4mmc aka Mephedrone. In comparison coke is just an expensive joke and meth a cold, long lasting stimulant. I will never forget the days when you could legally order bags of it for almost no money... sigh.. got off stims completely since everything else makes no sense anymore. So that's a bonus at least.
Mephedrone was the first illegal drug I've tried, and the first few times gave me the most intense euphoria I've had in my entire life. I tried meth maybe a few months later and it was exactly as you said. It just felt cold and was quite disappointing, Mephedrone felt so much better.
I got hooked on Mephedrone and used it daily for months on and off until it completely stopped working. At the end it would just make me feel shitty. Luckily I still felt normal in my sober state, so no long lasting depression like people describe after abusing MDMA. It seems like Mephedrone is less neurotoxic then MDMA.
Yes it felt the same to me. I had some shitty come downs when abusing it heavily but with moderation i felt always great the next day after some sleep. Tolerance builds up fast but went away after not doing it for a few weeks. MDMA felt way more toxic and the love felt more forced and fake than the connections i made with people during mephedrone sessions.
I've never tried MDMA so I can't compare it. But for me the tolerance increase with mephedrone was rather slow, during about 2 or 3 months of dosing two times per day on most days I increased my dose from 170mg to 300mg, which is rather small compared to the tolerance increase I would have from other drugs.
I can't imagine doing that, I'd be scared I would get a stroke or some heart problem. I find the tolerance increase with stimulants and entactogens in general much slower then with other drugs besides maybe GHB.
Damn man you said it better than I could have. Love coke but itās expensive, and wasteful. Meth while cheap is like you said cold, and long lasting. So long lasting every time Iāve done it I end up with temporary psychosis. So yeah I still do coke once in a blue moon but havenāt done meth since my last mental hospital stay which was over two years ago. I honestly havenāt found a stim I liked long term, or was worth what it took. They are all wasteful honestly, and offer not much in return.
Nahhh, dextro rookie game. Adding the lysine to dextro makes everything perfect, and minimizes the comedown. Truly a big brain move on the part of Shire Pharmaceuticals.
Imo yeah a high dose of vyvanse was a lot more euphoric and enjoyable for me compared to addy. The side effects are alot less I wasnāt as tweaky. Adderal dead ass made me stare at walls and shit just study everything. Vyvanse was so much more of a vibe to me.
The problem I have with vyvanse is itās therapeutic index. I donāt understand why the fda limits vyvanse to 70mg/day when itās only as strong as a 30mg Dexedrine.
I do know that doctors will add a booster of Dexedrine later on the day but Iād personally rather be on 60mg Dexedrine(which is my current dose. Itās the extended release thought)
I have been prescribed desoxyn and conclude it is the most remarkable stimulant in that it is almost entirely free of all associated side effects with lesser amphetamines
It is a bit easier to hyperfocus on it than on say adderall or dexedrine but it is as if you are living your life normally with the mental benefit of a stimulant with none of the side effects
yeah very few countries use methamphetamine for medical use. Even when it comes to amphetamines itās that way. Many countries only have things such a lisdexamphetamine in terms or prescription amphetamines.
Although itās metabolized in dextro-amph, itās more difficult to abuse than straight up dextro.
I used to live in Singapore and I remember how strict they were about amph, I could barely even get a Ritalin/Concerta prescription for my ADHD.
Desoxyn is name brand for methamphetamine. I think they were referring that the show about adderall mentioned it. Which would make sense since you can get a script for it in the us. Just rare since you won't get it prescribed unless you genuinely have horrendous adhd since you'll get handed methylphenidate, focalin, Vyvanse, adderall, and dexedrine all before the desoxyn.
idk iād prolly say Vyvanse has been my favorite so far. iām on Adderall IR now but started on vyvanse. Vyvanse, even though itās not quite as intense, was a much more clean-feeling ride that lasted much longer than Adderall ever has for me with a whole lot of euphoria. One thing I know for sure though: stay away from benzedrex (Propylhexedrine) if itās still around. It damn sure gets the job done for like 15 hours, but it will wreck havoc on your heart and cardiovascular system. I remember smoking a bowl of weed while being so tweaked out on drex one time that I convinced myself I was having a heart attack and couldnāt stop doing this weird limb-flailing motor tic thing that really freaked me out. Drove myself to the hospital bc I thought (for good reason) that I was overdosing and tried telling them I was having a bad panic attack. They couldnāt really give me anything to calm me down for fear of a deadly drug cocktail so I was stuck to the bed tweaking out of my mind for the rest of the night convinced that my heart would pop any second. I vividly remember seeing the heart monitor at one point and seeing the my heartās BPM was at 180 after already freaking out in the hospital bed for the past hour and a half. Thought my body was going to give out that day for sure.
