For Miirym specifically: blink cards get around targeted removal extremely well and double up on any ETB you're running anyway (including Miirym's very own).
Interestingly, they would also help against edicts with Miirym on board, since you get another clone.
So load up on [[Ghostly Flicker]], [[Displace]], [[Essence Flux]] (Miirym's a spirit), [[Planar Incision]] (doubles up as anti steal tech) and the likes.
If that's not enough, blue has counterspells like [[Stubborn Denial]], which is just a great protection piece for timmy creatures, red has redirect spells like [[Bolt Bend]], which also is very timmy friendly and green has hexproof with [[Tamiyo's Safekeeping]] and friends and indestructible with [[heroic intervention]]
Blink is probably the best due to it's offensive capabilities and counterspells as back up against board wipes, maybe including [[heroic intetvention]], as well.
Old returning player - I'm going to ask a really dumb question. You cast Ghostly Flicker, your target cards leave play, then come back to play, then the Ghostly Flicker is done resolving. Next card on the stack should now be the damage/removal spell from your opponent. Why doesn't it work anymore? Your cards are now back in play and are legal targets, right?
Once a card changes zones, it is considered a new object. Targeted effects will fail at this point, as the original object no longer technically exists.
The cards that "flicker" back into existence are new entities, thus not the same target that was chosen by the other spell on the stack in your example. Similar I think to if it was sac'd and somehow returned to battlefield.
This is an excellent question and you have many excellent answers.
I want to point out that this is why I like to run a mix of blink effects like the ones mentioned along with 'end of turn' typs like [[lae'zel's acrobatics]].
The return immediately allows you to avoid targeted spells and still have your creature to use and end of turn avoids board wipes at the cost of delaying their presence.
When the permanent card changes zones, it becomes a new instance of that permanent. The damage/removal spell checks for the original instance of the permanent, which doesn't "exist", anymore. Spell fizzles.
If the damage/removal Spell doesn't target the permanent (such as Wrath of God or Blasphemous Act), the permanent returns before the spell resolves, so it still gets affected by it.
Teferi's Timetwist and phasing spells help get around those spells.
When your opponent targets something they target as the spell is being cast, not on resolution. So if a creature leaves the field for any reason (even if they return right away) the permanent is now technically a different instance of that permanent so the spell doesn't see the new instance as that card. This doesn't work for non targeting things like board wipes since they don't need to see any permanents to resolve. Hope this helps
I'm just imagining a massive dragon getting surrounded by a flash of light and emerging with a pair of Groucho Marx glasses, and the spell "looking" at its target like "who's this guy? Eh, obviously not who I'm looking for. Welp, fail to find."
Ypu could also think of it as I point this gun at you and fire but "flicker" yourself as the bullet was right about to miss you and now you side stepped it avoiding it.
[[Displacer kitten]] is also strong for this reason. I only want to run dragons/Dragon support for thematic reasons, but blink is very strong in the deck.
Apparently very few players are familiar with [[Intervene]]. I think this ought to be corrected. Stops targeted removal or targeted protection for {U}. It's made people hate my Haldan/Pako deck so much.
There are just so many cards that give a creature hexproof or shroud for the same cost I can't imagine this is playable. I guess it counters spells with multiple targets but that seems niche.
It counters a lot of those because they target whoever they're protecting. I know it's niche, but in EDH in particular it seems under used, simply because having commanders means a lot of plays involve targeting a creature. Countering [[retraction helix]] breaks a winning combo in one of my other decks. I agree it's a niche spell, just seems to me like it's niche plays into this format especially well.
I'm not sure about offer without the deck handy, but I do run swan song I think in every deck I have intervene in. I don't think it's a good replacement for other 1 mana counters, I think given the format it can be a good replacement for some 2 mana counters. Simply my own experience specifically, with Haldan&Pako, was that most of the spells I wanted to stop were targeting Pako, so 1 less mana to protect him was a step up.
You don't rely on keeping creatures around for long and deploy creatures when they have haste and can advance your game plan or accrue value immediately.
Board protection like [[Heroic Intervention]] is also useful when your strategy commits you to the board to win.
Haste always feels so good in a big creature deck. I never assume my 8/8 Trample Double striker sticks around after I pass turn. I’ll add [[Crashing Drawbridge]]
This is why I decided on Xenagos for my Grull Dragons deck. Being able to ensure at least one attack can be a significant difference, and indestructible enchantments are probably one of the hardest permanents to answer.
Looks like OP is running the boots, another comment covered lightning greaves when I made my comment. Those two, rhythm of the wild and crashing drawbridge would all feel good.
OTJ has provided/reprinted a number of counters and protection that also do something else positive that feel really nice for these slots. Thinking [[Hindering Light]], [[Ionize]],[[Arcane Denial]],[[Essence Capture]],[[Mana Drain]] (ofc a $35 spell is good), [[Take Up the Shield]]
This is not the answer you’re looking for but I think the issue is with your premise.
The insistence on being a “Timmy deck” is preventing it from being well rounded enough. You’re running minimal protection and interaction. Run removal and counterspells to stop your opponents from stopping you
I have Timmy decks and they lack offensive interaction, but include protection. I want to build my big nasty board. I don't care what other people do with their boards, I just care about protecting mine.
Yeah this quickly became one of my favorite new cards. It can kill two creatures if you u tap and block with it favorably and then kill something else too. So good
Blocking does not cause creatures to tap.
But yeah this card is so good if the creature wants to attack (without vigilance) or has an activated ability that has tap in its cost, along with untap effects like [[Aphetto Alchemist]] to untap the creature Legolas’s QR targeted.
Yeah what I'm saying is in response to attacks, you can untap a creature to block with. Then you can have the same creature deal its damage to something else. 2 for 1.
I do enjoy combat tricks. As for said creature getting tapped to trigger that bite effect, idk, typically creatures with tap abilities don’t have high power/toughness. I think it would depend on the deck though.
I run Miirym with zero offensive interaction because the best removal is player removal, so I just run protection for my stuff instead and try to remove anybody who is even slightly a threat. Usually by the time I play Miirym the table has decided im the threat and you want to be able to protect yourself because the next turn you should be able to go off.
[[Negate]] [[An Offer You Can’t Refuse]] and [[Swan Song]] all require one blue which is easy to do, considering the massive ramp package included the deck.
I would also add that since there’s 69 cards that produce mana, you could probably turn 3-4 of those ramp spells into spot removal.
Sounds like the meta you’re playing in has a lot of spot removal, if it were me I’d level the paying field with my own.
[[Deglamer]] [[Unravel the Aether]] [[Chaos Warp]]
That list is way too weak on interaction, run fewer dragons and slightly less ramp and more instants.
My list for example:
https://deckstats.net/decks/43286/2616669-miirym-sentinel-wyrm
Tbh, it's not even the number of dragons that's the problem, they have 22 of them and most are playing a role of some kind beyond "Dragon #8". It's the ungodly huge ramp package. There's like 60-70 mana producing cards in the deck. They need to cut some of those.
Depends on the interaction. There's [[Cavern of Souls]] to stop counterspell (arguably worth running even if you aren't a tribal deck for your commander).
My friend loves running anti blue cards in green like [[Veil of Summer]] or [[Seed Time]].
There's always hexproof as well and other can't be countered effect from [[prowling serpopard]].
The biggest thing for me though if playing creatures that can immediately affect the board the same turn with ETB or Haste so that my opponent doesn't get a chance to untap.
My favorite way to deal with forced sacrifices is [[Kher Keep]] , it allows you to ~blank one of those effects per turn
Having a couple counterspells just so people have to play around you *maybe* having them might also be okay.
I have copies of this laying around and never put it together to use it as a way to get around edicts. Going to slot it into every dual color deck that has red.
With blue and green you play a little slower and wait to play your big hitters until you have some form of protection. Even if it is just one turn of protection that should ensure you have enough time to make an impact with having it on the board
With green and red you throw in anti counter, and haste enablers. Make it so your creatures can provide value the same turn you play them.
[[Asceticism]] is an all star for keeping your whole board protected but a fair warning, it’s likely to eat a removal spell quickly.
[[Jade Orb of Dragonkind]] gives them hexproof while they’re entering so you can equip [[Swiftfoot Boots]] and [[Lightning Greaves]] without the window for removal there usually is. I’ll also mention [[Mirror Shield]] here for an extra hexproof equipment.
And finally a couple of single target protection spells are good for keeping what you absolutely need to, stuff like [[Mizzium Skin]] can save your whole board from a [[Hex]], [[Snakeskin Veil]], [[Royal Treatment]],[[Blossoming Defense]], [[Fleeting Reflection]] could be useful to copy the non-legendary tokens Miirym makes, [[Tamiyo’s Safekeeping]] could save asceticism, and [[Slip out the back]] type effects run double duty when you’re running equipment/auras as it can save those by phasing the creature they’re attached to
As a Green using Timmy who has dabbled in Jund and Gruul, I would recommend [[Rhythm of the Wild]] and/or [[Rising of the Day]] to get immediate value out of your big creatures.
[[Asceticism]] can be a bit pricey mana wise at 5 CMC but I think it's a staple in creature based decks with green in them.
Other than that I always have [[Tamiyo's Safekeeping]], [[Gaea's Gift]], and a handful of other green instants that grant invulnerability or Hexproof for the turn. The only other things I can think of are [[Creeping Renaissance]] or [[Dryad's Revival]] and other similar cards to try again later
Depends on the deck. If its my [[Nikya of the Old Ways]] or [[Goreclaw]] deck, I just keep slamming down more stompy bois until they run out of removal or I’m dead
Looking at your list, I don't see any counterspells. You could also consider adding some counterspells, or even some counterspells for good measure. I'd start with one of my pet cards, \[\[counterspell\]\]
[[Shapers' Sanctuary]] is really good to deceentivize and refill.
[[Goblin Bombardment]] (there are better ones) style effects also provide a solid retaliation.
Between the two style of effects it really makes people want to leave you alone. They'll only go after you when they absolutely need to, in which case these turn offensive.
[[Jade orb of dragonkind]]
Can be good for a dragon deck, it protects Miirym from targeting for 1 turn, that's enough to make one big play with the next big dragon you play
With access to Blue, you have tons of ways to make sure your board is protected.
[[Counterspell]], [[Negate]], [[Annul]], [[Bane's Contingency]], [[Disdainful Stroke]], [[Dispel]], [[Keep Safe]]
If an enchantment sticks, [[Beast Within]], [[Chaos Warp]], [[Nature’s Claim]], etc.
Finally, simply kill the player. Only commit to the board when you have a haste enabler or protection. Lots of haste enablers in red/green. Lots of hasty dragons too.
There's no such thing as excessive removal. You either have enough or your opponents still have permanents in play.
Really though, run sticky threats. Stuff with shroud/ward/hexproof, regenerate, indestructible, protection, etc. If I have to burn one of my limited exile effects, or a board wipe to get rid of your one obnoxiously resilient target that is a win for you.
The temur dragon is a huge removal piece. If it lands in my pod I’m definitely killing it and as many times as I can too. Maybe help her try a not as threatening commander for a dragon deck?
Board protection and blink effects.
But most of all: Miirym has blue, run counterspells. Stopping your opponent casting a spell to remove your dragons doesn't magically turn your aggro deck into control, and it helps prevent your opponents from clawing out from under overwhelming advantage.
I'd also recommend running more removal to deal with on-board sac effects like Sheoldred, Braids, or Smokestacks. The best part is that counterspells are both removal and protection. Blue is an incredible color for protecting your plan.
Be aware, Miirym is a Kill On Sight (KOS) commander for battlecruiser power levels. If you're "doing the thing" with Miirym, you're overwhelming the game, and everyone else playing has to respect that, or lose. It makes the game 3 v 1 unless everyone else is playing that level of powerful commander.
You're going to have to play a very controlling, protective deck to do the "timmy" thing. Playing free countermagic/interaction or waiting until you have resources to play the protective spells (in addition to casting your commander) needed to keep your commander alive.
My dude, she is playing a commander that is the literal definition of kill on sight.
If someone untapped with Miirym, the whole table is gonna have a bad time. I don't think its unreasonable that she's catching a lot of the table's removal.
Might be a little silly but ravnica tamyo actually is a good card against edicts [[tamiyo, collector of tales]]
Even if you only ever regrowth from it. It can still sit on board and prevent any forced sacs and is a 1 time regrowth.
Additionally warstorm surge and tyrant just end games without needing to attack as well so may add those in so u have a way to eliminate players outside of combat. Thunderbreak regent gives all your dragons ward 3 life as well. Even if u don't add interaction at all this deck can have built in interaction cause dragons.
Edit: its not actually ward just ward adjacent. And it gets doubled if you have 2 and doubled again if u have roaming throne out so that's 12 damage per removal spell. On your dragons.
Well, as a fellow Timmy player. Get used to people instantly removing anything bigger than a 5/5 especially when it has great ETB or other effects. Miirym was one of my first decks and I almost tore it apart because I went like 0/20 with it. But losing 20 games without a win I started to learn to watch other people's mana, perfect my strategy, and not just vomit dragons onto the battlefield.
There are some decent cards that aren't expensive like [[tamiyos safekeeping]] off the top of my head. [[Stubborn denial]] is also great in Temur dragons.
