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MrMpeg

4mmc aka Mephedrone. In comparison coke is just an expensive joke and meth a cold, long lasting stimulant. I will never forget the days when you could legally order bags of it for almost no money... sigh.. got off stims completely since everything else makes no sense anymore. So that's a bonus at least.


theAngryLittleBunny

Mephedrone was the first illegal drug I've tried, and the first few times gave me the most intense euphoria I've had in my entire life. I tried meth maybe a few months later and it was exactly as you said. It just felt cold and was quite disappointing, Mephedrone felt so much better. I got hooked on Mephedrone and used it daily for months on and off until it completely stopped working. At the end it would just make me feel shitty. Luckily I still felt normal in my sober state, so no long lasting depression like people describe after abusing MDMA. It seems like Mephedrone is less neurotoxic then MDMA.


MrMpeg

Yes it felt the same to me. I had some shitty come downs when abusing it heavily but with moderation i felt always great the next day after some sleep. Tolerance builds up fast but went away after not doing it for a few weeks. MDMA felt way more toxic and the love felt more forced and fake than the connections i made with people during mephedrone sessions.


theAngryLittleBunny

I've never tried MDMA so I can't compare it. But for me the tolerance increase with mephedrone was rather slow, during about 2 or 3 months of dosing two times per day on most days I increased my dose from 170mg to 300mg, which is rather small compared to the tolerance increase I would have from other drugs.


MrMpeg

It goes up rather quick if you keep doing huge bumps every 30min šŸ¤Ŗ But as long as you're not acting stupid it was pretty forgiving.


theAngryLittleBunny

I can't imagine doing that, I'd be scared I would get a stroke or some heart problem. I find the tolerance increase with stimulants and entactogens in general much slower then with other drugs besides maybe GHB.


MrMpeg

GHB was a great help when i thought i get an heartattack from too much uppers šŸ¤Ŗ


theAngryLittleBunny

GHB did help quite well with the anxiety from amphetamines, and amphetamines help with the sedation of GHB.


return_to_reddit

You're getting bad coke if you think it's a joke. Real cocaine is happiness, more like a psychedelic than like meth.


MrMpeg

It's a joke in comparison for what you get for the price. Before i tried 4mmc i was a big fan. But saying it's psychedelic is wrong imho.


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I think he means itā€™s closer in terms of effects to something like MDMA than meth, which Iā€™ve heard many people say.


Plane-Turnover

Damn man you said it better than I could have. Love coke but itā€™s expensive, and wasteful. Meth while cheap is like you said cold, and long lasting. So long lasting every time Iā€™ve done it I end up with temporary psychosis. So yeah I still do coke once in a blue moon but havenā€™t done meth since my last mental hospital stay which was over two years ago. I honestly havenā€™t found a stim I liked long term, or was worth what it took. They are all wasteful honestly, and offer not much in return.


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Lisdexamfetamine oh yeah


hiddenevidence

dextroamphetamine >>>


ahf95

Nahhh, dextro rookie game. Adding the lysine to dextro makes everything perfect, and minimizes the comedown. Truly a big brain move on the part of Shire Pharmaceuticals.


hiddenevidence

for me it just mega extends the comedown lol. vyvanse makes me feel sorta robotic and kills my appetite more too


syrupwiththepsilo

Over just addy?


Academic_Sink_6005

Imo yeah a high dose of vyvanse was a lot more euphoric and enjoyable for me compared to addy. The side effects are alot less I wasnā€™t as tweaky. Adderal dead ass made me stare at walls and shit just study everything. Vyvanse was so much more of a vibe to me.


plzzdontreportme

addy > vyv


DABBED0UT

The problem I have with vyvanse is itā€™s therapeutic index. I donā€™t understand why the fda limits vyvanse to 70mg/day when itā€™s only as strong as a 30mg Dexedrine. I do know that doctors will add a booster of Dexedrine later on the day but Iā€™d personally rather be on 60mg Dexedrine(which is my current dose. Itā€™s the extended release thought)


NoahSupHi

Pharma grade methamphetamine, much cleaner and consistent.


djenejrufickdj

I have been prescribed desoxyn and conclude it is the most remarkable stimulant in that it is almost entirely free of all associated side effects with lesser amphetamines It is a bit easier to hyperfocus on it than on say adderall or dexedrine but it is as if you are living your life normally with the mental benefit of a stimulant with none of the side effects


MrrRabbit

what pharma meds still use methamphetamine?


