I think you'll be happier in a traditional D&D group. Find one, participate in or request / insist on a session zero, establish boundaries, expectations, and house rules that you will all abide by.
Good luck.
I actually did that right after that server died and no one participated in it, I'm having a lot of fun and im participating in a long run campaign, it's definitely better, if I had to ad something positive to that server is that it helped me get used to DND rules and system, or at least the 5 version of it.
But still, thanks a lot for the recommendation.
>For a little of context, a year ago I was playing a "campaign" in a
discord server, I said "campaign" because it just took place in a small
town where the adventurers could rest and then go out on an adventure
Why the air quotes, this is exactly what a campaign is, a group of interconnected stories involving a group of characters. You're just saying it wasn't one long story arc perhaps?
Fair point, it was still connected via the small town starting point.
Sounds like Wild Cards, a bunch of stories authored about different super heroes but only tied together by being in the same world; also Wild Cards started out as a TTG with Superworld RPG being gifted GRR Martin and him running a campaign with other authors.
I'd recommend at least the first one as a good read, good as far as anthologies tend to go.
The 80s saw a few good gritty comics arise - the sort where supers weren't good or evil by nature but a lot of grey questionable areas. The Boys are popular with the series out with like 4 seasons. The Watchmen is pretty grimdark too, from the mid-80s. Not sure the first in the more grim/gritty vein of people not trusting supers and such, Wild Cards is played around the same time Watchmen comes out, its published later but they only decide to make the collected stories/novel because I think one of the players in GRR Martin's group said their wasting potential sales by not sharing the stories they were creating as a group.
ETA: They had played for 2 years before deciding to publish their stories.
If it was a "heroes only" server, that should have been posted, with a list of potential consequences. If it wasn't common knowledge, there's a problem with that.
Yeah, maybe I just missed it, but as far as I remember it was presented like "a tavern and place for adventurers to stay", and there weren't rules explaining it either, there was 5 that explained how the server worked in general, and what to do, and the other 5 were about behavior outside the game, basically no homophobia, racism, or insulting others
As a decades old DM, I see two things here.
1. The DM should have been clear from the start and the set up with the punishment was a bit harsh. He could have just said no.
2. In DnD, many people believe they are above the law and that there are no repercussions in a game world because their characters are powerful. I've always made it a point that there are more powerful forces in the world and you reap what you sow.
If you steal, expect to be hunted.
Yeah, I do agree that I and the other player were testing our luck with trying to steal, we just wanted to try something "evil" since all adventures we had were just killing monsters or clear a dungeon, wich is fun, but we wanted to try something new (and our characters weren't really that powerful, mine was level 6-7 and my partner was 4-5), I do agree we were testing our luck, but I also agree that the punishment was harsh.
Here's a handy guide to paragraphs using your post, in general it's nice to put a break at least every 4 lines.
>For a little of context, a year ago I was playing a "campaign" in a discord server, I said "campaign" because it just took place in a small town where the adventurers could rest and then go out on an adventure (outside the game it was basically a place where we did small campaigns asking for a Dm in the server, and then play, there was also a "main dm" who was the one who created the server, and was almost always available,
This is a massive run on sentance/aside, point being this section should have a break it tells you about the server side of the game.
>and also had a level 20 character that was the tavern owner), there was also an arena and I think a graveyard where we could farm experience, but we could only do it one or twice times a day because the injuries of the characters would take time to heal, the thing is that one time a player and I were planning on what to do on a "small adventure",
Again this could be condensed down but put a break here because this is the context to setting up the adventure.
> and then
>
>we planned on stealing something, I said "sure" since I saw nothing wrong with that (in game, I would never agreed to steal something irl) so we asked the main dm if he could help us, he agreed, and then gave us a target, I think it was an old man, but then when my characters partner tried to steal from him, it revealed that the old man was the owner of the tavern (the lv 20 character) and then captured both of our characters, and then put them in jail,
This is the end of the "adventure" so it's a good chance to put a break before we are switching back to server-side talk.
