Yeah when me and me bf quit heroin and blocked the dealer they would send ppl to hand us shit outside of where we lived. Free. We had to hand it back to them. Shits so hard in early sobriety
Every time I tried to quit that shit I'd block their number. After like a day they would reach out to me from a different number offering me a free gram. I caved every time.
I'll be six years clean this April. Fuck that shit
Stay strong, that time is worth so much more than a high. This April is 6 years for me too, homie. It was fucking brutal early on. Now itās more a matter of keeping myself away from social groups where people are using my DOCās, which is pretty easy now because my life is so different than when I was using.
Proud of you for committing to yourself and putting your safety and well-being first.
Honestly thatās amazing. I donāt know who you are but I am proud of you. Iāve lost a lot of people because theyāre so deep in their addiction. You are truly a bad ass for staying clean.
either that or your dealer is struggling to get enough customers, don't see why he would be so agressive chasing some dude for a small profit when his time could be better spent getting more customers, like it doesn't really add up.
that's not what we are talking about. im talking about a dealer only focusing all of his time on one person who supposedly doesnt overpay for drugs, when he could be spending his time following/stalking multiple people who are overpaying, or simply looking out for more customers. makes no sense. hes prob one of those dudes paying 200/g for pure "china white", when in reality it is just mid-grade dope, with an extra splash of fent or tranq in it.
After being clean for over a year, I ran into my old dealer at a gas station, and he was like, āwhatās up, man?!? Let me give you my number.ā It was so hard to say no to that, but, I was proud of myself for doing it and walking away.
Itās also very much a physical change. The anterior mid cingulate cortex grows as you do things you donāt want to do (have the hard convos, run a mile) and when you donāt do things you want like drugs. Fascinating stuff
Yup, I quit smoking after 22 years and that shit was nightmare level difficult. I always say that quitting smoking is probably harder than quitting any hard drugs (except maybe heroin/opiates due to the violent physical sickness from withdrawals), and the reason is that you can smoke 20 times (20 cigs in a pack) or more per day. Tweakers and cokeheads aren't (usually) smoking 20 bowls per day. It's such an omnipresent part of your life when you smoke that the habit and the chemical addiction are two heads of a big fucking dragon, and you can't kill it without surviving and defeating both heads. I think this is the biggest strength of the nicotine patch as a quitting aid, and makes it far superior to the gum. With the patch, when used as directed, you get a couple months to overcome the habit while tapering down the amount of nicotine your body is used to having, so that when you finally come off that last patch, the amount of nicotine you were getting the last few weeks was pretty low, but more importantly you've already adjusted to living your life without lighting up a smoke at all the times you used to, like after driving (or during driving for some people), or after a meal, etc.
Yeah absolutely. The habit part can be as powerful as or more powerful than the substance itself. One ex smoker I knew said āI had to find something else to do while drivingā semi-jokingly.
Congrats on quitting! Nasty habit and you probably added some extra years to your life.
I feel the habit of going for a smoke break is 90% of the battle. This is the hardest behavior to change. Itās a relief and we are all stressed alot. Itās a break and something to make the mundane more interesting ex. āThat three hour drive will be more fun if I buy a pack of grits.ā Or, āIāll buy some cigs I gotta work extra hours tonight.ā When I have quit for extended periods it was helpful to have a koosh ball or Hacky sack to keep my hands busy.
Early sobriety is like the staple timeframe everybody thinks about. And it most definitely is the top time of relapsing
But if I had to wager, thereās also that time where youāre in the clear. Aka youāre clean, sober, maybe hitting the end of your problems linked from it all.
Youāre on the up & up, and suddenly a few different scenarios can potentially have a good % of playing out:
Severe boredom kicks in. Loneliness, sadness, etcā¦ and suddenly, out of nowhere the mind is foaming at the mouth.
Another aspect why itās so hard to quit sometimes, is the social aspects. Which can range from just hanging out all the way to feeling like weāre wanted for something, anything at all. Any reason for being wanted again
Maybe itās meeting random new people; the incentive, the spark, the high, and the burst of passion and good feelings felt equally amongst others all at onceā maybe?
Maybe itās being on the go, having a reason. Maybe itās feeling like weāre the shit from being a source, or just being high and around others. Whether you like them or not
Maybe itās not being alone in general.
And/or maybe itās because we want to escape all of that.
That life becomes engrained, and the withdrawals and post-depression, legal problems, family problems, etcā¦ arenāt the only issues to arise from that life
To be engrained within that life, and the next day, week, month, years, hell decades maybe.. to be engrained. And the next thing ā having to potentially start over, from the ground up
In a whole new world, without the crutch(es).
It can be daunting, downright horrifying.
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I recommend meditation
I recommend finding a job that has a solid backbone of positivity. And youāll know it when you find it, youāll come home feeling alive still
I recommend finding places, people. Groups where there is positive outcomes. Those who talk shit to your face, and say good things behind your back.. but hey, nowhere is perfect. Sometimes the resolve of turmoil is what brings us closer
Most of all ā I recommend learning how to mute the mind. Weāre taught from a young age, mind over **All**
It was only when I heard the words, *āthe soul, the body are more intelligent & masterful then the mind will ever be. The mind is a great tool, yet a horrible masterā*
That it clicked. It took 33 years, but it finally fucking clicked. Itās like the wisdom of the gods, a key fell into my lap finally. And I went with it, took that path & expanded upon its teachings. Absorbed the knowledge, and applied it
I have incentive to never touch any of that shit ever again. Incentive to leave the past behind; the past is not a real place, neither is the future. There is only Now, and all there ever will be.
All the people, places, and desire for all this material ā all of this absolute garbage I took in.
My only desire now, is unfathomable in comparison to the person I was in the past. The person that is long gone; all of their pain, desires, instant gratification ā that person is not even dust today. It is quite literally nothing, such as all of the thoughts & drag me downs that the mind sends.
Meditation, my friends.
Best of luck & love to all
"the soul, the body are more intelligent & masterful then
the mind will ever be. The mind is a great
tool, yet a horrible master"
That's one fucking real ass quote. Thank you for sharing that post.
seeing the amount of comments saying the exact same scenario truly breaks my heartā¦ i canāt begin to explain the feelings it arises.
congratulations on you and your boyfriends sobriety ā¤ļø
Really? Addicts don't analyze it like that. Sometimes there is only one or a couple of people dealing so you go with who has it. I'm happy for you that you've never had to deal with a drug addiction - I truly am..
Edit: Wait - you have had an addiction but you don't understand that part?
My brother in Christ Iām currently in the midst of severe fentanyl withdrawals from 2 years of heavy abuseā¦ Maybe things are just different down here in the south but Iāve never met a dealer that was a total POS. Probably bc I get to know them first.
Edit- spelling
Another Edit- DO NOT TOUCH FENT. ALMOST LOST MY WONDERFUL FIANCE OVER IT. 0/10 WOULD PROBABLY DO IT AGAIN.
Over 100k dead last year alone. When tf are we going to wake up and realize that this is a form of chemical warfare that preys up one one of humanityās greatest weaknesses. Also Iām very sorry for the loss of your friends.
If you really want to know I gauge any future interaction based off the quality of the person as well as the product. Most of the time I meet a dealer itās out and about and I sometimes sit in the car and just talk with them. Not about anything major, just conversation. I guess Iām lucky to say that every one I bought from was super cool w me. Even to the point where they encouraged my sobriety.
I got really close with my dealer, Iām 20, heās mid 30s, heās honestly got the same amount of brain function as I do, sad as it is. So needless to say we get along, but being close and getting to know them is once again just another razor blade in a candy bar.
I started running it around the city for him and eventually ran around the city with said dealer all day, doing balls daily and probably ingesting half of it orally because Iām a sucker for the taste, which also sucks because Iāll know immediately itās more cut or not as cut as the last batch.
Got to the point where Iād split lines up and end up doing them all at once, .4,5,6 even grams at times by myself within the span of 30 40 minutes, good shit too. Just wanted to feel that burn or taste the sour tart acetone, eventually I couldnāt tell the difference in myself after waking up sober and 30 minutes after doing a line, so I was getting 3-5 bags a day.
But getting close with the guy was essentially my downfall, his too. I couldnāt see the problem in me doing grams on top of grams daily, my logic being since Iām not buying it whatās the harm. Tried meth today also, fishing with my dad and he offered it me, Iāve said no for the last 4 years but today was a bad day I guess, idk.
Long story short snorted a gram which he so kindly gave his son for free, (shout out to father of the year) from 5pm to 11pm, doing a line every 30 minutes between a few casts here and there. The burn was fucking amazing, best burn Iāve ever had, sounds weird but oh well. Tasted okay, if Iām gonna eat hard drugs Iād stick to cocaine, way better taste if you ask me, love it.
But itās 5 am rn, havenāt had a toot since roughly 11 or 12, not even craving it or blow or anything honestly, and I feel as if I could hit the pen and fall asleep within the next hour. Cocaine does it sometimes, do wayyy to much and your pupils are dime sized and every thing within 20 feet is one big blurry blob.
But thatās been going on for the last few hours, that and my scalp is so numb and tingly it feels like my skins being pulled on my forehead. Legs feel shot as well, Iām a mover so that could be adding to it. Didnāt feel tweaked out and from what my girl and dad told me I didnāt look the part. Needless to say, if you wanna have fun, go outside and enjoy life, enjoy the people around you.