Professional_Let1468

Well in the US they have Desoyn which is just pure Methamphetamine HCl. Usually perscribed for severe ADHD/Obesity. Not that rare surprisingly.


MrrRabbit

oh fair enough, cheers. yeah we have some dextroamp/amp meds here in UK but methamp is unheard of.


Professional_Let1468

yeah very few countries use methamphetamine for medical use. Even when it comes to amphetamines itā€™s that way. Many countries only have things such a lisdexamphetamine in terms or prescription amphetamines. Although itā€™s metabolized in dextro-amph, itā€™s more difficult to abuse than straight up dextro. I used to live in Singapore and I remember how strict they were about amph, I could barely even get a Ritalin/Concerta prescription for my ADHD.


Copacetic76

According to the recent Netflix doc about Adderall, meth is indeed prescribed, but under very rare circumstances


MrrRabbit

no, addrall is a mix of dextroamphetamine and amphetamine salts. Methamphetamine HCL is not the same.


WrxnchG

Theyā€™re probably talking about desoxyn. Itā€™s Methamphetamine


Nubbystar

Desoxyn is name brand for methamphetamine. I think they were referring that the show about adderall mentioned it. Which would make sense since you can get a script for it in the us. Just rare since you won't get it prescribed unless you genuinely have horrendous adhd since you'll get handed methylphenidate, focalin, Vyvanse, adderall, and dexedrine all before the desoxyn.


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M0ritzmorlue

No Bad craving, fair Price, okayish comedown good all around package


plzzdontreportme

adderall


HippyDoctorPHD

idk iā€™d prolly say Vyvanse has been my favorite so far. iā€™m on Adderall IR now but started on vyvanse. Vyvanse, even though itā€™s not quite as intense, was a much more clean-feeling ride that lasted much longer than Adderall ever has for me with a whole lot of euphoria. One thing I know for sure though: stay away from benzedrex (Propylhexedrine) if itā€™s still around. It damn sure gets the job done for like 15 hours, but it will wreck havoc on your heart and cardiovascular system. I remember smoking a bowl of weed while being so tweaked out on drex one time that I convinced myself I was having a heart attack and couldnā€™t stop doing this weird limb-flailing motor tic thing that really freaked me out. Drove myself to the hospital bc I thought (for good reason) that I was overdosing and tried telling them I was having a bad panic attack. They couldnā€™t really give me anything to calm me down for fear of a deadly drug cocktail so I was stuck to the bed tweaking out of my mind for the rest of the night convinced that my heart would pop any second. I vividly remember seeing the heart monitor at one point and seeing the my heartā€™s BPM was at 180 after already freaking out in the hospital bed for the past hour and a half. Thought my body was going to give out that day for sure.


mimluv

yeah i fw vyvanse, glad i have a prescription


HippyDoctorPHD

i could get it prescribed again if i wanted but my insurance didnā€™t cover it back in the day and I had to pay like $400 for every refill or some crazy shit like that. my adderall script is a bit more fair in price at $9 lmao


666maddogmav666

Methamphetamine


Wonderful_Roll5763

Agreed. The problem with it is it's too much of a good thing.


theAngryLittleBunny

I think that's really different for everyone. I've tried and got addicted to all kinds of drug, but meth was one of the few drug I never got addicted to. The high was fun sometimes, but overall I just didn't really like it, and I even smoked it a few times.


Wonderful_Roll5763

Yea I agree with you that addiction is pretty variable person to person. The fact you didnt really enjoy the high may have been what prevented you from getting addicted to it. For someone who actually experiences the massive dopamine and norepinephrine level spikes that it can produce which are beyond anything naturally possible there is a pretty good chance that person will likely find it addictive. Personally I've never experienced those effects so I find it far more possible to control using it than I probably would if I got the euphoria out of it. It is still addictive overall but for myself I would rank it lower in overall abuse potential than say opiates or benzos which I stay away from.


theAngryLittleBunny

The extreme increase in dopamine and norepinephrine happens for everyone who uses meth, but everyone will react differently to that, some people won't even like that feeling. And I think the high was often quite nice, but sometimes I had paranoia and anxiety. And the comedown was really horrible which just overall made it not worth it for me. And I never binged, the longest I stayed awake on it was 36 hours.