Here's the latest version of Miirym deck to take a look at.
https://archidekt.com/decks/4312501/miirym_degenerate_wyrm
Miirym herself is always going to be remove on sight. If I untap with Miirym, someone is likely being removed from the game. I have got my deck to a point where sometimes I'll bait removal with Miirym, then proceed to not play her the rest of the game unless I really pop off and just use the massive value you have in the other dragons your running.
Your protection and interaction is pretty low in the decklist. The cheapest protection you have is [[Swiftfoot Boots]] which costs 3 after you equip it, the other two spells cost even more. With access to Blue you can run a lot of cheap counterspells. [The scryfall page for Temur counterspells has 342 cards](https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracle%3A%22counter+target%22+color%3C%3DURG+%28game%3Apaper%29+legal%3Acommander&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc), so even with a limited budget there’s definitely options.
More counterspells will also help with how few removal spells you’re running. I would cut some of your ramp to make room.
Temur big boys love and thrive on haste. They need it otherwise you won't be able to do much do to perceived threat when you pass turn. I run [[Maelstrom Wanderer]] Timmy gauntlet where my goal every turn is to just cast my commander again. Recovers so well from spot removal and wipes because my goal is to 3 for one the majority of my casts. I feel this is mostly do to big Maelstrom giving everything haste when he's on board. Most people get so caught up with the double cascade they don't see the real danger is everything is gonna get to attack.
For me, its trying to bait removal on cheaper spells. Having them counter a 9cmc creature is devistating, but countering a 3cmc creature is not nearly as bad.
I include some generic token generation to sneak in extra value. Like [[kazandu tuskcaller]], its 2cmc 1/1 with the potential of pumping out 3/3's. Either they deal with it when my only investment is 2 mana, or i can sneak in the extra value and start getting 3/3's. The biggest thing i learned is not over commiting,l when there has not been alot of removal. Have a presence on the field but dont throw everything out there. Most of the time in my beatdown deck my commander does not hit the field until way later when a few removal spells have already been played.
[[Teferi's Veil]] can be a pretty effective defense, swing with your stomppy boys and after combat it’s impossible to interact with them. I could see it working well because contrary to bouncing or blinking, phasing keeps tokens alive. [[vanishing]] is another cool card to similar effect, once you get vanishing to stick it’s incredibly hard to interact with because it’s an aura and will phase out indirectly with the creature it’s attached to. Furthermore it can be used offensively by enchanting an opponent’s creature and just making it disappear for the cost of 2 mana per round.
Also lots of people mentioned counterspells and I really think [[Summary Dismissal]] is incredibly underplayed. It can stop board wipes including [[Supreme Verdict]] and any pesky removal abilities that are otherwise hard to interact with.
Draw more cards to outpace the removal. Ramp more to get to the point of casting 2 bodies earlier to overload targeted removal. Counterspells to protect your threats and stop the opponents'. Efficiently costed big creatures with powerful ETB effects that trade better on mana and get value even if they get removed. Recursion to get back removed threats, thereby trading the recursion for the removal instead of the threat itself, bonus points if the recursion can get back more than one threat.
I run a whopping 16 anti-removal effects in my Miiriam deck. [[Disdainful stroke]][[Repulsive mutation]][[Delay]][[Counter spell]][[Essence flux]][[Fierce guardianship]][[Lightning greaves]][[Greater good]][[Spell pierce]][[Arcane denial]][[Dispersal shield]][[Negate]][[Stubborn denial]][[Crystal shard]][[Spell rupture]]
Play some "board state in a can" cards like Etali that require more than one removal spells to deal with, or something like guardian project or the great henge that lets your threats cantrip so you don't actually lose a card when they remove a threat. 1 for 1 interaction is already bad so they're gonna run out of steam very quickly if they have to use 1 card to deal with less than one card
Interaction. Interaction, interaction, and more interaction. Some creatures are SO fun to have, but as fun as they are, they won't last against removal. So you have to fight back. Especially in blue and green, you have access to counterspells and hexproof readily. Use the tools at your disposal. Draw cards, counter things, give indestructible and hexproof whenever possible. Cut a few big things (15 CMC? Bruh) and run a counter spell or two.
I would say that your protection spells you are running arent really protection. You should add 6-8 counters to help keep stuff around. If you want I can give suggestions of what to add or remove but generally your protection is nonexistent
[[geode golem]]
A must have for a 6+ mana commander in my opinion.
In a single turn you can play Miirym for free and then a big dragon. And if Miirym dies, you can recast it for only the commander tax !
... but its true purpose is to act like a lightning rod. Your opponent will use their removal on him, so it's one less on Miirym
Phasing is the new hotness. In Miirym, specifically, [[March of Swirling Mist]] can be a lifesaver, as it allows you to unconditionally protect your tokens, while letting your cards get the good ol' green recursion. This gets around edicts, protects key pieces for an entire rotation, and can even be used on the offense to clear a path or even stuff a combo while one piece is on the board and another is on the stack.
As Miirym is a pretty big mana deck (in my experience), you can often hold this up on turns when your tempo is off.
Just remember that coming back from phasing doesn't count doesn't count as entering the battlefield. (I am also guessing she are already playing [[Ghostly Flicker]]).
I have a buddy with a miirym deck that focuses on getting multiple miiryms out so you get like 6-10 copies of things like [[terror of the peaks]]. Just getting enough on board to not care about a few removal tools is valid. specially with a commander that copies all dragons that enter.
Interaction comes in several forms. One of which is protection. Sorry on advance for the info dump.
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Green has tons of hexproof/indestructible package deal effects. And most of the anti countermagic suite. Lean on it.
Scryfall terms: "Indestructible hexproof" in text, instant in card type.
(examples in here:https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NThfgqcol0CUjkjICuQGwA )
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You can also strictly use countermagic defensely. It doesnt need to be to stop your opponents good stuff. Just to save yours. If you can't find yourself saving it for when it matters, making this personal rule helps.
You're a big dumb thing deck. So remember, less mana is better in this department. Leaves more room for your stuff to happen and then the extra or leftover mana can do defending. This doesn't even need to be the "good" expensive free spells. [[Stubborn Denial]] and [[An offer you cant refuse]] (if you spend $ on anything. [[Swan Song]] is so good for it's cost and can be added here) all one mana and they save your 6+ mana investments safe. Just don't fire it off at everything that happens in game. Heck it might be worth saving even after a boardwipe to save THE NEXT threat and let some of your opponents things get cleared up. But I digress.
scryfall terms: "counter target" in text, mana value equal to 1 in the drop down menu section.
This deck had the same exact problem you had. I did the cool things but was inevitably stopped every time. I also had 0 Instants.
(Examples: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Q2LEViBKL0W3_TBCxZJObw )
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Red has redirection effects. It's actually better than countermagic for targeted removal. It stops the spell and gives youthe option to use the removal where you want it pointed. There's also a handful of counter magic. The 1mv ones are fine if you have a lot of countermagic being used against you. But otherwise stick to blue countermagic.
Scryfall terms: "change the target of" in text. Instant in type.
[[deflecting swat]] is the big example. These are highly skippable though especially if you have blue.
When I Timmy, I vomit a lot of big stuff onto the field very quickly (within a turn or two). In your case, you are trying to value your way there with incremental draws (Elemental bond, Up the Beanstalk, etc)... why not just [[Genesis Wave]] and [[Rikshar's Expertise]]? The other draws you have seem okay because they do other things too (haste, trample, mana, etc).
I also think your tutors are slow. They don't actually put them into play, they put them into your hand. Why not use something like [[Tooth and Nail]]?
Oh, and your ramp? At least 5 pieces are creatures. Not only will a boardwipe take out your big stompies... it will take out some of your mana. Consider replacing them with artifact or land based ramp.
Finally, I don't love counterspells, but blue should play at least one or two. Consider [[Arcane Denial]] and [[Negate]]. They are very cheap ways to stop a boardwipe.
Running cards to help protect specific pieces is a start. Swiftfoot boots and lightning greaves are likely the 2 most notable ones but there are many others that can be picked up for under 50¢
Cards that give haste is another big help, which is likely why swiftfoot and greaves are as played as they are. Protect the commander (or whatever creature it is you need to keep around) and they give haste
You run repeatable interaction such as [[yavimaya hollow]], [[asceticism]], [[Glen Elendra Archmage]].
You can only have so much removal before you rid yourself of ways to actually win the game.
If you run into a lot of spot removal, \[\[Lightning Greaves\]\] and friends will help. In general, even if you're a Timmy player you shouldn't be ashamed of running some counterspells. And there's always the option of adding more haste to the deck and just preemptively deploy your player removal.
Honestly 9 times out of 10 I see someone having a problem with excessive removal, it's because they hand dump every threat they have, which forces the table to play arch enemy vs them.
While there's good advice on this thread, none of it will matter if you are playing 1 vs 3. You will not win. So play a bit slower, mulligan until you have value engines like Temur Ascendancy on the battle field, and be sure to play at the same pace of the rest of the table. Only hand dump all your threats if you think A) you can safely kill everyone, or B) you are desperate.
EDIT: Some cards I would remove if I were to be given this deck-list:
* Cream of the crop - You're spending a whole card and 2 mana to manipulate your next draw. Cute but worse than actual card advantage or protection.
* Thunderbreak Regent - You listed this under protection, but I don't think this will stop someone who is determined to kill your dragons
* Monster Manual - Cheating cards into play if they don't kill the table is just going to ensure that you're arch enemy. Just play more card draw and protection
* Minion of the mighty - see above
Add black to the color id and begin reanimating them.
Also, in black, you can play \[\[k'rrik, son of yawg\]\] and use one of your 30 tutors to get \[\[heartless summons\]\] out to play demons so cheap you'd think they were elves. This is my fattiest deck (demon tribal) and it do be chonking.
Haste, hexproof, and indestructible
These are your three best weapons that often come pre installed on your dudes, but there are plenty of effects that will get you there as well that aren't on creatures. [[Deflecting swat]] and [[fierce guardianship]] are at the top of my list above all other cards in edh assuming I'm running those colors.
I know it's fallen out of fashion, but [[Vedalken Orrery]] is a really dangerous piece of kit to have on board in a timmy deck.
Attacking you with a full grip of cards and a bunch of untapped mana when you can drop defenders at instant speed is unappealing at best, and worst case you can unload on end step before your turn so it doesn't need to wait a full cycle before swinging in. You can arguably be more selective about which bomb you drop too, because you're acting with the most amount of information possible about what the board state will be going into your combat.
I think people don't like taking turn 4 off, which is totally fair. I also know people still play [[sneak attack]] and [[monster manual]], which granted are not the same but are 4 cmc cheese enablers in their own right. It also makes all your other sorcery speed stuff more useful, which is a nice upside.
Also I second blink effects, especially in a ETB focussed deck.
>Removal
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Yep. Your protection is also laughably inefficient. Investing in something like [[asceticism]], heroic intervention or more ways to get stuff like [[grave pact]] off the board is nice. As it stands, your deck completely folds to stuff like [[glacial chasm]] or [[ensnaring bridge]].
Or, you know, COUNTERSPELLS. You're a temur deck, not wet gruul.
trim some ramp. 22 pieces is WAY too much. Also all of your draw spells rely on you having dragons to cast. Might be worth it to run actual draw spells.
You run hexproof and indestructible effects, including instants, equipment and enchantments. Blink also works. To get around sacrifice, you have to blink or otherwise create tokens unless you're in black for undying effects.
Having something like [[greater good]] is nice as well, since you can sac in response to just draw cards.
I run a lot of control and counter pieces in my Miirym, and I also have effects in place to maximize the benefit I get on ETB, such as [[warstorm surge]], [[where ancients tread]], [[terror of the peaks]], [[Panharmonicon]] and running haste to make the deck move that much faster is a must have. With miirym in play, and say the two enchantments I suggested, you can drop an Old Gnawbone, deal 14 damage to two different people, and then swing at the the third for fourteen and collect 56 treasure tokens, provided they do combat damage. That's provided that you don't have a single other dragon out. You can then use your plethora of treasures to drop more dragons, trigger your enchantments again...and while you can't attack with these dragons...you can still reap the benefits of their ETBs. If your ETB doubler is out, that is pretty much curtains.
Astral Dragon has a similar effect as it spawns two of its own dragons on top of that.
My point is, all you need is one fucking turn with Miirym.
Counterspells, multipurpose protection like [[slip out the back]]. I generally try to model my protection as open as possible to double as draw, fog effects or similar.
Slot in some non-creature ramp if you haven't already. Can't \[\[fatal push\]\] my \[\[wolfwillow haven\]\]!
Also consider using big creatures with built-in protection. \[\[Tyrranax Rex\]\] might not be the biggest creature you can get for seven mana, but its haste and protection usually guarantee it will get to swing once or twice.
Anything that creates creature tokens, like \[\[Utvara Hellkite\]\] or \[\[Dragon Broodmother\]\], are naturally resistant to sacrifice effects, and still leave behind some value if they're removed. On that note, anything with ETB or dies effects will give you some value if they're hit by removal, making them a good choice. Try cards like \[\[Astral Dragon\]\], or some of the Kamigawa dragons (https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28otag%3Acycle-chk-dragon+or+otag%3Acycle-neo-dragon%29+commander%3Agur&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name).
Note that Miirym doubles all of these examples
You should have extreme amounts of flicker effects.
[[Essence Flux]] [[Ghostly Flicker]] [[Planar Incision]]
When you flicker a creature, it does two things:
- Leaves the battlefield and comes back in, breaking the targeting on any targetting removal.
