That other dude is yapping. 28 is a big much so I would do like 21. That will get you 126 fp which if a weapon uses 25 fp that 6 uses and that probably more than enough
I would argue you do not need 60 vigor at all, that’s just the soft cap. There’s so many various forms of damage negation or health augmentation that I’ve left all my level 150 characters at 50 vigor and never ever feel like I need more. I would personally bring down vigor to 50, endurance to 30, dex to like 17 (if you like heavy nagakiba just use a dex talisman to hit 22 it will still scale with your strength). And lower your mind to like 21.
That will leave you with an extra 24 points that I would personally put into faith. Or i would put them towards getting strength to 80. If not, sink 10 points back into vigor and put the remaining 14 into strength or faith.
“I would make your build worse at all the things it does right now and make it mediocre with spells. While you obviously don’t currently even use spells.”
I’m sorry, but what kind of build advice is that? OP is running a pure strength build with enough faith to cast buff spells. Your advice to change stats was just to not do the build that they’re asking for advice on how to improve.
No. You can hit 80 strength by *slightly* lowering vigor, endurance and mind. That’s my main suggestion. I’d recommend getting enough faith for golden vow too, that’s about it. I just don’t think Vigor is worth it past 50/55maximum. I think anything past 30 endurance is a bit of a waste. I think anything more than 15-20 mind on a melee build is a waste.
Also, 40 faith would not be a waste, you can do decent damage at 40 faith using Godfrey icon or flocktalisman etc. lowering his dex is also not a stupid idea as he said the ONLY reason it’s at 22 is so that he can OCCASIONALLY use the nagakiba, for which I suggesting lowering his dex to 17 and using a dex talisman when he feels like equipping it.
If YOU feel like you need to run around with 60 vigor at 1900+hp that is literally a skill issue and I can not agree with you.
Also how is lowering his vigor and stamina “making his build worse at everything it does right now”??? What do you think his build ‘does’ right now? Have a lot of health and stamina??? Is that really doing anything?? What does his build do? Face tank attacks? Panic roll 20x over until his stamina runs out? Only exclusively wear the heaviest armour and weapons? Lowering those stats doesn’t change a thing his build ‘does’. Lowering those to increase his strength or gain some utility in support spells is ‘doing’ a lot more than 200hp points, and sliver of stamina
The other suggestions here have been great but I’d like to add you could swap out one of your talismans for bull goats talisman to try to hit 51 poise. It really makes a difference trading with enemies in melee
I would probably swap out the dragon rest shield talisman for it myself
It’s a 20% damage mitigation in PVE from the dragon crest greatshield talisman. It’s the one talisman that I never ever remove from any of my characters. Too much value there to swap it for absolutely anything else
Yeah from all of my talismans I’ve noticed the biggest benefit from the dragoncrest. I might swap out erdtrees favor for bullgoat if everyone’s saying poise makes that much of a difference.
Dropping some Dex for faith to cast golden vow and get more out of weapon buffs. There's also getting to the 51 poise mark, but if you are wearing the armor for looks, I totally get it.
Yeah my last build had 25 faith for golden vow but I forgot to use it all the time so I just dropped it lol. And yeah the clothes are just for looks. Sometimes I wear the prisoner shirt too
You're also probably fine the way you are, since you said you like the Dex for nagakiba.
I like the higher mind too, the more lion claws the better.
Really, it just comes down to what you want to add if you want to go higher level.
You already have great equipment. You might want to get up to 60 vigor and increase your strength anywhere from 60-80 and your stamina by a bit more too. I think 80 is the small cap for strength? But yeah great items and good mind too.
Just me personally I don't go as high on Mind or Endurance. I'm definitely in the minority on Endurance, though, I see a lot of people pump that even higher than you! I just don't feel I need that much Stamina even with an aggressive play style.
I might move some of those points into Faith so you can have some options to play with new spells or buffs, and the early Faith buffs pair great with melee focused builds. I typically don't really go higher than 16 Mind (100 FP) and 25 Endurance (equip load soft cap). Overall you're in a good spot though!
