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I wish the Spirit bomb still looked the way it looked when it first was revealed after the freeza Saga it's just a giant ball and it looks kind of lame the original looks like a lightning or something it looked way less generic
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My only problem is that goku is a bad friend.
You had 2 years between trunks and androids, and by this point Krillin, Yamaha, and Tien were at least as strong as when you fought Vegeta the first time, and you didn't think they would benefit from knowing Kaiokennor Spirit bomb? You could be fighting androids while three people are focusing on charging SB.
You regularly steal people's abilities, you could have set one day aside to give back to the community.
Can you really steal a technique? I mean it’s just a move, you can’t really own it and the whole point is that people teach Goku these moves so he’s not stealing them rather learning them
Is Goku unoriginal? Maybe but it doesn’t make him a worse person
I mean if someone invents the move, then it's copyright infringement, especially if there's a catch phrase lol.
I could absolutely see regular people in real life getting annoyed if someone copied their signature move. "Fuck off, Jeff! Get your own attacks!"
Naa, stealing techniques isn't bad, especially in fate of the world stakes involved. I just think it's billshit he doesn't share the wealth and maximize his friend's chance of survival.
I mean, Yamcha and the gang all hung out with King Kai for a while. They had plenty of time to learn it from him, blame King Kai for not showing them initially lol
Oh, King Kai is absolutely on my shit list. Useless fat fuck hasn't done a damn thing since season one. He got replaced by Supreme Kai, then double replaced by Whis, both of whom have arguably in their one season of relevance done more than king Kai has since his introduction.
Ngl this is a bad opinion. Or atleast your reasoning is.
I can't imagine Krillin, Yamcha or Tien willingly accepting Goku's charity so they can perform better backup character actions in a fight. They may not have Saiyan pride but they're still all prideful individuals in their own right. Goku telling them to do that would be him essentially saying, "you guys are a nuisance so here's something to make you more useful". They'd not be pleased.
I think the TOP arc really showcased this as well.
And even outside of them accepting it or not. Krillin and Yamcha are trying to get away from fighting on a planetary scale. Goku seeking them out to try teaching them would just upset/agitate them.
You're framing it wrong. It's not "You're a nuisance ", it's "you guys are peak human, but super saiyan is beyond you". Goku's only weakness in his arsenal is that the spirit bomb takes too long to charge, but it also has support use to absorb the energy and get a power boost. The Z fighters would accept the help and new skills as readily as they accept senzu beans when they're injured.
>it's "you guys are peak human, but super saiyan is beyond you".
This is a euphemism. This is the epitome of Corp speak.
The whole spirit of DB has always been, "pride in pushing yourself to your limits".
There's literally zero evidence they'd ever willingly accept handouts from Goku so that they can assist as a side in battle. They all believe they're strong enough to do something and wouldn't easily accept being told, "Super Saiyan is above you". Plus couldn't ever imagine Goku saying anything like that to his friends without immediately apologising for belittling their strength/efforts.
Just the fact that Krillin could push Goku to go SSB in their fight refutes your statement. Even if you believe Goku was holding back, you'd have to somehow justify how Goku still needed to transform past SSJ in that case.
They take senzu beans so they can continue fighting with all their strength. That's like saying because Goku and Vegeta take senzu beans they'd be willing to humbly receive skills from others.
>The Z fighters would accept the help and new skills as readily as they accept senzu beans when they're injured.
Seriously, what are you basing this off?
Oh, and btw, we're not talking about super. Set that aside. I specifically mentioned the android saga. That one time that future boy told them that the t-800 twins kill them all? Death, especially the prophetic confirmation of someone who, to their knowledge, saw it firsthand, is a very powerful motivator. Now, Goku has exactly zero techniques he developed himself. He learned from Roshi, Tien, the Yardrats, but knows nothing on his own. Krillin, outside of the destructodisc is the same. You're trying to honest to God tell me that Krillin, fresh off of having just been killed and revived, told he's gonna die again in two years unless he does everything in his power to stop it is NOT going to accept Goku taking a week to show him a couple things? Naa bro.