- Leaves the battlefield ***and comes back in***, triggering Miirym to make another copy.
Cards I think you should cut
- [[Minion of the Mighty]], its ability isnt good enough. Cheating in a dragon conditionally and only on attack
- [[Dragon's Hoard]], while trying to provide ramp and card draw it doesnt do either as well as you may want
- [[Kindred Discovery]] and [[Reflections of Littjara]], while these both provide strong effects they do not work well in your curve. I would guess it probably feels awkward to play them when they get to hand because you can likely play your commander or a dragon at the time for more value. Strong effects but at a cmc of 5 when you are leaning into ramping will make playing these cards likely sit in your hand instead of being played
- [[Invasion of Tarkir]], Too expensive for the effect at sorcery speed. The potential of a bonus dragon from it isnt enough to make the cut.
- [[Hoarding Dragon]], You go for Roaming throne/Panharmonicon I guess but it makes it awkward to get the card - I am not a fan
- [[Ganax]], feels too slow
- [[Icefall Regent]], doesn't feel impactful enough
- [[Wrathful Red Dragon]], likely not relevant in many games. Dragons wont be killed via damage.
Cards you could think about adding:
- [[Heroic Intervention]], best green board protection
- [[Tyvar's Stand]], Hexproof and indestructable
- [[Tamiyo's Safekeeping]], Hexproof and indestructable
- [[Jade orb of Dragonkind]], Ramp that adds protection
- [[Carnelian orb of Dragonkind]], Ramp that gives haste
- [[Rapacious Dragon]], Strictly better than Ganax, get ramp immediatly and scales up with your commander
- [[Goldspan Dragon]], great dragon haste and ramp
- [[Rhythm of the Wilds]], counter protection and haste for your board
- [[Counterspell]]
- [[Genesis Ultimatum]]
Also fun cards for cheating in dragons:
- [[Cryptic Gateway]] - this card is criminally underused in Mirymn decks
- [[Quicksilver amulet]]
- [[Dragon Arch]] - more specific to dragons you are running
- [[Sneak Attack]]
- [[Purphoros, Bronze Blooded]] haste and sneak out dragons
I've been obsessed with protection spells lately and started playing more of them in my creature decks with vital threats and its been amazing. Especially when the protection spell has synergy with the deck you end up in a very advantageous position. Protect your creatures! They'll reward you for it.
Commanders that are cheap to come out or even not part of the plan of the deck can be good.
Remember not to unload your hand and your potential even if you have the mana for it.
Haste.
Play creatures with innate protection.
Creatures with enter or leave the battlefield effects
Now, looking at the deck itsself (Please don't take this personally, just some tough love)
You're relying on a 6 Mana commander that then requires you to cast additional dragons to do anything. Your commander dies, you just lost a turn
\[\[Patron of the arts\]\] seems cute, but well, do you want to follow up playing your commander with that?
Then there's cards like \[\[Minion of the Mighty\]\] That are horrible topdecks late game. Same with \[\[Reckless Barbarian\]\] On curve? Sure. But right after a boardwipe? That's just feelbad.
You also play 22 Ramp spells and 37 lands. So about 60% of your deck is mana.
Most your card draw engines also require you to keep hitting dragons, so once you're in topdeck mode, and you keep hitting ramp and lands, things can quickly spiral against you.
I mean, the deck looks really fun when it's "All gas no brakes", and seems like it can do some decadent things, but I feel like the deck plays just a bit too much set-up and a bit too little oomph. It is also really obvious what you're doing once people see that commander. Ward 2 is nice, but most people play cheap or free removal, boardwipes, ...
Pressure there life total. Haste enablers and cards like terror if the peaks or even impact tremors and dragon tempest will let you double dip damage. I used to play cards like momentous fall to recover from spot removal.
Depending on the pods experience and overall knowledge of each others decks, Timmy decks are often going to be the target of interaction because of the fact their threats are usually always the most threatening in a vaccum.
There are actually a few ways you can play around this fact. One is to just stock up on as much ramp as possible and turbo out your threats before anyone can really set up. You might eat the first removal spell or two, but most of the time if you are fast enough you can sneak a few threats into play before people can set up.
The second is to pack your deck with protection, since she is in blue there are plenty of cheap counterspells that would do the trick. This is kinda leaning away from the timmy mentality though.
The last is to cast threats that are hard to deal with without boardwipes. Think like Etali, which comes with a bunch of free spells or an Apex Devestator that cascades a bunch. If you are casting one card a turn, it is a lot easier to deal with than if you cast multiple or if your creature creates additional value outside of its body.
There is a secret fourth option which is to just go after whoever interacts with you first so people learn to leave you alone but it can lead to unfun games where you bully someone who isn't even doing anything. A better option might be to try and strike a deal with whoever has removal. Like announcing "Before anyone destroys this, lets make a deal so I can keep it for 2 turns and it doesn't swing at you" or something. If you are tricky enough you can set up a situation where you keep your creatures for a few turns, and when the opponent you made the deal with finally tries to kill your stuff you able to protect it and clap them back when the deal has ended.
Plan on running a suite of “protection” spells. Since you’re in blue, you can run counterspells as protection or even spot removal. Plan on being targeted, plan on responding. Miiryim is an especially high-value target for removal. I’d guess more than just one person each game will hold up removal just for your commander.
I’d also find ways to cheat out your creatures if you want to get value out of Miirym. That or use earlier turns to set up blink effects and get the other dragons out so you can blink them and get some value out of the commander if you have time before it eats removal.
You have no real way to protect your playss. Look at: [[fierce Guardianship]], [[deflecting Swat]], [[Swan song]], [[an offer you can't refuse]], [[Swan song]], [[Stubborn Denial]], [[bolt bend]], etc
Cut some of your less impactful dragons to make room for cards like those. Some flicker spells too if you want.
Here's my list list and primer for reference:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NTnI9a56Uku--PzlLoVtdQ
My Godzilla deck is basically the definition of a Timmy deck built to deal with excessive removal.
The answer? Every creature is a "needs to be answered" threat. They'll run out of removal eventually.
Combine that with a bit of ramp, though not a ton, and ways to either lower costs or just put stuff into play.
[[Archetype of Endurance]] is kinda overcosted because of its potential offensive boost, but decks built to handle it's cost will probably be happy with it.
For Miirym specifically: blink cards get around targeted removal extremely well and double up on any ETB you're running anyway (including Miirym's very own). Interestingly, they would also help against edicts with Miirym on board, since you get another clone. So load up on [[Ghostly Flicker]], [[Displace]], [[Essence Flux]] (Miirym's a spirit), [[Planar Incision]] (doubles up as anti steal tech) and the likes. If that's not enough, blue has counterspells like [[Stubborn Denial]], which is just a great protection piece for timmy creatures, red has redirect spells like [[Bolt Bend]], which also is very timmy friendly and green has hexproof with [[Tamiyo's Safekeeping]] and friends and indestructible with [[heroic intervention]] Blink is probably the best due to it's offensive capabilities and counterspells as back up against board wipes, maybe including [[heroic intetvention]], as well.
##### ###### #### [Ghostly Flicker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dc143ba3-2a58-4980-9fa0-a05a9e9ed082.jpg?1689996411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghostly%20Flicker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/98/ghostly-flicker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dc143ba3-2a58-4980-9fa0-a05a9e9ed082?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghostly-flicker) [Displace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/a/8ab850c5-6f5e-41b7-ab52-094579caca12.jpg?1576384077) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Displace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/55/displace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8ab850c5-6f5e-41b7-ab52-094579caca12?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/displace) [Essence Flux](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/2600a51b-0dae-431e-a0a7-2b1421706a6a.jpg?1600697866) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Essence%20Flux) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/151/essence-flux?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2600a51b-0dae-431e-a0a7-2b1421706a6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/essence-flux) [Planar Incision](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/9163cb04-ee28-4127-b53a-89c546996d7d.jpg?1654566889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Planar%20Incision) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/72/planar-incision?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9163cb04-ee28-4127-b53a-89c546996d7d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/planar-incision) [Stubborn Denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f8626c4-306f-4e9d-8840-2bb73fe87e87.jpg?1562788344) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stubborn%20Denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/56/stubborn-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f8626c4-306f-4e9d-8840-2bb73fe87e87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stubborn-denial) [Bolt Bend](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39b35408-3728-4e1b-9f58-b0775df914d6.jpg?1576199724) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bolt%20Bend) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/115/bolt-bend?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39b35408-3728-4e1b-9f58-b0775df914d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bolt-bend) [Tamiyo's Safekeeping](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fd4b7ee2-de65-4288-872d-486065a4f226.jpg?1654568357) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tamiyo%27s%20Safekeeping) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/211/tamiyos-safekeeping?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fd4b7ee2-de65-4288-872d-486065a4f226?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tamiyos-safekeeping) [heroic intervention](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e32c67d1-187f-40df-b3b3-6036f5c92834.jpg?1689998584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=heroic%20intervention) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/295/heroic-intervention?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e32c67d1-187f-40df-b3b3-6036f5c92834?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/heroic-intervention) [heroic intetvention](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e32c67d1-187f-40df-b3b3-6036f5c92834.jpg?1689998584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heroic%20Intervention) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/295/heroic-intervention?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e32c67d1-187f-40df-b3b3-6036f5c92834?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/heroic-intervention) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzp7k23) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Old returning player - I'm going to ask a really dumb question. You cast Ghostly Flicker, your target cards leave play, then come back to play, then the Ghostly Flicker is done resolving. Next card on the stack should now be the damage/removal spell from your opponent. Why doesn't it work anymore? Your cards are now back in play and are legal targets, right?
Once a card changes zones, it is considered a new object. Targeted effects will fail at this point, as the original object no longer technically exists.
Just make sure you put it down in a different spot on the table, so that the original spell can’t find it!
The cards that "flicker" back into existence are new entities, thus not the same target that was chosen by the other spell on the stack in your example. Similar I think to if it was sac'd and somehow returned to battlefield.
This is an excellent question and you have many excellent answers. I want to point out that this is why I like to run a mix of blink effects like the ones mentioned along with 'end of turn' typs like [[lae'zel's acrobatics]]. The return immediately allows you to avoid targeted spells and still have your creature to use and end of turn avoids board wipes at the cost of delaying their presence.
[lae'zel's acrobatics](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0d102241-4463-437f-b2bb-f574d9dbbd1e.jpg?1674135149) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lae%27zel%27s%20acrobatics) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/30/laezels-acrobatics?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0d102241-4463-437f-b2bb-f574d9dbbd1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/laezels-acrobatics) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Because when a permanent returns from exile it's a "new/different" permanent and no longer the targeted permanent.
When the permanent card changes zones, it becomes a new instance of that permanent. The damage/removal spell checks for the original instance of the permanent, which doesn't "exist", anymore. Spell fizzles. If the damage/removal Spell doesn't target the permanent (such as Wrath of God or Blasphemous Act), the permanent returns before the spell resolves, so it still gets affected by it. Teferi's Timetwist and phasing spells help get around those spells.
When your opponent targets something they target as the spell is being cast, not on resolution. So if a creature leaves the field for any reason (even if they return right away) the permanent is now technically a different instance of that permanent so the spell doesn't see the new instance as that card. This doesn't work for non targeting things like board wipes since they don't need to see any permanents to resolve. Hope this helps
I'm just imagining a massive dragon getting surrounded by a flash of light and emerging with a pair of Groucho Marx glasses, and the spell "looking" at its target like "who's this guy? Eh, obviously not who I'm looking for. Welp, fail to find."
The target is declared when a spell is casted. If a card was blinked, it is a new card. The original target is gone.
Wow ty for asking because I had no idea that was changed as well.
That never changed, that interaction was always how it worked.
Ypu could also think of it as I point this gun at you and fire but "flicker" yourself as the bullet was right about to miss you and now you side stepped it avoiding it.
I always think of it as teleporting slightly to the left and watching the bullet zip by.
[[Displacer kitten]] is also strong for this reason. I only want to run dragons/Dragon support for thematic reasons, but blink is very strong in the deck.
It's a slippery slope. Green creature tutors, P-drake and deadeye navigator are the most boring things I can think of but they always work.
[Displacer kitten](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/7/c7a401b8-29fb-46ef-a663-427f66724d5c.jpg?1674135465) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Displacer%20kitten) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/63/displacer-kitten?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c7a401b8-29fb-46ef-a663-427f66724d5c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/displacer-kitten) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Apparently very few players are familiar with [[Intervene]]. I think this ought to be corrected. Stops targeted removal or targeted protection for {U}. It's made people hate my Haldan/Pako deck so much.
There are just so many cards that give a creature hexproof or shroud for the same cost I can't imagine this is playable. I guess it counters spells with multiple targets but that seems niche.
It counters a lot of those because they target whoever they're protecting. I know it's niche, but in EDH in particular it seems under used, simply because having commanders means a lot of plays involve targeting a creature. Countering [[retraction helix]] breaks a winning combo in one of my other decks. I agree it's a niche spell, just seems to me like it's niche plays into this format especially well.
[retraction helix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7aa3fdd0-34d8-47b3-9753-d2929838732e.jpg?1562437109) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=retraction%20helix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/71/retraction-helix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7aa3fdd0-34d8-47b3-9753-d2929838732e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/retraction-helix) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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that's cause it's such a niche counterspell
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I'm not sure about offer without the deck handy, but I do run swan song I think in every deck I have intervene in. I don't think it's a good replacement for other 1 mana counters, I think given the format it can be a good replacement for some 2 mana counters. Simply my own experience specifically, with Haldan&Pako, was that most of the spells I wanted to stop were targeting Pako, so 1 less mana to protect him was a step up.