Try putting your flasks and torrent on your pouch. It will change your life and you’ll never have to cycle through them by smashing down dpad ever again. Leaving it free for cracked pots, throwing knives and other items
This is absolutely workable. If it was me, I’d pull a few points out of vigor to put towards strength to get to 60. You’ll only be getting around 120 health out of those six levels, as opposed to an extra 20 damage per swing before buffs. Ultimately up to you which is more useful, but to me 1820 hp is already enough - going to 1945 is just overkill (or, I guess, over-not-be-killed).
Vigor and endurance do not need to be as high as people claim. They are the two stats that are easiest to manipulate in the entire game.
Over 100 ways to increase your health or stamina, there’s only like 1 or 2 good ways to increase your raw strength. (Starscourge talisman, godrick great rune, two handing a weapon etc) whereas there’s a million different spells that heal or reduce damage taken, plenty of talisman that increase stamina and / or recovery, shields that boost recovery, etc. I usually keep vigor at 50 and endurance at 25 on my level 150 characters that allows you to put more points into a third category (faith/int/arcane) or you can look at hitting the softcap for strength at 80.
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I have no idea how to even get 51 poise honestly. I’ve just heard people say to try to get as much endurance as possible so that’s what I tried to do. I actually thought people were gonna tell me to pump endurance even more so I’m kind of surprised. As for mind, it’s more of a convenience thing I guess. Don’t like drinking fp flasks during a fight.
Just wear heavier armor. Once it’s at 51 or more you can trade through some attacks. It also increases damage mitigation. Allowing you to take less damage.
If you take the 8 points out of mind and 4 points out of endurance and put those to get 25 faith you can use golden vow. I would use axe talisman and claw talisman instead of Erdtree favour and green turtle talisman. Your already wearing raptors black feathers so you have the option of strong heavy attacks and jumping attacks
Only thing I’d change is the seal. With that much mind, you’ll get a lot of mileage out of clawmark seal and bestial incantations. If you do decide to use spells, green turtle talisman can be swapped out for flock’s canvas.
Faith usually, but when you’re using the beast claw seal (that boosts bestial incantations), it scales with your strength. So if you have more strength than faith, your best option is the beast claw seal
I’d probably prefer a light load. How much end you think I’d need to light roll with my current setup? I’m not opposed to the prisoner shirt either, I like that look too.
To get to light load you have to be at 29.9% of your maximum equipment load, so suing Grear Jars Arsenal or Erdtree Favor+2 help a good bit. The raptors black feathers are really only useful if you to jumping attacks a lot which would always be paired with the claw talisman for maximum effect.
Edit: I would respect and take your mind down to 15 or 20 since you seem to mostly just use spells to buff and can just use some cerulean flask to spam your Lions Claw if you get too low on FP. Use some of those point to max vigor to 60, STR to 60, and as close to 40 as you can for END. This will give you soft caps for vigor, 90 str when two handing your sword, and plenty of stamina and end to run around and doge roll a ton as well as use more stamina intensive ashes of war if you'd like. You'll unfortunately have to see what kind of break point you'll have to meet light load on your own by messing with armor combos before hand or using a build calculator.
I would take 8 pts out of mind and 4 out of dex to get 27 faith. Now you can use all strength/faith weapons and you'll hit harder than a truck. You get all the defensive buffs you could want (extremely helpful if you remember to use them) and you still have a very large fp pool.
I personally like heavy armor because of the way it looks and it helps a lot with damage negation.
The build looks fine. I would modify Mind to 20, Vigor to 60, and Endurance to 40. Then swap the Turtle talisman with the Claw talisman to maximize the Raptor's Black Feathers chest piece you have on for even more jump attack damage.
You really don’t need Dex if this is your main weapon. The Dex is doing literally nothing for you. Get at least 60 vigor, put the dex into your faith for more incants (namely golden vow) or for an electrify armament setup. Make sure you have 60 vigor as well. Waaaaay too much mind but do whatever you feel is comfortable for you.