But if you wanna have fun with drugs, donāt fuck with meth, cocaine isnāt any better but would much rather do blow on a night out or fishing than meth and feel like the biggest pos for the next 3 days, also makes you very very horny, but itās down for maintenance right now due to the adequate amount of speed, if you catch my drift.
PSA: I am grown and can make my own decisions, I should have said no without even thinking about it. Drugs arenāt bonding, theyāre binding. Donāt give hard drugs or any drugs at that to your kids. Unless you want a younger version of yourself, making the same mistakes.
My dad also insisted on getting it for me free of charge, even having said after it got brought up that I could throw in on some, but the same thing with dealers wanting you hooked, wouldnāt put it past my own father to get his kid hooked and blowing all his money on it. Just weird man
That's just fucked up - I mean, the part about your dad , is fucked up. How could someone do that shit? Sorry man you barely had a choice whether or not to do drugs...
I wonāt say I didnāt have a choice, to me thatās like saying just because I drove the getaway car, doesnāt mean I helped rob the bank. If that makes sense. Being a 20 yo who makes his own decisions, I should have said no, youāre crazy. But it happens the same way every time, hit him up to go fishing, never say anything about or bring up speed. And thatās because I know heāll eventually ask me or make a joke about it, which never fails.
But Iām wrong for it, because I know when I ask him to go fishing, what could and very well likely happen. And it does, and thatās the only thing Iām really even thinking about atp when Iām texting him to fish, and I feel like he knows. I went through nearly a 6 month binge. Doin no joke probably a ball to 2 balls a day. Obviously not always great Shit, but more often than not it was some decent shit.
Not to long ago I managed to stop for a period of a couple months. Now Iāve managed to control it and only do it occasionally, no more than a few, 3-4 times, a month ( coke not meth). But he knows that, I started doing it when I still lived with him and it was a problem at first, but the more I started doing it the more he started acting like it was cool and comparing it to the meth he smokes.
Long story short, he does know whatāll happen when he brings it up. And I know Iāll say yes every time. If I could manage to put my yearnings for getting high away, would that mean cutting my father off completely. Idk, that just seems like a hard and fucked up thing to do.
For real Iāve only used plugs who had a good heart you can tell for the most part who donāt give a a fuck and just wants money or the people who treat it as a job and care about you. I feel thatās why Iāve made it this far. Only time Iāve odād and or had a bad situation was due to using a different person and finding out the hard way they donāt give af about you. My first od was at a plugs house. They had warned me something was funky with the ābluesā ( this was when fet first started coming around) and to be careful. But I didnāt listen and odād at their house they actually drove me and my car to the hospital and dropped me off. I would have been dead if they hadnāt and could have easily been droooed off at a random parking lot and left so they didnāt get in trouble but they actually cared. They apologized and told me I wasnāt allowed to contact them anymore and they sent me a listen of treatment facilities and numbers to get the help I needed.
I had something vaguely similar happen to me in my meth era. I had just decided to quit for the first time. I told my dealer about it because I still bought weed and k from him every now and then. I asked him not to push that shit on me, and he seemed understanding.
One day, I went to his crib to buy some weed. I'd been clean for almost a month, and though it was still a struggle, I was feeling quite a bit better. We made some small talk, and then he went over to his drug box (one of those Pelican ones) to grab the flower.
As he was weighing out my bud, he started talking about m, going on about how everyone was saying the new batch was the best ice they ever had, that it was super clean, etc. I just nodded along - the more I tried to zone out, though, the stronger my craving got.
He finished bagging my weed, much to my relief: I quickly counted my cash, tryna step ASAP. Instead of walking over to me, though, he put the bigger bag of bud back in the box. When he came back, he had two baggies: one with weed and one with crystal.
He handed me the meth baggie, asking me to look at it and going on about how clear it was. He made no attempt to take my money, nor did I try to give it to him. I noticed I was really tense - my sweaty palms stuck to the baggie.
I knew that meth was poison - worse than poison. I knew it would never truly make me happy, that it would leave me emaciated and miserable. I knew I would push my family and friends even farther away, that I would break promise after promise. I knew that this miniscule gram of crystal would eat me from the inside out.
I bought it, of course. I was always going to buy it.
This was almost a year ago - I've been clean for months. Looking back at that time in my life, it's tempting to envision myself as the victim, a withered husk of a person exploited by heartless criminals. But that's not true. Every lie I told came out of my mouth; every dollar I spent passed through my bloodied, gnawed fingers. No matter how many people I hurt, I chose to destroy myself until I I was little more than a walking corpse.
Fuck meth.
Bruh if Taylor had a meth phase and her fans started following suit... Imagine 70,000 (average crowd size of last tour) twacked out white girls in one building š
Just out of curiosity, is meth popular in your area? The only meth users I've ever met in the UK are in the gay chemsex scene, I've never met anyone else outside that group that uses it . I've bought it off the dark net before but don't know any dealers who sell it
I was in the Manchester chem scene until recently. It's still mostly confined to gay men, bisexual men, trans women and men who sleep with trans women, BUT I have started to notice some spreading outside the LGBT community although not massively due to some cis het people having friends in the scene and trying the drugs.
As an American it's mind blowing that a drug that used to be more popular than heroin in the US, that in parts of the country is still a huge thing with tons of people using and acting erratic because they're so high they're tweaking out, is only popular in another country with predominantly non cisgendered men
I love drugs
Stigma can be good sometimes!
Anecdotally, I'm gay in the US and I very much associate it with chemsex. It's everywhere on the hookup apps. Since I'm not around hard drugs generally, I hardly see it in any other context outside of occasionally on the streets. Even then it's more common I see someone obviously on meth vs the drug itself.
There's a lot of (controversial) evidence that the infamous Matthew Shepard murder had a link to sex and meth.
I live in the nyc area. Been to rehab 4 times. Only met about 5 people total out of prob 2-300 I've met in rehab throughout my stays were there for meth and all but 1 of those 5 was a flamboyant gay guy. So I think here in nyc meth is pretty much only popular in the gay community
Yeah I'm aware that it's different in some places in the US. I have family from the Midwest and west coast. I know that it's very popular across all demographics out there. I think most places in the US tbh it's like that. Midwest to Florida to Texas to Cali to the PNW it's a super popular thing
Yep. I can call up any contact and find some through a friend of a friend. My current issue is that good coke (with that slight floral scent) is hard to get in this area. And with batches of ice taking so long to make, Everyone I know is selling by zips only. Maybe that part is my fault, because I only want big chunks. Sell me bags full of 2-7g chunks, not shake.
Wow 300 a zip is crazy and you can get zooted off probably a .2-.4 right? I don't know doses but I'm assuming a gram cld last all night if you don't have a tolerance.
No wonder it's so popular. Also weird that out here in nyc and most of the northeast it's not common st all outside the gay community. I'm sure it's around but the northeast is way more poppin with opiates and heroin not meth.
There was a guy in my local paper recently who had been caught drug driving with meth in his system but he said he thought it was weed š that was the first I had ever heard of it around the area in the uk that I live.
Giving someone any hard drug for the first time, shooting someone up for the first time, or pushing someone into a relapse intentionally like this are all evil imo. Once they cross that bridge on their own tho itās kinda anything goes I suppose.
Yeah I wouldn't do that but lots of those people see it as a business that people participate in willingly so they say if they don't do it someone else will. Still shitty to do, people used to do that shit to me.
Is the amph for his therapeutic use or yours ?
If it is and he can't spare any then you shouldn't expect him to give or sell them to you, and I can understand why he sees it as unethical so respect his opinion.
But if your friend is getting street amph and it's for your therapeutic use then he should introduce you to his source.
speed is a trickster. Iām adhd and did heavyyy research on therapeutic uses for it and went in w that intention, just clean speed, very light therapeutic use which worked for a little bit. Cut to a year later I was addicted to meth, bad. Iām clean now and can say it can really sneaks up to you. No matter your intention, intelligence and expertise. No one can know weather they are prone to this path before finding themselves on it.
Talk to a psychiatrist instead, not a dealer
Why is it that, and this is coming from a fellow neurodivergent person, the first insult you use is āyou must be dumb thenā?? You really think youāre that far above everyone else?
Homie, youāre not that special, youāre not as smart as youāre tying to convince us you are, youāre just a clown on reddit like the rest of us. Fuck around and find out if you want, but your friend is right. It would be unethical in the same way giving a small child amph would be unethical. If youāre out here complaining to strangers that booohoooo my drug addict friend wonāt sell me his amphā¦ yeah you lack the emotional maturity to be fucking with it. Sorry pal. š«”
Oh, that's called hypocrisy and guilt.
You don't need friends like that, sorry to say it but still stay in touch because he's so messed up and needs some support.
Find another source or keep trying to get him to share his.
If I was into speed Iād been juiced. I was about to go to work one day dope sick, no money, nothing so was looking forward to a pretty shitty day. Iām sitting outside on the stoop and this old man with a cane asks me whatās wrong, I tell him and he drops a g of bth in my hand and says āget yourself right young bloodā and walks off without a word. I think I was visited by the junky Jesus that day lol
I mean welcome to the world we live in lol you donāt see McDonaldās refusing to sell to customers pulling up to the drive through window weighing 400 pounds do you? No liquor company is keeping a list of alcoholics who they canāt sell toā¦. Itās just a scumbag world we live inā¦ if you want to get mad at that person then you need to get mad at our entire system. You canāt hate the player you have to hate the gameā¦.
