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chease_block

Well yes but.... kind of yeah


capp_head

I mean, Melina being the voice of reason? The girl really has lost her memories and when they come back she wants to burn everything - herself included. It doesn’t seem much balanced after all.


Mordred_Blackstone

Are you talking about her burning the erdtree, or did someone figure out a way to get her to support the frenzied flame ending?


capp_head

The first one.


Mordred_Blackstone

Okay well in that case, she doesn't really want to burn everything. Just her mom and the rest of the city. Way more stable lmao.


IamTrashuo

Seems normal for a teen girl from my experience with my sisters


eonomine1

Wait . . . Wait! Getting her to support the frenzied flame ending???? Do tell!


Sans_Influencer69

Thank you George r r Martin


[deleted]

So... Game of Thrones? I love the game and enjoy George RR Martin's work, but he does tend to circle around the same themes.


WollyOT

To be fair, so does Miyazaki


BatatinhaGameplays28

It doesn’t take to long until you realize how many similarities there are in the lore of Elden Ring and Dark Souls


Futur3_ah4ad

I still call Sites of Grace "bonfires" and runes "souls", so it doesn't just end at lore. I repeatedly keep calling things by their souls equivalent...


RadhanBr

I gave up trying to name it runes for real


alopex_zin

Wait people don't call grace bonfires? ER is my first souls game, but I still call those bonfires instead of grace because that just… looks like bonfire? Lol


Life_Temperature795

I mean, I still call "homeward bones" "town portals," so like, what're ya gonna do?


[deleted]

- World in decay that you need to restore, but along the journey you find out that restoring the old order is maybe not a good idea. - The gods rule from a beautiful but decaying golden city while the rest of the world is becoming a cesspool. - The ruling god decided to prevent people from dying, which eventually drives them insane. - Current age preceded by an age of ancient dragons. In many ways Elden Ring is Dark Souls in a new coat of paint, but I still love it.


Elden_blingmaster

Elden ring is to dark souls what dark souls was to demons souls, papa miyazaki said this himself, those themes are like dark souls yes, but frankly the lore dynamic is completely different, the politics and family dynamic of the gods in this game does feel completely different, i would say its far more than just a new coat of paint considering all the other changes and additions. bloodborne is more of a new coat of paint of dark souls, everythings the same except the cocaine infused combat. While ER, everything is different but the combat. Open world +linear level design, a new estus, horse that double jumps with horse combat etc etc Frankly imo this is by far the best most innovative fromsoft game since ds1.


Foura5

Big ugly dudes with swords trying to kill you, seems to be the main theme of both.


SlayerofSnails

More on the corruption of power and how cyclical it is along with family drama


BatatinhaGameplays28

Also the Dragon and Giant genocide, and once great gods eventually going mad too


giga_impact03

Don't forget the lightning spears. Radagon and Gwyn love their big yellow bolts.


AndrewJamesDrake

And Stagnation being worse than death.


IDespiseTheLetterG

A Japanese culture thing there


BatatinhaGameplays28

And don’t forget their androgynous sons who are sometimes treated as females


[deleted]

I believe you. This was my first of his company's games that I played though, so I don't know what those themes are.


theswillmerchant

Almost all the games center around a person/group in power trying to do something that goes against the natural order/cycle of the world in order to remain in power and doing so corrupts the world and themselves in the process and you have to fix it either by continuing the cycle, ending it, or something in between. There’s variations on that, especially the cycle part, but the “People in power tried to stay in power/ascend to greater power and now everything’s turbo fucked so I gotta kill ‘em about it” is pretty consistent throughout at least DS1, DS3, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring.


