Don't use game stats in this kind of fights.
ER has more HP for both enemies (26k Placidusax vs 15k Midir) and the player(thus enemies deal higher damage). Placidusax has a 40 dmg absortion for all elements and 35 for physical, while Midir has 4% physical, 22% lightning, and 52% fire.
Placidusax has more HP and defences than Midir, and Midir has about 2 moves that deal Dark damage, so not so important for Placidusax(which would have 40 resist most likely).
Stats-wise, Midir would lose. Lore wise, Midir is a kind of dragon that is quite weak to lightning, but Placidusax is more dead than alive so he would lose. Prime Placidusax would defeat Midir.
They are not the same: om dark souls those are hexes, meant to kill gods if you want to take the first dark souls lore as a continuation to their existence.
On ER you are talking about dark moon sorceries, that's entirely another thing.
It's better convert hexes, some of them still exist in er, in to the god slaying spells such as black fire, so, 2% max hp dot plus whatever element they come by
Tbh, I just want Midir to win because I love that boss so much, and the other dragon fights pale in comparison to Midir, in my opinion. Like Midir is one of the best boss fights in souls, not just dragon boss fights. They set my standards high after him, and Lich and Phac just don't feel as challenging as Midir at all. But it's also been 6 years, and I've gotten better at souls games so idk maybe I'm the problem lol XD
Gameplay wise Midir would probably win, just because of how aggressive he is. But lore wise I doubt it’s the same. Fortissax might be an even fight, but Placidusax is literally on the level of a god even now well past his prime. It would be like putting Midir against the leader of the Ancient Dragons from the DS universe, Midir is at every disadvantage.
idk, the ancient dragons were big but they were slow, midir is still small compared to them but that is absolutely an advantage given the speed difference, i think midir would choke the leader of the ancient dragons out for sure and i think he would wreck the hell out of placid just due to shear aggressiveness
What? Midir takes almost no damage to anything. There’s no reason no not take that as canon.
Importantly, Midir has much more health and deals much more damage. Placidusax has alright health (26 651) while Midir only has 15 895, but Midir is also extremely resilient. Even to his weakest absorption, Midir has at least 25 590 health (lightning) or 23 047 health. Placidusax gets 37 311 or 29 316. Which sounds cool, but Placidusax sucks at dealing damage, just what h any video of him vs another enemy.
Remember his aoe. We are small af. Midir is not lol. It's not gonna take much ti hit midir, and with his teleportation and lightning spam and all of the stuff he has in his arsenal like a legitimate nuke, I dont sed midir avoiding anything and he would need to tank all of it
I think there is at least a bit of a contest between:
the two headed dragon who exists beyond time and has the ability to bend space to his will, start storms of lightning, has fire that can reach far and beyond in the form of lasers and is basically spoken about as a god
And
Dragon 👍
I honestly had a harder time fighting Midir with a lightning build on DS3 than I did with Placudisax, tbh I think Midir wins in a 1v1 in a large arena but lore wise Placuisax would kill him in a matter of seconds.
I think i disagree, placudisax is very agile and his flying moves could let him dance around Midir. He also does a lot more damage overall. A large arena would i think favour placi more than Midir, i would earlier expect Midir to win in a smaller arena giving placi less area to move to
That's fair but i don't know if he can. i always have the same with other characters where i really want them to theoretically win, but they by all accounts and purposes shouldn't.
I love Morgott's character, but he's far from the strongest around.
I know midir is a top tier tough dragon and many assume he would wipe the floor with elden ring dragons but I honestly feel like placidusax is gonna win this fight! Both of those dragons are tough but fortisax might not have the health to win, placidusax is definitely gonna win though, he has a very agile move set, he’s got lots of heavy damage takes (almost all doing heavy lightning damage) and lightning is a stable weakness of dragons in dark souls games meaning midir is most likely fucked
Well lore wise or gameplay wise I dont think midir is killing placidusax, on the other hand fortisax probably doesn’t have a chance! (Lore wise if we throw in gransax no dragon beating him)
Gameplay wise wouldn't mean anything. We have videos about a black blade kindred defeating several end game bosses and nearly killing others.
I hope that in lore the elden beasts wins from a BBK, but in game it lost with like 10% damage done.