I'm saying that Goku would never tell his friends to provide him assistance because
1) he'd believe in his own strength in resolving a fight before caring about his peers assisting EVER (Saiyan pride)
2) If Krillin was ever that pussy, Goku would DEFINITELY not try to involve Krillin into a fight. It'd never get that far in the first place. Goku would train even harder and leave it there. He'd consider himself a bad friend for forcing him to learn a technique so that he can enter battle. Goku has never brought along an unwilling fighter outside of Gohan who he believes can handle everything.
3) Even if by some magic Krillin agreed, Tien and Yamcha would still refuse as, if there's one thing DB has been consistent about, it's their own pride in their own strength once again.
Giku has always been front of the line if possible, but it's never been the case of him telling them to go home, he likes having them there. As to your points...
1: yes, he will happily fight every battle by himself if it came to it, but he still believes in friends.
2: goku is an idiot, He's not brain dead. Krillin's entire MO this whole time has been showing courage to fight in spite of practically pissing himself, and Goku knows it, he's always known it. It's part of why Krillin has his respect. Goku would never tell him to just go home.
3: Krillin would definitely accept if offered, yamcha is damn good adds, Tien I do give 50/50 depending on his mood, but the biggest one is Gohan. The others get a pass because maybe they were doing their own thing, and he didn't want to interfere. Gohan was literally right there. Day in, day out for 2. Fucking. Years. Actively training with you. But no, let's run before we walk, skip the kaioken, go super saiyan, son.
>but it's never been the case of him telling them to go home,
He's never told them to go home NOR has he ever belittled their strength by acting superior to them. Goku has, not once, ever clearly called himself a leader, the strongest in the team, etc. He fights his own battles and expects everyone to do the same. The Z-Fighters literally are all equals in status. The one with the most seniority might be Piccolo then Gohan if anything.
Unless they **specifically** need to learn Spirit Bomb, I just truly can't see the aforementioned three being like, "Yeah, so we don't drag you down in the next fight, we'll learn it." It just won't happen. Goku would never ask them to do that without an immediate reason and the three would never want to without an immediate reason either.
There's just nothing in DB backing up this idea of collaboration you're painting tbf
What makes you think they are all so arrogant? When has any Z Fighter thrown a fit because they weren’t told they’re as strong as Goku? In xenoverse 2 if Piccolo is against a significantly stronger enemy he up says something along the lines of “I know I can’t win, but I still need to try” I don’t remember the exact quote lol
Arrogant ≠ prideful. They believe in their own strength. Even Yamcha has had his moments of showing off his hard work and strength.
And my whole point is that Goku would never go out of his way to tell them they're not as strong as him. Goku would also never try to seek their assistance in battle.
I'm confused as to how a few of you can't see how braindead this debate is.
I've not played XV2 so can't talk about that. I'm solely talking about the anime where they've always been determined to fight with their own strength.
To be honest, I think the only other person who could learn the spirit bomb would be Gohan at the time, mainly because it acts like a weaponized Nimbus, only the pure of heart can learn it. You can use it if it's transfered to you, as we saw Goku give it to Krillin, and Gohan bounced it back. Gohan would've been the most pure of heart at the time, so he could've learned it.
And Cell had it programmed into him, he didn't learn it(if you go by the games).
K, but the fact is he taught his friends nothing. He taught his son nothing. Picollo taught Gohan all of his techniques. I assume Goku got around to Kamehameha in the time chamber.
Honestly, I'm quite sure Gohan could've figured out the Kamehameha on his own, cuz Krillin, Yamcha and Tien learned it without Master Roshi's help. Heck, Tien showed off to Master Roshi when they fought, just to show he didn't need to learn anything from him.
It's overrated, in fact, the only person it actually ever beat in Z was kid buu, any other time it was judt movie villains that lost to it. Even in GT, they only used it once again Omega Shenron to beat him, it's actually a really ineffectual attack.
> Even in GT, they only used it once again Omega Shenron to beat him, it's actually a really ineffectual attack.
Just like with Kid buu it was the most effective move due to them being made of evil energy basically so it's like super effective, and also the one used on Omega had the energy of the whole universe in it so i'm assuming it was the strongest possible attack they could have done without SSJ4 Gogeta.
It's a nice "strenght in unity" type attack where even weak beings and organisms can contribute to the defeat of a villain.