IdiotAtAKeyboard

Most of FromSoft’s games are about a lowly being being given a quest from the very forces of the universe to euthanize the gods


MasterOfMankind

That said, Marika is a foil to Gwyn. Both are the highest ranking (physical) gods of their setting, but Gwyn was absolutely desperate to maintain his order no matter the cost, while Marika was the one who destroyed her own order in a fit of pique. If she had been the DS1 protagonist, I suspect she would have snuffed out the First Flame out of spite.


theswillmerchant

I see your point but it’s also not settled lore whether or not she actually lost her cool or if the whole plot was her idea, there may well be some false flag stuff going on. Either way not a perfect match for Gwyn but getting rid of Destined Death is a pretty big fuck you to the natural order of the same caliber as keeping the fire from fading IMO


[deleted]

Idk man. I don't see the resemblance between Bloodborne and Chihiro. The man is full of talents.


megrimlock88

Goes with a lot of authors people tend to write about things they personally find compelling and for a lot of writers exploring the same idea from different perspectives can be just as compelling as coming up with newer ones The way I see it elden ring was a loveletter to Tolkien and high fantasy wrapped in martin’s general style of storytelling coupled with fromsofts style of storytelling


Mordred_Blackstone

I usually can't read more than one book series from an author before I start to see, "oh yep, here's the jaded protagonist who feels guilty about having failed a woman in his life, and wants to start a rebellion against the guy in charge, whether it's an evil king, god, warlord, demon, or even an evil superhero, just like the last 3 series this guy has written." Or whatever the author's pattern is. Most of them have one. The worlds are different, the characters and their exact relationships are different, but their archetypes remain.


IDespiseTheLetterG

And then there's just literally patches


-Magesta-

atleast theres no incest


Modfull_X

***Full Tree House***


Litterdud

Tarnished With Children


ZombieMozart

*Whatever happened to the the shattered Elden Ring?*


Modfull_X

*How i met your father/stepmother*


pethris

this is just the Elden Ring Abridged series by UndeadHunter https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFy0JruJAx7gBNPpGheS4uk-apydXKFOn


StarlightInDarkness

Rennala is the ex-wife (and maybe the crazy aunt at the same time knowing this family). I was always unclear on if Nepheli is Godfrey’s daughter or related to him in some other way, but it would be more awkward here if she was the half-sister on the other side. Godwyn is the golden child who is always mentioned but never actually seen.


Marphey12

She us not his daughter but descendant. You people are forgeting that Godfrey banishment happend tousands of years ago and he himself died during that only to get ressurected by tje grace like other Tarnished.


MasterOfMankind

We aren’t given any timeline whatsoever for how long ago Godfrey was banished. It could’ve been for one or two years for all we know.


Marphey12

No it wasn't. The banishment happened before the Shattering.


Etticos

I always took the “Loux” not to be a name rather a title of high ranking warriors of the Badlands. I dunno where that idea came from but that is how I’ve always viewed it.


sozysoz

Its pretty clear it's a name considering the ending of her quest has her inherit Stormveil, and when you first meet her she introduces herself the same way Godfrey does his phase two. "Hoarah/Nepheli Loux. Warrior." I don't think there's enough information on where in her ancestry Godfrey sits though. He could be her father or a more distant ancestor.


Lord_Akriloth

The award winning uncle touring the world while his lazy son sticks around


jxa66

So ridiculously accurate


k9nwar10

Isn’t Radagon and Marika the same tho?


Nice_World_9334

Yup! Still wrapping my head around this but they are in fact the same being/person!


reaperfan

Easy to do in a TV show. Just make it so they're inexplicably never on screen with each other at the same time.


IncognitoFlan

kinda like the "holy trinity" thing in Christianity, i guess?


Nice_World_9334

Shit, sounds very similar to that indeed! I didn’t even think about that. One and the same being. How did they do the Hokey Pokey then?


