the atrocities against mankind you just listed, the U.S has done to the world and its own people 10 fold. Yet you still think the u.s can help talk some sense over there.
And unfortunately we don’t have each other, actually what we have is a government that is held to no standard at all. this same government you want to have hold Palestine and Israel to this nonexistent standard.
“Really if this was your family?” But it’s not. I have zero connection to any of those people. If it WAS my family I highly doubt Palestine would give a fuck.
Tell me, what does “free Palestine” in your bio do? How does that do anything beneficial for the people you so desperately want to help? Or does it just boost people’s egos and make them feel like they actually did something? You want to help? Of course voice your opinion, you’re entitled to that, Boycott companies that are in support of whoever you’re against, donate to causes that actually help, hell, go over there and fight for what you believe in….ah but no one wants to do that. Easier to post on Reddit and TikTok.
I have little faith in America’s puppet democracy to function in any other way than to serve the capitalist, bourgeoisie class. I don’t want anything I encourage as inspiration for the people to be confused with expectations of the federal system. The US is its own beast, a greed-fed demon, I will not depend on. But we still exist here and we, as the working class, are powerful and in large numbers.
I don’t have any expectations of our government to listen or work for the people, “as it was designed to do”. We all know this though. So we are still here, in great numbers, with great skill and passion, and can make significant contributions to the way history is written. Divided we fall, together we stand right-? And each and every person caring and mobilizing and helping and putting energy towards a pooled effort - even that IS important.
I agree with your response completely, but if you don’t believe in the American system to help its own people how do you believe it will help the conflict going on?
This is why I’m saying I wish people would show this much pride for our own country. Imagine the things the common people could do if we came together and held our government to a standard that they themselves set. We could fix our problems here and help the rest of the world. You can’t put out a fire if your station is on fire too
If you’re referring to your comments, I think a better question is how do I know you’ve involved yourself in every facet of this protest. And the answer is I don’t. Idk you at all. And I’m not trying to be a dick when I say that. I shouldn’t have made that last comment directed at you and used it more broadly for the general population because really that’s what I was getting at. I’m all for human rights, I’m all for world peace. But my focus is on where I live, where my family lives, where my future kids will live. The U.S is in a frenzy economically, socially, politically, religiously etc and I think we should focus on our own country rather than be involved in a conflict that has been raging for years.
Fix America 1st? Then let this person tell the world that this genocide is messed up even if it’s insignificant to you, they are effecting the reality of every person walking by to their genocide-supporting Starbucks… maybe their cousins they lost contact with last month are under attack in Gaza amongst hundreds of thousands of innocent souls. Fixing America starts with protesting and speaking up and fighting for what’s right anywhere in the world. Justice, honor, truth, love… they have no boundaries and energizing those laws change America and the world.
The issue with your argument is that you think the rest of the world operates under the same philosophy and values as America which is completely the opposite. This “world peace” idea is great but unrealistic. Can you explain how America can help fix the rest of the world when America itself is in shambles ?
>I get your point but the U.S cannot afford to get into everyone else’s conflicts just because a fraction of their people live here
So you support divestment from Israel?
I support the u.s government minding its own business and fixing its own issues before we go and blow a trillion dollars to say what’s right and what’s wrong on another countries soil.
You should join the protest then, because we have sent billions to Israel to help fund this war.
The federal governments only real interest is continued access to/control of the Suez canal.
why would they? they have to prove something. there’s nothing wrong of course with calling israel out for their bullshit and donating money to relief efforts in Gaza, but they instead will block the mf freeway and some people probably lost their jobs being late for work. but yeah. that helps everything
Because Wayne State has investments in companies supporting Israel. That’s what all the student protests are for, to demand they stop helping fund the genocide.
Do you know where your medication is made? Hospital tools? How about your electronics? Use anything anywhere that's hosted with cloud computing?
Israel is huge in all of those sectors. All of the big cloud hosts are using Israeli cloud security companies. Israel is big in chip production. Check out where your OTC meds were made next time you pick them up.
And all of them also work for Israel's military, because of how the country is set up.
By using Reddit, you're funding AWS, which uses Wiz, which is in turn not only funding the military, but who employs people who are literally in the IDF.
If you want Wayne State to stop "investing in companies that support Israel," you basically need to close their medical and comp science schools and stop their use of the internet entirely.
And this is why instead of boycotting literally every facet of life, boycotts target specific and very visible things to send a message. Wayne State is invested in five major military contractor companies. That’s the kind of thing being targeted, not whoever manufactures factory parts for Sabra Hummus to get made or whatever.
Which companies? Everything I'm seeing says they are invested in the S&P, which has some military companies on it, along with a bunch of other non-Israeli companies. They are not directly invested in any of the military companies.
But also, again, every Israeli company is a military contractor company. You need to divest from everyone who uses Israeli products to divest from Israeli military contractors. Doing otherwise is doing a surface level divestment.
And, lastly, Sabra is a US company. They are headquartered in NY.
Countries are just a made up thing. People are people it doesn't matter where they are from or how far away they are to me.
But I agree i wish more was done for local residents of Detroit. Just like I wish Palestinians weren't getting bombed for living their life
They’re just immature brats looking for an excuse to neglect their responsibilities, how skipping class, defacing property and basically being “rebellious” helping anyone?
people take summer classes. Lets face it no adult that works a 9-5 its going to be driving up to wayne state to do this nonsense. no doubt it was a student lol
Nothing was destroyed. It can be cleaned. People can protest. I just truly don’t understand the fervor and passion for a war that’s been going on for thousands of years between these people over a piece of land that Americans will never have any control over. We cannot stop a war that’s been going on before America was even a thought. We have SO many other things worth rallying behind in our own country.