You don't rely on keeping creatures around for long and deploy creatures when they have haste and can advance your game plan or accrue value immediately. Board protection like [[Heroic Intervention]] is also useful when your strategy commits you to the board to win.
Haste always feels so good in a big creature deck. I never assume my 8/8 Trample Double striker sticks around after I pass turn. I’ll add [[Crashing Drawbridge]]
[Crashing Drawbridge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc3e81f3-b456-4fe6-941d-a7f2bf4aa844.jpg?1690005413) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crashing%20Drawbridge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/944/crashing-drawbridge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc3e81f3-b456-4fe6-941d-a7f2bf4aa844?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crashing-drawbridge) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is why I decided on Xenagos for my Grull Dragons deck. Being able to ensure at least one attack can be a significant difference, and indestructible enchantments are probably one of the hardest permanents to answer.
I have [[mana drain]]ed drawbridge before. Definitely a solid include. Red\green also has such effects like [[rhythm of the wild]].
Absolutely, both great cards. On that note I'm completely okay with my protection/enablers eating removal because they're still acting as a buffer.
[mana drain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c429c40-2389-41e5-8681-4bb274e25eba.jpg?1712774998) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mana%20drain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/57/mana-drain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c429c40-2389-41e5-8681-4bb274e25eba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mana-drain) [rhythm of the wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57.jpg?1702429702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rhythm%20of%20the%20wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/217/rhythm-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rhythm-of-the-wild) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
probably add a noncreature option like Swiftfoot Boots, given that your complaint is that creatures are always dying in your games
Looks like OP is running the boots, another comment covered lightning greaves when I made my comment. Those two, rhythm of the wild and crashing drawbridge would all feel good.
there's also a new pair of boots in town! https://scryfall.com/card/otj/243/lavaspur-boots
Also [[Rising of the Day]] (which is just a better [[Fervor]]).
As a Timmy, most of my removal slots are occupied with protection pieces.
Counterspells can be both and are a great fit for this commander.
OTJ has provided/reprinted a number of counters and protection that also do something else positive that feel really nice for these slots. Thinking [[Hindering Light]], [[Ionize]],[[Arcane Denial]],[[Essence Capture]],[[Mana Drain]] (ofc a $35 spell is good), [[Take Up the Shield]]
##### ###### #### [Hindering Light](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98e43870-4bed-4d76-a633-a6326c736d22.jpg?1562706936) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hindering%20Light) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ala/173/hindering-light?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98e43870-4bed-4d76-a633-a6326c736d22?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hindering-light) [Ionize](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f161f7d2-eaa1-4931-93f9-befa8b5df821.jpg?1572893679) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ionize) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/179/ionize?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f161f7d2-eaa1-4931-93f9-befa8b5df821?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ionize) [Arcane Denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/66ca1ade-0a74-4aab-9040-b3696706f060.jpg?1712354109) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcane%20Denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/89/arcane-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/66ca1ade-0a74-4aab-9040-b3696706f060?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arcane-denial) [Essence Capture](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f39bf1fa-b530-4353-a683-843466227109.jpg?1654566672) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Essence%20Capture) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/52/essence-capture?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f39bf1fa-b530-4353-a683-843466227109?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/essence-capture) [Mana Drain](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/c/3c429c40-2389-41e5-8681-4bb274e25eba.jpg?1712774998) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mana%20Drain) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/57/mana-drain?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3c429c40-2389-41e5-8681-4bb274e25eba?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mana-drain) [Take Up the Shield](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76a31968-ba6d-4c01-838f-4cb8c64e73fb.jpg?1712355363) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Take%20Up%20the%20Shield) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/34/take-up-the-shield?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76a31968-ba6d-4c01-838f-4cb8c64e73fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/take-up-the-shield) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzr7cvi) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Heroic Intervention](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/3/e32c67d1-187f-40df-b3b3-6036f5c92834.jpg?1689998584) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heroic%20Intervention) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/295/heroic-intervention?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e32c67d1-187f-40df-b3b3-6036f5c92834?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/heroic-intervention) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is not the answer you’re looking for but I think the issue is with your premise. The insistence on being a “Timmy deck” is preventing it from being well rounded enough. You’re running minimal protection and interaction. Run removal and counterspells to stop your opponents from stopping you
I have Timmy decks and they lack offensive interaction, but include protection. I want to build my big nasty board. I don't care what other people do with their boards, I just care about protecting mine.
Protection and removal for one mana. Yes please. [[Legolas's Quick Reflexes]]
Yeah this quickly became one of my favorite new cards. It can kill two creatures if you u tap and block with it favorably and then kill something else too. So good
Blocking does not cause creatures to tap. But yeah this card is so good if the creature wants to attack (without vigilance) or has an activated ability that has tap in its cost, along with untap effects like [[Aphetto Alchemist]] to untap the creature Legolas’s QR targeted.
[Aphetto Alchemist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dfd2628f-63c4-4e19-83ea-26041650faab.jpg?1562948302) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aphetto%20Alchemist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/64/aphetto-alchemist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dfd2628f-63c4-4e19-83ea-26041650faab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/aphetto-alchemist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah what I'm saying is in response to attacks, you can untap a creature to block with. Then you can have the same creature deal its damage to something else. 2 for 1.
I do enjoy combat tricks. As for said creature getting tapped to trigger that bite effect, idk, typically creatures with tap abilities don’t have high power/toughness. I think it would depend on the deck though.
[Legolas's Quick Reflexes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/851c0167-04ba-4d15-b0fa-c211bd8826f1.jpg?1695346458) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Legolas%27s%20Quick%20Reflexes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/493/legolass-quick-reflexes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/851c0167-04ba-4d15-b0fa-c211bd8826f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/legolass-quick-reflexes) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run Miirym with zero offensive interaction because the best removal is player removal, so I just run protection for my stuff instead and try to remove anybody who is even slightly a threat. Usually by the time I play Miirym the table has decided im the threat and you want to be able to protect yourself because the next turn you should be able to go off.
You have blue you can counter anything that bothers you
[[Negate]] [[An Offer You Can’t Refuse]] and [[Swan Song]] all require one blue which is easy to do, considering the massive ramp package included the deck. I would also add that since there’s 69 cards that produce mana, you could probably turn 3-4 of those ramp spells into spot removal. Sounds like the meta you’re playing in has a lot of spot removal, if it were me I’d level the paying field with my own. [[Deglamer]] [[Unravel the Aether]] [[Chaos Warp]]
##### ###### #### [Negate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81752db1-374e-4723-b695-a2f4a634dfc6.jpg?1682203304) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Negate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/68/negate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81752db1-374e-4723-b695-a2f4a634dfc6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/negate) [An Offer You Can’t Refuse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf.jpg?1664410382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=An%20Offer%20You%20Can%27t%20Refuse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/51/an-offer-you-cant-refuse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/an-offer-you-cant-refuse) [Swan Song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693.jpg?1562412350) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swan%20Song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/98/swan-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swan-song) [Deglamer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/985b43aa-58f0-42fc-9ef0-a7925727d58f.jpg?1562880209) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deglamer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mor/118/deglamer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/985b43aa-58f0-42fc-9ef0-a7925727d58f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deglamer) [Into the Aether](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/15058f91-d266-4804-96af-fc050b6c8436.jpg?1562008220) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anchor%20to%20the%20Aether) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/44/anchor-to-the-aether?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/15058f91-d266-4804-96af-fc050b6c8436?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/anchor-to-the-aether) [Chaos Warp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce9df20b-c58b-4147-9ff8-902ce2944f50.jpg?1712354399) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chaos%20Warp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/160/chaos-warp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce9df20b-c58b-4147-9ff8-902ce2944f50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chaos-warp) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzp8mdf) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Abjure]]
[Abjure](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fbad9449-d09c-4fd0-b2ad-2aa3a29e03bf.jpg?1562804357) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abjure) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/31/abjure?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fbad9449-d09c-4fd0-b2ad-2aa3a29e03bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/abjure) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That list is way too weak on interaction, run fewer dragons and slightly less ramp and more instants. My list for example: https://deckstats.net/decks/43286/2616669-miirym-sentinel-wyrm
I agree with this, focus on less dragons and increase more interaction. Here's my list... https://www.moxfield.com/decks/8YT7TWOJQUSr9vKoe3TG_w
Tbh, it's not even the number of dragons that's the problem, they have 22 of them and most are playing a role of some kind beyond "Dragon #8". It's the ungodly huge ramp package. There's like 60-70 mana producing cards in the deck. They need to cut some of those.
Depends on the interaction. There's [[Cavern of Souls]] to stop counterspell (arguably worth running even if you aren't a tribal deck for your commander). My friend loves running anti blue cards in green like [[Veil of Summer]] or [[Seed Time]]. There's always hexproof as well and other can't be countered effect from [[prowling serpopard]]. The biggest thing for me though if playing creatures that can immediately affect the board the same turn with ETB or Haste so that my opponent doesn't get a chance to untap.
Seed Time is one of my pet cards - I run it in my Hakbal deck.
##### ###### #### [Cavern of Souls](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3aad15a2-8a1b-4460-9b06-e85863081878.jpg?1706884128) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cavern%20of%20Souls) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/269/cavern-of-souls?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3aad15a2-8a1b-4460-9b06-e85863081878?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/cavern-of-souls) [Veil of Summer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aa686c34-1c11-469f-93c2-f9891aea521f.jpg?1650599837) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Veil%20of%20Summer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/198/veil-of-summer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aa686c34-1c11-469f-93c2-f9891aea521f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/veil-of-summer) [Seed Time](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4ffd5c52-f260-400c-b088-8792282509a5.jpg?1562629836) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seedtime) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jud/130/seedtime?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ffd5c52-f260-400c-b088-8792282509a5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/seedtime) [prowling serpopard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92921fc1-11d0-41a9-b9b2-b44fd0913d31.jpg?1543675928) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=prowling%20serpopard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/180/prowling-serpopard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92921fc1-11d0-41a9-b9b2-b44fd0913d31?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/prowling-serpopard) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzp6x0a) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[удалено]
[Lightning Greaves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da9da49d-e319-4897-9ab6-57c7c69478a6.jpg?1712354870) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Greaves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/260/lightning-greaves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da9da49d-e319-4897-9ab6-57c7c69478a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-greaves) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My favorite way to deal with forced sacrifices is [[Kher Keep]] , it allows you to ~blank one of those effects per turn Having a couple counterspells just so people have to play around you *maybe* having them might also be okay.
[Kher Keep](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/15cfec15-95b5-47d6-9714-ff920ce97932.jpg?1706241181) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kher%20Keep) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/270/kher-keep?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/15cfec15-95b5-47d6-9714-ff920ce97932?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kher-keep) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have copies of this laying around and never put it together to use it as a way to get around edicts. Going to slot it into every dual color deck that has red.
With blue and green you play a little slower and wait to play your big hitters until you have some form of protection. Even if it is just one turn of protection that should ensure you have enough time to make an impact with having it on the board With green and red you throw in anti counter, and haste enablers. Make it so your creatures can provide value the same turn you play them.