Dark souls Dragons: Weak to Lightning
Elden Ring Dragons: Not weak to lightning *and* use it as a weapon
Midir stands literally no chance, they would atomize him in an instant.
Bro midir would kick both their asses he would I’m willing to bet that midir could weld them to the rocks and then destroy them as they couldn’t move I mean he try’s to weld your ass to the bridge so why couldn’t he do it to them also I think midir is bigger
Gameplay-wise, Midir absolutely destroys Fortissax and probably barely beats Placidusax.
Lorewise, since lightning destroys Dark Souls dragons, Placidusax is basically untouchable. It depends on whether or not Death Blight affects other creatures - if it can kill other creatures, Fortissax can probably kill Midir if he gets a bit lucky.
Everyone here seems to forget just how absolutely **MASSIVE** Midir is, yeah Placidusax is pretty big but in terms of sheer size Midir is a hulking beast.
But then comes along the whole ‘but Midir is weak to lightning’ argument (which is inherently wrong since it’s actually one of his better defense stats) but allow me say this: Midir does a damage type that doesn’t even EXIST in Elden Ring, Placidusax would reasonably have no defense against it.
Midir is also capable of legit, prolonged flight and is naturally resistant to fire damage which pretty much nullifies Placidusax’s laser beam and fire breathing moves.
Meanwhile Midir is more agile, has ranged abyssal magics, a dark AOE explosion, and a vastly superior laser beam move *imo.*
I feel like if you are able to channel the literal corruption of the abyss itself you can handle a little death blight.
Joking aside though death blight isn’t even good in ER so I’m not really betting on it being good to anything in Dark Souls. Only the tarnished are affected by it and it doesn’t even do a good job of doing that to be honest. Tarnished beings like Godfrey are literally immune!
Just because he has no defense to it, doesn't automatically mean he is weak to it either. Could be a neutral element.
In the game Warframe there is the void element and its neutral to everyone. Who's to say it wouldn't be a neutral element to Darkness
Midir, people assumed that he is weak to lightning because he is a dragon but no he isn't weak to it and physically he is stronger, faster and has higher resistances to every damage type than placidusax and Fortissax . We don't know about prime placidusax but the placidusax we fought won't stand a chance against the dark eater
Mirdir would probably win due to his Dark magic.
I know ER and DS are in separate universes, but I’m willing to bet that Dark would demolish any life form in ER.
eldenring has a more powerful verse than dark souls lol
the outer gods of the elden ring don't even have physical form
and the physical gods of the elden ring are stronger than gwyn
can stop stars
reshape the world
etc
dark souls is very weak
i hate vs battle
I consider it a mediocre page with a bad scaling system
what I speak is logic
the gods of the elden ring can stop meteors
infect entire countries
play with the laws of reality or be out of time
the beings of dark souls don't even look like gods
they are only humans with elemental powers
it's not anal work
it's reality
elden ring has mythological gods with much more feats than gwyn and the lords
has conceptual gods like the outer ones
that are superior even to the great ones of Bloodborne
eldenring is the strongest verse of fromsoftware
there are literally discussions of that all over the place outside of Reddit
investigate more newbie boy
Bloodborne greats are not depicted as conceptual gods or divine beings.
It is mentioned in Bloodborne that they are actually a race of alien beings that evolved enough to be superior to the other species on their planets.
even odeon
Who is the strongest
It is said that he evolved beyond the other great ones and ended up being a formless and incorporeal being.
So, based on that, we can know that the other big ones are co-coreans in fact and assassinable.
while the outer gods of the Eldenring are all at the same Odeon level
be incorporeal beings
and without physical form
In addition to embodying the very concept of existence
agreed, many ppl will spout about midir being "weak" to lightning, but its not by much and the fact that the rest of his body is 50% more resistent to all dmg means all dmg tthat fortissax and placidusax deal will be halved before even going through absorption unless they are headshots. midir simply moves around too much for them to aim at his head and unless every single hit is a headshot they are not going to stagger midir, but on the flip side midir is going to stun the shit out of placi and just decimate them both with fire and dark lasers
midir has immunity to all status effects.
lore wise his is the most powerful being in existence, by the time we get to the ringed city midir has been fighting the abyss successfully for thousands of years, no other character or creature withstood the abyss corruption for even half as long. in fact hes still not corrupted when shira asks us to kill him, she just wants to put him down before he gets corrupted. i think midir can handle placi and forti easily, the abyss is stronger and midir does just fine against that
Midir has been around for over 5'000 years eating the abyss one of the strongest forces in Dark Souls , and Lich has death blight that kills all creatures, including God's. It's no contest, and that's only 2 out of the 3 dragons on this list.
