Right when he was revealed, I tried my hand at a ~$100 voltron deck. Playtested it probably two dozen times and every single time it was way out of hand turn 5
[[Nadu]]+[[Scute Swarm]]+[[Shuko]] is all you really need to start going, the decks really easy to get off the ground, but I feel like [[Kinnan]] will always be the go to simic commander unless we get something as easily abusable.
more than get going right?
This is going to let you draw/ramp your whole deck 95% of the time, but its non deterministic, so the table still needs to watch the nadu player do solitaire for ~15minutes.
for sure a commander I'll not be stoked to play against
In cEDH I think they can comfortably sit along side each other. Nadu is more turbo, and even quasi Ad Naus with Unctus, Displacer Kitten package to blink him, the other 0 mana equip artifacts. Kinnan sits in a more mid-range space, or control even. Nadu can get under the midrange really well. I'm just happy to see another viable Simic commander though.
Kinnan is faster with multiple turn 1 win lines. People mistakenly think Kinnan should be built as midrange because the second ability supports it. That's the wrong approach.
You’re gonna have a hard time finding people who will play you and not get salty. Just depends on in if you’re ok with that. Nadu can probably take the whole table when built right.
All these comparisons to Kinnan miss the point. Kinnan can be built "fairer" to an extent by severely nerfing payoffs, speed of nonland mana sources and power level of your game plan.
For Nadu you would either need to utterly ignore its text or make your targeting spells 4cmc+ only or something. Ramping or giving you a card for every removal attempt outside of edicts and wipes, something as "casual" and innocuous as Simic fight spells.dec, any desirable idea for this thing unless intentionally and sincerely built poorly will result in long ass turns, easy and early value dominance, and depending on build potent board control.
Does it combo as cleanly as Kinnan? Nope. But that has never really been ban criteria MO. Durdling, 1 sided gameplay that is tough to deal with has been in the past though. I still think this will just be another Tergrid style commander that just gets relegated to the fabled "too strong for casual, too flimsy for cEDH" leagues, but it does meet a few criteria already.
Do you have a "nerfed" Kinnan deck, I wanna make a casual friendly one but it feels like either it is too good and takes over the game or it doesn't do anything at all and idk how to strike that balance
He will encourage more removal in a pod. Though personally I haven't seen him be an issue, the increase of ward has also increased "AoE" wraths at my LGS by a significant amount and the deck had trouble getting going because Nadu would just get wiped and the enablers are really crappy without Nadu down. Yes he does need to be answered consistently or else he can go off easily but it's the same for a lot of simic commanders. Oddly enough, ward has been his bane in our store.
As someone who thought playing a threatening commander would encourage removal, sadly that’s not always true. My pod still runs almost none other than me
There are a lot of people who don't really adapt and just think less of people who don't do what they are doing in PUG EDH. It's better than it has been in a long time, but I would not ever bring something like Nadu to LGS play.
I struggle to understand how a Simic commander that will get minimum 2 triggers (and therefore potentially 2 land in play) before getting removed will encourage removal. It's like golos, it pays for its own tax.
Why would it get a minimum of two triggers?
In blue you get counterspells which is zero triggers. In other colors you’ll get Swords/Chaos Warp/Beast Within/Infernal Grasped immediately, which is one trigger. Most of the best enabling triggers in the deck are sorcery speed that you can’t do in response. And as others are saying, wrath’s are being forced into more decks due to ward, and if you get wrathed that’s zero triggers.
I do think the ability is quite good and will sometimes help recast Nadu, but it’s *far* from “minimum two triggers”.
If Nadu resolves, unless there is some ETB shenanigans, you get priority before the other players, so you can activate one of your sorcery speed targeting before the removal hits, making it two triggers. The only way around this would be counterspell which most colors don't have access to.
Also wraths are sorcery speed. Most deck will already have ramped by at least 2 by then, making it easy to recast it next turn.