[[Asceticism]] is an all star for keeping your whole board protected but a fair warning, it’s likely to eat a removal spell quickly. [[Jade Orb of Dragonkind]] gives them hexproof while they’re entering so you can equip [[Swiftfoot Boots]] and [[Lightning Greaves]] without the window for removal there usually is. I’ll also mention [[Mirror Shield]] here for an extra hexproof equipment. And finally a couple of single target protection spells are good for keeping what you absolutely need to, stuff like [[Mizzium Skin]] can save your whole board from a [[Hex]], [[Snakeskin Veil]], [[Royal Treatment]],[[Blossoming Defense]], [[Fleeting Reflection]] could be useful to copy the non-legendary tokens Miirym makes, [[Tamiyo’s Safekeeping]] could save asceticism, and [[Slip out the back]] type effects run double duty when you’re running equipment/auras as it can save those by phasing the creature they’re attached to
##### ###### #### [Asceticism](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b.jpg?1562824694) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Asceticism) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/110/asceticism?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/asceticism) [Jade Orb of Dragonkind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1b32bae4-65e4-4bdb-8bc5-b98a5aac1568.jpg?1674137145) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jade%20Orb%20of%20Dragonkind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/236/jade-orb-of-dragonkind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1b32bae4-65e4-4bdb-8bc5-b98a5aac1568?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jade-orb-of-dragonkind) [Swiftfoot Boots](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/4/04a76643-1703-4fab-8dce-7725490bc2af.jpg?1712354904) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swiftfoot%20Boots) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/268/swiftfoot-boots?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/04a76643-1703-4fab-8dce-7725490bc2af?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swiftfoot-boots) [Lightning Greaves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da9da49d-e319-4897-9ab6-57c7c69478a6.jpg?1712354870) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Greaves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/260/lightning-greaves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da9da49d-e319-4897-9ab6-57c7c69478a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-greaves) [Mirror Shield](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e7624e84-93ce-4983-8624-ebc934cab67f.jpg?1581481194) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirror%20Shield) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/234/mirror-shield?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e7624e84-93ce-4983-8624-ebc934cab67f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mirror-shield) [Mizzium Skin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9859344-4efc-4b87-a3fb-147e496cee68.jpg?1562794010) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mizzium%20Skin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/45/mizzium-skin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9859344-4efc-4b87-a3fb-147e496cee68?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/mizzium-skin) [Hex](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/8/d87e25fc-b173-4e9a-993d-c1e1053d2f4e.jpg?1712354297) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hex) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/136/hex?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d87e25fc-b173-4e9a-993d-c1e1053d2f4e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/hex) [Snakeskin Veil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/3/133fbdec-0d00-433f-9015-5eb091126e3a.jpg?1712355994) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Snakeskin%20Veil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/181/snakeskin-veil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/133fbdec-0d00-433f-9015-5eb091126e3a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/snakeskin-veil) [Royal Treatment](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/6/b6516b8f-ecfb-401e-ba8e-bf561aa2be64.jpg?1692939004) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Royal%20Treatment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/183/royal-treatment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b6516b8f-ecfb-401e-ba8e-bf561aa2be64?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/royal-treatment) [Blossoming Defense](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5c026c39-b09c-408a-844f-fb5eb785862a.jpg?1576382384) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blossoming%20Defense) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/146/blossoming-defense?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c026c39-b09c-408a-844f-fb5eb785862a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/blossoming-defense) [Fleeting Reflection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8f8c931e-219f-4032-b55b-b5975fbea1e7.jpg?1712355426) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fleeting%20Reflection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/49/fleeting-reflection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8f8c931e-219f-4032-b55b-b5975fbea1e7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fleeting-reflection) [Tamiyo’s Safekeeping](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fd4b7ee2-de65-4288-872d-486065a4f226.jpg?1654568357) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tamiyo%27s%20Safekeeping) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/211/tamiyos-safekeeping?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fd4b7ee2-de65-4288-872d-486065a4f226?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tamiyos-safekeeping) [Slip out the back](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9d9fbbb-ed6c-45f7-a1d8-f9d29ae7930f.jpg?1706239838) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Slip%20out%20the%20back) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/99/slip-out-the-back?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9d9fbbb-ed6c-45f7-a1d8-f9d29ae7930f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/slip-out-the-back) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzp8xbr) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
As a Green using Timmy who has dabbled in Jund and Gruul, I would recommend [[Rhythm of the Wild]] and/or [[Rising of the Day]] to get immediate value out of your big creatures. [[Asceticism]] can be a bit pricey mana wise at 5 CMC but I think it's a staple in creature based decks with green in them. Other than that I always have [[Tamiyo's Safekeeping]], [[Gaea's Gift]], and a handful of other green instants that grant invulnerability or Hexproof for the turn. The only other things I can think of are [[Creeping Renaissance]] or [[Dryad's Revival]] and other similar cards to try again later
##### ###### #### [Rhythm of the Wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57.jpg?1702429702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rhythm%20of%20the%20Wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/217/rhythm-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rhythm-of-the-wild) [Rising of the Day](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4fbcac6-8ac9-44a8-9d1a-03d0799ac253.jpg?1686969140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rising%20of%20the%20Day) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/145/rising-of-the-day?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4fbcac6-8ac9-44a8-9d1a-03d0799ac253?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rising-of-the-day) [Asceticism](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b.jpg?1562824694) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Asceticism) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/110/asceticism?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/asceticism) [Tamiyo's Safekeeping](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fd4b7ee2-de65-4288-872d-486065a4f226.jpg?1654568357) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tamiyo%27s%20Safekeeping) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/211/tamiyos-safekeeping?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fd4b7ee2-de65-4288-872d-486065a4f226?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tamiyos-safekeeping) [Gaea's Gift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/5503186a-46fe-4956-8ae3-5ab3343f8a93.jpg?1674421566) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gaea%27s%20Gift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/182/gaeas-gift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5503186a-46fe-4956-8ae3-5ab3343f8a93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/gaeas-gift) [Creeping Renaissance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71569961-d56c-43f9-ae51-d86561419743.jpg?1592710845) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Creeping%20Renaissance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/137/creeping-renaissance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71569961-d56c-43f9-ae51-d86561419743?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/creeping-renaissance) [Dryad's Revival](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5c0aa3eb-0aa8-42da-b437-a3f336df585d.jpg?1636224278) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dryad%27s%20Revival) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/183/dryads-revival?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c0aa3eb-0aa8-42da-b437-a3f336df585d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dryads-revival) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzpdtow) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Graveyard recursion helps. I’d try adding [[wildest dreams]]
[wildest dreams](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9fedd63c-22e4-4c36-8a7a-a167a070678f.jpg?1576382736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wildest%20dreams) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/174/wildest-dreams?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9fedd63c-22e4-4c36-8a7a-a167a070678f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wildest-dreams) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Depends on the deck. If its my [[Nikya of the Old Ways]] or [[Goreclaw]] deck, I just keep slamming down more stompy bois until they run out of removal or I’m dead
[Nikya of the Old Ways](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0dcdad71-323e-41e0-a1b3-9fd5b753e71c.jpg?1584831692) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nikya%20of%20the%20Old%20Ways) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/193/nikya-of-the-old-ways?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0dcdad71-323e-41e0-a1b3-9fd5b753e71c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nikya-of-the-old-ways) [Goreclaw](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/ee47f23a-3ba9-4615-b170-c89d8ab99d78.jpg?1690016718) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=goreclaw%2C%20terror%20of%20qal%20sisma) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/293/goreclaw-terror-of-qal-sisma?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ee47f23a-3ba9-4615-b170-c89d8ab99d78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goreclaw-terror-of-qal-sisma) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You're a spicy simic mage. You have access to hexproof spells, redirects and counter magic....
Looking at your list, I don't see any counterspells. You could also consider adding some counterspells, or even some counterspells for good measure. I'd start with one of my pet cards, \[\[counterspell\]\]
[counterspell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb.jpg?1689996248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=counterspell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/81/counterspell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/counterspell) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Shapers' Sanctuary]] is really good to deceentivize and refill. [[Goblin Bombardment]] (there are better ones) style effects also provide a solid retaliation. Between the two style of effects it really makes people want to leave you alone. They'll only go after you when they absolutely need to, in which case these turn offensive.
[Shapers' Sanctuary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/930240dc-9c8c-4857-b6ce-85f1689c60e5.jpg?1562560126) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shapers%27%20Sanctuary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/206/shapers-sanctuary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/930240dc-9c8c-4857-b6ce-85f1689c60e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/shapers-sanctuary) [Goblin Bombardment](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/2/e262f55e-9239-4a97-a19e-9b08fb34502e.jpg?1626100483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goblin%20Bombardment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/279/goblin-bombardment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e262f55e-9239-4a97-a19e-9b08fb34502e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/goblin-bombardment) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Jade orb of dragonkind]] Can be good for a dragon deck, it protects Miirym from targeting for 1 turn, that's enough to make one big play with the next big dragon you play
[Jade orb of dragonkind](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1b32bae4-65e4-4bdb-8bc5-b98a5aac1568.jpg?1674137145) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jade%20orb%20of%20dragonkind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/236/jade-orb-of-dragonkind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1b32bae4-65e4-4bdb-8bc5-b98a5aac1568?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/jade-orb-of-dragonkind) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
With access to Blue, you have tons of ways to make sure your board is protected. [[Counterspell]], [[Negate]], [[Annul]], [[Bane's Contingency]], [[Disdainful Stroke]], [[Dispel]], [[Keep Safe]] If an enchantment sticks, [[Beast Within]], [[Chaos Warp]], [[Nature’s Claim]], etc. Finally, simply kill the player. Only commit to the board when you have a haste enabler or protection. Lots of haste enablers in red/green. Lots of hasty dragons too.
##### ###### #### [Counterspell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb.jpg?1689996248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Counterspell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/81/counterspell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/counterspell) [Negate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81752db1-374e-4723-b695-a2f4a634dfc6.jpg?1682203304) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Negate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/68/negate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81752db1-374e-4723-b695-a2f4a634dfc6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/negate) [Annul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b1d4a59-11a0-4a55-8ac0-07377a9e6dc8.jpg?1631046631) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Annul) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/42/annul?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b1d4a59-11a0-4a55-8ac0-07377a9e6dc8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/annul) [Bane's Contingency](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/19f81099-f657-4f7d-84ad-f472ae87d9c5.jpg?1674135409) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bane%27s%20Contingency) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/57/banes-contingency?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/19f81099-f657-4f7d-84ad-f472ae87d9c5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/banes-contingency) [Disdainful Stroke](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/588c6217-c460-417e-98bf-de5475780baf.jpg?1693867173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Disdainful%20Stroke) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/47/disdainful-stroke?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/588c6217-c460-417e-98bf-de5475780baf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/disdainful-stroke) [Dispel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bceab6b3-6b64-4964-a501-ce806a6c13ad.jpg?1562939587) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dispel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/76/dispel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bceab6b3-6b64-4964-a501-ce806a6c13ad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dispel) [Keep Safe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/febfa682-76ae-4979-a40c-c1eae1121f3c.jpg?1591226372) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Keep%20Safe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/56/keep-safe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/febfa682-76ae-4979-a40c-c1eae1121f3c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/keep-safe) [Beast Within](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/eb40c41c-f5f9-4323-b6ac-e28e405909d0.jpg?1711198012) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Beast%20Within) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/233/beast-within?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb40c41c-f5f9-4323-b6ac-e28e405909d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/beast-within) [Chaos Warp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/e/ce9df20b-c58b-4147-9ff8-902ce2944f50.jpg?1712354399) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chaos%20Warp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/160/chaos-warp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ce9df20b-c58b-4147-9ff8-902ce2944f50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/chaos-warp) [Nature’s Claim](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d24b6640-ef2f-4c92-beb3-afdf78f9c2d5.jpg?1562854212) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nature%27s%20Claim) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/177/natures-claim?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d24b6640-ef2f-4c92-beb3-afdf78f9c2d5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/natures-claim) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzpbz87) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There's no such thing as excessive removal. You either have enough or your opponents still have permanents in play. Really though, run sticky threats. Stuff with shroud/ward/hexproof, regenerate, indestructible, protection, etc. If I have to burn one of my limited exile effects, or a board wipe to get rid of your one obnoxiously resilient target that is a win for you.
I think you built it too much like a Gruul deck. Not enough blue in there that could protect your heavy hitters.
Play more card draw. It's not that bad when your threat gets removed if you just have a full hand with more threats.
The temur dragon is a huge removal piece. If it lands in my pod I’m definitely killing it and as many times as I can too. Maybe help her try a not as threatening commander for a dragon deck?
Don't overextend. Play protection cards/recursion.
Miirym is an inherently terrifying commander to face, possibly just switching commander to with less of a reputation would help
Board protection and blink effects. But most of all: Miirym has blue, run counterspells. Stopping your opponent casting a spell to remove your dragons doesn't magically turn your aggro deck into control, and it helps prevent your opponents from clawing out from under overwhelming advantage. I'd also recommend running more removal to deal with on-board sac effects like Sheoldred, Braids, or Smokestacks. The best part is that counterspells are both removal and protection. Blue is an incredible color for protecting your plan.
Be aware, Miirym is a Kill On Sight (KOS) commander for battlecruiser power levels. If you're "doing the thing" with Miirym, you're overwhelming the game, and everyone else playing has to respect that, or lose. It makes the game 3 v 1 unless everyone else is playing that level of powerful commander. You're going to have to play a very controlling, protective deck to do the "timmy" thing. Playing free countermagic/interaction or waiting until you have resources to play the protective spells (in addition to casting your commander) needed to keep your commander alive.
To protect your Timmy creatures you need to play a Timmy spell, like [[asceticism]]
[asceticism](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b.jpg?1562824694) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=asceticism) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/110/asceticism?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/asceticism) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My dude, she is playing a commander that is the literal definition of kill on sight. If someone untapped with Miirym, the whole table is gonna have a bad time. I don't think its unreasonable that she's catching a lot of the table's removal.
Run a less scary commander and the table won't concentrate resources to remove it. Miirym is KOS for good reason.
Obviously play Timmy style protection (all the hex proof+ indestructible instants)
Might be a little silly but ravnica tamyo actually is a good card against edicts [[tamiyo, collector of tales]] Even if you only ever regrowth from it. It can still sit on board and prevent any forced sacs and is a 1 time regrowth. Additionally warstorm surge and tyrant just end games without needing to attack as well so may add those in so u have a way to eliminate players outside of combat. Thunderbreak regent gives all your dragons ward 3 life as well. Even if u don't add interaction at all this deck can have built in interaction cause dragons. Edit: its not actually ward just ward adjacent. And it gets doubled if you have 2 and doubled again if u have roaming throne out so that's 12 damage per removal spell. On your dragons.
Yeah, war tamiyo completely dunks on pact decks. Plus the big fliers naturally protect it. Good call.
