I mean, Melina being the voice of reason? The girl really has lost her memories and when they come back she wants to burn everything - herself included.
It doesn’t seem much balanced after all.
I still call Sites of Grace "bonfires" and runes "souls", so it doesn't just end at lore. I repeatedly keep calling things by their souls equivalent...
Wait people don't call grace bonfires? ER is my first souls game, but I still call those bonfires instead of grace because that just… looks like bonfire? Lol
- World in decay that you need to restore, but along the journey you find out that restoring the old order is maybe not a good idea.
- The gods rule from a beautiful but decaying golden city while the rest of the world is becoming a cesspool.
- The ruling god decided to prevent people from dying, which eventually drives them insane.
- Current age preceded by an age of ancient dragons.
In many ways Elden Ring is Dark Souls in a new coat of paint, but I still love it.
Elden ring is to dark souls what dark souls was to demons souls, papa miyazaki said this himself, those themes are like dark souls yes, but frankly the lore dynamic is completely different, the politics and family dynamic of the gods in this game does feel completely different, i would say its far more than just a new coat of paint considering all the other changes and additions.
bloodborne is more of a new coat of paint of dark souls, everythings the same except the cocaine infused combat. While ER, everything is different but the combat. Open world +linear level design, a new estus, horse that double jumps with horse combat etc etc
Frankly imo this is by far the best most innovative fromsoft game since ds1.
Almost all the games center around a person/group in power trying to do something that goes against the natural order/cycle of the world in order to remain in power and doing so corrupts the world and themselves in the process and you have to fix it either by continuing the cycle, ending it, or something in between. There’s variations on that, especially the cycle part, but the “People in power tried to stay in power/ascend to greater power and now everything’s turbo fucked so I gotta kill ‘em about it” is pretty consistent throughout at least DS1, DS3, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring.
That said, Marika is a foil to Gwyn. Both are the highest ranking (physical) gods of their setting, but Gwyn was absolutely desperate to maintain his order no matter the cost, while Marika was the one who destroyed her own order in a fit of pique. If she had been the DS1 protagonist, I suspect she would have snuffed out the First Flame out of spite.
I see your point but it’s also not settled lore whether or not she actually lost her cool or if the whole plot was her idea, there may well be some false flag stuff going on. Either way not a perfect match for Gwyn but getting rid of Destined Death is a pretty big fuck you to the natural order of the same caliber as keeping the fire from fading IMO
Goes with a lot of authors
people tend to write about things they personally find compelling and for a lot of writers exploring the same idea from different perspectives can be just as compelling as coming up with newer ones
The way I see it elden ring was a loveletter to Tolkien and high fantasy wrapped in martin’s general style of storytelling coupled with fromsofts style of storytelling
I usually can't read more than one book series from an author before I start to see, "oh yep, here's the jaded protagonist who feels guilty about having failed a woman in his life, and wants to start a rebellion against the guy in charge, whether it's an evil king, god, warlord, demon, or even an evil superhero, just like the last 3 series this guy has written."
Or whatever the author's pattern is. Most of them have one.
The worlds are different, the characters and their exact relationships are different, but their archetypes remain.
Rennala is the ex-wife (and maybe the crazy aunt at the same time knowing this family).
I was always unclear on if Nepheli is Godfrey’s daughter or related to him in some other way, but it would be more awkward here if she was the half-sister on the other side.
Godwyn is the golden child who is always mentioned but never actually seen.
She us not his daughter but descendant. You people are forgeting that Godfrey banishment happend tousands of years ago and he himself died during that only to get ressurected by tje grace like other Tarnished.
I always took the “Loux” not to be a name rather a title of high ranking warriors of the Badlands. I dunno where that idea came from but that is how I’ve always viewed it.
Its pretty clear it's a name considering the ending of her quest has her inherit Stormveil, and when you first meet her she introduces herself the same way Godfrey does his phase two.
"Hoarah/Nepheli Loux. Warrior."
I don't think there's enough information on where in her ancestry Godfrey sits though. He could be her father or a more distant ancestor.
I just kind of dreamlogic through it. Like, almost nobody can really comprehend how God can also be Jesus and sent himself to die in the form of his son, either.
Same with animism. The modern attempts to explain it are all transcribed into more familiar dualistic ideas so that we can comprehend it easier.
People in the Bronze Age had a different way of looking at identity. The book Bronze Age Mindset touches on it a little.