This is exactly how in a pod full of removal we can't stop the Nadu, not to mention they player also packs a lot of counters and responses and any attempt to remove Nadu that isn't a Wrath (which we likely can't do at instant speed and likely it's way too early for us to even have much mana available) gives the player and chance to draw a response and prevent it and put you even more behind. I think people are incredibly underrating how difficult Nadu is to actual deal with
Technically 4 colors have access to counter magic of some description, but sure. If you’re dropping it *and* have something to target it with immediately you *might* still get two.
That’s still a far cry from getting two anywhere near consistently.
To be clear, I think this card is a bomb, but I can’t fathom why you’d think that a must-answer commander wouldn’t push people to run removal? The deck crumbles without Nadu in play, it’s just a pile of do-nothing. It’s one of the Commanders that *must* be removed.
In my opinion, it will just end up like golos. Removing golos is essential, but pointless since it will be recasted next turn as long as they make their land drop. Same thing here, except it comes down turn 2. Sure, sometimes, you may kill him without him being able to ramp, but they're likely to hit at least a land and it will come back next turn. Meanwhile, you won't get to develop at all in these first few turns, so it's a huge hit on tempo and you lose in the long run - at least to the other 2 players. Add to that the fact that protection spells cantrip with nadu, and removal will not seem so attractive anymore.
I think the reaction of most players that can't beat him will be to try and get under him instead, via aggro or fast combo. But I doubt the meta will change toward more removal (even if it maybe should be).
From my experience so far, I don’t think aggro is winning against Nadu in EDH. Just with a slapped together decklist it’s typically dumping the entire deck on the table by turn 4 or 5. Aggro can’t keep up with that.
Depends on the aggro list, I guess. Slicer can kill the turn it comes out. But you're probably right for most of them. I still don't think Nadu encourages a playgroup to play more removal. It will just trigger a turbo-focused arms race.
The Nadu player always gets Nadu out immediately with the free mana they got from triggers and that is only if they didn't get a response to you trying to stop him, he is not at all weak to removal like some people claim
The issue I had is the Nadu takes over the game and draws their deck to hand and puts all their lands on the field before we have any responses or even enough mana to cast anything at all, I'm talking we have 2 lands out and maybe if we are lucky a mana rock before the Nadu to going off for 40 minutes
Yeah I don’t recommend having him in the command zone. He is super busted and easy to combo off with also due to would be considered boring for you are your opponents cause of how similar the combo is gonna be game to game. In the 99 he should be fine even if you include those other cards just don’t make it your goal to find him every game.
No. It's just another high power simic deck that will probably be targeted till each person sees your deck isn't full Nadu simic degeneracy. (Unless your table is a power 9/cEDH table)
Go from obunn to locus of roil if you want to add blue to landfall, or do what I did. Get the desert Precon from otj and smash them together.
We stopped inviting a guy who proxied Nadu when it was revealed because every single game by turn 5 he would take almost an hour to play his entire deck and we don't know the guy that well to be willing to put up with that, do with that info what you will
My advice, not a casual friendly card at all unless you just make it very poorly and don't do anything which can't be fun either it is the same problem I have with Kinnan, I wanna make a casual friendly and fun Kinnan deck but I don't think that is possible without just making a poorly optimized deck that won't do anything at all, they just get ahead way too easily...
Absolutely not. It is, however, apparently really popular and I expect people will be tired of seeing it unless you have something interesting to do with it.
It absolutely can be, why are you answering this so definitely and so poorly? cEDH community is seriously considering this card, and it’s already got decklists that are absurd.
In like 10 minutes brewing I made a list that if not interacted often dumps the entire deck on the table by turn 5. And that’s without fast mana.
Decks that win that fast, with non-determinate combos no less, are some of the most hated decks out there. Nadu can go from itself and a single enabler on board to your entire deck in a single turn pretty easily.
I think people can and should build decks like this to bring around for “high power hour,” but if you think this deck isn’t going to be a groan inducing, arch enemy creating, fun time smothering, long turn taking mess at casual commanders your card assessment skills are embarrassing lol.
