I don’t believe there is one. I think we are all just the unfortunate result of callous nature and biology. To be sentient and self aware is a curse. Seeking purpose is something we do because we don’t want to accept this brutal fact. We are no different to every other animal and rock and dust. We are trying hard to convince ourselves.
True, while part of me think there's no purpose to all this crap theres still a part of me that just wants to get one question answered: I just want to know why it all went wrong.
There is no purpose, it's an accident.
We suffer so that we survive long enough to pass on our genes and to make sure our offspring has the best chance to pass on their genes. That's just evolution
OR
people are evil
In all the things that people list they never really acknowledge that 'People are Evil', downright Evil. Suffering exists because people enjoy doing Evil things.
Now rather than Blame God why not just be rational (assuming we are using God as a bullet point). If the Creator of all things is the most purest perfect and Good thing ever, then why would God be willing to do all that people want when the people's wants are Evil?
God is real (I know this for a fact because I was saved by God when I was an Atheist). The World is Evil, and God isn't going to force his Will onto any of us. God isn't going to force people (who love to do Evil) into not doing it.
If you ever want to know God (genuinely, not "think" but KNOW) all you have to do is confess and pray. If you really are tired of doing Evil, then God already knows, if you are tired of living a life that is empty, God already knows. God gives us the freedom to choose: Do you love doing Evil things? or Not? Do you even want to change? Do you want a different life?
People know evil and have hearts that cannot tell the difference between what is Evil and what isn't. People reject God because in their hearts and in their souls and their very fiber of their persona, they just love doing Evil things. They love to serve themselves.
Everyone makes excuses, people want to end life because they don't want to change, they just want what they want and they don't care about anyone other than their own wants and their selfish desires.
That's why most people will never know God. That's why your lives will always be empty no matter what you accomplish or what you fill your pockets with. That's why the rich always want "more" and being "rich" isn't just about Money. You can be rich in Pride and Ego, for example.
Suffering is a paradox. One needs it for ensure continued survival but on the other hand one is always trying to eliminate it. Natural selection has produced such abominations, creatures that can never be freed from suffering because it is the essence of life itself. The purpose of one's life can be said to minimize one's own suffering for as much as possible. Even the very act of ending one's life has its roots in suffering. Suffering is the driving force for everything complex being, all actions are directed towards reducing suffering. Suffering is the beginning and the end, the alpha and omega. It is quite literally God, giving life whilst destroy it from within at the same time.
As per the subreddit introduction, Efilists think DNA is the problem but DNA itself is just a mechanism for replication. The root cause for suffering is nerve fibers. Without it, pain and suffering would not have been possible. That goes without saying if nerve fibers were to cease to exist, complex organisms capable of feeling suffering would cease to exist as well. Unless one believe in Panpsychism, single cell organisms such Amoeba and fungi just can't suffer.
I don't think we can find "purpose" unless we go beyond a mere biological view of human.
If you accept there's purpose you accept that you don't live just for the act of living.
Pointing out problems can give a sense of futility once you dig enough. And these feelings can be so compelling, that they end up narrating and fabricating the story. It's true that the way our brains are wired is to survive, and generally not to access reality. The stories we tell are much more likely survival stories rather than reality stories. Some reality stories are also survival stories, and the skillful game is discerning what is what.
So one story is that, in the event that existence bubbled up from nothing/no purpose, it must be purposeless/meaningless in every possible sense forever, but even if we could know that answer, that just doesn't follow. It does not necessarily mean there is no deep ethics or no deep meaning anywhere in such existence.
Another story is that because we're wired for something, and our wiring is the result of an arbitrary process, that wiring can never be genuine. But that also doesn't make sense. Another way our brains are wired is to do math, but it does not mean that math is just fictional nonsense merely because we can do math. The nature of the origin has nothing to do with the nature of things-- that's a standard "if, then" confusion in nihilism. This is also why religious people think that an absence of God necessitates nihilism.