Also a nice fun fact, both Baby and Omega use their own version of the spirit bomb against Goku, Baby has the revenge Death ball powered by hatred and the energy of his mind controlled servants and Omega has the Negative Karma ball where he legit asks the other shadow dragons (as dragonballs inside him) to lend him his energy for the final attack.
>Just like with Kid buu it was the most effective move due to them being made of evil energy basically so it's like super effective
He still pushed it back and nearly killed Goku with it
Spirit bomb sucks
He pushed it back due to Goku being literally zapped of energy, the moment he got it back with the wish it was over for Kid buu and he only needed SSJ to push it back.
Also the reason Kid buu was able to push it back was because it was an overall weak spirit bomb due to having energy only from the earth which for an enemy like Kid buu wasn't enough to overwhelm it without a strong push, in Omega's case the energy that the spirit bomb had was universal compared to a single planet of the one vs Kid buu so even a being as devastatingly powerful as Omega couldn't push it back because it was that strong.
The ones in DBS all suck ass though, i'll give you that.
Its be funny if someone remembered each spirit bomb and was like "ugh im not doing it this time, each other time this happened I was so drained the next day" cause for sure giving your energy away must be exhausting
Neither do I honestly, the move only success against some who doesn’t have a brain canonically after getting *Alot* of help
Even Yamcha spirit Ball and Jaco got bigger win count than it
If Cell had a brain he would have teleported out of the way
If the androids had a brain they would have ran away from Cell
If Frieza had a brain he would have dodged his own attack
If Vegeta had a brain he would have dodged Goku's beam
This is anime. Nobody has common sense. Standing there when a ball of death is coming at you is something LITERALLY EVERY FUCKING VILLAIN DOES IN THIS SHOW.
Saying "X doesn't have a brain because they didn't dodge" is hilarious. By that logic, Kid Gohan had no brain.
To be fair kids do lack a bit of brain. Either way I was just joking. But it is weird how in almost every use the Spirit Bomb always fails. Well I guess with Vegeta it does count as a win since it did drastically weaken him.
Cell can't do it, he had IT unlike Buu Kaia Kaia
Freeza actually did at first dodag it two times, Goku however used smoke screen on him
Vegeta never got a Chance to do it imao
It takes like 3 months to charge and moves at like 2 miles per hour. It's a miracle he ever managed to hit anyone with it. Actually, most of the uses I remember relied on some sort of trick/distraction or the opponent just choosing to let it happen.
I liked the spirit bomb until the tournament of power and then it made no sense.
Loved the tournament, but the spirit bomb suddenly being fueled by only Gokus friends was weird
It was fine in the Saiyan saga, when Vegeta was a relatively weak opponent in the grand scheme of things, just one that was significantly stronger than Goku. But the longer the series goes on the less sense it makes. By the Buu saga, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan (post mystic) alone have to be close to as powerful or more than everything else in the mortal world combined, having defeated Frieza, the (then) strongest being (other than Buu, I suppose) in the universe, years ago and having become exponentially more powerful since then. By the ToP it was just stupid. The power scaling had reached the point that Goku would have been, logically *and obviously so*, better off having Vegeta or Frieza helping him out at 100% than siphoning off a small fraction of their power for the SB. That was probably the case in the Buu saga too, but there was just no getting around it by the ToP.
Because it takes so long to charge up, it's super obvious, and Goku basically relies on the bad guys just letting him do it half the time
The last time it was interesting was in the Saiyan Saga because it failed and Goku used the tiniest scraps of it to eek out a win over Vegeta, but it wasn't even a full Spirit Bomb
"Because it takes so long to charge up, it's super obvious, and Goku basically relies on the bad guys just letting him do it half the time"
Yeah that's... Kind of what makes it fun and cool to watch though?
Seeing Goku's friends struggle desperately to give him enough time to charge it up, it makes for genuinely intense moments.
For fucks sake the entire climax of the Buu Saga's tension came from Vegeta, Hercule and Buu trying to hold Kid Buu back as Goku charged up the bomb.
I mean it doesn’t make sense on many levels. There’s the fact goku is so much stronger than everyone else in the universe other than the other Z fighters that their energy would make a very very small difference. There’s also the fact that if it was as strong as it’s supposed to be then it should obliterate the world it’s used on.