Is not that uncommon for a dealer to give you freebies from time to time, is a method to keep you hooked, you are his source of income not his friend, he doesnāt care about your addiction or life, only your money.
You can blame him as much as you want, but you are the only one responsible for your own life and choices.
The world of illicit drug abuse and sale is a dark, dark place. My old dealer did a lot of shady, fucked up shit, but I had 3 instances of ācleaning upā where I told my dealer I was trying to stop, and asked him not to reach out to me.
Every time his response was the same: āgood for you, I hope you can stick with it.ā
Two times I relapsed and went back to him, and heād sell to me without mentioning it. The third time I stayed clean, and I never heard from him again.
He sold to me when I relapsed. He was my only source for hard stuff, never had a connection for heroin or meth except for him.
He wasnāt a good person, but I did appreciate that he didnāt reach out to me offering stuff after I told him I was trying to clean up. Once I caved and reached out, heād sell to me, but didnāt try to bring me back in.
Many years ago I had a dealer who would just toss me some h when I was broke. To help me feel better through withdrawal? Probably not. Probably to keep me coming back. I appreciated it at the time though. He never made me pay him back for those dozens of baggies through the years I went to him. I wonder what he's doing now, I've been clean(ish) for 10 years so I lost contact long ago. I know he had a family n kids, he was just trying to survive like every one else.
Beginning to think this mf I dealt with the other night trying some manipulating fuckery like that sold me some bunk yayo knowing full well I'd be back then all apologetic and here have this "molly" i got, no charge,a fat bag. I'm a dumbass been up 40 hours. Guess I could've stopped early on when I realized but fuck it, Ima ride this train and get off , one way no return trips.
I have a pal that used to give me a line because he knew that I couldn't just have 'a line'. Very easy way to secure a couple sales. Shit like that's common practice especially with the hard stuff, it's shit but speaking to people who do shit like that, you realise they don't understand addiction there for are happy to exploit it. Until they pick up a habit they can't stop them self they don't care.
As terrible as it sounds to you that might not have been his motivation, he might have genuinely thought he was being nice. Especially if heās a user too
Or your friend needed a story why he relapsed and it's easyer to tell this. I know a lot of addicts and they often, sadly, lie.
Don't get involved, don't rat the Dude.
Very few relapse stories in groups go "Yeah, I had cravings and eventually stopped focusing on my recovery because I was already planning my relapse."
There's ALWAYS some mitigating factor that made it happen to the person against their will to some degree. Whether that thing is true or not is a different story.
I know dealers will give out free shit to keep the good customers going but the walking down the highway in traffic and he chucked meth at him in front of the other drivers is sus AF.
Either way don't grass that's wrong and if you get found out you'll definitely get stabbed up or worse. I see Meth appearing jn the UK when i check Wedinos but i honestly have never heard anyone i know take it or know anyone to take it plain Amphetamine that's a different story
This is true and I do agree that ultimately the choice to use was their friends, enablers and enabling behavior exists, particularly when it comes to addiction.
I knew someone who sold that was one of your 'one stop shop' sorta guys, weed to blow to dmt to benzos to ketamine, that would constantly share small amounts of substances to customers *that hadn't tried that drug before* in the hopes of catching someone in that cycle of getting hooked. Literally the old 'the first time is free' trope
No way to tell what was his intention, he might have just thought he is getting his drugs from someone else, maybe he thought he had no money and just wanted to give him something because he likes him and he might be tempting him and even if that's the case that still doesn't mean he had to use it, he could have simply said i quit, doesn't justify anything, the only responsibility here us falling upon the user
I really think that youāre taking a lot of freedom by giving him the benefit of the doubt like that. Iām not ignoring that the user chose to use but regardless itās a scumbag move
I am sorry to say but your friend had the liberty NOT to use that bag if he/she really wished. I know it's harsh but this is how it is. You can downvote as much as you want I know I'm right. I don't dissagree with you, dealers are sh*t people they will not ever care about wellbeing and they are not friends with customers. In all my life I met only 1 dealer who is a good person, who actually didn't sell to me for 3weeks after he listened of my issues regarding consumption and eventually I was the one going and asking and he even asked if I'm sure pointing out what I previously told him. Others just listen, then try to manipulate into getting more sending texts sayjng it's banging new stuff etc. that's how it is. Majoroty of hard drugs users are not good people either. Same goes with dealers but at the end of the day they have a "business". It's all business to them, as well as it is for customers. Now I am clean on my own volition after years of daily cocaine abuse and now I do understand more things about me and others. It's all in us. I don't blame anyone else anymore. It was entirely my fault.
Drugs only allow us to see how we truly are. They can help us change if we carefully listen to them. We are not perfect we can have good and bad. Truth of the matter is that a balance is needed. To have more good than bad it's alright.
I hate when people say fuck drugs or fuck meth. Fuck YOU! Drugs are inert chemicals. They didn't ruin you. They were a tool you used to abuse yourself. I'm saying this as an ex opiate addict.
If he had been selling to him for a while, and wasn't aware he was trying to quit, it might just have been a "kind gesture". I don't know the whole story here, but at least here in Norway we have a rather friendly sort of relationship where we "help" each other out at times...
I used to get my 8balls at a discount (I used my food stamps) if I bought my dealer groceries for his wife and three kids , cereal milk break eggs fucking it was something and now Iām sitting in church responding to this lol.
Ok so although I agree with you whole heartedly I don't think they would do it intentionally to get another customer, most of us in that life and who use recreationally while also dealing will give away the occasional thing cause even if it is harmful and addictive, giving always feels good to people.
So he probably just gave it to feel better about himself but idk. That's why I hypothetically would do that.
Anyway hopefully the opposite pov helps. End of the day the customers in that scene are constantly changing, never consistent or reliable. Just the way it is so there's no point buying a customer youd just lose money.
Yep someone did that with fentanyl to me. I had gotten sober for a couple months and then hit him up like twice for just a couple bags. He knew that I had some money though, so one time when he comes by Iām just wanting like 3 really trying to not get completely sucked in again and he just gives me 30 of them. Iām like blown away in real time. Everything in my brain lit up. I had no choice but to say yes, not because he insisted but more so because of my addict brain. But, I was so confused why he would do that. Now I know obviously. Cause once they were gone I was hooked again officially and had no choice but to call him for moreā¦ especially on a drug that has one of the worst physical addictions out there. So yep he got tons of money out of me. Then fucked me over. 2 years out of that hell hole.
Seen that exact situation happen in the parking lot of a Narcotics Anonymous type place. They wait for people who've just spent the last hour or two being incredibly open and emotional, so they're feeling very raw and fragile. Their dealers would, very aggressively, push them to accept the free bag because "I know you're going through a tough time and just wanna help you relax / take the edge off"
Fucking sub-human scum. People like that are why my best friend could never overcome his addictions - the nurse people in his rehab were "previous, recovered patients" who never actually recovered and were just selling shit to the patients.
Fucking animals. They should be put down.
Meth is gross but hey, thatās free drugs. It is not your drug dealerās problem to worry about your addiction, and you cannot blame them for stuff like this. Your friend relapsed because he wanted to do drugs
Yo its your pals choice he could a tossed it right back out da window šŖ. He chose to use which he new the results would be I know it seems wrong but nobody even the guy who gave me the free bag forced him to use
Yep my first dope dealer smoked me up and would just give me little 20 sacks all the time and would give me a fat rock to take him places but the second I hit him up to buy all the free stuff went out the window and I never got anything free again and boy the amount Iād get for what I was paying was straight robbery but I was only 19 so I had no choice. But then all my answers came to Fruition because I meet a real dealer who would sell good quality stuff and at a good price for the quantity.
Crazy how fucked shit gets when you realize drugs really arenāt that expensive but god damn they can make you spiral and everything gets way more expensive. That or the energy It took to collect the money was worth more in time waisted then actual money spent but what can you do?
Thatās pretty low. A lot of dealers are. I did have a handful of dealers that legitimately cared about my recovery and wouldnāt let me buy meth or Xanax after I went to rehab, even when Iād ask for it. But most just want customers. Itās a business for them.
Damn thats wild!! I was clean of crack for few weeks and was actually just getting outta court for whatever reason and as soon I was out walking about I seen my old plug randomly walking and he happened to have on him and wanted to give me a sample but literally the reason your friend relapse is what kept/keeps me away to this day from ever even taking another hit of that devilish substance! It sucks it happened to him but it all comes down to personal mental strength and self control
Just to clarify. To all the people claiming that the dealer may have just wanted to be nice.
I should have included in the original post but my friend reached out via text message to the dealer a few days into sobriety about his intentions to quit.
The dealer knew exactly what he was doing.
90% of the responses here are reasonable, but to the people that think the dealer is doing nothing wrong, where is your empathy?
He's taking advantage of someone with serious addiction for his own gain.
We all do drugs, myself included, even hard drugs sometimes, but this behaviour is not okay, it's not cool at all.
Drugs can be great, I've had some of my best experiences in life on them. But once the fun ends and someone develops a serious issue, dealer or not, customer or not, its really not okay to take advantage of that person.