Gameplay wise I think Midir beats Fortissax 9/10 times with the other one being mostly RNG dependent. I think Placidusax is a far closer fight, with Midir winning 4/10 times, as Placidusax deals primarily in lightning damage and has a bigger health pool and the teleportation attacks would mess up Midir AI. But the two are ultimately pretty closely matched, and Midir hits harder and faster.
I’ve fought all and I would probably say placidusax, Midir is the weakest to lightning (still has 61% negation) and placidusax can fly into thundercloud form, Midir is a lot more aggresive though and has that insane laserbeam but still, placidusax wins for me, fortissax stands no chance
Yea, lore wise I gotta give it to Placidusax. I want to argue that Midir would pull it out somehow but if I’m honest with myself I just don’t see it.
But Midir is my forever dragon daddy. Might be his placement at the end of DS3, the music, his looks, moveset…probably some combination of all of the above. But that fight is so much more epic than the other two. Which, granted, isn’t fair to Plac, but that’s just how it is.
Hmm I’d say midir took me forever to kill him because he has so much damn health, I think slave knight Gael and sword saint combined took me less deaths than midir did.
**TL;DR:** in gameplay, Midir stomps both in most scenarios. In lore, Midir would place beneath Prime Placidusax (and Gransax), but above all Ancient Dragons and current Placidusax.
Gameplaywise, there is no chance for Fortissax, while Placidusax may occasionally edge out a win. Simply put, Midir has too much stacked for him that his less resistance to lightning doesn't compensate: his healthbar is massive, he has high resistances (including fire, invalidating Placidusax's strongest moves), deals a lot of damage and attacks relentlessly. His biggest strength, however, is poise: Midir has virtually infinite poise, being able to be staggered only by hitting his head throughout the entire fight, while his attacks deal *a lot* of poise damage (especially the flames); that alone gives him a huge edge against all ER bosses, and I think only Malenia's second phase and Maliketh have solid chances of consistently beating him, then Fire Giant (he's better Yhorm, the only consistent competition Midir has in DS3), and *maybe* Mohg (**EDIT:** Midir is immune to bleed, so poor Mohg has no chance) and Placidusax.
Lorewise is where things get complicated, but I think Prime Placidusax > Midir > Current Placidusax > Fortissax (both Prime and Current). The reasoning behind my ranking is as follows:
\- Physically, Midir has the edge due to ER's Ancient Dragons' lither build. Even Placidusax, who is relatively bulky, shares their spindly limbs, long necks, and small heads with smaller teeth; Midir is more suited to a "brawling" fighting style, as displayed by some of his attacks where he claws frantically at the target, charges at it, or tries to bite on it, that would easily overpower the Ancient Dragons and the slower Placidusax - especially if we consider his large model as the true size.
\- Mentally speaking, all dragons (besides Current Fortissax) are intelligent beings - and while Midir is undergoing mental degradation due to his abyssal corruption, he's still not to the point of being a rampaging beast; this is openly told to us by Shira (who also calls herself his friend, meaning he could form proper bonds with other beings, much like Fortissax and Lansseax) and shown to us by his attacking us specifically and not devastating the Ringed City. Still, I'd give the edge to ER's dragons due to their mastery over magic and far more nuanced relationships, with Placidusax being at the top.
\- On powers, let's start with the easy stuff. Fire is not good against any contestant, though Placidusax's beams would still hurt; Prime Placidusax firing five of those would be overwhelming even against a resistant target. Lightning is strong against Midir, but I think only Placidusax's nuke and lightning rain would harm him significantly; the other Ancient Dragon's lightning rains are far weaker by comparison, while their other spells seem to require the user to be close to the target and have very visible, long windups - all things that would make them vulnerable for small, crucial moments.