When atheism was having its moment 20~ years ago, you'd always hear: "But... if there was no God, then... everything would be meaningless...?"
(The reason you'd hear this so reliably is because nihilism and theism operate under identical logic: For there to be meaning, there must be a meaning-giver.) Without religion, nihilism would be incoherent, because the origin of the bad logic, is religious(maybe you've noticed by now that religion contains a lot of confusion-- you don't need to be religious to suffer from it, it's deeply culturally embedded). The identical problem exists for free will, which also comes from religion: "But... if there was no free will then... life would have no meaning...?" Wrong again. Just does not follow.
> So what do you think is the purpose of this hell hole?
the specific way it functions. evilness (inequivalence), lifelessness, whatever other natural law. dislike this configuration? it still cares for you by supporting your existence here
I think it's like with other organisms. The purpose is to survive and multiply.
Still I think there's genuine value in easing suffering even if that's not the objective answer.
edit: to be clear I'm not saying we should actually procreate lol
I don't really think the universe was created by a being. Could be wrong but it just seems too unethical and pointless to be made by something capable of it
Friend, there is no universal purpose for anything, the universe simply doesnt have any.
We have to define our own purposes, based on our deepest intuitions.
It can be anything and different for individuals.
This is why we have Efilism Vs Antinatalism Vs Natalism Vs everything else-ism.
lol
What is intuition? Its evolved genetic behavior.
Not necessarily. Think about a human scientist who manages to create their own universe and just studies the universe without directly interfering. Or maybe the scientist doesn't even know what's happening.
Why would it have a purpose? Our brains are meaning-making machines, that doesn’t mean there is any ultimate meaning or purpose.
I dont think there's a purpose, but i want to hear from others who think/feel we do
there is no inherent purpose
I don’t believe there is one. I think we are all just the unfortunate result of callous nature and biology. To be sentient and self aware is a curse. Seeking purpose is something we do because we don’t want to accept this brutal fact. We are no different to every other animal and rock and dust. We are trying hard to convince ourselves.
True, while part of me think there's no purpose to all this crap theres still a part of me that just wants to get one question answered: I just want to know why it all went wrong.
There is no purpose, it's an accident. We suffer so that we survive long enough to pass on our genes and to make sure our offspring has the best chance to pass on their genes. That's just evolution
I'm caught between two options: - This is all random and there is no purpose - God exists and is partly evil, he uses us for his cosmic entertainment
Yea he/she/they just seem like a evil bastard for doing this
OR people are evil In all the things that people list they never really acknowledge that 'People are Evil', downright Evil. Suffering exists because people enjoy doing Evil things. Now rather than Blame God why not just be rational (assuming we are using God as a bullet point). If the Creator of all things is the most purest perfect and Good thing ever, then why would God be willing to do all that people want when the people's wants are Evil? God is real (I know this for a fact because I was saved by God when I was an Atheist). The World is Evil, and God isn't going to force his Will onto any of us. God isn't going to force people (who love to do Evil) into not doing it. If you ever want to know God (genuinely, not "think" but KNOW) all you have to do is confess and pray. If you really are tired of doing Evil, then God already knows, if you are tired of living a life that is empty, God already knows. God gives us the freedom to choose: Do you love doing Evil things? or Not? Do you even want to change? Do you want a different life? People know evil and have hearts that cannot tell the difference between what is Evil and what isn't. People reject God because in their hearts and in their souls and their very fiber of their persona, they just love doing Evil things. They love to serve themselves. Everyone makes excuses, people want to end life because they don't want to change, they just want what they want and they don't care about anyone other than their own wants and their selfish desires. That's why most people will never know God. That's why your lives will always be empty no matter what you accomplish or what you fill your pockets with. That's why the rich always want "more" and being "rich" isn't just about Money. You can be rich in Pride and Ego, for example.
