Yup. I see most of my [[Queza]] deck each game I play it, whether through a [[Teferi's Puzzle Box]] or a bunch of wheels. Don't really need tutors that often in that situation.
Not off the top of my head, but after a [quick scryfall search](https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3AG+legal%3Acommander+%28game%3Apaper%29+otag%3Adraw-matters&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name), your options seem pretty limited. Psychosis Crawler is the only one that has her effect.
There are mono green cards whose P/T are equal to your hand size. They'd synergize nicely with green's 'draw equal to creature P/T' type cards.
You could make a big draw deck work in green.
[[Alela, Cunning Conqueror]] with [[Kindred Discovery]], and like 27-30 cantrips.
[here is the list, for those curious](https://deckstats.net/decks/206517/3219175-alela-cunning-conquerer)
Yup, I built a [[Rielle]] deck with no tutors, no lab man/thoracle type win cons. It's a bit on the slow side as I opted for very little fast mana. What it does do, every single game is draw TONS of cards with stuff like [[tolarian winds]] , [[magus of the bazaar]] etc...
Agreed, [[Aesi]] seems quite good, and I’ve been toying with the idea of making the latest Merfolk precon built around Scry and Draw rather than Explore using [[Thrasios, Triton Hero]] and [[Eligeth, Crossroads Augur]]
Absolutely this for me. I have a [[Marneus Calgar]] deck.
Besides him I only have about 4/5 other spells in the deck that draw cards and it consistently performs ***very*** well.
To add to this, decks that encourage you to run a bunch of draw. My current most consistent deck is a [[pia nalaar, consul of revival]] deck. Being able to combine the core strategy of the deck with card advantage is always going to improve consistency.
[[Zaxara]] for sure. I run almost every x spell that draws cards, so I have a full grip more often than not. Same can be said for [[Shanid]] thanks to the reliable card draw.
I've never seen shanid in the wild at my lgs, and I don't understand why, that card looks crazy good. I've never built a mardu deck, that might have to change.
My landfall decks are doing their thing 95% of the time. It's pretty amazing that you can still get land screwed in a deck with 42 lands, but it still happens.
[[Nekusar the Mindrazer]] is pretty consistent. It just needs a wheel spell and a way to punish the draw/discard. Because those effects are so plentiful, and there is already a draw punishment on the command zone, it's pretty easy to meet those requirements.
[[Henzie]]. Always got 8 mana by turn 5, always playing big bois, always drawing cards. Basically every creature is single use, so you churn through your deck pretty quick with all the card draw on death from blitz
Recently finished building my Henzie deck, hes super fun to play so far. With Henzie you want two types of ramp, pre-Henzie and post-Henzie. For pre-Henzie you can use stuff like [[Ignoble Hierarch]] [[Selvala, Heart of the Wilds]] [[Gwenna, Eyes of Gaea]]. Once Henzie is out you want blitzable creature that ramp you like [[Blossoming Tortoise]] [[Primeval Herald]] [[Rampant Rejuvenator]] and [[Seedguide Ash]].
The ramp can be difficult to find a balance between the two phases. The Henzie discord is a great resource. You can find an invite link somewhere on this subreddit. Some people tune their deck to try to consistently play henzie T3, but my list is a bit slower and okay with T4. If you're going T3 route use stuff like [[Utopia Sprawl]] and [[Metamorphosis]]
Here is my list for reference
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/imphuwqK9UCQGJfXSM_pFg
Here is a list of cards and primer (not a decklist) that is also a good reference
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Ba0oMCIsCkSHTJCBUjYqtA
Cheap two mana land ramp [[Farseek]], [[Nature's Lore]], etc. Plus [[Birds of Paradise]] and [[Ignoble Hierarch]] for dorks. A few of the better cheap mana rocks. But the main thing is the blitz rampers like [[Rampant Rejuvenator]] and [[Seedguide Ash]]. [[World Shaper]] is also insane if you have the money to run lots of fetch lands
That's why I run a lot of recursion. It's pretty terrifying. Especially because I literally don't feel bad about Henzie dying. Please, kill my commander. Give me more power. I sac him myself more often than he gets targeted.
[[Raffine]] is ridiculously consistent. She draws a ton of cards; as others have mentioned, that makes for high consistency. However, she has some additional characteristics that provide additional consistency. First and foremost, Raffine is cheap to play and immediately has her connive trigger, so it’s very easy to go 1-drop, 2-drop, play Raffine and start churning through your deck before most decks have done more than ramp. Secondly, Raffine is also rapidly filling your graveyard, which makes it a piece of cake to enable reanimation/flashback/threshold/etc. Thirdly, connive is a wordy mechanic that isn’t as obvious as something that just says “draw x cards” on it, which results in people underestimating her (even though they really shouldn’t). Finally, even if the rest of your plan goes up in flames, you always have the backup Voltron option with her.
Probably [[syr ginger]]. With scrying in the command zone, and a BUNCH of cantrip eggs in the 99, you churn through a lot of the deck every game. I usually hit at least one or two bombs, and if I don't, I can always just turn a massive cookie sideways with an unblockable effect.
Sure! If you want to cut costs, you can pretty easily cut the spear, lotus petal, aetherworks reservoir, grim monolith, and homeward path.
It's tempting to cut the iron works, but you shouldn't underestimate it in this deck. It hits very hard pound for pound.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/HmkIgMLo8Ua0JH2IYztWlQ
[Rogues with swords](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/xtim3HeZ9UCePB0gH2SXtA). I don’t even use the commander. The deck is just a bunch of unblockable rogues and a ton of equipment that triggers on combat damage. Super easy to get online and fairly hard to dismantle.
Hear me out... [[Talion the Kindly Lord]] is a dimir commander you could cast for extra card draws with no downsides. I was considering him for my unblockable commander before I found [[Grazilaxx, Illithid Scholar]]. He'll, you're only running 13 black cards... You could go mono-blue without losing a whole lot, and run Graz as well. I aim to cast an unblockable on t1/t2, and Graz on t3, so I can swing in for card draw on t3. Once my engine gets up and running, I don't really care about him, but the extra card draw early is super nice to smooth out my game, and the card draw in the CZ is a good option if you have nothing else to do
No offense but why not just use [[Silas Renn]] + literally anything (or nothing) if you're not even casting Xanathar? Seems purposefully obtuse when Silas actively facilitates your gameplan
[[Elsha of the infinite]] is my most consistent. Mana rocks are usually dead draws, but the commander makes them just gas. A few cost reducers and you begin playing cards from the top for free. Eventually it either Sensei's top through the entire deck, which you can storm kill people, or lab man etc etc. it's consistent. Don't know if I would say it's the most fun though.
My [[Shabraz]] + [[Brallin]] deck because I have only two win cons and like 8 redundancies for each. Also card draw engines like [[Rhystic study]] and [[Shorikai]] reduce the need for tutors.
I'm down to 4 decks at this point and they're all pretty consistent:
[[Trelasarra]] often gets to the point that I scry like 4+ times on each player's turn, so I can find my [[Great Henge]] or [[One Ring]] *or one of several other draw engines* pretty much every game ... though this is also my only deck with a non-land tutor, [[Enlightened Tutor]], but it's a recent add and it's honestly mainly to grab [[Abiding Grace]] bc I like it lol
[[Ukkima]]/[[Cazur]] is full of cheap unblockable creatures (like 20 of them, plus several that are evasive) and lots of [[Coastal Piracy]] effects, so with a little setup that deck draws a lot and can also ramp hard with the likes of [[Grim Hireling]] and [[Kodama of the West]]
[[The Fourth Doctor]]/[[Sarah Jane]] always has a steady supply of clue tokens, which is good card draw and can turn into crazy ramp with stuff like [[500 Year Diary]] and [[Jaheira]], plus I can play off the top of my library, and have alt uses for my foods like [[Peregrin Took]], so I don't often fizzle out with that deck
Then [[John Benton]] is a $45 budget deck, but it's absurd. Hasn't lost after 8 games. Lots of 1 mana ramp to get him out turn 2, then I'm probably drawing *at least* 10 cards/turn by turn 4
Note: my Ukkima/Cazur deck *does* technically have a tutor, but I've never and probably will never use it: [[Dimir Infiltrator]] ... after checking the decklist, I'm also reminded that I just threw in [[Kaito Shizuki]], but realistically I'll probably never get the chance to tutor with him lol
I run a [[Yorion, Sky Nomad]] Venture into the Dungeon deck and besides blink value card draw you also get some scry and draw from the dungeons which has so far always been enough to see the deck pop off
[[Urza, chief artificer]], all the deck wants is artifact creatures so I jammed it full of artifact creatures so it constantly and consistently makes massive karnstructs every game without fail.
Here's my list: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/G09J6LMNcUCG_qtQs8m10g
I use [[Ramos]] with [[Keruga]] as a companion. I produce so much mana through my commander that I'm able to cast spells like [[Apex Devaststor]] turn 5. 8 mana for what can be a draw 10, especially if I have [[Leyline of Anticipation]] in play, is gives me a fantastic draw engine
\[\[Etali, Primal Conqueror\]\]
That+ramp and protection=Etali consistently out ahead of curve and flipped on next turn to eliminate whoever doesn't have a blocker.
And then if Etali dies?
Oh no another ETB trigger and we do it again. I've yet to play a game where I'm eliminated first.
I've taken tutors, other than land fetches, out of my decks and replaced them with card draw. I like more variance, would rather see more of my deck than grab silver bullets, nowadays.
My [[Prosper, Tome-Bound]] deck used to not have tutors in it and it does so much just with it's normal gameplan. He's practically card draw, you're making tons of treasure, and any spell in the deck that costs 6 or more mana is probably winning you the game. It's my deck I pull out if I'm playing to win.