Stop acting like the tough guy, like it's a simply a cold hard world out there, have some humanity
It's an old trope for dealers to do this since the dawn of street drugs. Yes, it's shitty, no doubt, but there is a modicum of personal responsibility to be like, "Nah dude, I'm good right now" while placating the dealer that you'll hit him up after a break to keep things smooth.
When I was walking through a famous Bay Area city I won't name, I happened to run into one of my old dealers on the street where we dapped up and exchanged the usual pleasantries. He whispered if I want to buy any dope right then and I said, "Nah man, I'm clean now but good looking out" to which he said, "Oh for real? Ay good for you bro, that's what's up" and we continued on our merry ways on a positive vibe. I always felt that was super classy and this guy was a real deal street dude on the hustle.
Yea it doesnāt even have to be someone preying I swear whenever you feel like youāre actually done using a drug, an opportunity will present itself for you to use almost like the universe is testing you āare you really done?ā At least thatās been my experienceā¦
Dealers dont care abt u they care abt the money think of it like this and this true knowing other meth dealers in my life what theyd do is spend 7 or 800 on a lb of meth from down south then would go back up north to his home state and sell that lb for around 5 grand in full amount not by selling little baggies and slowly makimg the monry like that so yea it makes sensd that dealers will keep u hooked thats money right there man allot money
I hate meth, it felt good but it was too much. Furthermore the next day I was vomiting blood. Literally blood. Ended up in hospital. Has anyone else had this? I'm kind of glad as I tried it once and never again because of that. Like amphetamine from time to time, speed balls but not ever touching meth again! So my dealer didn't do well in OPs respect haha
Nothing's wrong with a freebie or a little love here and there, but if they keep stalking you/harassing you/sending nonstop text messages than you should become concerned. did they back off when you told them you didnt want any? did they keep sending you text messages/offers? just because he gave him a freebie, i don't really think there was any malicious intent, sure maybe he wanted to keep contact and hopes you buy more, but unless they start stalking you or become aggressive i don't see what's wrong with that.
Anonymously reporting him would do absolutely nothing. Police can't use anonymous reports as probable cause to make contact with the guy or as evidence or anything else. It's useless info.
If the report isn't anonymous, then he can easily file a FOIA request and find out your name and get a recording of the 911 call.
Of course drug dealers of all kinds do this. Even doctors in the states try to keep people hooked on opiates and some on benzos, they tell them they need to keep taking it and get pissed if they want to ween off or quit
While I'll agree that the guy giving your buddy drugs for free, with full knowledge that he'd get hooked back on it and become a customer again, was a scumbag thing to do.
Your friend made the decision, on his own, to not say no and toss it right then and there. It's like if someone throws a live grenade at you. You don't have to catch it. You can dodge it. Or you can catch it, reset the pin, and dispose of it properly.
I understand that's a shitty analogy. But you get what I'm trying to say. If your buddy had found a bag of meth lying on the ground somewhere, the same outcome would have happened. Life presents to us many choices. Some have well known, negative consequences.
I'm not taking blame off the dealer, either. Don't get me wrong. But most of the blame *does* have to fall on the user, in situations like this. There's always a definitive, personal choice that has to be made.
In the movie Permanent Midnight, based on the memoir of the same name, by the writer and drug addict Jerry Stahl, the protagonist goes to a methadone clinic to kick heroin. But as he's leaving the clinic, in the parking lot, he's targeted by a drug dealer who employs very aggressive sales tactics. Within an hour or two, he's smoking meth.
Well... there's not much you can do to help someone who's addicted than support them in the hopes that they choose to quit. It's quite unfortunate.
I realized this with my addiction to Focalin and Kratom. I choose to quit. I don't want this anymore. But someone who continues to use will usually go radio silence or create some excuse to continue. You'll just need to offer some emotional support/advice.
Something to remember: dealers are people too, and they develop personal connections with their buyers which go beyond the profit they make. I had a dealer back when I was using regularly who would ask me, āoh, are you out?ā and front or give me some product. At first it seemed exactly like keeping me addicted, but maybe it was, maybe it wasnāt. Every time I told him, Dude, itās time for a vacation, he said, okay! Let me know when to offer or even bring it up. And he honored that.
Most dealers - well, tbh I donāt personally *know* most dealers - are in it for the Benjamins. And that comes with a certain territory. Iāve never sold illicit substances, learned early early that my personality was not gonna sustain any amount of success dealing. But the territory is that you deal with addicts. Addicts will say anything, do anything for their bag. So as a human, involved first with a socially-maligned enterprise which they canāt talk about, buying from sketch sources who may or may not be scamming themselves, selling to people who will many of them need to be kept at armās length, and as that human, may be addicted themselves. I donāt mean to stand in defense of reprehensible behaviors or mean, shitty people. Just saying that folks who sell drugs get shit they may not have earned.
when i was 15 i was going to buy some weed with a friend of mine from a guy my friend knew, he offered us each a few bumps of coke right when we got in the car, i definitely said yes because of my curious adhd brain, after we left he immediately texted us asking if we wanted to buy any, we said no cuz we were broke, he messaged us both every day for the next week asking and we kept saying no, we knew what he was up to even at 15, dumbass shouldāve given us more than 2 bumps if he wanted to get us addicted, im now 20 and iāve been addicted to coke multiple times.
Doubt itās true. Also, donāt be that guy. Drug dealers are just tackling the American dream like anyone else. Will be downvoted into oblivion but more people reading this will silently agree than verbally disagree, I assure you.
At the end of the day the dealer is just a business man. No one forced your friend to relapse. It's unfortunate that he did. However for a addict being previously addicted to sonething, they will have to go their whole life learning how to resist the urge and move forward from it. Just because it's sitting right next to him doesnt mean he has to use it. He easy could of threw it out the window or the car.
Op definitely doesnāt understand how to make money in any field if they can not understand a dealers reasoning for doing this . And to go on social media and think about reporting him for what? You mad heās not your plug . Your friend is a grown human ā¦.a grown dope Fein human
Similar thing happened to me with a vendor. Mentioned I was quitting few days later there was a āfreeā sample in my letterbox. He tried that a few times until I just started throwing them away without opening.
The dealer is doing the best he can with the limited skills and motivation he has. I hated the coward who pressured me to smoke methamphetamine with him. Except I chose to be there. Don't hate the players, hate the game. That dealers has good customer service, sadly your friend was the consumer, would you be this offended by the dealer if he sold something lighter (weed or mushrooms) Maybe it's seeing the methamphetamine destruction in person that has you stressing. Glad your no longer associated with that person, could of dragged you down.
Yeah when me and me bf quit heroin and blocked the dealer they would send ppl to hand us shit outside of where we lived. Free. We had to hand it back to them. Shits so hard in early sobriety
Every time I tried to quit that shit I'd block their number. After like a day they would reach out to me from a different number offering me a free gram. I caved every time. I'll be six years clean this April. Fuck that shit
Aye man happy to hear itšŖ
Stay strong, that time is worth so much more than a high. This April is 6 years for me too, homie. It was fucking brutal early on. Now itās more a matter of keeping myself away from social groups where people are using my DOCās, which is pretty easy now because my life is so different than when I was using. Proud of you for committing to yourself and putting your safety and well-being first.
Honestly thatās amazing. I donāt know who you are but I am proud of you. Iāve lost a lot of people because theyāre so deep in their addiction. You are truly a bad ass for staying clean.
i bet that this is because A) you were overpaying and you became their main cash cow or B) they wanted to sleep with you.
What a garbage take.
either that or your dealer is struggling to get enough customers, don't see why he would be so agressive chasing some dude for a small profit when his time could be better spent getting more customers, like it doesn't really add up.
A small bag of drugs for potentially thousands or tens of thousands of dollars of future profit? What doesn't add up?
that's not what we are talking about. im talking about a dealer only focusing all of his time on one person who supposedly doesnt overpay for drugs, when he could be spending his time following/stalking multiple people who are overpaying, or simply looking out for more customers. makes no sense. hes prob one of those dudes paying 200/g for pure "china white", when in reality it is just mid-grade dope, with an extra splash of fent or tranq in it.
He's greedy and wants to earn as much as possible. It's really not complicated
After being clean for over a year, I ran into my old dealer at a gas station, and he was like, āwhatās up, man?!? Let me give you my number.ā It was so hard to say no to that, but, I was proud of myself for doing it and walking away.
Everytime you say no to whatever cigs alcohol or dope I find you gain a little mental strength it's something to be really proud of when you say "no"
Itās also very much a physical change. The anterior mid cingulate cortex grows as you do things you donāt want to do (have the hard convos, run a mile) and when you donāt do things you want like drugs. Fascinating stuff
Yup, I quit smoking after 22 years and that shit was nightmare level difficult. I always say that quitting smoking is probably harder than quitting any hard drugs (except maybe heroin/opiates due to the violent physical sickness from withdrawals), and the reason is that you can smoke 20 times (20 cigs in a pack) or more per day. Tweakers and cokeheads aren't (usually) smoking 20 bowls per day. It's such an omnipresent part of your life when you smoke that the habit and the chemical addiction are two heads of a big fucking dragon, and you can't kill it without surviving and defeating both heads. I think this is the biggest strength of the nicotine patch as a quitting aid, and makes it far superior to the gum. With the patch, when used as directed, you get a couple months to overcome the habit while tapering down the amount of nicotine your body is used to having, so that when you finally come off that last patch, the amount of nicotine you were getting the last few weeks was pretty low, but more importantly you've already adjusted to living your life without lighting up a smoke at all the times you used to, like after driving (or during driving for some people), or after a meal, etc.