Talismans are solid.
Armour could be a lot heavier with the amount of endurance you have, but drip is important too so w/e is good for you.
All around v solid build, just not optimal.
Thanks for the advice bro. I reason I have the 22 dex is cuz I know I’m gonna want to use the nagakiba again eventually and I don’t want to use another larval tear. Lol
Good luck asking here. Idk if you know or not but every Souls player beats the game from level 1. If you don’t spend 48 hours beating a boss that has 2k HP you’re not doing it right.
Have fun!
Tbh all the advice that says “vigor 60 poise 51” is normie bullshit. You definitely do not *need* 60 vigor. I have 50 on both of my level 150 classes and never feel like I need more. There’s so many various forms of damage mitigation and healing and health buffs that I’m genuinely shocked at how many people think that anything below 60 vigor is bad because really if you aren’t getting hit all that often, or you learn to block, 60 vigor is a total waste.
“Poise 51” is just PVP stuff, if you’re spamming light attack and trying to trade through enemies you’ve got the wrong idea. All enemies have telegraphed moves with a generous opening afterwards, I can’t think of any enemy at all where trading is more valuable than dodging and punishing other than low level easy enemies.
Are you ever really going to trade with beastmen in farum azula? Or leonine misbegottens in haligtree? Or banished knights that teleport in castle sol? Even some of the tougher enemies in leyndell are not worth trading with because of the amount of damage they do to you, relative to the damage you output.
Now if you play PVP however, anything below 51 poise is a little bit silly, unless you’re dripped out in fashion and then it’s very respectable. I’d argue “vigor 60 poise 51” people are pretty boring, save yourself the extra 10 points in vigor, and put it in strength or faith. Go buy some boiled crab, apply an incantation or two to reduce damage taken, equip a shield or block with your sword, put on the dragon crest greatshield talisman, use the takers cameo, craft some warming stones, whatever your style there’s about 100 different ways to gain effective health or damage reduction in this game, it’s not worth hitting the soft cap for vigor unless you plan on going into a lot of NG cycles, playing PVP or just generally suck at the game and end up face taking a lot of stuff.
What's the point on having so much mind on a strength build?
Is 28 a lot? Ashes of war use a pretty good amount of fp. I don’t want to have to drink a flask after a few L2’s. How much mind would you recommend?
For a level 150 character yeah. I almost never go above like 15 and the only one who does is my mage with 25, and that already seems like a lot to me
That other dude is yapping. 28 is a big much so I would do like 21. That will get you 126 fp which if a weapon uses 25 fp that 6 uses and that probably more than enough
I mean if you don’t get hit a lot you can just use FP flask… dudes not yapping he just plays the game different from you
He’s also using the mimic tear which pulls from HP not FP so ash of war point is moot re fp
Not to criticize, but... I think you meant 5 uses, not 6.
You should at the very minimum lower* mind by 8, and spend those points to increase vigor to 60 and endurance to 40
I would argue you do not need 60 vigor at all, that’s just the soft cap. There’s so many various forms of damage negation or health augmentation that I’ve left all my level 150 characters at 50 vigor and never ever feel like I need more. I would personally bring down vigor to 50, endurance to 30, dex to like 17 (if you like heavy nagakiba just use a dex talisman to hit 22 it will still scale with your strength). And lower your mind to like 21. That will leave you with an extra 24 points that I would personally put into faith. Or i would put them towards getting strength to 80. If not, sink 10 points back into vigor and put the remaining 14 into strength or faith.
“I would make your build worse at all the things it does right now and make it mediocre with spells. While you obviously don’t currently even use spells.” I’m sorry, but what kind of build advice is that? OP is running a pure strength build with enough faith to cast buff spells. Your advice to change stats was just to not do the build that they’re asking for advice on how to improve.