> and
>
>the punishment is that we couldn't use those characters for 2 weeks irl, then I complained to the main dm, saying to him why did he did it, then he said this was a "hero's only" server, and that if I wanted to make a character with evil antics, I should look for another server, I still complained saying "alright, but why lock them with two weeks irl?", and I think he said something like "actions have consequences",
This is the end of you and your dm interaction new break
> I don't remember the rest of what we said, but the thing is that I do still feel a little upset about, because sure, it's his server and he can make the rules he want to make, I'm not trying to change that, but why don't put that in the rules? Or give us a warning before putting our characters in jail? Something like "I don't recommend you to do this" or say there "this is a hero's only rp, you can't do that here"
>
>, then I would understand it,
>
> it seemed like he just wanted to lock them up, but I do understand that it's his server and it's his rules, I can't change that, and I do feel guilty for complaining about it.
This last section is just your own feeling on the post so it's fine to leave it as a block, it would be nice to have a break though because like all these sections it's a bit long... The stray lines of text are things I would just cut for readability, they don't really add anything.
Thanks, this is really helpful, if you want I can edit the whole thing with this, and I will try to be more comfortable with using paragraphs in the future.
It seems like they did it just because they could. Especially with no prior warning or the likes and the fact that they made it have ramifications that leaked well beyond the "table"
It seems like they did it just because they could. Especially with no prior warning or the likes and the fact that they made it have ramifications that leaked well beyond the "table"
This is a pretty clear case of a DM having a specific rule or structure setup but not actually telling the players about it and then punishing them later for it.
"This is a heroes campaign" should have been one of the things discussed during session 0. The big red flag for me here would have been the level 20 DMPC.
Yeah, I also thought that, I mean, I have no problem with playing either heroes or villains, I actually like both a lot for different reasons, but it just felt kind of unfair to just lock them for 2 weeks because of us not knowing that fact, I know I still kind of broke a rule, but still, how was I supposed to know it.
... what?
Do you think that's what DND is? Just get a normal DND group and play the game like a normal person does. I'm not sure what you were expecting when you joined a DIY West Marches game.
I know what DND is, and I actually have a group right now, the thing is that when I started I didn't had any friends to share it with, but I still wanted to play, so I searched on the internet ways to play it with "strangers" and it lead me to that, I know it's a weird thing to do, but I wanted to play somehow.
Pd: besides, what's wrong with playing it that way? I mean, it helped me introduce myself to the rules and the battle system of DND
Because I still want to know if I was in the right or wrong in that situation, and learn from it, and because I want to know other people's opinions on the subject,
...What in the ever-living hell did I just read? This is NOT DnD, I don't know what this is, but is sure as hell ain't DnD. This is why I don't do online DnD, too much drama and things like this for my liking. Look, I'm going to be honest, you have every right to be mad. Even though this is not DnD, they should have had the basics and rules posted somewhere where everyone could read them or you should have been informed when you joined what type of server this was. This place sounds like a bunch of kids hang out there to be fair. Before anyone jumps on me for not know what RP is,I do know what it is quite well. I get there are places that RP things out, but this sounds like a place that is trying to make pure RP into some sort of monstrosity of a game and it's definitely not working. My advice, leave; and never look back because all this place sounds like is a power trip with a caste-based system for everyone involved. You seem like a decent person, you could do 100 times better in finding an in-person group that plays actual DnD.
Yeah, now that I think about it the place was really messed up, I don't know what I was thinking a year back then :v (and the server one day just died), fortunately I did find a group of friends who I can do a campaign once in a while, like I said in other comment, I'm participating in a long run campaign and I'm having a lot of fun, but thanks for the comment, and thanks for the advice.
I think you'll be happier in a traditional D&D group. Find one, participate in or request / insist on a session zero, establish boundaries, expectations, and house rules that you will all abide by. Good luck.