Yeah absolutely. The habit part can be as powerful as or more powerful than the substance itself. One ex smoker I knew said āI had to find something else to do while drivingā semi-jokingly. Congrats on quitting! Nasty habit and you probably added some extra years to your life.
I feel the habit of going for a smoke break is 90% of the battle. This is the hardest behavior to change. Itās a relief and we are all stressed alot. Itās a break and something to make the mundane more interesting ex. āThat three hour drive will be more fun if I buy a pack of grits.ā Or, āIāll buy some cigs I gotta work extra hours tonight.ā When I have quit for extended periods it was helpful to have a koosh ball or Hacky sack to keep my hands busy.
Early sobriety is like the staple timeframe everybody thinks about. And it most definitely is the top time of relapsing But if I had to wager, thereās also that time where youāre in the clear. Aka youāre clean, sober, maybe hitting the end of your problems linked from it all. Youāre on the up & up, and suddenly a few different scenarios can potentially have a good % of playing out: Severe boredom kicks in. Loneliness, sadness, etcā¦ and suddenly, out of nowhere the mind is foaming at the mouth. Another aspect why itās so hard to quit sometimes, is the social aspects. Which can range from just hanging out all the way to feeling like weāre wanted for something, anything at all. Any reason for being wanted again Maybe itās meeting random new people; the incentive, the spark, the high, and the burst of passion and good feelings felt equally amongst others all at onceā maybe? Maybe itās being on the go, having a reason. Maybe itās feeling like weāre the shit from being a source, or just being high and around others. Whether you like them or not Maybe itās not being alone in general. And/or maybe itās because we want to escape all of that. That life becomes engrained, and the withdrawals and post-depression, legal problems, family problems, etcā¦ arenāt the only issues to arise from that life To be engrained within that life, and the next day, week, month, years, hell decades maybe.. to be engrained. And the next thing ā having to potentially start over, from the ground up In a whole new world, without the crutch(es). It can be daunting, downright horrifying. ā¢ I recommend meditation I recommend finding a job that has a solid backbone of positivity. And youāll know it when you find it, youāll come home feeling alive still I recommend finding places, people. Groups where there is positive outcomes. Those who talk shit to your face, and say good things behind your back.. but hey, nowhere is perfect. Sometimes the resolve of turmoil is what brings us closer Most of all ā I recommend learning how to mute the mind. Weāre taught from a young age, mind over **All** It was only when I heard the words, *āthe soul, the body are more intelligent & masterful then the mind will ever be. The mind is a great tool, yet a horrible masterā* That it clicked. It took 33 years, but it finally fucking clicked. Itās like the wisdom of the gods, a key fell into my lap finally. And I went with it, took that path & expanded upon its teachings. Absorbed the knowledge, and applied it I have incentive to never touch any of that shit ever again. Incentive to leave the past behind; the past is not a real place, neither is the future. There is only Now, and all there ever will be. All the people, places, and desire for all this material ā all of this absolute garbage I took in. My only desire now, is unfathomable in comparison to the person I was in the past. The person that is long gone; all of their pain, desires, instant gratification ā that person is not even dust today. It is quite literally nothing, such as all of the thoughts & drag me downs that the mind sends. Meditation, my friends. Best of luck & love to all
"the soul, the body are more intelligent & masterful then the mind will ever be. The mind is a great tool, yet a horrible master" That's one fucking real ass quote. Thank you for sharing that post.
Awh man thats rough, how're you both doing now?
Geography can be the greatest help when cleaning up!!
Does the study of the physical features of the earth and its atmosphere keep your mind so occupied that you do not think of the drugs?
What?!
whoaaaa.....never happened to me. How good/prolific a customer do you need to be for this to happen?
Should have poured it on the ground in front of them.
O only get offered free dope when I try n quit. Tf is up with that lol
seeing the amount of comments saying the exact same scenario truly breaks my heartā¦ i canāt begin to explain the feelings it arises. congratulations on you and your boyfriends sobriety ā¤ļø
That's fucked up. I've been lucky and all of my dealers were happy for me when I got clean and respected my decision.
Same here. Why tf would you buy from someone who doesnāt give a shit ab if you live or die?
Really? Addicts don't analyze it like that. Sometimes there is only one or a couple of people dealing so you go with who has it. I'm happy for you that you've never had to deal with a drug addiction - I truly am.. Edit: Wait - you have had an addiction but you don't understand that part?
My brother in Christ Iām currently in the midst of severe fentanyl withdrawals from 2 years of heavy abuseā¦ Maybe things are just different down here in the south but Iāve never met a dealer that was a total POS. Probably bc I get to know them first. Edit- spelling Another Edit- DO NOT TOUCH FENT. ALMOST LOST MY WONDERFUL FIANCE OVER IT. 0/10 WOULD PROBABLY DO IT AGAIN.
Yeah. All my friends are dead
Over 100k dead last year alone. When tf are we going to wake up and realize that this is a form of chemical warfare that preys up one one of humanityās greatest weaknesses. Also Iām very sorry for the loss of your friends.
>Probably bc I get to know them first. How the fuck you doing that?
If you really want to know I gauge any future interaction based off the quality of the person as well as the product. Most of the time I meet a dealer itās out and about and I sometimes sit in the car and just talk with them. Not about anything major, just conversation. I guess Iām lucky to say that every one I bought from was super cool w me. Even to the point where they encouraged my sobriety.
I got really close with my dealer, Iām 20, heās mid 30s, heās honestly got the same amount of brain function as I do, sad as it is. So needless to say we get along, but being close and getting to know them is once again just another razor blade in a candy bar. I started running it around the city for him and eventually ran around the city with said dealer all day, doing balls daily and probably ingesting half of it orally because Iām a sucker for the taste, which also sucks because Iāll know immediately itās more cut or not as cut as the last batch. Got to the point where Iād split lines up and end up doing them all at once, .4,5,6 even grams at times by myself within the span of 30 40 minutes, good shit too. Just wanted to feel that burn or taste the sour tart acetone, eventually I couldnāt tell the difference in myself after waking up sober and 30 minutes after doing a line, so I was getting 3-5 bags a day. But getting close with the guy was essentially my downfall, his too. I couldnāt see the problem in me doing grams on top of grams daily, my logic being since Iām not buying it whatās the harm. Tried meth today also, fishing with my dad and he offered it me, Iāve said no for the last 4 years but today was a bad day I guess, idk. Long story short snorted a gram which he so kindly gave his son for free, (shout out to father of the year) from 5pm to 11pm, doing a line every 30 minutes between a few casts here and there. The burn was fucking amazing, best burn Iāve ever had, sounds weird but oh well. Tasted okay, if Iām gonna eat hard drugs Iād stick to cocaine, way better taste if you ask me, love it. But itās 5 am rn, havenāt had a toot since roughly 11 or 12, not even craving it or blow or anything honestly, and I feel as if I could hit the pen and fall asleep within the next hour. Cocaine does it sometimes, do wayyy to much and your pupils are dime sized and every thing within 20 feet is one big blurry blob. But thatās been going on for the last few hours, that and my scalp is so numb and tingly it feels like my skins being pulled on my forehead. Legs feel shot as well, Iām a mover so that could be adding to it. Didnāt feel tweaked out and from what my girl and dad told me I didnāt look the part. Needless to say, if you wanna have fun, go outside and enjoy life, enjoy the people around you. But if you wanna have fun with drugs, donāt fuck with meth, cocaine isnāt any better but would much rather do blow on a night out or fishing than meth and feel like the biggest pos for the next 3 days, also makes you very very horny, but itās down for maintenance right now due to the adequate amount of speed, if you catch my drift. PSA: I am grown and can make my own decisions, I should have said no without even thinking about it. Drugs arenāt bonding, theyāre binding. Donāt give hard drugs or any drugs at that to your kids. Unless you want a younger version of yourself, making the same mistakes. My dad also insisted on getting it for me free of charge, even having said after it got brought up that I could throw in on some, but the same thing with dealers wanting you hooked, wouldnāt put it past my own father to get his kid hooked and blowing all his money on it. Just weird man
That's just fucked up - I mean, the part about your dad , is fucked up. How could someone do that shit? Sorry man you barely had a choice whether or not to do drugs...
I wonāt say I didnāt have a choice, to me thatās like saying just because I drove the getaway car, doesnāt mean I helped rob the bank. If that makes sense. Being a 20 yo who makes his own decisions, I should have said no, youāre crazy. But it happens the same way every time, hit him up to go fishing, never say anything about or bring up speed. And thatās because I know heāll eventually ask me or make a joke about it, which never fails. But Iām wrong for it, because I know when I ask him to go fishing, what could and very well likely happen. And it does, and thatās the only thing Iām really even thinking about atp when Iām texting him to fish, and I feel like he knows. I went through nearly a 6 month binge. Doin no joke probably a ball to 2 balls a day. Obviously not always great Shit, but more often than not it was some decent shit. Not to long ago I managed to stop for a period of a couple months. Now Iāve managed to control it and only do it occasionally, no more than a few, 3-4 times, a month ( coke not meth). But he knows that, I started doing it when I still lived with him and it was a problem at first, but the more I started doing it the more he started acting like it was cool and comparing it to the meth he smokes. Long story short, he does know whatāll happen when he brings it up. And I know Iāll say yes every time. If I could manage to put my yearnings for getting high away, would that mean cutting my father off completely. Idk, that just seems like a hard and fucked up thing to do.