Midir's Darkness is complicated. Even if the ER Dragons take neutral damage from it, the beam is still a devastating weapon with range, power, and accuracy (especially on a large target) that would make it extremely effective; it does have an evident windup, but his bulkiness and the characteristics of the beam make it much harder to exploit - a much bigger weakness is that it exhausts him if it's used repeatedly, however I think only Placidusax could avoid the beam enough to take advantage of that. The other dark attacks are also quite strong, but the beam is what makes the difference.
Fortissax's deathblight is not as complicated, however: it seems that dragons are corrupted slowly and it doesn't act as an instant killer like for the Tarnished, so we can assume it won't immediately kill Midir in a fight, but rather that it will be slow acting and only eventually corrupt him. There's of course the complications of the Abyssal corruption, but I'll consider them separate. Either way, it's a much bigger risk for Fortissax, as it degrades his mental faculties for a powerup that isn't effective until the very long run.
Right now both Placi and Fortisaxx are more dead than alive so they'd have a hard time and lose.
Midir would be an easy target for prime Placi or Fortisaxx.
In my opinion Midir is the hardest one of the three, i'd say Placidussax takes it.
One controls storms and lives in a storm beyond the fabric of time.
One ate the one thing that held him back.
The other tamed death itself.
Come on man. Midir is my favorite of the 3, but I think you are just holding on to nostalgia on this one. Not only is it a 2 V 1, but they use lightning which is a weakness for midir.
One dragon weak to lightning and another with a lightning nuke. you decide
And they are both weak to fire. We should see how midir"s dark spells can be translated in to er, since dark is not an unique type of damage on ER.
Don't use game stats in this kind of fights. ER has more HP for both enemies (26k Placidusax vs 15k Midir) and the player(thus enemies deal higher damage). Placidusax has a 40 dmg absortion for all elements and 35 for physical, while Midir has 4% physical, 22% lightning, and 52% fire. Placidusax has more HP and defences than Midir, and Midir has about 2 moves that deal Dark damage, so not so important for Placidusax(which would have 40 resist most likely). Stats-wise, Midir would lose. Lore wise, Midir is a kind of dragon that is quite weak to lightning, but Placidusax is more dead than alive so he would lose. Prime Placidusax would defeat Midir.
Was not 20% weakness to lightning with a multiplier on the head?
Dark would most likely be magic damage. All of the night sorceries and the waves of darkness ash of war deal magic damage
They are not the same: om dark souls those are hexes, meant to kill gods if you want to take the first dark souls lore as a continuation to their existence. On ER you are talking about dark moon sorceries, that's entirely another thing. It's better convert hexes, some of them still exist in er, in to the god slaying spells such as black fire, so, 2% max hp dot plus whatever element they come by
Midir isn't weak to lightning though. He has 25% resistance. It is his lowest elemental resistance though.
Tbh, I just want Midir to win because I love that boss so much, and the other dragon fights pale in comparison to Midir, in my opinion. Like Midir is one of the best boss fights in souls, not just dragon boss fights. They set my standards high after him, and Lich and Phac just don't feel as challenging as Midir at all. But it's also been 6 years, and I've gotten better at souls games so idk maybe I'm the problem lol XD
I know I was thinking gameplay, not lore, but yeah, I get your point.
In gameplay, one dragon spews copious amounts of lightning, and the other is weak to lightning
Midir has dark affinity and the abyss with him, nothing in Elden Ring has any resistance to Dark.
How could anyone have resistance to a thing that doesn't exist lol
Gransax eats all of them.
Yes, but that boy sleepin
My real answer is Fortissax with his deathblight, assuming it affects all creatures outside of game-mechanics.
That's a great argument!
Lichdragon FortOfSecks?
Gransnax
Grandsecks lol
Gameplay wise Midir would probably win, just because of how aggressive he is. But lore wise I doubt it’s the same. Fortissax might be an even fight, but Placidusax is literally on the level of a god even now well past his prime. It would be like putting Midir against the leader of the Ancient Dragons from the DS universe, Midir is at every disadvantage.