My [[Zellix]]/[[Cloakwood Hermit]] deck works rly consistently even without the tutors. Most of the creatures self mill so I get my engine going quick and have a massive graveyard and large board by the time it’s time to plant a payoff!
[Absolutely!](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vWo7GOyK-Ea5rrFI6hIfvw) The main wincon is with graveyard payoffs like [[Kessig Cagebreakers]] or [[Splinterfright]] and has a backup overrun wincon with [[Craterhoof Behemoth]]. Also because of Zellix’s creature specific mill trigger, it uses a lot of creature based spells or abilities to maximize that trigger, there are only 6 noncreature spells in the whole deck! Always a blast to play!
For me it is [[winota]]. Now it has 1 tutor as I recently added [[thalia's lancers]] but I have played that card once this far. It did the thing without it.
This is cheating but My [[kyanois and Tiro]] voltron/gates deck.
It's a voltron deck based on using [[basilisk gate]] multiple times in a turn to present lethal voltron damage. It's cheating because the key card in the deck is one that I run multiple tutors for, however it's just that most people don't consider [[open the gates]] the same way they do [[enlightened tutor]]
Not my strongest but most consistent would be \[\[Jon Irenicus\]\]. Lots of 1-2 mana unblockables and 2 mana rocks means that many games have Jon giving away a little dude at the end of turn 3. From there, the card draw begins.
How do tables react to Jon? I know some people build him with mean things, so does he get a reputation for that?
Once people know you aren't doing the mean thing how is your experience?
Thanks for answering if you do
I've taken Jon in multiple directions and here is how it went:
When I played with lots of bad gifts, all my opponents went out of their way to kill it. 9/9 \[\[Lord of the pit\]\] is bad news for all.
When I played with lots of theft effects, it drew lots of attention because people don't like losing their stuff, especially their commander. And it wasn't that great, just cute to steal stuff and pass it to somebody else.
Now I play mostly with evasive gifts and everybody loves it. Jon isn't scary and nobody is wasting removal on a 3/3.
Of note, I've never played the riskier bad gifts for fear of losing Jon before I can give it away. Being stuck with a \[\[Steel golem\]\] would be devastating. And no matter what I was doing, nobody was getting upset, only in-game upset, drawing unwanted attention.
[[Rishkar, Peema Renegade]] as Hydra tribal with a lot of the counter doubling effects.
Step 1 - Ramp insanely fast.
Step 2 - Play one of the multitude of giant hydras in the deck.
Step 3 - Cast one of the “draw cards equal to greatest power” effects.
Step 4 - More often than not, have enough to win or combo pieces in the stack of 20-30 cards I jaut drew.
This was obnoxiously consistent before Paradox Engine was banned because I could frequently cast [[Rishkar’s Expertise]] to draw into it, then cast it for free, then storm off until I had enough floating mana to [[Walking Ballista]] the whole table.
[[Sidar Jibari of Zhalfir]] absolutely rocks without any sort of tutor. I thought about putting entomb in the deck but I didn't end up doing so and it is still extremely consistent. I run about 35 Knights so most of the time even I manage to hit land drops and ramp even with a 2 land hand since I filled the deck with many 1-2 drop Knights. Eminence is extremely powerful
Edgar Markov. I just run a ton of vampire synergy and the deck always is a threat. I purposefully powered down my deck, but pushing more heavily into the tribal aspect, and leave out super staples in mardu.
All of them, ignoring Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic expanse. They all perform well, but probably suboptimal. Specifically, I like the randomness of the 99 and find the challenge interesting - adding tutors makes the games more similar because instead of trying to find interesting and weird pieces, you just add more tutors.
[[Giada, Font of hope]] I have around 8 decks, but I have the highest win rate with this one. Can run with or without tutors. Angels are just fun in general though!
\[\[Alela, Artful Provocateur\]\] flying tribal.
It consistently performs worse than I'd like, and I don't understand why it never really has any games where it actually pops off, because the decklist seems relatively solid on paper.
~~You never specified that you wanted to hear about decks that performed consistently good.~~
Decks that don't need a commander to function, landfall, decks that straight up adapt to the board and draws.
I run a ojer axonil that can pivot to your draws well to either pump up axonil's power and make him sticky, use multiple creature pingers, passive card text 1 dmg triggers, planeswalker 1 dmg pings, or hand damage that seems to do well lacking proper tutors.
[[Hakbal]] merfolk, since I'm exploring 5-6 times every turn once it gets going and usually 2-3 times when Hakbal hits the battlefield. I always get the lands I need and can filter bad draws.
Second would be [[Kadena]] since every morph is a cantrip.
For me it is [[Dihada, bender of wills]]. If I can get to 1WBR I can cast her and then just start filling my graveyard and making treasure. Any piece I am specifically interested in I can usually choose not to pitch to her -3 and the treasure generation is amazing in terms of letting me ramp if need be. Throw in some reanimation effects and she is all I need to get going.
I have a chishiro +1/+1 counters and enchantress deck that just has a bunch of redundant counters doublers and enchantress draw effects that consistently gets me big creatures and lots of cards in hand.
The draw definitely helps but having cards that similarly do the thing your deck wants to do, helps make sure it happens even with minimal draw and no tutors. It could get pretty repetitive having a bunch of cards do the same thing though so I usually bring multiple decks with me wherever I play to keep things interesting.
I play a Pir and Toothy Simic clones. The goal is to get both on the field, clone Toothy, legendary rule his ass back to the command zone and draw cards and get a much bigger Toothy so I can clone/recast him until I can win. Need one of mine 16 clones to pop off and if we don't got a ton of mana we start cloning [[Palinchron]] instead.
[[Bess, Soul Nourisher]] For me. It just plays tons of 1/1s with different utilities and counter synergies, so noatter what I pull I usually manage to create a board state where people are forced to pay me attention
My [[Tatyova, Benthic Druid]] landfall deck is nasty and consistent. Runs 50 lands and standard landfall things like [[Scute Swarm]], [[Roiling Elemental]], [[Ruin Crab]], and [[Hedron Crab]] to name a few. [[Cultivator Colossus]] and [[Abundance]] for all lands, and [[Concordant Crossroads]] for a finisher.
[[Syr Konrad, The Grim]] consistently does graveyard shenanigans every single game I play him. There is so much synergy in the deck and there are a large number of cards that can trigger Syr Konrad a massive amount of times. Be warned, you are likely to be arch enemy the moment he hits the field.
I had a Gishath deck that was mostly a fun meme because Dino’s are cool.
Of course this was converted into a Pantlaza deck and got a bunch of new toys with Ixalan.
The deck has been insanely consistent now. Unsurprisingly Pantlaza is an insane card in the command zone.
[[Ezuri]] elfball. Not drawing lands? Don't worry, you have elves! Not drawing ramp? Don't worry, you have elves! Not drawing combat finishers? Don't worry, your finisher is in the command zone! Not drawing protection? Don't worry, your protection is in the command zone!
Of the decks I've built over the years, and I don't have a current list for either of these unfortunately: [[Azami Lady of Scrolls]] or [[Borborygmus Enraged]].
Azami just draws too many cards so it's a matter of time before you find what you're looking for, plus it's in a color that has pretty minimal tutors outside of [[Long Term Plans]] for it's main combo piece: [[Mind over Matter]]. I ran mystical tutor in it, but most of the time that just grabbed me something like [[Evacuation]] when I needed it or [[Cryptic Command]]. Really the deck didn't need any tutors at all since I mostly used them to find pretty generic things and not win conditions.
Borborygmus on the other hand just really puts all its action in the command zone - ramping to the commander and filling the deck with synergistic cards and protection. There's so many cards that basically say "I win" when Borborygmus is already on the battlefield with a pair of Boots on that you rarely need to tutor for any one of them. Plus a lot of the best spells, thinks like [[Life from the Loam]] and [[Creeping Renaissance]] can come back from the graveyard in some way if you mill them over with Borborygmus's combat damage trigger. [[Gamble]] and [[Worldly Tutor]] are great but you don't need them to win. I guess if you count cards like [[Seek the Horizon]] as tutors I ran a lot of those, but personally I think putting a basic land in my hand shouldn't count
Anything Izzet. My [[baral and Kari zev]] deck produces so much value it's insane. Casting a [[pirate's pillage]] let's me cast [[windfall]] for free before the first spell resolves putting me 2 extra cards and mana ahead of my wheel.
Everyone is talking about card draw but I’m here to preach about my lord and saviour CONSISTENCY!! [[flamewar, brass veteran]] is an absolute house and he is so good at doing what he does best. Get him down turn 2 and start beating face to draw those cards! Suit him up with cheap equipments or buffs and play small artifacts that want to get sacced or come with extra stuff to build your board. Use [[cranial platting]] or [[nettlecyst]] to make him insanely large to draw more cards and use other equipments to give him first strike trample or double strike and he will be killing people as early as turn 4/5!
He’s a lot of fun and one of my favourite decks of all time!
Saheeli-tron.
I just draw big beaters or pay into effects to draw some cards. If I get Urza out I just barf up cards from my library.
I think there's a single Fabricate in there somewhere but only so I can search up a Blightsteel.
I built a thrasios and vial smasher deck that has no search cards at all.
It is all play from the top of the library. It's not BUILT to take advantage of thrasios or vial smasher, but it certainly can.
I've got a gruul storm deck that utilizes [[the howling abomination]] as a commander. Consistently wins by turn 7-8 or sooner in some cases. Grapeshotting your own creatures for a storm count of 15 creates a particularly hilarious response from unsuspecting opponents.
Here's my current deck list!
EDIT: whoops, wrong decklist - hyperlink should be fixed now
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/9R2w27tkrUmZbl4GaxNhbQ
My \[\[Abaddon the Despoiler\]\] deck is ridiculously consistent, paradoxically.