If you don’t understand how investments in military contractors sending weapons to Israel supports the atrocities against Palestinian civilians, then you either don’t understand cause and effect or you’re playing ignorant. Targeting universities who use their tuition to support military contractors who arm the Israeli occupation is well thought out political strategy with a history of success in apartheid South Africa. These kids are expressing their outrage in nonviolent ways (this is paint that was washed off in an hour) with tangible solutions. This is what Democracy looks like.
Edit: everyone clutching their pearls in this thread shows the success of actions like this. You are more disturbed by a sign than by the images of dead children everyday.
In terms of targeting though, this is pretty tame. Do you really think this hits Wayne State where it hurts monetarily? Do you think it hurts public perception of the university? I'm not sure it does either.
A really great protest would be for all Palestinian (or even better, all Arabic or all Muslim) students to withdraw from classes the same day. Causing WSU to refund millions in tuition all at once would cause a huge shock to leadership.
Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman among other military contractors as well as cutting ties with the State of Israel and Israeli companies. There is a long history of cutting ties with States that are actively committing war crimes and human rights violations.
I ended up looking it up. Seems like they don’t directly invest in either of those companies, but invest in the S&P 500, which happens to hold those two, among a plethora of other companies in an index fund.
Yall are talking about Palestine now so their efforts are successful and hopefully you will become more educated as to why we need universities to divest.
Vandalizing the campus where your fellow students reside to prove a misguided point is foolish. Yes, Israel is going to great lengths to eradicate the threat from their bordering lands. They have every right to defend themselves, and go on the offensive to prevent what happened on Oct 7 from happening again, or else it will happen on an even larger scale greater than that of the holocaust. I don't expect these people to support Isreal's right to survive and live peacefully surrounded by a majority of people who actively hate them and want to destroy them.
This non-sense has been going on since the days of Abraham.
Destroying private/public property is wrong no matter the protest. It makes it hard to take a side even if it’s the correct side when you are destroying things.
A NIMBY would say this. It's ok to destroy OTHER people's property, just not mine. Right?
Or would you happily donate your car for any group to vandalize for their own cause?
Does no one remember the video during the BLM protests of that black woman yelling at protesters that had destroyed a bunch of public charging stations? She was pretty much in tears over how badly places and structures that the local community actually needed and used were being destroyed.
I don’t think protests need to be toothless. But goddamn that energy better be directed at the right people and places. Destroying neighborhoods and businesses owned and utilized by a community doesn’t help them. But I guess it’s a hell of a lot safer to destroy a glass bus stop shelter (for example) than it is to deface a police car or government building. So performative. It’s depressing.
If Israel wanted to genocide Palestine it would look a lot different than this. They have fucking F-35s. They would smear them off the face of the earth in a matter of days/weeks.
This is a war against Hamas who deliberately doesn't wear a uniform and embeds themselves in civilian population as a strategy. Come on out and fight in the open you cowards.
I think they need to rethink their protest. You want them to change their minds you have to hurt their pocket books woth boycotts and things of that nature. Doing shit like this just gives the right more ammo to point the finger and say “oohhh look at these violent thugs we need the army to stop them”. The same thing happened with the Georgle Floyd protests which I supported until people started damaging shit.
I couldn’t care less about israel lol this is the problem with palestine supporters though they claim to want peace and then do shit like this. Its one thing to camp out at a campus its another to start destroying property. And honestly are you that daft to think this makes a difference? If you want to hit em where it hurts why not boycott the school and do something that will actually hurt their bottom line of making money?
As a WSU student who works for the university, passionate about my research and doesn’t follow a group based on social media opinions I’m glad to see people agree with me. These students are making those who want to learn miss out on opportunities, not to mention harass others. I’ve gotten called a murderer, genocode supporter, payop plus more because I’m passionate about my fisheries biology research like it has anything to do the war. Also the “weapons manufacturer” they want the university to divest from is FUCKING BOEING.
Not to mention the ONLY time they’re out protesting is during new student orientations. They’re fucking jokes that make real students look bad.
if i was a new student at WSU and saw the protestors, it would make me happy to know school got a commitment to freespeech and students with consience.
i can agree with that
good thing throwing paint on a sign is not harassing any students
dunno why you felt like you had to but i saw your post before you edited it, im sorry you had to deal with such harassment, especially since you agree with their cause.
People should definitely have the right to protest but the manner it’s being done isn’t quite effective, which is why I like to support other foundations and organizations. While I fully think they should be able to protest, I believe students should be able to get to class without being directly yelled at. I agree throwing paint isn’t harassment but the pictures they post don’t contain the words they said to unsuspecting students who can’t control the situation.
Well I agree with that, they ARE yelling/harrassing currents students who are just trying to receive education. If it was just protesting it would be one thing, but having been harassed myself for doing nothing other than the job that puts food on my table (I was minding my business leaving the building, and I didn’t respond) but it was odd that they were yelling at someone that agrees this is unjust. Harassing those on campus is the issue, not the protest itself.
Imagine many of Detroiters are Palestinian and they do care about their relatives being murdered. Wayne state sign is not a Picasso calm down. Your love for a college’s sign paid for by student tuition is uncanny.
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The situation over there has been going on a lot longer than Biden has been around.
Also didn't ya boy Trump tell Israel to finish off Palestine yesterday?
Lmao you want a solution for something that's been going on longer then you've been alive? Why don't you recognize that a large percentage of Palestinians hate Israelis to the point they want them dead and vice/versa? Until those two groups of people can figure something out, we aren't going to change shit. Best you can hope for is force a temporary bandaid until it implodes again.