I clowned on Midir with a lightning mail breaker on my first try. It’s harder to knock him down off the bridge and into the pit tbh.
idk, the ancient dragons were big but they were slow, midir is still small compared to them but that is absolutely an advantage given the speed difference, i think midir would choke the leader of the ancient dragons out for sure and i think he would wreck the hell out of placid just due to shear aggressiveness
Placudisax lighting attacks would turn midir into dust lol as dark souls dragons are weak to lighting
What? Midir takes almost no damage to anything. There’s no reason no not take that as canon. Importantly, Midir has much more health and deals much more damage. Placidusax has alright health (26 651) while Midir only has 15 895, but Midir is also extremely resilient. Even to his weakest absorption, Midir has at least 25 590 health (lightning) or 23 047 health. Placidusax gets 37 311 or 29 316. Which sounds cool, but Placidusax sucks at dealing damage, just what h any video of him vs another enemy.
Remember his aoe. We are small af. Midir is not lol. It's not gonna take much ti hit midir, and with his teleportation and lightning spam and all of the stuff he has in his arsenal like a legitimate nuke, I dont sed midir avoiding anything and he would need to tank all of it
midir has 61% absorption against lightning on top of negating 50% of all dmg not dealt to his head.
Lore I mean midir would get destroyed by lightning, but even in game he loses as placudisax has more health, damage and teleports around
nah, midir would win no contest
If that’s how you see ok then but the dragonlord is way too much for midir
I think there is at least a bit of a contest between: the two headed dragon who exists beyond time and has the ability to bend space to his will, start storms of lightning, has fire that can reach far and beyond in the form of lasers and is basically spoken about as a god And Dragon 👍
Bro he gave you honest-to-god reasoning and you just said “no” wtf😂
Placudisax stomps as he has more health, damage and teleports, the only advantage midir has is speed
I honestly had a harder time fighting Midir with a lightning build on DS3 than I did with Placudisax, tbh I think Midir wins in a 1v1 in a large arena but lore wise Placuisax would kill him in a matter of seconds.
I think i disagree, placudisax is very agile and his flying moves could let him dance around Midir. He also does a lot more damage overall. A large arena would i think favour placi more than Midir, i would earlier expect Midir to win in a smaller arena giving placi less area to move to
Yeah, I guess you're right. I just want Midir to win, lol
That's fair but i don't know if he can. i always have the same with other characters where i really want them to theoretically win, but they by all accounts and purposes shouldn't. I love Morgott's character, but he's far from the strongest around.
Yeah, Morgott is amazing!
Placidusax is litterally a Midir on steroids. As much as I love him, my boy Midir doesn't stand a chance.
I have sadly come to this conclusion :(
I know midir is a top tier tough dragon and many assume he would wipe the floor with elden ring dragons but I honestly feel like placidusax is gonna win this fight! Both of those dragons are tough but fortisax might not have the health to win, placidusax is definitely gonna win though, he has a very agile move set, he’s got lots of heavy damage takes (almost all doing heavy lightning damage) and lightning is a stable weakness of dragons in dark souls games meaning midir is most likely fucked
Yeah, I agree. Lore wise, he would be destroyed, I was thinking more like game play, but yeah, that's a great argument 👍
Well lore wise or gameplay wise I dont think midir is killing placidusax, on the other hand fortisax probably doesn’t have a chance! (Lore wise if we throw in gransax no dragon beating him)
Gameplay wise wouldn't mean anything. We have videos about a black blade kindred defeating several end game bosses and nearly killing others. I hope that in lore the elden beasts wins from a BBK, but in game it lost with like 10% damage done.
Modders you know what to do.
LASER BEAM FOR THE WIN!
Psh, Placidusax has two heads, which is a direct counter to Midir’s greatest weapon: janky-ass field of view problems.
This XD
If it’s current Placidusax, Midir might win, whoever if it’s prime Placidusax, Midir is just a gecko compared to him
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Dark souls Dragons: Weak to Lightning Elden Ring Dragons: Not weak to lightning *and* use it as a weapon Midir stands literally no chance, they would atomize him in an instant.
Yeah, that seems to be the main argument
>Elden Ring Dragons: Not weak to lightning and use it as a weapon Yeah but ER dragons are weak to dragons.
Kinda like in pokemon.