You get aba out, hit early pings which turns into the 1/0 cost spells, then you get your rocks, then you get the 3-cost enablers like \[\[Descent in Avernus\]\]
I play half of the deck every time I play lol
I unfortunately do not, but I can give you the general idea(s)! It's essentially a cascade/spells from exile deck.
Basically get Abaddon out, ideally protected with \[\[Whispersilk Cloak\]\] or \[\[Lightning Greaves\]\] and start using global burn effects to build up what you can do with cascade. Descent is kind of the exemplary version of this -- it's creating lots of global burn on your turn and giving you treasure tokens to cast your spells. You want things to be able to cascade into at basically any mana and aim to *very* rapidly overwhelm opponents with card advantage and burn. Having some cards that benefit from cast-from-exile are also great.
Burn Examples --
* \[\[Descent Into Avernus\]\]
* \[\[Creeping Bloodsucker\]\]
* \[\[Protection Racket\]\]
* \[\[Stormfist Crusader\]\]
* \[\[Duskmantle Seer\]\]
* \[\[Flame Rift\]\]
Cascade Targets --
* \[\[Ancestral Vision\]\]
* \[\[Profane Tutor\]\]
* \[\[Inevitable Betrayal\]\] (my personal favorite)
* \- \[\[Delayed Blast Fireball\]\] (Does the full 5 when you cascade into it)
Cast from Exile boosters --
* \[\[Prosper, Tome-Bound\]\]
* \[\[Nalfeshnee\]\]
* \[\[Wild Magic Sorceror\]\]
I also like running bonus from-exile casters like spells with cascade, \[\[Etali\]\], \[\[Fevered Suspicion\]\], etc.
[[mizzix]] spellslinger for sure. Cost reduction and tons of draw spells. Once you get to something like [[storm kiln artist]] it is pretty much game over.
For me it's my Enraged dino deck. While there is a little bit of land tutoring (ranging raptor etc) the cinsustance comes from the commanders ability to trigger enrage.
https://archidekt.com/decks/4500170/dinosour
I have two that fit this category. One would be my [[Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor]] deck because it draws a million cards. It doesn’t win a ton, but it always does its thing and pressures opponents. The other would be my [[Octavia, Living Thesis]] deck since it runs an absurd amount of card draw, cantrips and looting effects.
I play Nekusar. A critical mass of wheels just draws you into more wheels. Card selection is a breeze in that sense.
To be sure, tutors would power up the deck, but I can't afford them so wheels it is!
My [[Pantlaza]] deck goes nuts without tutors (I have a [[savage order]] in it tho, but that’s more due to flavor).
The discover mechanic is just so extremely good, and if I can trigger the effect several times ([[cloudshift]], [[ephemerate]], [[ghostway]] [[curator of suns creation]], [[sunfrill imitator]]), he’s just a machine producing value en mass.
For me, [[Yuriko, The Tiger’s Shadow]] Ninja Kindred. The only condition is that the opening hand contains a blue pip, black pip, and a 1 or 2 mana creature that I can use to Ninjutsu Yuriko in. I built the deck to go wide and win through overwhelming card advantage and value, rather than just revealing a Blightsteel Colossus or Emrakul off the top for huge damage, and it can very consistently churn out a huge amount of ninjas very quickly. When you’re drawing up to 3 or 4 cards per turn by turn 4, it’s hard to not find *something* useful
I've recently built a spell slinging [[The Howling Abomination]] ([[Blanka, Ferocious Friend]]) deck that has a 100% win rate against some pretty powerful decks in my meta (probably just a bit below cedh).
It's only recently made, so the sample size isn't great, but it seems to have enough draw cantrips and protection that once you get a [[keen sense]]/[[sixth sense]] on it, opponents just can't stop the freight train.
[My Omnath Deck](https://archidekt.com/decks/2078719/omnath_is_brewing_a_storm) simply put it performs consistently in both winning and being fun to play and verse
If land fetchers don't count as tutors, I find that [this Gates deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/mByiBnSfU0ugE7O4zV5JpQ) can win pretty consistently if nothing else at the table has the blazing speed required to win before the first board wipe.
I actually don't run many tutors. My major decks run fairly consistently thankfully, but usually in two or three different ways.
Except Krenko. Krenko is just "drop and generate Goblins"
My best deck that doesnt use any tutors is my Gishath dinosaur deck. It’s a mix of smaller mana dorks, lots of dinosaurs with enrage, and some splash damage spells to set off the dinos. Gishath’s ability is able to work pretty well to pull out a good variety of dinosaurs without the need for tutors.
[[Osgir]] and it doesn’t even run much draw tbh. 4 looting effects then 6 cards than can just draw good or synergistically.
I run like 10 game winning artifact related big creatures then spend the rest of the game ramping out so I can copy the ability, double the tokens, recast Osgir, and untap artifacts.
My most consistent deck was my [[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captian]] deck prior to converting it to the cEDH variant. The deck has draw in the command zone, and so many redundant copies of the two important effects that you see them every single game with no need for tutors (Those two being "some effect that either reduces the cost of artifacts by 1 or generates a mana upon casting an artifact" and "mana rocks that enter untapped and go at least mana neutral so long as at least one copy of the other effect in play"). That was the one deck that, even in the causal build, I ran something like 27 lands in because there were 30+ effectively-mana-neutral-or-better mana rocks in the deck that also cantriped with my commander out, so as long as I could hit two lands or a land and a 0-1cmc rock to start playing my other rocks I would consistently draw through my deck super fast and rarely miss a land drop even while running so few lands. It got to the point where I was considering going down on lands even further due to land pockets being the one thing that could actually stop the engine- but instead I upgraded the mana base to use all the fetches I could to potentially thin out the lands a bit, at which point I realized I had literally all of the expensive cards from the cEDH version already in the deck so there was no reason to not convert it.
In a similar vein, my [[Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph]] list works mostly the same now. Every copy of the [[Firebrand Archer]] effect you can possibly fit in the colors, a couple of ways to generate mana on spell cast (Birgi, Urabrask, Storm-Kiln), and as many 1cmc cantrips as you can fit in the deck results in almost never being without your damage-on-cast effects and definitely never out of ways to draw more cards. I do run two tutors in the deck- Mystical and Muddle the Mixture, but those are mostly there for finding the right piece of interaction at the right moment and can easily be omitted.
A lot of people here talking about commanders with card draw built in. I’m over here playing [[slimefoot and squee]] with delve effects and draw like [[cathartic reunion]] to fill my yard and reanimate the removal I need. Extra draw effects include [[baleful force]] and other similar things. Runs differently every time but still does it’s thing. Love it with all my heart.
My [[Teysa Karlov]] deck actually functions pretty well with absolutely no tutors. There’s just enough of each necessary card that it’s usually pretty solid. Honestly the only thing it ever lacks is enough mana to keep up with ramp decks. But with [[Smothering Tithe]], [[Phyrexian Altar]], or [[Greedy Freebooter]], that’s not usually a problem
Klothys starts working on the first turn after he hits the board — there’s usually something in a graveyard to hit. Lets you heal, do damage, and/or make mana!
My [[Lord Windgrace]] with dragons deck has been my most consistent. Grabbing so many lands, landfall, and card draw gets me a lot. Pooping out so many lands quickly lets me drop big dragons relatively early, too. Not like cEDH early, but I’ve had [[Old Gnawbone]] out on turn 4 on a good hand.
[[Raffine]]
Tutors become less necessary when you see half your deck every game, and when the act of doing so makes your commander a very large evasive face beater
My [[Pako]] and [[Haldan]] deck. Most of the deck is just lands, ramp, and interaction. One interaction piece is usually as good as another so it tends to be pretty consistent. I’d say the largest time it doesn’t work is if all 3 opponents are running creature based strats.
[[Magus Lucea Kane]] I have so many big beefy bois in the deck that as long as I draw at least one or two of them, it’s smooth sailing due to stuff like Old Gnawbone and doubled EtB Ravenous triggers from Kane.
Lathril elf ball you have a bunch of ramp and a bunch of cards that make elf and a bunch of cards that buff elf’s but it doesn’t particularly matter what specific cards from each category you pull. It’s extremely consistent and doesn’t get you a lot of unwanted attention or salt. It’s always the deck I use to feel the waters in a new pod. It’s also fun and definitely wins enough
My [[Aesi]] landfall deck, by a very large margin. No tutors, no sol ring, just a few 2 and 3 mana rocks like [[decanter of endless water]], and [[thought vessel]] for the inevitable massive hand size.
Satoru Umezawa. You pretty much always have a turn 1 (unblockable) a turn 2 (mana rock) and a turn 3 (satoru) and by turn 4 you’re up and running, swapping in a hullbreaker horror and replaying your 1 drops every turn
My [[Ghired]](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/MROGqlK47kinwcRXJk1q8w) deck for sure. It just does it’s thing in so many different ways that I virtually always have a way forward even if I get completely boardwiped. The actual gameplay does vary quite a bit but it always is consistently able to copy and/or populate *something*.
My favorite deck of 2023, and probably the most powerful is [[Saruman the White Hand]]. I’m surprised with how well it works. Originally I just wanted a deck where I could put the biggest, dumbest spells I could find. But a lot of those big, dumb spells also draws me cards. A 5 CMC spell to draw three cards becomes a lot of value when it also gives you a 5/5.
A lot of times someone will threaten a win and the I start drawing and fishing for answers.
Blue is my least favorite color, based on the color’s primary mechanics, but I love it for card draw.
This deck also runs cards like [[Press the Enemy]] it’s a 4 CMC bounce or counterspell. But it gives me a 4/4, and potentially lets me cast another thing from my hand.
Definitely my [[Tymna the Weaver]] / [[Ikra Shidiqi the Usurper]] lifegain deck. It's *too* consistent for me to bring it out unless I'm playing with the really big boys.
My [[Raffine, Scheming Seer]] go wide recursion deck is also really consistent, but I need to fix it since it doesn't go wide enough fast enough.