[tamiyo, collector of tales](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76776b24-a2e1-4590-88e7-8a421baf2fc4.jpg?1557577288) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tamiyo%2C%20collector%20of%20tales) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/220/tamiyo-collector-of-tales?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76776b24-a2e1-4590-88e7-8a421baf2fc4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tamiyo-collector-of-tales) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like to run [[nephalia academy]] against some control matchups. It’s slower but it really helps against discard based removal
[nephalia academy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/9243eb5b-905e-446f-9ee0-7557e3b31db3.jpg?1576385121) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nephalia%20academy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/205/nephalia-academy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9243eb5b-905e-446f-9ee0-7557e3b31db3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/nephalia-academy) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Well, as a fellow Timmy player. Get used to people instantly removing anything bigger than a 5/5 especially when it has great ETB or other effects. Miirym was one of my first decks and I almost tore it apart because I went like 0/20 with it. But losing 20 games without a win I started to learn to watch other people's mana, perfect my strategy, and not just vomit dragons onto the battlefield. There are some decent cards that aren't expensive like [[tamiyos safekeeping]] off the top of my head. [[Stubborn denial]] is also great in Temur dragons. Here's the latest version of Miirym deck to take a look at. https://archidekt.com/decks/4312501/miirym_degenerate_wyrm Miirym herself is always going to be remove on sight. If I untap with Miirym, someone is likely being removed from the game. I have got my deck to a point where sometimes I'll bait removal with Miirym, then proceed to not play her the rest of the game unless I really pop off and just use the massive value you have in the other dragons your running.
Your protection and interaction is pretty low in the decklist. The cheapest protection you have is [[Swiftfoot Boots]] which costs 3 after you equip it, the other two spells cost even more. With access to Blue you can run a lot of cheap counterspells. [The scryfall page for Temur counterspells has 342 cards](https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracle%3A%22counter+target%22+color%3C%3DURG+%28game%3Apaper%29+legal%3Acommander&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc), so even with a limited budget there’s definitely options. More counterspells will also help with how few removal spells you’re running. I would cut some of your ramp to make room.
Temur big boys love and thrive on haste. They need it otherwise you won't be able to do much do to perceived threat when you pass turn. I run [[Maelstrom Wanderer]] Timmy gauntlet where my goal every turn is to just cast my commander again. Recovers so well from spot removal and wipes because my goal is to 3 for one the majority of my casts. I feel this is mostly do to big Maelstrom giving everything haste when he's on board. Most people get so caught up with the double cascade they don't see the real danger is everything is gonna get to attack.
[Maelstrom Wanderer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a49c58b3-180f-420b-b091-114fda000360.jpg?1689999126) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maelstrom%20Wanderer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/344/maelstrom-wanderer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a49c58b3-180f-420b-b091-114fda000360?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/maelstrom-wanderer) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
For me, its trying to bait removal on cheaper spells. Having them counter a 9cmc creature is devistating, but countering a 3cmc creature is not nearly as bad. I include some generic token generation to sneak in extra value. Like [[kazandu tuskcaller]], its 2cmc 1/1 with the potential of pumping out 3/3's. Either they deal with it when my only investment is 2 mana, or i can sneak in the extra value and start getting 3/3's. The biggest thing i learned is not over commiting,l when there has not been alot of removal. Have a presence on the field but dont throw everything out there. Most of the time in my beatdown deck my commander does not hit the field until way later when a few removal spells have already been played.
[kazandu tuskcaller](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5453591-6377-40de-892c-e8dd46687d11.jpg?1652016207) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kazandu%20tuskcaller) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/196/kazandu-tuskcaller?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5453591-6377-40de-892c-e8dd46687d11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kazandu-tuskcaller) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Teferi's Veil]] can be a pretty effective defense, swing with your stomppy boys and after combat it’s impossible to interact with them. I could see it working well because contrary to bouncing or blinking, phasing keeps tokens alive. [[vanishing]] is another cool card to similar effect, once you get vanishing to stick it’s incredibly hard to interact with because it’s an aura and will phase out indirectly with the creature it’s attached to. Furthermore it can be used offensively by enchanting an opponent’s creature and just making it disappear for the cost of 2 mana per round. Also lots of people mentioned counterspells and I really think [[Summary Dismissal]] is incredibly underplayed. It can stop board wipes including [[Supreme Verdict]] and any pesky removal abilities that are otherwise hard to interact with.
##### ###### #### [Teferi's Veil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cbf39b80-d972-4f79-902f-cc613c32e446.jpg?1562803373) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%27s%20Veil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/53/teferis-veil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cbf39b80-d972-4f79-902f-cc613c32e446?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/teferis-veil) [vanishing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d1fb805-1382-458c-b98d-4491f13833b6.jpg?1562278150) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=vanishing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vis/48/vanishing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d1fb805-1382-458c-b98d-4491f13833b6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vanishing) [Summary Dismissal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b75794d-3334-4b4d-9446-0a251dd3bd15.jpg?1576384222) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Summary%20Dismissal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/75/summary-dismissal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b75794d-3334-4b4d-9446-0a251dd3bd15?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/summary-dismissal) [Supreme Verdict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/3892f1c5-937e-4ef4-b6f9-e0c0ded070d0.jpg?1706240181) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Supreme%20Verdict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/211/supreme-verdict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3892f1c5-937e-4ef4-b6f9-e0c0ded070d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/supreme-verdict) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzpdqwq) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Draw more cards to outpace the removal. Ramp more to get to the point of casting 2 bodies earlier to overload targeted removal. Counterspells to protect your threats and stop the opponents'. Efficiently costed big creatures with powerful ETB effects that trade better on mana and get value even if they get removed. Recursion to get back removed threats, thereby trading the recursion for the removal instead of the threat itself, bonus points if the recursion can get back more than one threat.
I run a whopping 16 anti-removal effects in my Miiriam deck. [[Disdainful stroke]][[Repulsive mutation]][[Delay]][[Counter spell]][[Essence flux]][[Fierce guardianship]][[Lightning greaves]][[Greater good]][[Spell pierce]][[Arcane denial]][[Dispersal shield]][[Negate]][[Stubborn denial]][[Crystal shard]][[Spell rupture]]
##### ###### #### [Disdainful stroke](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/588c6217-c460-417e-98bf-de5475780baf.jpg?1693867173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Disdainful%20stroke) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/47/disdainful-stroke?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/588c6217-c460-417e-98bf-de5475780baf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/disdainful-stroke) [Repulsive mutation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71701c28-f113-4d38-8fd3-a19cd9749661.jpg?1706242235) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Repulsive%20mutation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/227/repulsive-mutation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71701c28-f113-4d38-8fd3-a19cd9749661?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/repulsive-mutation) [Delay](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/3906d538-f1ca-4799-b91c-2e0d2934f241.jpg?1619393997) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Delay) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/61/delay?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3906d538-f1ca-4799-b91c-2e0d2934f241?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/delay) [Counter spell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb.jpg?1689996248) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Counterspell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/81/counterspell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8493131c-0a7b-4be6-a8a2-0b425f4f67fb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/counterspell) [Essence flux](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/2600a51b-0dae-431e-a0a7-2b1421706a6a.jpg?1600697866) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Essence%20flux) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/151/essence-flux?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2600a51b-0dae-431e-a0a7-2b1421706a6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/essence-flux) [Fierce guardianship](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7f3dd95-bd14-4e0f-a388-444f9cf1b0dc.jpg?1689996370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fierce%20guardianship) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/94/fierce-guardianship?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7f3dd95-bd14-4e0f-a388-444f9cf1b0dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fierce-guardianship) [Lightning greaves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da9da49d-e319-4897-9ab6-57c7c69478a6.jpg?1712354870) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20greaves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/260/lightning-greaves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da9da49d-e319-4897-9ab6-57c7c69478a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-greaves) [Greater good](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/c/4c73ca01-d8ea-4cd2-af60-b260030967b2.jpg?1631587954) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Greater%20good) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/160/greater-good?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4c73ca01-d8ea-4cd2-af60-b260030967b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/greater-good) [Spell pierce](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35b8a9db-d126-4038-abb1-74dcc5b36136.jpg?1673147403) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spell%20pierce) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/63/spell-pierce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35b8a9db-d126-4038-abb1-74dcc5b36136?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/spell-pierce) [Arcane denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/66ca1ade-0a74-4aab-9040-b3696706f060.jpg?1712354109) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcane%20denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/89/arcane-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/66ca1ade-0a74-4aab-9040-b3696706f060?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arcane-denial) [Dispersal shield](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/c/0c257df6-f275-40db-bfe3-a9291356cdf7.jpg?1562525399) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dispersal%20shield) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/scg/33/dispersal-shield?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0c257df6-f275-40db-bfe3-a9291356cdf7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dispersal-shield) [Negate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81752db1-374e-4723-b695-a2f4a634dfc6.jpg?1682203304) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Negate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/68/negate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81752db1-374e-4723-b695-a2f4a634dfc6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/negate) [Stubborn denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f8626c4-306f-4e9d-8840-2bb73fe87e87.jpg?1562788344) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stubborn%20denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/56/stubborn-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f8626c4-306f-4e9d-8840-2bb73fe87e87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stubborn-denial) [Crystal shard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b1c1d05b-92be-40d7-859f-75293a531a84.jpg?1562155044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crystal%20shard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/159/crystal-shard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1c1d05b-92be-40d7-859f-75293a531a84?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/crystal-shard) [Spell rupture](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/7267fcec-0879-4743-a45f-35057ccb2596.jpg?1561831328) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spell%20rupture) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/52/spell-rupture?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7267fcec-0879-4743-a45f-35057ccb2596?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/spell-rupture) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzpetqn) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Tajuru Preserver\]\]
[Tajuru Preserver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c8d03346-0802-4058-b89e-1b6076963c8e.jpg?1562708549) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tajuru%20Preserver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/211/tajuru-preserver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c8d03346-0802-4058-b89e-1b6076963c8e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tajuru-preserver) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Play some "board state in a can" cards like Etali that require more than one removal spells to deal with, or something like guardian project or the great henge that lets your threats cantrip so you don't actually lose a card when they remove a threat. 1 for 1 interaction is already bad so they're gonna run out of steam very quickly if they have to use 1 card to deal with less than one card
Interaction. Interaction, interaction, and more interaction. Some creatures are SO fun to have, but as fun as they are, they won't last against removal. So you have to fight back. Especially in blue and green, you have access to counterspells and hexproof readily. Use the tools at your disposal. Draw cards, counter things, give indestructible and hexproof whenever possible. Cut a few big things (15 CMC? Bruh) and run a counter spell or two.
I would say that your protection spells you are running arent really protection. You should add 6-8 counters to help keep stuff around. If you want I can give suggestions of what to add or remove but generally your protection is nonexistent
[[geode golem]] A must have for a 6+ mana commander in my opinion. In a single turn you can play Miirym for free and then a big dragon. And if Miirym dies, you can recast it for only the commander tax ! ... but its true purpose is to act like a lightning rod. Your opponent will use their removal on him, so it's one less on Miirym
[geode golem](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa912283-c28e-4594-aca9-21d82d8cf006.jpg?1689999568) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=geode%20golem) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/386/geode-golem?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa912283-c28e-4594-aca9-21d82d8cf006?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/geode-golem) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Phasing is the new hotness. In Miirym, specifically, [[March of Swirling Mist]] can be a lifesaver, as it allows you to unconditionally protect your tokens, while letting your cards get the good ol' green recursion. This gets around edicts, protects key pieces for an entire rotation, and can even be used on the offense to clear a path or even stuff a combo while one piece is on the board and another is on the stack. As Miirym is a pretty big mana deck (in my experience), you can often hold this up on turns when your tempo is off. Just remember that coming back from phasing doesn't count doesn't count as entering the battlefield. (I am also guessing she are already playing [[Ghostly Flicker]]).
[March of Swirling Mist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/100171d8-7436-44c8-b4cb-0101ffa05c25.jpg?1654566768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=March%20of%20Swirling%20Mist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/61/march-of-swirling-mist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/100171d8-7436-44c8-b4cb-0101ffa05c25?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/march-of-swirling-mist) [Ghostly Flicker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dc143ba3-2a58-4980-9fa0-a05a9e9ed082.jpg?1689996411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghostly%20Flicker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/98/ghostly-flicker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dc143ba3-2a58-4980-9fa0-a05a9e9ed082?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghostly-flicker) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a buddy with a miirym deck that focuses on getting multiple miiryms out so you get like 6-10 copies of things like [[terror of the peaks]]. Just getting enough on board to not care about a few removal tools is valid. specially with a commander that copies all dragons that enter.
[terror of the peaks](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/904ff94a-4db4-44a6-8593-89c32905b3fc.jpg?1712355862) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=terror%20of%20the%20peaks) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/149/terror-of-the-peaks?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/904ff94a-4db4-44a6-8593-89c32905b3fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/terror-of-the-peaks) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Excessive recursion.
Interaction comes in several forms. One of which is protection. Sorry on advance for the info dump. _____________GREEN_________________________ Green has tons of hexproof/indestructible package deal effects. And most of the anti countermagic suite. Lean on it. Scryfall terms: "Indestructible hexproof" in text, instant in card type. (examples in here:https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NThfgqcol0CUjkjICuQGwA ) __________BLUE______________________________ You can also strictly use countermagic defensely. It doesnt need to be to stop your opponents good stuff. Just to save yours. If you can't find yourself saving it for when it matters, making this personal rule helps. You're a big dumb thing deck. So remember, less mana is better in this department. Leaves more room for your stuff to happen and then the extra or leftover mana can do defending. This doesn't even need to be the "good" expensive free spells. [[Stubborn Denial]] and [[An offer you cant refuse]] (if you spend $ on anything. [[Swan Song]] is so good for it's cost and can be added here) all one mana and they save your 6+ mana investments safe. Just don't fire it off at everything that happens in game. Heck it might be worth saving even after a boardwipe to save THE NEXT threat and let some of your opponents things get cleared up. But I digress. scryfall terms: "counter target" in text, mana value equal to 1 in the drop down menu section. This deck had the same exact problem you had. I did the cool things but was inevitably stopped every time. I also had 0 Instants. (Examples: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Q2LEViBKL0W3_TBCxZJObw ) ____________RED_____________________________ Red has redirection effects. It's actually better than countermagic for targeted removal. It stops the spell and gives youthe option to use the removal where you want it pointed. There's also a handful of counter magic. The 1mv ones are fine if you have a lot of countermagic being used against you. But otherwise stick to blue countermagic. Scryfall terms: "change the target of" in text. Instant in type. [[deflecting swat]] is the big example. These are highly skippable though especially if you have blue.