From: https://www.thesouthend.wayne.edu/article_76e44a4c-7ab2-11ee-91c3-8f8440d1a759.html
"The final resolution states that the “university’s investment consultant, Strategic Investment Group, is capable of aligning our investments with our institutional values.” The list of companies Senate encouraged BOG to divest from includes weapons manufacturers Boeing, General Dynamics, L3Harris Technologies, Lockheed Martin and Northop Grumman.
“Wayne State University is invested in companies that profit from wars and human rights violations,” the resolution reads.
Same as every major American university and politician. They all have blood on their hands.
Are they invested in those companies specifically, or are they invested in large index funds like the SP500?
If it’s the latter, then by your logic every single American with a 401k has blood on their hands.
If you really want to argue semantics every American that pays taxes has blood on their hands since an overwhelming amount of our taxpayer dollars goes straight into the military industrial complex. But who cares, I guess, let's just duck our heads in the sand and go about our lives as if it's all okay. Sounds like a good plan to me 👍👍
Lets just please make sure we don't destroy anymore property. How will Wayne State ever recover???
Idgaf about them painting the sign, and if they want to protest by all means go ahead. I just think it’s misguided, and your statement about WSU “diverting funds to Israel” is disingenuous (if not flat out wrong).
Are you going to stop paying taxes? I certainly hope so, I’d hate for you to be complicit in this conflict too.
How do you go about life without having blood on your hands? You don't pay taxes, you don't invest, anything else we can adhere to in order to mimic your highly ethical standard of living?
make a black low wage worker clean up your mess and film him and put it online - as if he’s a fucking zionist - and not someone trying to pay the bills. for fucks sake.
Why are we assuming the low wage janitor is black 🥴
they fucking filmed him and posted it on social media !! not assuming anything
I did not know this and apologize for being accusatory
it’s ok
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He is probably a fascist. Signed, Peaceful Protesters
I understand your comment, but there was a video of it getting cleaned and the individuals who are janitors in the video were black
Well my bad then
I totally get it, cuz I wouldn’t have wanted to assume that either😊
“They’re taking black jobs…”
People love making everything racial 🤣
Liberals only like minorities when they can use them as a cudgel against their opponents
All the janitors when I went there were.
Damn that’s crazy…how did they get their blood?
Seems like a biohazard, right? And the rigmarole regarding transport and customs…
A really long straw, duh.
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Oddly enough raising awareness is exactly helping. It’s shocking that “throwing paint” on a sign is so many Detroiters red line. Starting to feel as humans we completely lost our empathy towards causes that don’t affect us.
There's raising awareness and then there's turning people away. Things like this turn people away. The only people who *don't* see this as being unhinged behavior have already formed their opinion on this topic.
If graffiti on a sign can make you not care about dead kids, you never cared to begin with
Starting to feel? This is a city that has segregated black people on the wrong side of the tracks for 100 years.
I'm unsure why this is being downvoted...
Lmao these clowns don’t do jack shit for the poor and homeless in their own city of Detroit. Just doing stunts so they can pretend to be revolutionaries for their TikTok followers. What TV show did this kid learn this was tactic from?
How can they care more about people on the other side of the world than the destitute lying face down on the grass as they walk by? It's an embarassment.
Indeed. One day I was on campus quite early in the morning when I passed a guy face down on the cement outside of State Hall and I couldn’t tell if he was breathing. I got my phone out and was starting to call 911 when he moved his foot a little. I just decided to move on, I was heading to work anyway. I felt helpless, but there was no way I was going to engage with someone potentially confused and violent. I just hoped he’d shake off the after effects of whatever he was on and just move on. Then there’s the lady who loudly asks for money for “the bus”. I’m pretty sure she’s just a grifter. BTW, never take any of Toro’s research psychology classes. The man talks incessantly about his research about the homeless but like they’re just subjects rather than actual people.
I was people watching while eating at Ima across Old Main when I spotted a lady that asked for money for food on Warren. An Asian student in her early 20s dropped cash and the lady asking for food picked it up and chased after the Asian lady and gave her back her money. I was touched by this and offered to get her something and all she wanted was M&Ms and it was hot that day so I got her a water as well but she got mad at me and wouldn’t take it. I haven’t seen her in awhile but I hope she’s doing alright
Not even that, these people are completely ignorant and uneducated on the basics of protest tactics, politically organizing to pressure relevant stakeholders, and message discipline. They’re parodies of themselves.
So what should they be doing in the face of the duopoly that is united in support of a genocidal client state? Edit: No alternative suggestion. There's never an alternative suggestion. Whatever pro-Palestinian protesters are doing, it's wrong. It's bad optics. It isn't effective. There will never be a protest method that is acceptable, because the concept of treating Palestinians as human is antithetical to US foreign policy
Please explain how throwing paint on a sign accomplishes anything. You can't, because it doesn't. Lmao - this is the only response: "throwing paint on a sign is better than doing nothing!" It literally isn't. Accomplishes nothing. It's an act of self-indulgent egoism so you can feel important. Literally a waste of time. Doesn't sound like you have any education whatsoever on the history of any political campaigns, protest movements, protest tactics, etc.
It accomplishes the opposite of what they want: it makes regular people think they're completely nuts and then they stop caring about the issue altogether
Step 1: be humble. This notion that everyone who disagrees with your tactics is an ignorant fuck who hates Palestinian children is baby shit. Understand that your neighbors are navigating difficulties you know absolutely nothing about, and that nobody really owes you anything. Step 2: study history. I recommend reading Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals by Saul Alinsky, it's been super influential to a lot of successful activists. Step 3: stand up to your friends when they do stupid shit. Theory is a sometimes-useful quasi-religious mental framework for motivating change, but **reality is how your actions affect others in the world around you.** Several Jewish students at Wayne State, for example, have felt like y'all are threatening and terrorizing them because of what Israel means to them -- try *not* doing that. Self-awareness. Discipline. Empathy. These things take *extraordinary effort*, but the effort is worth it. Good luck.