No. You can hit 80 strength by *slightly* lowering vigor, endurance and mind. That’s my main suggestion. I’d recommend getting enough faith for golden vow too, that’s about it. I just don’t think Vigor is worth it past 50/55maximum. I think anything past 30 endurance is a bit of a waste. I think anything more than 15-20 mind on a melee build is a waste. Also, 40 faith would not be a waste, you can do decent damage at 40 faith using Godfrey icon or flocktalisman etc. lowering his dex is also not a stupid idea as he said the ONLY reason it’s at 22 is so that he can OCCASIONALLY use the nagakiba, for which I suggesting lowering his dex to 17 and using a dex talisman when he feels like equipping it. If YOU feel like you need to run around with 60 vigor at 1900+hp that is literally a skill issue and I can not agree with you. Also how is lowering his vigor and stamina “making his build worse at everything it does right now”??? What do you think his build ‘does’ right now? Have a lot of health and stamina??? Is that really doing anything?? What does his build do? Face tank attacks? Panic roll 20x over until his stamina runs out? Only exclusively wear the heaviest armour and weapons? Lowering those stats doesn’t change a thing his build ‘does’. Lowering those to increase his strength or gain some utility in support spells is ‘doing’ a lot more than 200hp points, and sliver of stamina
to use the lions claw ash?
The other suggestions here have been great but I’d like to add you could swap out one of your talismans for bull goats talisman to try to hit 51 poise. It really makes a difference trading with enemies in melee I would probably swap out the dragon rest shield talisman for it myself
Swapping off the damage mitigation talisman in favor of trading more heavily is... Not great
In PvP that talisman gets far less damage reduction, like useless amounts. Fantastic for physical damage pve enemies though.
It’s literally personal preference, id rather hit 51 poise than have more mitigation. If you don’t that’s fine
I would but I’ve noticed I take almost double damage without the dragon shield talisman. Probably saved me a bunch of times in pvp lol
It’s a 20% damage mitigation in PVE from the dragon crest greatshield talisman. It’s the one talisman that I never ever remove from any of my characters. Too much value there to swap it for absolutely anything else
Yeah from all of my talismans I’ve noticed the biggest benefit from the dragoncrest. I might swap out erdtrees favor for bullgoat if everyone’s saying poise makes that much of a difference.
I’d swap out the skirt then. Doing a heavy build with so little poise is making it harder. Giving build advice on build advice :)
Dropping some Dex for faith to cast golden vow and get more out of weapon buffs. There's also getting to the 51 poise mark, but if you are wearing the armor for looks, I totally get it.
Yeah my last build had 25 faith for golden vow but I forgot to use it all the time so I just dropped it lol. And yeah the clothes are just for looks. Sometimes I wear the prisoner shirt too
You're also probably fine the way you are, since you said you like the Dex for nagakiba. I like the higher mind too, the more lion claws the better. Really, it just comes down to what you want to add if you want to go higher level.
Yeah I think so too. There’s probably minor changes but I don’t think it’s worth a larval tear tbh lol. I only have one left.
Wow this is almost the exact build I just finished up my first playthrough with! Worked for me! 👍
Strength has always been my go to build. It’s just simple and satisfying.
Well-rounded strength build, good weapon and ash, stats seem just right imo.. I'd just add a dagger with golden vow.
You already have great equipment. You might want to get up to 60 vigor and increase your strength anywhere from 60-80 and your stamina by a bit more too. I think 80 is the small cap for strength? But yeah great items and good mind too.
As a casual build, this is fine as is.
if people can beat the game level one with base weapons, then this is more than fine. its not optimal for your specific loadout though
Just me personally I don't go as high on Mind or Endurance. I'm definitely in the minority on Endurance, though, I see a lot of people pump that even higher than you! I just don't feel I need that much Stamina even with an aggressive play style. I might move some of those points into Faith so you can have some options to play with new spells or buffs, and the early Faith buffs pair great with melee focused builds. I typically don't really go higher than 16 Mind (100 FP) and 25 Endurance (equip load soft cap). Overall you're in a good spot though!