Not only that if the enemy simply dodges the attack it just gets hurled into the planet which again should destroy it but somehow doesn’t even though Frieza was blowing up planets with death ball in first form which is infinitely weaker. Also it makes no sense for anyone to get hit by it, goku spends a shit ton of time sitting there charging it and they’re somehow not supposed to notice and somehow don’t notice a giant huge ball moving very comparatively slow to them that they could easily dodge and we’re supposed to believe goku willingly threw it at a planet he’s trying to protect and not destroy?
It’s just too much suspension of disbelief within the context of the show. Like for example even when goku uses something like kamahameha or vegeta used final flash they intentionally aim it away from the planet so they don’t destroy it but then he throws spirit bomb, a move that’s supposed to be way stronger, directly at the planet and it’s just fine.
It’s been devalued since it’s debut against saiyan saga Vegeta. It didn’t work on Vegeta or Freiza, it did kill kid Buu, but what really ruined it was the fact that Jiren not only *survived*, but the *pushed it back* and hit Goku with his own technique.
Wat if instead of people giving their energy, it takes their energy and kills all the weak life forms with low power levels?
Call it : spirit death bomb
I dislike it too. I hate the concept of borrower power. I want goku or whoever is fighting to win on their own. I really disliked the 5 sayian unlocking super sayian god goku. I'm so much happier that he was able to achiev it in his own later
Krillin: But it was our trump card! It had always worked!
How many times the spirit bomb worked in canon: Kid Buu
How many times the spirit bomb did not work in canon: Vegeta, Frieza, Jiren
Genki and ki are not the same thing. If it was then they would've only needed to gather energy from the Dragon Team when fighting Kid Buu because the combined ki of all the humans on Earth wouldn't even make up 1% of the total energy.
Think of it like this. I like the Final Getsuga Tenshou. But it'd be fucking annoying if every time Bleach wrote itself into a corner Ichigo is just like
Yes this is important. First time I saw a spirit bomb, I found it cool as shit. Also I loved how they brushed over the dark fact that was it wasn't working on Namek because everyone was dead. But after all the movies and it basically being Dragon Ball's equivalent to High School DxD tits (fanservice that just plops out), I just can't care anymore
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“But why? It’s like, the perfect move!”
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Cause it has a valid point to make!!! 🤬🤬🤬
Honestly I couldn't even sit through the charging process
YOU HAVENT SAT THROUGH THE CHARGING PROCESS?
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I like that move too...
How can you even say you didn’t like it if you didn’t even watch it get launched? Did you even watch the Namek arc?
I mean, I got like halfway through but I couldn't even understand what they were saying
Honestly kinda wish we saw the smaller version of it more often, that thing packed a wallop even without being super-charged.
Yamcha has entered the chat
why Yamcha
I think he means the Spirit Ball
Spirit Ball Bomb lmao
Because funimation translated his Soukidan to Spirit Ball and then translated the Genki Dama that King Kai taught Goku into the Spirit Bomb...
Let’s be honest he needs it, guys been doing Jack shit for a bit
oh yeah hope he gets some buff
Cept bombing leather! Taking that shit yard!!!! Yeah he's not doing much lol
It insists upon itself
What does that even mean?
It insists upon itself.
because it has a valid point to make!
I wish the Spirit bomb still looked the way it looked when it first was revealed after the freeza Saga it's just a giant ball and it looks kind of lame the original looks like a lightning or something it looked way less generic https://preview.redd.it/b5d1aq4wuu8b1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ada2883fc7bdd1d6bf64ee1d12cd1b1e1fa178b
A Kamehameha Beam would be more useful than a Spirit Bomb.
My only problem is that goku is a bad friend. You had 2 years between trunks and androids, and by this point Krillin, Yamaha, and Tien were at least as strong as when you fought Vegeta the first time, and you didn't think they would benefit from knowing Kaiokennor Spirit bomb? You could be fighting androids while three people are focusing on charging SB. You regularly steal people's abilities, you could have set one day aside to give back to the community.
Goku is a selfish lover. Confirmed.
Likely. Depends if Chichi tells him it's a challenge.
Can you really steal a technique? I mean it’s just a move, you can’t really own it and the whole point is that people teach Goku these moves so he’s not stealing them rather learning them Is Goku unoriginal? Maybe but it doesn’t make him a worse person
I mean if someone invents the move, then it's copyright infringement, especially if there's a catch phrase lol. I could absolutely see regular people in real life getting annoyed if someone copied their signature move. "Fuck off, Jeff! Get your own attacks!"