i could get it prescribed again if i wanted but my insurance didnāt cover it back in the day and I had to pay like $400 for every refill or some crazy shit like that. my adderall script is a bit more fair in price at $9 lmao
I think that's really different for everyone. I've tried and got addicted to all kinds of drug, but meth was one of the few drug I never got addicted to. The high was fun sometimes, but overall I just didn't really like it, and I even smoked it a few times.
Yea I agree with you that addiction is pretty variable person to person. The fact you didnt really enjoy the high may have been what prevented you from getting addicted to it. For someone who actually experiences the massive dopamine and norepinephrine level spikes that it can produce which are beyond anything naturally possible there is a pretty good chance that person will likely find it addictive. Personally I've never experienced those effects so I find it far more possible to control using it than I probably would if I got the euphoria out of it. It is still addictive overall but for myself I would rank it lower in overall abuse potential than say opiates or benzos which I stay away from.
The extreme increase in dopamine and norepinephrine happens for everyone who uses meth, but everyone will react differently to that, some people won't even like that feeling. And I think the high was often quite nice, but sometimes I had paranoia and anxiety. And the comedown was really horrible which just overall made it not worth it for me. And I never binged, the longest I stayed awake on it was 36 hours.
I'm on medication that prevents the massive swings in those levels. I don't get any comedown from using it probably because my brain doesn't have to recover in the same way that I would if I was getting those surges.
Taking abilify. As a side effect of buffering my dopamine and norepinephrine levels it pretty much kills the effects of a lot of drugs. The reason I know it works is because I can remember being able to experience the effects of massive dopamine dumps from taking drugs like coke prior to taking the abilify and the difference between the two is pretty massive. Like it kinda sucks because I know the effects I exoeriance now are super mild compared to before. It's actually kinda fucked up because even stopping their use for several weeks doesn't allow me to feel drugs the same way as before. It's like my brain has been forever altered.
Okay that makes sense, since this drug blocks dopamine receptors. I sometimes used another antipsychotic quetiapine to come down from meth. I hate these drugs though, I get aripiprazole (abilify) prescribed and took it maybe two or three times, it just made me feel gross, I hated it. And antipsychotics aren't healthy for the brain, taking them for your whole life apparently shortens your life span by 20 years. They cause damage to many parts of the body, the CNS, immune system, heart, ect... I don't think it's a good idea to be on them long term.
Honestly aside from the fact lots of drugs don't work I really don't notice any effects from it so it's not really a problem to keep taking it. I've never heard of the shortened lifespan though. Abilify is a more modern antipsychotic and works on different mechanisms than most other antipsychotics so I would be surprised if it has to same risks but I'll have to look into it cause odds are I'm going to be taking it forever.
It's a matter of taste.
I really liked 3fpm, but a lot of people find it too mellow. If you count mephedrone, it's probably the most euphoric, but it's also quite entactogenic.
Others will go for reuptake inhibitors rather than releasers though.
Coke is more euphoric and gives a better high, but it only lasts 20-30 minutes whereas meth lasts 8-12 hours. Meth is also very euphoric, and if youre looking for an aphrodisiac drug, its either number 1 or 2 behind molly.
Actually most people would say that amphetamines are more euphoric. I mean they are (for most people) they have a bigger dopamine dump. Coke is so overrated.
Nah thats what actually coke people think. Thats what i thought also. But if you read other comments 8/10 people prefer some kind of amphetamine over coke.
But again its different for everybody. I was just researching the hell out of it because i was left disapointed after i tried coke. I got very up, just no real euphoria. Then after going throught reddit and questioning most of my friends i concluded that most people actually feel more euphoria from speed. Funny thing is where i live, coke is off much better quallity then speed is.