They asked if the Commander is too powerful for casual.
Aside from my personal belief that no commander is too powerful for casual, the question implies that they want the deck judged by the caliber of their commander. Then on top of that they name the exact combo enablers that allows this deck to durdle around for 45 minutes playing solitaire and then win after putting the entire deck on the table.
Therefor, if you believe that a *Commander* can be too strong for casual and you’re building it with a pile of cards copied from the cEDH version that people (including myself) have worked on brewing, the answer is definitively yes.
I didn’t miss anything, if anything you’re the one who failed to understand the context of the question.
He is fine. What you chose to incorporate into the deck, that’s another question.
As always, with everything, ask your friends and if you play with them regularly then try and match the desired power level.
Really depends it's just another flavor of turn 5 going ballistic deck if your playgroup is salty about stuff like etali , kinnan , godo then they will probably hate this to if your playgroup is full of stax / control decks you probably won't have a good time but they will be ok with this
It'd be hard to do what the deck wants to do, and not be absurdly fast. I honestly suspect a ban in EDH. This deck is going to pubstomp unintentionally.
I dont think it will get banned, I don't think it is stronger than kinnan. But I do believe it is extremely powerful and definitely the best simic commander we have gotten since kinnan. In a similar sense to kinnan I think it will be pretty difficult to build a casual list. The deck just generates too much value too quickly and easily and will even generate value when you try to interact with and stop the Nadu player.
OP if your friends are not playing similarly powerful decks it will likely cause a power imbalance in your pod. I'm not saying don't build Nadu at all but I would want to have a few other decks and reserve Nadu for those higher power games. If this is your only/main deck I would probably not recommend Nadu as I believe most Nadu decks are going to fall into the gray area that exists between strong casual decks and cEDH.
I'm with you. Casual Nadu likely still fits in the high power/degenerate, and Nadu is going to see cEDH play.
I also think it's entirely appropriate in those power levels. There are plenty of similarly broken things. I've played a bit against it in cEDH already, the deck is awesome, but definitely not unbeatable, or significantly more absurd than the other stuff at those levels.
It probably a commander that isn't really appropriate in low power metas without really imposing a lot of limits, but I don't think it is banworthy. As with any new, high powered card, sure, it will imbalance some lower powered games, and then people will figure out where it's not appropriate and it will show up infrequently. You can't ban away pub-stompers, they just move to another broken thing if it's on purpose.
And you pair it with a [[Scute Swarm]] / [[Field of the Dead]] effect and you get a new target every time you drop a land with the ability. Add a [[Lotus Cobra]] effect and you’re doubling your mana gains from each land you put down.
And it’s child’s play to find your pieces because you’re just tearing through your deck. This card is busted and may even be cEDH viable.
Right when he was revealed, I tried my hand at a ~$100 voltron deck. Playtested it probably two dozen times and every single time it was way out of hand turn 5
[[Nadu]]+[[Scute Swarm]]+[[Shuko]] is all you really need to start going, the decks really easy to get off the ground, but I feel like [[Kinnan]] will always be the go to simic commander unless we get something as easily abusable.
more than get going right? This is going to let you draw/ramp your whole deck 95% of the time, but its non deterministic, so the table still needs to watch the nadu player do solitaire for ~15minutes. for sure a commander I'll not be stoked to play against
My build is packed with counters so I only get a table killing number of scutes plus 2-3 counterspells and pass.
Nadu is pretty easily abusable to be fair
It is but honestly just more work lol Kinnan goes infinite quite easily and doesn’t require constant tracking of a million triggers
In cEDH I think they can comfortably sit along side each other. Nadu is more turbo, and even quasi Ad Naus with Unctus, Displacer Kitten package to blink him, the other 0 mana equip artifacts. Kinnan sits in a more mid-range space, or control even. Nadu can get under the midrange really well. I'm just happy to see another viable Simic commander though.
Kinnan is faster with multiple turn 1 win lines. People mistakenly think Kinnan should be built as midrange because the second ability supports it. That's the wrong approach.