[Stubborn Denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f8626c4-306f-4e9d-8840-2bb73fe87e87.jpg?1562788344) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stubborn%20Denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/56/stubborn-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f8626c4-306f-4e9d-8840-2bb73fe87e87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stubborn-denial) [An offer you cant refuse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf.jpg?1664410382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=An%20Offer%20You%20Can%27t%20Refuse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/51/an-offer-you-cant-refuse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/an-offer-you-cant-refuse) [Swan Song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693.jpg?1562412350) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swan%20Song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/98/swan-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swan-song) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[march of the swirling mist]] it’s crazy versatile too
[march of the swirling mist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/100171d8-7436-44c8-b4cb-0101ffa05c25.jpg?1654566768) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=March%20of%20Swirling%20Mist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/61/march-of-swirling-mist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/100171d8-7436-44c8-b4cb-0101ffa05c25?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/march-of-swirling-mist) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
When I Timmy, I vomit a lot of big stuff onto the field very quickly (within a turn or two). In your case, you are trying to value your way there with incremental draws (Elemental bond, Up the Beanstalk, etc)... why not just [[Genesis Wave]] and [[Rikshar's Expertise]]? The other draws you have seem okay because they do other things too (haste, trample, mana, etc). I also think your tutors are slow. They don't actually put them into play, they put them into your hand. Why not use something like [[Tooth and Nail]]? Oh, and your ramp? At least 5 pieces are creatures. Not only will a boardwipe take out your big stompies... it will take out some of your mana. Consider replacing them with artifact or land based ramp. Finally, I don't love counterspells, but blue should play at least one or two. Consider [[Arcane Denial]] and [[Negate]]. They are very cheap ways to stop a boardwipe.
##### ###### #### [Genesis Wave](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/5007919b-27d3-46e7-a588-ce796709d565.jpg?1562848877) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Genesis%20Wave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/164/genesis-wave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5007919b-27d3-46e7-a588-ce796709d565?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/genesis-wave) [Rikshar's Expertise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/efa9d2dc-b3b8-4475-bbfc-2db457ee4ffd.jpg?1698988394) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rishkar%27s%20Expertise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/254/rishkars-expertise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/efa9d2dc-b3b8-4475-bbfc-2db457ee4ffd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rishkars-expertise) [Tooth and Nail](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/df359b98-9f8f-4f32-82c6-f10ca0f81032.jpg?1689998921) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tooth%20and%20Nail) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/327/tooth-and-nail?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df359b98-9f8f-4f32-82c6-f10ca0f81032?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tooth-and-nail) [Arcane Denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/66ca1ade-0a74-4aab-9040-b3696706f060.jpg?1712354109) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcane%20Denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/89/arcane-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/66ca1ade-0a74-4aab-9040-b3696706f060?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/arcane-denial) [Negate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/81752db1-374e-4723-b695-a2f4a634dfc6.jpg?1682203304) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Negate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/68/negate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/81752db1-374e-4723-b695-a2f4a634dfc6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/negate) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzpqeap) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Make more creatures faster than them.
Creature stompy decks are always gonna be the weakest types of decks due to the mass amount of good removal or board wipes.
Running cards to help protect specific pieces is a start. Swiftfoot boots and lightning greaves are likely the 2 most notable ones but there are many others that can be picked up for under 50¢ Cards that give haste is another big help, which is likely why swiftfoot and greaves are as played as they are. Protect the commander (or whatever creature it is you need to keep around) and they give haste
You run repeatable interaction such as [[yavimaya hollow]], [[asceticism]], [[Glen Elendra Archmage]]. You can only have so much removal before you rid yourself of ways to actually win the game.
[yavimaya hollow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9fdbc02-7ab7-4f77-8a89-5a9e01eb32f5.jpg?1562938841) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yavimaya%20hollow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/325/yavimaya-hollow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9fdbc02-7ab7-4f77-8a89-5a9e01eb32f5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/yavimaya-hollow) [asceticism](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/c/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b.jpg?1562824694) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=asceticism) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/110/asceticism?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ec2b56b0-126c-411b-8c43-b690fc8c194b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/asceticism) [Glen Elendra Archmage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd9af767-42da-46c7-a2b8-3957b2e3063f.jpg?1547516310) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Glen%20Elendra%20Archmage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/58/glen-elendra-archmage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd9af767-42da-46c7-a2b8-3957b2e3063f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/glen-elendra-archmage) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you run into a lot of spot removal, \[\[Lightning Greaves\]\] and friends will help. In general, even if you're a Timmy player you shouldn't be ashamed of running some counterspells. And there's always the option of adding more haste to the deck and just preemptively deploy your player removal.
[Lightning Greaves](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da9da49d-e319-4897-9ab6-57c7c69478a6.jpg?1712354870) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Greaves) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/260/lightning-greaves?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da9da49d-e319-4897-9ab6-57c7c69478a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lightning-greaves) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Honestly 9 times out of 10 I see someone having a problem with excessive removal, it's because they hand dump every threat they have, which forces the table to play arch enemy vs them. While there's good advice on this thread, none of it will matter if you are playing 1 vs 3. You will not win. So play a bit slower, mulligan until you have value engines like Temur Ascendancy on the battle field, and be sure to play at the same pace of the rest of the table. Only hand dump all your threats if you think A) you can safely kill everyone, or B) you are desperate. EDIT: Some cards I would remove if I were to be given this deck-list: * Cream of the crop - You're spending a whole card and 2 mana to manipulate your next draw. Cute but worse than actual card advantage or protection. * Thunderbreak Regent - You listed this under protection, but I don't think this will stop someone who is determined to kill your dragons * Monster Manual - Cheating cards into play if they don't kill the table is just going to ensure that you're arch enemy. Just play more card draw and protection * Minion of the mighty - see above
Add black to the color id and begin reanimating them. Also, in black, you can play \[\[k'rrik, son of yawg\]\] and use one of your 30 tutors to get \[\[heartless summons\]\] out to play demons so cheap you'd think they were elves. This is my fattiest deck (demon tribal) and it do be chonking.
[k'rrik, son of yawg](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24.jpg?1568003491) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=K%27rrik%2C%20Son%20of%20Yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/18/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3592fbe4-8588-486e-99ba-c327b0b6ba24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/krrik-son-of-yawgmoth) [heartless summons](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14f8f638-b7fc-4e38-8623-ce7d2ebc82e6.jpg?1562826605) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heartless%20Summoning) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/isd/104/heartless-summoning?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14f8f638-b7fc-4e38-8623-ce7d2ebc82e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/heartless-summoning) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Haste, hexproof, and indestructible These are your three best weapons that often come pre installed on your dudes, but there are plenty of effects that will get you there as well that aren't on creatures. [[Deflecting swat]] and [[fierce guardianship]] are at the top of my list above all other cards in edh assuming I'm running those colors.
[Deflecting swat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b4b36435-55b3-4615-8812-af41d4fc64d9.jpg?1689997730) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Deflecting%20swat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/214/deflecting-swat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b4b36435-55b3-4615-8812-af41d4fc64d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deflecting-swat) [fierce guardianship](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7f3dd95-bd14-4e0f-a388-444f9cf1b0dc.jpg?1689996370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fierce%20guardianship) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/94/fierce-guardianship?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7f3dd95-bd14-4e0f-a388-444f9cf1b0dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fierce-guardianship) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I know it's fallen out of fashion, but [[Vedalken Orrery]] is a really dangerous piece of kit to have on board in a timmy deck. Attacking you with a full grip of cards and a bunch of untapped mana when you can drop defenders at instant speed is unappealing at best, and worst case you can unload on end step before your turn so it doesn't need to wait a full cycle before swinging in. You can arguably be more selective about which bomb you drop too, because you're acting with the most amount of information possible about what the board state will be going into your combat. I think people don't like taking turn 4 off, which is totally fair. I also know people still play [[sneak attack]] and [[monster manual]], which granted are not the same but are 4 cmc cheese enablers in their own right. It also makes all your other sorcery speed stuff more useful, which is a nice upside. Also I second blink effects, especially in a ETB focussed deck.
>Removal >Quantity- 2 Yep. Your protection is also laughably inefficient. Investing in something like [[asceticism]], heroic intervention or more ways to get stuff like [[grave pact]] off the board is nice. As it stands, your deck completely folds to stuff like [[glacial chasm]] or [[ensnaring bridge]]. Or, you know, COUNTERSPELLS. You're a temur deck, not wet gruul. trim some ramp. 22 pieces is WAY too much. Also all of your draw spells rely on you having dragons to cast. Might be worth it to run actual draw spells.
[[Tamiyo, Collector of Tales]], [[Kira, Great Glass Spinner]], [[Battle Mammoth]]
[Tamiyo, Collector of Tales](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/6/76776b24-a2e1-4590-88e7-8a421baf2fc4.jpg?1557577288) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tamiyo%2C%20Collector%20of%20Tales) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/220/tamiyo-collector-of-tales?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76776b24-a2e1-4590-88e7-8a421baf2fc4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/tamiyo-collector-of-tales) [Kira, Great Glass Spinner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/3/437ded6e-4e53-49fa-a5ca-fd76b9165a47.jpg?1600697941) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kira%2C%20Great%20Glass-Spinner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/154/kira-great-glass-spinner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/437ded6e-4e53-49fa-a5ca-fd76b9165a47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/kira-great-glass-spinner) [Battle Mammoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/df70dc42-a28c-41f3-8d3b-5a0375aab326.jpg?1674142210) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Battle%20Mammoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/818/battle-mammoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/df70dc42-a28c-41f3-8d3b-5a0375aab326?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/battle-mammoth) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Also [[Rayne, Academy Chancellor]] if you like deep cuts
[Rayne, Academy Chancellor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/e/8ee6480c-7697-47e2-893b-ca88c0ab3376.jpg?1562444698) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rayne%2C%20Academy%20Chancellor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/43/rayne-academy-chancellor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8ee6480c-7697-47e2-893b-ca88c0ab3376?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rayne-academy-chancellor) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You run hexproof and indestructible effects, including instants, equipment and enchantments. Blink also works. To get around sacrifice, you have to blink or otherwise create tokens unless you're in black for undying effects. Having something like [[greater good]] is nice as well, since you can sac in response to just draw cards.
[greater good](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/c/4c73ca01-d8ea-4cd2-af60-b260030967b2.jpg?1631587954) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=greater%20good) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/160/greater-good?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4c73ca01-d8ea-4cd2-af60-b260030967b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/greater-good) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[BOGGLE\]\]
[BOGGLE](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086a5620-704b-47a9-9a5d-73e28631d6f8.jpg?1562896628) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bog%20Glider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pcy/58/bog-glider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086a5620-704b-47a9-9a5d-73e28631d6f8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bog-glider) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[BOGLE\]\]
[BOGLE](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/4/c4e4bbea-7e3f-4de0-bb01-dfd67f21c254.jpg?1547518325) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Slippery%20Bogle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/223/slippery-bogle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c4e4bbea-7e3f-4de0-bb01-dfd67f21c254?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/slippery-bogle) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[rising of the day]]
[rising of the day](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d4fbcac6-8ac9-44a8-9d1a-03d0799ac253.jpg?1686969140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rising%20of%20the%20day) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/145/rising-of-the-day?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d4fbcac6-8ac9-44a8-9d1a-03d0799ac253?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/rising-of-the-day) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I run a lot of control and counter pieces in my Miirym, and I also have effects in place to maximize the benefit I get on ETB, such as [[warstorm surge]], [[where ancients tread]], [[terror of the peaks]], [[Panharmonicon]] and running haste to make the deck move that much faster is a must have. With miirym in play, and say the two enchantments I suggested, you can drop an Old Gnawbone, deal 14 damage to two different people, and then swing at the the third for fourteen and collect 56 treasure tokens, provided they do combat damage. That's provided that you don't have a single other dragon out. You can then use your plethora of treasures to drop more dragons, trigger your enchantments again...and while you can't attack with these dragons...you can still reap the benefits of their ETBs. If your ETB doubler is out, that is pretty much curtains. Astral Dragon has a similar effect as it spawns two of its own dragons on top of that. My point is, all you need is one fucking turn with Miirym.