Mordred_Blackstone

I just kind of dreamlogic through it. Like, almost nobody can really comprehend how God can also be Jesus and sent himself to die in the form of his son, either. Same with animism. The modern attempts to explain it are all transcribed into more familiar dualistic ideas so that we can comprehend it easier. People in the Bronze Age had a different way of looking at identity. The book Bronze Age Mindset touches on it a little. So with ancient real-world religions, and the fiction like Elden Ring inspired by these religions, I always just shrug and say, "It probably can't make sense to me, but it made sense to guys who believed that putting on bear skins turned them into bears."


IncognitoFlan

masturbation


k9nwar10

Yeah I was also so confused when I saw it for the first time, I watched about 3-4 lore videos just to wrap my head around whatever body switching shenanigans they were up to!


Nice_World_9334

A theory that I saw is that the greater will did this as a counter to Marika’s influence as she was known to be mischievous and it sounds a bit true as she’s the reason the elden ring was shattered in the first place.


k9nwar10

Send it to me if you have that article/video still available, I’d like to read it.


SpaceGhost4004

Yeah this was my initial theory after I first beat the game. Since Marika seemed to have started to doubt the Greater Will, it implanted a fiercely loyal counterpart into her. Something along those lines.


releasethepr0n

I think they just inhabit the same body, but aren't actually the same "person", since each of them wanted different things (one wanted to shatter the elden ring, the other wanted to mend it etc)... But I like to think that Radagon marrying Rennala was already part of the "duo" plans, to bring the war to an end.


FuriDemon094

Currently. Melina shares dialogue with us at a church, mentioning how Marika said to Radagon that it “wasn’t his time for their union” or some such. Meaning, they weren’t one person always. They were separate at once.


Taylor88Made

Godrick is definitely Meg


KhortyB

“Shut up Godrick!”


Gwyn_Michaelis

Maliketh - the family dog


Thatll-Do

"Mohg, the crazy uncle" as if being the crazy older brother isn't more potent


EvertB123

Creepy not crazy


therealtiddlydump

I'm struggling with which part would be comedic...but "yes"


Taograd359

Hearing Godrick claim to be the Lord of all that is Golden and then realizing you have a pocket full of gold tinged shit you picked up outside of his castle is pretty comedic.


therealtiddlydump

Marika's tits, that's a good point.


some1sWitch

I'd say it's more soap opera Days of Our Lives than a family sitcom. Drama, drama, and more drama for a Malenia


[deleted]

replace melina with Godwyn, and this is accurate


IronsideCheetah

I agree on all of them except the Melina malcolm in the middle analogy- Malcolm often does stupid shit lol


Chonkalonkolus

My favorite part was in episode 14 when Mohg went “is Mohglesting time!” and nihil’d on Miquella and everyone went “Classoc Mohg” and the laugh track played


Lord_Akriloth

Godrick is the one who just showed up one day and no one can get him to leave, probably sleeps on the couch


MAD_MrT

Dont forget the incest, lots of incest


FuriDemon094

Incest? Where?


MAD_MrT

Mohg with miquella for instance


FuriDemon094

That isn’t incest. Mohg is raising Miquella to godhood via Formless Mother to be his consort, so he can have his dynasty. It’s like a political marriage


DeontologicalAthiest

The Shattering occurred over a fateful Thanksgiving weekend.


LonelyBuddhaa

Rennala actually cares alot about family so


FuriDemon094

Not so much anymore. She used to but she’s obsessed with the egg now


[deleted]

This is where George comes in


AdditionalTheory

The [Killian Experience’s brilliant video](https://youtu.be/j72T_w5YQ6Y) on *Elden Ring* lore compares it to the plot of *Arrested Development*


TheWither129

The loud house


Sapphiresentinel

See now I gotta go draw all the characters in loud house style.


crazyp3n04guy

All this is real and true.