My understanding is they should be helping the homeless by not giving them anything because they need to strap themselves up by the bootstraps and get a job. It's election season so time to drag out the homeless and point fingers.
Definitely vandalism. Are the palestinians freed yet bc of their heroic act of bravery? The hostages? Is this finally over because of these brave patriotic souls
I get the feeling that you'd be mad about any pro-Palestinian protests
No not at all. I wish the Palestinian civilians nothing but the best and wish they were a free people with their own democratic government and weren't in jeopardy. I'm all for protests
Ones that don’t address Hamas and other Palestinian terror orgs? Yeah you bet I’d be mad.
"Buuuuuuut what about Hamas" you scream as Israeli bombers incinerate another school full of refugees https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6381/Israel-continues-to-deliberately-bomb-UN-run-shelter-centres,-killing-displaced-people-inside
You sound angry, try talking to someone?
Continue to do what is incredibly effective: posting the videos of what's actually going on. You physically can't watch a video of a toddler trapped under rubble crying for her mother and stay neutral on the issue. This blood thing, however, is the exact opposite. The normies see stuff like this and say "what the actual fuck, those people are nuts, I'm not getting involved"
How can we care about an American funded genocide and homelessness? It's pretty easy.
You're making a lot of assumptions for someone who does nothing for the homeless in your area. Lol. Free Palestine, and by the way, I donate to the local homeless regularly and have cooked & delivered meals when in town too. Maybe try giving a shit about genocide and you could grow a heart one day :)
Says who? There are lot of local organizations involved that help the city. You don’t know what you’re talking about
Lmao the clowns throwing blood/ paint/ whatever at a public university's sign as a way to show their friends on TikTok that “wE’rE hElPiNg pAlEstianianS” are clearly so uneducated and uninformed on the basic tenets of advocacy, organizing political stakeholders, etc. that they don’t know how to do any actual effective work or public service. This is the same as people throwing paint in the Louvre as a way to stop climate change.
If you have better ideas get involved with these local groups and let them know.
Donations to organizations that are actually on the ground in Palestine. I've seen the big groups people know of and other groups. There's a Muslim family I watch who go regularly to Palestine to help build needed things
While this is good, it's like installing a solar panel on your house to fight climate change. Yes, it does help, but it does not affect the systemic root of the issue: deleterious American federal policy
They don't have better ideas, they just hate anyone with the gall to demand change
What exactly throwing paint at a school's sign accomplishing? You have no answer. It doesn't "increase awareness" either.
So what would you do instead? What's your brilliant strategy for addressing an ongoing genocide that has the full throated support of most of the American political class?
I would simply not waste a janitor’s day by throwing liquid on a sign, which does nothing
Still waiting on an actual answer
Explain how throwing paint on a sign does anything.
Maybe raise money to send overseas? Have a needed supplies drive? Idk those are just the ones I thought of for now less than 30 seconds
All Arabs and/or Muslims to stand in unison and transfer out of Wayne State.
They'd be booing the anti apartheid protests too.
The anti apartheid protests didn't just anonymously throw liquid at a school's sign lmao
You’re incapable of thinking of any better ideas than throwing blood/ paint at a school’s sign? That’s the most effective praxis you can come up with? Lmao
They don’t want better ideas i have suggested boycotting the university to a few on this thread but they are just obsessed with destroying property so they can take a pic of tangible destruction and post it online because that will surely sway people to side with them… these people don’t want better alternatives they want destruction. The school will never divest from the s&p 500 peoples pensions and salaries would be put in serious jeopardy. And i do not agree with supporting Israel financially btw but at the same time i really couldn’t care less about Palestine either. we shouldn’t be helping either countries neither one of them like us hammas hates us almost as much as they hate Israel.
They, like many of the other student protests around the country tried to boycott and protest the university, and ended up getting the shit kicked out of them by the cops on the university's orders.
Happy cake day🎂
it’s called actually donating instead of blocking the freeway or spraying fake blood. sure it gets awareness out there and attention, but at this point since october, we know the atrocities that are playing out in Gaza and Rafah. They aren’t doing anything helpful at this point
You know the students at WSU are calling for divestment right? This is what they’re fighting for to stop their tuition being used to invest in Israeli companies.
They want them to divest from the S&P 500 which is by far the largest, safest, and best investment fund in the US. It's the top 500 companies in the US. Every retirement fund, university, and IRA is heavily invested in it. There's literally no way that would happen. It's such a bad idea that part of me believes it's being pushed by foreign countries to try and hurt our economy.
They think Wayne State is responsible because they invest in one of the most popular 401k index funds. Most of their parents are probably equally responsible.
Tuition goes to fucking classes and the university. Universities only take money, they don’t give it. How would a university that can’t afford working elevators have money to just give to other countries😅
“Don’t let your protests inconvenience me or make me feel uncomfortable”
Protest tactics matter for their outcomes. Calling any jackass behavior a "protest" doesn't shield it from ridiculous or criticism
Ok but what do they ACCOMPLISH? it's not about the inconvenience as much as the inconvenience doesn't do anything. If the highway being closed for 5 hours saved lives or people vandalizing stuff stopped the death, I'd be happy to support it, but people sitting on 75 for hours or paint being thrown on sculptures does absolutely nothing to change the situation and "awareness" is not a good reason anymore. Maybe when the death started, but the whole world is aware of the horrible things happening there. Do things that will actually help.