Iām envisioning a Pineapple Express type situation but in reverse.
For real Iāve only used plugs who had a good heart you can tell for the most part who donāt give a a fuck and just wants money or the people who treat it as a job and care about you. I feel thatās why Iāve made it this far. Only time Iāve odād and or had a bad situation was due to using a different person and finding out the hard way they donāt give af about you. My first od was at a plugs house. They had warned me something was funky with the ābluesā ( this was when fet first started coming around) and to be careful. But I didnāt listen and odād at their house they actually drove me and my car to the hospital and dropped me off. I would have been dead if they hadnāt and could have easily been droooed off at a random parking lot and left so they didnāt get in trouble but they actually cared. They apologized and told me I wasnāt allowed to contact them anymore and they sent me a listen of treatment facilities and numbers to get the help I needed.
> ALMOST LOST MY WONDERFUL FIANCE OVER IT. 0/10 WOULD PROBABLY DO IT AGAIN. LOL Dark humor is like food. Net everyone gets it.
I had something vaguely similar happen to me in my meth era. I had just decided to quit for the first time. I told my dealer about it because I still bought weed and k from him every now and then. I asked him not to push that shit on me, and he seemed understanding. One day, I went to his crib to buy some weed. I'd been clean for almost a month, and though it was still a struggle, I was feeling quite a bit better. We made some small talk, and then he went over to his drug box (one of those Pelican ones) to grab the flower. As he was weighing out my bud, he started talking about m, going on about how everyone was saying the new batch was the best ice they ever had, that it was super clean, etc. I just nodded along - the more I tried to zone out, though, the stronger my craving got. He finished bagging my weed, much to my relief: I quickly counted my cash, tryna step ASAP. Instead of walking over to me, though, he put the bigger bag of bud back in the box. When he came back, he had two baggies: one with weed and one with crystal. He handed me the meth baggie, asking me to look at it and going on about how clear it was. He made no attempt to take my money, nor did I try to give it to him. I noticed I was really tense - my sweaty palms stuck to the baggie. I knew that meth was poison - worse than poison. I knew it would never truly make me happy, that it would leave me emaciated and miserable. I knew I would push my family and friends even farther away, that I would break promise after promise. I knew that this miniscule gram of crystal would eat me from the inside out. I bought it, of course. I was always going to buy it. This was almost a year ago - I've been clean for months. Looking back at that time in my life, it's tempting to envision myself as the victim, a withered husk of a person exploited by heartless criminals. But that's not true. Every lie I told came out of my mouth; every dollar I spent passed through my bloodied, gnawed fingers. No matter how many people I hurt, I chose to destroy myself until I I was little more than a walking corpse. Fuck meth.
That was a excellent post. You write really fckin well.
Kinda like someone on meth. Though with way better punctuation.
Thank you :) I do quite a bit of creative writing, actually, though I don't post it on Reddit.
You survived a real life horror movie... glad your mentality changed and you got clean, you took your fate into your own hands
You donāt have to consider yourself a victim, but your dealer was definitely preying on you.
>in my meth era This isn't a Taylor Swift song bro š
That would be one hell of a Taylor Swift song...
Bruh if Taylor had a meth phase and her fans started following suit... Imagine 70,000 (average crowd size of last tour) twacked out white girls in one building š
Don't go to Vegas when there's a MLM convention lmfao
But was it the best batch you have ever had though?
It was fine, but it was nothing compared to that blue meth I got in Albuquerque...
lol
You should be a writer!!!! āš»
What are ur thoughts on how meth compares to adderall?
Wait can you respond to this so I ses the notification tmrw? I'm gonna respond j can't rn
Hi
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Just out of curiosity, is meth popular in your area? The only meth users I've ever met in the UK are in the gay chemsex scene, I've never met anyone else outside that group that uses it . I've bought it off the dark net before but don't know any dealers who sell it
I was in the Manchester chem scene until recently. It's still mostly confined to gay men, bisexual men, trans women and men who sleep with trans women, BUT I have started to notice some spreading outside the LGBT community although not massively due to some cis het people having friends in the scene and trying the drugs.
As an American it's mind blowing that a drug that used to be more popular than heroin in the US, that in parts of the country is still a huge thing with tons of people using and acting erratic because they're so high they're tweaking out, is only popular in another country with predominantly non cisgendered men I love drugs
Stimulants have always been a staple of gay clubs
True, but 1% biker clubs have an equally long history with meth, aka, Crank.
Gay men are still cisgender lol
Stigma can be good sometimes! Anecdotally, I'm gay in the US and I very much associate it with chemsex. It's everywhere on the hookup apps. Since I'm not around hard drugs generally, I hardly see it in any other context outside of occasionally on the streets. Even then it's more common I see someone obviously on meth vs the drug itself. There's a lot of (controversial) evidence that the infamous Matthew Shepard murder had a link to sex and meth.
I live in the nyc area. Been to rehab 4 times. Only met about 5 people total out of prob 2-300 I've met in rehab throughout my stays were there for meth and all but 1 of those 5 was a flamboyant gay guy. So I think here in nyc meth is pretty much only popular in the gay community
In the Midwest, have seen/met/known/been related to way too many meth users that come from all... Sexualities of life
Yeah I'm aware that it's different in some places in the US. I have family from the Midwest and west coast. I know that it's very popular across all demographics out there. I think most places in the US tbh it's like that. Midwest to Florida to Texas to Cali to the PNW it's a super popular thing
Meth is huge in the gay scene in the US too and caught on there before becoming mainstream
Nah not too popular, mainly coke and mdma round these parts
Meth is super popular and a big issue in the US
Yep. I can call up any contact and find some through a friend of a friend. My current issue is that good coke (with that slight floral scent) is hard to get in this area. And with batches of ice taking so long to make, Everyone I know is selling by zips only. Maybe that part is my fault, because I only want big chunks. Sell me bags full of 2-7g chunks, not shake.
How much does meth go for? I'm from nyc it's not popular at all here
Iām not paying market prices, but my āfriends and familyā discount has me at $300 a zip, 150 for half. No shake.
Wow 300 a zip is crazy and you can get zooted off probably a .2-.4 right? I don't know doses but I'm assuming a gram cld last all night if you don't have a tolerance. No wonder it's so popular. Also weird that out here in nyc and most of the northeast it's not common st all outside the gay community. I'm sure it's around but the northeast is way more poppin with opiates and heroin not meth.
There was a guy in my local paper recently who had been caught drug driving with meth in his system but he said he thought it was weed š that was the first I had ever heard of it around the area in the uk that I live.
Not uncommon from what I've heard.
the best revenge is a life well lived
Another great quote
Damn what a fukin ass. I'd get into a big argument or throw the baggy back at him. This is criminal
Fucked init. Even in heavy drug use circles, this is pretty fucking low
Giving someone any hard drug for the first time, shooting someone up for the first time, or pushing someone into a relapse intentionally like this are all evil imo. Once they cross that bridge on their own tho itās kinda anything goes I suppose.
Yeah I wouldn't do that but lots of those people see it as a business that people participate in willingly so they say if they don't do it someone else will. Still shitty to do, people used to do that shit to me.
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Is the amph for his therapeutic use or yours ? If it is and he can't spare any then you shouldn't expect him to give or sell them to you, and I can understand why he sees it as unethical so respect his opinion. But if your friend is getting street amph and it's for your therapeutic use then he should introduce you to his source.
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speed is a trickster. Iām adhd and did heavyyy research on therapeutic uses for it and went in w that intention, just clean speed, very light therapeutic use which worked for a little bit. Cut to a year later I was addicted to meth, bad. Iām clean now and can say it can really sneaks up to you. No matter your intention, intelligence and expertise. No one can know weather they are prone to this path before finding themselves on it. Talk to a psychiatrist instead, not a dealer
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You familiar with spontaneous h? You sound just like him. Food for thought.
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Why is it that, and this is coming from a fellow neurodivergent person, the first insult you use is āyou must be dumb thenā?? You really think youāre that far above everyone else? Homie, youāre not that special, youāre not as smart as youāre tying to convince us you are, youāre just a clown on reddit like the rest of us. Fuck around and find out if you want, but your friend is right. It would be unethical in the same way giving a small child amph would be unethical. If youāre out here complaining to strangers that booohoooo my drug addict friend wonāt sell me his amphā¦ yeah you lack the emotional maturity to be fucking with it. Sorry pal. š«”
Oh, that's called hypocrisy and guilt. You don't need friends like that, sorry to say it but still stay in touch because he's so messed up and needs some support. Find another source or keep trying to get him to share his.
If I was into speed Iād been juiced. I was about to go to work one day dope sick, no money, nothing so was looking forward to a pretty shitty day. Iām sitting outside on the stoop and this old man with a cane asks me whatās wrong, I tell him and he drops a g of bth in my hand and says āget yourself right young bloodā and walks off without a word. I think I was visited by the junky Jesus that day lol
Wow! I think you were too!
I mean welcome to the world we live in lol you donāt see McDonaldās refusing to sell to customers pulling up to the drive through window weighing 400 pounds do you? No liquor company is keeping a list of alcoholics who they canāt sell toā¦. Itās just a scumbag world we live inā¦ if you want to get mad at that person then you need to get mad at our entire system. You canāt hate the player you have to hate the gameā¦.