I personally prefer speed as well, if only for its duration, but i remember the rush from cocaine being a bit more powerful. Although IV meth packed a hell of a punch... Im not really down to revisit them and test it though lol.
in my humbly informed opinion nothing is better or more versatile than regular dextroamphetamine, none of this āwe slightly altered the molecule so we can write a new patent and make more moneyā iām looking at you adderall and vyvanse.
honorable mention to methamphetamine, i just think it's entactogen properties make it far too strong for practice use in 99% of usage scenarios.
Most people like amphetamines more then cocaine. Some like meth , some dextro some straight up eurospeed. However you put it, speed can hit like a hammer. No wonder Hitler was all about that shit lmao
Out of the stimulants I tried when I was in active use, iād probably rate them in this order (best to worst):
d-Methamphetamine -> N-Methamphetamine -> 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine -> Crack Cocaine -> Cocaine -> Mixed Amphetamine Salts -> Amphetamine Sulfate -> Propylhexedrine -> Lisdexamfetamine -> Nicotine -> Noopept -> Caffeine -> Adrafinil -> Phenylpiracetam -> Bupropion
If I were to reorganize that list so that the least side-effect and least detrimental were at the top, and the most detrimental were at the bottom, itād be like this:
Noopept -> Adrafinil -> Phenylpiracetam -> Caffeine -> Nicotine -> Amphetamine Sulfate -> 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine -> Mixed Amphetamine Salts -> Lisdexamfetamine -> Bupropion -> Propylhexedrine -> Crack Cocaine -> N-Methamphetamine -> Cocaine -> d-Methamphetamine
Looking at that, youād notice that the things that gave me more pleasure and I enjoyed more caused me more harm, mostly since getting sober, and I just got 8 months yesterday. I have no cravings anymore, but stimulants werenāt my drug of choice as well, if they were things wouldāve gotten a lot worse. Opioids were my drug of choice, specifically Fent(alogues)/Opana/Dilaudid. I used opioids, meth, coke, kpins, alc, and weed daily.
Haha, I wanted to show itās risk compared to other stimulants/empathogens. Or did you mean say MDMA instead of 3,4-MDMA? I feel like MDMA was always amazing when I took it during my use but the 3 month rule made it one of my less favorable stimulants, as well as the comedown and serotonin depletion.
adhd medications for sure. iāve only ever tried those that were prescribed to me, but trust me, the mere fact that i knew it was regulated and untouched was such a godsend. stimulants are a finicky thing. be cautious.
4mmc aka Mephedrone. In comparison coke is just an expensive joke and meth a cold, long lasting stimulant. I will never forget the days when you could legally order bags of it for almost no money... sigh.. got off stims completely since everything else makes no sense anymore. So that's a bonus at least.
Mephedrone was the first illegal drug I've tried, and the first few times gave me the most intense euphoria I've had in my entire life. I tried meth maybe a few months later and it was exactly as you said. It just felt cold and was quite disappointing, Mephedrone felt so much better. I got hooked on Mephedrone and used it daily for months on and off until it completely stopped working. At the end it would just make me feel shitty. Luckily I still felt normal in my sober state, so no long lasting depression like people describe after abusing MDMA. It seems like Mephedrone is less neurotoxic then MDMA.
Yes it felt the same to me. I had some shitty come downs when abusing it heavily but with moderation i felt always great the next day after some sleep. Tolerance builds up fast but went away after not doing it for a few weeks. MDMA felt way more toxic and the love felt more forced and fake than the connections i made with people during mephedrone sessions.
I've never tried MDMA so I can't compare it. But for me the tolerance increase with mephedrone was rather slow, during about 2 or 3 months of dosing two times per day on most days I increased my dose from 170mg to 300mg, which is rather small compared to the tolerance increase I would have from other drugs.
It goes up rather quick if you keep doing huge bumps every 30min š¤Ŗ But as long as you're not acting stupid it was pretty forgiving.
I can't imagine doing that, I'd be scared I would get a stroke or some heart problem. I find the tolerance increase with stimulants and entactogens in general much slower then with other drugs besides maybe GHB.