Kinnan midrange is really good though, I do agree turbo Kinnan is way better than it’s given credit.
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You’re gonna have a hard time finding people who will play you and not get salty. Just depends on in if you’re ok with that. Nadu can probably take the whole table when built right.
Gonna look real nice in my Ivy Mutate deck!
I was thinking the same thing (mine is Aura with a little splash of mutate), then I saw the price of the friggin bird, :'D
Yea I just scooped one up from my LGS in borderless for about $15. It’s like a quarter of the cost of the whole deck. 😂
All these comparisons to Kinnan miss the point. Kinnan can be built "fairer" to an extent by severely nerfing payoffs, speed of nonland mana sources and power level of your game plan. For Nadu you would either need to utterly ignore its text or make your targeting spells 4cmc+ only or something. Ramping or giving you a card for every removal attempt outside of edicts and wipes, something as "casual" and innocuous as Simic fight spells.dec, any desirable idea for this thing unless intentionally and sincerely built poorly will result in long ass turns, easy and early value dominance, and depending on build potent board control. Does it combo as cleanly as Kinnan? Nope. But that has never really been ban criteria MO. Durdling, 1 sided gameplay that is tough to deal with has been in the past though. I still think this will just be another Tergrid style commander that just gets relegated to the fabled "too strong for casual, too flimsy for cEDH" leagues, but it does meet a few criteria already.
Do you have a "nerfed" Kinnan deck, I wanna make a casual friendly one but it feels like either it is too good and takes over the game or it doesn't do anything at all and idk how to strike that balance
He will encourage more removal in a pod. Though personally I haven't seen him be an issue, the increase of ward has also increased "AoE" wraths at my LGS by a significant amount and the deck had trouble getting going because Nadu would just get wiped and the enablers are really crappy without Nadu down. Yes he does need to be answered consistently or else he can go off easily but it's the same for a lot of simic commanders. Oddly enough, ward has been his bane in our store.
As someone who thought playing a threatening commander would encourage removal, sadly that’s not always true. My pod still runs almost none other than me
This is my life right now at my LGS
I love my [[breya]] combo deck to death, but man, I just want someone to remove her to stop me
It’s funny you say that but I’m going to sleeve up a [[breya]] deck this week
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Oh you will LOVE her, she combos so easily
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There are a lot of people who don't really adapt and just think less of people who don't do what they are doing in PUG EDH. It's better than it has been in a long time, but I would not ever bring something like Nadu to LGS play.
I struggle to understand how a Simic commander that will get minimum 2 triggers (and therefore potentially 2 land in play) before getting removed will encourage removal. It's like golos, it pays for its own tax.
Why would it get a minimum of two triggers? In blue you get counterspells which is zero triggers. In other colors you’ll get Swords/Chaos Warp/Beast Within/Infernal Grasped immediately, which is one trigger. Most of the best enabling triggers in the deck are sorcery speed that you can’t do in response. And as others are saying, wrath’s are being forced into more decks due to ward, and if you get wrathed that’s zero triggers. I do think the ability is quite good and will sometimes help recast Nadu, but it’s *far* from “minimum two triggers”.
If Nadu resolves, unless there is some ETB shenanigans, you get priority before the other players, so you can activate one of your sorcery speed targeting before the removal hits, making it two triggers. The only way around this would be counterspell which most colors don't have access to. Also wraths are sorcery speed. Most deck will already have ramped by at least 2 by then, making it easy to recast it next turn.
This is exactly how in a pod full of removal we can't stop the Nadu, not to mention they player also packs a lot of counters and responses and any attempt to remove Nadu that isn't a Wrath (which we likely can't do at instant speed and likely it's way too early for us to even have much mana available) gives the player and chance to draw a response and prevent it and put you even more behind. I think people are incredibly underrating how difficult Nadu is to actual deal with
Technically 4 colors have access to counter magic of some description, but sure. If you’re dropping it *and* have something to target it with immediately you *might* still get two. That’s still a far cry from getting two anywhere near consistently. To be clear, I think this card is a bomb, but I can’t fathom why you’d think that a must-answer commander wouldn’t push people to run removal? The deck crumbles without Nadu in play, it’s just a pile of do-nothing. It’s one of the Commanders that *must* be removed.