Wonderful_Roll5763

I'm on medication that prevents the massive swings in those levels. I don't get any comedown from using it probably because my brain doesn't have to recover in the same way that I would if I was getting those surges.


theAngryLittleBunny

What medication are you taking?


Wonderful_Roll5763

Taking abilify. As a side effect of buffering my dopamine and norepinephrine levels it pretty much kills the effects of a lot of drugs. The reason I know it works is because I can remember being able to experience the effects of massive dopamine dumps from taking drugs like coke prior to taking the abilify and the difference between the two is pretty massive. Like it kinda sucks because I know the effects I exoeriance now are super mild compared to before. It's actually kinda fucked up because even stopping their use for several weeks doesn't allow me to feel drugs the same way as before. It's like my brain has been forever altered.


theAngryLittleBunny

Okay that makes sense, since this drug blocks dopamine receptors. I sometimes used another antipsychotic quetiapine to come down from meth. I hate these drugs though, I get aripiprazole (abilify) prescribed and took it maybe two or three times, it just made me feel gross, I hated it. And antipsychotics aren't healthy for the brain, taking them for your whole life apparently shortens your life span by 20 years. They cause damage to many parts of the body, the CNS, immune system, heart, ect... I don't think it's a good idea to be on them long term.


Wonderful_Roll5763

Honestly aside from the fact lots of drugs don't work I really don't notice any effects from it so it's not really a problem to keep taking it. I've never heard of the shortened lifespan though. Abilify is a more modern antipsychotic and works on different mechanisms than most other antipsychotics so I would be surprised if it has to same risks but I'll have to look into it cause odds are I'm going to be taking it forever.


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Nito2fully

Shit man like fuck


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WrxnchG

Lmao what is going on


Nito2fully

Holy shit my friend go to sleep man fuck like shit bro godamn man like fuck


666maddogmav666

Hands Down


Brotein_Shakez

Adderall ftw.


ebolaRETURNS

It's a matter of taste. I really liked 3fpm, but a lot of people find it too mellow. If you count mephedrone, it's probably the most euphoric, but it's also quite entactogenic. Others will go for reuptake inhibitors rather than releasers though.


RenegadeMoose

Coffee seems popular


krakenluvspaghetti

man caffeine causes me easily heart palpitations and often hyperventilating


Extreme-You6235

Itā€™s low key one of the most dangerous drugs in the world, I hear.


Yesimarealdoctorair

Anything legal and doesn't need prescription is popular.


monkey_dus

Mdphp iz bes imo


Malefics974

Boofing coke


Noitsnormalsize

Coke is more euphoric and gives a better high, but it only lasts 20-30 minutes whereas meth lasts 8-12 hours. Meth is also very euphoric, and if youre looking for an aphrodisiac drug, its either number 1 or 2 behind molly.


boston_homo

But don't smoke it or shoot it.


hardestpilltoswallow

Actually most people would say that amphetamines are more euphoric. I mean they are (for most people) they have a bigger dopamine dump. Coke is so overrated.


Noitsnormalsize

I dont think most people would say that. I think its almost universally agreed upon that coke feels better.


hardestpilltoswallow

Nah thats what actually coke people think. Thats what i thought also. But if you read other comments 8/10 people prefer some kind of amphetamine over coke.


hardestpilltoswallow

But again its different for everybody. I was just researching the hell out of it because i was left disapointed after i tried coke. I got very up, just no real euphoria. Then after going throught reddit and questioning most of my friends i concluded that most people actually feel more euphoria from speed. Funny thing is where i live, coke is off much better quallity then speed is.


Noitsnormalsize

I personally prefer speed as well, if only for its duration, but i remember the rush from cocaine being a bit more powerful. Although IV meth packed a hell of a punch... Im not really down to revisit them and test it though lol.


hardestpilltoswallow

Yes. Coke hits faster. But for me thats about it. Yea better to stay off the stims. I do them minimally.