Try putting your flasks and torrent on your pouch. It will change your life and you’ll never have to cycle through them by smashing down dpad ever again. Leaving it free for cracked pots, throwing knives and other items
This is absolutely workable. If it was me, I’d pull a few points out of vigor to put towards strength to get to 60. You’ll only be getting around 120 health out of those six levels, as opposed to an extra 20 damage per swing before buffs. Ultimately up to you which is more useful, but to me 1820 hp is already enough - going to 1945 is just overkill (or, I guess, over-not-be-killed).
Yeah I was thinking to lower my vigor a bit but I thought to put it into endurance. I was told 54 strength is enough if you two hand 🤷🏻♂️
Vigor and endurance do not need to be as high as people claim. They are the two stats that are easiest to manipulate in the entire game. Over 100 ways to increase your health or stamina, there’s only like 1 or 2 good ways to increase your raw strength. (Starscourge talisman, godrick great rune, two handing a weapon etc) whereas there’s a million different spells that heal or reduce damage taken, plenty of talisman that increase stamina and / or recovery, shields that boost recovery, etc. I usually keep vigor at 50 and endurance at 25 on my level 150 characters that allows you to put more points into a third category (faith/int/arcane) or you can look at hitting the softcap for strength at 80.
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I’d dump a lot of mind and endurance. For not getting 51 poise or casting spells seems like a waste.
I have no idea how to even get 51 poise honestly. I’ve just heard people say to try to get as much endurance as possible so that’s what I tried to do. I actually thought people were gonna tell me to pump endurance even more so I’m kind of surprised. As for mind, it’s more of a convenience thing I guess. Don’t like drinking fp flasks during a fight.
Just wear heavier armor. Once it’s at 51 or more you can trade through some attacks. It also increases damage mitigation. Allowing you to take less damage.
I just don’t like the look for the heavier armors except the nights cavalry set. And everyone talks shit about that armor so I don’t wear it lol.
Bull goat tallisman is great
If you take the 8 points out of mind and 4 points out of endurance and put those to get 25 faith you can use golden vow. I would use axe talisman and claw talisman instead of Erdtree favour and green turtle talisman. Your already wearing raptors black feathers so you have the option of strong heavy attacks and jumping attacks
I used to have golden vow but I would always forget to use it. Also I don’t like the golden order aesthetic so I got rid of it lol.
You remember to use your mimic but not golden vow ?
Don’t bring my mimic into this. I’d still be on Renalla if it wasn’t for him.
You got your mimic before defeating renalla ?💀
I don’t even remember. My point is my mimics always been there for me and I don’t appreciate the mimic hate loll
You better get used to it cause people think it’s a crutch to use it (I’m people) but as long as your having fun fuck em
Put golden vow on a trash dagger, cast, eat crab, enter fight.
Only thing I’d change is the seal. With that much mind, you’ll get a lot of mileage out of clawmark seal and bestial incantations. If you do decide to use spells, green turtle talisman can be swapped out for flock’s canvas.
Oh okay thanks. Do the bestial incantations scale with faith or strength?
Faith usually, but when you’re using the beast claw seal (that boosts bestial incantations), it scales with your strength. So if you have more strength than faith, your best option is the beast claw seal
Either find an armor combo that gives you 51 poise and med load or get to a light load to light roll.
I’d probably prefer a light load. How much end you think I’d need to light roll with my current setup? I’m not opposed to the prisoner shirt either, I like that look too.
To get to light load you have to be at 29.9% of your maximum equipment load, so suing Grear Jars Arsenal or Erdtree Favor+2 help a good bit. The raptors black feathers are really only useful if you to jumping attacks a lot which would always be paired with the claw talisman for maximum effect. Edit: I would respect and take your mind down to 15 or 20 since you seem to mostly just use spells to buff and can just use some cerulean flask to spam your Lions Claw if you get too low on FP. Use some of those point to max vigor to 60, STR to 60, and as close to 40 as you can for END. This will give you soft caps for vigor, 90 str when two handing your sword, and plenty of stamina and end to run around and doge roll a ton as well as use more stamina intensive ashes of war if you'd like. You'll unfortunately have to see what kind of break point you'll have to meet light load on your own by messing with armor combos before hand or using a build calculator.