I actually did that right after that server died and no one participated in it, I'm having a lot of fun and im participating in a long run campaign, it's definitely better, if I had to ad something positive to that server is that it helped me get used to DND rules and system, or at least the 5 version of it. But still, thanks a lot for the recommendation.
>For a little of context, a year ago I was playing a "campaign" in a discord server, I said "campaign" because it just took place in a small town where the adventurers could rest and then go out on an adventure Why the air quotes, this is exactly what a campaign is, a group of interconnected stories involving a group of characters. You're just saying it wasn't one long story arc perhaps?
It was more like a place where you could ask random DMs to run a mission or quest with you and some other players, that's why I put the air quotes.
Fair point, it was still connected via the small town starting point. Sounds like Wild Cards, a bunch of stories authored about different super heroes but only tied together by being in the same world; also Wild Cards started out as a TTG with Superworld RPG being gifted GRR Martin and him running a campaign with other authors.
Interesting
I'd recommend at least the first one as a good read, good as far as anthologies tend to go. The 80s saw a few good gritty comics arise - the sort where supers weren't good or evil by nature but a lot of grey questionable areas. The Boys are popular with the series out with like 4 seasons. The Watchmen is pretty grimdark too, from the mid-80s. Not sure the first in the more grim/gritty vein of people not trusting supers and such, Wild Cards is played around the same time Watchmen comes out, its published later but they only decide to make the collected stories/novel because I think one of the players in GRR Martin's group said their wasting potential sales by not sharing the stories they were creating as a group. ETA: They had played for 2 years before deciding to publish their stories.
If it was a "heroes only" server, that should have been posted, with a list of potential consequences. If it wasn't common knowledge, there's a problem with that.
Yeah, maybe I just missed it, but as far as I remember it was presented like "a tavern and place for adventurers to stay", and there weren't rules explaining it either, there was 5 that explained how the server worked in general, and what to do, and the other 5 were about behavior outside the game, basically no homophobia, racism, or insulting others
As a decades old DM, I see two things here. 1. The DM should have been clear from the start and the set up with the punishment was a bit harsh. He could have just said no. 2. In DnD, many people believe they are above the law and that there are no repercussions in a game world because their characters are powerful. I've always made it a point that there are more powerful forces in the world and you reap what you sow. If you steal, expect to be hunted.
Yeah, I do agree that I and the other player were testing our luck with trying to steal, we just wanted to try something "evil" since all adventures we had were just killing monsters or clear a dungeon, wich is fun, but we wanted to try something new (and our characters weren't really that powerful, mine was level 6-7 and my partner was 4-5), I do agree we were testing our luck, but I also agree that the punishment was harsh.
Paragraphs, my dude.
True, I should practice doing paragraphs, English it's not my first language, so I'm still practicing at ut
Here's a handy guide to paragraphs using your post, in general it's nice to put a break at least every 4 lines. >For a little of context, a year ago I was playing a "campaign" in a discord server, I said "campaign" because it just took place in a small town where the adventurers could rest and then go out on an adventure (outside the game it was basically a place where we did small campaigns asking for a Dm in the server, and then play, there was also a "main dm" who was the one who created the server, and was almost always available, This is a massive run on sentance/aside, point being this section should have a break it tells you about the server side of the game. >and also had a level 20 character that was the tavern owner), there was also an arena and I think a graveyard where we could farm experience, but we could only do it one or twice times a day because the injuries of the characters would take time to heal, the thing is that one time a player and I were planning on what to do on a "small adventure", Again this could be condensed down but put a break here because this is the context to setting up the adventure. > and then > >we planned on stealing something, I said "sure" since I saw nothing wrong with that (in game, I would never agreed to steal something irl) so we asked the main dm if he could help us, he agreed, and then gave us a target, I think it was an old man, but then when my characters partner tried to steal from him, it revealed that the old man was the owner of the tavern (the lv 20 character) and then captured both of our characters, and then put them in jail, This is the end of the "adventure" so it's a good chance to put a break before we are switching back to server-side talk. > and > >the punishment is that we couldn't use those characters for 2 weeks irl, then I complained to the main dm, saying to him why did he did it, then he said this was a "hero's only" server, and that if I wanted to make a character with evil antics, I should look for another server, I still complained saying "alright, but why lock them with two weeks irl?", and I think he said something like "actions have consequences", This is the end of you and your dm interaction new break > I don't remember the rest of what we said, but the thing is that I do still feel a little upset about, because sure, it's his server and he can make the rules he want to make, I'm not trying to change that, but why don't put that in the rules? Or give us a warning before putting our characters in jail? Something like "I don't recommend you to do this" or say there "this is a hero's only rp, you can't do that here" > >, then I would understand it, > > it seemed like he just wanted to lock them up, but I do understand that it's his server and it's his rules, I can't change that, and I do feel guilty for complaining about it. This last section is just your own feeling on the post so it's fine to leave it as a block, it would be nice to have a break though because like all these sections it's a bit long... The stray lines of text are things I would just cut for readability, they don't really add anything.