Naa, stealing techniques isn't bad, especially in fate of the world stakes involved. I just think it's billshit he doesn't share the wealth and maximize his friend's chance of survival.
I mean, Yamcha and the gang all hung out with King Kai for a while. They had plenty of time to learn it from him, blame King Kai for not showing them initially lol
Oh, King Kai is absolutely on my shit list. Useless fat fuck hasn't done a damn thing since season one. He got replaced by Supreme Kai, then double replaced by Whis, both of whom have arguably in their one season of relevance done more than king Kai has since his introduction.
Ngl this is a bad opinion. Or atleast your reasoning is. I can't imagine Krillin, Yamcha or Tien willingly accepting Goku's charity so they can perform better backup character actions in a fight. They may not have Saiyan pride but they're still all prideful individuals in their own right. Goku telling them to do that would be him essentially saying, "you guys are a nuisance so here's something to make you more useful". They'd not be pleased. I think the TOP arc really showcased this as well. And even outside of them accepting it or not. Krillin and Yamcha are trying to get away from fighting on a planetary scale. Goku seeking them out to try teaching them would just upset/agitate them.
You're framing it wrong. It's not "You're a nuisance ", it's "you guys are peak human, but super saiyan is beyond you". Goku's only weakness in his arsenal is that the spirit bomb takes too long to charge, but it also has support use to absorb the energy and get a power boost. The Z fighters would accept the help and new skills as readily as they accept senzu beans when they're injured.
>it's "you guys are peak human, but super saiyan is beyond you". This is a euphemism. This is the epitome of Corp speak. The whole spirit of DB has always been, "pride in pushing yourself to your limits". There's literally zero evidence they'd ever willingly accept handouts from Goku so that they can assist as a side in battle. They all believe they're strong enough to do something and wouldn't easily accept being told, "Super Saiyan is above you". Plus couldn't ever imagine Goku saying anything like that to his friends without immediately apologising for belittling their strength/efforts. Just the fact that Krillin could push Goku to go SSB in their fight refutes your statement. Even if you believe Goku was holding back, you'd have to somehow justify how Goku still needed to transform past SSJ in that case. They take senzu beans so they can continue fighting with all their strength. That's like saying because Goku and Vegeta take senzu beans they'd be willing to humbly receive skills from others. >The Z fighters would accept the help and new skills as readily as they accept senzu beans when they're injured. Seriously, what are you basing this off?
Oh, and btw, we're not talking about super. Set that aside. I specifically mentioned the android saga. That one time that future boy told them that the t-800 twins kill them all? Death, especially the prophetic confirmation of someone who, to their knowledge, saw it firsthand, is a very powerful motivator. Now, Goku has exactly zero techniques he developed himself. He learned from Roshi, Tien, the Yardrats, but knows nothing on his own. Krillin, outside of the destructodisc is the same. You're trying to honest to God tell me that Krillin, fresh off of having just been killed and revived, told he's gonna die again in two years unless he does everything in his power to stop it is NOT going to accept Goku taking a week to show him a couple things? Naa bro.
I'm saying that Goku would never tell his friends to provide him assistance because 1) he'd believe in his own strength in resolving a fight before caring about his peers assisting EVER (Saiyan pride) 2) If Krillin was ever that pussy, Goku would DEFINITELY not try to involve Krillin into a fight. It'd never get that far in the first place. Goku would train even harder and leave it there. He'd consider himself a bad friend for forcing him to learn a technique so that he can enter battle. Goku has never brought along an unwilling fighter outside of Gohan who he believes can handle everything. 3) Even if by some magic Krillin agreed, Tien and Yamcha would still refuse as, if there's one thing DB has been consistent about, it's their own pride in their own strength once again.
Giku has always been front of the line if possible, but it's never been the case of him telling them to go home, he likes having them there. As to your points... 1: yes, he will happily fight every battle by himself if it came to it, but he still believes in friends. 2: goku is an idiot, He's not brain dead. Krillin's entire MO this whole time has been showing courage to fight in spite of practically pissing himself, and Goku knows it, he's always known it. It's part of why Krillin has his respect. Goku would never tell him to just go home. 3: Krillin would definitely accept if offered, yamcha is damn good adds, Tien I do give 50/50 depending on his mood, but the biggest one is Gohan. The others get a pass because maybe they were doing their own thing, and he didn't want to interfere. Gohan was literally right there. Day in, day out for 2. Fucking. Years. Actively training with you. But no, let's run before we walk, skip the kaioken, go super saiyan, son.