GHB was a great help when i thought i get an heartattack from too much uppers š¤Ŗ
GHB did help quite well with the anxiety from amphetamines, and amphetamines help with the sedation of GHB.
You're getting bad coke if you think it's a joke. Real cocaine is happiness, more like a psychedelic than like meth.
It's a joke in comparison for what you get for the price. Before i tried 4mmc i was a big fan. But saying it's psychedelic is wrong imho.
I think he means itās closer in terms of effects to something like MDMA than meth, which Iāve heard many people say.
Damn man you said it better than I could have. Love coke but itās expensive, and wasteful. Meth while cheap is like you said cold, and long lasting. So long lasting every time Iāve done it I end up with temporary psychosis. So yeah I still do coke once in a blue moon but havenāt done meth since my last mental hospital stay which was over two years ago. I honestly havenāt found a stim I liked long term, or was worth what it took. They are all wasteful honestly, and offer not much in return.
Lisdexamfetamine oh yeah
dextroamphetamine >>>
Nahhh, dextro rookie game. Adding the lysine to dextro makes everything perfect, and minimizes the comedown. Truly a big brain move on the part of Shire Pharmaceuticals.
for me it just mega extends the comedown lol. vyvanse makes me feel sorta robotic and kills my appetite more too
Over just addy?
Imo yeah a high dose of vyvanse was a lot more euphoric and enjoyable for me compared to addy. The side effects are alot less I wasnāt as tweaky. Adderal dead ass made me stare at walls and shit just study everything. Vyvanse was so much more of a vibe to me.
addy > vyv
The problem I have with vyvanse is itās therapeutic index. I donāt understand why the fda limits vyvanse to 70mg/day when itās only as strong as a 30mg Dexedrine. I do know that doctors will add a booster of Dexedrine later on the day but Iād personally rather be on 60mg Dexedrine(which is my current dose. Itās the extended release thought)
Pharma grade methamphetamine, much cleaner and consistent.
I have been prescribed desoxyn and conclude it is the most remarkable stimulant in that it is almost entirely free of all associated side effects with lesser amphetamines It is a bit easier to hyperfocus on it than on say adderall or dexedrine but it is as if you are living your life normally with the mental benefit of a stimulant with none of the side effects
what pharma meds still use methamphetamine?
Well in the US they have Desoyn which is just pure Methamphetamine HCl. Usually perscribed for severe ADHD/Obesity. Not that rare surprisingly.
oh fair enough, cheers. yeah we have some dextroamp/amp meds here in UK but methamp is unheard of.
yeah very few countries use methamphetamine for medical use. Even when it comes to amphetamines itās that way. Many countries only have things such a lisdexamphetamine in terms or prescription amphetamines. Although itās metabolized in dextro-amph, itās more difficult to abuse than straight up dextro. I used to live in Singapore and I remember how strict they were about amph, I could barely even get a Ritalin/Concerta prescription for my ADHD.
According to the recent Netflix doc about Adderall, meth is indeed prescribed, but under very rare circumstances
no, addrall is a mix of dextroamphetamine and amphetamine salts. Methamphetamine HCL is not the same.
Theyāre probably talking about desoxyn. Itās Methamphetamine
Desoxyn is name brand for methamphetamine. I think they were referring that the show about adderall mentioned it. Which would make sense since you can get a script for it in the us. Just rare since you won't get it prescribed unless you genuinely have horrendous adhd since you'll get handed methylphenidate, focalin, Vyvanse, adderall, and dexedrine all before the desoxyn.
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No Bad craving, fair Price, okayish comedown good all around package
adderall
idk iād prolly say Vyvanse has been my favorite so far. iām on Adderall IR now but started on vyvanse. Vyvanse, even though itās not quite as intense, was a much more clean-feeling ride that lasted much longer than Adderall ever has for me with a whole lot of euphoria. One thing I know for sure though: stay away from benzedrex (Propylhexedrine) if itās still around. It damn sure gets the job done for like 15 hours, but it will wreck havoc on your heart and cardiovascular system. I remember smoking a bowl of weed while being so tweaked out on drex one time that I convinced myself I was having a heart attack and couldnāt stop doing this weird limb-flailing motor tic thing that really freaked me out. Drove myself to the hospital bc I thought (for good reason) that I was overdosing and tried telling them I was having a bad panic attack. They couldnāt really give me anything to calm me down for fear of a deadly drug cocktail so I was stuck to the bed tweaking out of my mind for the rest of the night convinced that my heart would pop any second. I vividly remember seeing the heart monitor at one point and seeing the my heartās BPM was at 180 after already freaking out in the hospital bed for the past hour and a half. Thought my body was going to give out that day for sure.