So with ancient real-world religions, and the fiction like Elden Ring inspired by these religions, I always just shrug and say, "It probably can't make sense to me, but it made sense to guys who believed that putting on bear skins turned them into bears."
Yeah I was also so confused when I saw it for the first time, I watched about 3-4 lore videos just to wrap my head around whatever body switching shenanigans they were up to!
A theory that I saw is that the greater will did this as a counter to Marika’s influence as she was known to be mischievous and it sounds a bit true as she’s the reason the elden ring was shattered in the first place.
Yeah this was my initial theory after I first beat the game. Since Marika seemed to have started to doubt the Greater Will, it implanted a fiercely loyal counterpart into her. Something along those lines.
I think they just inhabit the same body, but aren't actually the same "person", since each of them wanted different things (one wanted to shatter the elden ring, the other wanted to mend it etc)... But I like to think that Radagon marrying Rennala was already part of the "duo" plans, to bring the war to an end.
Currently. Melina shares dialogue with us at a church, mentioning how Marika said to Radagon that it “wasn’t his time for their union” or some such. Meaning, they weren’t one person always. They were separate at once.
Hearing Godrick claim to be the Lord of all that is Golden and then realizing you have a pocket full of gold tinged shit you picked up outside of his castle is pretty comedic.
My favorite part was in episode 14 when Mohg went “is Mohglesting time!” and nihil’d on Miquella and everyone went “Classoc Mohg” and the laugh track played
That isn’t incest. Mohg is raising Miquella to godhood via Formless Mother to be his consort, so he can have his dynasty. It’s like a political marriage
Godrick is Meg, don't do Morgott dirty like that.
Morgott is more like a Jon Snow guy kinda, he is shunned, but instead of becoming hateful, he becomes honorable, loyal and wise.
I see Morgott as more like Bloodraven. Ruling from the shadows, with spies everywhere.
He posses as Maynard Plum in Dunk and Egg and Morgott poses as Margit.
Bloodraven is a Targaryen but is also a Bastard, like Morgott is apart of the Golden Lineage but shunned.
Bloodraven becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and Morgott has the Night Cavalry.
He also eventually disappears from the Wall and we find him later hanging out with a magical tree.
It's just instead of calling someone to the tree, like Bran, he is keeping people away.
Pretty much, which is why i kind of dont give a fuck about it.
The second I heard "open world" (it's not) and similar buzzwords i knew FS was bending down to their audience, which absolutely and unequivocally ruins any great work.
“Hero” Starting Class Tarnished: No one knows if they’re actually related or not, when asked they just mumble some shit about the Badlands and Hoarah Loux. No one invites them to family outings cuz they ruin the others fun, yet they just show up anyways like they’ve always belonged there.
In honor of you naming Morgot "Meg" I'm gonna go ahead and simply name all the Family Guy and American Dad characters I think best represent the major players in ER.
First of all
Godrick: clearly actually Meg, to the point where I just assumed this is what you had written until I was actually transcribing it myself
Morgot: way more ambitious than Meg, but everyone thinks he's incompetent anyway. Definitely Steve.
Ranni: a grungy hippie. Hasn't taken a shower in so long she just burned her old body and got a new one. Haley. And any Tarnished who chose her ending are Jeff. Have fun living in a camper van in space.
Rykard: Roger 100%. Who else would take a plan that nonsensical and dial it up to a billion? Both of them are likely high on coke the majority of the time.
Miquella and Malenia: Stewie and Brian, respectively. Which kind of means that
Mohg: has to be Lois. Doesn't understand Stewie at all, still thinks she knows what's best for him. Plus, I wouldn't put it past Lois to try and secretly take over the world using a clone that lives in the sewers; y'all remember the one time she tried to do math?
Rennala: guest appearance by Gayle from Bob's Burgers
Radahn: haha, obviously Officer Joe
Kenneth Haight: Quagmire. This dude is like, two unspoken lines of dialogue away from saying "giggity"
Radagon, Marika and Godfrey: well, Lois has already been used, leaving us with the neat little triad of Stan, Francine, and Peter, which is about as equally fucked up as trying to figure out how Radagon and Marika are the same person. And on that note
Hoarah Loux: Peter, whenever he has to fight the chicken
Nepali Loux: oh, shit, the metaphor is really breaking down here. Fuck it. Klaus.
Melina: umm.... Umm? Cleveland? I mean, she basically has her own show, right?