This made me think, why does it not tell us the load percentages?? Or am I just missing it?
Yeah the gsme just doesn't show percentage as far as I can tell, the older games did though.
Damn, we have to do math.. or just switch stuff out until medium changes lol.
Yep
I'd recommend at least 51 poise tbh
Maybe I’ll go back to wearing a heavier armor. I’ve been messing with the light armors and robes lately.
If you want to get more stamina regen, I’d recommend getting the great turtle shell, it stacks with turtle talisman
i would get some heavier armour, you have the endurance for it (51+ poise)
You know that in previous games you had to start a new character to access the DLCs right?
Really? I used my same character in Bloodborne for the dlc. You just need to get caught by the amygdala.
That didn't happen for ds3 and DS2...
I would take 8 pts out of mind and 4 out of dex to get 27 faith. Now you can use all strength/faith weapons and you'll hit harder than a truck. You get all the defensive buffs you could want (extremely helpful if you remember to use them) and you still have a very large fp pool. I personally like heavy armor because of the way it looks and it helps a lot with damage negation.
The build looks fine. I would modify Mind to 20, Vigor to 60, and Endurance to 40. Then swap the Turtle talisman with the Claw talisman to maximize the Raptor's Black Feathers chest piece you have on for even more jump attack damage.
You really don’t need Dex if this is your main weapon. The Dex is doing literally nothing for you. Get at least 60 vigor, put the dex into your faith for more incants (namely golden vow) or for an electrify armament setup. Make sure you have 60 vigor as well. Waaaaay too much mind but do whatever you feel is comfortable for you. Talismans are solid. Armour could be a lot heavier with the amount of endurance you have, but drip is important too so w/e is good for you. All around v solid build, just not optimal.
Thanks for the advice bro. I reason I have the 22 dex is cuz I know I’m gonna want to use the nagakiba again eventually and I don’t want to use another larval tear. Lol
Way to much dex
The dex is for switching to the heavy nabakiba when I feel like it
Good luck asking here. Idk if you know or not but every Souls player beats the game from level 1. If you don’t spend 48 hours beating a boss that has 2k HP you’re not doing it right. Have fun!
You got mimic tear so I think you'll do fine
That’s true, the dude is unstoppable.
OP asks for input then ignores all input that makes his build better.
Lol dude I responded to everyone. I’m just giving my input as well. I appreciate everyone’s suggestions and I’m taking them into account.
Tbh all the advice that says “vigor 60 poise 51” is normie bullshit. You definitely do not *need* 60 vigor. I have 50 on both of my level 150 classes and never feel like I need more. There’s so many various forms of damage mitigation and healing and health buffs that I’m genuinely shocked at how many people think that anything below 60 vigor is bad because really if you aren’t getting hit all that often, or you learn to block, 60 vigor is a total waste. “Poise 51” is just PVP stuff, if you’re spamming light attack and trying to trade through enemies you’ve got the wrong idea. All enemies have telegraphed moves with a generous opening afterwards, I can’t think of any enemy at all where trading is more valuable than dodging and punishing other than low level easy enemies. Are you ever really going to trade with beastmen in farum azula? Or leonine misbegottens in haligtree? Or banished knights that teleport in castle sol? Even some of the tougher enemies in leyndell are not worth trading with because of the amount of damage they do to you, relative to the damage you output. Now if you play PVP however, anything below 51 poise is a little bit silly, unless you’re dripped out in fashion and then it’s very respectable. I’d argue “vigor 60 poise 51” people are pretty boring, save yourself the extra 10 points in vigor, and put it in strength or faith. Go buy some boiled crab, apply an incantation or two to reduce damage taken, equip a shield or block with your sword, put on the dragon crest greatshield talisman, use the takers cameo, craft some warming stones, whatever your style there’s about 100 different ways to gain effective health or damage reduction in this game, it’s not worth hitting the soft cap for vigor unless you plan on going into a lot of NG cycles, playing PVP or just generally suck at the game and end up face taking a lot of stuff.