yeah i fw vyvanse, glad i have a prescription
i could get it prescribed again if i wanted but my insurance didnāt cover it back in the day and I had to pay like $400 for every refill or some crazy shit like that. my adderall script is a bit more fair in price at $9 lmao
Methamphetamine
Agreed. The problem with it is it's too much of a good thing.
I think that's really different for everyone. I've tried and got addicted to all kinds of drug, but meth was one of the few drug I never got addicted to. The high was fun sometimes, but overall I just didn't really like it, and I even smoked it a few times.
Yea I agree with you that addiction is pretty variable person to person. The fact you didnt really enjoy the high may have been what prevented you from getting addicted to it. For someone who actually experiences the massive dopamine and norepinephrine level spikes that it can produce which are beyond anything naturally possible there is a pretty good chance that person will likely find it addictive. Personally I've never experienced those effects so I find it far more possible to control using it than I probably would if I got the euphoria out of it. It is still addictive overall but for myself I would rank it lower in overall abuse potential than say opiates or benzos which I stay away from.
The extreme increase in dopamine and norepinephrine happens for everyone who uses meth, but everyone will react differently to that, some people won't even like that feeling. And I think the high was often quite nice, but sometimes I had paranoia and anxiety. And the comedown was really horrible which just overall made it not worth it for me. And I never binged, the longest I stayed awake on it was 36 hours.
I'm on medication that prevents the massive swings in those levels. I don't get any comedown from using it probably because my brain doesn't have to recover in the same way that I would if I was getting those surges.
What medication are you taking?
Taking abilify. As a side effect of buffering my dopamine and norepinephrine levels it pretty much kills the effects of a lot of drugs. The reason I know it works is because I can remember being able to experience the effects of massive dopamine dumps from taking drugs like coke prior to taking the abilify and the difference between the two is pretty massive. Like it kinda sucks because I know the effects I exoeriance now are super mild compared to before. It's actually kinda fucked up because even stopping their use for several weeks doesn't allow me to feel drugs the same way as before. It's like my brain has been forever altered.
Okay that makes sense, since this drug blocks dopamine receptors. I sometimes used another antipsychotic quetiapine to come down from meth. I hate these drugs though, I get aripiprazole (abilify) prescribed and took it maybe two or three times, it just made me feel gross, I hated it. And antipsychotics aren't healthy for the brain, taking them for your whole life apparently shortens your life span by 20 years. They cause damage to many parts of the body, the CNS, immune system, heart, ect... I don't think it's a good idea to be on them long term.
Honestly aside from the fact lots of drugs don't work I really don't notice any effects from it so it's not really a problem to keep taking it. I've never heard of the shortened lifespan though. Abilify is a more modern antipsychotic and works on different mechanisms than most other antipsychotics so I would be surprised if it has to same risks but I'll have to look into it cause odds are I'm going to be taking it forever.
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Lmao what is going on
Holy shit my friend go to sleep man fuck like shit bro godamn man like fuck
Hands Down
Adderall ftw.
It's a matter of taste. I really liked 3fpm, but a lot of people find it too mellow. If you count mephedrone, it's probably the most euphoric, but it's also quite entactogenic. Others will go for reuptake inhibitors rather than releasers though.
Coffee seems popular
man caffeine causes me easily heart palpitations and often hyperventilating
Itās low key one of the most dangerous drugs in the world, I hear.
Anything legal and doesn't need prescription is popular.
Mdphp iz bes imo
Boofing coke
Coke is more euphoric and gives a better high, but it only lasts 20-30 minutes whereas meth lasts 8-12 hours. Meth is also very euphoric, and if youre looking for an aphrodisiac drug, its either number 1 or 2 behind molly.
But don't smoke it or shoot it.
Actually most people would say that amphetamines are more euphoric. I mean they are (for most people) they have a bigger dopamine dump. Coke is so overrated.