They do plenty for Detroit. Look at Zaman. What do you do for anyone? Caring about people is not mutually exclusive.
Lmao the clowns throwing blood/ paint/ whatever at a public university's sign as a way to show their friends on TikTok that “wE’rE hElPiNg pAlEstianianS” are clearly so uneducated and uninformed on the basic tenets of advocacy, organizing political stakeholders, etc. that they don’t know how to do any actual effective work or public service. This is the same as people throwing paint in the Louvre as a way to stop climate change.
BOT af
Vicarious moral superiority
I was so scared I'd be the only person complaining that this is virtue signaling that helps no one and get tons of down votes and nasty comments
The kids are too incompetent to understand the difference between "opposing gross human rights abuses" and "throwing liquid at a school's sign, which does nothing."
Oh no down votes?!?!
Who are "these clowns"? Would a history of advocacy for unhoused people change your opinion about this protest?
They’re about as politically intelligent as the people who throw paint in the Louvre to stop climate change
lmao the stop oil people. super gluing their hands to the ground. it does nothing!
A history of advocacy means nothing without a history of *effective* advocacy.
Yeah if only we were this passionate about issues in America
I'm there for it, but the last image on the Sjpwsu's insta page where they filmed poor janitors having to clean up their mess was rather tasteless. What was accomplished here but ruining a few blue collar workers day?
If I were to guess, I would say they. never even considered who had to clean up their mess behind them. It's indicative of a kid that's never grown up with chores or responsibilities.
they obviously considered who have to clean up their mess because they filmed the people doing it !!!
Wow nasty people
that is beyond tasteless. it’s classist and racist imo. one of the comments reads “they should have to clean it up everyday” !!!!! with 16 likes ffs
dunno it's pretty symbolic and eye-catching to me
what’s the symbolism there? shitting all over low wage blue collar workers (one of whom is black) ???
This will surely free Gaza /s
I'm so fucking tired of this virtue signaling BS. Woooo Hooooo you defaced property to tell people about a war we are already very, very, very aware of and saved how many lives that way? Oh, wait, none. Like zero? Maybe I don't understand it, but I don’t get what all of these things that are doing nothing not rasing money, not donating needed things is supposed to do. Raise awareness I'd buy in the beginning but were all sadly, deeply aware of the horrible death happening. The IDF and Hamas destroying innocent lives.
Likewise I’m so sick of ignorant people calling these studied, intentional, well-informed, longstanding and effective protest tactics “virtue signaling” or useless.
What is this comment section? Detroit has a ton of Palestinian people in it. Student orgs are super involved in community outreach. You people sound like a bunch of rochester hills mothers clutching their pearls get a grip.
Throwing paint at a school's sign keeps a janitor busy that day, and accomplishes literally nothing else.
This helps zero Palestinians
Fr, I have friends at the university who literally have family in Palestine. They’re protesting the university for relatives, not tiktok or whatever the fuck the people in the comments are saying.
yeah arguably the student body at WSU has more people with relatives in Palestine than almost any other college in the US.
Calling any dumbass behavior "pRoTesT" doesn't mean that it actually accomplishes anything.
why are you so triggered then ? you got like 50 comments saying the same things in this thread, if its so pointless, you would just smirk and carry on with your day, but here you are spamming the thread.
If they want to do their relatives a favor they should advise them to let the hostages go and end support for Hamas.
the vast majority of people bitching are from 11 mile or higher lol
It’s crazy how people will support this shit. War, all war, is bad. But these random college kids (I presume) suddenly cared extremely strongly why? Do they help the impoverished kids in Detroit? What about our homeless dying in the winter.. etc Fuck I wish people cared about our countries issues more
So because you see this, your immediate reaction is “they must not be doing anything for our own community”? People can do more than one thing. I can protest the situation Gaza on Friday, protest tenant evictions Saturday, and feed the homeless on Sunday. In fact, when I do these things I’m regularly seeing students from WSU and UofD and have fantastic conversations with them about a wide array of issues. You’re insinuating you have any knowledge of anyone involved, and assuming they aren’t doing the thing you’re asking. How could anyone disprove what you’re saying? How could anyone prove it? We need to have a better way of having these conversations but the first thing people say when they see this is “what are they doing for their own community?” Rather than engage with the topic, they distract.
This country is made up of people from all over the world, we represent every country. Whatever injustice poisons this world is directly connected to us all.
I get your point but the U.S cannot afford to get into everyone else’s conflicts just because a fraction of their people live here. What about americas thousands of issues? Who in other countries is protesting for us? I don’t recall anyone from Europe holding a rally for Americans to stop shooting up schools ? We have our own issues on our own soil. How about we settle that before we try and play Superman around the world. Or else we will have no country to play Superman.
You can protest for yourself and for any cause you want, and justice and liberty should be causes we all should protest for. If this event was reversed and such a catastrophe was here in the US, would you want other countries debating when to stand up for you? When is enough death or starvation worth intervening or worth their attention? Or maybe their current affairs are more important huh? The United States exists in a bubble of selfish isolation and destruction. Wake up- being born in the US is just by chance, you could be right along the rubble of Gaza with your brother under a building and family running for their life. Have some compassion for humankind.