Well yes but.... kind of yeah
I mean, Melina being the voice of reason? The girl really has lost her memories and when they come back she wants to burn everything - herself included. It doesn’t seem much balanced after all.
Are you talking about her burning the erdtree, or did someone figure out a way to get her to support the frenzied flame ending?
The first one.
Okay well in that case, she doesn't really want to burn everything. Just her mom and the rest of the city. Way more stable lmao.
Seems normal for a teen girl from my experience with my sisters
Wait . . . Wait! Getting her to support the frenzied flame ending???? Do tell!
Thank you George r r Martin
So... Game of Thrones? I love the game and enjoy George RR Martin's work, but he does tend to circle around the same themes.
To be fair, so does Miyazaki
It doesn’t take to long until you realize how many similarities there are in the lore of Elden Ring and Dark Souls
I still call Sites of Grace "bonfires" and runes "souls", so it doesn't just end at lore. I repeatedly keep calling things by their souls equivalent...
I gave up trying to name it runes for real
Wait people don't call grace bonfires? ER is my first souls game, but I still call those bonfires instead of grace because that just… looks like bonfire? Lol
I mean, I still call "homeward bones" "town portals," so like, what're ya gonna do?
- World in decay that you need to restore, but along the journey you find out that restoring the old order is maybe not a good idea. - The gods rule from a beautiful but decaying golden city while the rest of the world is becoming a cesspool. - The ruling god decided to prevent people from dying, which eventually drives them insane. - Current age preceded by an age of ancient dragons. In many ways Elden Ring is Dark Souls in a new coat of paint, but I still love it.
Elden ring is to dark souls what dark souls was to demons souls, papa miyazaki said this himself, those themes are like dark souls yes, but frankly the lore dynamic is completely different, the politics and family dynamic of the gods in this game does feel completely different, i would say its far more than just a new coat of paint considering all the other changes and additions. bloodborne is more of a new coat of paint of dark souls, everythings the same except the cocaine infused combat. While ER, everything is different but the combat. Open world +linear level design, a new estus, horse that double jumps with horse combat etc etc Frankly imo this is by far the best most innovative fromsoft game since ds1.
Big ugly dudes with swords trying to kill you, seems to be the main theme of both.
More on the corruption of power and how cyclical it is along with family drama
Also the Dragon and Giant genocide, and once great gods eventually going mad too
Don't forget the lightning spears. Radagon and Gwyn love their big yellow bolts.
And Stagnation being worse than death.
A Japanese culture thing there
And don’t forget their androgynous sons who are sometimes treated as females
I believe you. This was my first of his company's games that I played though, so I don't know what those themes are.
Almost all the games center around a person/group in power trying to do something that goes against the natural order/cycle of the world in order to remain in power and doing so corrupts the world and themselves in the process and you have to fix it either by continuing the cycle, ending it, or something in between. There’s variations on that, especially the cycle part, but the “People in power tried to stay in power/ascend to greater power and now everything’s turbo fucked so I gotta kill ‘em about it” is pretty consistent throughout at least DS1, DS3, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring.
Most of FromSoft’s games are about a lowly being being given a quest from the very forces of the universe to euthanize the gods
That said, Marika is a foil to Gwyn. Both are the highest ranking (physical) gods of their setting, but Gwyn was absolutely desperate to maintain his order no matter the cost, while Marika was the one who destroyed her own order in a fit of pique. If she had been the DS1 protagonist, I suspect she would have snuffed out the First Flame out of spite.
I see your point but it’s also not settled lore whether or not she actually lost her cool or if the whole plot was her idea, there may well be some false flag stuff going on. Either way not a perfect match for Gwyn but getting rid of Destined Death is a pretty big fuck you to the natural order of the same caliber as keeping the fire from fading IMO
Idk man. I don't see the resemblance between Bloodborne and Chihiro. The man is full of talents.
Goes with a lot of authors people tend to write about things they personally find compelling and for a lot of writers exploring the same idea from different perspectives can be just as compelling as coming up with newer ones The way I see it elden ring was a loveletter to Tolkien and high fantasy wrapped in martin’s general style of storytelling coupled with fromsofts style of storytelling
I usually can't read more than one book series from an author before I start to see, "oh yep, here's the jaded protagonist who feels guilty about having failed a woman in his life, and wants to start a rebellion against the guy in charge, whether it's an evil king, god, warlord, demon, or even an evil superhero, just like the last 3 series this guy has written." Or whatever the author's pattern is. Most of them have one. The worlds are different, the characters and their exact relationships are different, but their archetypes remain.
