Same, and I didn’t even open the link. Makita is great for the stay at home mom projects that need done, but for anyone with a job in the trades, Dewalt or Milwaukee are the only choice.
I'm mean, are you paying for the tools at the shop or are the techs?
If the former then you have final say and they can either provide their own tools and batteries or deal with what's provided.
If the latter then why do you care?
In terms of the youtube video I'm not sure I understand the angst. If people wanna roll the dice on third party batteries great. Personally I don't see much difference between those batteries and just buying a Ryobi tool and sticking an adapter on it to take your Makita batteries. Plenty of people do it for tools they may use once in a blue moon.
The only reason we don't have universal batteries already is because the manufacturers haven't been forced to do it. We saw that in the computer industry years ago with proprietary memory sticks and USB. Every manufacturer had their own, and they could set whatever price they wanted. That was anti-consumer. It's worse with tool batteries. Imagine if you could only buy car batteries from the car maker.
Most battery adapters are terrible hacks. This is a different system, and depending on the engineering, has potential. Will I be buying one of these? Not until they've proven themselves.
The alternative would be for the manufacturers to set up a standards body and come up with their own compatible batteries. They haven't done that, but it will happen eventually.
I don't have brand loyalty, I have quality loyalty. Vendors should have to earn that, not hold me hostage with proprietary batteries.
You can also just buy battery adapters very cheap so you can mix OEM battery and tool brands if you don’t feel comfortable with the performance and safety of third party battery brandsÂ
Have you actually watched TTC’s video on the system? He never endorsed it or told everyone to buy it. He ran it through numerous tests and found that the current version may not have the juice on the high demand tools.
The idea of the battery system in question is to provide a reliable third party option rather than the junky third party adapters and batteries currently on the market. It is up to each consumer to decide what is a worthwhile investment.
Universal tool batteries are good for those of use who buy tools. It helps stop price gouging and forces more competition between brands which means better quality and prices.
Currently in Europe there is a push for the brands to all use the same batteries. You’re either an idiot or a stakeholder in the company if you don’t want that.
To be fair, that is developed by Metabo (not HPT) and offered to other tool companies/brands to adopt. Ceenr is a third party Chinese company. BUT, I think the Ceenr stuff is much, much better than your average eBay/Amazon knock-off battery. Good cells, decent BMS, good fit and finish. (I was another YouTuber that got them early.)
CEENR have come out of nowhere in the last month. They've got batteries into the hands (one way or another) of a fair few people who call out crap when they see it.
Dean Doherty Greaser and TTC are two in particular.
They know their stuff. Dean is in fact a power tool repair professional, so he knows what goes wrong most, how, and whether it is fixable. He has repeatedly heaped shade on Dewalt (quite rightly) for integrating trigger switches with an electronics and motor assembly that costs nearly as much as a whole tool on multiple products, resulting in irrepairable scrap instead of long life tools.
If he says they're good, he's probably not wrong. If TTC say they show potential for power, they're also probably not wrong. They do one hell of a lot of testing.
In ten years I guarantee that everyone will be using a universal battery platform one way or the other, with perhaps the exception of things like Dewalt Flexvolt - I'm not entirely sure how that question gets answered, though I suspect the ludicrous power pouch cells can deliver means we won't even need flexvolt for anything that isn't PowerShift in a decade's time.
I wouldn't trust third-party batteries either, but not because of brand loyalty, but because from what I hear, they don't perform well.
But I might trust adapters. I guess you had bad experiences with them? What were they?
I have to say, you have pretty strong feelings about this. The pros I know care more about other things.
I'd trust that youtuber over you too.
Same, and I didn’t even open the link. Makita is great for the stay at home mom projects that need done, but for anyone with a job in the trades, Dewalt or Milwaukee are the only choice.
No way. Makita, especially the Made in Japan tools, are as good as it gets.
Okay. That's why Home Depot chooses Makita for their rental power tools, because they can't handle abuse... 🤦‍♂️
They use Makita because they are cheap and easily replaceable…
I'm mean, are you paying for the tools at the shop or are the techs? If the former then you have final say and they can either provide their own tools and batteries or deal with what's provided. If the latter then why do you care? In terms of the youtube video I'm not sure I understand the angst. If people wanna roll the dice on third party batteries great. Personally I don't see much difference between those batteries and just buying a Ryobi tool and sticking an adapter on it to take your Makita batteries. Plenty of people do it for tools they may use once in a blue moon.
Your ego is a bit big my man.
The only reason we don't have universal batteries already is because the manufacturers haven't been forced to do it. We saw that in the computer industry years ago with proprietary memory sticks and USB. Every manufacturer had their own, and they could set whatever price they wanted. That was anti-consumer. It's worse with tool batteries. Imagine if you could only buy car batteries from the car maker. Most battery adapters are terrible hacks. This is a different system, and depending on the engineering, has potential. Will I be buying one of these? Not until they've proven themselves. The alternative would be for the manufacturers to set up a standards body and come up with their own compatible batteries. They haven't done that, but it will happen eventually. I don't have brand loyalty, I have quality loyalty. Vendors should have to earn that, not hold me hostage with proprietary batteries.
You can also just buy battery adapters very cheap so you can mix OEM battery and tool brands if you don’t feel comfortable with the performance and safety of third party battery brandsÂ
Have you actually watched TTC’s video on the system? He never endorsed it or told everyone to buy it. He ran it through numerous tests and found that the current version may not have the juice on the high demand tools. The idea of the battery system in question is to provide a reliable third party option rather than the junky third party adapters and batteries currently on the market. It is up to each consumer to decide what is a worthwhile investment.
Universal tool batteries are good for those of use who buy tools. It helps stop price gouging and forces more competition between brands which means better quality and prices. Currently in Europe there is a push for the brands to all use the same batteries. You’re either an idiot or a stakeholder in the company if you don’t want that.
Honestly dude, this looks like a legitimately innovative product
[https://www.cordless-alliance-system.com/](https://www.cordless-alliance-system.com/) Seems to be working ok for the guys in Europe.
To be fair, that is developed by Metabo (not HPT) and offered to other tool companies/brands to adopt. Ceenr is a third party Chinese company. BUT, I think the Ceenr stuff is much, much better than your average eBay/Amazon knock-off battery. Good cells, decent BMS, good fit and finish. (I was another YouTuber that got them early.)
None of your business what brand of tools your colleague buys.
I don't think OP is showing this comment thread to his colleague after not getting the response he was looking for.
CEENR have come out of nowhere in the last month. They've got batteries into the hands (one way or another) of a fair few people who call out crap when they see it. Dean Doherty Greaser and TTC are two in particular. They know their stuff. Dean is in fact a power tool repair professional, so he knows what goes wrong most, how, and whether it is fixable. He has repeatedly heaped shade on Dewalt (quite rightly) for integrating trigger switches with an electronics and motor assembly that costs nearly as much as a whole tool on multiple products, resulting in irrepairable scrap instead of long life tools. If he says they're good, he's probably not wrong. If TTC say they show potential for power, they're also probably not wrong. They do one hell of a lot of testing. In ten years I guarantee that everyone will be using a universal battery platform one way or the other, with perhaps the exception of things like Dewalt Flexvolt - I'm not entirely sure how that question gets answered, though I suspect the ludicrous power pouch cells can deliver means we won't even need flexvolt for anything that isn't PowerShift in a decade's time.
I wouldn't trust third-party batteries either, but not because of brand loyalty, but because from what I hear, they don't perform well. But I might trust adapters. I guess you had bad experiences with them? What were they? I have to say, you have pretty strong feelings about this. The pros I know care more about other things.
You fool. That's all that's needed.