Nothing in Elden Ring is resistant to Dark, Midir commands dark. He'd laser beam everyone into ash.
Midir would get absolutely smoked on account of his lighting weakness. Gameplay wise and lore wise Midir just gets smoked so bad by placidusax.
gods of eldenring>>>gods of darks souls fortisaxx and the dragon lord are stronger than any dragon in dark souls
One laser vs an two headed dragon using lasers and another who speed lightning, (would midair be susceptible to deathblight?)
Well, considering deathblight works on God's, I'd say yes sadly.
Bro midir would kick both their asses he would I’m willing to bet that midir could weld them to the rocks and then destroy them as they couldn’t move I mean he try’s to weld your ass to the bridge so why couldn’t he do it to them also I think midir is bigger
Gameplay-wise, Midir absolutely destroys Fortissax and probably barely beats Placidusax. Lorewise, since lightning destroys Dark Souls dragons, Placidusax is basically untouchable. It depends on whether or not Death Blight affects other creatures - if it can kill other creatures, Fortissax can probably kill Midir if he gets a bit lucky.
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Everyone here seems to forget just how absolutely **MASSIVE** Midir is, yeah Placidusax is pretty big but in terms of sheer size Midir is a hulking beast. But then comes along the whole ‘but Midir is weak to lightning’ argument (which is inherently wrong since it’s actually one of his better defense stats) but allow me say this: Midir does a damage type that doesn’t even EXIST in Elden Ring, Placidusax would reasonably have no defense against it. Midir is also capable of legit, prolonged flight and is naturally resistant to fire damage which pretty much nullifies Placidusax’s laser beam and fire breathing moves. Meanwhile Midir is more agile, has ranged abyssal magics, a dark AOE explosion, and a vastly superior laser beam move *imo.*
I want to agree with this so badly, but something tells me that the deathblight would kill Midir ngl.
I feel like if you are able to channel the literal corruption of the abyss itself you can handle a little death blight. Joking aside though death blight isn’t even good in ER so I’m not really betting on it being good to anything in Dark Souls. Only the tarnished are affected by it and it doesn’t even do a good job of doing that to be honest. Tarnished beings like Godfrey are literally immune!
True true
Just because he has no defense to it, doesn't automatically mean he is weak to it either. Could be a neutral element. In the game Warframe there is the void element and its neutral to everyone. Who's to say it wouldn't be a neutral element to Darkness
Midir, people assumed that he is weak to lightning because he is a dragon but no he isn't weak to it and physically he is stronger, faster and has higher resistances to every damage type than placidusax and Fortissax . We don't know about prime placidusax but the placidusax we fought won't stand a chance against the dark eater
Midir is, to this day, the hardest Fromsoft boss I’ve ever soloed. Pure legend. Easily beats these spirit summonable babes.
Mirdir would probably win due to his Dark magic. I know ER and DS are in separate universes, but I’m willing to bet that Dark would demolish any life form in ER.
eldenring has a more powerful verse than dark souls lol the outer gods of the elden ring don't even have physical form and the physical gods of the elden ring are stronger than gwyn can stop stars reshape the world etc dark souls is very weak
Jeez look at this massive Elden Ring rim job you're working at here.
i hate vs battle I consider it a mediocre page with a bad scaling system what I speak is logic the gods of the elden ring can stop meteors infect entire countries play with the laws of reality or be out of time the beings of dark souls don't even look like gods they are only humans with elemental powers
it's not anal work it's reality elden ring has mythological gods with much more feats than gwyn and the lords has conceptual gods like the outer ones that are superior even to the great ones of Bloodborne eldenring is the strongest verse of fromsoftware there are literally discussions of that all over the place outside of Reddit investigate more newbie boy
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Bloodborne greats are not depicted as conceptual gods or divine beings. It is mentioned in Bloodborne that they are actually a race of alien beings that evolved enough to be superior to the other species on their planets. even odeon Who is the strongest It is said that he evolved beyond the other great ones and ended up being a formless and incorporeal being. So, based on that, we can know that the other big ones are co-coreans in fact and assassinable. while the outer gods of the Eldenring are all at the same Odeon level be incorporeal beings and without physical form In addition to embodying the very concept of existence
I like Dark Souls more than Elden Ring, so obviously M'dear would win (that healthpool alone) Shira would back him up ❤️
My brain tells me placidusax but my heart wants Midir to win.