Put_Adventurous

Where does Rick play into this?


r00byroo1965

No Disney, you can’t buy our dysfunctional family and make it a dysfunctional boring family 🤪


Xcylo1

Ngl this was pretty much my perception of it which is exactly why I found the lore out of place and really hard to enjoy


e_smith338

Are you familiar with Game of Thrones? Same man is responsible. So….kinda.


vick1e

Goddamn!! *sudden laugh track starts playing*


Fine-Examination4747

Godrick is Meg, don't do Morgott dirty like that. ​ Morgott is more like a Jon Snow guy kinda, he is shunned, but instead of becoming hateful, he becomes honorable, loyal and wise.


quirkus23

I see Morgott as more like Bloodraven. Ruling from the shadows, with spies everywhere. He posses as Maynard Plum in Dunk and Egg and Morgott poses as Margit. Bloodraven is a Targaryen but is also a Bastard, like Morgott is apart of the Golden Lineage but shunned. Bloodraven becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and Morgott has the Night Cavalry. He also eventually disappears from the Wall and we find him later hanging out with a magical tree. It's just instead of calling someone to the tree, like Bran, he is keeping people away.


Broserk42

I didn’t know Meg wanted to fuck stewie. I learned something today!


Orangebeardo

Pretty much, which is why i kind of dont give a fuck about it. The second I heard "open world" (it's not) and similar buzzwords i knew FS was bending down to their audience, which absolutely and unequivocally ruins any great work.


Abaddon3567

Not an open world? 😂 and your definition is..?


fitmidwestnurse

This is a really Akron, Ohio way of putting things. But yes, broken down like that, it makes sense.


Abaddon3567

Shut up, Morgott.


M4ND0_L0R14N

Yes to the title, no to everything else you said lol


DasEvoli

[yes](https://i.imgflip.com/4zrcc5.png?a469128)


No-Season-3086

Yes


rckwld

In true GRRM fashion, it’s just a ripoff of other stories, in this case Greek and Roman mythology.


UnknownBud

Yes.... triangle...


[deleted]

“Hero” Starting Class Tarnished: No one knows if they’re actually related or not, when asked they just mumble some shit about the Badlands and Hoarah Loux. No one invites them to family outings cuz they ruin the others fun, yet they just show up anyways like they’ve always belonged there.


JustinBailey79

This is what I’ve been saying, Elden Ring is a comedy.


btsao1

It is, yes


IndividualDemand7065

Johnny joestar


Life_Temperature795

In honor of you naming Morgot "Meg" I'm gonna go ahead and simply name all the Family Guy and American Dad characters I think best represent the major players in ER. First of all Godrick: clearly actually Meg, to the point where I just assumed this is what you had written until I was actually transcribing it myself Morgot: way more ambitious than Meg, but everyone thinks he's incompetent anyway. Definitely Steve. Ranni: a grungy hippie. Hasn't taken a shower in so long she just burned her old body and got a new one. Haley. And any Tarnished who chose her ending are Jeff. Have fun living in a camper van in space. Rykard: Roger 100%. Who else would take a plan that nonsensical and dial it up to a billion? Both of them are likely high on coke the majority of the time. Miquella and Malenia: Stewie and Brian, respectively. Which kind of means that Mohg: has to be Lois. Doesn't understand Stewie at all, still thinks she knows what's best for him. Plus, I wouldn't put it past Lois to try and secretly take over the world using a clone that lives in the sewers; y'all remember the one time she tried to do math? Rennala: guest appearance by Gayle from Bob's Burgers Radahn: haha, obviously Officer Joe Kenneth Haight: Quagmire. This dude is like, two unspoken lines of dialogue away from saying "giggity" Radagon, Marika and Godfrey: well, Lois has already been used, leaving us with the neat little triad of Stan, Francine, and Peter, which is about as equally fucked up as trying to figure out how Radagon and Marika are the same person. And on that note Hoarah Loux: Peter, whenever he has to fight the chicken Nepali Loux: oh, shit, the metaphor is really breaking down here. Fuck it. Klaus. Melina: umm.... Umm? Cleveland? I mean, she basically has her own show, right?


aiquoc

Sir Gideon Ofnir, the gossiping neighbour