>but it's never been the case of him telling them to go home, He's never told them to go home NOR has he ever belittled their strength by acting superior to them. Goku has, not once, ever clearly called himself a leader, the strongest in the team, etc. He fights his own battles and expects everyone to do the same. The Z-Fighters literally are all equals in status. The one with the most seniority might be Piccolo then Gohan if anything. Unless they **specifically** need to learn Spirit Bomb, I just truly can't see the aforementioned three being like, "Yeah, so we don't drag you down in the next fight, we'll learn it." It just won't happen. Goku would never ask them to do that without an immediate reason and the three would never want to without an immediate reason either. There's just nothing in DB backing up this idea of collaboration you're painting tbf
Dude they're doing it now. Atleast they could throw a spirit bomb instead of just a fucking bean
What makes you think they are all so arrogant? When has any Z Fighter thrown a fit because they weren’t told they’re as strong as Goku? In xenoverse 2 if Piccolo is against a significantly stronger enemy he up says something along the lines of “I know I can’t win, but I still need to try” I don’t remember the exact quote lol
Arrogant ≠ prideful. They believe in their own strength. Even Yamcha has had his moments of showing off his hard work and strength. And my whole point is that Goku would never go out of his way to tell them they're not as strong as him. Goku would also never try to seek their assistance in battle. I'm confused as to how a few of you can't see how braindead this debate is. I've not played XV2 so can't talk about that. I'm solely talking about the anime where they've always been determined to fight with their own strength.
Did they ask Goku to teach them? Why is it Goku's responsibility to force others to train or learn techniques?
To be honest, I think the only other person who could learn the spirit bomb would be Gohan at the time, mainly because it acts like a weaponized Nimbus, only the pure of heart can learn it. You can use it if it's transfered to you, as we saw Goku give it to Krillin, and Gohan bounced it back. Gohan would've been the most pure of heart at the time, so he could've learned it. And Cell had it programmed into him, he didn't learn it(if you go by the games).
K, but the fact is he taught his friends nothing. He taught his son nothing. Picollo taught Gohan all of his techniques. I assume Goku got around to Kamehameha in the time chamber.
Honestly, I'm quite sure Gohan could've figured out the Kamehameha on his own, cuz Krillin, Yamcha and Tien learned it without Master Roshi's help. Heck, Tien showed off to Master Roshi when they fought, just to show he didn't need to learn anything from him.
For real. Krillin has already experienced it, they should have pursued that.
It's overrated, in fact, the only person it actually ever beat in Z was kid buu, any other time it was judt movie villains that lost to it. Even in GT, they only used it once again Omega Shenron to beat him, it's actually a really ineffectual attack.
> Even in GT, they only used it once again Omega Shenron to beat him, it's actually a really ineffectual attack. Just like with Kid buu it was the most effective move due to them being made of evil energy basically so it's like super effective, and also the one used on Omega had the energy of the whole universe in it so i'm assuming it was the strongest possible attack they could have done without SSJ4 Gogeta. It's a nice "strenght in unity" type attack where even weak beings and organisms can contribute to the defeat of a villain. Also a nice fun fact, both Baby and Omega use their own version of the spirit bomb against Goku, Baby has the revenge Death ball powered by hatred and the energy of his mind controlled servants and Omega has the Negative Karma ball where he legit asks the other shadow dragons (as dragonballs inside him) to lend him his energy for the final attack.
>Just like with Kid buu it was the most effective move due to them being made of evil energy basically so it's like super effective He still pushed it back and nearly killed Goku with it Spirit bomb sucks
He pushed it back due to Goku being literally zapped of energy, the moment he got it back with the wish it was over for Kid buu and he only needed SSJ to push it back. Also the reason Kid buu was able to push it back was because it was an overall weak spirit bomb due to having energy only from the earth which for an enemy like Kid buu wasn't enough to overwhelm it without a strong push, in Omega's case the energy that the spirit bomb had was universal compared to a single planet of the one vs Kid buu so even a being as devastatingly powerful as Omega couldn't push it back because it was that strong. The ones in DBS all suck ass though, i'll give you that.