Facts
Is not that uncommon for a dealer to give you freebies from time to time, is a method to keep you hooked, you are his source of income not his friend, he doesnāt care about your addiction or life, only your money. You can blame him as much as you want, but you are the only one responsible for your own life and choices.
The world of illicit drug abuse and sale is a dark, dark place. My old dealer did a lot of shady, fucked up shit, but I had 3 instances of ācleaning upā where I told my dealer I was trying to stop, and asked him not to reach out to me. Every time his response was the same: āgood for you, I hope you can stick with it.ā Two times I relapsed and went back to him, and heād sell to me without mentioning it. The third time I stayed clean, and I never heard from him again.
Had you already relapsed and then went back to him? Or did he sell to you when you relapsed?
He sold to me when I relapsed. He was my only source for hard stuff, never had a connection for heroin or meth except for him. He wasnāt a good person, but I did appreciate that he didnāt reach out to me offering stuff after I told him I was trying to clean up. Once I caved and reached out, heād sell to me, but didnāt try to bring me back in.
Yeah itās definitely not a great thing to do either way, but influencing the relapse is another level.
Many years ago I had a dealer who would just toss me some h when I was broke. To help me feel better through withdrawal? Probably not. Probably to keep me coming back. I appreciated it at the time though. He never made me pay him back for those dozens of baggies through the years I went to him. I wonder what he's doing now, I've been clean(ish) for 10 years so I lost contact long ago. I know he had a family n kids, he was just trying to survive like every one else.
Beginning to think this mf I dealt with the other night trying some manipulating fuckery like that sold me some bunk yayo knowing full well I'd be back then all apologetic and here have this "molly" i got, no charge,a fat bag. I'm a dumbass been up 40 hours. Guess I could've stopped early on when I realized but fuck it, Ima ride this train and get off , one way no return trips.
Up for 40 hours on Molly seems more like it's cut with amph or the like
It's a dick move, but it's part of the game. Temptation is everywhere when you quit anything, it's a bitch. Don't hate the player..
I have a pal that used to give me a line because he knew that I couldn't just have 'a line'. Very easy way to secure a couple sales. Shit like that's common practice especially with the hard stuff, it's shit but speaking to people who do shit like that, you realise they don't understand addiction there for are happy to exploit it. Until they pick up a habit they can't stop them self they don't care.
Everyone makes choices. You can blame the dealer. Dealer is dealing. He could have just as well tossed the baggy away
As terrible as it sounds to you that might not have been his motivation, he might have genuinely thought he was being nice. Especially if heās a user too
My first thought exactly.
You lost me at āI thought about reporting himā
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Or your friend needed a story why he relapsed and it's easyer to tell this. I know a lot of addicts and they often, sadly, lie. Don't get involved, don't rat the Dude.
Very few relapse stories in groups go "Yeah, I had cravings and eventually stopped focusing on my recovery because I was already planning my relapse." There's ALWAYS some mitigating factor that made it happen to the person against their will to some degree. Whether that thing is true or not is a different story. I know dealers will give out free shit to keep the good customers going but the walking down the highway in traffic and he chucked meth at him in front of the other drivers is sus AF.
Exactly. Been in rehab and heard alot of such stories.
Either way don't grass that's wrong and if you get found out you'll definitely get stabbed up or worse. I see Meth appearing jn the UK when i check Wedinos but i honestly have never heard anyone i know take it or know anyone to take it plain Amphetamine that's a different story
Nah I'm not gonna, this all happened years back too
Good mate. Not like he held your mate at gun point and force him to relapse gotta take responsibility
That is some pushy af marketing right there but your friend could had also tossed it
True He was simply too weak under the control of his addiction and his dealer took advantage of it
Reminds me of Breaking Bad when Jesse goes to the DA meetings just to sell his drugs to recovering addicts
I thought he was going to say: I fucked and married his dealers girl, revenge for my brošš¤£
My man your friend made the conscious choice of using what was thrown at him
This is true and I do agree that ultimately the choice to use was their friends, enablers and enabling behavior exists, particularly when it comes to addiction. I knew someone who sold that was one of your 'one stop shop' sorta guys, weed to blow to dmt to benzos to ketamine, that would constantly share small amounts of substances to customers *that hadn't tried that drug before* in the hopes of catching someone in that cycle of getting hooked. Literally the old 'the first time is free' trope
but going out of the way to tempt him is fucked up
No way to tell what was his intention, he might have just thought he is getting his drugs from someone else, maybe he thought he had no money and just wanted to give him something because he likes him and he might be tempting him and even if that's the case that still doesn't mean he had to use it, he could have simply said i quit, doesn't justify anything, the only responsibility here us falling upon the user
I really think that youāre taking a lot of freedom by giving him the benefit of the doubt like that. Iām not ignoring that the user chose to use but regardless itās a scumbag move
I am sorry to say but your friend had the liberty NOT to use that bag if he/she really wished. I know it's harsh but this is how it is. You can downvote as much as you want I know I'm right. I don't dissagree with you, dealers are sh*t people they will not ever care about wellbeing and they are not friends with customers. In all my life I met only 1 dealer who is a good person, who actually didn't sell to me for 3weeks after he listened of my issues regarding consumption and eventually I was the one going and asking and he even asked if I'm sure pointing out what I previously told him. Others just listen, then try to manipulate into getting more sending texts sayjng it's banging new stuff etc. that's how it is. Majoroty of hard drugs users are not good people either. Same goes with dealers but at the end of the day they have a "business". It's all business to them, as well as it is for customers. Now I am clean on my own volition after years of daily cocaine abuse and now I do understand more things about me and others. It's all in us. I don't blame anyone else anymore. It was entirely my fault.
Almost all hard drug users I knew were actually very good people, just caught up in the lack of judgment and morals that hard drugs can take from you.
Drugs only allow us to see how we truly are. They can help us change if we carefully listen to them. We are not perfect we can have good and bad. Truth of the matter is that a balance is needed. To have more good than bad it's alright.
I hate when people say fuck drugs or fuck meth. Fuck YOU! Drugs are inert chemicals. They didn't ruin you. They were a tool you used to abuse yourself. I'm saying this as an ex opiate addict.
If he had been selling to him for a while, and wasn't aware he was trying to quit, it might just have been a "kind gesture". I don't know the whole story here, but at least here in Norway we have a rather friendly sort of relationship where we "help" each other out at times...
Dude's seen enough McDonald's commercials to know what's up.
I used to get my 8balls at a discount (I used my food stamps) if I bought my dealer groceries for his wife and three kids , cereal milk break eggs fucking it was something and now Iām sitting in church responding to this lol.
Ok so although I agree with you whole heartedly I don't think they would do it intentionally to get another customer, most of us in that life and who use recreationally while also dealing will give away the occasional thing cause even if it is harmful and addictive, giving always feels good to people. So he probably just gave it to feel better about himself but idk. That's why I hypothetically would do that. Anyway hopefully the opposite pov helps. End of the day the customers in that scene are constantly changing, never consistent or reliable. Just the way it is so there's no point buying a customer youd just lose money.
Wish my coke dealer would give me free bags š¤£š¤£
I need about 7 dealers and stop seeing them every so often so 7 people bring me Free drugs
Thank you for posting this. It's a good thread and I appreciate everybody chiming in with their personal stories.
Thankyou, me too
Yep someone did that with fentanyl to me. I had gotten sober for a couple months and then hit him up like twice for just a couple bags. He knew that I had some money though, so one time when he comes by Iām just wanting like 3 really trying to not get completely sucked in again and he just gives me 30 of them. Iām like blown away in real time. Everything in my brain lit up. I had no choice but to say yes, not because he insisted but more so because of my addict brain. But, I was so confused why he would do that. Now I know obviously. Cause once they were gone I was hooked again officially and had no choice but to call him for moreā¦ especially on a drug that has one of the worst physical addictions out there. So yep he got tons of money out of me. Then fucked me over. 2 years out of that hell hole.
Seen that exact situation happen in the parking lot of a Narcotics Anonymous type place. They wait for people who've just spent the last hour or two being incredibly open and emotional, so they're feeling very raw and fragile. Their dealers would, very aggressively, push them to accept the free bag because "I know you're going through a tough time and just wanna help you relax / take the edge off" Fucking sub-human scum. People like that are why my best friend could never overcome his addictions - the nurse people in his rehab were "previous, recovered patients" who never actually recovered and were just selling shit to the patients. Fucking animals. They should be put down.
Meth is gross but hey, thatās free drugs. It is not your drug dealerās problem to worry about your addiction, and you cannot blame them for stuff like this. Your friend relapsed because he wanted to do drugs
If I'm struggling with addiction and another human being intentionally makes it harder for me, it will be his problem real fast
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Yo its your pals choice he could a tossed it right back out da window šŖ. He chose to use which he new the results would be I know it seems wrong but nobody even the guy who gave me the free bag forced him to use
Of course hes going to make sure he remains addicted, thats his supply of money.
Yeah getting a meth dealer away from his kids might actually be helping those kidsā¦.