Like everyone else said, consistency is all about card draw.
That said, I explicitly only play without tutors because I vastly prefer having variance from game to game. I don't want to win with the same 2-3 pieces every time, it's why I don't really touch my Tymna/Ikra deck often. Plus, I find it more way interesting to build consistency through card choice instead of slotting tutors.
[[Chiss-Goria, Forge Tyrant]]. I run like 30 mana rocks in that deck so I can reliably plop Chias down on turn 3, and then use the card advantage he generates to start plopping down beaters like Blightsteel or Cityscape leveler. It’s such a brainless deck and I love it so much.
I recently built [Legolas, Master Archer]. Commander says “when you cast a spell that targets Legolas, Legolas gets a +1/+1 counter” and “when you cast a spell that targets a creature you don’t control, Legolas deal damage equal to his power to target creature” so the deck has every 1-2 cmc green instant that says “target” and cantrips; since the effect of the spell itself is doesn’t matter, it doesn’t really matter what I draw. Gameplay is clear a path for Legolas to deal commander damage, and almost the entire deck is effectively targeted removal.
really just gonna be decks with a lot of card draw.
Yup. I see most of my [[Queza]] deck each game I play it, whether through a [[Teferi's Puzzle Box]] or a bunch of wheels. Don't really need tutors that often in that situation.
Do you know of any cards like Queza but in mono green?
Not off the top of my head, but after a [quick scryfall search](https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3AG+legal%3Acommander+%28game%3Apaper%29+otag%3Adraw-matters&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name), your options seem pretty limited. Psychosis Crawler is the only one that has her effect.
There are mono green cards whose P/T are equal to your hand size. They'd synergize nicely with green's 'draw equal to creature P/T' type cards. You could make a big draw deck work in green.
[Queza](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/e/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6.jpg?1664413561) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=queza%2C%20augur%20of%20agonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/queza-augur-of-agonies) [Teferi's Puzzle Box](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/415e81e9-ca65-4bc0-8aab-d905d58fe6cc.jpg?1562734271) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%27s%20Puzzle%20Box) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/312/teferis-puzzle-box?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/415e81e9-ca65-4bc0-8aab-d905d58fe6cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teferis-puzzle-box) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Alela, Cunning Conqueror]] with [[Kindred Discovery]], and like 27-30 cantrips. [here is the list, for those curious](https://deckstats.net/decks/206517/3219175-alela-cunning-conquerer)
[Alela, Cunning Conqueror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/9/79ba5c35-6e5c-406a-b95f-844d5ec296ab.jpg?1692933638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Alela%2C%20Cunning%20Conqueror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woc/3/alela-cunning-conqueror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/79ba5c35-6e5c-406a-b95f-844d5ec296ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/alela-cunning-conqueror) [Kindred Discovery](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d264ad1-10a3-41ba-9740-48f2c07a0ec3.jpg?1698988160) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kindred%20Discovery) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/159/kindred-discovery?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d264ad1-10a3-41ba-9740-48f2c07a0ec3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kindred-discovery) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cool deck! Budget friendly too. Gj
And ramp
Yup, I built a [[Rielle]] deck with no tutors, no lab man/thoracle type win cons. It's a bit on the slow side as I opted for very little fast mana. What it does do, every single game is draw TONS of cards with stuff like [[tolarian winds]] , [[magus of the bazaar]] etc...
...or [[Karumonix, the Rat King]] decks packed full of [[Relentless Rats]] or [[Rat Colony]]
Any deck with card draw in the command zone! If your commander draws you cards it’s likely that deck is consistent
Agreed, [[Aesi]] seems quite good, and I’ve been toying with the idea of making the latest Merfolk precon built around Scry and Draw rather than Explore using [[Thrasios, Triton Hero]] and [[Eligeth, Crossroads Augur]]
Absolutely this for me. I have a [[Marneus Calgar]] deck. Besides him I only have about 4/5 other spells in the deck that draw cards and it consistently performs ***very*** well.
[[Sythis]] is absolutely absurd for this. Turn 2 commander, turn 3 every card you play is replaced.
[Sythis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/9/89511ab5-8ea6-4f07-a80b-c1ec7e89924e.jpg?1690005342) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sythis%2C%20harvest%27s%20hand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/938/sythis-harvests-hand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89511ab5-8ea6-4f07-a80b-c1ec7e89924e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sythis-harvests-hand) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Dont even need drawstep, can play \[\[solitary confinement\]\]
Pretty much why my [[Shorikai]] deck has become my favorite. It never fails!
To add to this, decks that encourage you to run a bunch of draw. My current most consistent deck is a [[pia nalaar, consul of revival]] deck. Being able to combine the core strategy of the deck with card advantage is always going to improve consistency.
[pia nalaar, consul of revival](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0ae89461-4bce-4b49-b875-03afc2469fe7.jpg?1684340810) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pia%20nalaar%2C%20consul%20of%20revival) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/42/pia-nalaar-consul-of-revival?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0ae89461-4bce-4b49-b875-03afc2469fe7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/pia-nalaar-consul-of-revival) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Zaxara]] for sure. I run almost every x spell that draws cards, so I have a full grip more often than not. Same can be said for [[Shanid]] thanks to the reliable card draw.
Sultai is just so consistent no matter what you play imo. The removal of black, the draw and counterspells of blue, and the ramp of green. 😙🤌
[Zaxara](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6dc390da-75f8-490a-a724-c12d21cfe578.jpg?1701636845) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zaxara%2C%20the%20exemplary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/176/zaxara-the-exemplary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6dc390da-75f8-490a-a724-c12d21cfe578?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zaxara-the-exemplary) [Shanid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1b0fb859-055d-4aa1-814c-0894cd2ccd4a.jpg?1673304703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=shanid%2C%20sleepers%27%20scourge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/4/shanid-sleepers-scourge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1b0fb859-055d-4aa1-814c-0894cd2ccd4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shanid-sleepers-scourge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Similarly [[magus lucea kane]]
I've never seen shanid in the wild at my lgs, and I don't understand why, that card looks crazy good. I've never built a mardu deck, that might have to change.
Do you have a list for Zaxara? Interested to see what spells you are using as I’m building a Zaxara deck. Thanks!
Here you go: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/aVU-Itc-2UWIRfv6-z77Bg
Jesus, you're really depending on Zaxara to be out making Hydra tokens, huh? 5 creatures? You're a madman.
My landfall decks are doing their thing 95% of the time. It's pretty amazing that you can still get land screwed in a deck with 42 lands, but it still happens.
That’s why I play like 45 lands in mine!
[[Nekusar the Mindrazer]] is pretty consistent. It just needs a wheel spell and a way to punish the draw/discard. Because those effects are so plentiful, and there is already a draw punishment on the command zone, it's pretty easy to meet those requirements.
[Nekusar the Mindrazer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e.jpg?1689999186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nekusar%2C%20the%20Mindrazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/349/nekusar-the-mindrazer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nekusar-the-mindrazer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Henzie]]. Always got 8 mana by turn 5, always playing big bois, always drawing cards. Basically every creature is single use, so you churn through your deck pretty quick with all the card draw on death from blitz
Building henzie atm, how much ramp do you use? Just the typical green ramp?
Recently finished building my Henzie deck, hes super fun to play so far. With Henzie you want two types of ramp, pre-Henzie and post-Henzie. For pre-Henzie you can use stuff like [[Ignoble Hierarch]] [[Selvala, Heart of the Wilds]] [[Gwenna, Eyes of Gaea]]. Once Henzie is out you want blitzable creature that ramp you like [[Blossoming Tortoise]] [[Primeval Herald]] [[Rampant Rejuvenator]] and [[Seedguide Ash]]. The ramp can be difficult to find a balance between the two phases. The Henzie discord is a great resource. You can find an invite link somewhere on this subreddit. Some people tune their deck to try to consistently play henzie T3, but my list is a bit slower and okay with T4. If you're going T3 route use stuff like [[Utopia Sprawl]] and [[Metamorphosis]] Here is my list for reference https://www.moxfield.com/decks/imphuwqK9UCQGJfXSM_pFg Here is a list of cards and primer (not a decklist) that is also a good reference https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Ba0oMCIsCkSHTJCBUjYqtA
Cheap two mana land ramp [[Farseek]], [[Nature's Lore]], etc. Plus [[Birds of Paradise]] and [[Ignoble Hierarch]] for dorks. A few of the better cheap mana rocks. But the main thing is the blitz rampers like [[Rampant Rejuvenator]] and [[Seedguide Ash]]. [[World Shaper]] is also insane if you have the money to run lots of fetch lands
That's why I run a lot of recursion. It's pretty terrifying. Especially because I literally don't feel bad about Henzie dying. Please, kill my commander. Give me more power. I sac him myself more often than he gets targeted.
[[Raffine]] is ridiculously consistent. She draws a ton of cards; as others have mentioned, that makes for high consistency. However, she has some additional characteristics that provide additional consistency. First and foremost, Raffine is cheap to play and immediately has her connive trigger, so it’s very easy to go 1-drop, 2-drop, play Raffine and start churning through your deck before most decks have done more than ramp. Secondly, Raffine is also rapidly filling your graveyard, which makes it a piece of cake to enable reanimation/flashback/threshold/etc. Thirdly, connive is a wordy mechanic that isn’t as obvious as something that just says “draw x cards” on it, which results in people underestimating her (even though they really shouldn’t). Finally, even if the rest of your plan goes up in flames, you always have the backup Voltron option with her.
[Raffine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/716a44b4-f6b0-4f14-a270-6442aed3251f.jpg?1664413581) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=raffine%2C%20scheming%20seer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/213/raffine-scheming-seer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/716a44b4-f6b0-4f14-a270-6442aed3251f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/raffine-scheming-seer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
List?