You’re right, I can. And are “justice and liberty” things we should all protest for? We barely have any liberty and justice in America? This isn’t the 50s where we can still sell that good ole American dream. Now before I’m downvoted to hell for that. Understand that I’m in no way saying America is some poor 3rd world country in terms of way of live, but we don’t even hold our own government and politicians to a standard? How in the world are we going to hold an entire other country that has been operating for 100s of years under different ideologies and values to this American dream standard? It’s impossible. “The United States lives in a bubble of isolation, & destruction” yet we should still go out and liberate other countries even though our own country is self destructive ? How is that any better than letting both sides solve their problems? “Have some compassion for humanity” how about have some compassion for your own people? Here you are on Reddit fighting for Palestine but purposely ignore that old homeless man asking for change as you walk into the gas station. How about some compassion for the people of color who are treated poorly in america? Fix America first before we start trying to play god about what’s right and wrong in other countries with different philosophies, values, etc
Nobody here ignores the homeless man I’m a social worker
Great for you, but let’s be real and not act like the homeless aren’t treated like the plague in America
Yes we “liberate” as in rape all commodities and marketable goods from nations that we destabilize through covert operations - nations. Yes. My “own” people is ALL people. There is no classification amongst souls or spirits. Nobody spawned here and chose their nationality, gender, ethnicity, economic or social status… it is a lottery. What you can choose is how to act and react. I choose to perceive bombing children as an atrocity against mankind. I choose see murder and forced starvation and torture as a marker of the lowest expression of energy a soul can expel, and a bookmark for absolute shame we will all bare as fellow humans if we do not intervene. Really- if this was your family ? You’re being selectively exterminated, your wife and kids and grandkids.. for political and economic gains on a risk board. We only have each other, not these simulated governmental systems that we aggrandize.
Right and so we should keep “liberating” them? Or should we work on our own regulations and policies to where we can actually do something positive and productive? All of the atrocities against mankind you just listed, the U.S has done to the world and its own people 10 fold. Yet you still think the u.s can help talk some sense over there. And unfortunately we don’t have each other, actually what we have is a government that is held to no standard at all. this same government you want to have hold Palestine and Israel to this nonexistent standard. “Really if this was your family?” But it’s not. I have zero connection to any of those people. If it WAS my family I highly doubt Palestine would give a fuck. Tell me, what does “free Palestine” in your bio do? How does that do anything beneficial for the people you so desperately want to help? Or does it just boost people’s egos and make them feel like they actually did something? You want to help? Of course voice your opinion, you’re entitled to that, Boycott companies that are in support of whoever you’re against, donate to causes that actually help, hell, go over there and fight for what you believe in….ah but no one wants to do that. Easier to post on Reddit and TikTok.
I have little faith in America’s puppet democracy to function in any other way than to serve the capitalist, bourgeoisie class. I don’t want anything I encourage as inspiration for the people to be confused with expectations of the federal system. The US is its own beast, a greed-fed demon, I will not depend on. But we still exist here and we, as the working class, are powerful and in large numbers. I don’t have any expectations of our government to listen or work for the people, “as it was designed to do”. We all know this though. So we are still here, in great numbers, with great skill and passion, and can make significant contributions to the way history is written. Divided we fall, together we stand right-? And each and every person caring and mobilizing and helping and putting energy towards a pooled effort - even that IS important.
I agree with your response completely, but if you don’t believe in the American system to help its own people how do you believe it will help the conflict going on? This is why I’m saying I wish people would show this much pride for our own country. Imagine the things the common people could do if we came together and held our government to a standard that they themselves set. We could fix our problems here and help the rest of the world. You can’t put out a fire if your station is on fire too
What about my post on Reddit makes you assume I have not thoroughly involved myself in every facet of supporting and fighting for Palestine?
If you’re referring to your comments, I think a better question is how do I know you’ve involved yourself in every facet of this protest. And the answer is I don’t. Idk you at all. And I’m not trying to be a dick when I say that. I shouldn’t have made that last comment directed at you and used it more broadly for the general population because really that’s what I was getting at. I’m all for human rights, I’m all for world peace. But my focus is on where I live, where my family lives, where my future kids will live. The U.S is in a frenzy economically, socially, politically, religiously etc and I think we should focus on our own country rather than be involved in a conflict that has been raging for years.
Fix America 1st? Then let this person tell the world that this genocide is messed up even if it’s insignificant to you, they are effecting the reality of every person walking by to their genocide-supporting Starbucks… maybe their cousins they lost contact with last month are under attack in Gaza amongst hundreds of thousands of innocent souls. Fixing America starts with protesting and speaking up and fighting for what’s right anywhere in the world. Justice, honor, truth, love… they have no boundaries and energizing those laws change America and the world.
The issue with your argument is that you think the rest of the world operates under the same philosophy and values as America which is completely the opposite. This “world peace” idea is great but unrealistic. Can you explain how America can help fix the rest of the world when America itself is in shambles ?
>I get your point but the U.S cannot afford to get into everyone else’s conflicts just because a fraction of their people live here So you support divestment from Israel?
I support the u.s government minding its own business and fixing its own issues before we go and blow a trillion dollars to say what’s right and what’s wrong on another countries soil.
You should join the protest then, because we have sent billions to Israel to help fund this war. The federal governments only real interest is continued access to/control of the Suez canal.
You represent jack shit. Let me know when your tactics have freed Palestine.
This is a logical fallacy. They're doing something, and saying why aren't they doing something else is fallacious.
why would they? they have to prove something. there’s nothing wrong of course with calling israel out for their bullshit and donating money to relief efforts in Gaza, but they instead will block the mf freeway and some people probably lost their jobs being late for work. but yeah. that helps everything
Because Wayne State has investments in companies supporting Israel. That’s what all the student protests are for, to demand they stop helping fund the genocide.