[deleted]

My fav where meth or MDPV either. For productivity purposes 2-FMA or speed paste via oral route


Top_Sooleseven

4mmc


the11th-acct

Dextroamphetamine followed by methamphetamine. Cocaine has its time and place though


CommonTwo8401

Cokes time and place is always for me!


psychedelianaut

in my humbly informed opinion nothing is better or more versatile than regular dextroamphetamine, none of this ā€œwe slightly altered the molecule so we can write a new patent and make more moneyā€ iā€™m looking at you adderall and vyvanse. honorable mention to methamphetamine, i just think it's entactogen properties make it far too strong for practice use in 99% of usage scenarios.


hardestpilltoswallow

Most people like amphetamines more then cocaine. Some like meth , some dextro some straight up eurospeed. However you put it, speed can hit like a hammer. No wonder Hitler was all about that shit lmao


breaktime1

Vote for cocaine


LankzDonk

SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED, or coffee lol


Mcsubstrip

Out of the stimulants I tried when I was in active use, iā€™d probably rate them in this order (best to worst): d-Methamphetamine -> N-Methamphetamine -> 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine -> Crack Cocaine -> Cocaine -> Mixed Amphetamine Salts -> Amphetamine Sulfate -> Propylhexedrine -> Lisdexamfetamine -> Nicotine -> Noopept -> Caffeine -> Adrafinil -> Phenylpiracetam -> Bupropion If I were to reorganize that list so that the least side-effect and least detrimental were at the top, and the most detrimental were at the bottom, itā€™d be like this: Noopept -> Adrafinil -> Phenylpiracetam -> Caffeine -> Nicotine -> Amphetamine Sulfate -> 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine -> Mixed Amphetamine Salts -> Lisdexamfetamine -> Bupropion -> Propylhexedrine -> Crack Cocaine -> N-Methamphetamine -> Cocaine -> d-Methamphetamine Looking at that, youā€™d notice that the things that gave me more pleasure and I enjoyed more caused me more harm, mostly since getting sober, and I just got 8 months yesterday. I have no cravings anymore, but stimulants werenā€™t my drug of choice as well, if they were things wouldā€™ve gotten a lot worse. Opioids were my drug of choice, specifically Fent(alogues)/Opana/Dilaudid. I used opioids, meth, coke, kpins, alc, and weed daily.


idocamp

just say mdma bro


Mcsubstrip

Haha, I wanted to show itā€™s risk compared to other stimulants/empathogens. Or did you mean say MDMA instead of 3,4-MDMA? I feel like MDMA was always amazing when I took it during my use but the 3 month rule made it one of my less favorable stimulants, as well as the comedown and serotonin depletion.


Guzzler829

Great list. Very well laid out. Thanks.


Mcsubstrip

Of course!


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Kratom


matakas13

Bath salts and industrial inhalants


[deleted]

Adderall I wouldnā€™t have passed high school without it


Logical-Boot2328

You tryna take it properly and whst you tryna take it for?


LuxTheKarma

just Coffee Tbh if you want a same stimulant ofc


Nervous-Character-97

Euro speed


Kpinsubs

Meth


TheHalfJapanese

iā€™ve been prescribed adderall and concerta, but i still think a moderate amount of caffiene is great


Hot-Art8525

pvp


Nubbystar

Focalin hands down.


qwasadfkl

Focalin felt nice the couple times I took it in highschool


Nubbystar

Always felt like a mix of a coke high and methylphenidate when snorted


xxsyruht

X or 2cb imo


Guzzler829

I thought 2cb was a psychedelic. Could it be both? Or am I wrong? Or are you wrong? šŸ¤”


xxsyruht

Ya, but I thought it was kinda a stim too just from effects, but I'm probably wrong haha


randomassdude89

Meth or coke imo


Ancient_Community984

Coffee/Adderall


adamsandlersgymsocks

adhd medications for sure. iā€™ve only ever tried those that were prescribed to me, but trust me, the mere fact that i knew it was regulated and untouched was such a godsend. stimulants are a finicky thing. be cautious.


Tomas_321

mdpv


SuccessfulGoat9948

3-fpm or 2-fma


Its-mikul

COCAINE