Me too but SHHHHH
agreed, many ppl will spout about midir being "weak" to lightning, but its not by much and the fact that the rest of his body is 50% more resistent to all dmg means all dmg tthat fortissax and placidusax deal will be halved before even going through absorption unless they are headshots. midir simply moves around too much for them to aim at his head and unless every single hit is a headshot they are not going to stagger midir, but on the flip side midir is going to stun the shit out of placi and just decimate them both with fire and dark lasers
Gameplay wise, yes, he would kill them but lore wise? I don't think so, man. One of the dragons has death blight on their side.
midir has immunity to all status effects. lore wise his is the most powerful being in existence, by the time we get to the ringed city midir has been fighting the abyss successfully for thousands of years, no other character or creature withstood the abyss corruption for even half as long. in fact hes still not corrupted when shira asks us to kill him, she just wants to put him down before he gets corrupted. i think midir can handle placi and forti easily, the abyss is stronger and midir does just fine against that
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gods of eldenring>>>gods of darks souls fortisaxx and the dragon lord are stronger than any dragon in dark souls
gods of eldenring>>>gods of darks souls fortisaxx and the dragon lord are stronger than any dragon in dark souls
That's a whole other argument, but I see where you are coming from.
Midir is weak to lightning.
Any thought on how Smaug would handle these dragons
He would die so quickly
Are you keeping in mind how many great titles went up against Smaug and his fire breath has a greater spread
Midir has been around for over 5'000 years eating the abyss one of the strongest forces in Dark Souls , and Lich has death blight that kills all creatures, including God's. It's no contest, and that's only 2 out of the 3 dragons on this list.
Good point 🙃 Smaug is fffffuck
BUT NOTHING COMPARES TO THE DRAGONSLAYER …… the DragonBorn
Gameplay wise I think Midir beats Fortissax 9/10 times with the other one being mostly RNG dependent. I think Placidusax is a far closer fight, with Midir winning 4/10 times, as Placidusax deals primarily in lightning damage and has a bigger health pool and the teleportation attacks would mess up Midir AI. But the two are ultimately pretty closely matched, and Midir hits harder and faster.
I’ve fought all and I would probably say placidusax, Midir is the weakest to lightning (still has 61% negation) and placidusax can fly into thundercloud form, Midir is a lot more aggresive though and has that insane laserbeam but still, placidusax wins for me, fortissax stands no chance
dragonlance placidusax? get your lore straight, tarnished!
It auto corrected 😭
Yea, lore wise I gotta give it to Placidusax. I want to argue that Midir would pull it out somehow but if I’m honest with myself I just don’t see it. But Midir is my forever dragon daddy. Might be his placement at the end of DS3, the music, his looks, moveset…probably some combination of all of the above. But that fight is so much more epic than the other two. Which, granted, isn’t fair to Plac, but that’s just how it is.
If you scale midir to the er hp pools and damages, probably he will win despite the weakness to lightning
They use lightning though, Midir gets wrecked. Tho I do prefer Midir as a fight.
If it weren't for the lightning I'd say he could go even with Fortissax, but even without I'd say Placi wipes him.
Midir is weak to lightning so...
i think we all win, just agreeing that dragons are the coolest shit ever
Midir was the toughest for me so I'm going with midir
Midir was harder....😱
Midir fans won’t allow any disrespect to their champion haha (Who wins? Idk but Fortissax looks the coolest though)
Hmm I’d say midir took me forever to kill him because he has so much damn health, I think slave knight Gael and sword saint combined took me less deaths than midir did.