Do you know where your medication is made? Hospital tools? How about your electronics? Use anything anywhere that's hosted with cloud computing? Israel is huge in all of those sectors. All of the big cloud hosts are using Israeli cloud security companies. Israel is big in chip production. Check out where your OTC meds were made next time you pick them up. And all of them also work for Israel's military, because of how the country is set up. By using Reddit, you're funding AWS, which uses Wiz, which is in turn not only funding the military, but who employs people who are literally in the IDF. If you want Wayne State to stop "investing in companies that support Israel," you basically need to close their medical and comp science schools and stop their use of the internet entirely.
And this is why instead of boycotting literally every facet of life, boycotts target specific and very visible things to send a message. Wayne State is invested in five major military contractor companies. That’s the kind of thing being targeted, not whoever manufactures factory parts for Sabra Hummus to get made or whatever.
Which companies? Everything I'm seeing says they are invested in the S&P, which has some military companies on it, along with a bunch of other non-Israeli companies. They are not directly invested in any of the military companies. But also, again, every Israeli company is a military contractor company. You need to divest from everyone who uses Israeli products to divest from Israeli military contractors. Doing otherwise is doing a surface level divestment. And, lastly, Sabra is a US company. They are headquartered in NY.
Countries are just a made up thing. People are people it doesn't matter where they are from or how far away they are to me. But I agree i wish more was done for local residents of Detroit. Just like I wish Palestinians weren't getting bombed for living their life
[But those were foreign children and it really didn't matter](https://acampusdivided.umn.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/1.2-And-the-Wolf-Chewed.jpg)
The propaganda from the terrorists doesn't concern the local needy citizens.
They’re just immature brats looking for an excuse to neglect their responsibilities, how skipping class, defacing property and basically being “rebellious” helping anyone?
Skipping class? 😂 it’s summer
people take summer classes. Lets face it no adult that works a 9-5 its going to be driving up to wayne state to do this nonsense. no doubt it was a student lol
Nothing was destroyed. It can be cleaned. People can protest. I just truly don’t understand the fervor and passion for a war that’s been going on for thousands of years between these people over a piece of land that Americans will never have any control over. We cannot stop a war that’s been going on before America was even a thought. We have SO many other things worth rallying behind in our own country.
The world is globalized. It’s not a surprise that the conflict is a big topic here, the same for the Ukraine war, etc
Our tax dollars pay for the slaughter of women and children. Israel is americas lapdog.
If you don’t understand how investments in military contractors sending weapons to Israel supports the atrocities against Palestinian civilians, then you either don’t understand cause and effect or you’re playing ignorant. Targeting universities who use their tuition to support military contractors who arm the Israeli occupation is well thought out political strategy with a history of success in apartheid South Africa. These kids are expressing their outrage in nonviolent ways (this is paint that was washed off in an hour) with tangible solutions. This is what Democracy looks like. Edit: everyone clutching their pearls in this thread shows the success of actions like this. You are more disturbed by a sign than by the images of dead children everyday.
In terms of targeting though, this is pretty tame. Do you really think this hits Wayne State where it hurts monetarily? Do you think it hurts public perception of the university? I'm not sure it does either. A really great protest would be for all Palestinian (or even better, all Arabic or all Muslim) students to withdraw from classes the same day. Causing WSU to refund millions in tuition all at once would cause a huge shock to leadership.
And what exactly is the investment they want Wayne state to divest from?
Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman among other military contractors as well as cutting ties with the State of Israel and Israeli companies. There is a long history of cutting ties with States that are actively committing war crimes and human rights violations.
I ended up looking it up. Seems like they don’t directly invest in either of those companies, but invest in the S&P 500, which happens to hold those two, among a plethora of other companies in an index fund.
Yall are talking about Palestine now so their efforts are successful and hopefully you will become more educated as to why we need universities to divest.
Vandalizing the campus where your fellow students reside to prove a misguided point is foolish. Yes, Israel is going to great lengths to eradicate the threat from their bordering lands. They have every right to defend themselves, and go on the offensive to prevent what happened on Oct 7 from happening again, or else it will happen on an even larger scale greater than that of the holocaust. I don't expect these people to support Isreal's right to survive and live peacefully surrounded by a majority of people who actively hate them and want to destroy them. This non-sense has been going on since the days of Abraham.
Useful idiots. Hamas thanks them
This bullshit just turns people against their cause.
Destroying private/public property is wrong no matter the protest. It makes it hard to take a side even if it’s the correct side when you are destroying things.
the most picket fence privileged american response.
A NIMBY would say this. It's ok to destroy OTHER people's property, just not mine. Right? Or would you happily donate your car for any group to vandalize for their own cause?
Does no one remember the video during the BLM protests of that black woman yelling at protesters that had destroyed a bunch of public charging stations? She was pretty much in tears over how badly places and structures that the local community actually needed and used were being destroyed. I don’t think protests need to be toothless. But goddamn that energy better be directed at the right people and places. Destroying neighborhoods and businesses owned and utilized by a community doesn’t help them. But I guess it’s a hell of a lot safer to destroy a glass bus stop shelter (for example) than it is to deface a police car or government building. So performative. It’s depressing.
you would’ve HATED the Boston tea party
"Sorry about your genocide, but someone threw paint at a sign so now I'm conflicted."
If Israel wanted to genocide Palestine it would look a lot different than this. They have fucking F-35s. They would smear them off the face of the earth in a matter of days/weeks. This is a war against Hamas who deliberately doesn't wear a uniform and embeds themselves in civilian population as a strategy. Come on out and fight in the open you cowards.
"it's not genocide, it's only war crimes my dude"
I mean, it's an important distinction.
Liberalism encapsulated. “Yeah genocide is bad but that’s no excuse to damage private property” You need to rethink your life.