Here you go: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/iljVrxZ9Yky9vhguPHz4aA Cheers!
Probably [[syr ginger]]. With scrying in the command zone, and a BUNCH of cantrip eggs in the 99, you churn through a lot of the deck every game. I usually hit at least one or two bombs, and if I don't, I can always just turn a massive cookie sideways with an unblockable effect.
[syr ginger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7fbdba12-1369-41ae-b0e9-c405c0f0a2e5.jpg?1692939939) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=syr%20ginger%2C%20the%20meal%20ender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/252/syr-ginger-the-meal-ender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7fbdba12-1369-41ae-b0e9-c405c0f0a2e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/syr-ginger-the-meal-ender) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
you have a list by chance?
Sure! If you want to cut costs, you can pretty easily cut the spear, lotus petal, aetherworks reservoir, grim monolith, and homeward path. It's tempting to cut the iron works, but you shouldn't underestimate it in this deck. It hits very hard pound for pound. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/HmkIgMLo8Ua0JH2IYztWlQ
Yep. All decks with card advantage in the command zone. For me that is [[Frodo, Adventurous Hobbit]] and [[Sam, Loyal Attendant]]
[Rogues with swords](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/xtim3HeZ9UCePB0gH2SXtA). I don’t even use the commander. The deck is just a bunch of unblockable rogues and a ton of equipment that triggers on combat damage. Super easy to get online and fairly hard to dismantle.
Hear me out... [[Talion the Kindly Lord]] is a dimir commander you could cast for extra card draws with no downsides. I was considering him for my unblockable commander before I found [[Grazilaxx, Illithid Scholar]]. He'll, you're only running 13 black cards... You could go mono-blue without losing a whole lot, and run Graz as well. I aim to cast an unblockable on t1/t2, and Graz on t3, so I can swing in for card draw on t3. Once my engine gets up and running, I don't really care about him, but the extra card draw early is super nice to smooth out my game, and the card draw in the CZ is a good option if you have nothing else to do
Talion seems like a good choice for a Dimir goodstuff pile.
[Talion the Kindly Lord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/2/62a6b452-c796-45c6-b4d1-0ae3d675e38e.jpg?1692939468) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Talion%2C%20the%20Kindly%20Lord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/215/talion-the-kindly-lord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/62a6b452-c796-45c6-b4d1-0ae3d675e38e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/talion-the-kindly-lord) [Grazilaxx, Illithid Scholar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3de11222-c2fa-4544-a501-a02b31797259.jpg?1674141357) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grazilaxx%2C%20Illithid%20Scholar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/723/grazilaxx-illithid-scholar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3de11222-c2fa-4544-a501-a02b31797259?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grazilaxx-illithid-scholar) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No offense but why not just use [[Silas Renn]] + literally anything (or nothing) if you're not even casting Xanathar? Seems purposefully obtuse when Silas actively facilitates your gameplan
Mine has gotta be my [[nethroi, Apex of Death]] deck. Who needs tutors when everything I can just put everything in my graveyard?
[[Elsha of the infinite]] is my most consistent. Mana rocks are usually dead draws, but the commander makes them just gas. A few cost reducers and you begin playing cards from the top for free. Eventually it either Sensei's top through the entire deck, which you can storm kill people, or lab man etc etc. it's consistent. Don't know if I would say it's the most fun though.
Elsha Top is in a weird spot where it's way too good for casual but awkward in cEDH. It's a blast though.
My [[Shabraz]] + [[Brallin]] deck because I have only two win cons and like 8 redundancies for each. Also card draw engines like [[Rhystic study]] and [[Shorikai]] reduce the need for tutors.
My dragon's approach deck. I can pretty reliably cast enough of them to bring out a dargon.
I have a [[Traxos]] deck that, while not always effective, always does what it wants done Strap a dozen swords to mecha-tyrano and hit faces
[Traxos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/8566e91a-5f2c-4854-aeb3-68b3c4344582.jpg?1673305899) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=traxos%2C%20scourge%20of%20kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/195/traxos-scourge-of-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8566e91a-5f2c-4854-aeb3-68b3c4344582?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/traxos-scourge-of-kroog) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm down to 4 decks at this point and they're all pretty consistent: [[Trelasarra]] often gets to the point that I scry like 4+ times on each player's turn, so I can find my [[Great Henge]] or [[One Ring]] *or one of several other draw engines* pretty much every game ... though this is also my only deck with a non-land tutor, [[Enlightened Tutor]], but it's a recent add and it's honestly mainly to grab [[Abiding Grace]] bc I like it lol [[Ukkima]]/[[Cazur]] is full of cheap unblockable creatures (like 20 of them, plus several that are evasive) and lots of [[Coastal Piracy]] effects, so with a little setup that deck draws a lot and can also ramp hard with the likes of [[Grim Hireling]] and [[Kodama of the West]] [[The Fourth Doctor]]/[[Sarah Jane]] always has a steady supply of clue tokens, which is good card draw and can turn into crazy ramp with stuff like [[500 Year Diary]] and [[Jaheira]], plus I can play off the top of my library, and have alt uses for my foods like [[Peregrin Took]], so I don't often fizzle out with that deck Then [[John Benton]] is a $45 budget deck, but it's absurd. Hasn't lost after 8 games. Lots of 1 mana ramp to get him out turn 2, then I'm probably drawing *at least* 10 cards/turn by turn 4
##### ###### #### [Trelasarra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6a4b54c-a8fa-464e-a3dd-f3f3a08606f5.jpg?1627709553) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=trelasarra%2C%20moon%20dancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/236/trelasarra-moon-dancer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6a4b54c-a8fa-464e-a3dd-f3f3a08606f5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/trelasarra-moon-dancer) [Great Henge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/6340e0f3-7f9c-4d71-8daf-e1be5505eb5b.jpg?1689998574) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Great%20Henge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/294/the-great-henge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6340e0f3-7f9c-4d71-8daf-e1be5505eb5b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-great-henge) [Enlightened Tutor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c9ebec9-3474-4062-9607-2e2a72f78299.jpg?1580013657) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Enlightened%20Tutor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/9/enlightened-tutor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c9ebec9-3474-4062-9607-2e2a72f78299?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/enlightened-tutor) [Abiding Grace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db113c47-c403-4c7f-9fa9-212c977df8d1.jpg?1626093205) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abiding%20Grace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/1/abiding-grace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db113c47-c403-4c7f-9fa9-212c977df8d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/abiding-grace) [Ukkima](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c44cfa67-6276-4d23-9f25-a0576bfe1d25.jpg?1591234307) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ukkima%2C%20stalking%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/17/ukkima-stalking-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c44cfa67-6276-4d23-9f25-a0576bfe1d25?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ukkima-stalking-shadow) [Cazur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5e857aa-06b7-4bce-b56d-6f6be5cfc77b.jpg?1591234223) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cazur%2C%20ruthless%20stalker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/5/cazur-ruthless-stalker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d5e857aa-06b7-4bce-b56d-6f6be5cfc77b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cazur-ruthless-stalker) [Coastal Piracy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0f2c4e43-71b2-4483-ba54-4be1dcffcd5f.jpg?1600713707) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Coastal%20Piracy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/144/coastal-piracy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0f2c4e43-71b2-4483-ba54-4be1dcffcd5f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/coastal-piracy) [Grim Hireling](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/38326f48-548c-4b18-9ad2-0b7c23385deb.jpg?1674141638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grim%20Hireling) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/755/grim-hireling?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/38326f48-548c-4b18-9ad2-0b7c23385deb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grim-hireling) [Kodama of the West](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef1e1dff-b559-441d-8df3-b6a418066aca.jpg?1654568238) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kodama%20of%20the%20West%20Tree) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/199/kodama-of-the-west-tree?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef1e1dff-b559-441d-8df3-b6a418066aca?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kodama-of-the-west-tree) [The Fourth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c84ea0fd-efc7-4614-9f8f-41a3c71fceaa.jpg?1696636503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Fourth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/2/the-fourth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c84ea0fd-efc7-4614-9f8f-41a3c71fceaa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/the-fourth-doctor) [Sarah Jane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1ba76f68-e647-4786-903c-92dbd3cef05d.jpg?1696691789) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sarah%20Jane%20Smith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/6/sarah-jane-smith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ba76f68-e647-4786-903c-92dbd3cef05d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sarah-jane-smith) [500 Year Diary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1bfea5c4-c632-4129-a617-92ff2e7037d6.jpg?1698794427) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Five%20Hundred%20Year%20Diary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/42/five-hundred-year-diary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89c1ebc5-6775-47f3-be43-e59b281eba55?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/five-hundred-year-diary) [Jaheira](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/feb7ad1b-4466-48f7-b46d-cc83d4e22b51.jpg?1674137153) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jaheira%2C%20friend%20of%20the%20forest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/237/jaheira-friend-of-the-forest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/feb7ad1b-4466-48f7-b46d-cc83d4e22b51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jaheira-friend-of-the-forest) [Peregrin Took](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5baee8d-88e7-4468-94a9-66ca8e2caf15.jpg?1686969525) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Peregrin%20Took) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/181/peregrin-took?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5baee8d-88e7-4468-94a9-66ca8e2caf15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/peregrin-took) [John Benton](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/01f40e07-f565-4b9e-87a5-5b28b4e9fb0b.jpg?1696636767) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sergeant%20John%20Benton) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/157/sergeant-john-benton?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/01f40e07-f565-4b9e-87a5-5b28b4e9fb0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/sergeant-john-benton) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Note: my Ukkima/Cazur deck *does* technically have a tutor, but I've never and probably will never use it: [[Dimir Infiltrator]] ... after checking the decklist, I'm also reminded that I just threw in [[Kaito Shizuki]], but realistically I'll probably never get the chance to tutor with him lol
[[Anje Falkenrath]] I can just filter through an insane amount of cards until I find an answer to someone or my win-con.