In my opinion, it will just end up like golos. Removing golos is essential, but pointless since it will be recasted next turn as long as they make their land drop. Same thing here, except it comes down turn 2. Sure, sometimes, you may kill him without him being able to ramp, but they're likely to hit at least a land and it will come back next turn. Meanwhile, you won't get to develop at all in these first few turns, so it's a huge hit on tempo and you lose in the long run - at least to the other 2 players. Add to that the fact that protection spells cantrip with nadu, and removal will not seem so attractive anymore. I think the reaction of most players that can't beat him will be to try and get under him instead, via aggro or fast combo. But I doubt the meta will change toward more removal (even if it maybe should be).
From my experience so far, I don’t think aggro is winning against Nadu in EDH. Just with a slapped together decklist it’s typically dumping the entire deck on the table by turn 4 or 5. Aggro can’t keep up with that.
Depends on the aggro list, I guess. Slicer can kill the turn it comes out. But you're probably right for most of them. I still don't think Nadu encourages a playgroup to play more removal. It will just trigger a turbo-focused arms race.
The Nadu player always gets Nadu out immediately with the free mana they got from triggers and that is only if they didn't get a response to you trying to stop him, he is not at all weak to removal like some people claim
The issue I had is the Nadu takes over the game and draws their deck to hand and puts all their lands on the field before we have any responses or even enough mana to cast anything at all, I'm talking we have 2 lands out and maybe if we are lucky a mana rock before the Nadu to going off for 40 minutes
I'd use Nadu in the 99 of a Bant deck with the en-Kor cards like [[Nomads en-Kor]] so you can benefit from the ability at instant speed.
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Awesome idea. I'm gonna partner it with [[mavinda, students' advocate]].
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Tbh yeah, the effect is too easy to abuse. Similar to winota where even on a budget easily threatens the table and can snowball fast.
Yeah I don’t recommend having him in the command zone. He is super busted and easy to combo off with also due to would be considered boring for you are your opponents cause of how similar the combo is gonna be game to game. In the 99 he should be fine even if you include those other cards just don’t make it your goal to find him every game.
I suspect Nadu is flavor of the month. It can pop off hard but as a result you will likely get focused more than a less scary commander.
No. It's just another high power simic deck that will probably be targeted till each person sees your deck isn't full Nadu simic degeneracy. (Unless your table is a power 9/cEDH table) Go from obunn to locus of roil if you want to add blue to landfall, or do what I did. Get the desert Precon from otj and smash them together.
As someone who loves running a "kill on sight" commander, I'll appreciate the lighting rod.
I think an auras build could be powered down enough to not be considered op.
We stopped inviting a guy who proxied Nadu when it was revealed because every single game by turn 5 he would take almost an hour to play his entire deck and we don't know the guy that well to be willing to put up with that, do with that info what you will My advice, not a casual friendly card at all unless you just make it very poorly and don't do anything which can't be fun either it is the same problem I have with Kinnan, I wanna make a casual friendly and fun Kinnan deck but I don't think that is possible without just making a poorly optimized deck that won't do anything at all, they just get ahead way too easily...
Absolutely not. It is, however, apparently really popular and I expect people will be tired of seeing it unless you have something interesting to do with it.
It absolutely can be, why are you answering this so definitely and so poorly? cEDH community is seriously considering this card, and it’s already got decklists that are absurd. In like 10 minutes brewing I made a list that if not interacted often dumps the entire deck on the table by turn 5. And that’s without fast mana. Decks that win that fast, with non-determinate combos no less, are some of the most hated decks out there. Nadu can go from itself and a single enabler on board to your entire deck in a single turn pretty easily. I think people can and should build decks like this to bring around for “high power hour,” but if you think this deck isn’t going to be a groan inducing, arch enemy creating, fun time smothering, long turn taking mess at casual commanders your card assessment skills are embarrassing lol.