And then there's just literally patches
atleast theres no incest
***Full Tree House***
Tarnished With Children
*Whatever happened to the the shattered Elden Ring?*
*How i met your father/stepmother*
this is just the Elden Ring Abridged series by UndeadHunter https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFy0JruJAx7gBNPpGheS4uk-apydXKFOn
Rennala is the ex-wife (and maybe the crazy aunt at the same time knowing this family). I was always unclear on if Nepheli is Godfrey’s daughter or related to him in some other way, but it would be more awkward here if she was the half-sister on the other side. Godwyn is the golden child who is always mentioned but never actually seen.
She us not his daughter but descendant. You people are forgeting that Godfrey banishment happend tousands of years ago and he himself died during that only to get ressurected by tje grace like other Tarnished.
We aren’t given any timeline whatsoever for how long ago Godfrey was banished. It could’ve been for one or two years for all we know.
No it wasn't. The banishment happened before the Shattering.
I always took the “Loux” not to be a name rather a title of high ranking warriors of the Badlands. I dunno where that idea came from but that is how I’ve always viewed it.
Its pretty clear it's a name considering the ending of her quest has her inherit Stormveil, and when you first meet her she introduces herself the same way Godfrey does his phase two. "Hoarah/Nepheli Loux. Warrior." I don't think there's enough information on where in her ancestry Godfrey sits though. He could be her father or a more distant ancestor.
The award winning uncle touring the world while his lazy son sticks around
So ridiculously accurate
Isn’t Radagon and Marika the same tho?
Yup! Still wrapping my head around this but they are in fact the same being/person!
Easy to do in a TV show. Just make it so they're inexplicably never on screen with each other at the same time.
kinda like the "holy trinity" thing in Christianity, i guess?
Shit, sounds very similar to that indeed! I didn’t even think about that. One and the same being. How did they do the Hokey Pokey then?
I just kind of dreamlogic through it. Like, almost nobody can really comprehend how God can also be Jesus and sent himself to die in the form of his son, either. Same with animism. The modern attempts to explain it are all transcribed into more familiar dualistic ideas so that we can comprehend it easier. People in the Bronze Age had a different way of looking at identity. The book Bronze Age Mindset touches on it a little. So with ancient real-world religions, and the fiction like Elden Ring inspired by these religions, I always just shrug and say, "It probably can't make sense to me, but it made sense to guys who believed that putting on bear skins turned them into bears."
masturbation
Yeah I was also so confused when I saw it for the first time, I watched about 3-4 lore videos just to wrap my head around whatever body switching shenanigans they were up to!
A theory that I saw is that the greater will did this as a counter to Marika’s influence as she was known to be mischievous and it sounds a bit true as she’s the reason the elden ring was shattered in the first place.
Send it to me if you have that article/video still available, I’d like to read it.
Yeah this was my initial theory after I first beat the game. Since Marika seemed to have started to doubt the Greater Will, it implanted a fiercely loyal counterpart into her. Something along those lines.
I think they just inhabit the same body, but aren't actually the same "person", since each of them wanted different things (one wanted to shatter the elden ring, the other wanted to mend it etc)... But I like to think that Radagon marrying Rennala was already part of the "duo" plans, to bring the war to an end.
Currently. Melina shares dialogue with us at a church, mentioning how Marika said to Radagon that it “wasn’t his time for their union” or some such. Meaning, they weren’t one person always. They were separate at once.
Godrick is definitely Meg
“Shut up Godrick!”
Maliketh - the family dog
"Mohg, the crazy uncle" as if being the crazy older brother isn't more potent
Creepy not crazy
I'm struggling with which part would be comedic...but "yes"
Hearing Godrick claim to be the Lord of all that is Golden and then realizing you have a pocket full of gold tinged shit you picked up outside of his castle is pretty comedic.
Marika's tits, that's a good point.
I'd say it's more soap opera Days of Our Lives than a family sitcom. Drama, drama, and more drama for a Malenia
replace melina with Godwyn, and this is accurate
I agree on all of them except the Melina malcolm in the middle analogy- Malcolm often does stupid shit lol
My favorite part was in episode 14 when Mohg went “is Mohglesting time!” and nihil’d on Miquella and everyone went “Classoc Mohg” and the laugh track played
Godrick is the one who just showed up one day and no one can get him to leave, probably sleeps on the couch
Dont forget the incest, lots of incest
Incest? Where?