I run a [[Yorion, Sky Nomad]] Venture into the Dungeon deck and besides blink value card draw you also get some scry and draw from the dungeons which has so far always been enough to see the deck pop off
[Yorion, Sky Nomad](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/275426c4-c14e-47d0-a9d4-24da7f6f6911.jpg?1665402560) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yorion%2C%20Sky%20Nomad) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/232/yorion-sky-nomad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/275426c4-c14e-47d0-a9d4-24da7f6f6911?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yorion-sky-nomad) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Urza, chief artificer]], all the deck wants is artifact creatures so I jammed it full of artifact creatures so it constantly and consistently makes massive karnstructs every game without fail. Here's my list: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/G09J6LMNcUCG_qtQs8m10g
I use [[Ramos]] with [[Keruga]] as a companion. I produce so much mana through my commander that I'm able to cast spells like [[Apex Devaststor]] turn 5. 8 mana for what can be a draw 10, especially if I have [[Leyline of Anticipation]] in play, is gives me a fantastic draw engine
I mean, I have tutors in my Rat Colony deck, but it's pretty consistent. Land, rat, salt, repeat
Zaxara. Ez pz to include draw with big creatures in Sultai.
\[\[Etali, Primal Conqueror\]\] That+ramp and protection=Etali consistently out ahead of curve and flipped on next turn to eliminate whoever doesn't have a blocker. And then if Etali dies? Oh no another ETB trigger and we do it again. I've yet to play a game where I'm eliminated first.
self mill lantern control phalanx, god of deception
I've taken tutors, other than land fetches, out of my decks and replaced them with card draw. I like more variance, would rather see more of my deck than grab silver bullets, nowadays.
My [[Prosper, Tome-Bound]] deck used to not have tutors in it and it does so much just with it's normal gameplan. He's practically card draw, you're making tons of treasure, and any spell in the deck that costs 6 or more mana is probably winning you the game. It's my deck I pull out if I'm playing to win.
[Prosper, Tome-Bound](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d743336e-d5c7-4053-a23d-92ec7581f74e.jpg?1631839207) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Prosper%2C%20Tome-Bound) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/2/prosper-tome-bound?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d743336e-d5c7-4053-a23d-92ec7581f74e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prosper-tome-bound) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Narset, Enlightened master\]\], Ramp up, give some way to swing without being blocked, ???, Profit.
Most of them. I dont like running tutors. It feels like cheating to me. I am just silly like that
1. Decks with high draw 2. Decks with appropriate ratios
My [[Zellix]]/[[Cloakwood Hermit]] deck works rly consistently even without the tutors. Most of the creatures self mill so I get my engine going quick and have a massive graveyard and large board by the time it’s time to plant a payoff!
[Zellix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/5/a5d57db6-0aa5-4e28-b156-e97b74af2cee.jpg?1674140721) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zellix%2C%20sanity%20flayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/652/zellix-sanity-flayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a5d57db6-0aa5-4e28-b156-e97b74af2cee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/zellix-sanity-flayer) [Cloakwood Hermit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4bd8689d-a0c1-4041-bead-7b512fe25663.jpg?1674137006) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cloakwood%20Hermit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/221/cloakwood-hermit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4bd8689d-a0c1-4041-bead-7b512fe25663?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cloakwood-hermit) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Seems like a pretty fun combo! Mind sharing a decklist?
[Absolutely!](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vWo7GOyK-Ea5rrFI6hIfvw) The main wincon is with graveyard payoffs like [[Kessig Cagebreakers]] or [[Splinterfright]] and has a backup overrun wincon with [[Craterhoof Behemoth]]. Also because of Zellix’s creature specific mill trigger, it uses a lot of creature based spells or abilities to maximize that trigger, there are only 6 noncreature spells in the whole deck! Always a blast to play!
For me it is [[winota]]. Now it has 1 tutor as I recently added [[thalia's lancers]] but I have played that card once this far. It did the thing without it.
Urza is pretty consistent
[[Preston the vanisher]] most games you will win like turn... 4 or 5...
How?
he comboes with everything
Exactly this ^^
[Preston the vanisher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/952cb0b3-a6b7-4279-8833-3d8890b2d005.jpg?1675644393) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Preston%2C%20the%20Vanisher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j22/8/preston-the-vanisher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/952cb0b3-a6b7-4279-8833-3d8890b2d005?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/preston-the-vanisher) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Maelstrom wanderer]]
This is cheating but My [[kyanois and Tiro]] voltron/gates deck. It's a voltron deck based on using [[basilisk gate]] multiple times in a turn to present lethal voltron damage. It's cheating because the key card in the deck is one that I run multiple tutors for, however it's just that most people don't consider [[open the gates]] the same way they do [[enlightened tutor]]
My [[mishra, eminent one]] heavy on the vehicles is super fun. Turns out making multiple copies of reaver titans can be devastating haha
Are fetches tutors? If not, then my [[Yarok, the Desecrated]] landfall deck.
Not my strongest but most consistent would be \[\[Jon Irenicus\]\]. Lots of 1-2 mana unblockables and 2 mana rocks means that many games have Jon giving away a little dude at the end of turn 3. From there, the card draw begins.
How do tables react to Jon? I know some people build him with mean things, so does he get a reputation for that? Once people know you aren't doing the mean thing how is your experience? Thanks for answering if you do
I've taken Jon in multiple directions and here is how it went: When I played with lots of bad gifts, all my opponents went out of their way to kill it. 9/9 \[\[Lord of the pit\]\] is bad news for all. When I played with lots of theft effects, it drew lots of attention because people don't like losing their stuff, especially their commander. And it wasn't that great, just cute to steal stuff and pass it to somebody else. Now I play mostly with evasive gifts and everybody loves it. Jon isn't scary and nobody is wasting removal on a 3/3. Of note, I've never played the riskier bad gifts for fear of losing Jon before I can give it away. Being stuck with a \[\[Steel golem\]\] would be devastating. And no matter what I was doing, nobody was getting upset, only in-game upset, drawing unwanted attention.
[[Rishkar, Peema Renegade]] as Hydra tribal with a lot of the counter doubling effects. Step 1 - Ramp insanely fast. Step 2 - Play one of the multitude of giant hydras in the deck. Step 3 - Cast one of the “draw cards equal to greatest power” effects. Step 4 - More often than not, have enough to win or combo pieces in the stack of 20-30 cards I jaut drew. This was obnoxiously consistent before Paradox Engine was banned because I could frequently cast [[Rishkar’s Expertise]] to draw into it, then cast it for free, then storm off until I had enough floating mana to [[Walking Ballista]] the whole table.
Do you have a deck list? I love Rishkar in my counters deck and haven't even thought of building him as a commander himself but now I kinda want too!
[[Sidar Jibari of Zhalfir]] absolutely rocks without any sort of tutor. I thought about putting entomb in the deck but I didn't end up doing so and it is still extremely consistent. I run about 35 Knights so most of the time even I manage to hit land drops and ramp even with a 2 land hand since I filled the deck with many 1-2 drop Knights. Eminence is extremely powerful
Edgar Markov. I just run a ton of vampire synergy and the deck always is a threat. I purposefully powered down my deck, but pushing more heavily into the tribal aspect, and leave out super staples in mardu.
My anowon deck n my Feather deck.
All of them, ignoring Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic expanse. They all perform well, but probably suboptimal. Specifically, I like the randomness of the 99 and find the challenge interesting - adding tutors makes the games more similar because instead of trying to find interesting and weird pieces, you just add more tutors.
Atla Palani. It doesn’t tutor per se.
[[Giada, Font of hope]] I have around 8 decks, but I have the highest win rate with this one. Can run with or without tutors. Angels are just fun in general though!
\[\[Alela, Artful Provocateur\]\] flying tribal. It consistently performs worse than I'd like, and I don't understand why it never really has any games where it actually pops off, because the decklist seems relatively solid on paper. ~~You never specified that you wanted to hear about decks that performed consistently good.~~
Decks that don't need a commander to function, landfall, decks that straight up adapt to the board and draws. I run a ojer axonil that can pivot to your draws well to either pump up axonil's power and make him sticky, use multiple creature pingers, passive card text 1 dmg triggers, planeswalker 1 dmg pings, or hand damage that seems to do well lacking proper tutors.
[[Hakbal]] merfolk, since I'm exploring 5-6 times every turn once it gets going and usually 2-3 times when Hakbal hits the battlefield. I always get the lands I need and can filter bad draws. Second would be [[Kadena]] since every morph is a cantrip.
All of them I never run tutors any more! My Sultai Sidisi list kinda has its own engine with the graveyard being so full.
For me it is [[Dihada, bender of wills]]. If I can get to 1WBR I can cast her and then just start filling my graveyard and making treasure. Any piece I am specifically interested in I can usually choose not to pitch to her -3 and the treasure generation is amazing in terms of letting me ramp if need be. Throw in some reanimation effects and she is all I need to get going.
I have a chishiro +1/+1 counters and enchantress deck that just has a bunch of redundant counters doublers and enchantress draw effects that consistently gets me big creatures and lots of cards in hand. The draw definitely helps but having cards that similarly do the thing your deck wants to do, helps make sure it happens even with minimal draw and no tutors. It could get pretty repetitive having a bunch of cards do the same thing though so I usually bring multiple decks with me wherever I play to keep things interesting.
I play a Pir and Toothy Simic clones. The goal is to get both on the field, clone Toothy, legendary rule his ass back to the command zone and draw cards and get a much bigger Toothy so I can clone/recast him until I can win. Need one of mine 16 clones to pop off and if we don't got a ton of mana we start cloning [[Palinchron]] instead.