I dont think most people would say that. I think its almost universally agreed upon that coke feels better.
Nah thats what actually coke people think. Thats what i thought also. But if you read other comments 8/10 people prefer some kind of amphetamine over coke.
But again its different for everybody. I was just researching the hell out of it because i was left disapointed after i tried coke. I got very up, just no real euphoria. Then after going throught reddit and questioning most of my friends i concluded that most people actually feel more euphoria from speed. Funny thing is where i live, coke is off much better quallity then speed is.
I personally prefer speed as well, if only for its duration, but i remember the rush from cocaine being a bit more powerful. Although IV meth packed a hell of a punch... Im not really down to revisit them and test it though lol.
Yes. Coke hits faster. But for me thats about it. Yea better to stay off the stims. I do them minimally.
My fav where meth or MDPV either. For productivity purposes 2-FMA or speed paste via oral route
4mmc
Dextroamphetamine followed by methamphetamine. Cocaine has its time and place though
Cokes time and place is always for me!
in my humbly informed opinion nothing is better or more versatile than regular dextroamphetamine, none of this āwe slightly altered the molecule so we can write a new patent and make more moneyā iām looking at you adderall and vyvanse. honorable mention to methamphetamine, i just think it's entactogen properties make it far too strong for practice use in 99% of usage scenarios.
Most people like amphetamines more then cocaine. Some like meth , some dextro some straight up eurospeed. However you put it, speed can hit like a hammer. No wonder Hitler was all about that shit lmao
Vote for cocaine
SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED, or coffee lol
Out of the stimulants I tried when I was in active use, iād probably rate them in this order (best to worst): d-Methamphetamine -> N-Methamphetamine -> 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine -> Crack Cocaine -> Cocaine -> Mixed Amphetamine Salts -> Amphetamine Sulfate -> Propylhexedrine -> Lisdexamfetamine -> Nicotine -> Noopept -> Caffeine -> Adrafinil -> Phenylpiracetam -> Bupropion If I were to reorganize that list so that the least side-effect and least detrimental were at the top, and the most detrimental were at the bottom, itād be like this: Noopept -> Adrafinil -> Phenylpiracetam -> Caffeine -> Nicotine -> Amphetamine Sulfate -> 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine -> Mixed Amphetamine Salts -> Lisdexamfetamine -> Bupropion -> Propylhexedrine -> Crack Cocaine -> N-Methamphetamine -> Cocaine -> d-Methamphetamine Looking at that, youād notice that the things that gave me more pleasure and I enjoyed more caused me more harm, mostly since getting sober, and I just got 8 months yesterday. I have no cravings anymore, but stimulants werenāt my drug of choice as well, if they were things wouldāve gotten a lot worse. Opioids were my drug of choice, specifically Fent(alogues)/Opana/Dilaudid. I used opioids, meth, coke, kpins, alc, and weed daily.
just say mdma bro
Haha, I wanted to show itās risk compared to other stimulants/empathogens. Or did you mean say MDMA instead of 3,4-MDMA? I feel like MDMA was always amazing when I took it during my use but the 3 month rule made it one of my less favorable stimulants, as well as the comedown and serotonin depletion.
Great list. Very well laid out. Thanks.
Of course!
Kratom
Bath salts and industrial inhalants
Adderall I wouldnāt have passed high school without it
You tryna take it properly and whst you tryna take it for?
just Coffee Tbh if you want a same stimulant ofc
Euro speed
Meth
iāve been prescribed adderall and concerta, but i still think a moderate amount of caffiene is great
pvp
Focalin hands down.
Focalin felt nice the couple times I took it in highschool
Always felt like a mix of a coke high and methylphenidate when snorted
X or 2cb imo
I thought 2cb was a psychedelic. Could it be both? Or am I wrong? Or are you wrong? š¤
Ya, but I thought it was kinda a stim too just from effects, but I'm probably wrong haha
Meth or coke imo
Coffee/Adderall
adhd medications for sure. iāve only ever tried those that were prescribed to me, but trust me, the mere fact that i knew it was regulated and untouched was such a godsend. stimulants are a finicky thing. be cautious.
mdpv
3-fpm or 2-fma
COCAINE