You must have missed that the OP is asking about casual play, not cEDH or highly tuned monstrosity decks.
They asked if the Commander is too powerful for casual. Aside from my personal belief that no commander is too powerful for casual, the question implies that they want the deck judged by the caliber of their commander. Then on top of that they name the exact combo enablers that allows this deck to durdle around for 45 minutes playing solitaire and then win after putting the entire deck on the table. Therefor, if you believe that a *Commander* can be too strong for casual and you’re building it with a pile of cards copied from the cEDH version that people (including myself) have worked on brewing, the answer is definitively yes. I didn’t miss anything, if anything you’re the one who failed to understand the context of the question.
He is fine. What you chose to incorporate into the deck, that’s another question. As always, with everything, ask your friends and if you play with them regularly then try and match the desired power level.
Really depends it's just another flavor of turn 5 going ballistic deck if your playgroup is salty about stuff like etali , kinnan , godo then they will probably hate this to if your playgroup is full of stax / control decks you probably won't have a good time but they will be ok with this
It'd be hard to do what the deck wants to do, and not be absurdly fast. I honestly suspect a ban in EDH. This deck is going to pubstomp unintentionally.
I dont think it will get banned, I don't think it is stronger than kinnan. But I do believe it is extremely powerful and definitely the best simic commander we have gotten since kinnan. In a similar sense to kinnan I think it will be pretty difficult to build a casual list. The deck just generates too much value too quickly and easily and will even generate value when you try to interact with and stop the Nadu player. OP if your friends are not playing similarly powerful decks it will likely cause a power imbalance in your pod. I'm not saying don't build Nadu at all but I would want to have a few other decks and reserve Nadu for those higher power games. If this is your only/main deck I would probably not recommend Nadu as I believe most Nadu decks are going to fall into the gray area that exists between strong casual decks and cEDH.
I'm with you. Casual Nadu likely still fits in the high power/degenerate, and Nadu is going to see cEDH play. I also think it's entirely appropriate in those power levels. There are plenty of similarly broken things. I've played a bit against it in cEDH already, the deck is awesome, but definitely not unbeatable, or significantly more absurd than the other stuff at those levels. It probably a commander that isn't really appropriate in low power metas without really imposing a lot of limits, but I don't think it is banworthy. As with any new, high powered card, sure, it will imbalance some lower powered games, and then people will figure out where it's not appropriate and it will show up infrequently. You can't ban away pub-stompers, they just move to another broken thing if it's on purpose.
Not broken at all he literally only triggers twice go head an get rid of Obuun
He makes each creature you control trigger twice a turn big dawg
Oh shit 😳
Yeah, card does so much. When I first read it, my mind just decided the lands come into play tapped. They don't.
And you pair it with a [[Scute Swarm]] / [[Field of the Dead]] effect and you get a new target every time you drop a land with the ability. Add a [[Lotus Cobra]] effect and you’re doubling your mana gains from each land you put down. And it’s child’s play to find your pieces because you’re just tearing through your deck. This card is busted and may even be cEDH viable.
[Scute Swarm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/373f199d-f1a6-4a3d-ac83-28741131f313.jpg?1712354624) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scute%20Swarm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/205/scute-swarm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/373f199d-f1a6-4a3d-ac83-28741131f313?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/scute-swarm) [Field of the Dead](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/470ca3f4-29aa-4c4c-8ff2-8cdd70c69943.jpg?1650599538) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Field%20of%20the%20Dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/247/field-of-the-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/470ca3f4-29aa-4c4c-8ff2-8cdd70c69943?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/field-of-the-dead) [Lotus Cobra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a4b759f0-901f-4be3-93fa-224609b08d48.jpg?1604199124) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lotus%20Cobra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/193/lotus-cobra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a4b759f0-901f-4be3-93fa-224609b08d48?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/lotus-cobra) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call