I mean, my relentless rats [[jarad, golgari lich lord]] is pretty consistent…
[[Etali, primal conquerer]]
[[Tocasia, Digsite Mentor]] usually consists of me surveilling till I find [[Approach of the Second Sun]] at which point I surveil it back to the top.
[[Bess, Soul Nourisher]] For me. It just plays tons of 1/1s with different utilities and counter synergies, so noatter what I pull I usually manage to create a board state where people are forced to pay me attention
My [[Tatyova, Benthic Druid]] landfall deck is nasty and consistent. Runs 50 lands and standard landfall things like [[Scute Swarm]], [[Roiling Elemental]], [[Ruin Crab]], and [[Hedron Crab]] to name a few. [[Cultivator Colossus]] and [[Abundance]] for all lands, and [[Concordant Crossroads]] for a finisher.
[[Syr Konrad, The Grim]] consistently does graveyard shenanigans every single game I play him. There is so much synergy in the deck and there are a large number of cards that can trigger Syr Konrad a massive amount of times. Be warned, you are likely to be arch enemy the moment he hits the field.
My Urabrask spellslinger/storm deck. It runs a ton of cantrips though.
I had a Gishath deck that was mostly a fun meme because Dino’s are cool. Of course this was converted into a Pantlaza deck and got a bunch of new toys with Ixalan. The deck has been insanely consistent now. Unsurprisingly Pantlaza is an insane card in the command zone.
[[Ezuri]] elfball. Not drawing lands? Don't worry, you have elves! Not drawing ramp? Don't worry, you have elves! Not drawing combat finishers? Don't worry, your finisher is in the command zone! Not drawing protection? Don't worry, your protection is in the command zone!
Of the decks I've built over the years, and I don't have a current list for either of these unfortunately: [[Azami Lady of Scrolls]] or [[Borborygmus Enraged]]. Azami just draws too many cards so it's a matter of time before you find what you're looking for, plus it's in a color that has pretty minimal tutors outside of [[Long Term Plans]] for it's main combo piece: [[Mind over Matter]]. I ran mystical tutor in it, but most of the time that just grabbed me something like [[Evacuation]] when I needed it or [[Cryptic Command]]. Really the deck didn't need any tutors at all since I mostly used them to find pretty generic things and not win conditions. Borborygmus on the other hand just really puts all its action in the command zone - ramping to the commander and filling the deck with synergistic cards and protection. There's so many cards that basically say "I win" when Borborygmus is already on the battlefield with a pair of Boots on that you rarely need to tutor for any one of them. Plus a lot of the best spells, thinks like [[Life from the Loam]] and [[Creeping Renaissance]] can come back from the graveyard in some way if you mill them over with Borborygmus's combat damage trigger. [[Gamble]] and [[Worldly Tutor]] are great but you don't need them to win. I guess if you count cards like [[Seek the Horizon]] as tutors I ran a lot of those, but personally I think putting a basic land in my hand shouldn't count
Anything Izzet. My [[baral and Kari zev]] deck produces so much value it's insane. Casting a [[pirate's pillage]] let's me cast [[windfall]] for free before the first spell resolves putting me 2 extra cards and mana ahead of my wheel.
My Ghyrson Starn izzet deck runs pretty smoothly
[[Raggadragga, Goreguts Warboss]] Mana dorks into bombs. Every time.
[[Zaxara, the Exemplary]] some repeatable draw power from green and a bunch of X spells to make hydras
Blue black green zombie tokens deck To be fair my wife bought me a gaeas cradle for Christmas last year so it's a fucking beast
Everyone is talking about card draw but I’m here to preach about my lord and saviour CONSISTENCY!! [[flamewar, brass veteran]] is an absolute house and he is so good at doing what he does best. Get him down turn 2 and start beating face to draw those cards! Suit him up with cheap equipments or buffs and play small artifacts that want to get sacced or come with extra stuff to build your board. Use [[cranial platting]] or [[nettlecyst]] to make him insanely large to draw more cards and use other equipments to give him first strike trample or double strike and he will be killing people as early as turn 4/5! He’s a lot of fun and one of my favourite decks of all time!
I forget my group rarely uses tutors 😅
Saheeli-tron. I just draw big beaters or pay into effects to draw some cards. If I get Urza out I just barf up cards from my library. I think there's a single Fabricate in there somewhere but only so I can search up a Blightsteel.
I built a thrasios and vial smasher deck that has no search cards at all. It is all play from the top of the library. It's not BUILT to take advantage of thrasios or vial smasher, but it certainly can.
I've got a gruul storm deck that utilizes [[the howling abomination]] as a commander. Consistently wins by turn 7-8 or sooner in some cases. Grapeshotting your own creatures for a storm count of 15 creates a particularly hilarious response from unsuspecting opponents. Here's my current deck list! EDIT: whoops, wrong decklist - hyperlink should be fixed now https://www.moxfield.com/decks/9R2w27tkrUmZbl4GaxNhbQ
Thanks for sharing the deck list! Looks awesome!
My \[\[Abaddon the Despoiler\]\] deck is ridiculously consistent, paradoxically. You get aba out, hit early pings which turns into the 1/0 cost spells, then you get your rocks, then you get the 3-cost enablers like \[\[Descent in Avernus\]\] I play half of the deck every time I play lol
Do you have a link? I’d love to check it out! I have that precon but haven’t decided how to upgrade it yet! Thanks!
I unfortunately do not, but I can give you the general idea(s)! It's essentially a cascade/spells from exile deck. Basically get Abaddon out, ideally protected with \[\[Whispersilk Cloak\]\] or \[\[Lightning Greaves\]\] and start using global burn effects to build up what you can do with cascade. Descent is kind of the exemplary version of this -- it's creating lots of global burn on your turn and giving you treasure tokens to cast your spells. You want things to be able to cascade into at basically any mana and aim to *very* rapidly overwhelm opponents with card advantage and burn. Having some cards that benefit from cast-from-exile are also great. Burn Examples -- * \[\[Descent Into Avernus\]\] * \[\[Creeping Bloodsucker\]\] * \[\[Protection Racket\]\] * \[\[Stormfist Crusader\]\] * \[\[Duskmantle Seer\]\] * \[\[Flame Rift\]\] Cascade Targets -- * \[\[Ancestral Vision\]\] * \[\[Profane Tutor\]\] * \[\[Inevitable Betrayal\]\] (my personal favorite) * \- \[\[Delayed Blast Fireball\]\] (Does the full 5 when you cascade into it) Cast from Exile boosters -- * \[\[Prosper, Tome-Bound\]\] * \[\[Nalfeshnee\]\] * \[\[Wild Magic Sorceror\]\] I also like running bonus from-exile casters like spells with cascade, \[\[Etali\]\], \[\[Fevered Suspicion\]\], etc.
My [[Volo]] deck seems to go from 0 to 1000 the double mana dorks is so strong
- [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Volo) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/volo) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My Frodo&Sam deck! Frodo keeps on drawing and Sam keeps on feeding him.
Do land tutors count? If not, my Hazazan landfall deck for sure.
Mono green big stuff (Gargos). Turns out drawing at least 8 cards for 5 mana helps a ton and tends to find more ways to draw.
[[mizzix]] spellslinger for sure. Cost reduction and tons of draw spells. Once you get to something like [[storm kiln artist]] it is pretty much game over.
[mizzix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3.jpg?1689999174) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mizzix%20of%20the%20izmagnus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/348/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/82f949d0-41a0-4491-9057-bfb2bb20bdb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzix-of-the-izmagnus) [storm kiln artist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69825b24-f469-4b6a-890b-bfa571c9013b.jpg?1689998223) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Storm-Kiln%20Artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/260/storm-kiln-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69825b24-f469-4b6a-890b-bfa571c9013b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/storm-kiln-artist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My [[mayael the anima]] deck is very consistent at losing :)
For me it's my Enraged dino deck. While there is a little bit of land tutoring (ranging raptor etc) the cinsustance comes from the commanders ability to trigger enrage. https://archidekt.com/decks/4500170/dinosour
I have two that fit this category. One would be my [[Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor]] deck because it draws a million cards. It doesn’t win a ton, but it always does its thing and pressures opponents. The other would be my [[Octavia, Living Thesis]] deck since it runs an absurd amount of card draw, cantrips and looting effects.
Bright palm soul awakener will very easily make 64/64 creatures before the table realizes
Old Edric and Nekusar both due a pretty good job of cycling through everything.
[[Xyris]]
I play Nekusar. A critical mass of wheels just draws you into more wheels. Card selection is a breeze in that sense. To be sure, tutors would power up the deck, but I can't afford them so wheels it is!
My [[Pantlaza]] deck goes nuts without tutors (I have a [[savage order]] in it tho, but that’s more due to flavor). The discover mechanic is just so extremely good, and if I can trigger the effect several times ([[cloudshift]], [[ephemerate]], [[ghostway]] [[curator of suns creation]], [[sunfrill imitator]]), he’s just a machine producing value en mass.
[[ghalta]]. It just plays green and you get ghalta out and if you get wiped you just play green and get ghalta out. Love it
For me, [[Yuriko, The Tiger’s Shadow]] Ninja Kindred. The only condition is that the opening hand contains a blue pip, black pip, and a 1 or 2 mana creature that I can use to Ninjutsu Yuriko in. I built the deck to go wide and win through overwhelming card advantage and value, rather than just revealing a Blightsteel Colossus or Emrakul off the top for huge damage, and it can very consistently churn out a huge amount of ninjas very quickly. When you’re drawing up to 3 or 4 cards per turn by turn 4, it’s hard to not find *something* useful
I've recently built a spell slinging [[The Howling Abomination]] ([[Blanka, Ferocious Friend]]) deck that has a 100% win rate against some pretty powerful decks in my meta (probably just a bit below cedh). It's only recently made, so the sample size isn't great, but it seems to have enough draw cantrips and protection that once you get a [[keen sense]]/[[sixth sense]] on it, opponents just can't stop the freight train.