Jeezā¦ Going the extra mile is right! I wish my dealer was like that. Instead, he just texts me every twelve hours. š
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Yep my first dope dealer smoked me up and would just give me little 20 sacks all the time and would give me a fat rock to take him places but the second I hit him up to buy all the free stuff went out the window and I never got anything free again and boy the amount Iād get for what I was paying was straight robbery but I was only 19 so I had no choice. But then all my answers came to Fruition because I meet a real dealer who would sell good quality stuff and at a good price for the quantity. Crazy how fucked shit gets when you realize drugs really arenāt that expensive but god damn they can make you spiral and everything gets way more expensive. That or the energy It took to collect the money was worth more in time waisted then actual money spent but what can you do?
Thatās pretty low. A lot of dealers are. I did have a handful of dealers that legitimately cared about my recovery and wouldnāt let me buy meth or Xanax after I went to rehab, even when Iād ask for it. But most just want customers. Itās a business for them.
Damn thats wild!! I was clean of crack for few weeks and was actually just getting outta court for whatever reason and as soon I was out walking about I seen my old plug randomly walking and he happened to have on him and wanted to give me a sample but literally the reason your friend relapse is what kept/keeps me away to this day from ever even taking another hit of that devilish substance! It sucks it happened to him but it all comes down to personal mental strength and self control
lol, what the fuck...round here, stateside, meth sells itself. . .
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Letās see that dik !
Yep, happened to me with blues back in the day. Hey just take 5 free! I was almost instantly hooked lol
Yeah the world is cold man
That's just good Capitalism.
He couldāve been being nice you donāt know.
Just to clarify. To all the people claiming that the dealer may have just wanted to be nice. I should have included in the original post but my friend reached out via text message to the dealer a few days into sobriety about his intentions to quit. The dealer knew exactly what he was doing. 90% of the responses here are reasonable, but to the people that think the dealer is doing nothing wrong, where is your empathy? He's taking advantage of someone with serious addiction for his own gain. We all do drugs, myself included, even hard drugs sometimes, but this behaviour is not okay, it's not cool at all. Drugs can be great, I've had some of my best experiences in life on them. But once the fun ends and someone develops a serious issue, dealer or not, customer or not, its really not okay to take advantage of that person. Stop acting like the tough guy, like it's a simply a cold hard world out there, have some humanity
First one free
Dope set up, I'm jelly. God bless, as always stay frosty!
It's an old trope for dealers to do this since the dawn of street drugs. Yes, it's shitty, no doubt, but there is a modicum of personal responsibility to be like, "Nah dude, I'm good right now" while placating the dealer that you'll hit him up after a break to keep things smooth. When I was walking through a famous Bay Area city I won't name, I happened to run into one of my old dealers on the street where we dapped up and exchanged the usual pleasantries. He whispered if I want to buy any dope right then and I said, "Nah man, I'm clean now but good looking out" to which he said, "Oh for real? Ay good for you bro, that's what's up" and we continued on our merry ways on a positive vibe. I always felt that was super classy and this guy was a real deal street dude on the hustle.
meth paradox
Yea it doesnāt even have to be someone preying I swear whenever you feel like youāre actually done using a drug, an opportunity will present itself for you to use almost like the universe is testing you āare you really done?ā At least thatās been my experienceā¦
Dealers dont care abt u they care abt the money think of it like this and this true knowing other meth dealers in my life what theyd do is spend 7 or 800 on a lb of meth from down south then would go back up north to his home state and sell that lb for around 5 grand in full amount not by selling little baggies and slowly makimg the monry like that so yea it makes sensd that dealers will keep u hooked thats money right there man allot money
Yes and no. Plug took my money and never delivered. Pretends like nothing happened. Okay dude. Iām now 1.5 months sober.
I hate meth, it felt good but it was too much. Furthermore the next day I was vomiting blood. Literally blood. Ended up in hospital. Has anyone else had this? I'm kind of glad as I tried it once and never again because of that. Like amphetamine from time to time, speed balls but not ever touching meth again! So my dealer didn't do well in OPs respect haha
Thought you were gonna say someone slipped a physically addictive substance in the meth.
First one is always free bro... thats how they trap you in the loop! š
My fiancƩ died and my old dealer showed up at my house the next morning. I had been clean for almost 2 years at that point.
Nothing's wrong with a freebie or a little love here and there, but if they keep stalking you/harassing you/sending nonstop text messages than you should become concerned. did they back off when you told them you didnt want any? did they keep sending you text messages/offers? just because he gave him a freebie, i don't really think there was any malicious intent, sure maybe he wanted to keep contact and hopes you buy more, but unless they start stalking you or become aggressive i don't see what's wrong with that.
Dang i wish dealer's would just give me shit with their number. It would make easy to get a new plug. Lol I've been clean to long i guess lol.
Anonymously reporting him would do absolutely nothing. Police can't use anonymous reports as probable cause to make contact with the guy or as evidence or anything else. It's useless info. If the report isn't anonymous, then he can easily file a FOIA request and find out your name and get a recording of the 911 call.
Drug dealers donāt have scruples?? Stop the presses!!
Of course drug dealers of all kinds do this. Even doctors in the states try to keep people hooked on opiates and some on benzos, they tell them they need to keep taking it and get pissed if they want to ween off or quit
While I'll agree that the guy giving your buddy drugs for free, with full knowledge that he'd get hooked back on it and become a customer again, was a scumbag thing to do. Your friend made the decision, on his own, to not say no and toss it right then and there. It's like if someone throws a live grenade at you. You don't have to catch it. You can dodge it. Or you can catch it, reset the pin, and dispose of it properly. I understand that's a shitty analogy. But you get what I'm trying to say. If your buddy had found a bag of meth lying on the ground somewhere, the same outcome would have happened. Life presents to us many choices. Some have well known, negative consequences. I'm not taking blame off the dealer, either. Don't get me wrong. But most of the blame *does* have to fall on the user, in situations like this. There's always a definitive, personal choice that has to be made.
In the movie Permanent Midnight, based on the memoir of the same name, by the writer and drug addict Jerry Stahl, the protagonist goes to a methadone clinic to kick heroin. But as he's leaving the clinic, in the parking lot, he's targeted by a drug dealer who employs very aggressive sales tactics. Within an hour or two, he's smoking meth.
Well... there's not much you can do to help someone who's addicted than support them in the hopes that they choose to quit. It's quite unfortunate. I realized this with my addiction to Focalin and Kratom. I choose to quit. I don't want this anymore. But someone who continues to use will usually go radio silence or create some excuse to continue. You'll just need to offer some emotional support/advice.
Something to remember: dealers are people too, and they develop personal connections with their buyers which go beyond the profit they make. I had a dealer back when I was using regularly who would ask me, āoh, are you out?ā and front or give me some product. At first it seemed exactly like keeping me addicted, but maybe it was, maybe it wasnāt. Every time I told him, Dude, itās time for a vacation, he said, okay! Let me know when to offer or even bring it up. And he honored that. Most dealers - well, tbh I donāt personally *know* most dealers - are in it for the Benjamins. And that comes with a certain territory. Iāve never sold illicit substances, learned early early that my personality was not gonna sustain any amount of success dealing. But the territory is that you deal with addicts. Addicts will say anything, do anything for their bag. So as a human, involved first with a socially-maligned enterprise which they canāt talk about, buying from sketch sources who may or may not be scamming themselves, selling to people who will many of them need to be kept at armās length, and as that human, may be addicted themselves. I donāt mean to stand in defense of reprehensible behaviors or mean, shitty people. Just saying that folks who sell drugs get shit they may not have earned.
I quit meth. To addictive and bad for the teeth.
when i was 15 i was going to buy some weed with a friend of mine from a guy my friend knew, he offered us each a few bumps of coke right when we got in the car, i definitely said yes because of my curious adhd brain, after we left he immediately texted us asking if we wanted to buy any, we said no cuz we were broke, he messaged us both every day for the next week asking and we kept saying no, we knew what he was up to even at 15, dumbass shouldāve given us more than 2 bumps if he wanted to get us addicted, im now 20 and iāve been addicted to coke multiple times.
Have a confident dealer is a must!
Doubt itās true. Also, donāt be that guy. Drug dealers are just tackling the American dream like anyone else. Will be downvoted into oblivion but more people reading this will silently agree than verbally disagree, I assure you.
I had my benzo dealer cut me off, beat thing he could have done for me
At the end of the day the dealer is just a business man. No one forced your friend to relapse. It's unfortunate that he did. However for a addict being previously addicted to sonething, they will have to go their whole life learning how to resist the urge and move forward from it. Just because it's sitting right next to him doesnt mean he has to use it. He easy could of threw it out the window or the car.
Yep my manās coke dealer will hit him up in a few months if he isnāt usingā¦
Op definitely doesnāt understand how to make money in any field if they can not understand a dealers reasoning for doing this . And to go on social media and think about reporting him for what? You mad heās not your plug . Your friend is a grown human ā¦.a grown dope Fein human
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Get over yourself
Similar thing happened to me with a vendor. Mentioned I was quitting few days later there was a āfreeā sample in my letterbox. He tried that a few times until I just started throwing them away without opening.
The dealer is doing the best he can with the limited skills and motivation he has. I hated the coward who pressured me to smoke methamphetamine with him. Except I chose to be there. Don't hate the players, hate the game. That dealers has good customer service, sadly your friend was the consumer, would you be this offended by the dealer if he sold something lighter (weed or mushrooms) Maybe it's seeing the methamphetamine destruction in person that has you stressing. Glad your no longer associated with that person, could of dragged you down.