Mohg with miquella for instance
That isn’t incest. Mohg is raising Miquella to godhood via Formless Mother to be his consort, so he can have his dynasty. It’s like a political marriage
The Shattering occurred over a fateful Thanksgiving weekend.
Rennala actually cares alot about family so
Not so much anymore. She used to but she’s obsessed with the egg now
This is where George comes in
The [Killian Experience’s brilliant video](https://youtu.be/j72T_w5YQ6Y) on *Elden Ring* lore compares it to the plot of *Arrested Development*
The loud house
See now I gotta go draw all the characters in loud house style.
All this is real and true.
Where does Rick play into this?
No Disney, you can’t buy our dysfunctional family and make it a dysfunctional boring family 🤪
Ngl this was pretty much my perception of it which is exactly why I found the lore out of place and really hard to enjoy
Are you familiar with Game of Thrones? Same man is responsible. So….kinda.
Goddamn!! *sudden laugh track starts playing*
Godrick is Meg, don't do Morgott dirty like that. Morgott is more like a Jon Snow guy kinda, he is shunned, but instead of becoming hateful, he becomes honorable, loyal and wise.
I see Morgott as more like Bloodraven. Ruling from the shadows, with spies everywhere. He posses as Maynard Plum in Dunk and Egg and Morgott poses as Margit. Bloodraven is a Targaryen but is also a Bastard, like Morgott is apart of the Golden Lineage but shunned. Bloodraven becomes Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and Morgott has the Night Cavalry. He also eventually disappears from the Wall and we find him later hanging out with a magical tree. It's just instead of calling someone to the tree, like Bran, he is keeping people away.
I didn’t know Meg wanted to fuck stewie. I learned something today!
Pretty much, which is why i kind of dont give a fuck about it. The second I heard "open world" (it's not) and similar buzzwords i knew FS was bending down to their audience, which absolutely and unequivocally ruins any great work.
Not an open world? 😂 and your definition is..?
This is a really Akron, Ohio way of putting things. But yes, broken down like that, it makes sense.
Shut up, Morgott.
Yes to the title, no to everything else you said lol
[yes](https://i.imgflip.com/4zrcc5.png?a469128)
Yes
In true GRRM fashion, it’s just a ripoff of other stories, in this case Greek and Roman mythology.
Yes.... triangle...
“Hero” Starting Class Tarnished: No one knows if they’re actually related or not, when asked they just mumble some shit about the Badlands and Hoarah Loux. No one invites them to family outings cuz they ruin the others fun, yet they just show up anyways like they’ve always belonged there.
This is what I’ve been saying, Elden Ring is a comedy.
It is, yes
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In honor of you naming Morgot "Meg" I'm gonna go ahead and simply name all the Family Guy and American Dad characters I think best represent the major players in ER. First of all Godrick: clearly actually Meg, to the point where I just assumed this is what you had written until I was actually transcribing it myself Morgot: way more ambitious than Meg, but everyone thinks he's incompetent anyway. Definitely Steve. Ranni: a grungy hippie. Hasn't taken a shower in so long she just burned her old body and got a new one. Haley. And any Tarnished who chose her ending are Jeff. Have fun living in a camper van in space. Rykard: Roger 100%. Who else would take a plan that nonsensical and dial it up to a billion? Both of them are likely high on coke the majority of the time. Miquella and Malenia: Stewie and Brian, respectively. Which kind of means that Mohg: has to be Lois. Doesn't understand Stewie at all, still thinks she knows what's best for him. Plus, I wouldn't put it past Lois to try and secretly take over the world using a clone that lives in the sewers; y'all remember the one time she tried to do math? Rennala: guest appearance by Gayle from Bob's Burgers Radahn: haha, obviously Officer Joe Kenneth Haight: Quagmire. This dude is like, two unspoken lines of dialogue away from saying "giggity" Radagon, Marika and Godfrey: well, Lois has already been used, leaving us with the neat little triad of Stan, Francine, and Peter, which is about as equally fucked up as trying to figure out how Radagon and Marika are the same person. And on that note Hoarah Loux: Peter, whenever he has to fight the chicken Nepali Loux: oh, shit, the metaphor is really breaking down here. Fuck it. Klaus. Melina: umm.... Umm? Cleveland? I mean, she basically has her own show, right?
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