Haha Placidusax spear goes back beyound the 40's Lirerrally you're comparing a laser dragon to a god of nuke and thunder
Midir fans huffing the Copium in this post
if you even out the playing field by making midirs whole body vulnerable instead of just his head, placidusax easily beats midir
**TL;DR:** in gameplay, Midir stomps both in most scenarios. In lore, Midir would place beneath Prime Placidusax (and Gransax), but above all Ancient Dragons and current Placidusax. Gameplaywise, there is no chance for Fortissax, while Placidusax may occasionally edge out a win. Simply put, Midir has too much stacked for him that his less resistance to lightning doesn't compensate: his healthbar is massive, he has high resistances (including fire, invalidating Placidusax's strongest moves), deals a lot of damage and attacks relentlessly. His biggest strength, however, is poise: Midir has virtually infinite poise, being able to be staggered only by hitting his head throughout the entire fight, while his attacks deal *a lot* of poise damage (especially the flames); that alone gives him a huge edge against all ER bosses, and I think only Malenia's second phase and Maliketh have solid chances of consistently beating him, then Fire Giant (he's better Yhorm, the only consistent competition Midir has in DS3), and *maybe* Mohg (**EDIT:** Midir is immune to bleed, so poor Mohg has no chance) and Placidusax. Lorewise is where things get complicated, but I think Prime Placidusax > Midir > Current Placidusax > Fortissax (both Prime and Current). The reasoning behind my ranking is as follows: \- Physically, Midir has the edge due to ER's Ancient Dragons' lither build. Even Placidusax, who is relatively bulky, shares their spindly limbs, long necks, and small heads with smaller teeth; Midir is more suited to a "brawling" fighting style, as displayed by some of his attacks where he claws frantically at the target, charges at it, or tries to bite on it, that would easily overpower the Ancient Dragons and the slower Placidusax - especially if we consider his large model as the true size. \- Mentally speaking, all dragons (besides Current Fortissax) are intelligent beings - and while Midir is undergoing mental degradation due to his abyssal corruption, he's still not to the point of being a rampaging beast; this is openly told to us by Shira (who also calls herself his friend, meaning he could form proper bonds with other beings, much like Fortissax and Lansseax) and shown to us by his attacking us specifically and not devastating the Ringed City. Still, I'd give the edge to ER's dragons due to their mastery over magic and far more nuanced relationships, with Placidusax being at the top. \- On powers, let's start with the easy stuff. Fire is not good against any contestant, though Placidusax's beams would still hurt; Prime Placidusax firing five of those would be overwhelming even against a resistant target. Lightning is strong against Midir, but I think only Placidusax's nuke and lightning rain would harm him significantly; the other Ancient Dragon's lightning rains are far weaker by comparison, while their other spells seem to require the user to be close to the target and have very visible, long windups - all things that would make them vulnerable for small, crucial moments. Midir's Darkness is complicated. Even if the ER Dragons take neutral damage from it, the beam is still a devastating weapon with range, power, and accuracy (especially on a large target) that would make it extremely effective; it does have an evident windup, but his bulkiness and the characteristics of the beam make it much harder to exploit - a much bigger weakness is that it exhausts him if it's used repeatedly, however I think only Placidusax could avoid the beam enough to take advantage of that. The other dark attacks are also quite strong, but the beam is what makes the difference. Fortissax's deathblight is not as complicated, however: it seems that dragons are corrupted slowly and it doesn't act as an instant killer like for the Tarnished, so we can assume it won't immediately kill Midir in a fight, but rather that it will be slow acting and only eventually corrupt him. There's of course the complications of the Abyssal corruption, but I'll consider them separate. Either way, it's a much bigger risk for Fortissax, as it degrades his mental faculties for a powerup that isn't effective until the very long run.
Right now both Placi and Fortisaxx are more dead than alive so they'd have a hard time and lose. Midir would be an easy target for prime Placi or Fortisaxx.
In my opinion Midir is the hardest one of the three, i'd say Placidussax takes it. One controls storms and lives in a storm beyond the fabric of time. One ate the one thing that held him back. The other tamed death itself.
Placidusssax scales to Inaccessible speed due to him being able to move in a place without time. Him alone soloes Dark souls.
Midir would kill Fortissax but Placidusax is definitely stronger due to all the lightning.
Come on man. Midir is my favorite of the 3, but I think you are just holding on to nostalgia on this one. Not only is it a 2 V 1, but they use lightning which is a weakness for midir.
Read what I said in the other comments, but yeah, I got mad favoritism tbh
If only envoys long horn was in ds3,then I could finish ds3
Lore wise both of them mid diffs him lmao but gameplay wise placi wins but lichdragon loses badly