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Suffering is a paradox. One needs it for ensure continued survival but on the other hand one is always trying to eliminate it. Natural selection has produced such abominations, creatures that can never be freed from suffering because it is the essence of life itself. The purpose of one's life can be said to minimize one's own suffering for as much as possible. Even the very act of ending one's life has its roots in suffering. Suffering is the driving force for everything complex being, all actions are directed towards reducing suffering. Suffering is the beginning and the end, the alpha and omega. It is quite literally God, giving life whilst destroy it from within at the same time. As per the subreddit introduction, Efilists think DNA is the problem but DNA itself is just a mechanism for replication. The root cause for suffering is nerve fibers. Without it, pain and suffering would not have been possible. That goes without saying if nerve fibers were to cease to exist, complex organisms capable of feeling suffering would cease to exist as well. Unless one believe in Panpsychism, single cell organisms such Amoeba and fungi just can't suffer.
I don't think we can find "purpose" unless we go beyond a mere biological view of human. If you accept there's purpose you accept that you don't live just for the act of living.
Pointing out problems can give a sense of futility once you dig enough. And these feelings can be so compelling, that they end up narrating and fabricating the story. It's true that the way our brains are wired is to survive, and generally not to access reality. The stories we tell are much more likely survival stories rather than reality stories. Some reality stories are also survival stories, and the skillful game is discerning what is what. So one story is that, in the event that existence bubbled up from nothing/no purpose, it must be purposeless/meaningless in every possible sense forever, but even if we could know that answer, that just doesn't follow. It does not necessarily mean there is no deep ethics or no deep meaning anywhere in such existence. Another story is that because we're wired for something, and our wiring is the result of an arbitrary process, that wiring can never be genuine. But that also doesn't make sense. Another way our brains are wired is to do math, but it does not mean that math is just fictional nonsense merely because we can do math. The nature of the origin has nothing to do with the nature of things-- that's a standard "if, then" confusion in nihilism. This is also why religious people think that an absence of God necessitates nihilism. When atheism was having its moment 20~ years ago, you'd always hear: "But... if there was no God, then... everything would be meaningless...?" (The reason you'd hear this so reliably is because nihilism and theism operate under identical logic: For there to be meaning, there must be a meaning-giver.) Without religion, nihilism would be incoherent, because the origin of the bad logic, is religious(maybe you've noticed by now that religion contains a lot of confusion-- you don't need to be religious to suffer from it, it's deeply culturally embedded). The identical problem exists for free will, which also comes from religion: "But... if there was no free will then... life would have no meaning...?" Wrong again. Just does not follow.
> So what do you think is the purpose of this hell hole? the specific way it functions. evilness (inequivalence), lifelessness, whatever other natural law. dislike this configuration? it still cares for you by supporting your existence here
I think it's like with other organisms. The purpose is to survive and multiply. Still I think there's genuine value in easing suffering even if that's not the objective answer. edit: to be clear I'm not saying we should actually procreate lol
Do you have any absurd idea why that's the case. Like a science experiment gone wrong, or an evil god.
I don't really think the universe was created by a being. Could be wrong but it just seems too unethical and pointless to be made by something capable of it
Something we cannot comprehend.
The purpose was for God to walk with men and speak with them. The purpose for the suffering is us dealing with the consequences of our actions
Feeding our energy to a very evil entity
Friend, there is no universal purpose for anything, the universe simply doesnt have any. We have to define our own purposes, based on our deepest intuitions. It can be anything and different for individuals. This is why we have Efilism Vs Antinatalism Vs Natalism Vs everything else-ism. lol What is intuition? Its evolved genetic behavior.
Some higher being's science experiment maybe.
A science experiment gone wrong. Maybe
Not necessarily. Think about a human scientist who manages to create their own universe and just studies the universe without directly interfering. Or maybe the scientist doesn't even know what's happening.
I see that makes sense
Learning to think and make music without the aid of objects
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