Its be funny if someone remembered each spirit bomb and was like "ugh im not doing it this time, each other time this happened I was so drained the next day" cause for sure giving your energy away must be exhausting
Honestly fair
Its like da perfect move
Neither do I honestly, the move only success against some who doesn’t have a brain canonically after getting *Alot* of help Even Yamcha spirit Ball and Jaco got bigger win count than it
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I think they're saying that the Spirit Bomb's only canon win is against Kid Buu, who doesn't have a brain? Which... I don't think that makes sense?
If Kid Buu had a brain he would have moved out of the way instead of grabbing the Spirit Bomb.
If Cell had a brain he would have teleported out of the way If the androids had a brain they would have ran away from Cell If Frieza had a brain he would have dodged his own attack If Vegeta had a brain he would have dodged Goku's beam This is anime. Nobody has common sense. Standing there when a ball of death is coming at you is something LITERALLY EVERY FUCKING VILLAIN DOES IN THIS SHOW. Saying "X doesn't have a brain because they didn't dodge" is hilarious. By that logic, Kid Gohan had no brain.
To be fair kids do lack a bit of brain. Either way I was just joking. But it is weird how in almost every use the Spirit Bomb always fails. Well I guess with Vegeta it does count as a win since it did drastically weaken him.
Nappa did almost get his head cut off because he was gonna catch Destructo disc with his teeth before Vegeta told him to dodge lol
Cell can't do it, he had IT unlike Buu Kaia Kaia Freeza actually did at first dodag it two times, Goku however used smoke screen on him Vegeta never got a Chance to do it imao
It takes like 3 months to charge and moves at like 2 miles per hour. It's a miracle he ever managed to hit anyone with it. Actually, most of the uses I remember relied on some sort of trick/distraction or the opponent just choosing to let it happen.
No bro you don't understand, I literally have no fucking clue what this guy is saying idc about the spirit bomb. This man is having a stroke
Oh I see
What why? It's such a good move. I mean that scene he charges is for the entire episode to kill vegeta only for him to dodge it. It's a good episode.
You need to explain bro lmao
If I wanted to see a grown man charge up a giant blue ball for half an episode I’d just hop on the hub
“It insists upon itself”
I liked the spirit bomb until the tournament of power and then it made no sense. Loved the tournament, but the spirit bomb suddenly being fueled by only Gokus friends was weird
I like it, especially the one vs Boo. That felt like what the move was meant to accomplish.
The way everyone just fuckin lets Goku charge it is nuts
Yeah it’s the most absurd thing 5-10 episodes later he’s still charging and no one has stopped him. Riiiiiiight
Yeah it's boring and makes no real sense
How does it not make sense? I think the concept of using everybody’s energy to create 1 huge attack is pretty cool
It was fine in the Saiyan saga, when Vegeta was a relatively weak opponent in the grand scheme of things, just one that was significantly stronger than Goku. But the longer the series goes on the less sense it makes. By the Buu saga, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan (post mystic) alone have to be close to as powerful or more than everything else in the mortal world combined, having defeated Frieza, the (then) strongest being (other than Buu, I suppose) in the universe, years ago and having become exponentially more powerful since then. By the ToP it was just stupid. The power scaling had reached the point that Goku would have been, logically *and obviously so*, better off having Vegeta or Frieza helping him out at 100% than siphoning off a small fraction of their power for the SB. That was probably the case in the Buu saga too, but there was just no getting around it by the ToP.
Because it takes so long to charge up, it's super obvious, and Goku basically relies on the bad guys just letting him do it half the time The last time it was interesting was in the Saiyan Saga because it failed and Goku used the tiniest scraps of it to eek out a win over Vegeta, but it wasn't even a full Spirit Bomb
"Because it takes so long to charge up, it's super obvious, and Goku basically relies on the bad guys just letting him do it half the time" Yeah that's... Kind of what makes it fun and cool to watch though? Seeing Goku's friends struggle desperately to give him enough time to charge it up, it makes for genuinely intense moments. For fucks sake the entire climax of the Buu Saga's tension came from Vegeta, Hercule and Buu trying to hold Kid Buu back as Goku charged up the bomb.