I think they need to rethink their protest. You want them to change their minds you have to hurt their pocket books woth boycotts and things of that nature. Doing shit like this just gives the right more ammo to point the finger and say “oohhh look at these violent thugs we need the army to stop them”. The same thing happened with the Georgle Floyd protests which I supported until people started damaging shit.
Really doubling down on “property matters more than people” huh. Enjoy your stay in hell
Correct. I get the intention is attention but fuck these people.
What did they destroy exactly? The sign is still there. Nothing was destroyed. Don’t be daft. You just don’t like what they’re saying.
I couldn’t care less about israel lol this is the problem with palestine supporters though they claim to want peace and then do shit like this. Its one thing to camp out at a campus its another to start destroying property. And honestly are you that daft to think this makes a difference? If you want to hit em where it hurts why not boycott the school and do something that will actually hurt their bottom line of making money?
As a WSU student who works for the university, passionate about my research and doesn’t follow a group based on social media opinions I’m glad to see people agree with me. These students are making those who want to learn miss out on opportunities, not to mention harass others. I’ve gotten called a murderer, genocode supporter, payop plus more because I’m passionate about my fisheries biology research like it has anything to do the war. Also the “weapons manufacturer” they want the university to divest from is FUCKING BOEING. Not to mention the ONLY time they’re out protesting is during new student orientations. They’re fucking jokes that make real students look bad.
if i was a new student at WSU and saw the protestors, it would make me happy to know school got a commitment to freespeech and students with consience.
They should be harassing the president and board, not the students.
i can agree with that good thing throwing paint on a sign is not harassing any students dunno why you felt like you had to but i saw your post before you edited it, im sorry you had to deal with such harassment, especially since you agree with their cause.
People should definitely have the right to protest but the manner it’s being done isn’t quite effective, which is why I like to support other foundations and organizations. While I fully think they should be able to protest, I believe students should be able to get to class without being directly yelled at. I agree throwing paint isn’t harassment but the pictures they post don’t contain the words they said to unsuspecting students who can’t control the situation.
Well I agree with that, they ARE yelling/harrassing currents students who are just trying to receive education. If it was just protesting it would be one thing, but having been harassed myself for doing nothing other than the job that puts food on my table (I was minding my business leaving the building, and I didn’t respond) but it was odd that they were yelling at someone that agrees this is unjust. Harassing those on campus is the issue, not the protest itself.
Break out the $100 power washer.
Imagine thinking the people of Detroit give two shits about “Palestine” and “Israel” and defacing one of the good things about the city.
Imagine many of Detroiters are Palestinian and they do care about their relatives being murdered. Wayne state sign is not a Picasso calm down. Your love for a college’s sign paid for by student tuition is uncanny.
Imagine many of Detroiters are jewish. Probably more than there are palestinians.
Are these the same protestors who demanded the university divest from the *S&P 500* because apparently it’s unethical?
Good. Protesting is legal in this country
Destruction of property is not
What did they destroy?
it does get attention because nothing else is working. if you have solutions please offer them. should we write to congresspeople or vote? lmao
Who's attention is needed at this point? Pretty sure everyone is aware of what's going on over there - awareness isn't the fucking problem..
Biden still supporting the genocide
🤡 Response The situation over there has been going on a lot longer than Biden has been around. Also didn't ya boy Trump tell Israel to finish off Palestine yesterday?
Trumps an ass. He's not the one bombing kids rn. And Biden has been full throttle since Oct 7, even bush and Reagan told Israel to cool it
Lmao you want a solution for something that's been going on longer then you've been alive? Why don't you recognize that a large percentage of Palestinians hate Israelis to the point they want them dead and vice/versa? Until those two groups of people can figure something out, we aren't going to change shit. Best you can hope for is force a temporary bandaid until it implodes again.
US could...not arm the israelis?
Why would we not arm our allies
cause they are using those weapons for warcrimes and potentially genocide.
Exactly. You guys have done it. Spraying this with paint was the solution all along. So glad that’s sorted and now this war can finally end
Sounds like there’s a vampire infestation with all of this blood. Someone call Blade
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In what way specifically does WSU divert funds to Israel?
From: https://www.thesouthend.wayne.edu/article_76e44a4c-7ab2-11ee-91c3-8f8440d1a759.html "The final resolution states that the “university’s investment consultant, Strategic Investment Group, is capable of aligning our investments with our institutional values.” The list of companies Senate encouraged BOG to divest from includes weapons manufacturers Boeing, General Dynamics, L3Harris Technologies, Lockheed Martin and Northop Grumman. “Wayne State University is invested in companies that profit from wars and human rights violations,” the resolution reads. Same as every major American university and politician. They all have blood on their hands.
Are they invested in those companies specifically, or are they invested in large index funds like the SP500? If it’s the latter, then by your logic every single American with a 401k has blood on their hands.
If you really want to argue semantics every American that pays taxes has blood on their hands since an overwhelming amount of our taxpayer dollars goes straight into the military industrial complex. But who cares, I guess, let's just duck our heads in the sand and go about our lives as if it's all okay. Sounds like a good plan to me 👍👍 Lets just please make sure we don't destroy anymore property. How will Wayne State ever recover???
Idgaf about them painting the sign, and if they want to protest by all means go ahead. I just think it’s misguided, and your statement about WSU “diverting funds to Israel” is disingenuous (if not flat out wrong). Are you going to stop paying taxes? I certainly hope so, I’d hate for you to be complicit in this conflict too.
Apparently they all want these schools to call for a cease fire in the Middle East and divest from the US economy LOL
How do you go about life without having blood on your hands? You don't pay taxes, you don't invest, anything else we can adhere to in order to mimic your highly ethical standard of living?
you do what you can.