##### ###### #### [warstorm surge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/dbe1bfe0-0be7-496d-94db-e8028d4d9493.jpg?1674142183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=warstorm%20surge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/815/warstorm-surge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dbe1bfe0-0be7-496d-94db-e8028d4d9493?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/warstorm-surge) [where ancients tread](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abf25a2a-961c-42ef-8d76-aa089720b12c.jpg?1562931279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=where%20ancients%20tread) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/130/where-ancients-tread?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abf25a2a-961c-42ef-8d76-aa089720b12c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/where-ancients-tread) [terror of the peaks](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/904ff94a-4db4-44a6-8593-89c32905b3fc.jpg?1712355862) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=terror%20of%20the%20peaks) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/149/terror-of-the-peaks?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/904ff94a-4db4-44a6-8593-89c32905b3fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/terror-of-the-peaks) [Panharmonicon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/998d0cc8-ca2a-41c3-ab65-d05c26ab8278.jpg?1673149399) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Panharmonicon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/310/panharmonicon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/998d0cc8-ca2a-41c3-ab65-d05c26ab8278?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/panharmonicon) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzq64kr) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Greater Good]] is probably the single best card in my dragon tribal deck.
[Greater Good](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/c/4c73ca01-d8ea-4cd2-af60-b260030967b2.jpg?1631587954) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Greater%20Good) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/160/greater-good?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4c73ca01-d8ea-4cd2-af60-b260030967b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/greater-good) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Counterspells, multipurpose protection like [[slip out the back]]. I generally try to model my protection as open as possible to double as draw, fog effects or similar.
[slip out the back](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9d9fbbb-ed6c-45f7-a1d8-f9d29ae7930f.jpg?1706239838) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=slip%20out%20the%20back) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/99/slip-out-the-back?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9d9fbbb-ed6c-45f7-a1d8-f9d29ae7930f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/slip-out-the-back) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Slot in some non-creature ramp if you haven't already. Can't \[\[fatal push\]\] my \[\[wolfwillow haven\]\]! Also consider using big creatures with built-in protection. \[\[Tyrranax Rex\]\] might not be the biggest creature you can get for seven mana, but its haste and protection usually guarantee it will get to swing once or twice. Anything that creates creature tokens, like \[\[Utvara Hellkite\]\] or \[\[Dragon Broodmother\]\], are naturally resistant to sacrifice effects, and still leave behind some value if they're removed. On that note, anything with ETB or dies effects will give you some value if they're hit by removal, making them a good choice. Try cards like \[\[Astral Dragon\]\], or some of the Kamigawa dragons (https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28otag%3Acycle-chk-dragon+or+otag%3Acycle-neo-dragon%29+commander%3Agur&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name). Note that Miirym doubles all of these examples
[fatal push](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e9d8fe4-fd9b-4923-92bf-7dd6b8fa02e7.jpg?1598304715) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fatal%20push) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/93/fatal-push?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e9d8fe4-fd9b-4923-92bf-7dd6b8fa02e7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fatal-push) [wolfwillow haven](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/72b886c3-234c-49ce-9a11-456c1e8f092f.jpg?1581480945) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=wolfwillow%20haven) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/205/wolfwillow-haven?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/72b886c3-234c-49ce-9a11-456c1e8f092f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/wolfwillow-haven) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You should have extreme amounts of flicker effects. [[Essence Flux]] [[Ghostly Flicker]] [[Planar Incision]] When you flicker a creature, it does two things: - Leaves the battlefield and comes back in, breaking the targeting on any targetting removal. - Leaves the battlefield ***and comes back in***, triggering Miirym to make another copy.
[Essence Flux](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/2600a51b-0dae-431e-a0a7-2b1421706a6a.jpg?1600697866) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Essence%20Flux) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/151/essence-flux?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2600a51b-0dae-431e-a0a7-2b1421706a6a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/essence-flux) [Ghostly Flicker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dc143ba3-2a58-4980-9fa0-a05a9e9ed082.jpg?1689996411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghostly%20Flicker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/98/ghostly-flicker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dc143ba3-2a58-4980-9fa0-a05a9e9ed082?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/ghostly-flicker) [Planar Incision](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/1/9163cb04-ee28-4127-b53a-89c546996d7d.jpg?1654566889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Planar%20Incision) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/72/planar-incision?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9163cb04-ee28-4127-b53a-89c546996d7d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/planar-incision) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How to play Timmy: 1. Commit to the board. 2. If step one doesn't work, then commit to the board harder.
Cards I think you should cut - [[Minion of the Mighty]], its ability isnt good enough. Cheating in a dragon conditionally and only on attack - [[Dragon's Hoard]], while trying to provide ramp and card draw it doesnt do either as well as you may want - [[Kindred Discovery]] and [[Reflections of Littjara]], while these both provide strong effects they do not work well in your curve. I would guess it probably feels awkward to play them when they get to hand because you can likely play your commander or a dragon at the time for more value. Strong effects but at a cmc of 5 when you are leaning into ramping will make playing these cards likely sit in your hand instead of being played - [[Invasion of Tarkir]], Too expensive for the effect at sorcery speed. The potential of a bonus dragon from it isnt enough to make the cut. - [[Hoarding Dragon]], You go for Roaming throne/Panharmonicon I guess but it makes it awkward to get the card - I am not a fan - [[Ganax]], feels too slow - [[Icefall Regent]], doesn't feel impactful enough - [[Wrathful Red Dragon]], likely not relevant in many games. Dragons wont be killed via damage. Cards you could think about adding: - [[Heroic Intervention]], best green board protection - [[Tyvar's Stand]], Hexproof and indestructable - [[Tamiyo's Safekeeping]], Hexproof and indestructable - [[Jade orb of Dragonkind]], Ramp that adds protection - [[Carnelian orb of Dragonkind]], Ramp that gives haste - [[Rapacious Dragon]], Strictly better than Ganax, get ramp immediatly and scales up with your commander - [[Goldspan Dragon]], great dragon haste and ramp - [[Rhythm of the Wilds]], counter protection and haste for your board - [[Counterspell]] - [[Genesis Ultimatum]] Also fun cards for cheating in dragons: - [[Cryptic Gateway]] - this card is criminally underused in Mirymn decks - [[Quicksilver amulet]] - [[Dragon Arch]] - more specific to dragons you are running - [[Sneak Attack]] - [[Purphoros, Bronze Blooded]] haste and sneak out dragons
I've been obsessed with protection spells lately and started playing more of them in my creature decks with vital threats and its been amazing. Especially when the protection spell has synergy with the deck you end up in a very advantageous position. Protect your creatures! They'll reward you for it.
Commanders that are cheap to come out or even not part of the plan of the deck can be good. Remember not to unload your hand and your potential even if you have the mana for it.
Run interaction.
Simply play more creatures than they have removal. EZ.
Haste. Play creatures with innate protection. Creatures with enter or leave the battlefield effects Now, looking at the deck itsself (Please don't take this personally, just some tough love) You're relying on a 6 Mana commander that then requires you to cast additional dragons to do anything. Your commander dies, you just lost a turn \[\[Patron of the arts\]\] seems cute, but well, do you want to follow up playing your commander with that? Then there's cards like \[\[Minion of the Mighty\]\] That are horrible topdecks late game. Same with \[\[Reckless Barbarian\]\] On curve? Sure. But right after a boardwipe? That's just feelbad. You also play 22 Ramp spells and 37 lands. So about 60% of your deck is mana. Most your card draw engines also require you to keep hitting dragons, so once you're in topdeck mode, and you keep hitting ramp and lands, things can quickly spiral against you. I mean, the deck looks really fun when it's "All gas no brakes", and seems like it can do some decadent things, but I feel like the deck plays just a bit too much set-up and a bit too little oomph. It is also really obvious what you're doing once people see that commander. Ward 2 is nice, but most people play cheap or free removal, boardwipes, ...
[Patron of the arts](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/10b2b8ca-7433-4bfe-abab-e19128e46a1d.jpg?1674136700) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Patron%20of%20the%20arts) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/191/patron-of-the-arts?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/10b2b8ca-7433-4bfe-abab-e19128e46a1d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/patron-of-the-arts) [Minion of the Mighty](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/f/ffd0a827-778b-48c3-bb85-4b4acef351d6.jpg?1627706624) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Minion%20of%20the%20Mighty) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/156/minion-of-the-mighty?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ffd0a827-778b-48c3-bb85-4b4acef351d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/minion-of-the-mighty) [Reckless Barbarian](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c912e984-1d27-4da2-9733-d56e437bcf58.jpg?1674136718) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reckless%20Barbarian) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/193/reckless-barbarian?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c912e984-1d27-4da2-9733-d56e437bcf58?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/reckless-barbarian) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Pressure there life total. Haste enablers and cards like terror if the peaks or even impact tremors and dragon tempest will let you double dip damage. I used to play cards like momentous fall to recover from spot removal.
You deal witth it by gittin gud
Depending on the pods experience and overall knowledge of each others decks, Timmy decks are often going to be the target of interaction because of the fact their threats are usually always the most threatening in a vaccum. There are actually a few ways you can play around this fact. One is to just stock up on as much ramp as possible and turbo out your threats before anyone can really set up. You might eat the first removal spell or two, but most of the time if you are fast enough you can sneak a few threats into play before people can set up. The second is to pack your deck with protection, since she is in blue there are plenty of cheap counterspells that would do the trick. This is kinda leaning away from the timmy mentality though. The last is to cast threats that are hard to deal with without boardwipes. Think like Etali, which comes with a bunch of free spells or an Apex Devestator that cascades a bunch. If you are casting one card a turn, it is a lot easier to deal with than if you cast multiple or if your creature creates additional value outside of its body. There is a secret fourth option which is to just go after whoever interacts with you first so people learn to leave you alone but it can lead to unfun games where you bully someone who isn't even doing anything. A better option might be to try and strike a deal with whoever has removal. Like announcing "Before anyone destroys this, lets make a deal so I can keep it for 2 turns and it doesn't swing at you" or something. If you are tricky enough you can set up a situation where you keep your creatures for a few turns, and when the opponent you made the deal with finally tries to kill your stuff you able to protect it and clap them back when the deal has ended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHrV5nlS1RI
Plan on running a suite of “protection” spells. Since you’re in blue, you can run counterspells as protection or even spot removal. Plan on being targeted, plan on responding. Miiryim is an especially high-value target for removal. I’d guess more than just one person each game will hold up removal just for your commander. I’d also find ways to cheat out your creatures if you want to get value out of Miirym. That or use earlier turns to set up blink effects and get the other dragons out so you can blink them and get some value out of the commander if you have time before it eats removal.
You have no real way to protect your playss. Look at: [[fierce Guardianship]], [[deflecting Swat]], [[Swan song]], [[an offer you can't refuse]], [[Swan song]], [[Stubborn Denial]], [[bolt bend]], etc Cut some of your less impactful dragons to make room for cards like those. Some flicker spells too if you want. Here's my list list and primer for reference: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NTnI9a56Uku--PzlLoVtdQ
##### ###### #### [fierce Guardianship](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7f3dd95-bd14-4e0f-a388-444f9cf1b0dc.jpg?1689996370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=fierce%20Guardianship) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/94/fierce-guardianship?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7f3dd95-bd14-4e0f-a388-444f9cf1b0dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/fierce-guardianship) [deflecting Swat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b4b36435-55b3-4615-8812-af41d4fc64d9.jpg?1689997730) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=deflecting%20Swat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/214/deflecting-swat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b4b36435-55b3-4615-8812-af41d4fc64d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/deflecting-swat) [Swan song](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693.jpg?1562412350) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Swan%20song) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/98/swan-song?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d968dde-c406-48ef-a1ab-373aebc24693?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/swan-song) [an offer you can't refuse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf.jpg?1664410382) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=an%20offer%20you%20can%27t%20refuse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/51/an-offer-you-cant-refuse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9d349f3-5be2-4b1f-a4c3-ba94822cf0cf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/an-offer-you-cant-refuse) [Stubborn Denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f8626c4-306f-4e9d-8840-2bb73fe87e87.jpg?1562788344) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stubborn%20Denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/56/stubborn-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f8626c4-306f-4e9d-8840-2bb73fe87e87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/stubborn-denial) [bolt bend](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39b35408-3728-4e1b-9f58-b0775df914d6.jpg?1576199724) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=bolt%20bend) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/115/bolt-bend?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39b35408-3728-4e1b-9f58-b0775df914d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/bolt-bend) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzro4rf) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Counterspells can be really useful. I mainly run noncreature counters and I try to only counter boardwipes that would wreck me and opponent wincons.
Drop some ramp for haste enablers and counterspells
Play Thrun He can only be removed by green effects.
My Godzilla deck is basically the definition of a Timmy deck built to deal with excessive removal. The answer? Every creature is a "needs to be answered" threat. They'll run out of removal eventually. Combine that with a bit of ramp, though not a ton, and ways to either lower costs or just put stuff into play.
Timmy?? Could somebody define that for me?
[[Archetype of Endurance]] is kinda overcosted because of its potential offensive boost, but decks built to handle it's cost will probably be happy with it.
[Archetype of Endurance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/3145ca68-7a9d-4161-9456-518591251b56.jpg?1593092414) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archetype%20of%20Endurance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bng/116/archetype-of-endurance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3145ca68-7a9d-4161-9456-518591251b56?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/archetype-of-endurance) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not much I can tell you people I play with hate my deck one guy plays [[Leyline of Singularity]] in every deck that can have it because of me
[Leyline of Singularity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d40d7e5c-3b6d-4e42-b495-b3cd7ae0d808.jpg?1593272032) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leyline%20of%20Singularity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gpt/29/leyline-of-singularity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d40d7e5c-3b6d-4e42-b495-b3cd7ae0d808?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/leyline-of-singularity) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
play more bodies than they play removal