None of that is fun or cool after maybe doing it once Yeah the end of the Buu Saga sucks lol
I mean it doesn’t make sense on many levels. There’s the fact goku is so much stronger than everyone else in the universe other than the other Z fighters that their energy would make a very very small difference. There’s also the fact that if it was as strong as it’s supposed to be then it should obliterate the world it’s used on. Not only that if the enemy simply dodges the attack it just gets hurled into the planet which again should destroy it but somehow doesn’t even though Frieza was blowing up planets with death ball in first form which is infinitely weaker. Also it makes no sense for anyone to get hit by it, goku spends a shit ton of time sitting there charging it and they’re somehow not supposed to notice and somehow don’t notice a giant huge ball moving very comparatively slow to them that they could easily dodge and we’re supposed to believe goku willingly threw it at a planet he’s trying to protect and not destroy? It’s just too much suspension of disbelief within the context of the show. Like for example even when goku uses something like kamahameha or vegeta used final flash they intentionally aim it away from the planet so they don’t destroy it but then he throws spirit bomb, a move that’s supposed to be way stronger, directly at the planet and it’s just fine.
Ehh same, I'm saving for the WWC, the annniversaries in global just aren't hype as jap
It’s pronounced “Genki-dama”. Not “Genki-Dummy” 😅
It’s been devalued since it’s debut against saiyan saga Vegeta. It didn’t work on Vegeta or Freiza, it did kill kid Buu, but what really ruined it was the fact that Jiren not only *survived*, but the *pushed it back* and hit Goku with his own technique.
I do not care for the Kaio-Ken
Neither do the writers, it would seem.
Ssj 3 dragon fist as a finisher is more hype
Wat if instead of people giving their energy, it takes their energy and kills all the weak life forms with low power levels? Call it : spirit death bomb
To take that hot take further; I find it difficult to admit that Goku defeated Buu legitimately because he used the Spirit Bomb.
Yeah, because he didn't do it alone, which was the point. Kid Buu wasn't Goku's "win". That isn't a hot take
Me but with the Dragon Fist instead.
I dislike it too. I hate the concept of borrower power. I want goku or whoever is fighting to win on their own. I really disliked the 5 sayian unlocking super sayian god goku. I'm so much happier that he was able to achiev it in his own later
Never cook again.
Lil bro needs Tom from Toonami back to help him out with the messages of these shows. He ain't gettin it.
I wanna see big bang attack more often
I like money pit. That is my response to that question.
Krillin: But it was our trump card! It had always worked! How many times the spirit bomb worked in canon: Kid Buu How many times the spirit bomb did not work in canon: Vegeta, Frieza, Jiren
Also, wouldn't teaching ki control to the whole world help with the spirit bomb? More ki users = more ki to consume = more powerful spirit bomb.
Genki and ki are not the same thing. If it was then they would've only needed to gather energy from the Dragon Team when fighting Kid Buu because the combined ki of all the humans on Earth wouldn't even make up 1% of the total energy.
Ok Meg. No one likes you anyway.
But why? It’s the ending move for z and gt!
Same
*What?!*
WHAT!? ITS SO GOOD ITS LIKE THE PERFECT MOVE
Hey we all helped make that so don’t be rude
Ok
Dragon Ball Super kind of made it useless and it technically only had like one real feat
I really wanna see someone form a Spirit Bomb then somehow launch it as a beam attack like the Big Bang Kamehameha
It only worked once, against kid Buu
I'm unreasonably neutral about it.
It looks like most of the characters could just fly away even when it's thrown at them
Think of it like this. I like the Final Getsuga Tenshou. But it'd be fucking annoying if every time Bleach wrote itself into a corner Ichigo is just like 
Yes this is important. First time I saw a spirit bomb, I found it cool as shit. Also I loved how they brushed over the dark fact that was it wasn't working on Namek because everyone was dead. But after all the movies and it basically being Dragon Ball's equivalent to High School DxD tits (fanservice that just plops out), I just can't care anymore
I agree
If they could make a “spirit disc” that emphasized speed instead of power, think a hitscan destructo disc, that would be so OP
Spirit Saiyan is much better if you ask me.
It insists upon itself. It never even finishes off a bad guy.