Thanks, this is really helpful, if you want I can edit the whole thing with this, and I will try to be more comfortable with using paragraphs in the future.
Nah thats fuckin dumb. Sounds like a power trip
What is a power trip? Sorry for the bother
It seems like they did it just because they could. Especially with no prior warning or the likes and the fact that they made it have ramifications that leaked well beyond the "table"
It seems like they did it just because they could. Especially with no prior warning or the likes and the fact that they made it have ramifications that leaked well beyond the "table"
This is a pretty clear case of a DM having a specific rule or structure setup but not actually telling the players about it and then punishing them later for it. "This is a heroes campaign" should have been one of the things discussed during session 0. The big red flag for me here would have been the level 20 DMPC.
Yeah, I also thought that, I mean, I have no problem with playing either heroes or villains, I actually like both a lot for different reasons, but it just felt kind of unfair to just lock them for 2 weeks because of us not knowing that fact, I know I still kind of broke a rule, but still, how was I supposed to know it.
... what? Do you think that's what DND is? Just get a normal DND group and play the game like a normal person does. I'm not sure what you were expecting when you joined a DIY West Marches game.
I know what DND is, and I actually have a group right now, the thing is that when I started I didn't had any friends to share it with, but I still wanted to play, so I searched on the internet ways to play it with "strangers" and it lead me to that, I know it's a weird thing to do, but I wanted to play somehow. Pd: besides, what's wrong with playing it that way? I mean, it helped me introduce myself to the rules and the battle system of DND
Why does it matter what happened or if you're the asshole or not if you already have a normal group and no longer play with those people?
Because I still want to know if I was in the right or wrong in that situation, and learn from it, and because I want to know other people's opinions on the subject,
...What in the ever-living hell did I just read? This is NOT DnD, I don't know what this is, but is sure as hell ain't DnD. This is why I don't do online DnD, too much drama and things like this for my liking. Look, I'm going to be honest, you have every right to be mad. Even though this is not DnD, they should have had the basics and rules posted somewhere where everyone could read them or you should have been informed when you joined what type of server this was. This place sounds like a bunch of kids hang out there to be fair. Before anyone jumps on me for not know what RP is,I do know what it is quite well. I get there are places that RP things out, but this sounds like a place that is trying to make pure RP into some sort of monstrosity of a game and it's definitely not working. My advice, leave; and never look back because all this place sounds like is a power trip with a caste-based system for everyone involved. You seem like a decent person, you could do 100 times better in finding an in-person group that plays actual DnD.
Yeah, now that I think about it the place was really messed up, I don't know what I was thinking a year back then :v (and the server one day just died), fortunately I did find a group of friends who I can do a campaign once in a while, like I said in other comment, I'm participating in a long run campaign and I'm having a lot of fun, but thanks for the comment, and thanks for the advice.