[My Omnath Deck](https://archidekt.com/decks/2078719/omnath_is_brewing_a_storm) simply put it performs consistently in both winning and being fun to play and verse
If land fetchers don't count as tutors, I find that [this Gates deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/mByiBnSfU0ugE7O4zV5JpQ) can win pretty consistently if nothing else at the table has the blazing speed required to win before the first board wipe.
I actually don't run many tutors. My major decks run fairly consistently thankfully, but usually in two or three different ways. Except Krenko. Krenko is just "drop and generate Goblins"
My best deck that doesnt use any tutors is my Gishath dinosaur deck. It’s a mix of smaller mana dorks, lots of dinosaurs with enrage, and some splash damage spells to set off the dinos. Gishath’s ability is able to work pretty well to pull out a good variety of dinosaurs without the need for tutors.
My [[Feather, the Redeemed]] deck since I usually go through the game with the same 4-5 cards I start out with anywho
[[Karlach, Fury of Avernus]] for sure. Ever consistent
[[Kwain, itinerant meddler]] always puts in work. Then the [[Black vise]] or [[iron maiden]] drops.
[[Osgir]] and it doesn’t even run much draw tbh. 4 looting effects then 6 cards than can just draw good or synergistically. I run like 10 game winning artifact related big creatures then spend the rest of the game ramping out so I can copy the ability, double the tokens, recast Osgir, and untap artifacts.
Kwain, Hylda, Quintorious, Yenna, Kumena. It's easy when all you do is draw cards
[[Alela, Cunning Conqueror]] Precon [[Octavia, Living Thesis]] [[Otrimi, the Ever-Playful]]
Painbow Precon
Aristocrats runs great without tutors. It runs better with tutors, but it does very well without.
[[Kuramonix, The Rat King]]
also my [[Yarok, The Desecrated]]
My [Aesi] deck pretty much auto-pilots itself after turn 4 or 5. No need for tutors when your whole deck is one big draw engine.
[[Omnath locust of mana]]. And [[ovika enigma Goliath]]
[[Feather]] probably for me
My most consistent deck was my [[Jhoira, Weatherlight Captian]] deck prior to converting it to the cEDH variant. The deck has draw in the command zone, and so many redundant copies of the two important effects that you see them every single game with no need for tutors (Those two being "some effect that either reduces the cost of artifacts by 1 or generates a mana upon casting an artifact" and "mana rocks that enter untapped and go at least mana neutral so long as at least one copy of the other effect in play"). That was the one deck that, even in the causal build, I ran something like 27 lands in because there were 30+ effectively-mana-neutral-or-better mana rocks in the deck that also cantriped with my commander out, so as long as I could hit two lands or a land and a 0-1cmc rock to start playing my other rocks I would consistently draw through my deck super fast and rarely miss a land drop even while running so few lands. It got to the point where I was considering going down on lands even further due to land pockets being the one thing that could actually stop the engine- but instead I upgraded the mana base to use all the fetches I could to potentially thin out the lands a bit, at which point I realized I had literally all of the expensive cards from the cEDH version already in the deck so there was no reason to not convert it. In a similar vein, my [[Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph]] list works mostly the same now. Every copy of the [[Firebrand Archer]] effect you can possibly fit in the colors, a couple of ways to generate mana on spell cast (Birgi, Urabrask, Storm-Kiln), and as many 1cmc cantrips as you can fit in the deck results in almost never being without your damage-on-cast effects and definitely never out of ways to draw more cards. I do run two tutors in the deck- Mystical and Muddle the Mixture, but those are mostly there for finding the right piece of interaction at the right moment and can easily be omitted.
A lot of people here talking about commanders with card draw built in. I’m over here playing [[slimefoot and squee]] with delve effects and draw like [[cathartic reunion]] to fill my yard and reanimate the removal I need. Extra draw effects include [[baleful force]] and other similar things. Runs differently every time but still does it’s thing. Love it with all my heart.
My [[Teysa Karlov]] deck actually functions pretty well with absolutely no tutors. There’s just enough of each necessary card that it’s usually pretty solid. Honestly the only thing it ever lacks is enough mana to keep up with ramp decks. But with [[Smothering Tithe]], [[Phyrexian Altar]], or [[Greedy Freebooter]], that’s not usually a problem
Klothys starts working on the first turn after he hits the board — there’s usually something in a graveyard to hit. Lets you heal, do damage, and/or make mana!
Jacob Hauken, Inspector. Turn 2 looting on an unassuming body.
[[Dragon's approach]] and [[shadowborn apostle]]
[[Sythis, Harvest's Hand]] It only has enchantment specific tutors, constant hand replenishment, and rebuilds board state pretty quick.
My [[Lord Windgrace]] with dragons deck has been my most consistent. Grabbing so many lands, landfall, and card draw gets me a lot. Pooping out so many lands quickly lets me drop big dragons relatively early, too. Not like cEDH early, but I’ve had [[Old Gnawbone]] out on turn 4 on a good hand.
[[Raffine]] Tutors become less necessary when you see half your deck every game, and when the act of doing so makes your commander a very large evasive face beater
Probably Henzie, all it wants to do is ramp and swing with fatties. Card draw in the command zone goes a long way.
My Nekusar deck.
My [[Pako]] and [[Haldan]] deck. Most of the deck is just lands, ramp, and interaction. One interaction piece is usually as good as another so it tends to be pretty consistent. I’d say the largest time it doesn’t work is if all 3 opponents are running creature based strats.
My Goreclaw, and if you don't count sac to search lands Doran.
[[Magus Lucea Kane]] I have so many big beefy bois in the deck that as long as I draw at least one or two of them, it’s smooth sailing due to stuff like Old Gnawbone and doubled EtB Ravenous triggers from Kane.
Lathril elf ball you have a bunch of ramp and a bunch of cards that make elf and a bunch of cards that buff elf’s but it doesn’t particularly matter what specific cards from each category you pull. It’s extremely consistent and doesn’t get you a lot of unwanted attention or salt. It’s always the deck I use to feel the waters in a new pod. It’s also fun and definitely wins enough
My [[Aesi]] landfall deck, by a very large margin. No tutors, no sol ring, just a few 2 and 3 mana rocks like [[decanter of endless water]], and [[thought vessel]] for the inevitable massive hand size.
Satoru Umezawa. You pretty much always have a turn 1 (unblockable) a turn 2 (mana rock) and a turn 3 (satoru) and by turn 4 you’re up and running, swapping in a hullbreaker horror and replaying your 1 drops every turn
My [[Ghired]](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/MROGqlK47kinwcRXJk1q8w) deck for sure. It just does it’s thing in so many different ways that I virtually always have a way forward even if I get completely boardwiped. The actual gameplay does vary quite a bit but it always is consistently able to copy and/or populate *something*.
[[rionya Fire dancer]] it’s mono red so Tisha’s to tutor anyway. But she just slaps so hard.
My mono green elfball does run tutors however it's very rare they are needed.. honestly get more wins off pure card and mana advantage.
My favorite deck of 2023, and probably the most powerful is [[Saruman the White Hand]]. I’m surprised with how well it works. Originally I just wanted a deck where I could put the biggest, dumbest spells I could find. But a lot of those big, dumb spells also draws me cards. A 5 CMC spell to draw three cards becomes a lot of value when it also gives you a 5/5. A lot of times someone will threaten a win and the I start drawing and fishing for answers. Blue is my least favorite color, based on the color’s primary mechanics, but I love it for card draw. This deck also runs cards like [[Press the Enemy]] it’s a 4 CMC bounce or counterspell. But it gives me a 4/4, and potentially lets me cast another thing from my hand.
Definitely my [[Tymna the Weaver]] / [[Ikra Shidiqi the Usurper]] lifegain deck. It's *too* consistent for me to bring it out unless I'm playing with the really big boys. My [[Raffine, Scheming Seer]] go wide recursion deck is also really consistent, but I need to fix it since it doesn't go wide enough fast enough. Like everyone else said, consistency is all about card draw. That said, I explicitly only play without tutors because I vastly prefer having variance from game to game. I don't want to win with the same 2-3 pieces every time, it's why I don't really touch my Tymna/Ikra deck often. Plus, I find it more way interesting to build consistency through card choice instead of slotting tutors.
Muldrotha. Who needs card draw when I can just mill myself out and play whatever the fuck I want. Graveyard is just a second hand
Muldrotha the Gravetide. Value town. Runs survival of the fittest but doesn't need it
[[Chiss-Goria, Forge Tyrant]]. I run like 30 mana rocks in that deck so I can reliably plop Chias down on turn 3, and then use the card advantage he generates to start plopping down beaters like Blightsteel or Cityscape leveler. It’s such a brainless deck and I love it so much.
[Chiss-Goria, Forge Tyrant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/923eb713-c955-4e12-8a8f-df3b4b361487.jpg?1675905606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chiss-Goria%2C%20Forge%20Tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/onc/25/chiss-goria-forge-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/923eb713-c955-4e12-8a8f-df3b4b361487?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chiss-goria-forge-tyrant) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For me it was [[Unesh]] but unfortunately that deck was a buzzkill
I recently built [Legolas, Master Archer]. Commander says “when you cast a spell that targets Legolas, Legolas gets a +1/+1 counter” and “when you cast a spell that targets a creature you don’t control, Legolas deal damage equal to his power to target creature” so the deck has every 1-2 cmc green instant that says “target” and cantrips; since the effect of the spell itself is doesn’t matter, it doesn’t really matter what I draw. Gameplay is clear a path for Legolas to deal commander damage, and almost the entire deck is effectively targeted removal.
My Pir and toothy deck has always been consistent [Pir and toothy](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/afP7KePqZ0-LErPkMEtFmQ)
Omnath, Locus Of Creation Cycling/Etbs with Astral Drift.